Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 12:25 PM:
I have been keeping up with the unrest in Venezuela. This is what fundamentally changing a country does. This is the avenue we are taking with wealth redistribution.
The government says the protesters are from rich families and are spoiled kids. This is what happens when the Marxists take power.
I'm glad our politicians don't take care of rich families.
-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 12:44 PM
Try looking up the complete story here...
Prominent Opposition Leader in Venezuela Is Blamed for Unrest
By WILLIAM NEUMAN FEB. 13, 2014
"CARACAS, Venezuela -- Top government officials on Thursday blamed a prominent opposition leader for unrest that resulted in three deaths, amid growing tension over antigovernment protests.
"A local newspaper, El Universal, posted on its website a photograph of what it said was an arrest order issued by a judge for the opposition leader, Leopoldo L--pez, a Harvard-educated former mayor of a wealthy section of Caracas. It said he was accused of murder and terrorism, among other charges. Aides to Mr. L--pez said they were trying to confirm the report.
"The violence came after thousands of government opponents on Wednesday took part in the largest protest march since the days immediately after the narrow election victory in April of President Nicolás Maduro. Mr. L--pez, who spoke at the protest, has been active in organizing similar, though smaller, rallies throughout the country in recent weeks."
"The recent marches have been fueled by growing discontent over issues like rampant violent crime, high inflation and shortages of basic goods, as well as the growing frustration of opponents of the government over being excluded from any form of power-sharing or role in setting policy."
"This is what fundamentally changing a country does."
What "fundamentally changing" do you think is planned here?
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 7:07 PM
Common, The government down there is only trying to provide for the general welfare of the county and these crazy people are in the way of income equality. It's time the rich and educated be punished. Sounds like the new president is a community organizer that knows how to make things right for the good of the country.
Good to know you are still one the side of justice and free speech.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 8:53 PM
I was not asking about Venezela....
What "fundamentally changing" do you think is planned here?
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 9:20 PM
I was not asking about Venezela....
What "fundamentally changing" do you think is planned here?
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 9:20 PM
I'm confused again. Is "here" Venezuela or somewhere else?
We know what Mr Obama means when he says fundamental changes, what does this newly and fairly elected gentleman and common mean?
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 9:44 PM
That's it. What do you think Presiedent Obama means?
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 9:57 PM
That's it I guess, How does what Obama means have to do with anything.
You saw a particular phrase attributed to Obama and jumped in without thinking to defend him.
Nothing to do with the subject of this thread.
Check out the Cuban response and get back to us.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 11:01 PM
"Nothing to do with the subject of this thread."
Here's the thread title.
"Venezuela unrest. Why don't we hear more about it? Liberal media?"
The third post linked a media article on that subject, which effectively answered the title questions.
Then the issue of fundamental change was introduced. Not being overly concerned with the change in Venezuela, I simply asked what people thought was the "fundamental change" proposed by President Obama.
So I'm asking you OJ, or any others, what do you think the President is proposing as "fundamental change?"
I already an aware of what some conservative extremists think, and clearly if you don't want to or can't answer that question, that's also OK.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 6:45 AM
OK, a more "powerful" federal government to push his "ideologies."
Actually the federal government is smaller now that it has been in years, when the president took office there were 2774 employees in the executive branch, and in 2012 there were 2697.
My question remains, what is the "fundemental change" in "ideologies?"
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 3:06 PM
Neither am I. The question is what fundamental change do you think the President is after?
My opinion is that he wants the Congress to be more concerned with what good for American that they are with what's good for political parties.
I think he wants to reform the tax code to close loopholes and equalize tax rates.
I think he wants to revise the revenue and expenditures flows from Social Security and medicare to make them self-sustainable.
I think he want to reduce discretionary spending to reduce the deficit.
I think he wants to get people off of welfare and back wto work.
Now which of those things should he not support or try to accomplish?
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 4:22 PM
I think he want to reduce discretionary spending to reduce the deficit.I think he wants to get people off of welfare and back wto work.-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 4:22 PM
More garbage rhetoric. A) he has more than doubled the US debt. Period. B) He has allowed the largest expansion of welfare in US history.
Now go into personal attacks and spin this off. It's so predictable.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 4:58 PM
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 5:38 PM
I think Obama supports the president of Venezuela.
I think common is starting to believe his own make believe.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 5:55 PM
"I think Obama supports the president of Venezuela."
You're welcome to think that,but why would you?
"I think common is starting to believe his own make believe."
What's "make believe?"
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 7:16 PM
Common, For one thing, make believe is that this thread was about Obama and that you needed to trip over your whatever to defend him.
The events of Venezuela are typical of what happens when the people allow the government to decide the limits of tyranny.
Now if you want to bring Obama into the discussion you could begin with acknowledging the acceleration and expansion of government powers over the people [started by Bush and others]under Obama's watch.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 7:36 PM
CT
To the majority of U.S. voters, words speak louder than actions. Promises hold more value to them than results. A politician with his/her heart in the right place holds more sway than a politician's ability to deliver.
-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 8:49 PM
Nil, While all this happens, the Afghanistan guy is releasing Taliban prisoners and cutting a deal with the terrorists.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Feb 18, 2014, at 10:35 PM
Venezuela's currency is not worth much and China and the big oil companies are demanding oil for payment. The country has a lot of oil to be had but the gift of nearly free gasoline to appease the citizenry has turned into a right or entitlement to such a degree the country imports refined fuel.
The cost of imports due to the exchange rate has snowballed inflation bringing hardship upon consumers and like most tyrants that are held in power by paying off those that can keep them in power, his knee jerk reaction is to blame the manufacturers and merchants.
He may not have the wealth to spread around to stay in much longer.
Spoiled?, maybe he was just a little bit right on that.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 8:59 PM
Remember Obama saying all of America's problems were caused by the rich, greedy, and racist corporations? If people would pay attention they would see what that causes.
When Chavez started created his socialist rules things got better short term but then went downhill. The main problem is business investors saw the writing of the wall and wisely sought other places to put their money.
The same is happening here.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 9:34 PM
The oil companies are not interested in plowing money into refineries and heavy crude unless they can get a guarantee of product.
I wonder how much and what was traded for the free heating oil in the New England voting districts.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 9:56 PM
The last thing you want to do is invest in a company were you can be thrown out and leave your investment behind also.
It reminds me of when the liberals said they thought the oil companies should be nationalized so the government could use the money for social welfare.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 11:16 PM
OJ
I had forgotten about Chavez wanting to win the hearts of the Northwest liberals.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 11:18 PM
"...saying all of America's problems were caused by the rich, greedy, and racist corporations?"
"....said they thought the oil companies should be nationalized..."
Other than in the imaginations of some, when were thesethings actually said? I'm hoping that you have a better source than "well, everybody knows..."
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 6:43 AM
"I'm hoping that you have a better source than "well, everybody knows..."
You were just asked that on another thread.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 7:42 AM
Here ya go Common. From one of your socialist buddies.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 7:46 AM
Ms. Mic
You need to scroll up and reed a few posts. You must have missed the part were I said: "It reminds me of when the liberals said they thought the oil companies should be nationalized so the government could use the money for social welfare."
BTW since I left this off.
"If we choose to keep those tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires, if we keep the tax break for corporate jet owners, if we choose to keep tax breaks for oil and gas companies that are making hundreds of billions of dollars, then that means we've got to cut some kids off from getting a college scholarship. That means we have to stop funding certain grants for medical research. That means that food safety may be compromised. That means that Medicare has to bear a greater part of the burden. These are the choices we have to make... "
Typical liberal green eyed envy.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 8:03 AM
BTW LOL YSFB.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 8:04 AM
Hmmmmm.
Appears to me the Mouth of the South just stuck her foot in it.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 8:23 AM
Maybe Wheels isn't a 16 year-old girl from Florida after all, but a 12 year old boy.
-- Posted by miccheck on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 8:38 AM
No maybe baby, facts will prove you wrong again!
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 8:57 AM
Wheels, You still wearing that old Scottish tam?
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 9:10 AM
I have every reason to believe you're the bitter old man you claim to be.
-- Posted by miccheck on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 8:59 AM
I don't believe I ever claimed or said I was a bitter old man. Maybe you should find that statement, retract it, or live with the lie you just told.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 9:16 AM
Wheels, You still wearing that old Scottish tam?
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 9:10 AM
No.... but I definitely could use one with no more hair than I have left and as cold as it was this winter.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 9:20 AM
Actions speak louder than words, my friend. You claim to be a bitter old man by the way you act...
-- Posted by miccheck on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 9:22 AM
As Ronald Reagan would say.... there you go again. I wasn't aware that we ever became friends.
And I have been told by, I can't possibly remember how many leftists, how it is wrong to judge people.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 9:30 AM
I have no problem judging people based on their speech and actions. -- Posted by miccheck on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 9:32 AM
There is one exclusion to that personal rule: Obama
When he is quoted and takes action we constantly get deflection from his die hard supporters that he really didn't mean what he said... or the data really doesn't mean what it says... or fill_in_the_blank defense.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 9:34 AM
Dug,
From what I am reading, I believe it would be fair to say that T&T is 'Selectively Judgmental'.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 9:47 AM
T&T,
Do you know what "Selective" means?
When one reads your posts it is easy to see you definitely judge by group. In the case of SO, it boils down to Liberal or Conservative.
But you just have a ball making these selective judgements. They mean little.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 10:07 AM
So am I a bitter old man?
Because if that means I worked hard for what I have and would like for my retirement money to take care of myself and wife and keep me off the government dole, I say yes.
If it means I want this country to cut the credit cards as I did, I say yes.
If it means I don't want my grandchildren paying for the deadbeats of today, I say yes.
If it means there's a chance my grandchildren get to live as good of a life as I, I say yes.
I have no problem helping the people that really need help. But when abled bodied men and women set on their duff while I have pitched hay and dug mud out of ditches for next to nothing I feel like I am being taken advantage of.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 10:21 AM
I have no problem helping the people that really need help. But when abled bodied men and women set on their duff while I have pitched hay and dug mud out of ditches for next to nothing I feel like I am being taken advantage of.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 10:21 AM
Amen.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 11:32 AM
By the way: Could you go one day without calling me names?
-- Posted by miccheck on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 10:18 AM
I call it as I see it.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 11:34 AM
That says a lot about who you are...
-- Posted by miccheck on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 11:36 AM
When you learn to give a straight answer and quit trying to twist and turn everything someone else says, you may earn respect on here. But you have no right to just expect it.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 11:45 AM
Does T&T bother you that much. It's not a dirty name. What was it you called me when you declared yourself "Superior" some months back.... "Intellectually Deficit" I believe it was.
You are correct, I have no respect to give you.
Now this game of Cat and Mouse is over for awhile, I have better things to do this afternoon. So Mouse.... have a nice day, you heah.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 12:09 PM
☺ ☺ ☺ ☺
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 12:20 PM
"A superior pilot uses her superior judgment to avoid situations that require the use of her superior skill" aviation proverb paraphrased by Old John :)
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 12:31 PM
" I have better things to do this afternoon."
I would be fishing at that shores part of Gulf Shores.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 2:27 PM
"Typical liberal green eyed envy."
The quote you gave referred to corporations taking fairly legal advantage of tax loopholes, which do need to be corrected through tax code reform.
Still there's no mention that "...all of America's problems were caused by the rich, greedy, and racist corporations?" Who said that?
As for nationalization of oil companies, look who you quoted, a guy that's still confused as ever about the Kennedy assassination.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 3:13 PM
"Still there's no mention that "...all of America's problems were caused by the rich, greedy, and racist corporations?" Who said that?"
The liberals like yourself.
"As for nationalization of oil companies, look who you quoted, a guy that's still confused as ever about the Kennedy assassination."
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I have been keeping up with the unrest in Venezuela. This is what fundamentally changing a country does. This is the avenue we are taking with wealth redistribution.
The government says the protesters are from rich families and are spoiled kids. This is what happens when the Marxists take power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFS6cP9auDc
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