Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 5:21 PM:
The bad news is that former representative and Governor John Kasich is the one candidate appearing in either debate last night, that has a clear-cut chance to win the 2016 Presidential election. The good news is that the republicans/conservatives will never nominate someone with that much sense.
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The conservatives on here will support Trump when all is said and done. They will not support a black man for sure and a woman is definitely out. So saddle up they will be riding with Trump into the pit of he**.
-- Posted by left turn on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 7:04 PM
Curious no Dem on here has vowed support for anyone running on their side.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 7:57 PM
In the Fox debate I thought I saw a bit of cat fight mentality in the questions.
The CNN debate questions were obviously designed to try to get a republican to say something stupid or make a sound bite for a DNC ad. I thought they all did well.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 8:03 PM
Theorist, At my age I try not to do much leaning.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 8:05 PM
Curious that none, not one, wants to avow support.
-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 7:25 PM
Two days ago I stated my position to Common.
But if you want to know I will restate it.
Trump is not my choice, but lf it comes down to Hilary Clinton and Trump hide and watch me support Trump. You may add to that as well your Communist Candidate, whatever his name is. Is there a chance the Democrats will put up a real candidate?
At the moment, I like Carley Fiorina, Carson and Cruz and not settled on the order.
Now Theorist since I have been open, how about your choice... are you going to be equally as open regarding your choice.
Just got off the road and can still hear the hum of tires.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 8:08 PM
-- Posted by left turn on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 7:04 PM
Lefty, you don't know your arse from 3rd base.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 8:11 PM
Curious no Dem on here has vowed support for anyone running on their side.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 7:57 PM
Old John
They don't have a real candidate yet.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 8:13 PM
that has a clear-cut chance to win the 2016 Presidential election. Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 5:21 PM:
More advice from a leftist Obama worshipper. Your party has lost record - RECORD - house and senate seats and control. Why would any conservative listen to your "advice"?
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 8:19 PM
Well how about your choice, do they have a name? Don't cop out now. You asked you got names, we would like one as well.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 8:39 PM
My choice has not joined the race yet... -- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 8:34 PM
I told you once Theorist, Obama can't run a third time. You're going to have to pick someone else.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 8:40 PM
My choice from when he declared is Jim Webb.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 8:44 PM
My choice is ABC---Anyone But Clinton
I heard a fella on the Smerconish XM call in saying he would support Trump just because Hildabeast is such a dirty lowdown guttersnipe that the Donald was the one who could get in there with her. I like Dr Carson but pity a nice man like him when the Hildabeast sics the dogs on him. She's had one Black man ruin her crowning and be darned if she will let another one do it.
-- Posted by rocknroll on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 8:47 PM
Wasn't Webb Obama's first choice for Vice President?
Sounds like common wants more of the same.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 9:28 PM
It sounds to me like Theorist wants a Webb from Missouri and Common is looking at one from Virginia???
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 9:56 PM
I have to laugh out loud. It sure don't take much to get the old man stirred up. He is just a joy to poke.
-- Posted by left turn on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 9:56 PM
-- Posted by left turn on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 9:56 PM
I have a low tolerance for ignorance and stupidity Lefty. You rate high on both counts.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 10:04 PM
Every time I see someone here post "I'm an independent" I hear that other teacher from the Peanuts cartoons.
-- Posted by rocknroll on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 10:23 PM
Ben Carson always comes across as level-headed, capable, and intelligent. I don't agree with him on everything, but I think he would be a good president.
Carly Fiorina entered the debates well-prepared, smooth, and knowledgable. Those are the makings of a fine executive. She would do well. I do not know enough about her positions on major issues to declare my support as of yet, but I do not discount her.
I viewed Donald Trump as a horse's backside going into the debate. After the debate, I think that was a grave injustice to horses.
I like Scott Walker, and think he handles himself well.
Jeb Bush looks very weak, which is bad given that he bases his foreign policy on a projection of strength.
No one else on the stage has either gained nor lost my favour thus far.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 11:37 PM
Mr. Walker's own state retained him, despite a desperate push from the unions to topple him. He is talking policy, and proposing economic reforms, without getting too bogged down in the tit-for-tat squabbles the press likes to cover.
"Carly is female, and as strong as she is...likely won't pass the good ol boys scrutiny..."
Funny that I hear that only from the Left. The "good ol boys" haven't weighed in on the topic, as far as I have seen.
I suspect that Dr. Carson can handle the rigors of office as well as anyone currently in the running. He will be lambasted for his religious views, but he seems to be prepared to deal with that. He has made a few statements which trouble me, with regards to individual rights, but overall he scores high points compared to most of the opposition.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 7:20 AM
-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 5:44 PM
As will the liberals who will back whomever is the democrat nominee. What's your point?
-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 7:20 AM
The conservatives on here will support Trump when all is said and done. They will not support a black man for sure and a woman is definitely out. So saddle up they will be riding with Trump into the pit of he**.
-- Posted by left turn on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 7:04 PM
Why wouldn't they support a black or a woman? You make no sense.
-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 7:22 AM
Curious that none, not one, wants to avow support.
-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 7:25 PM
Vow support for what?
-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 7:22 AM
Meanwhile, on the Democrat side, Bernie Sanders continues to appeal to economic illiterates. Thanks to our woeful education system, that might be sufficient to put him over the top. The Wall Street Journal has put a price tag of $18 trillion on the give-aways he has proposed so far. He proposes protectionism, bemoaning the fact that the Chinese are making the bobbleheads and trinkets for sale in Washington D.C. He apparently wants to put America's youth to work at $15 per hour hour, and up, making them. He also bemoans the fact that we have so many choices of underarm deodorant, somehow connecting that to children's hunger.
Hillary may be the first preident elected while in jServing time in jail. Her mismanagement of secret information ought to be sufficient to disqualify her, but she's still the front-runner, apparently. The question the press never asks is how a couple wwho have spent their entire life in "public service" have amassed a net worth of $80 million. It is a question the people ought to be asking.
Joe Biden is reportedly 100% in. Presumably, the powers-that-be realize Hillary is imploding. Mr. Biden ought to provide some comic relief for the otherwise dull primaries.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 7:35 AM
The press likes Trump, because he is drowning out the candidates who are actually talking policy and issues. I think he is a plant.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 7:37 AM
He was born in Missouri, Wheels....you don't vet your candidates very well do you?
Theorist
The man is not yet a candidate and I have not vetted him at all.
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Mr. Webb, from Missouri...but I think he may be too conservative for me. Good background though...
-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 8:47 PM
Mr Webb is not a politician from Missouri, he is a long time politician from elsewhere. Kind of like you saying you support the President from Kenya wouldn't you think?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 8:13 AM
Theorist
I am much more interested in history than I am in politics. History in fact guides many of my political views.
Back to the naming of St Louis.... on a recent visit with the St Louis Archdiocese official historian, I confirmed with him the facts on the naming of St Louis.
Something of course that you could never bring yourself to admit you were mistaken about.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 8:39 AM
Theorist
Speaking of history..... do you know anything about the Harmonists, the group that founded New Harmony, Indiana? Or the Amana Colonies and their historic attempts at Socialism? Social manipulation and experimentation that did not work. Just visited New Harmony.
Having visited both of these Socialistic failures and seeing the results guides my views on the current socialistic experiment you are so deeply committed to.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 8:50 AM
-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 8:45 AM
Theorist
The small Catholic village was named St Louis, after the Patron Saint of the current King of France. Working from memory I believe Louis IX was the Cannonized Saint and Louis XV was the current King of France. I would have to verify their number.
So far as biased, the Archdiocese has the backup documentation, some of which I have seen and photographed.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:02 AM
You call free libraries a failure?? If you are truly interested in history, you know there were all sorts of factors contributing to the success and problems of this town.
-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 8:57 AM
Theorist
I never said everything they did was a failure.
Their social experiment in manipulation of people's lifestyle was a failure. You cannot deny that.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:08 AM
He was born in Missouri, he is "from" Missouri (at least originally!)-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 8:29 AM
Theorist: Same as: Pres. Pinky was born in Kenya, he is "from" Kenya (at least originally1).
Theorist, you give the real Independents a bad name.
I don't really care who St. Louis is named after, probably after "Louis" Armstrong.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:24 AM
Posted by ▪Rick on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:16 AM
Rick: ☺☺☺
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:30 AM
-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 11:17 AM
Nothing but weak deflections Theorist. This is what you do when you have no substance to talk on important issues.
Deflection.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 11:25 AM
- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 11:17 AM
Theorist
What are you talking about. There never was a question on the name.... it was and is, who it was named after.
Not going to allow that diversion to stand.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 12:23 PM
Rick: The Independent Leftist Liberals (ILL) will not comment on abortion because they know down deep that they are wrong.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 1:19 PM
"...will not comment on abortion ..."
I'm guessing you are a male so I would not expect you to have to make an abortion decision.
In this case, I agree with conservatives when they say government should stay out peoples business.
And that's exactly what should happen. The decision on whether or not to terminate an unwanted pregnancy is up to the woman, the male involved, her doctor, and any religious advise she may want. In all instances, the woman retains 51% of the vote.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 4:09 PM
I agree with conservatives when they say government should stay out peoples business.-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 4:09 PM
You don't believe that. So a murderer should be left alone because, after all, arresting him is getting into his "business"? I could see that you would believe that considering that liberals like yourself believe Michael Brown was a little school boy just out having fun.
No one believes the government should stay out of everything - further proof that you're clueless of which you speak.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 4:15 PM
"The man is not yet a candidate and I have not vetted him at all."
I wouldn't expect you to, but I can help.
July, 2015
Jim Webb '16
Dear Friends:
"After many months of thought, deliberation and discussion, I have decided to seek the office of the Presidency of the United States.
"I understand the odds, particularly in today's political climate where fair debate is so often drowned out by huge sums of money. I know that more than one candidate in this process intends to raise at least a billion dollars -- some estimates run as high as two billion dollars -- in direct and indirect financial support. Highly paid political consultants are working to shape the "messaging" of every major candidate.
"But our country needs a fresh approach to solving the problems that confront us and too often unnecessarily divide us. We need to shake the hold of these shadow elites on our political process. Our elected officials need to get back to the basics of good governance and to remember that their principal obligations are to protect our national interests abroad and to ensure a level playing field here at home, especially for those who otherwise have no voice in the corridors of power. And at the same time our fellow Americans need proven, experienced leadership that can be trusted to move us forward from a new President's first days in office.
"I believe I can offer both.
"We all want the American dream -- unending opportunity at the top if you put things together and you make it, absolute fairness along the way, and a safety net underneath you if you fall on hard times or suffer disability or as you reach your retirement years. That's the American Trifecta -- opportunity, fairness, and security. It's why people from all over the world do whatever they can to come here. And it's why the rest of us love this country and our way of life.
"More than anything else, Americans want their leaders to preserve that dream, for all of us and not for just a few."
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 4:22 PM
"You don't believe that."
Your statement is a complete lie.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 4:25 PM
Common
I don't follow and dwell on the life of liberal politicians.
You do need to tell Theorist though, she is waiting for him to announce so she can support him.
When did he announce... yesterday, last week or this morning?
Kind of appears to be a non event if it happened much more than 24 hours ago.
And of course if he is not nominated you will vote for whomever is.... even if it is the Communist running as a Democrat.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 4:39 PM
Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 4:09 PM
Common: You approve in the killing of 52 million babies then. Heck of a price for free love with no responsibility.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 4:47 PM
"To heck you say...obviously it was named St. Louis. What on earth are you talking about...."
Below is what I was talking about. It appears you were implying that someone was saying the town was not named St Louis. I certainly am not aware of anyone arguing that.
*************
You are avoiding the issue of our entire disagreement.
No one has said that the town wasn't named St. Louis.
-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 11:17 AM
**************
I have always contended it was named after the man and his deeds, not just because he was canonized.
-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 4:45 PM
The town was named for the Patron Saint of the then current King. Had he not been Cannonized he could not have been the Patron Saint of the current King.
So far as his accomplishments to be Cannonized.... that had been established a few hundred years earlier. You are clearly mistaken, short of any documentation contrary to that which I furnished you a year or more ago.
You sure dredging that up on this thread was the smartest thing you did today.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 6:21 PM
You sure dredging that up on this thread was the smartest thing you did today?
Was meant to be a question.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 6:32 PM
From Common's new buddy: " And at the same time our fellow Americans need proven, experienced leadership that can be trusted to move us forward from a new President's first days in office."
There's that code word again, "forward".
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 6:46 PM
"She became a saint in her own mind and was convinced whatever she espoused was true beyond question," said Old John, observer of speak out opinions.
:)
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 8:36 PM
"She became a saint in her own mind and was convinced whatever she espoused was true beyond question," said Old John, observer of speak out opinions.
:)
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 8:37 PM
Oops, Twice said unintentionally.
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 8:38 PM
There is more than one "Saint" Louis...
I think (and who really knows), you believe it the town was named St. Louis because he was a Saint. I believe the town was named after Louis (who is/was also canonized a Saint) because of the deeds and life he led.
"Saints often become the patrons of places where they were born or had been active. However, there were cases in Medieval Europe where a city which grew to prominence and transferred to its cathedral the remains or some relics of a famous saint who had lived and was buried elsewhere, and made him or her the city's patron saint"....in this case, neither is true.
-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 7:49 PM
Theorist
Obfuscate all you want. The fact remains you state that you "think" you know the reason. That does not make what you "think" a fact
I do not "think" I know, and I know because I read the carefully researched documentation stating the founders reason for the naming.
Yes places were named for Kings, Saints and whatever in Europe, none of which had anything to do with a village in the wilderness of a territory which was assumed to be a territory of France at the time. And I say assumed because the territory in question changed hands between France and Spain and the inhabitants as I have read it were not always sure who was in charge.
Google, Copy and Paste all you want. I am sitting within 10 feet of one book containing documentation on the naming of St Louis.
Sometime Theorist, when you have nothing else to do Google Rev Henry Van der Sanden. You will accuse me of self promotion but he was my Great Great Grand Uncle, which I can prove if necessary. When he died there were metal boxes stored in his room at Alexian Brothers Hospital where he spent his last years. They contained documents he had gathered and saved for writing the History of the St Louis Archdiocese which he did not live long enough to do. Rothensteiner later wrote the history giving Van der Sanden credit for his contributions.
I am through discussing something with a person who would argue with a stump and with no more proof than "I think".
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:12 PM
"You don't believe that." Your statement is a complete lie. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 4:25 PM
Wow - your morals drop even lower. So you do believe that prosecuting a murderer is wrong - because you believe that the government shouldn't interfere?
You're a sick man. Or are you lying again?
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:27 PM
Ste. Genevieve, which was settled before St. Louis, is named for Ste. Genevieve, the Patron Saint of Paris.
St. Charles was named for San Carlos Borromeo, and is the third oldest city in Missouri. It was originally named Les Petites Cotes (The Little Hills".
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:32 PM
This old saying might fit in here concerning St. Louis:
"If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman to hear, is he still wrong?"
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:48 PM
"...Americans need proven, experienced leadership ..."
And there is no way we'll get it from any of the republican/conservative candidates.
Kasich is the closest. Trump and Cruz are the most distant and are basically rabble rousers.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:50 PM
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:32 PM
Yes and every year we celebrate with The Festival of The Little Hills during August.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:52 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:50 PM
Why do we need leadership.... we have managed without it for 6 1/2 years now?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:56 PM
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 9:32 PM
SH
I cannot stand it, I have to ask.... do you know that, or do you just "think" that ;-)
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 10:01 PM
You people worship Sen McCain who TOLD the lady President Obama was NOT a muslim but a good man and a Christian,,,,are you calling your Senator a liar???
Kasich and Jeb worked for Lehman Brothers who tanked a few years ago and cost investors and tax payers billions, how soon we forget.
-- Posted by Dexterite1 on Sat, Sep 19, 2015, at 7:30 AM
-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Sep 19, 2015, at 8:17 AM
No, the question is do you have any proof or do you just "think" you know what you are talking about.
Out for the day to a reunion in SEMO.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sat, Sep 19, 2015, at 8:25 AM
Posted by Dexterite1 on Sat, Sep 19, 2015, at 7:30 AM
Dexter: John was just trying to be PC in his comments....we all know that Pres. Pinky is a closet Muslim born in Kenya. Have you seen him and his family going to church on Sunday....no, only when he has to be PC does he ever mention the Bible.
Dexter: You people worship the Devil of Abortions.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Sep 19, 2015, at 8:38 AM
Wheels: Have fun....if there are any chicken & dumplings, I could be a distant cousin.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Sep 19, 2015, at 8:59 AM
I know that is who those cities were named for. The French, it seems, have a penchant for naming cities and islands after Saints. Except, apparently, St. Louis, which was named after a king who was "later" canonized. The only problem with that theory is the "later" happened a few hundred years before the naming...
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sat, Sep 19, 2015, at 9:49 PM
St. Louis was named after who the people with boots on the ground at the time of the naming said it was named after.
Not what some Johnny/Jenny Come Lately coming along a few hundred years later "Thinks" it was named after Theorist.
Give it a rest, your theory is wrong. What you "think" you know, without evidence, is totally irrelevant.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 8:37 AM
Theorist
Using your deductive reasoning, why don't you just take it all the way back and say it was named after Adam?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 9:22 AM
Theorist: Your theory doesn't hold water. Actually, St. Louis was named after East St. Louis which was named after Louis Farrakhan.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 9:23 AM
Theorist
I am going to tell you one more time, St Louis was named after the Patron Saint of the current King at the time. Use your "deductive reasoning" on that for a while and try to figure out if old Louie XV chose a man or a long since declared Saint for his Patron Saint.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 9:33 AM
Note to self:
Now it is becoming clear to me. History Revision is accomplished using "deductive reasoning" and "proof theorems". Truth be damned.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 9:40 AM
Theorist put your deductive reasoning to work on this. Why do you think this village of Catholic settlers decided to call their village St Louis instead of "Louis the Ninth", or maybe just plain "Louis", or perhaps "Louie"?
You head has got to be thicker than a freshly quarried block of granite.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 9:56 AM
You miss the point, or you are stretching out of shape to avoid your error. I enetered this discussion, long ago, because I pointwd out the religious origins of many American cities, which is evidenced by their being given names reflective thereof. I included St. Louis in the mix, which was named after St. Louis. You responded that it was named after the King of France.
It is also evidenced by the fact that Second Street was originally called Rue d'Eglise (Church Street).
Obviously, it was named after St. Louis, which is why it is called St. Louis. But you cannot pull yourself to admit that.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 11:05 AM
It's evident that, as a "teacher", Theorist is used to having 100% command of what is "right" and what is "wrong" dealing with kids.
That model of power and control - unfortunately for Theorist - doesn't work out in the adult world. It's tough for her outside the classroom where her opinion is not the final answer and not the gospel.
Much tougher for her to deal with adults.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 11:15 AM
-- Posted by Dug on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 11:15 AM
From some real life experience knowing teachers, I have seen a tendency to operate and act at the level at which they are teaching. What level would you place a couple of our teachers? :-)
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 12:53 PM
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 12:53 PM
I'm thinking somewhere around the 6th grade at best. And, unfortunately, I think Common was her brightest student. And then he dropped out after 6th grade because he - like her - thought he know it all.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 1:22 PM
Theorist;
You apparently fail to grasp that Saints become Saints because of their deeds on Earth, not because of heavenly deeds attributed to them after death. Ergo, when we honour a Saint by naming something in their honour, we are recognizing them for the deeds they did while alive. How it is that you think that makes St. Louis unique is beyond me.
While it may also be true that such naming is thought to bring intercession upon the place by the Saint after whom it is named, it is generally recognized that the life they lived bestows upon them the favour to be able to intercede. Ergo, it is the same thing.
You have, for a very long time now, danced around the fact that St. Louis is, in fact, named after a Saint when the very Catholic City of St. Louis was founded. Your original statement, that it was named for the King of France, remains wrong, as ST? LOUIS WAS NOT THE king of France, but rather its Patron Saint, at the time of the city's founding.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 2:33 PM
"I think (and who really knows), you believe it the town was named St. Louis because he was a Saint."
Actually, you continually mischaracterize the original argument. To the best of my knowlegde, no one ever said the city was named for him because he was canonized. We said the city was named after a Saint, and you disputed that, and have convoluted the argument in order to continue disputing it.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 2:38 PM
Auguste Choteau, in his narrative on the founding of the city of St. Louis, says the city was named for the Patron Saint of France's King Louis XV.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 2:50 PM
I believe the town was named St. Louis! :) I believe it was named after a person who was later canonized because of the life and deed he did here on earth.
Theorist,
One of two things, you are trying to confuse the issue to keep from admitting you are wrong or you have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about. I am not going to get into dates from memory, but Louis IX was Cannonized more than 200 years before St. Louis was founded. It is unlikely these people had much of an idea what Louis IX did in his lifetime. What they did know is he was the Patron Saint of the current King, Louis XV.
You really should stop and think about all of the daancing around the issue you have done. Shapley has been consistent and I have been consistent on what we have posted. It is you who keeps dodging the facts.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 8:35 PM
Theorist,
It's that pigeon on the chess board thing. You want to turn over the pieces and then declare you won.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 8:40 PM
"I believe the town was named St. Louis! :) I believe it was named after a person who was later canonized because of the life and deed he did here on earth."
You keep saying "later canonized", as though the canonization happened after the naming. The error of this has been pointed out before, but you keep doing it, so I assume it is intentional.
Since Auguste Choteau's is the only eye-witness account we have of the founding of the city, I would say it is rather definitive. If he says it was named St. Louis because Saint Louis was the Patron Saint of the then-current king, I am more inclined to take his word than yours.
The question is, will you admit you were wrong. You frequently accuse me of not being willing to do so, even though I have many times. Let us see if you will step up to the plate.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sun, Sep 20, 2015, at 9:12 PM
I expected no less. Auguste Choteau says it was named for St. Louis because he was the Patron Saint of the then-current King. But you cannot pull yourself to admit it.
Have a good day.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 6:05 AM
"Wow, and I thought you understood Canonization. He lived (a good life, apparently), he died, he LATER was canonized."
Theorist
A very simple couple of questions.
What year was King Louis IX Cannonized and thereafter looked upon as a Saint by Catholics?
What year was St Louis founded and by whom?
It was clearly named for a Saint and not a man. The Saint is recognized to be of a Heavenly Kingdom..... not an Earthly Kingdom by Christianity as I know it. Louis IX'S Earthly Kingdom was centuries in the past when St Louis was founded.
For all of your chest beating it is becoming clear that you are a secular socialist who wants to deny history as it happened and was recorded by the people who lived it.
That is your free choice and if trying to rewrite history to justify your own philosophy is the only leg you have to stand on..... have at it. But there is quicksand under where you are standing.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 7:33 AM
Theorist
As a PS: Your attempt to bring feminism into the argument is weak.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 7:36 AM
because other men (no women)elected to do so. -- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 6:29 AMj
Another very weak deflection.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 7:37 AM
You cannot pull yourself to admit he is only called a Saint, because other men (no women)elected to do so.-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 6:29 AM
Theorist: There are plenty of female saints - just Google it. Also, don't talk about things that you don't know anything about. Saints are not "elected" it's only Saint Pres. Pinky who was elected.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 8:02 AM
"I believe it was named after a person who was later canonized because of the life and deed he did here on earth."
And there you do it again! No. That is wrong. The city was named after a person who had been previously canonized.
He lived his life and was later canonized. That is true, but that is not what you've said.
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"You cannot pull yourself to admit he is only called a Saint, because other men (no women)elected to do so.-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 6:29 AM"
No, I can't "pull myself to admit that" because that is not true. He is not "called a Saint", Canonization is the recognition that he _is_ a Saint, having lived a saintly life while on Earth.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 8:26 AM
"I believe the town was named St. Louis!"
"The town was named for a man, who the Church decided to say was a Saint."
"No one has said that the town wasn't named St. Louis."
"Was St. Louis named after Louis IX because he was canonized?"
I have yet to see where you have stated that the city was named _after_ St. Louis. You have said it was named after Louis IX. You have said it was named after a man who was "later canonized", but I cannot find where you have admitted it was named _after_ St. Louis. Ergo, you are owed no apology. Even in your several posts after mine, you continue to say the city was "named St. Louis", rather than saying it was named after St. Louis.
I am inclined, from reading your posts, that you do not believe St. Louis to be a Saint, and that is the reason for your failure to make the admission. Whether you believe him a Saint or not, it is evident that Pierre Laclede and King Louis XV believed him to be so, and that is why the city was named after him as such, rather than being called Louisville or Kingston or some such.
You are free to hold your own view on whether or not he is a Saint, but attempting to project the view with regard to the naming of the city is historically deceitful.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 8:58 AM
SH
Are you a wagering man? I am willing to bet you $20 Theorist will not admit she is wrong on this issue. How about it? :-)
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 9:35 AM
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ÁÙ on Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 9:35 AM --
I suspect I have a greater chance of winning the lottery - despite not having bought a ticket.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 9:38 AM
Dang, and I thought I could turn my $20 into $40.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 9:47 AM
A couple of thoughts on this and I have better things to do for awhile.
This whole thing about the naming of St Louis has turned to the ridiculous.
I do not have time to look up exact dates. But the facts are Louis IX was a King and reportedly a very good man.Not all that long after his death, with France being basically a Catholic country, the Catholic Church qualifies Louis IX, a Catholic, as a Saint. Ratchet forward a couple hundred years we find Louis XV to be King of France. Louis XV also being a Catholic chooses now Saint Louis to be his Patron Saint.
France has their finger in the New World and has large holdings west of the Mississippi River. Along come Auguste Chouteau and decides on a location for a new Catholic Village. He names it St. Louis after the Patron Saint of the current King Louis XV.
This is documented to be so by the boots on the ground at the time. There should be no argument about it.
You do not have to believe in God, Saints or anything of the kind to recognize this. The Catholics who founded the town believed it and that is all that is important in the naming at that time. It was within their rights to name it whatever struck their fancy.... they founded it. If they were dead wrong in their beliefs, that is still what happened and no amount of dancing around will change it.
One thing Theorist said was correct. There were no women making the final decision on if or not Louis IX would be forever after referred to as Saint Louis by the Catholic Church.
Sure as hell am not getting involved in the argument if women should be Pope or not. Only got a few more weeks to go to be married 58 years and I might not make it if I voiced an opinion on that.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 10:35 AM
It seems that Joe Biden has jumped to second place in the most recent polls, passing (just barely, and within the margin of error) Bernie Sanders as those who "lean Democratic" as their second choice, behind Hillary, whose polling numbers continue to drop.
Hillary polls as the choice of 33% of Democratic voters, Biden at 25%, and Sanders at 24%.
This means that 49% of Democratic voters are choosing the old white guys as their favoured candidate.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Sep 23, 2015, at 10:41 AM
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Sep 23, 2015, at 10:41 AM
You're right Shapley. And this whole time, I thought they hated the rich, old, white guy establishment. Couldn't be more hypocrisy could it?...:)
-- Posted by BonScott on Wed, Sep 23, 2015, at 11:11 AM
Ol' Gropin' Joe might be surging in the polls because he's gaining the Dirty Old Man vote. The DOM's haven't had a candidate who shared their views since Bill Clinton. Gropin' Joe would appear to be hands on, err..., hands down their type of guy:
In the modern parlance, these kind of things are known as "microagressions" unless, of course, the microaggresor is a Democrat. Imagine if he were, say, a college football coach.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Sep 23, 2015, at 11:58 AM
I didn't suggest it. Based on the current atmosphere regarding "unwanted touching", the evidence suggests Mr. Biden is a "groper". Given that you were ready to pillory Mr. Paterno for less (he was never accused of actually touching anyone, but merely of not reporting it to your satisfaction when it was reported to him), I find your double standard questionable.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Sep 23, 2015, at 3:35 PM
So using common's math, how many are opposed to Joe, Bernie and Hillary?
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Sep 23, 2015, at 6:26 PM
Making things up, insinuating others...-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Sep 23, 2015, at 9:26 PM
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Do you have no conscience or shame when you say things like that? When you know better? Here's video PROOF of the groping and even Jon Stewart - an "independent" like you (sarcasm) - is creeped out by it. Several video clips here of Uncle Joe "groping". The fact that you support this guy speaks volumes of your values.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, Sep 23, 2015, at 9:38 PM
Uncle Joe, Hillary the email queen, or Bernie the Socialist....not much to choose from on the Democratic side.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Sep 23, 2015, at 9:41 PM
-- Posted by semo471 on Wed, Sep 23, 2015, at 9:41 PM
You're right semo. But as you say, the blood sucking freeloaders love them.
-- Posted by BonScott on Wed, Sep 23, 2015, at 10:59 PM
"You must really be threatened by Biden's possible candidacy."
You seem to think debate on the character of a candidate is a response to "feeling threatened". Methinks, rather, you ate threatened by information, since you do not Seem to want your positions challenged by honest debate.
I am not threatened by his possible candidacY. I think the nation is threatened by his possible election, but that is why we have primaries and caucuses, to weed out the ill-equipped. Unfortunately, the Democrats have such a poor field that weeding out the ill-equipped would leave it empty, so we are most likely going to have a crook or a fool running on that ticket, regardless.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Thu, Sep 24, 2015, at 7:57 AM
-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Sep 24, 2015, at 8:29 AM
You still need to prove Joe Paterno committed a crime....You hypocrite and sorry excuse for an "independent".
-- Posted by BonScott on Thu, Sep 24, 2015, at 8:36 AM
"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened."
"Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me."
"Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number-one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs."
"Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the executive branch. He works in the executive branch. ... And the primary role of the vice president of the United States of America is to support the president of the United States of America, give that president his or her best judgment when sought, and as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit. ... The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress."
All from Joe Biden
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Thu, Sep 24, 2015, at 8:48 AM
Posted by BonScott on Thu, Sep 24, 2015, at 8:36 AM
Bon: That's an Independent Liberal Democrat you are speaking of.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Sep 24, 2015, at 9:15 AM
-- Posted by semo471 on Thu, Sep 24, 2015, at 9:15 AM
My mistake...😄
-- Posted by BonScott on Thu, Sep 24, 2015, at 9:20 AM
Posted by ▪Rick on Thu, Sep 24, 2015, at 2:13 PM
Rick: Have you heard or read anywhere about folks enrolled in Pinkycare not being able to pay their deductibles? Is there another stick it to the tax payers program in the works to pay those that can't pay their deductibles.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Sep 24, 2015, at 6:10 PM
obamacare was never intended to lowere costs on anything. It was designed and passed to put billions of dollars into the pockets of the health insurance industry. Politicians must pay their debts to their handlers in order to remain in power and collect seven figure salaries from Wall Street and Corporate America after leaving office.
-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Sep 25, 2015, at 7:04 PM
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The bad news is that former representative and Governor John Kasich is the one candidate appearing in either debate last night, that has a clear-cut chance to win the 2016 Presidential election. The good news is that the republicans/conservatives will never nominate someone with that much sense.
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