Speak Out: Did Towh Hall Meetings Kill ObamaCare?

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• Why is it when a person or group speaks up against a democrat or liberal idea they are labeled: "terrorist" (Meg),Astro turf, nazi,Anti-american,etc.

  But when groups like Acron, ACLU, Act-Up, PETA,NAACP, etc. Protest and disrupt meetings, speaches, collage class's they are hearalded as great Americans expressing their first amendment rights.

  Who's right and whos wrong or is it just possible both side are concerned and want a chance to voice their own concerns and opinion?

  -- Posted by Airborne 95B on Tue, Aug 18, 2009, at 7:39 AM

• The difference is that usually the liberal groups understand the issue they are protesting against.

  I'd say about 95% of these town-hall crashers are there protesting things that aren't even in the bills.

  Sure, it's their right to "protest" nothing...they just risk looking like idiots. And have been doing a great job of that so far.

  -- Posted by FriendO on Tue, Aug 18, 2009, at 6:18 PM

• The difference is that usually the liberal groups understand the issue they are protesting against.

  I'd say about 95% of these town-hall crashers are there protesting things that aren't even in the bills.

  Sure, it's their right to "protest" nothing...they just risk looking like idiots. And have been doing a great job of that so far.

  -- Posted by FriendO on Tue, Aug 18, 2009, at 6:18 PM

  Let's see if I understand this.

  Liberals understand the issue they are protesting. I suppose that means 100%.

  But 95% of conservatives do not. That leaves 5%.

  FriendO

  One question... do you really believe that tripe?

  -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Aug 18, 2009, at 6:35 PM

• Oh me liberals understand an issue. Wow since when has that ever been the case. Let us examine the track record just from the latest greatest policy experiments. Bank bailouts. Yes it is true that the republicans authorized the first thirty billion of this debacle. 390 billion dollars later they are reporting that the American people would not be seeing a return on that investment EVER when it comes to Fannie Mae Freddie Mac and Ginnie Mac is coming here in the next 120 days asking for 100 billion more. That issue didn't seem to be understood by the liberals. Let us see omnibus stimulus package of 800 plus billion dollars to ward off depression and keep unemployment from dipping under 8%. Unemployment is at 9.7% nationally and as high as 28% in some states with only 17% of the stimulus money being spent and no money going towards long term revenue returning jobs. The liberals didn't seem to be well informed on that. Where do we go next...oh the economy. Robert Gibbs says there are tale tale signs the recession is ending, but unemployment projections from the department of labor expect it to settle close to 11% by the end of 2009. Hmm guess they weren't well informed on that one there either. Surely thats all. Nope cash for clunkers. Forgot about this little jewel did I. Yes funding to get people into new cars by issuing them credit they didn't have to pay them. Then the bankers issue loans for the rest of the car. Great idea. Now they are having to go back and pass a law so they can authorize two billion more dollars to cover the dealers end. They were real informed on that issue. Too state that liberals are informed on an issue would be like saying President Bush was well informed on WMDs in Iraq. Now after this so glorious track record possessed by the liberals in control they want to take a stab at health care. No don't laugh they seriouslly want to reform health care; no joke. I think everybody is ignorant when it comes to an issue cause all we see is how it will affect us. To say that a liberal understands an issue any clearer is a sophmoric statement as the afore mention laid out facts clearly show. Now I am not doggin liberals because conservatives are clueless too. Hell I am my own idiot but atleast I can admit it. It is a shame that you have to watch four different news networks and read eight papers to get to the truth of any one story.

  -- Posted by howudoin on Tue, Aug 18, 2009, at 8:02 PM

• http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090819/ap_on_re_us/us_health_care_frank

  more right-wing morons protesting things that either they A) know nothing about or B) don't have to do with the argument at hand.

  At least there were no assault rifles present this time?

  Again: doing a fantastic job of looking like idiots.

  -- Posted by FriendO on Wed, Aug 19, 2009, at 10:48 AM

• FriendO

  The question was do you believe that tripe.

  Let me rephrase it... Are you wacko enough to really believe what you are posting?

  -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Aug 19, 2009, at 10:57 AM

• Believe what? That there are actually large portions of the population willing to take time out of their day (or have nothing better to do) than to go protest things that aren't real, or would never happen?

  I have better things to protest. And my liberal friends did too, like when we were *actually* at war, and *actually* torturing people.

  Again, I've never witnessed people protesting things that don't exist; maybe you can help me out? Do you generally go to town halls on health care and spontaneously erupt in the pledge of allegiance, while shouting down US Senators over the President's birth certificate, or confuse Nazis with socialists?

  -- Posted by FriendO on Wed, Aug 19, 2009, at 11:30 AM

• My favorites are the ones who say "government out of healthcare!" followed by "don't touch Medicare!"

  Government benefits me = Good, anyone else = bad.

  -- Posted by FriendO on Wed, Aug 19, 2009, at 11:32 AM

• Did Towh Hall Meetings Kill ObamaCare?

  Not sure what ObamaCare is! ARE YOU? Does anyone here even know what if any bill is on the table?

  Are ya'l so silly to believe these law makers will even attempt to mess with health care knowing 2010 elections are just around the corner!? Wake me up when someone knows what these foolish Demopuplicans end up voting on! What a joke this entire issue has become. At least folks are speaking LOUDLY to these foolish law makers who have forgotten who they work for and where they came from. We need much more vocals and loud ones at that to show these law makers we are tired of their foolishness! Yes indeed, speak loudly and Vote often!

  -- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Aug 19, 2009, at 12:20 PM

• FriendO

  You are a typical liberal, you never answer a question, you dance around it.

  -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Aug 19, 2009, at 12:36 PM

• Again Theorist, this would be the sound of you being ignored.

  By the way, was I speaking to you?

  -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Aug 19, 2009, at 1:25 PM

• I don't think Theorist's motives are "Pure"!

  -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Aug 19, 2009, at 10:20 PM

• The saying is...

  Once I thought I was wrong. But, I was mistaken.

  -- Posted by bebo on Thu, Aug 20, 2009, at 10:12 AM

• Let me get this straight.

  Obama's health care plan will be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it and whose members will be exempt from it, signed by a president who smokes, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that is nearly broke.

  What could possibly go wrong?

  -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Aug 20, 2009, at 11:20 AM

• HWWT,

  Love it, love it , love it.

  -- Posted by Airborne 95B on Thu, Aug 20, 2009, at 11:33 AM

• For Mr. Whiffle, who enjoys his alternate reality:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POC0Ky9y_ik

  Of course, some people are going to actually protest health care. They're just protesting things that aren't facts.

  I can protest that the sun actually revolves around the earth, it doesn't mean i'm smart for doing it.

  And for Mr. Wheels:

  Look up the term "petitio principii" and you'll understand why you'll never get an answer to your "question"

  -- Posted by FriendO on Thu, Aug 20, 2009, at 12:25 PM

• Golly FriendO, wasn't looking for any fifty cent words, when I was just curious if you really believed what you were saying and thought a yes or no answer would work.

  -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Aug 20, 2009, at 12:53 PM

• Airborne ... Have wondered that myself for several years ... Okay for some to protest but not for others. Suspect a lot of it is linked to 'political correctness.' What's wierd is ... for decades it was usually liberals who did most of the marching, shouting, disrupting, etc. ... Guess some conservatives decided being polite and somewhat silent just wasn't having much effect? ~smiling~

  Don't think it was necessarily the town hall meeting protests, as much as realizing that the American citizens are becoming more informed (mainly through the internet) and not as easily hoodwinked as we used to be.

  "... do you really believe that tripe?" SIGH ... sadly, I'm beginning to so, Wheels.

  Very true, howudoin ... "... you have to watch four different news networks and read eight papers to get to the truth of any one story." And read at least half a dozen newspapers. Um ... Tentatively asking if you might consider breaking comments into paragraphs so they're easier for Old Eyes like mine to read?

  I'm sorry, Theorist, but my perception is that FriendO is feeling HIS oats, and darned if it wasn't contagious ...

  Can't help it, Wheels, but still laughing ... "Obama's health care plan will be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it and whose members will be exempt from it, signed by a president who smokes, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that is nearly broke."

  This might be called Blind Trust?

  -- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Aug 20, 2009, at 4:44 PM

• Uh oh ... stick 'think' between the to and the so up there ... ~blush~

  -- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Aug 20, 2009, at 4:51 PM

• Mom,

  "Obama's health care plan will be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,etc.

  Actually copied that from something sent to me by someone who thought he was being funny and I took it seriously. How tragic really.

  -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Aug 20, 2009, at 5:33 PM

• I'd seen it before actually, Wheels ... certainly appropriate to share it with everyone! I'd call it maybe funnily serious?

  It's going to be interesting when we finally get out to your place, James ... to say the least! ~grinning~

  Hopefully we all (including Wheels here) have more in common than just politics to talk about, though ... That way, after we solve all the problems of the country, we'll still be able to converse. ~smiling~

  Just a thought ... back when we were tentatively planning on retiring in Mexico ... we subscribed to 'Americans in Mexico' newsletter. One of the things most retirees living there mentioned that they liked best was that they no longer much cared about worrying over American politics ... and of course didn't get involved in Mexican politics. They more or less saw that as a mental burden out of their lives.

  -- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Aug 20, 2009, at 7:54 PM