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Federal prosecutor: Clay Waller confessed to murder of estranged wife; more details released of evidence

Friday, September 9, 2011

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Clay Waller, center, is escorted to a police vehicle after a court hearing at the Cape Girardeau County Courthouse in Jackson on Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2011, where he appeared on charges of stealing and harassment.
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Clay Waller confessed to his father that he murdered his estranged wife and buried her in a hole he dug beforehand, federal prosecutor Larry Ferrell said Thursday in a federal courtroom.

In addition, Ferrell said, strong physical evidence links Waller to the crime, including blood that police collected from Waller's Jackson home. Blood evidence was taken from two walls and from carpet that had been cut from the floor and hidden in a basement crawl space. DNA testing confirmed that the blood belonged to Jacque Waller, Ferrell said.

"This defendant, I will argue in this case, has murdered Jacque Waller," Ferrell said. " ... The defendant confessed to murder. He dug a hole before he committed the murder and then buried Jacque Waller in it."

A grand jury indicted Waller on Wednesday on charges of making a physical threat on the Internet against Jacque Waller's sister, Cheryl Brenneke. On Thursday, Magistrate Judge Lewis Blanton presided over an hourlong hearing in U.S. District Court to consider Ferrell's motion that Waller be held without bond. Through his federal public defender, Scott Tilsen, Waller pleaded not guilty.

Jacque Waller's case is relevant, Ferrell said, because it shows that Waller -- who allegedly made threats to his wife before her June 1 disappearance -- is capable of carrying out his threats.

"He made threats against Jacque and then he killed her," Ferrell said. "He made threats against Jacque's sister. He poses a great danger to the community and he is a serious flight risk."

Originally, Ferrell asked that the hearing be moved to the assisted-care facility of Clay Waller's 71-year-old father, James Waller. Ferrell wanted the judge to hear what Clay allegedly told his father about murdering Jacque, saying it was

the most "persuasive" form of testimony. James Waller is infirm and could not be moved to the courtroom, but Ferrell added he is competent mentally.

Judge Blanton denied that motion and continued the hearing until Monday at noon to discuss the admission of a deposition from Clay Waller's father. Blanton said moving the hearing to the assisted-living facility was "extraordinary" and might prohibit the public's access, which he did not want to do.

Continuing the hearing until Monday would allow Ferrell to arrange for the deposition of James Waller.

'Form of torture'

Tilsen argued, however, that Clay Waller should be released. Waller is being held by U.S. marshals in isolation at the Pemiscot County Jail. Tilsen was told by authorities that Waller is not in isolation for his protection but because of his law enforcement background. Isolation, Tilsen said, is a "form of torture."

Additionally, no state charges have been brought against his client, Tilsen said. Clay Waller has no criminal background and he didn't flee before his arrest even though he knew his wife's disappearance was being investigated.

"The bulk of his family is here, his job is here," Tilsen said.

A Cape Girardeau County prosecutor has called Clay Waller a suspect in his wife's disappearance, but the federal prosecutor's statements in court are the first evidence made public to link Clay Waller to a crime in his wife's disappearance.

Clay was the last person known by police to have seen his wife. He told authorities she left the home where Clay was staying in Jackson on foot the afternoon of June 1.

Several other details about what happened on the day of Jacque's disappearance were made public Thursday with the release of an FBI affidavit that was prepared by Special Agent Brian Ritter.

For example, when Clay Waller reported Jacque missing, he told police that Jacque was coming to his home that night to bring him a key from their post office box. He said they sat and talked and then took a nap.

After the nap, Waller told police, the two started to argue about finances and then Jacque left the residence on foot. He later told officials that she left on foot because he threw her keys in a tree and she could not reach them.

The next evening, a state search warrant was executed at Waller's residence, the affidavit says, and some items of evidence were seized. During the search, officers saw that some children's play mats and toys had been placed on some carpet in a hallway area.

Blood splatter

The officers did not examine the floor under the mats that night, but police searched the residence again June 6 with the consent of the home's owner, who is not Clay Waller. The homeowner reported to police that a carpet was missing from the residence.

During that search, Ritter and a member of the Cape Girardeau Police Department found and collected blood spatter evidence from two walls inside the residence.

The search of the home continued two days later, when police found several pieces of cut-up carpet and carpet padding from a crawl space in the basement. The carpet pieces and pad were hidden out of view in the back of the crawl space. One piece of cut-up carpet had a large blood stain on it and was hidden separate from the others, the document says. The Missouri State Highway Patrol Crime Lab later reported that blood on the walls and the blood on the piece of carpet contained Jacque Waller's DNA.

Jacque's father, Stan Rawson, said he already knew about much of the information that Ferrell presented in court Thursday. Rawson said it should just offer further proof to the public that Clay Waller killed his daughter.

"Now you know why I was so emphatic about the fact that he did it," Rawson said. "I knew he did it. There's no doubt in my mind he did it. I have never had a doubt."

Traditionally, prosecutors are reluctant to file murder charges without a victim's body, regardless of other evidence.

The later death threats against his other daughter, Cheryl, also worried him as soon as he heard about them, especially until Waller was arrested and put in jail on state charges of theft and harassment.

"He'd done it once, he'd do it twice," Rawson said.

Kitchen accident

During interviews, Clay Waller did offer explanations for the blood found at his home. When he was interviewed by Ritter in July, Waller was asked if his wife had ever been injured in the house in Jackson. According to the affidavit, Waller paused and said yes but that he did not want to talk about it. Waller allegedly added "it was not a big deal." He later told the special agent that Jacque was injured June 1 as the result of an accident in the kitchen that caused her face to bleed.

"She started bleeding like a ... a lot," Waller said, according to the document.

Waller told Jacque to run to the bathroom and said she used her hands to catch the blood and ran through the house toward the master bedroom. He then claims that she tripped in a hallway and fell down.

According to Clay Waller's version, Jacque fell back down and laid there. He also said she was "thrashing around." But Clay said he and Jacque cleaned up the blood together. Waller admitted to police he cut up and removed the carpet with the blood and hid it in the crawl space so his landlords wouldn't think anything wrong had happened there. Throughout the affidavit, Clay Waller maintains his innocence.

Online threat

The 10-page affidavit also lays out how law enforcement confirmed that Waller made the threat against Brenneke on the Topix website. Brenneke has temporary custody of the Wallers' triplets and she saw the following words on the website: "You are dead I promise if those kids get hurt, your fault, accident, nobody's fault. Your dad threaten clay, I know he's all talk, I will get you 5, 10, 25 years from now. You have it coming." The user name was Cherl.

Brenneke notified the authorities that she was fearful and that she suspected Clay Waller. Topix administrators told police that the Internet service provider was Charter Communications. The address belonged to the employee of a Cape Girardeau pawnshop, who told police she had let Clay Waller use her computer on the date the posting was made. The employee checked the history and saw that the Topix website had been visited. A video surveillance system in the shop also shows Waller entering the entrance of the shop that day.

In open court Thursday, Tilsen said that it was a "conditional threat," though he never said Clay made it.

"It was 'If my children got hurt,'" Tilsen said. "What parent hasn't thought, or even said, something to somebody like that out of concern for their children?"

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Hmm. Bet that confession won't hold up in court. Hearsay? This is turning into a circus of rumors. Let's see something concrete.

-- Posted by Iceburg on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 12:21 PM

Yes. He Confessed. It was in court there Iceburg. Get over it. He's gone.

-- Posted by Hot Dog on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 12:47 PM

Way to drive home your point BTW.

-- Posted by aardvarkk on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 12:49 PM

Well an alleged confession to your father in a nursing home is probably not going to seal the deal. They are going to need him to admit he did it and a location of the body

-- Posted by gunn1217 on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 12:51 PM

and for the record I am not a supporter of Clay his actions or anything else, I am however a believer in the justice system and When the prove he did it i would be willing to push the plunger on the I.V. at his execution. But they may need more than this confession

-- Posted by gunn1217 on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 12:54 PM

I've asked this question a dozen times, but noone responds: How do you pronounce the name? Is it "Jackie" or similar to "Jock"?

-- Posted by southeastredhawks on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 1:01 PM

jackie is my interpretation

-- Posted by gunn1217 on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 1:06 PM

They are getting a depostion so clay's dad can talk. That is admissible. KFVS12 has more info.

-- Posted by meand me on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 1:23 PM

A US Asst Attorney is not going to announce a confession like that in court if it will not hold up. It's not a rumor. They know better, it could ruin the case if it was. Really people think about it!

-- Posted by thtrgurl on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 1:28 PM

Personally, I don't care about the whole innocent until proved guilty in a case like that with 4 motherless children. That man is a murderer

-- Posted by happypappies on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 1:33 PM

southeastredhawks- have you not listened to the news or anything?? And why does it even matter how you say her name?

-- Posted by justanothergirl on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 1:37 PM

Im sorry but that is heresay! I know this because im in LE. Without him actually telling a LE or giving a sworn statement there is nothing the prosecutors can do at this point!

-- Posted by Jax12 on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 1:54 PM

Thank you, gunn1217.

Justanothergirl...I do not live in the area anymore, so no, I have not listened to the news. It doesn't really matter what her name is, but you have to admit that it is an unusual spelling for Jackie, so I was just interested.

-- Posted by southeastredhawks on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 2:16 PM

Ohh oh

-- Posted by Yankee Station on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 2:40 PM

Definitely worth the trip to KFVS site. Lots more info there.

-- Posted by chocolatte on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 3:07 PM

It's bad when your own father drops a dime on you!

-- Posted by Yankee Station on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 3:40 PM

The vise is clamped shut!!

-- Posted by vietnamvet on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 3:54 PM

All they need now is a forensic pathologist to come in and testify that the blood splatters were consistent with a fatal blow. Corpus Delecti established, no need to find the body.

-- Posted by Yankee Station on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 4:10 PM

Where's her body?

-- Posted by truthselfevident on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 4:22 PM

Read the affidavit with Jacque's log of threats... What she and those poor children went through - I hope she is at peace now.

-- Posted by eileen113 on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 4:40 PM

All that evidence the police have had access to, and we spectators have not seems to indicate that they really DID have a reason to dismiss "sightings." Also seems to indicate that those closest to the Wallers may have actually known what they were talking about when they said Clay did it. How about that? Funny how that works!

-- Posted by chocolatte on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 4:56 PM

Affidavit against Waller:

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfvs12/ne...

KFVS's coverage:

http://www.kfvs12.com/story/15405619/new...

Innocent till proven guilty in court, but I will admit... this doesn't look good for the federal threatening charge. Why would someone suspected of murder threaten another? Not a good behavior choice.

-- Posted by Me'Lange on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 2:12 PM

After reading the affidavit you only think it "I will admit... this doesn't look good for the federal threatening charge." So the blood found on the walls and the carpet in his house that she never lived in and had her dna doesn't seem bad to you? Him tearing out the carpet and hidding it in the crawl space, is not a concern? I do not know what to say.

-- Posted by Solelicious on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 5:22 PM

"Yes. He Confessed. It was in court there Iceburg. Get over it. He's gone."

No; the alleged confession was in a nursing home, and referenced by the prosecutor in court. Unless there is a signed statement, or a legal recording or other doc. of proof, there is not a confession. Sorry.

And I won't "get over it." I don't know the guy; he could be guilty as can be. And I'm not advocating that he is innocent or guilty. I want to see justice, but I want to see justice for justice.

Sorry if the passionate don't see that. It's hard to look through the anger and hate to get a clear picture. I hope they have the proof they need to arrest and convict him on the charge of premeditated murder, if he is guilty.

It's Ferrel's job to pursue a conviction. I just hope that he does it with the utmost respect for the levity of this case, and isn't just tossing things out to fuel the fire. People don't need any more fuel, they need answers and peace of mind.

Prayers go out to her family and to those children. I can't imagine my kids losing my wife and me and having to grow up with this. To the family, stay strong and have faith.

-- Posted by Iceburg on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 5:25 PM

Either Clay is the UNLUCKIEST person in the world to have his wife 'somehow' injure herself in his residence and bleed all over the carpet, walk away on foot, and then disappear all on the same exact day she was going to file for divorce AND his ill father heard him confess...OR justice for Jacque is finally beginning to happen.

-- Posted by Catbert on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 6:35 PM

LISTENING TO THE VIDEO ON KFVS REMINDS ME OF ANOTHER PERSON.MADE ALMOST THE SAME THREATS AND HAD THEM CARRIED OUT.WHEN IS ENOUGH,ENOUGH.AND WHEN IS THERE GOING TO BE MORE DONE TO PROTECT US WHEN THREATS LIKE THESE ARE MADE.I GET SO TIRED OF HEARING"WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING TILL THEY DO SOMETHENG" BY THAT TIME IT IS TO LATE.MY PRAYERS GO OUT TO HER CHILDREN AND FAMILY.I HOPE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SAY GOODBYE AND LAY HER TO REST.WE AT LEAST KNEW FROM THE START OF OUR LOSS THE WHO,WHAT WHERE AND WHY.NOT KNOWING HAS GOT TO BE UNBARABLE.AGAIN OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH THEM

-- Posted by TERRYBETTIS on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 7:53 PM

Perhaps most of you here should circumvent the judicial system and march on down to the Jail

with a rope and demand that your desire for revenge be allowed at the nearest tree! My opinion is that this headline is misleading and Ferrell spoke too soon in the wrong place.

I have no idea why Clay Waller's father is in a nursing home but, Adidas and his remark scares me as it should many here. The presumption of innocents is set in stone in our legal system and it seems many here including Adidas would throw it out the window in this case. For those of you who may think I'am a member of the Waller family, you would be wrong. I will wait for a jury of his peers to determine guilt and for law enforcemnt to do their job.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 8:02 PM

SO Grey, We can't even 'think' he is guilty with the evidence against him?

-- Posted by Solelicious on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 8:12 PM

Technically, the presumption of innocence means the government has the burden of proof in a criminal case. If it truely meant innocent until proven guilty then holding someone on bail would be unconstitutional, would it not?

http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.h...

-- Posted by eileen113 on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 8:38 PM

I heard her body has been found. Supposedly has been found under the house they were building.

-- Posted by Idunno on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 8:51 PM

The pinch is on!

-- Posted by vietnamvet on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 8:53 PM

ok to THINK he's guilty if you're one to judge...not ok to publish it on a public forum such as this. Adidas is so naive. This isn't really a debate about whether someone is guilty or not guilty. This should be a debate about getting justice done - crossing every t and dotting every i, and following a disciplined and regimented process to ensure that the guilty is convicted. BTW seems to think the judge is going to throw away teh key because of an alleged confession. Folks, there are so many technicalities and hoops to go through before a conviction can be realized. This is NOT in the bag. Nobody here including me is rooting for Clay. We just want to make sure the guilty is tried and successfully convicted - we only have one chance with this.

-- Posted by Beaker on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 9:49 PM

Me'Lang is alluding to leaks from the investigation team that could have very well jeopardized the investigation, especially from a family who appears to have basked in the limelight of publicity with this. I'll say that maybe it doesn't work that way, but it needs to work alot better than it has so far. Any responsible investigator should not jeopardize their case by providing the inside track information to anyone, much less to anybody who seems to have a hotline to the press. I also agree with Wolf that Ferrell played his cards too soon, in my opinion, but I suspect that may be part of his strategy in order to will public confidence in his favor.

-- Posted by Beaker on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 9:57 PM

Just because a person says they knew all of the info beforehand doesn't mean they did. I seriously doubt that any police officer or person in authority would share this information with someone they knew was talking to the press all the time and sharing everything they knew.

-- Posted by pattim on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 10:36 PM

For the record, the 8th amendment protects against unreasonable bail. Bail itself for someone who has not been convicted seems a little odd upon hard contemplation, but it is a security. I won't get into it. However, let's play the hypothetical game for a second. Let's say that he walked in to the police station and told any law enforcement officer what he told Jacque's father, you would have enough for an arrest and that's it. You would see a large bond amount, if allowed. The catch: If you only have a confession of an unwitnessed crime, it is not enough to secure a conviction. You need physical evidence and, in this case, they have it. But back to exactly what Burg said, the so called "confession" is not a confession, nor an admittance, and is not admissible due to hear-say rules.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearsay_in_...

Read the above link and read down to the exceptions. The prosecutor would have to make a hell of a case in order to have this hearsay admitted in court. Definitely a long way to go.

-- Posted by PMA_Ranch on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 12:47 AM

Me'Lange...

what threats exactly were made on the Justice for Jacque facebook page? i'm not a member of that page. are the threats still there?

-- Posted by TommyStix on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 8:56 AM

This article made mention of something that is a bit confusing. It mentions that her Honda pilot was found 8 miles from Waller's home. It also says that Waller said she left on foot because he (Waller) threw her keys into the trees. On my best day I couldn't push an old MG Midget 8 miles, much less a Honda Pilot. Hopefully the investigators are putting 2+2 together and coming up with 5.

-- Posted by canemah on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 9:23 AM

Most people feel that Clay Waller killed his wife but with his law enforcement background he knows how the system works with regard to prosecution on murder charges without a body for evidence to support the charge. Why would he ever tell where he put the body? Unless Clay Waller's father knows the exact location of the so called "hole in the ground" she may never be found. I applaud Clay Waller's father for wanting to give the family closure and to have his son held accountable for his actions. God Bless the family of Jacque Waller!!

-- Posted by izzy50 on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 9:42 AM

So let me get this straight. According to Clay:

1. His wife came over to pick up one of the kids but he wasn't there.

2. Clay was supposed to give her a key from the post office box. They sat and talked and took a nap (huh?)

3. They woke up and argued about finances.

4. She was injured in the argument and blood splattered on the carpet.

5. Then she fell down and thrashed but she eventually helped him clean up the blood.

6. Then Clay threw her keys in the tree and she walked off.

7. And that was the last he saw her.

What a stupid story. Seriously. Why would she take a nap if she was wanting to pick up the kid and some mailbox key?

Why would she help her husband clean up a bloody mess after a heated argument?

And what set him off to throw the keys in the tree? Did anyone see the argument escalate outside? Or did he randomly throw the keys up there when she was cleaning the blood off her face?

The story doesn't make sense. If his dad truly did tell the truth, then I would have to take his side. As of now, this guy is not looking so great in the court.

-- Posted by gehagge on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 9:54 AM

Innocent until proven guilty is how it should be. Do I think he did it? That does not matter. Am I a fan of Clay Wallers. Absolutely not! This man has been tried in the media and not in the courts. A lot of information has been given out and it could hurt the prosecution. If Clay is to get a fair trial he needs a change of venue far away. Like St. Louis or Kansas City! He certainly isn't going to get a fair trial here.

I don't see how he could get a fair and impartial jury. I have to include myself in that!

-- Posted by Spinning on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 11:38 AM

Well Cape4life..guess I am a sick old dog because that's certainly the way I saw things early on! The Family has done nothing to help this investigation nor has any of us here in this media. Ferrell is obviously a poor Federal prosecutor and this headline was more than misleading considering no substantial confession was ever made. Not to mention the fact that this headline has changed since first published. Seems to me this case will soon turn into a cluster F... Frankly, it already has.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 12:00 PM

Can anybody remember how soon, after she was reported missing, that a fund was set up to raise money for the family?

-- Posted by nObama on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 12:22 PM

""Family taking donations to help children, offer cash reward in Waller case; Wednesday, June 15, 2011; By Erin Hevern http://www.semissourian.com/story/173623...

' "Jacque Waller Family Fund" can be made at any US Bank location. A link to donate to the Jacque Waller reward fund will appear on the "Find Jacque S. Waller" Facebook page'

Established and accepting donations by June 15, 2011. Jacque disappeared 6/1/11.

-- Posted by ziggie on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM

I dont know this family at all...I do watch the news and I do have kids of my own...I think he is GUILTY until proven INNOCENT!!!

And from the looks of everything...GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by mom4 on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 1:15 PM

Reading my friend's diary broke my heart.

-- Posted by rooroo on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 1:53 PM

gehagge, i agree with your comment. I am so confused by what he is saying.

I am really concerned about the comment and confused, her face got cut in the kitchen and he told her to run to the bathroom. (dumbass there is a sink in the kitchen) then she runs down the hall way to the master bedroom, thought she was going to the bathroom... she falls down in the hallway, cant get up, thrashes about and then eventually gets up to help clean up the blood. are you sure it wasn't her throat that was cut you idiot. How much blood can a person loose from a cut on the face that it requires you to remove carpet but yet without a trip to the ER or an ambulance, the bleeding stops. No wonder she needed a nap, sounds like a marathon, all that happened between 4 and 6. I'm exhausted just thinking about it.

Wonder why Clay wasn't trying to get a towel or taking her to the ER. Hum?

-- Posted by WonderWoman2 on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 1:54 PM

PMA_Ranch... I appreciated you posting. It sounds like you have looked at this and done some research. I do have a few questions to clarify and would like your opinion... I followed the link you posted and if I'm not mistaken, wouldn't the confession to Clay's father be an exception to hearsay under admission of guilt? Also, unlike many on this thread, I am not being sarcastic, I really would like your opinion... Thank you

-- Posted by eileen113 on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 2:56 PM

Guilty until proven innocent applies to a court of law. This is a message board not a court of law. I'm usually very consevative a far as jumping on the bandwagon when there's a reasonable doubt or any doubt as far as what might have logically happened. All the evidence here only points in one direction. Looks like duck..walks like a duck..quacks like a duck...I'm pretty sure it's a duck!

As far as the family having some facts that the general public doesn't have... that makes sense and is done all the time. The family is part of the investigation and I'm sure the authorities would keep them advised of any news concerning the case.

-- Posted by Over The River on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 3:26 PM

So when did Clay get a new lawyer? What happened to Scott Reynolds????

-- Posted by readysetgone on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 4:50 PM

He has a public defender for the federal charges, I believe Reynolds is still representing him on the state charges.

-- Posted by eileen113 on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 5:11 PM

This whole thing is a curse of our new found society. The technology revolution of everyone weighing in on a legal topic is the same as a unlimited amount people posting a message on how do to neurosurgery. Unless you know how, you should guess to the best method. But, in a constitutional government that has had in place for well over 200 years a system that, while not perfect, is still the best model so far. Now that we all have our spare time to post our uneducated opinions it seems that the USA citizens want to pick and choose the constitution. Why are we able to post messages here, placing guilt on anyone when we choose, regardless of the facts? The answer is quite clear, it is the first amendment. How would all of you feel if because of "social media" that all communications regarding legal proceedings will be banned and will become against the law because of the very good chance it could taint juries. What happens when the defense starts to get looking at everyone's postings and emails to see if they have discussed the case. Sounds crazy doesn't it. Well we can all act like we know and pretend we have more power than we do, but ask yourself this, could you be a fair juror after posting on this forum that YOU KNOW HE IS GUILTY. If I were the defense I think that this would be an approach to choosing a fair jury. After all, if the people here have proclaimed that he is guilty, would you tell them that if selected? Or would you be seeking vengeance and not tell the truth, commit perjury, and get on the jury? I have not professed what I think about guilt or innocence, only making a point. The reason, I don't have enough information to formulate this

-- Posted by wrayman on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 5:48 PM

Me'Lange

"IF the family was given more, someone failed to do their job correctly" ARE YOU SERIOUS?

I'm a member of the Find Jacque Waller page and have been since day one. I have not seen any threats. I call Bulls

-- Posted by artofwar on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 11:22 PM

Imaged-Who gives a dump about when the donation account was set up. Somebody had 3 new kids to take care of. Get it? Now get over it! I'm not real sure where your going with it but I have an idea. If you thought about it at all maybe you could understand a bit more. Just think about it, really, give it a try.

-- Posted by artofwar on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 11:23 PM

Me'Lange. I suppose if the moderator removes some of your opinions I can see why.

-- Posted by artofwar on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 11:24 PM

i heard a rumor that clays father was suspected in the disappearance of his wife/clays mother a long time ago.....does anybody know any truth to this??? and if so and if there is any truth to that how credible would a statement he makes be?? i hope whoever has done this terrible act makes peace with there maker....if its mr waller he will pay in a court of law and if it was another/others so will they....i have faith in our law enforcement and judicial system and i know justice will be served...i pray for everybody involved in this case

-- Posted by irish6524 on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 1:28 AM

Yes innocent untill proven gulity..In my opinion he just about proved himself guilty...

-- Posted by ajh45 on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 2:46 AM

Maybe we should call Nancy Grace up for you!

-- Posted by artofwar on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 7:21 AM

Artofwar, I, for one, am so tired of hearing what a financial hardship it is for the Rawsons to have the three children to care for. Most people know exactly what it takes to raise a child or a house full of them. They're doing it. And not complaining about it. If they can't afford to take care of those children, then the judge needs to find someone that can. I am sure that friends and family would have helped them out without all the public pleas for financial help. And Cheryl quits her job to stay home with the children? Just as they are starting school? They obviously are not destitute. I'm 60 yrs old, have seen a lot of families suffer tragedies, but never such a circus as this. Even if it's not Jacque's family doing the complaining and asking for money, whoever it is needs a lesson in dignity.

Those are her sister's children, her family. I was raised to believe that family takes care of their own. They step up in a crisis and do what they need to do. And they don't make a public spectacle of their sacrifice. From what I have heard in the workplace and out in the community, I am not the only person that was raised this way. So maybe those that want to accuse people of not caring about the children because they find the non-stop fundraisers tacky, also need to "get over it".

-- Posted by maggiethecat on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 7:41 AM

Why are we able to post messages here, placing guilt on anyone when we choose, regardless of the facts? The answer is quite clear, it is the first amendment.

-- Posted by wrayman on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 5:48 PM

This is a comments column of an internet newspaper and the 1st amendment does not apply. You gave the newspaper your permission to pick and choose, wholly at their discretion, what gets posted and what gets deleted. They decide what and can stop any or all postings anytime they want. There is no first amendment here.

IMO the only guilt proven so far is that this newspaper is certainly guilty of grandstanding. This headline is totally misleading and nothing more than hearsay. Gleaning some of these comments, the next headline could feasibly be proclaiming where the body is located.

Also remember, a prosecutor is exempt from prosecution for what they say in court. If they think Waller is a flight risk or a danger to anyone it is their job to persuade the Judge to keep him in jail. If that takes grandstanding or releasing evidence in another case so be it.

-- Posted by malan on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 7:54 AM

I agree malan however, Ferrell remarks were indeed untimely and border on ignorance, in my opine. That being said, we all know that when the Feds have your had.

maggiethecat, is also correct.

Several here who are upset with Me'lange are obviously closed minded and seeking revenge.

She simply brings up very good points which many here are too blinded by emotions to see. Again, just my opinion.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 8:29 AM

I don't think you can call Larry Ferrell ignorant. He was tapped by the U.S. Dept. of Justice to assist in the prosecution of Saddam Hussein and other Iraqi war criminals.

-- Posted by Yankee Station on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 8:54 AM

Larry Ferrell is by no means ignorant but do agree that he probably shouldnt have made the comment when he did; however as we all know law enforcement,lawyers, prosecutors etc always have a reason for when and why they bring out information its all a part of the "investigation process" the only thing that seems extraordinarily strange to me is if they do have evidence of blood splatter in Clays residence and have had it for quite sometime why was he still walking the streets? Everyone knows if something happened like that to one of our family members we would have been in jail as soon as the evidence was found; still dont understand that.

-- Posted by countrygirl71 on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 9:22 AM

Any murder case against Clay seems to have more leaks than the Titanic. From the early get go information was being released by the family and IMHO will hurt any murder case against this man.

Furthermore he may be found guilty of the other charges but if they go for murder I think any attorney worth his salt will move to have this evidence thrown out. As I stated before in a previous post a few weeks ago, both Cassie Anthony and OJ Simpson was found not guilty and there was a body and overwhelming evidence in both cases. Just locally a man was acquitted of murder www.kfvs12.com/story/15426275/man-accuse... and he confessed along with blood evidence.

So for all those who are already measuring the rope you may want to keep the receipt for a refund because this case may not turn out the way you want it.

Oh and for the record before someone post something. I am not related nor know anyone associated with this case. Just a citizen watching this circus from the sideline. IMHO

-- Posted by gman on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 9:36 AM

I think if everyone would take a step back and look, it is obvious that Ferrell is using evidence related to Jacque as a tool to keep Clay in jail without bond. IMO LE feels or thinks that potential witnesses are afraid to come forward with information while Clay is still on the streets.

-- Posted by manning on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 9:46 AM

Going back to the beginning of the comments, someone asked about the correct pronunciation of Jacque's name. It is pronounced, Jackie. She was named after a dear family friend. One whose life was cut short, way too early in life. Jacque was always proud of her name, and the person she was named for. We all want justice to be served. And many of us are convinced that justice will be best served when Clay is convicted of his crimes. It is very difficult to stand by and watch people you love be criticized by people who don't know them or the facts involved. Hopefully all will be revealed, and justice will prevail.

-- Posted by AuntieR on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 10:13 AM

AuntieR, thank you for the first mature, reasonable comment from someone who thinks Clay might be guilty and wants justice.

Hopefully, like you said, all will be revealed in time, and through the proper channels so that if he is indeed guilty, it will not be hard evidence that proves it as such.

And thanks for the note on her name.

-- Posted by Iceburg on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 11:41 AM

Well said AuntieR!

-- Posted by eileen113 on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 11:45 AM

Yankee Station, I said "borders on ignorance" and I stand by it! He should have used his mouth clutch before he put it in gear. This is my opinion and do not expect everyone to agree. As for his involvement with the middle east, Im not at all impressed. Saddam was not convicted in our judicial system nor should he have been.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 12:01 PM

It is interesting that we all (US citizens) would like to see our representatives in Washington D.C. use a more polite way to disagree. In this forum we are not able to find a polite way to communicate with each other. Sad.

-- Posted by eileen113 on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 12:52 PM

Does Clay have a twin sister? Would she have helped him cover his tracks? Just a thought!

-- Posted by readysetgone on Sun, Sep 11, 2011, at 2:03 PM

I've heard and seen enough to know who did this and as the old saying goes, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Come on peeps.

-- Posted by wow1000 on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 12:44 PM

Melange, the family would have access to quite a bit of evidence we aren't privy to just through normal daily contact with Clay before all this. They probably knew about the diary before LE. She had told her family of threats he had made. If your next of kin went missing under these circumstances, do you really think you would know nothing more about the case than me, getting my info from the media? C'mon!

-- Posted by chocolatte on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 4:12 AM


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