Speak Out: Speak Out 11/25/20

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Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 7:07 AM:

Election proof

It seems Trump supporters are quick to claim fraud in the election, but it's time for them to head to court and prove it or stop whining. Facebook, OANN, Twitter, Newsmax and Fox News have never required irrefutable evidence, but courts do. Stop trying your case in the media and head to court if you're really serious about the fraud claims. Claim anything you want out of court but once you set foot in front of a judge everything changes, you must have evidence. Now, do you have any evidence? If so, prove it!

Trump 2024

Trump to run again in 2024, I'm all in. Let the winning begin. Somebody will have to straighten out the mess Biden and Harris will make of the economy.

News writing 101

I want to disagree with Jay Wolz newspaper comment. He stated that "every" newspaper editor, reporter or writer does his best to be accurate and truthful to the best of his or her knowledge and ability. The opposite is true in my opinion when it comes to large newspapers. They print articles that have been proven to be not factual. They seem to let their political views affect their reporting, either ignoring the facts or not checking the facts before printing the article. Shame on some editors for failing News Writing 101.

SEMO commencement

I guess it seemed like a good idea for SEMO to celebrate graduation for spring and summer graduates. When the original ceremonies were postponed the COVID virus was pretty bad, but getting 1,600 graduates and their families together now is even worse! The virus is almost out of control now! Just mail the graduates their diplomas instead of holding a potential super spreader event! Masks help but they're not foolproof.

Biden's blame

Why is Joe Biden looking to President Trump for answers on the distribution of the China Virus vaccine? He ran on a platform of having all the answers. Now he is already blaming Trump for his incompetence and he is not even in office yet. Will this be another Obama administration where all that is done is blame your predecessor.

Trump's legacy

President Donald Trump's leadership is the reason we are close to getting a vaccine. This will not only help the people in this country but also the world. He is a great leader that demands results and understands what it takes to solve any problem. He listens to the experts and gives them the tools they need. He cleared the typical bureaucratic red tape that bogs down success. He demands the best out of people and himself. He always looks for the good even when things look bleak. I have not always cared for his brashness, but he has proved to be a great president and world leader.

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    Election proof: Like the caller said - take it to court and that's what is being done. The election is not over till it's over.

    Trump 2024: President Trump can't run in 2024 since by then he will have had 2 terms in office.

    News writing 101: The news networks today don't report the news, they report their opinions.

    SEMO commencement: Have the guest speakers on video and the graduates' names read off individually with any special accomplishments.

    Biden's blame: Has anyone seen or heard Biden saying what a good job that "Operation Wrap Speed" did in getting two vaccines out to the public in less than a year....no don't think so.

    Trump's legacy: Let's see what else is added to Trump's legacy during his 2nd term.

    And that's the way it should be according to Schaefer's World....Wednesday November 25, 2020.

    These comments are being rechecked by the Southeast Missourian newspaper, Facebook, and Twitter for accuracy.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 7:25 AM
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    Trump's legacy: Prior to the Virus, unemployment of 3.5% with jobs jobs help wanted all over the place. Two Vaccines for the Chinese Virus in less than a year. No new wars in 4 years. Had NATO countries to start paying up their back dues. Decreased UN monies. Recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Got 5 nominations for next years Nobel Peace Prize with his negotiation skills in the Middle East. Individual and Business tax cuts. Three Supreme Court Justices approved and on the court. These are just some that I can think of off-hand.

    Liberals/Democrats/Closet Democrats go 1,2,3

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 8:09 AM
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    Turtle: You sure are twisted! I support the President and that's it.

    BTW, Rinos are Republican Trump haters....you might want to be correct in your statements.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 10:52 AM
  • Trump's legacy: (Fact checked for accuracy.)

    Prior to the Virus, unemployment of 3.5%

    After the virus 14.7%.

    During the Obama administration, unemployment was reduced from about 10.0% to 4.6%, a reduction of over 5%, the Trump administration reduced it by just 1.1%.

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    Two Vaccines for the Chinese Virus in less than a year.

    Vaccine development went forward both nationally and internationally, but not because any unique contribution from President Trump.

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    No new wars in 4 years.

    No “new wars” in 16 years. The President damaged our relationship with the Kurds and potentially the Afghan government if he gives in or capitulates to the Taliban.

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    Had NATO countries to start paying up their back dues.

    NATO countries had always paid their dues. What President Trump never understood is that the 2% did not represent NATO dues, rather it was a budget target for defense spending by member countries.

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    Decreased UN monies.

    Was another blunder. The UN plays an important role is American world leadership.

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    Recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    All he actually did was move the Ambassador’s office from the Embassy in Tel Aviv to the Consulate in Jerusalem. This blunder was instrumental in terminating and devastating the US role as an “honest broker” between the Arabs and Israel.

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    Got 5 nominations for next years Nobel Peace Prize…

    It was for this year’s prize which he lost. The prize went to the world food program.

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    “…with his negotiation skills in the Middle East.”

    His “accomplishment” was limited to a financial arrangements between Israel and the UAE and Bahrain, with the UAE getting possible access to F-35’s and Bahrain getting continuation of bases.

    The Palestinians got nothing permanent .

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    Individual and Business tax cuts.

    Significant tax cuts went to the highest incomes only. The promised $4000 income increase for all never happened.

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    Three Supreme Court Justices approved and on the court.

    All the President did was point to a name on the list provided by the Federalist Society.

    McConnell, the most dishonest and dishonorable member of the Senate, deserves the “blame” as he is the one that corruptly and underhandedly made the nominations.

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    The President’s childish conduct will just add one more blot on his “legacy.”

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 7:02 PM
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    Poor Lettau, never going to forgive Trump for putting things back in shape after Obama. Sad to see such childishness displayed. Your Democrats stole this election, what else does it take to satisfy you?

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 7:17 PM
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    "Significant tax cuts went to the highest incomes only."

    Your strongpoint isn't math is it Lettau? What part of the same percentage off your taxes always gives more to those who pay the most cannot you comprehend. This was not the vote buing exercise displayed when the EITC took place Uly. You know the ignorance that was written into law where you received an income tax refund when you never paid taxes, or a pittance at the most. You know EITC was the law where you took taxes from those who paid and gave them to those who did not. Welfare is the correct word for it not EITC.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 7:27 PM
  • Mr. VanGennip,

    I just continue to be amused at your inability to accept reality.

    President Trump is probably as confused as you are. He keeps asking why other republicans won and he lost.

    It's pretty clear that he lost the election because he was a poor President and the vast majority of Americans neither liked nor respected him.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 7:33 PM
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    "It's pretty clear that he lost the election because he was a poor President and the vast majority of Americans neither liked nor respected him."

    Really Lettau, he had a rally and he attracked thousands of supporters. Biden had a rally and would be lucky go get about a busload of people.

    It was stolen with mail in ballots and crooked machines and poll workers.

    If it holds as is, you will get to see the ruination of America put in operation with socialism/communism.

    We have been fighting Communism for 75 years, since WWII ended now we are going to go as predicted, without the enemy having fired a shot.

    Anyway you cut it Lettau, your vote will be caste for Trump.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 8:01 PM
  • He may have had a rally that attracted "thousands," but the fact remains that he lost by about 8 million votes.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 8:50 PM
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    Posted by Rick Lettau on Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 7:02 PM

    Do you really believe that cattle residue you posted? Democrats must have a mental problem for the truth. All of my comments can be fact checked on Google as the truth while your wild pointless comments can be fact checked on Comedy Central.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 9:18 PM
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    Posted by Rick Lettau on Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 8:50 PM

    Sure 8 million fraud votes that were flipped from Trump to Biden.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 9:19 PM
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    "The President’s childish conduct will just add one more blot on his “legacy.""

    Lettau, Trump doesn't have to worry about his legacy. He was recognized worldwide for his achievements before the Presidency.

    I think you were thinking of Obama, a nothing from nowhere before he sold his soul to George Soros who bought and paid for his rise to the Presidency. Obama was an unknown Community Organizer, who was elevated to the throne and now in just 8 short years lives in a 7 1/2 million dollar waterfront home. Don't think Community Organizing pays that well, or does it, neither does the Presidency. How do he do it, one might ask?

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 10:28 PM
  • Mr. VanGennip,

    "Organizing" had nothing to do with anything. As you should know, Presidents are paid around $5 million over an 8 year period.

    He has also had several best selling books for which he receives royalties. And he received a multi-million dollar advance on his last book.

    You could have found all this on the internet instead of plotting to invent conspiracy theories.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Nov 26, 2020, at 8:57 AM
  • Rick S.,

    Happy Thanksgiving to you too, and also to our SO conservative co-contributors.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Nov 26, 2020, at 10:27 AM
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    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Nov 26, 2020, at 8:57 AMGiven his lifestyle Lettau, it does not compute. As I said before math apparently is not your strong point.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Nov 26, 2020, at 10:27 AM
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    Happy Thanksgiving all ya all!

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Nov 26, 2020, at 10:31 AM
  • "...math apparently is not your strong point."

    As usual confusion got the better of you one more time.

    Penguin Random House reporter has offered a $65 million advance. Any reason you couldn't look that up by yourself? Jealosy perhaps.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Nov 26, 2020, at 10:44 AM
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    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Nov 26, 2020, at 10:44 AM

    Me jealous of that hunk of human debris, hardly. I assure you not 5 cents worth of one of his books comes from my pocket

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Nov 26, 2020, at 12:45 PM
  • "...hunk of human debris..."

    More adult conversation from the SO conservative wing.

    Seems that losing has always had that impact on Mr. VanGennip.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Nov 26, 2020, at 4:00 PM
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    - Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Nov 26, 2020, at 4:00 PM

    Lettau, losing had nothing to do with anything. I have held that opinion to the now past, thank God, President Barack Hussein Obama since 2008 and somewhat before.

    2008 the start of America's downfall when we elected a man President for the color of his skin and no other reason as he did not have the qualifications for the job.

    Like it or not Lettau those were the dark years of the Presidency in this country where the division that exists to this day was truly begun.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Nov 26, 2020, at 10:32 PM
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  • Mr. VanGennip,

    “….when we elected a man President for the color of his skin and no other reason….”

    You may have based your vote on the color of his skin, most Americans did not. Your case is further destroyed when he was elected a second time. Think about it, truly incompetent Presidents normally lose when they run for re-election. Look at the most recent example.

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    “… those were the dark years of the Presidency in this country…”

    There’s a “Freudian slip” if there ever was one. Seems indicative of what’s important to you.

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    “…where the division that exists to this day was truly begun."

    Why would you imagine that “division” was somehow caused by President Obama?

    You conveniently ignore the “…if Obama’s for it, we MUST be against it…” attitude of the Senate republicans. In spite of their intransigence and unilateral obstructionism, during the Obama administration the economy grew by about 16%, the stock market almost tripled from about 7000 to about 20,000, and unemployment was reduced from about 10% to about 5%.

    (It’s curious that you lavish praise on Trump for cutting unemployment by about 1 ½% while during the Obama administration it was cut in half, by 5%. The same is even more true for black unemployment where the Obama administration made a more significant impact than the Trump administration, in spite of what he says.)

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    In the past you have repudiated and down-played Obama accomplishments, and it’s doubtful you have learned much. There’s an interesting parallel in a book by John Grisham entitled “A Time to Kill.” A white lawyer defends a black farmer who killed a white man who had raped his 10 year old daughter. In his summation the lawyer paints a verbal picture of the abused girl and closes by posing a question to the jurors, “What if she had been white?”

    Do you believe there would be similar “division” in the nation if Obama had been white?

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 8:25 AM
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    Lettau & Turtle: SSDD

    You guys will soil your Depends when Trump is sworn in as President on 1/20/21. Cheaters like the Democrats and the news media will lose in the end.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 9:09 AM
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    So far there's no proof .

    -- Posted by Diseased..Turtle on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 9:19.AM

    Not blind faith but a need to see who really won the election fairly. If you watched something other than CNN and MSNBC such as Newsmax and OAN, you will see hundreds of sworn affidavits of fraud from citizens of the States in question plus the court cases filed by the lawyers for President Trump that are in progress of being decided from the lower courts to maybe the SCOTUS. The election is not over till it's over.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 9:43 AM
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    Turtle: You do have a reading comprehension problem - I said "the court cases filed by the lawyers for President Trump that are in progress of being decided from the lower courts to maybe the SCOTUS." That means works in process - not decided yet - It's not over till it's over....got it now?

    BTW, the fact that you don't know what reality is, means you are not listening or watching a reliable source/s of the truth and only listening to the spin done by the CNN/MSNBC folks expressing their opinions and not the news. Enough said till the court cases are done.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 10:50 AM
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    Posted by Diseased..Turtle on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 11:26 AM

    Here is the first sentence from your unbiased newspaper article:

    "As President Donald Trump continues to push falsehoods about the election"

    Yep, if this is your source of info - I feel sorry for you. As said before enough till the court cases are resolved. Till then have a good day.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 11:34 AM
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    Posted by Diseased..Turtle on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 11:43 AM

    As said before enough till the court cases are resolved.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 11:44 AM
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    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 8:25 AM

    Lettau I vote for or against no person for the color of his skin. I voted against Obama because he was not qualified for the job, was promising things he could not accomplish and he was an egomaniac who could rarely make a sentence without without an "I" in it.

    And you have had it explained to you before but appear to be a slow learner, Obama did not triple the stock market, much of what you claim as gains were strictly recovery from the cyclical recession we were in. Try learning the difference between recovery and gains. Also much of what was gained happened after the 2016 election when Trump was announced the victor and faith was being shown in the hope he could institute policies that would promote real gains. Sorry Uly, nice try but you should know better than promote the same lies that have been knocked down before. The real facts are, Obama presided over the slowest recovery from a cyclical recession since the great depression. His policies were job and economy killers which were proven when Trump canceled many of his Presidential mandates by the same kind of executive orders.

    Trump may or may not be sucessful in his efforts to unmask the fraud that took place in 2020 but if he is not, America is the loser not Donald Trump. This current Democratic wannabe is going to be the worst thing that ever happened to this country. Kamala Harris will be made the President because of Biden's mental health and Socialism/Communism is introduced full speed ahead.

    The entire Leftist Democratic controlled Puppet government will cause great problems in America and the Constitution be damed attitude will creat many Supreme Court Cases!

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 3:51 PM
  • Mr. VanGennip,

    LOL then ROFL.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 4:12 PM
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    LOL then ROFL.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 4:12 PM

    Lettau: Did you learn that at Day Care today?

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 4:41 PM
  • -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 10:58 PM
  • Sending an immigration bill to Congress is not "...immediately granting citizenship..."

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 11:20 PM
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    Posted by Diseased..Turtle on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 8:44 PM

    It now goes to the Supreme Court for a decision.

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    Posted by Diseased..Turtle on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 7:23 AM

    If you want to see the real reason for the Pennsylvania election fraud case here is a Real link to look at:

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/13/why-president-trump-has-a-strong-supreme-co...

    If it's turned down then it's off to the SCOTUS.

    The election isn't over till it's over - geezzz don't you want a fair election?

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    Sending an immigration bill to Congress is not "...immediately granting citizenship..."

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 11:20 PM

    True, because the Senate will reject the Bill unless the 2 Senate seats in Georgia go to the Dems.

    Maybe all the new imports from Mexico will settle around the Scopus area....learn to speak Spanish Lettau.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 8:11 AM
  • That's absurd.

    However, seems you're conceding that President Trump has lost.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 8:25 AM
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    However, seems you're conceding that President Trump has lost.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 8:25 AM

    Lettau: Now where did I say that - this fraud of an election will go down in history as one that was reversed by the SCOTUS after all the cases are settled....get ready to soil your depends.

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    "has lost 31 cases as of yesterday"

    Posted by Diseased..Turtle on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 8:25 AM

    Those have been individual citizens' court cases and not the Trump Team court cases that HAVE NOT being presented to the SCOTUS and ruled on yet. You are confusing the Pennsylvania Supreme Court with the USA Supreme Court.

    The Georgia recounts were not done with an Audit - you know that thing that compares names with mail-in ballots.

    To you both Lettau and Turtle - the election isn't over till it's over. Just ask President Gore!

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 8:47 AM
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    "Sending an immigration bill to Congress is not "...immediately granting citizenship..."

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Nov 27, 2020, at 11:20 PM

    True, because the Senate will reject the Bill unless the 2 Senate seats in Georgia go to the Dems."

    It alL depends on two things, if the Democrats are successful in stealing bothe the Presidency and the upcoming Georgia Senate runoff.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 9:32 AM
  • Mr. VanGennip,

    You can't actually believe this election was "stolen."

    Biden won by over 6 million vote, and by larger margins in key battle ground states.

    Trump in 2016 lost the popular vote by about 3 million and had razor thin margins. If any election was ever stolen, it would have been that one.

    In my opinion you're not dense enough to believe the Trump propaganda but are spouting it anyway.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 9:49 AM
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    Posted by Rick Lettau on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 9:49 AM

    Only in Lettau's brainwashed make-believe Neverland World.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 10:23 AM
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    where have you been ?

    -- Posted by Diseased..Turtle on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 10:28 AM

    Turtle: The question is where have you been? Only in Lettau's & Turtle's brainwashed make-believe Neverland World.

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    No they haven't . The last was yesterday , where have you been ?

    -- Posted by Diseased..Turtle on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 10:28 AM

    Turtle: Those of you who live in Neverland and watch only CNN and MSNBC and not reliable sources such as Newsmax and OAN are prone to be misinformed about current events - that's why Schaefer's World is here to supply the truth to those brainwashed Bidencrats.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 10:48 AM
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    Why would his lawyers suit citizens ? I'll wait while you spin that one too ..

    -- Posted by Diseased..Turtle on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 11:19 AM

    I'll type s l o w l y....the citizens are from the states in question of voter fraud and have N o t h i n g to do with Team Trump.

    BTW. don't need to see you watching CNN & MSNBC....your comments prove that you are a sheep being led by the news media and the Bidencrats.

    I'll wait for your neighbors kid to explain this to you. In the meantime you and Lettau have fun playing in the basement. Out of here.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 11:29 AM
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    Are you really "not-sorry" ??

    -- Posted by Diseased..Turtle on Sat, Nov 28

    Are you really "Lettau". Be back later to see if you need any help with reality.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 11:31 AM
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    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 9:49 AM

    Lettau, literally every incidence I have read about regarding cheating at the polls involved the Democratic party. Do I believe they would cheat if not watched.... you can bet your last dollar I believe it. Only time I was ever asked to vote illegally it was by a Democrat.

    I do not pretend to know all of the facts in this election, like you seem to think you do, but I am willing to let it play out at what level it needs to, just to feel comfortable with the legitimacy of the leader of the country.

    You Democrats went through 2 separate elections challenging the results of elections, up to and including trying to change votes at. the Electoral College level. Then you spent another 4 years witching and moaning while trying to unseat a duly elected President, including 3 years plus on the Russian Hoax. All failed miserably, but it doesn't keep you from trying to cheat Trump at his day in court examining the cheating reports. What are you afraid of???

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 3:33 PM
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    Lettau you appear to need a lesson in Civics. You bring up the 2016 and 2020 elections and speak of winning or losing by millions of votes. News flash for you. That is not how Presidential Candidates win or lose in this Country. We have something called the Electoral College... look it up. It might help with your mental processing of Presidential elections.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 3:40 PM
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    Posted by Diseased..Turtle on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 12:12 PM

    They are only in talks with Newsmax and that's it for now. Heard that CNN is up for sale - maybe they could buy it, now that would be a Hoot!

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 5:51 PM
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    Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 3:40 PM

    Wheels: The question is how many were Legal?

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 5:53 PM
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    you think Rudy and the gang are filing law suits against citizens , the voters !

    ..Posted by Diseased..Turtle on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 11:36 AM

    Who said the lawsuits are against the citizen voters? The suits are against the corruption of the voting process by Illegals means.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 5:56 PM
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    It is a dam shame that you go to the poles and you are not sure your vote isn't canceled out with a ballot that came out of a box full that they just happened to locate. It has happened before. I believe it was Minnesota where they elected that numbskull to Congress with boxes full of ballots they had "overlooked"

    And why was there not all of this outcry over Hillary's loss and litigating. Not to mention the 3 years plus of investigating and the millions spent all to find nothing.

    I think the past three weeks or so are pale in comparison.

    And then there was Al Sore and his lawyering. I don't remember all of the rhetoric being so indignant over that one. I do know one Democrat who is still whining about it though. Hanging chads and dimpled chads.

    And I definitely do not hold Trump up as some kind of God. But I do think he is a lot better administrator than Joe Biden will ever be. Joe Biden is into senility and not only that has not done anything of note in his lifetime. A career politician with no accomplishments who has in someway managed to become a Millionaire. Oh, sorry I forgot about the Hunter thing and 10% for the "Big Man"

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 6:44 PM
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    Those have been individual citizens' court cases

    -- Posted by Diseased..Turtle on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 6:16 PM

    Do you not understand that the citizens' court cases were filed by Citizens AGAINST the voter fraud as stated in the countless Affidavits from the citizens of the swing states that are in question of voter fraud. To repeat Citizens filing individual court cases in which they feel were a fraud. Nothing to do with the cases filed by Team Trump. Enough said movies to watch with girlfriend.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 6:53 PM
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    -- Posted by Diseased..Turtle on Sat, Nov 28, 2020, at 10:12 PM

    Turtle: If you would have read your link you would have found the following - not related to Team Trump lawsuits but from a Pennsylvania lawmaker.

    "The week-old lawsuit, led by Pennsylvania Republican congressman Mike Kelly, had challenged the state’s mail-in voting law as unconstitutional."

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 7:50 AM
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    "The election is not over till it's over" - Schaefer's World.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 7:51 AM
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    DTS (Diseased Turtle Syndrome) in full display on the threads today. SSDD

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 8:35 AM
  • Mr. VanGennip,

    The application and purpose of the electoral college was not the issue, even though it is the determining factor. The point was that in 2 elections Trump lost the popular vote by about 10 million votes.

    When Trump won the EC and lost the popular vote, it was supposedly a "landslide victory" according to him.

    This time he lost by the same EC margin, and supposedly everything was "rigged."

    Trump supporters need to get over it. He lost, and the primary cause was his ineffectual Presidency. Claiming he was a "good administrator" is wishful thinking as demonstrated by his mishandling of the pandemic.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 8:49 AM
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    As far as SSDD , I sure ain't lovin' on T**** ..

    -- Posted by Diseased..Turtle on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 8:49 AM

    No, you are not but your hate for President Trump is shining thru. Sad for you.

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    wishful thinking as demonstrated by his mishandling of the pandemic.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 8:49 AM

    Sure Lettau, two vaccines will be available in December 2020 which according to most health experts is a major milestone of accomplishment. No credit given to Trump the leader of "Operation Warp Speed" only negative hateful comments. If Dementia Joe was president, the vaccines would have been available this time next year....such is the facts. However, you will still have to spew your hate for another 4 years during Trump's second term....I'll leave that warm thought for you to stew on today. Now you and Turtleman meet in your basement and come up with some more misinformation statements.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 9:35 AM
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    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 8:49 AM

    Lettau, the popular vote difference in 2016, since you see to fit was traced to illegal votes in California where in some areas the vote count was higher than the number off registered voters. ThT went nowhere because the Democrats blocked doing anything about it. And it failed to elect Hillary anyway. 2020 was stolen with Mail in ballots. If Trump looses in the end you will always have a Presidency of questionable legitimacy.

    You Democrats like to whine when you loose and lawyer up to try and win, but if a Republican does the same thing it is just horrible to hear it from someone like you.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 10:30 AM
  • Can't believe you're still whining about imaginary votes in California.

    Get over it.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM
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    Can't believe you're still whining about imaginary votes in California.

    Get over it.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM

    Lettau: Do you ever read your comments before hitting the enter key? You have been crying & whining from the day after the 2016 election till today and forward about Trump beating Hillary.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 11:34 AM
  • Mr. VanGennip,

    “…in the end you will always have a Presidency of questionable legitimacy.”

    Sorry, you’re wrong one more time.

    I won’t “…have a Presidency of questionable legitimacy,” and neither will the vast majority of Americans who live in reality.

    The only “questioners” would appear to be President Trump, yourself, Schaefer’s fantasy world residents and other assorted cult members.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 11:38 AM
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    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 11:38 AM

    Lettau: Spoken like a truly brainwashed Liberal Socialist Democrat.

    -- Posted by Truth Slinger on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 11:45 AM
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    Lettau, even if Biden is declared the winner, your next problem will be if he is still coherent enough to take the oath of office, then it will only be a matter of time before Biden is replaced with Far Far Left Karamel.

    The Democratic Party gave America a royal screwing when they nominated Biden in the first place, a Puppet Candidate they had to hide in the basement. Then compoundeded that mistake by putting the Leftist Kamala as next in line.

    What a bunch of indescribables you bow to.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 12:15 PM
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    It is truly amazing the amount of the English language Google will not permit you to use to properly describe a modern day Democrat.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 12:19 PM
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    Lettau, I am not whining about illegal votes in California, Trump won without them anyway. I would simply like to leave my Country in as good or better shape as I found it for my children and grandchildren, and not in the hands of a Comunistic government

    If the far left in this country prevail that is what comes next. Remember the part about the voters, they are not who count. It is those who count that matter. We are slipping into that mold, thanks to lackies like you who follow the dictates of a party no matter where they lead. I want to see an honest election at all levels regardless of who is declared the winner. I want true winners for my Country, not those with questionable legitimacy.

    Make the penalties for cheating severe enough to strongly deter it.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 12:48 PM
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    "Lettau, I am not whining about illegal votes in California, Trump won without them anyway."

    I left something out, it should read...

    Lettau, I am not whining about illegal votes in California in 2016, Trump won without them anyway.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 12:53 PM
  • The issue is your naivete in believing that there were "millions" of illegal votes in California.

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 2:35 PM
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    Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 2:35 PM

    No Lettau it is naive for you to think there were not. Is illegal voting taking place where you have more ballots turned in than you have registered voters or not?

    From looking at history it is almost a given, you never have even 100% of registered voters filling out a ballot on election day. Only in Democratically controlled areas does this happen. And with California it is a given they will give their electoral votes to the Democrats anyway. There was an investigation started on this but blocked by the Democrats in power out there in the land of fruits and nuts.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 3:32 PM
  • More speculation. No proof. If you want anyone to take you seriously answer theses questions

    What counties were involved, how may registered voters and ballots cast?

    -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 4:41 PM
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    Lettau it has been 4 years and I do not dwell on it every day of my life, so why don't you read the article linked below that you could have googled yourself if you are as smart as you think you are. What I said and what is reported on differs in the fact that they have more voters casting votes in some counties than they have people eligible to regigster to voter.

    Perhaps your memorey is so faulty you do not remember any of this but I do and no I do not know all of the counties affected nor am I going to waste my tiem at looking them up for you. The truth is the Democrats don't want to clean up their voter registration roles because they are almost sure to loose some votes.

    Votes from dead people and illegals should not count in our elections anywhere and at any time. Surely as an American you could agree with that.

    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-california-more...

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Nov 29, 2020, at 8:13 PM
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    Guess Uly has no response.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Nov 30, 2020, at 9:56 AM

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