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Speak Out 7/20/12

Friday, July 20, 2012

Crowe cartoon

Taylor Crowe's political cartoon on the postponement of the vote on deer hunting was hilarious. What makes something really funny is how true it is. So far, electing Trent Summers as councilman has turned out to be less than efficacious. It seems the councilman has other priorities.

Picking up the tab

Someone said they don't mind Obamacare because everyone will be paying their fair share and he (the caller) now won't be paying for others. That is without a doubt the most ridiculous comment I've seen in Speak Out in years. The same large number of people who are on some form of welfare -- food stamps, rent assistance, free child care (all day long whether they are in class or work two hours or 10!), free lunch for their kids, etc. -- will also need help paying for their mandatory insurance. Who in the world do you really think is going to pick up the tab for that ever-growing population?

Obamacare

I had a grandfather who fought in World War I; I had a father who fought in World War II, and several uncles and friends that have fought in many wars for our freedom. Now, it appears that President Obama is trying to take our freedom away from us and force health care down our throats. I thought we lived in America, the land of free. So, if the president wants to fulfill this wish of his, then I feel like he ought to pay all the premiums for everybody that he is forcing this on.

Passing grades

It's always the teachers' fault, never the parents' or the students' fault. If I had to guess what the problem was, it is the passing of middle school kids and junior high kids no matter what grades they make. When they get to high school when the grades count, they are behind and they get frustrated because they have been passed through the system and expect that in high school.

Romney tax returns

Mitt Romney says he loves America. Then why does he keep his money in other countries? In America it will help the economy, trickle-down economics, but it has to be here to trickle down.

Child's responsibility

As an educator with more than 30 years of experience and the mother of two children, I take issue with Michael Jensen's article titled "Education will not improve until parents improve." This is not exactly true. Actually, education will not improve until students of all ages improve. Students are the ones who come to school and misbehave. I tell my kindergarten students that school is their job and it is their responsibility to listen and to learn and to do a good job. It is time to stop blaming the teachers and blaming the administrators and blaming the parents. Children are the ones who come to school every day. It is their job to come and do their best, and they need to learn to take responsibility for their own actions.


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That the child should take any responsibility for his/her education is absurd!! I agree with Melange. GET OUT OF TEACHING!! It's your job to FORCE kids that don't want to learn to pay attention and learn. It's your job to see to it that each child goes home and does their homework and studies as opposed to watching TV or running the streets at night. It's your job to see to it that they go to bed at a decent hour to get the sleep they need conducive to learning. It's your responsibility to see to it that they get a decent breakfest conducive to learning. These are you kids and you are responsible for them 24/7 as education is a 24/7 process. As far as unruly and disruptive kids, deal with it, but don't you

dare discipline these kids as that has been determined that that could hurt their feelings.

Children taking/learning responsibility. What an ignorant statement for a teacher to make. QUIT NOW!!!

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 6:13 AM

Picking up the tab: Well said, the "Blood Sucking Freeloaders" are like roaches...you can't get rid of them.

Passing grades: Back in the 50s and 60s if a kid did not measure up in the grade school class that he/she was in they would be held back. Couldn't do that today because it wouldn't be PC to punish a kid that way.

Romney tax returns: Let's see what is in his returns as well as Obama's....go back at least 5 years for both.

Child's responsibility: IMO you should have retired 10 years ago. My teachers were the law in the class rooms, they made us learn the daily lessons or we didn't move on to something new. All homework was to be done and turned in on time.

If a little enforcement (paddle) was needed it was not spared. This was all before the goody to shoes and the PC people ruin the school system but it is still up to the teachers to force kids to want to do well and not to just past them on to another grade.

What is wrong with people, 14 killed in a midnight showing of the new Batman movie in Aurora, Co.?

-- Posted by semo471 on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 8:13 AM

Picking up the tab......get a clue and a fact, the folks you speak of, the welfare folks and the rest already get health insurance. Your statement is false.

Semo471...Obama has released his taxes for that many years and more. The GOP hand picked golden child is the stonewaller.

What is wrong with 12 people killed in the theater for the midnight showing of Batman? Ask Rush...since it's all a commie plot and all liberals will watch it and they need to be exterminated...according to Rush....

-- Posted by Mudflopper on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 8:18 AM

aren't we still waiting to see Kerry's tax returns? no one put up such a fuss back then, why the fuss now. and what's wrong with offshore accounts actually?

-- Posted by TommyStix on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 9:32 AM

Tiwercs - yep, you pegged it. Stupid teacher/s don't know anything about teaching or raising kids, T/G Me'Lange does.

-- Posted by Username1 on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 12:59 PM

Thank you Rick - we appreciate that.

-- Posted by Username1 on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 2:34 PM

I still want to see the COURT ORDER where obama CHANGED his name back since he no longer uses his adopted father's name. Oh wait another Post-It Note, I mean Executive Order will magically appear to say he is exempt.

Mud, I think you are missing the point. I have seen from your other postings that you are for ALLOWING ILLEGALS to vote, multiple times enough for you?? As for voting ID, buddy, if ANYONE DOES ANYTHING other than hang out in the back woods, you NEED PICTURE ID. Travel, Check; Cash a check, check; Use a credit card, check; DRIVE A CAR, check.

Mud, why else would you NOT WANT LEGAL citizens to be the only one to vote?? Only to garner support for a man who will take away EVERY FREEDOM you have. He bypasses congress at a whim. He allows muslims to try and enforce sharia law. Do you want your wife or MOTHER to have to be MUTILATED in their privates??? Then you better dig your head out of the sand and help find a true CONSTITUTIONALIST for a president.

-- Posted by maxsmom13 on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 4:03 PM

maxsmom13:

I read your post twice just to be sure I read it correctly. IMO your first 2 paragraphs are a crock and your last paragraph is complete BS. What freedoms have you lost since Obama took office?

-- Posted by howdydoody on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 5:35 PM

Username1, Please share your thoughts with your superintendent(s). Let us see how they feel about your attitude.

Do you belittle students who use critical thinking skills and share a different opinion than yours in your classroom too?

In the future, try commenting on the topic and stop attacking those who hold a different opinion.

-- Posted by Me'Lange on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 2:42 PM

Me'lange - STUFF IT! And I mean that. I will comment how and when I choose (just like you). Still, it doesn't change the fact that you know little about education or raising children. I've READ about flying a plane, spent time in an airport, and even fly fairly often, but I would never tell a pilot how to fly or manage his plane. And when you begin showing-off what you think you know about education, I'm going to respond in whatever manner I choose. Now why don't you have my post removed - that's YOUR style - IMHO. Oh, and in the future, STUFF IT!

P.S. Superintendents don't talk down to me - we get along just fine.

-- Posted by Username1 on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 8:13 PM

Rick, as you can tell, I'm pretty tired of teachers getting dumped on by every Tom, Dick and Me'Lange. We're easy targets for SOME. So, I thank you for your support of teachers.

-- Posted by Username1 on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 8:30 PM

After a 12 hour absence of this S.O. forum, I see that love is in the air and respect for all posters.....wait a minute I was looking at a different paper's S.O. forum. Now then, semissourian S.O. forum....OMG what hate and disrespect for posters do I see.

-- Posted by semo471 on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 9:22 PM

anyways..I always did have a soft spot for young'uns...dunno why , but I do☺☺

-- Posted by Rickʘ on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 9:41 PM

Me too!!!

-- Posted by Username1 on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 11:02 PM

Maybe so Me'Lange, but I kind of think s/he'd would agree and would love to be able to say the truth, without the filters too. What's more, the beauty of this site is I can finally say what I feel about people like you, who THINK they know about my job or teachers in general. I can say "STUFF IT" to people who NEED to hear it. It's freeing. And again, if you don't like it, stop targeting teachers or STUFF IT.

P.S. You'd be the first to tell, if you knew. LOL

-- Posted by Username1 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 10:13 AM

In reading this I am reminded of a tag line in another forum and I paraphrase. "Those who think they know everything are particularly annoying to those who think they do."

I've taught and trained, but never been a teacher. I have family members who do and my hat is off to them, I sure couldn't do it.

Like any occupation though there are teachers who should not be in a classroom and any teacher who is honest will tell you that.

I do believe in general we ask too much of teachers.

-- Posted by 356 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 10:32 AM

You are correct 356. Good teachers are constantly learning, reflecting, adapting, and they know it's important.

-- Posted by Username1 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 10:40 AM

-- Posted by username1 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 10:40 AM

That should be true of any occupation. I was working to improve on my performance until my last day on the job and recording hearings, writing evaluations, checklist and suggestions for the supervisor who was replacing me.

Unfortunately all occupations have those interested in a paycheck and they may even have started out as excellent employees, I know I certainly had them and like teachers they were next to impossible to fire.

Teachers are unique in some ways and in others not so much.

-- Posted by 356 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 10:51 AM

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 11:20 AM

Agreed and having had to re-train individuals from other states in the same occupation can be a bear to, "Well in Texas, Oklahoma, Illinois, we did it this way..." "Well you are in Missouri now, so..."

Family members going from state to state, district to district and private vs public always had to make adjustments. There may very well be universals, but there are also a lot of variables.

Of course there will always be experts real or self anointed who seem to always have the solutions that have somehow eluded others who actually work in the fields.

-- Posted by 356 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 11:42 AM

-- Posted by Me'Lange on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 11:30 AM

What attitude!!! Kind of what I've come to expect from you. Using words like "crap" and "spewing crap" and all. Well that says a lot about you. Do you talk to your friends and neighbors that way. Family? Goodness, makes me have a poor opinion of you. It's funny how you get into fights with everyone, isn't it?

Me'Lange, why would I waste my time trying to tell you anything? YOU already know it all. I do share at school, district, and state meetings where it counts though.

-- Posted by Username1 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 12:28 PM

A teacher's position much like any other positions should be one that you enjoy doing. Your enjoyment in what you are doing will be shown by the actions and responses of your students. Look at the KFVS Best Teachers, those teachers nominated by their students because he/she went beyond the call of duty. That is what is wrong with some teachers, it's just a paycheck....this type need to be shown the door. I have been involved (in my 40 yrs. in management) production planning, inventory control, and purchasing. Never did I work a 40 hr. week (normally 50) this was due to me wanting to be the best at what position I was performing. To get off the soap box, my last point to make would be living by these words of wisdom: Treat others like you would want to be treated.

-- Posted by semo471 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 1:09 PM

Me'Lange - do you really think you can HARASS me into giving you information when I've already told you I wouldn't WASTE my time? And I'm not foolish enough to give you my private information so you can use it against me (remember when you did that?). Give it a rest, honey, it's not going to work.

-- Posted by Username1 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 1:19 PM

This is some funny stuff, if I didn't have some work to do, I would get my DSM IV out and have a field day.

-- Posted by 356 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 1:30 PM

Wheels,

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition (DSM-IV)

-- Posted by 356 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 1:37 PM

WOW Me'Lange - thanks for GIVING me a choice.

Nope - I was talking about when you foolishly posted your private information and it bit you.

Nice ATTEMPT at trying to find my personal information with that last comment though. :)

-- Posted by Username1 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 1:41 PM

Ok Me'Lange, if you SAY so...:)

-- Posted by Username1 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 1:55 PM

Posted by Rickʘ on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 1:46 PM

Rick: Words of wisdom spoken. That's about the way the companies I've worked for did with their managers in "Problem Solving" meetings.

-- Posted by semo471 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 1:58 PM

If I was in the area I would invite you over to Shindlers in New Hamburg where we could turn this into some intelligent conversation. I would need to bring my wife though so as to have a safe ride home. Maybe I could leave her in the car.-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 2:03 PM

Wheels: That sounds like a good ideal about Shindlers but don't leave your wife out in the car it's too hot.

-- Posted by semo471 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 2:56 PM

Username, It is becoming apparent that you might not be able to answer any questions about education because perhaps you are a regular poster pretending to be a teacher?

~Shaking my head~ I had that figured out a week or so ago, but gave the poster another shot to prove me wrong.

-- Posted by Me'Lange on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 1:55 PM

Really, you're STILL trying? And thanks for GIVING me "another shot". Woot, Woot! ~Grinning like a monkey and shaking my head~ You are scary smart. IMHO

-- Posted by Username1 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 3:14 PM

Me'Lange

Perhaps I'm mixfused , as usual....

It almost seems my suggestions get turned down by you for one reason or another ...almost a negative "vibe" toward the entire situation , I dunno....

-- Posted by Rickʘ on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 2:17 PM

After all these years, you should understand that Me'Lange will play the devil's avocate, just to stir the discussion.

-- Posted by Me'Lange on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 2:23 PM

Rick, just one of the reasons I often times won't respond to Me'Lange in a serious way. It doesn't matter what you say...she just wants to "stir". Why waste my time with that? I take my responsibilities as a teacher seriously, so I'm not playing her "gotcha game". She's a BULLY trying to mask it by saying she's "stirring the discussion". How many posters has she already reported when she was the one "stirring the discussion"? I believe you know about that first-hand. And if she could report me to my district today, she would (or any other teacher who responds to her in a way that doesn't agree with/please her - at least that's what I get from her earlier computer-related comment).

-- Posted by Username1 on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 3:52 PM

An education is the child's responsibility. You lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 9:13 PM


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