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Protest overruled, work resumes on Birds Point levee

Sunday, July 8, 2012

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Workers smooth the land west of the intentional breach in the Birds Point Levee Wednesday, April 11, 2012 in Mississippi County.
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Work will resume on the Birds Point levee now that a protest to a construction bid has been deemed "without merit" by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

According to a project update issued Friday by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Memphis District, the bid protest, filed last month by an Oklahoma company, was overruled by the chief counsel of the corps' Mississippi Valley Division.

Carlin Bennett, presiding commissioner of Mississippi County, said it was aggravating to watch weeks of work stalled over the matter.

"The corps felt like they needed to follow their protocols," Bennett said.

"It was very frustrating to lose all that time over basically a paperwork issue the guy had. He didn't do his paperwork right. It was his own fault, but we had to pay the price for it."

Once a protest is filed, federal law requires work to stop until the corps reviews it and reaches a decision. A similar protest filed with the corps for emergency repairs to the levee last fall delayed the project for weeks.

A&M Engineering & Environmental Services of Tulsa, Okla., was protesting the award of $20 million in contracts to three other companies that were ready to begin work to restore the first breach site to a height of 55 feet.

Young's General Contracting of Poplar Bluff, Mo.; Kingridge Enterprises Inc. of Little Rock, Ark.; and Harold Coffey Construction Co. of Hickman, Ky., had already been given a notice from the corps to proceed on the project.

A&M was protesting the type of contract the government selected -- a multiple award task order contract -- and the government's evaluation of its proposal.

A letter was sent Monday asking the contractor to resume working toward rebuilding the levee to a height of 55 feet on the Cairo, Ill., river gauge.

Bennett said farmers in the floodway have endured several delays and will be glad to see the work get started again.

U.S. Rep. Jo Ann Emerson of Cape Girardeau sent the following statement about the development Friday afternoon:

"I'm disappointed that there continues to be delays although I am pleased that we have finally moved past this hurdle. I believe very strongly in holding the corps accountable to their timeline. The private property and livelihoods of hundreds of my constituents rely on flood control to protect their investment in our rural economy."

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Absolutely criminal how this critically important project is being dragged out.....Dryest Spring/Summer on record at Birds Point and no dirt has been moved since last Winter...big government at it's worst !!!

-- Posted by greeneagle5 on Sat, Jul 7, 2012, at 8:37 AM

Our good neighbor to the north,Canada, recently sent emergency utility crews to the DC/Va./Md. region to help get power back to thousands after a destructive storm.....maybe their Military Engineers can help rebuild the Birds Point Levee since "our" government appears not to be overly concerned about the re-building.

-- Posted by greeneagle5 on Sat, Jul 7, 2012, at 6:33 PM

The sad truth is greeneagle5, that this situation, barring the legal mumbo jumbo should have been dealt with already.

It's been over a year, now and still no semblance of real protection for those who continue to live in the region affected.

Our Representative, Jo Ann Emerson could have taken care of this with one phone call, but as of yet has failed to do so. She likes to make it seem like she cares and comes down to take pictures from time to time or provides a quote for the papers when a story relating to the levee comes up, but if she was really serious about getting this tragedy rectified she could have done it with one phone call and I'll tell you how.

I worked for the Army, active duty for almost a decade. A large portion of that time was spent working with an engineer company that was part of my old battalion.

One of the things the Army hates is bad press, the one thing they abhor is lack of funds. If Ms. Emerson-Gladney, who sits on the Appropriations Committee would have just called the Secretary of the Army or one of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or their under secretaries and told them that, if you don't get this project in my district going and finished ASAP I will hold up your discretionary spending funds until you do. Period. That's all it would have taken, a General makes a call and down the line it goes, again barring any legal issues that need to be resolved.

The fact is this isn't a priority for Ms. Emerson, that or she has no idea how to use the authority of her office to produce results for her district. In either case she has failed miserably in dealing with this man made tragedy that has plagued our district and hurt our people so severely.

-- Posted by ddshea on Sat, Jul 7, 2012, at 9:04 PM

Ddshea -

You may have served in the military, but it appears you know nothing of Government. As I recall by reading this paper, Emerson is the one that secured the funding for a rebuild and the reason the project is moving forward. I have also done contract work with the Corps and I can tell you that no single member of congress can overrule their regulations. I don't know much about this specific issue, other than what I have read, but I know how Govt works. If you think Emerson could "take care of this with one call," you are sadly uneducated. Find another issue, Mr. Shea.

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 9:15 AM

Newt, she did secure the funds. As an Emerson supporter my hope is that Dirk continues his focus on this project. As much as some of us would like to have a dictatorship where Mrs. Emerson is in control we have a system of checks and balances and this appeal was a part of that system. This project wouldn't be this far along if it weren't for Mrs. Emerson and my guess is that when she says she'll hold them to her timeline that's exactly what she'll do. Please Dirk, and Mr. Parker, and Mr. Bill, keep banging this drum.

-- Posted by workerdignity on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 9:41 AM

ddshea must not live anywhere close to the levee. This one phone call business is something only a foreign ignoramus would come up with.

-- Posted by t partier on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 11:37 AM

Ddshea where DO you live? What officials have you spoken to?

-- Posted by SterlingCooper on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 11:46 AM

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery so whichever one of you Emerson Staffers created the "ddshae" account must sincerely be concerned. You really should be because the people have woken up to just what your boss has been doing, both she and you should be ashamed.

That said, the only thing the Army hates more than bad press is the withholding of funds. Ms. Emerson is on the Appropriations Committee that doles out the funds. This issue could and should have been easily rectified by her contacting the Secretary of the Army, or one of the Joint Chiefs.

All of you, as typical government shills tend to do, want to make things a lot more complicated then they really are. You also like to make the people believe that we have to leave it to the "experts" to navigate through the thousands of miles of Red Tape, that you create, to get something done. That's a load of crap to put it bluntly.

The rebuild can and should have been completed already had Ms. Emerson chose to exercise the power inherent in the authority of her position as well as her position on appropriation. She chose and continues to choose not to do so. Another weak-kneed, spineless, career go-a-long-to-get-along politician. After 16 years people have had more than enough of that, and her.

-- Posted by ddshea on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 11:54 AM

Mr. Shea,

Where do you live, sir. Can you explain where you get your information? Have you participated in this process. I'm trying to understand.

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 1:21 PM

I live here in our Congressional district that was affected by this man made tragedy.

Where do I get my information? That's the point. The documented facts that should be in the public domain aren't there or aren't easily accessible to the general public like they should be.

I've been trying to get documented information which isn't readily available for some time and will continue to do so. I am used to navigating through the maze that is government/military websites. There isn't anything pertaining to this project with regard to:

Money set aside for completion

Money spent to date

contracts awarded (not contracts up for bid)

Firm timeline with projected date of completion

If any of you know where this information can be accessed I'm all "eyes". Point me in the right direction.

I've had to file a FOIA request with the Memphis Branch of the Army Corps of Engineers which has thus far been summarily ignored.

I've asked the Missourian to provide the sources for the articles they write for the paper, likewise ignored. They list money spent, time line, just recently with this piece, some of those who were contracted to do some of the work. Where are the sources for these statements? They aren't in the public record from what I've been able to find.

This is a public project that dramatically affects our State and it's people. These documents should be in the public domain and easily accessible.

-- Posted by ddshea on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 2:18 PM

If the Army had not bombed the Birds Point levee, local farmers would have rebuilt it for free last year. That would have saved money for the government.

-- Posted by delta grower on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 3:22 PM

Mr. Shea,

I am trying to be respectful. Do you live in or near the counties impacted? Do you have family there? Have you been involved in the process? I'm just trying to understand the situation and your involvment. I feel these are direct questions and I would appreciate a direct answer. I didn't like the way the Corps handled things in Northern Missouri last year, but I don't live there and I'm not involved so I don't comment on what I don't understand.

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 4:48 PM

The answer to your question is I live in Howell County in South Central Missouri. This tragedy affects all of the citizens of our State as well as those in neighboring states that were likewise affected.

My brother is Stationed in Fort Campbell Kentucky and I'd travel through the area quite frequently visiting him and his family. I remember quite vividly having to detour 70 miles out of the way to get through the devastation that was wrought. When the water had somewhat receded and roads were again opened I went and toured the area. The tragedy and destruction were nearly indescribable and I pray that those affected first hand by this man made disaster get the relief and peace of mind they deserve.

You can proceed now to berate me for not living on the levee when the Corp and the our officials allowed this to occur. And for the record, an understanding of this incident is exactly what I am attempting to achieve through documents that should be made public since this is a public project the WE the public are paying for it.

-- Posted by ddshea on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 5:24 PM

My understanding from reading Article 1 is that the power of Congress is vested in the institution not the individual members. So I do give Rep Emerson credit for getting funding to build a levee out of this enviro whack job administration.

Anyway, ddshea does make a point that Rep Emerson is on the powerful appropriations committee. Any word on what committees Mr Parker would seek if elected?

-- Posted by SamTheEagle on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 7:29 PM

Thank you for answering the question, Mr. Shea. I appreciate that you are looking for understanding. My issue is with the difinitive statements you make when you admit you do not understand. I trust the people that live there and are part of the process. My cousin lives and works there. He is as mad as anyone, but he tells me that the officials there have been great. He even talks frequently on the phone with the Congresswoman you are always berating. He isn't anyone important. Just a small farmer that understands. I would recommend you talk to someone like him before you make your posts. It is also interesting you talk about the other states impacted. Has it ever occured to you that they have their own priorities and their own government officials? I don't know the details of this situation, but I do know there is much more to it than you comprehend. Again, thanks for answering my questions.

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 7:31 PM

I still want to know WHO the Las Vegas, NV. corporation is that was given the $25 million, why, since they had no manpower nor equipment in Missouri it was given to them (regardless of a low bid), and WHY THE CORPS LIED TO ME, NOT ONCE BUT TWICE!

-- Posted by born right on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 9:14 PM

Sam, not sure, you'd have to ask Mr. Parker, but I'd bet agriculture would be a first choice

http://www.electbobparker.com/

NewtDobbs,

My lack of understanding is fueled by a complete lack of information that appears to be intentionally kept from the public. It is a public project and the information should be in the public domain.

As to the Congresswoman, there is a multitude of reasons to hold her accountable for of which this is but one, a huge one.

If anyone is interested in what else our Congresswoman has been up to lately, you can go to

http://joannemersonexposed.com/

So, here we are, over a year since over a mile of the protective levee has been blown up and vasts amounts of money have been thrown around apparently and little to no real results, much less a completed project. That's my understanding.

She needs to exercise the authority which she wields in the best interest of the people whom she is supposed to represent. She seems to have a real problem in doing that but that will be taken care of on August 7 at the Primary election.

-- Posted by ddshea on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 9:34 PM

Mr. Shea,

Again, you do not know the situation, but you are an expert at assigning blame. As I understand the process, which is obviously better than you, the Congresswoman did her job in securing the funds for the rebuild. Combine that with the stories this paper has printed and what the local authorities say about her work and I would say you are allowing your hatred of her to blind you on this issue. Again, if I were you, I would either go there and talk to the people that know or stay in Howell County (3 hours away) and comment on things you understand.

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 10:57 PM

NewtDobbs,

Again, I am attempting to get a full understanding of the facts supported not just by the rhetoric of those involved who have something to loose or something to gain as you seem fully satisfied with.

Hard numbers of money acquired and money spent exist somewhere, as do facts of which companies were awarded the work contracts. These facts should be in the public domain for people to see since we are the ones paying for it.

As to our 16 year Congresswoman, holding an official accountable for their ineptness misdeeds is not hatred. I do not in any way hate our 16 year Congresswoman. I don't approve of in any way how she represents our district. I don't say that lightly and there are a multitude of reasons to justify my statement that anyone can see by going to

http://joannemersonexposed.com/

As to going there and talking to people, of course, that's part of the process. I don't just complain about things and do nothing about them. I act. I have visited the area numerous times and plan to do so again to do so in the future.

You may be content to let things take their course with this situation and many others and that attitude is why our nation is in such a terrible position at this time in my opinion, but that is your right to be blissfully uninvolved if you so choose. By the way the SE Missourian, or any other form of news media, aren't an authority on much these days and I trust them about as much as I trust Obama to suddenly become a conservative. I'll take the hard numbers and facts over any biased media.

-- Posted by ddshea on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM

Whom did you talk to on your "numerous" visits and please let me know whom you meet with upon your next visit. The only ineptness I'm witnessing is you and your ability to understand this situation. Again, a direct question seeking a direct answer. AND please stop with the links and speeches about the Congresswoman's record. That does not interest me.

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 7:28 AM

NewtDobbs,

You might not be aware of this, but I don't owe you anything. Get it? Let that sink in for a minute.

Who are you, that supposedly, and admittedly, claims as you have, to not be fully aware of this subject but trusts your cousin's opinion and our elected officials are doing their jobs?

Whom I've talked to and will talk to are my business until I choose to make that public knowledge after I get the facts.

Jo Ann Emerson has failed the people of our district in a multitude of ways. Whether it's participating in the destruction of our economy, like her vote to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act which is directly responsible for and predictably led to our economic collapse.

Her voting for taxpayer funded embryonic stem cell research twice, making us all culpable in that crime against the rights of the unborn.

Her voting for every bailout from Wall-Street, to General Motors, Cash for Clunkers Program, doubling the size of the Dept. of Education with no child left behind.

What gripes me more that her big spending is her votes to Destroy our Constitutional Protections she swore and Oath to protect and defend. These votes were the NDAA that allows for indefinite detention of American Citizens on American soil. HR347 which outlaws peoples' first amendment right to peacefully protest or exercise free speech with a penalty of 10 years in prison and a felony conviction.

Anyone interested can see Jo Ann Emerson's record for themselves by clicking through the links at

http://joannemersonexposed.com/

Emerson is owned lock stock and barrel by the Unions her husband represents, lobbyists like the ones her daughters work for (GM and Monstanto) and Special Interests. She'll vote for them over the interest of the people in her district every time.

-- Posted by ddshea on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 9:27 AM

I didn't expect you to take the cowards way out. I don't know the situation, but I trust this papers numerous reports and the word of my family. It is clear that you have not talked to anyone involved in this process. Good day.

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 11:23 AM

Lol, calling me a "chicken" will hardly get me to divulge information I have in fact obtained up to this point.

When I get the whole picture put together complete with source documents I will put that out but not before that and certainly not to some anonymous person in the comments section of a paper that refuses, thus far, to share the source information of articles they've written.

I question your motives and your support for a Congresswoman who has failed this nation and the people in her district as completely as Ms. Emerson has as clearly evidenced here,

http://joannemersonexposed.com/

Good day to you as well.

-- Posted by ddshea on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 11:46 AM

I have watched in disgust for several months as people like Bob Parker and his supporters have tried to make our personal tragedy into a campaign issue. I've never been involved in politics and I don't want to start now, but I can no longer allow uninformed people to continue unchecked. First of all, I am not a contributor to JoAnn Emerson and I have never campaigned for her. For over 60 years I have lived and farmed in the floodway. My home set almost directly behind where they activated the third breach in New Madrid County. I lost my home, much of my equipment, and much of my farm ground. Let me be clear...the people in Mississippi and New Madrid Counties would have gotten NO WHERE with the Corps of Engineers without JoAnn. Period, end of discussion. She was the first one to call a meeting prior to the activation, she was down here everyday up to the activation, and she has been back countless times sense. I took her in a boat to view the damage personally. This tragedy broke her heart and I have never been more proud of an elected official. Anytime I have had problems with the Corps on my ground one call directly to JoAnn and it is is fixed. Whether they are tearing up a road, or sitting idle, when I call her she makes a call and the Corps starts moving. It was JoAnn alone that got the Corps to agree to build us a temporary levee. She fought them again and got the General to agree to bring the temporary levee higher. That levee and the money spent to build it allowed me and many of my neighbors to survive last year and this. That wouldn't have happened without JoAnn Emerson. When the Corps wanted to take more farm ground for unneeded berms along the levee a call to JoAnn stopped it. She is the one that secured the money for the rebuild that is beginning now. She or her staff have attended every single monthly meeting the Corps holds. I have seen JoAnn with Generals and Colonels and it is clear that they listen to her. This is a complicated issue with many factors. This isn't fixed with a phone call! This requires experience and tough leadership and thank God JoAnn has plenty of both. If you want to discuss some other issue from some other article go ahead. But, please refrain from criticizing something you know nothing about. I haven't seen Bob Parker or Mr. Shea at any of the meetings I have attended to discuss this levee - AND I have attended them ALL. This is my life, this is all I know. JoAnn has made it possible for all of us to carry on. If you want to gripe about the Corps, have at it. Please do not attack our hard working Representative. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Milus Wallace, Farmer in the Floodway

-- Posted by MilusWallace on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 5:21 PM

What I find most sad about this is that there appears to be no accountability.

Last year these farmers were destroyed by the flood, this year the drought is getting them. If the numbers that were reported in the SE Missourian are correct, and $25 million has been spent to date, then that makes it $2,367 per linear foot spent thus far. If you add another $20 million in there, it's another $1893 per linear foot, bringing the grand total of restoring the levee to $4260 per linear FOOT to bring it back to less than what it was before they spent -who knows how much- to unnecessarily blow it up.

Since Emerson has been on appropriations for so long, and we are about 16 trillion in debt, I find the issue is important. When you set on a committee and see the waste that occurs out here in the real world, you need to make accountability for expenditures the number one issue. Not take taxpayer funded trips to Scotland.

I went to the levee this spring and have pics I will post links to so that everyone in the District (and elsewhere) can see what over $2,000 per linear foot of dirtwork looks like. Frankly, the residents of the levee area have been defrauded in more ways than one, and the rest of the country is also being defrauded.

Even if someone is politely robbing you blind, you are still being robbed.

-- Posted by Dreen on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 6:28 PM

So one trip to the levee and pictures makes one an expert?? That is sad. I think I will take the landowners word for it. Please, respect these people and campaign on another issue.

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 7:16 PM

Wow. You completely miss the issue.

I do not believe any individual on this comment segment has held themselves forth as an expert.

For myself, this isn't about ANY campaign. This issue hits every one of us right where we live....In our pocketbooks, and in our kitchens and for those involved in farming, it shows how little this government thinks of those who literally feed the nation.

The ACE was totally out of line doing what they did, and the Federal government is totally out of line doing as they have done with continued appropriations, insufficient, and inefficient oversight of the agencies they fund.

Honestly, if there is no balance of power, no respect for private property, no demand for accountability, it really rests on the people.If you fail to elect people to actually represent you, then you should be happy with the way things are going.

Since I am not happy with the way things are going, and the dwindling opportunities for my children, I support any candidate that actually understands the Constitution and has proven they will fight to provide our children with the freedom I myself wish we had. Sorry to say, Emerson is not that candidate in this 8th District Congressional race.

It is going to take me awhile to get those pics up. Look for yourself and see if it looks like it's worth over 2k a foot to you.

-- Posted by Dreen on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 8:06 PM

Are you saying the work done to this point was not worth it? Did you take pictures at every area that was breached? Do you build levees or know what the specs are to build a levee? I sure don't...so I don't act like I know.

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 8:16 PM

The name "Newt Dobbs" is from a movie called "Lonesome Dove". You're not him are you? Probably just a fake name for a fake person. Why are we to believe anything you say?

"I sure don't...so I don't act like I know."(Newt Dobbs)

What dog do you have in the fight Newt? And who are you....really? You just commenting on here because you have nothing better to do all day? Or do you suppose you're sticking up for the farmers? You never claimed to be a farmer. It's odd that you are so defensive about the lack of oversight on this project. That, in and of itself is suspicious.

I think it is perfectly reasonable for us to hold accountable those who are holding the purse for all of us.

IF Jo Ann Emerson can stand up to the scrutiny, so be it, leave it alone, she's a big girl.

Point is, somebody has made a whole gob of money here, and government contracts are THE ticket for that. That's what makes the political world go around. To pretend Jo Ann isn't caught up in that game is pure foolishness!

I don't like my great-grandkid's money being messed with. We all know that that's what it comes down to.

Again, what dog do YOU have in this fight and who the heck ARE you?

David Hannes-8th District

-- Posted by dchannes on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 10:21 PM

I've been clear about what I know and don't know. I'll await an answer about where the pictured were taken. You Parker guys keep moving the goal posts. Make up your mind what the issue is. Funny you all ignore Mr. Wallace. That tells me all I need to know.

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 10:37 PM

"We don't rent pigs"--

I did not at all ignore Mr. Wallace. He is happy with the way he has been treated when he called Ms. Emerson's office and feels he was treated well by her. I respect his feelings on the subject, and realize he is likely the one here with the most emotional and physical energy invested in the issue, and that is important.

I still believe he has been robbed; although politely robbed.

Here are pictures if anyone cares to go and have a look:

http://truthfarmer.wordpress.com/2012/07...

I do admit that as far as protection from a swollen river goes, it is much better than nothing!

This issue is huge, and I think we probably don't really know how large of an issue it is. I, for one, am just tired of being robbed.

-- Posted by Dreen on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 10:58 PM

I for one am tired of people turning this into a political football. Mr. Wallace and his neighbors deserve better.

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 11:07 PM

Huh...finally you said something right. Mr Wallace and his neighbors do deserve better. They deserve to know the truth...as do we all. But all you seem to be able to offer is how to lick boots. While you thumb your nose at Americans.

I don't like your trick comment. You don't address issues, you just throw barbs. You seem to be content with the way things are because you are likely benefiting from the status quo.

And we still don't know who you are.

We're tired of politicians. We need Statesmen, not hucksters who are experts at the system and how to benefit themselves at our expense!

-- Posted by dchannes on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 12:00 AM

What you people don't know about this situation is scary. Yet, y'all continue to comment. I don't need better, JoAnn Emerson is the best. No one and I mean no one could have done a better job than her. And I guarantee no one would care as much as she does and everyone I talk to knows it.

Milus Wallace, Farmer in the Floodway

-- Posted by MilusWallace on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 7:06 AM

I don't have to live on the edge of a cliff to know it's scary. And I see you continue to comment as well.

Vote for the person you believe reps you. If that's her fine. But it's not true that there aren't others who could do a better job.

-- Posted by dchannes on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 8:15 AM

The only one attempting to turn this into a "political football" is the Emerson campaign. What's been done thus far is a disgrace if the figures that the Missourian reports have actually been spent are accurate.

Ms. Emerson is attempting to use this tragedy as a positive for her reelection campaign because she has nothing else other than her vote against obamacare. Make no mistake, she will Not lead the fight to repeal that in anyway shape or form as evidenced here.

http://joannemersonexposed.com/2012/07/0...

She's shown the proper amount of concern in a very public way over the tragedy that occurred at Birds Point. The facts are it remains unfinished. The people there deserve better and despite what anyone believes about this "complicated process" it could have easily been resolved.

Had it actually been the priority she claims it to be, all she would have had to do is make a call. In much the same manner as Mr. Wallace said she had done in the past.

Ms. Emerson, a ranking member of appropriations calling the Secretary of the Army and telling him that unless the projected is pushed forward immediately discretionary spending will be put on hold would have produced and will produce immediate results.

-- Posted by ddshea on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 9:39 AM

"I haven't seen Bob Parker or Mr. Shea at any of the meetings I have attended to discuss this levee - AND I have attended them ALL. This is my life, this is all I know. JoAnn has made it possible for all of us to carry on. If you want to gripe about the Corps, have at it. Please do not attack our hard working Representative. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Milus Wallace, Farmer in the Floodway"

That sums it up folks.

-- Posted by SterlingCooper on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 12:51 PM

According to the Missourian, 25 Million spent already, and 20 million more being spent currently if those figures are at all correct. Which we still don't know.

http://truthfarmer.wordpress.com/

I'd say the above article shows there are a lot more questions than answers or leadership being provided regarding this political boondoggle. In the end, the truth comes to light in all things. This will be no different.

With up to 45 million being spent thus far, I side more in line with delta grower's comment...

"If the Army had not bombed the Birds Point levee, local farmers would have rebuilt it for free last year. That would have saved money for the government."

-- Posted by delta grower on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 3:22 PM

Government rarely tends to get much right, especially these days. At least it has that in common with Ms. Emerson's voting record and performance as our representative over the last few years.

-- Posted by ddshea on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 3:35 PM

That link to truthfarmer or whatever is total BS. The pictures taken are only a small portion of the levee that was impacted. There are three sections of levee that were activated. That is a picture of only part of the first site. I'm an old Demcrat and I don't give a darn about who's done what, but that website is complete BS and so is the information contained in it. Somebudy better find another source.

-- Posted by Mudder on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 4:06 PM

Mudder,

BS? Really? You're talking about my wife's website. And she's one of the most hardworking, forthright, upfront and honest people I know. She doesn't lie. I bet you wouldn't say that to my face either. It's easy to talk big in cyberworld.

Now, I took those pictures of the 2 mile breach that the ACE blew myself. We drove the whole entire length of the inlet in the end of March 2012. The pictures are NOT of some "small portion" of the levee. The activated 3 sections were linked together to make the 2 mile breach.

We don't like seeing the current and the next generation being ripped off by ACE or our government. Maybe you don't care. You certainly haven't shown any documents. Seems all you can do is sling your handle around.

Has commonsense been thrown completely out of the window here?

I think 45 million dollars to rebuild that levee is WAY out of the ballpark. And we have the right to question it and get some answers from our government but we haven't been able to get any.

Where's the accountability?

Meanwhile... the farming men and women who grow our food over there in the floodway are stuck in the middle! It certainly isn't their fault.

-- Posted by dchannes on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 6:49 PM

Well, Mr. Hannes, then you and your wife are both wrong. That's not disrespect, that is fact. The levee runs over thirty miles along the river in Mississippi and New Madrid Counties. The Army blew three seperate holes in THREE different locations. Your wife's website only mentions ONE breach - that's the first inaccuracy. The other TWO Breaches occured miles from the location you are talking about, the last one in New Madrid County - inaccuracy TWO. There was a total of almost THREE Miles of levee blown at the THREE SEPARATE locations - inaccuracy THREE. You have no pictures of the other TWO Breach locations where levees were built - Inaccuracy FOUR. These levees aren't built straight up and in a straight line, so your math is wrong and misleading. They have to be built to certain widths and varied heights in different locations - Inaccuracy FIVE. The work done to this point was more than moving dirt. Water had to be pumped out, sand had to be dredged, borrow pits had to be bought. AND yes, dirt had to be moved - Innacuracy SIX. The Corps of Engineers did all of the work to this point, except for a small amount of haulin. There was no big boon to certain contractors - Innacuracy SEVEN. How are you gonna post a story and a link to it and only talk about ONE THIRD of the whole project?? I don't care who you vote for, but you people and your uninformed posts are stupid and sad. Thank GOD I don't have to choose between any of ya!

-- Posted by Mudder on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 7:34 PM

Any story by the Missourian that has been done includes one photo, typically. You want to criticize a lack of photos you might also choose to attack those writing pieces like the one upon which you are commenting on. How about a movie? I think those affected by this man made tragedy would like a voice. To include Mr. Wallace, who I believe commented earlier in this thread.

http://youtu.be/_Cgj6fpnUHg

What was done here was a man made disaster. It didn't and shouldn't have been allowed to occur. That said, it has occurred and those affected need to be made whole again.

What has been done to this point, is and remains a joke, especially considering 45 million dollars has been been committed and spent. If the Corps has done all the work aside from some hauling of dirt and pumping of water then in no way does that add up to what the Missourian claims itself has been spent to date and is committed in the future.

We don't know who or what companies received that money or exactly how much money in fact, and yet our people remain to this day, unprotected and insecure in their futures and livelihoods. This is unacceptable regardless of who is in office.

Come August or even November you can bet one thing is certain, this story and this tragedy won't be forgotten and the truth will come out no matter who is in office. Emerson has been ineffective in stopping this disaster and twice as ineffective at getting it resolved and restored.

-- Posted by ddshea on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 8:55 PM

Shea,

You are simply wrong. Emerson has done more than anyone will ever know. That isn't my opinion, it is fact. The link and story above is also wrong. No one that isn't living this every day has a clue about what is going on and what has been done. You and the othersd like you that continue to spread false informatin about this should be ashamed. This isn't an article in a paper or some political issue for people that don't live here to debate. It is our life!

Milus Wallace, Farmer in the Floodway

-- Posted by MilusWallace on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 9:15 PM

I talked with Mr. Parker about this issue a few months ago. This could have been prevented if we would have managed our resources better upstream. We need a leader who can look ahead and prevent a problem not someone who just throws money at a solution. You get this with Bob Parker. You also get a fiscal conservative that can do a lot with a little. Joann is no hero.

-- Posted by byejoann on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 10:08 PM

Mr. Wallace,

This isn't a "campaign thing". This is a justice thing to me. Long before I ever had the audacity, as an average citizen, once I left active duty service, to get involved, in a small level with anything remotely political, I saw what was done in your area of our state, and was outraged by it.

This should never have happened to good people, seeking only to make an honest living and doing all they can to provide for the rest of us who mostly have no idea where our food and the materials that make our clothing and other necessities of life come from.

This issue has nothing to do with politics for me, although I make no illusions about just how disgusted I am with our current representation in Congress, nor will I hide that fact. There are a multitude of other issues that make that case far beyond this one for me and anyone else who considers themselves a conservative and or a republican for that matter.

My Father and our family share cropped near the bootheel, on the Arkansas side close to the city of Blytheville for 5 generations. I've been brought up in that tradition. I've served my country faithfully for the better part of a decade and can't stand when good people are so outwardly wronged as you folks have been.

My first experience upon my leaving active duty was driving cross country and seeing the destruction of "small town America" all across our nation from California, my last duty station, back to the Midwest. Then it was detouring multiple times 60 miles out of my way to get around the man made devastation that was caused to visit my brother at Fort Campbell Kentucky while traversing Northern Arkansas and Southern Missouri looking for a place to settle down and put my roots.

I'll make you this solemn vow now, before God almighty, as a Christian and a two tour combat veteran, man to man, as I am sure you are, if you are in fact the man that was quoted and shown in the video I posted... I won't make one peep more about this tragedy that has been put upon you and your community from now until the primary election on August 7th, if you'll agree to meet with me after the election, regardless of how it turns out.

I am disgusted by what has happened at Birds Point and am fully committed to making the biggest noise I can about it until our levee get's rebuilt in a manner that will provide the protection necessary for all of you who do so much for us that goes unacknowledged and unappreciated.

What say you?

-- Posted by ddshea on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 10:17 PM

I am that man. Throw in an apology for the terrible things you have said and posted about JoAnn and to me for your mistatements on this issue and you have a deal. She is a fine Christian woman with a great family. You don't agree with her, fine. You want to work for her opponent, fine. The things I have read and seen go beyond that. Add to that your false statements that you push as fact about this issue and I think that is the least you can do. Do that and I will welcome you. I vote for the person, not the party or issues. From what I have seen and heard she is by far the better person.

Milus Wallace, Farmer in the Floodway

-- Posted by MilusWallace on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 10:37 PM

Mr. Wallace,

I will not, nor could I in good conscience do as you ask. I have seen Ms. Emerson's record and her family ties to Unions, Lobbyists, and special interests not to mention the fact that she has voted and continues to vote every session to destroy the Constitution I swore an Oath before God, to protect and defend against all enemies.

I would still very much like to meet with you to discuss the issues you are facing, politics aside, that I will do. I will not however apologize for the righteous indignation that Ms. Emerson has earned, via her voting record and inability to stand up for those she has been elected and charged to represent.

The choice is yours.

-- Posted by ddshea on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 10:59 PM

Mudder, they blew a 2mile segment that is called the "fuse plug". According to all documents available, there are two "plugs" that were blown on the levee, the inlet and the outlet, not three inlets and an outlet. If you have other documentation, I would like to see it.

The inlet segment was reportedly blown by three explosions, but it was a single 2 mile segment. Then they blew a quarter mile drain hole. Regardless of how many charges they exploded, the net effect, according to documentation available, is two significant breaches. One about a quarter mile long and one about 2 miles long.

We didn't go to the "drain hole", but the entire 2 mile hole we actually drove along. We took more pics, but the fact is that the pics show how it has been "restored" to this point. The photos I posted are from the full length of the 2 mile hole, not one small segment as Mudder says.

Obviously there were other things that had to be done, the point of using the dozer cost analogy was to put the dollar amount into a context which people could understand. The attack on the math regarding the cost per linear foot is spurious. A two mile breach is still a two mile breach. If you want to add the quarter mile segment to it, go ahead. I don't mind a bit.

The fact is, this issue is much bigger than any article to date, including the one I wrote and the little photographic essay I did, explains. The cost is tremendously significant, and tallying that cost is a monumental effort in and of itself.

The river management plan the ACE employs is faulty and that plan resulted in worsening the flooding last year. The loss of private property hasn't been calculated and the cost of blowing the levee up, "restoring" it, and crop loss is a national concern.

As I stated in a previous comment, this issue is much larger than an election issue to me. The most pertinent fact on this issue to the Congressional election we face here in the 8th is that Congress does control the funding of the agencies. They can affect the policies of the agencies through that control. The policies of ACE are indicative of the complete disregard that the agencies of the US federal government have for our citizens. Both those directly affected in the flood plain, and those directly affected by the out of control spending and waste that continues to spiral ever upward. The net effect of the destruction of farmland has an additional cost associated with it, and we are all affected by that.

The residents of the floodplain are the ones who are most affected by this, and I find the handling of the entire issue by the ACE highly offensive to commonsense and decency. If you think they've done a good job, then fine. I do not.

Until more documents are released, I don't see how we can have a full picture of the issue. What we do see leaves plenty to have concern over.

-- Posted by Dreen on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 8:20 AM

From the Army Corps of Engineers Memphis website:

"During the activation of the Birds Point - New Madrid Floodway, three artificial crevasses in the levee were opened

to allow floodwater to flow through the Floodway, reducing water elevations and pressure on the flood control

system. This project repairs the levee at the three crevasse locations to provide interim protection to a flood

elevation of 51 feet on the gage at Cairo, Ill. (39 feet on the gage at New Madrid).

The upper crevasse is located at Birds Point, near the confluence of the Mississippi and Ohio rivers. Repairs are

required for 9,000 feet of levee at this location. Work here includes filling five scour holes back to level grade,

repairing four levee segments and constructing one segment realignment.

The center crevasse is located near Seven Island Conservation Area. Repairs are required for 800 feet of levee at

this location. A scour hole developed here, connecting with the existing 1937 scour hole. The scope of work and

construction schedule will be determined following completion of an environmental assessment in mid-September.

The lower crevasse is located near Donaldson Point Conservation Area. Repairs are required for 4,700 feet of

levee at this location. Work here includes removing excess water at the foundation, and repairing the levee to the

interim grade."

This was the first project update in August of 2011. Many things, including the height of the levee changed after this initial report.

Here is the link: http://www.mvm.usace.army.mil/executiveo...

People that refuse to admit they are wrong when they have been proven fools scare me. God help this country

-- Posted by Mudder on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 9:01 AM

WOW! Can Mr. Wallace get that apology now?

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 11:16 AM

Unlike most of you people, I know how Bob Parker would solve this problem. Since he has failed to provide details to his ingenious solution, I am obliged to fill you all in.

Bob Parker plans to utilize his vast army of Parker Rangers to create a mobile flood wall. (See photo below)

http://www.semissourian.com/photos/16/94...

That right there folks is a Bob Parker flood wall. (I believe this photo maybe of a prototype but you get the idea)

This flood wall bears all the features of a quality Bob Parker project: It is obnoxious, plastered with lies, and doesn't accomplish a **** thing.

-- Posted by SterlingCooper on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 11:43 AM

Mudder, thank you for that document!

Sterling Cooper, I am just going to ignore you because you deserve it.

Seriously, I do not have a problem with getting additional facts at ALL. What I do take exception to is accusation without documentation and simple slandering. This document that you linked is not is not readily accessible. It seems to me that it really should be...Can you please provide a link to the exact web address where we can find more docs of this type?

So, to all concerned, I admit my ignorance of the breach at Seven Island, and I apologize for any confusion I may have caused because of it.

I do not apologize for castigating the ACE on their policy and their failure to manage the reservoirs on the Missouri that made the situation in our state much worse than it should have been. I still contend that it never should have even happened and we shouldn't even be having this conversation!

-- Posted by Dreen on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 12:46 PM

It wasn't just any breach! It is the biggest d**n issue of the whole project. One cannot know anything about the time and costs of this project without first examining that breach. The cost to repair that area and build a levee back was massive. Too much, maybe, but absolutely necessary and in no way a waste. I hope that you will take down your horribly uniformed article until you are willing to gather all of the facts. The information I provided is VERY easy to find. Google Memphis Corps of Engineers and click on the Birds Point Section. If that isn't "readily available" I'm not sure what is. I hope your fellow bloggers will follow suit with an apology. You have all disrespected everyone that lives and works there and that is fighting everyday to rebuild.

-- Posted by Mudder on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 1:11 PM

Also, Dreen, the Missouri really made no difference in this event. It was the rain that fell on the Ohio River Valley that pushed the plan in action. Please Please Please stop posting until you can educate yourself.

-- Posted by Mudder on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 1:47 PM

ddshea:

"Our Representative, Jo Ann Emerson could have taken care of this with one phone call, but as of yet has failed to do so. She likes to make it seem like she cares and comes down to take pictures from time to time or provides a quote for the papers when a story relating to the levee comes up, but if she was really serious about getting this tragedy rectified she could have done it with one phone call and I'll tell you how."

"Mr. Wallace,

This isn't a "campaign thing". This is a justice thing to me. Long before I ever had the audacity, as an average citizen, once I left active duty service, to get involved, in a small level with anything remotely political, I saw what was done in your area of our state, and was outraged by it."

Milus Wallace:

"Let me be clear...the people in Mississippi and New Madrid Counties would have gotten NO WHERE with the Corps of Engineers without JoAnn. Period, end of discussion. She was the first one to call a meeting prior to the activation, she was down here everyday up to the activation, and she has been back countless times sense. I took her in a boat to view the damage personally. This tragedy broke her heart and I have never been more proud of an elected official. Anytime I have had problems with the Corps on my ground one call directly to JoAnn and it is is fixed. Whether they are tearing up a road, or sitting idle, when I call her she makes a call and the Corps starts moving. It was JoAnn alone that got the Corps to agree to build us a temporary levee. She fought them again and got the General to agree to bring the temporary levee higher. That levee and the money spent to build it allowed me and many of my neighbors to survive last year and this. That wouldn't have happened without JoAnn Emerson. When the Corps wanted to take more farm ground for unneeded berms along the levee a call to JoAnn stopped it. She is the one that secured the money for the rebuild that is beginning now. She or her staff have attended every single monthly meeting the Corps holds. I have seen JoAnn with Generals and Colonels and it is clear that they listen to her."

Still waiting on that apology from such an "honorable" man....

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 5:05 PM

"Mr. Wallace,

I will not, nor could I in good conscience do as you ask. I have seen Ms. Emerson's record and her family ties to Unions, Lobbyists, and special interests not to mention the fact that she has voted and continues to vote every session to destroy the Constitution I swore an Oath before God, to protect and defend against all enemies.

I would still very much like to meet with you to discuss the issues you are facing, politics aside, that I will do. I will not however apologize for the righteous indignation that Ms. Emerson has earned, via her voting record and inability to stand up for those she has been elected and charged to represent.

The choice is yours."

-- Posted by ddshea on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 10:59 PM

Newt, read the above posted earlier, and my position remains the same.

-- Posted by ddshea on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 5:46 PM

You should apologize to Mr. Wallace for false statements and your political BS. You started commenting on this for purely political reasons and thencontradict yourself. He is a class act! You...???

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 6:42 PM

First of all I made no false statements to my knowledge. I've expressed my opinion. My Opinion is that this man made tragedy should have never happened. Period. I disagree with how it was handled by the Corps and our elected official, 16 year incumbent Jo Ann Emerson, who should have and still should use her power of the the purse position on the Appropriations committee to put leverage on the Corps to get this project finished. Not to mention adding the transparency that should be required, since this is a public project, being rebuilt with public funds, by putting out the information that I have formally requested twice now from their office via a freedom of information act requests.

These formal requests have thus far been ignored by the ACE with regard to public funds available, money spent thus far, and funds remaining to finish the project. In additional they also refuse to share information relating to contracts awarded, not contracts up for bid and what companies received them.

It is obvious, Mr/Ms/Mrs NewtDobbs your interest in this is purely political. My interests in this transcends politics. Again, I make no claim that I do not agree with, support, nor care to have our ineffective, Union, Lobbyist, Special Interest backed 16 year Liberal representative reelected. Regardless, I will keep pushing until I receive those document from the ACE.

I feel deeply for all those affected directly, as well as indirectly by this man made, unnecessary tragedy. The priority now is getting the levee rebuilt to standard, period.

I do however owe you nothing NewtDobbs, you can thank me and the millions of others who sacrificed greatly and put ourselves in harms way fighting for your freedom to make your remarks attempting to instigate a dispute instead of discussing solutions to a monumental issue facing our state and our farmers. That said, I stand by my previous comment.

-- Posted by ddshea on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 7:20 PM

You posted the link with bogus info, made numerous posts discussing the rebuild that are not true. Frankly, your "I'm a veteran so you shouldn't attack me" act is getting old. I served too. That has no bearing on this issue. You continue to post on these articles yet you don't live in the area, don't have accurate info, and to advance your moronic candidate. Obviously neither you or him has toured the whole project. That was made obvious today. Keep posting, the more you do, the more people see how uninformed and cowardly you are. At this point an apology from you would be pointless. God Bless Mr. Wallace and all the others that know what they are talking about.

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 7:53 PM

Seems like NewtDobbs is long on name calling and rudeness and short reason and debate skills.

-- Posted by dchannes on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 8:14 PM

That means nothing coming from someone that posted flat out false information as fact and the had to apologize. Shame!

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 9:09 PM

I think you are confused on your facts Newt. I never put out false information and sure didn't apologize for it.

-- Posted by dchannes on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 10:02 PM

NewtDobbs,

I highly doubt you've served as anything other than chief boot licker for our Congresswoman. I hear she (we) pays well, but on the off chance you have served our military which I again doubt, I'll stack my DD214 next to yours any day of the week as well as testimony of those with whom I have served.

Your pathetic antics to distract from this issue don't phase me. You can insult me and others who have reasonable questions all you or Ms. Emerson-Gladney like, that won't stop the truth from being brought out into the light of day. I hope it is as all of you claim, and everything is on the "up and up" but I highly doubt that to be the case.

-- Posted by ddshea on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 10:19 PM

That's right, Hannes, you have the BS on your website. The expert with the pictures.

-- Posted by NewtDobbs on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 10:35 PM

Ya know, when you post, it says, "be respectful of others". I guess some folks have a difficult time understanding what that means.

As I said, I didn't know about the Seven Island breach. The other two I knew about and the Seven Island breach is miniscule compared to the 9,000 foot breach that we visited in March.

I asked for documentation and said thank you when I rec'd it. If that makes me a fool, then reason has no place in this comment thread.

Everyone in this nation has been affected by the ACE blow up of Bird's Point. We all have a right to an opinion and we actually have a right to sincere indignation as well. It is our tax dollars that pay for both the mismanagement and the restoration.

Mudder seems to think that you can't discuss anything about the topic unless you have the intimate knowledge that someone who is, in one or another, financially benefiting would have.

I disagree. Even though I am not -in any way!- financially benefiting from this topic, I am affected by it, and interested in it. We are all paying for this tragedy in more ways than one. That gives us more than enough standing to ask questions and to be critical of the issue.

It doesn't help anyone to become more educated on a topic when you basically call them stupid and don't offer documentation, but simply sling mud at them for their efforts. If you know so much, then why don't you write it all out and give people the opportunity to examine the information you have?

The very first comment on this thread still holds. It is criminal what happened there. Being rude to me won't change that.

-- Posted by Dreen on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 8:44 AM

Sir, The Breach at Seven Island or more specifically, at Mr. Wallace's, is the biggest problem. The Corps did not blow the levee properly and it created a huge scour hole that complicated repairs and increased costs. All of us that are involved down here know that is the biggest problem. For you to say it is "miniscule", ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ADMIT TO NOT SEEING IT FIRST HAND, is disrespectful. The Northern breach is an easy inexpensive fix compared to the middle crevasse. Again, stop posting until you have the facts. Then I will show you some respect. The only financial benefit I am receiving is getting to put my crops in and have them protected. Thanks to the hard work of our leaders down here. I have never been more proud to be a Demcrat - you people are just plain silly.

-- Posted by Mudder on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 11:38 AM

Mudder,

1st. I agree with you Corps screwed up.

2nd. Though I didn't drive over there to the center crevasse, I had a good look at the scour hole via satellite. I can tell that it's huge. Did the ACE give the break down on cost for that area? All I can find are totals for all three.

3rd. Nobody on this comment thread OWNS the topic that is in debate here. The privilege to post here is granted by the SE Missourian. The newspaper has jurisdiction here. I guess if they want to shut it down they can.

Meanwhile, am still trying to get all the facts on the issue. And this issue, including the ACE's decision to not lower the levels of upriver reservoirs earlier and the saving of Cairo in favor of destroying a levee that protects some of best farm land around is HUGE.

I DO have a right to ask questions about how unelected bureaucrats spend our tax dollars and the manner in which congress does or doesn't oversee that. And that's NOT out of line...or "disrespectful". Especially in these days of bailouts and handouts and in the light of the trillions of dollars this country is in debt for!

Or do I get told to move along, nothing to see here and stop posting, again? Frankly, I can't understand why you're so defensive.

By the way, I disagree that I'm plain silly. I'm plain aggravated. Maybe people need to be bothered by my questions. Getting to the truth IS bothersome most of the time.

I suppose I'm being un-American for questioning the government! Sheesh!

-- Posted by dchannes on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 1:38 PM

They blew the levee because it is the LAW!! That too is something that you can google. The law states that at a level of 61' and rising the floodway has to be activated. Is it right, NO. Did the Corps screw up, YOU BET. But I don't know how you get around a federal LAW! Glad you saw those satellite pictures...you really get it now I guess? Unless you were there from beginning to now you don't understand. I don't care how much money they spend they OWE us! All you are doing is helping out the enviro whackos with that money talk. I don't know where you live, but I wish you would stay there and out of this.

-- Posted by Mudder on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 1:57 PM

Also, is it "miniscule" or "huge" - I'm confused??

-- Posted by Mudder on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 2:00 PM

Well, I said it was a "huge" problem. I never said "miniscule".

Speaking of "enviro whackos", I heard some gossip about them wanting to turn the floodway back into a swamp. That would be the very dumbest thing to do. That, what is it, 180 square miles of farmland over there feeds a heck of a lot of people.

I'm not sure if it was a law or authority via regulation. You got the statute? Either way, the farmer got screwed again....and so did the consumer and taxpayer. They would have come out cheaper if they'd have let Cairo flood a little bit and paid for the damages there. As it is, Mo. Dept of Ag projected 85 million dollars of crops were lost last year because of blowing the levee. So that's another part of the saga.

I see what you're getting at when you say they OWE ya'll. But I don't see how I'm helping the "enviro whackos" out because of money talk.

So you know...I live out it the sticks in southern Missouri. The reason I take issue with this is because I hate seeing the people who grow everybody's food getting drug through the mud. It isn't right. And what hurts them hurts the rest of us.

-- Posted by dchannes on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 4:36 PM

"and the Seven Island breach is miniscule compared to the 9,000 foot breach that we visited in March."

What am I missing. Again, this is the biggest problem and concer,

-- Posted by Mudder on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 6:28 PM

OK. I looked back at the comments and that is a comment from my wife. She said she meant it was small in footage as compared to 1 and 3. I honestly didn't know the scour at 7 Island was such big problem until you pointed it out and I looked at satellite imagery (Of course NOW...I'm going through all the ACE Memphis Division updates).

The info was garnered from news articles and tv broadcasts because at the time it happened... that's all there was to go by. So I guess the media was misinformed as well. Surprise.

Look, the last thing we want to do is spread misinformation. So even though this may be aggravating to you, your help in understanding this travesty is appreciated.

Do you have the statute(law) that you mentioned earlier? The one that says they had to blow the levee when the river gets to 61' and is rising?

Check this article out from Reuters dated 4/20/11:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/3...

"I'm pleased that the court quickly rejected Missouri's request. The Army Corps must have the ability to take any action necessary to protect lives and homes in Cairo and the surrounding communities," Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan said in a statement.

Thanks.

-- Posted by dchannes on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 7:52 PM

Dchannes,

Why do you insist on rehashing this fight that's over a year old. The courts ruled, same as they ruled in the past. They cited the law directing the corps to act, it's all there for you to research with minimal effort. If you are looking to make this a campaign issue, why? Everyone knows folks in the bootheel pull dem ballots in primaries...

-- Posted by SamTheEagle on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 8:38 PM

Sam,

I think I've stated "why" sufficiently in my previous posts.

-- Posted by dchannes on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 9:05 PM

I have to agree with Sam. It is part of the flood control act and, yes, it IS LAW. It is all easy to find that wants to find it. I'm also not buying the "news coverage" line. You were discussing too many details. I'm tired of teaching. If you mean well, find it yourself.

-- Posted by Mudder on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 10:22 PM

Also, if you would read the Missourian Articles or the other local papers you would know all about the huge problem at the middle crevasse. They always discuss it and Mr. Wallace has been interviewed numerous times. As have many other locals. By viewing your website, I do question your motives. I will not post on this thread any more. You really should apologize for that website and retract the terrible story. Again, we have been treated great by our leaders down here. Our commissioners, Emerson, and Gov. Nixon. All good leaders.

-- Posted by Mudder on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 10:38 PM

I IS law, kind of.. But it's what we call "soft" law. The decision when and how to activate the floodway is authorized by the Flood Control Act. It's at the discretion of the M. R. Comission and ACE. There's no hard and fast statute per se.

In other words they can do whatever they THINK is right. And because of the Flood Control Act the only remedy if you don't agree with them, is to take them to court and present the case to a judge who probably feels that he has no authority to rule against the authority granted by the F. C. Act. Which I believe is what happened last year a la Jay Nixon. The judge ruled in favor of the ACE and there was appeal and that was that. They blew it up.

Again, the website you refer to is my wife's blog. I didn't write anything in her article. She did use my pictures though. Nothing to apologize for there; they're just pictures of what we saw. She DID make some corrections on her blog at truthfarmer.wordpress.com in light of the info that you helped point to.

In conclusion, I just want to point out that you and I have the same leaders. I've dealt with them before on various pieces of legislation and have not been happy. But they seem to have been helpful too you guys over there in the floodway. That's good. But they have been on the wrong side of the ball on way too many other issues to suite me.

I WILL research the SE Missourian articles because it's WAY more than a campaign issue it's a federal policy issue. With that said, I need to go pick beans.

-- Posted by dchannes on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 12:50 PM


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