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Speak Out 12/2/11

Friday, December 2, 2011

Elderly, taxes

WHY can't you take the elderly off the school tax? I can't even buy Christmas for my family, not even the smallest of babies. Many states and cities don't make the elderly pay the high school taxes. It's like you are waiting for Scrooge to come at the end of every year.

One percent

I am stick and tired of hearing people say it's the 1 percent of Americans who are causing all of our problems. It's driving me nuts. It is not the 1 percent who are responsible for our decline and inevitable fall. It is the 0.1 percent.

School criticism

CONSTRUCTIVE criticism of schools should be allowed in Speak Out. In fact, it should be encouraged. However, using words like epistemology and pedagogy to discuss an area school crosses the line, especially in a newspaper that claims to be family friendly. I am stunned beyond belief that you would allow the publication of such scatological stuff.

Reflective striping

INSTEAD of all the fuss over the deer problem, which only a few have complained about, why not worry about bigger problems that affect the majority of the residents, like finding a paint or reflector for the lines in the street that actually shows up when it is raining? I was almost hit three times recently.

Smoking, parade

TO the person who wrote about the smoking problem, people can do what they want. It is still America. If you were out watching a beautiful parade and all you can find to whine about was people smoking, maybe it's you that has the problem.

Worn flag

PLEASE replace the American flag at Southeast Hospital outside of the building. It is worn really badly. Thank you.

School taxes

YOU people that are complaining about having to pay school taxes because you don't have kids in school, I have a question for you. I have lived here over 20 years and have never had to call the fire department. Does that mean I should get a refund from the fire department?


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Most likely (or definitely!) MediCare will not be around when I retire and I don't use it. Can I keep that money please? Let the seniors who do use it pay! LOL

-- Posted by redhawkstudent on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 12:03 AM

"scatological"

School criticism, Wow! How low will this papers editors stoop?

-- Posted by hello7777 on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 4:57 AM

Elderly taxes...can you think of a better gift for a child? Education! Hmmmm....

School criticism...well at least they weren't disgusting with their terminology...Problem is, since it is no longer "in the news", I dare say nothing has changed.

Reflective stripping....I would like to see this as well. Perhaps this would deter the deer from crossing too!

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 7:46 AM

I hope all of you young liberals enjoy paying for the spending spree Obama is doing now. You made your own bed by voting for him.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 8:23 AM

Wheels: Hope your 100,000 mile checkup is AOK.

Taxes: If you don't want to pay the taxes required to live in the city, then move. There are plenty of caves around here that you can live in.

Most likely (or definitely!) MediCare will not be around when I retire and I don't use it. Can I keep that money please? Let the seniors who do use it pay! LOL-- Posted by redhawkstudent on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 12:03 AM

redhawkstudent: Your opinion was similar to mine back in the day, but as you age your opinion likewise will change.

Reflective stripping....I would like to see this as well. Perhaps this would deter the deer from crossing too!-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 7:46 AM

Theorist: I agree with you, all deer in the city should have reflective stripping put on their backs so they can be seen.

-- Posted by semo471 on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 8:28 AM

Rick said "Elderly, taxes....because taxes should be paid by all"

Renters do not pay property taxes. Many renters to have kids.

-- Posted by ziggie on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 8:48 AM

Waiting for Scrooge---After all, what would Christmas be without Scrooge.

-- Posted by voyager on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 10:17 AM

Melange...I would suppose people without children in the school district would not have an interest in whether they go to a dress code or not. Obviously you do, but I guess I don't understand why.

You seem a bit bitter towards the school district. I think it is likely you have a legitimate complaint as you seem very thorough in your thought processes. I am not sure which district has disappointed you, but I would ask that you do not paint the entire district and their employees with the same brush. I personally know excellent teachers in all of the local districts.

I do not support the voucher system.

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 12:25 PM

Re: elderly, taxes - one option might be to move the due date from 31 December to 30 June, just before the stores put out their Christmas stuff :-)~

Another might be to budget for taxes throughout the year, salting a little away each month in an envelope or the like.

Another might be to change one's perspective. Where one pays into Social Security in anticipation of a future benefit, view school taxes as paying for a past benefit. If one lives to the point of being elderly, then one has obviously had the use of this past benefit longer, thus it only makes sense that one should be obligated to pay more for it. :-)~

-- Posted by fxpwt on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 12:45 PM

Me'Lange, I've said it before and I will say it again, I applaud your interest in the local school district. ☺

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 1:02 PM

For the record, I too applaud community involvement. My point was not to keep any additional thoughts, input or help away! My intent was to suggest the district would be doing a survey of the student's families to see what their opinions were, and uniform feasibility.

A mailed survey can be very expensive. By sending questionnaires via students, money is saved. Even if the survey was mailed out...it would make sense to first find out if students/families were interested.

Of course there are dress codes! Did I imply otherwise? And...I believe teachers are also held to these standards, at least where I have been involved. Again, without knowing the district/school you are referencing, I truly cannot supply input. Within a district, different school administration would be the ones enforcing teacher and student dress code.

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 6:55 PM

I feel like I could benefit from a "100,000 mile checkup" today. Like to know which of my forum buddies hit me with their vehicle, and then threw it in reverse and backed over me for good measure?

-- Posted by Me'Lange on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 4:24 PM

Me'Lange: It wasn't me.

School Dress Codes: Dress codes for students and teachers are fine but the codes have to be enforced with everybody treated fairly. Teachers monitor the students and the principal / vice principal monitor the teachers.

-- Posted by semo471 on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 8:24 PM

If one lives to the point of being elderly, then one has obviously had the use of this past benefit longer, thus it only makes sense that one should be obligated to pay more for it. :-)~

-- Posted by fxpwt on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 12:45 PM

fxpwt: Since older people drive on the highways longer, does this mean they have to pay more highway taxes or do the taxes expire after a certain age......the list goes on and on.

-- Posted by semo471 on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 8:30 PM

Recently read, on the interweb, that Americans hav eincreased caloric intake by an average of 500 calories/ day over the past twenty years. This is due mainly to added sweeteners. Since, diabetics, obesity and childhood caries among others have been booming. Our sweetened diets affect our Bodies to crave food much like addicts do drugs. It's a no brainer why med insurance costs are up. Additionally, by percentage the people who who rely on this artificial rubbish as nutrition increases down the socioeconomic ladder. Therefore, taxpayers are paying for the food that is killing people and then paying again to keep them alive. Why can we not have parameters on what welfare will by with respect to food? With focus in prevention, how can this be ignored?

-- Posted by bebacksoon on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 11:24 PM

Recently read, on the interweb, that Americans hav eincreased caloric intake by an average of 500 calories/ day over the past twenty years. This is due mainly to added sweeteners. Since, diabetics, obesity and childhood caries among others have been booming. Our sweetened diets affect our Bodies to crave food much like addicts do drugs. It's a no brainer why med insurance costs are up. Additionally, by percentage the people who who rely on this artificial rubbish as nutrition increases down the socioeconomic ladder. Therefore, taxpayers are paying for the food that is killing people and then paying again to keep them alive. Why can we not have parameters on what welfare will by with respect to food? With focus in prevention, how can this be ignored?

-- Posted by bebacksoon on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 11:32 PM

bebacksoon: "Therefore, taxpayers are paying for the food that is killing people and then paying again to keep them alive. "

You have your logic backwards. An obese person does cost more to insure than a healthy person of the same age, but they die years earlier on average. The lifetime cost of medical care for obese individuals is actually lower than for healthy individuals (smokers tend to have the lowest lifetime costs). Not to mention the years shaved off of social security and pension costs make the obese far less of a burden on government services than the healthiest citizens are.

Here is just one study on the lifetime healthcare cost of the obese: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18254...

"METHODS AND FINDINGS:

With a simulation model, lifetime health-care costs were estimated for a cohort of obese people aged 20 y at baseline. To assess the impact of obesity, comparisons were made with similar cohorts of smokers and "healthy-living" persons (defined as nonsmokers with a body mass index between 18.5 and 25). Except for relative risk values, all input parameters of the simulation model were based on data from The Netherlands. In sensitivity analyses the effects of epidemiologic parameters and cost definitions were assessed. Until age 56 y, annual health expenditure was highest for obese people. At older ages, smokers incurred higher costs. Because of differences in life expectancy, however, lifetime health expenditure was highest among healthy-living people and lowest for smokers. Obese individuals held an intermediate position. Alternative values of epidemiologic parameters and cost definitions did not alter these conclusions."

-- Posted by Nil on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 2:53 AM

I am not sure what point I validated, but you're welcome.

I think dress codes for teachers would be just fine. A few may complain, but I think most would be compliant. However, not black pants! Teaching can be, often is, a dirty job. Black would be the worst to keep looking nice through out the day.

Khaki would be the most forgiving, navy would be easier than black.

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 5:46 AM

Me'Lange & Theorist: I wore black pants and white shirts while in a Catholic grade school. Agree khaki would have been better but back then it wasn't available. Uniforms make all the kids equal and they can go about the business of learning.

-- Posted by semo471 on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 8:25 AM

Does every student dressed the same make for a higher education to the overall student body or a social statement ? Does everyone dressed the same make a student smarter ?

-- Posted by Rick * * on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 10:28 AM

It levels the playing field, so to speak. If everyone is wearing the same thing, it takes class envy and social status (based on wealth) out of the picture. More focus can then be placed on actual learning.

With school closets and exchanges, as the students grow, they can trade uniforms. When they graduate they can donate to the closet.

Works....I've seen it!

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 11:35 AM

Herman Cain droped out of the Presidential race. Liked his ideals but his "baggage" did him in. Looks like it's down to Gingrich or Romney to battle Obama.

-- Posted by semo471 on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 5:35 PM

Herman is gone back to making pizzas, no more 999 this guy was something else and a good rapper very smooth talker.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 7:29 PM


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