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Speak Out 5/1/12

Tuesday, May 1, 2012

Barbaric traps

I read about the mice overpopulation at Cape Girardeau Central Junior High. We are resorting to glue traps. They are slow, painful and inhumane, and they provide death for a basic creature. Compassion starts at the bottom level. If a person does not have respect for basic creatures, how will they learn respect for people? Yes, they need to be removed, but glue traps? It's barbaric.

Change, please

I'd like to know why several restaurant employees around the Cape Girardeau area think that it is an OK practice to not return a customer's change after paying for a meal. I have been to many restaurants in the last several months that this has happened. The meal and the atmosphere were great and I was willing to leave a tip for the waitress or waiter, but they failed to return my 50 cents or dollar change. That ruins the whole atmosphere of the meal and the atmosphere of the evening because an employee was too lazy to return a minute amount of change.

Worst Speak Out

I have seen some ignorant and misinformed comments in Speak Out. But, the one referring to austerity budgets in Europe is the worst. The reader declares that the only way to stop austerity budgets from destroying the United States, as is happening in Europe, is to re-elect Obama. Europe is in trouble because those countries have spent too much money on social giveaway programs. If we have to enact austere measures in the United States, it will be because of Obama and his spending. In Europe young, healthy adults are writing and basically saying, "What do you mean you want to take away my free stuff?"


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Barbaric traps

Let the kids stomp them.

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Worst Speak Out

Obama is a problem

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Have a good day!

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 7:23 AM

Barbaric traps: Caller, get a life. Worry about the kids education and not the mice.

Change, please: That might be the only way some table servers can get a tip.

Worst Speak Out: Agree with you. The young people in Europe are like those here that have grown up freeloading.

Usama bin Laden has been in Hell for one year now.

-- Posted by semo471 on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 8:37 AM

The proof is in the fact that dispite the austerity cuts in budgets, these contries continue to fail. The ONLY way for a country to pull out of it is by investing in our LONG TERM FUTURE. Not the narrow vision of the G NO P. This means our children, their education and infrastructure. We only boom (historically) when we invest in our country. No by cutting folks off and letting them die off.

-- Posted by Mudflopper on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 8:47 AM

So semo471, are you saying that you cannot care about kids' education and animal welfare simultaneously? I don't think the article writer is the one who needs to get a life...

Maybe you can explain why it's necessary to slowly torture a mouse to death when you can off it relatively quickly and painlessly? I don't think you realise how bad glue traps are.

-- Posted by HenryC80 on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 4:41 PM

1) Good call on these. I've quite a few horror stories to share about these things, working in a wildlife rehab centre. Glue traps should be outlawed, and good for you on speaking up on them. Ignore semo471, sounds like a glue trap user who'd rather avoid discussion about them than face up to some home truths.

2) One dollar isn't much to fret about, but yes, they should give you the correct change otherwise it's stealing.

3) Agreed. However, there should always be a safety net, everyone's circumstances are different.

-- Posted by HenryC80 on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 4:46 PM

Glue traps are nasty things. My former office used those and we would occasionally come back on Monday morning to find mice that had been trapped for a couple days and had spent that time gnawing away at their legs and breaking their own bones in the struggle. Once a co-worker tried to help free a recently trapper mouse using what the glue trap company recommended for releasing the glue. The mouse was indeed released.... however it's four little feet stayed connected to the glue trap and I was forced to stomp the now free but unfortunately footless mouse to quickly end its misery.

A good old fashioned mousetrap will usually snap the spinal cord and put a mouse away quickly and efficiently. The glue traps are just sadistic.

-- Posted by Nil on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 4:55 PM

It should be mandatory to check the traps frequently at least, if they have to use them. What a terrible story, nothing should die like that, and it just reaffirms in my mind that these things should not be allowed to be sold to the general public. Amazes me sometimes how heartless and thoughtless people can be, especially seemingly normal people.

-- Posted by HenryC80 on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 5:04 PM

That's a good point Rick. The glue traps tend to be covered in urine and faeces, especially if the animal has been on it overnight.

-- Posted by HenryC80 on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 5:12 PM

How so, Wheels? I don't like pointless cruelty to animals, full stop (part of my day job is to rehabilitate injured wildlife). Saying that these traps are unnecessarily cruel and should be prohibited isn't really a stretch, it's rather reasonable. As for your abortion comment, how is that even relevant to anything I have said, or the issues related to the above snippets? I'm not going to answer a question that will potentially derail the topic. Want to talk about abortion? There are other articles about it.

-- Posted by HenryC80 on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 5:24 PM

Rick, that was the fleas, really. Actually, no, it was the humans who started the plague. They transported the rats to Europe after killing off all their natural predators because they were the "devil" and the less said of hygiene practices then, the better. Humans had a much, much bigger role spreading the plague than the rats could have ever achieved (after all, the plague moved faster than the rats could travel).

-- Posted by HenryC80 on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 5:28 PM

Wheels: Looks like we both had our comments about the bike rider and his strange condition remove, must have offended some tender hearted person.

So semo471, are you saying that you cannot care about kids' education and animal welfare simultaneously? I don't think the article writer is the one who needs to get a life..-- Posted by HenryC80 on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 4:41 PM

HenryC80: I don't give a rat's a** about killing mice.

-- Posted by semo471 on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 9:10 PM

I guess the eraser fairy flew by me...-- Posted by Rick.... on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 8:34 PM

Rick: Your comment about the bike rider was also deleted. Funny that the subject matter was on national TV but not on Speakout comments.

-- Posted by semo471 on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 9:23 PM

Wheels, you do not even know my stance on abortion. Stop with the pathetic strawmans please, this is neither the time nor place for such a topic. This has nothing to do with prioritising humans over animals, or vice versa. Just because someone states something is cruel to an animal, and that they shouldn't be so cruel, doesn't mean they're placing animals above humans.

Semo471, that very well may be, but that doesn't mean you should tell people to "get a life" just because they are showing some compassion and respect for other living things. Perhaps you should get some too.

-- Posted by HenryC80 on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 3:21 AM

See, that's the thing. You don't. You don't have the slightest clue. There is no tunnel vision. One of the topics in contention is about the use of glue traps, not abortions. It is as simple as that.

This is most definitely a strawman, because you are immediately assuming I am putting animals above humans based on not answering a completely irrelevant question to the issue at hand.

-- Posted by HenryC80 on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM


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