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Speak Out 3/15/11

Tuesday, March 15, 2011

Hate TV

QUESTION: What can one learn by watching MSNBC? Answer: Hate. Pure, unadulterated hate.

Driving impatience

I was sitting at a stoplight in Cape Girardeau recently, and when the light turned green, three cars that had a red light proceeded to go through the intersection. Luckily, the first car that could have gone on their green light didn't take off quickly. It could have turned into a dangerous situation. If you think you don't have time to stop for a red light, think how long it's going to take if you are in a wreck.

Dress code

MY child attends the Scott City School District. We just received a dress code letter for next year. I feel that if our children are given a list that says what they can and cannot wear, I want to see the dress code list for the faculty. I do not want the response "professional attire." Do they have to wear solid-colored shirts, collared shirts, etc.?

Street work

I hope city officials, when they make their plans on what they are going to do on Broadway, decides to widen the street as much as they can on each side. The sidewalks don't need to be as wide. People don't use them as much.

Ban obesity

ONCE we get a smoking ban in Cape Girardeau, then we should try to get obesity banned. This would be easy to do. First you put a scale in all the fast-food places and then the customer has to get on it. If the customer is overweight, then they are not allowed to buy french fries. Simple.

Union behavior

MY husband has been a member of a union for many years. When I see these union members all over the country -- especially in Wisconsin -- acting like thugs, it really embarrasses me and makes me feel ashamed that he is a member of a union.

City survey

IT appears that the city council believes that Cape Girardeau can just write a $20,000 check to satisfy the ideas of Mr. Meyer. This goes in line with the $40,000 spent by our CVB to tell us where the restroom signs should be placed. Suggestions: Forget the outside contractor, mail the survey and include a self-addressed postage-paid envelope.

Chamber position

CAPE Girardeau Area Chamber of Commerce: You don't want intrusion on "private" property, yet you suggest that a better way to protect children is to ban smoking in the home. Does that make any sense?

Waste of money

AM I to believe that city officials are planning to spend $20,000 to poll citizens to determine what the city residents like or don't like about the way the city is being run? What a waste of taxpayer money. Why not put a notice in the paper soliciting opinions?


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Single, middle aged,(+50)Caucasian males are being discriminated against in the workforce. Employers don't want to pay health insurance premiums, nor can we afford insurance making peanut wages. There is no "Patch Adams" doctor(s) in Cape Girardeau county unless you get a sex change, support kids living with you or simply non-Caucasian! Why is that? It's time to take a stand "Old White Guys!"

-- Posted by cuincr on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 12:41 AM

Single, middle aged,(+50)Caucasian males are being discriminated against in the workforce. Employers don't want to pay health insurance premiums, nor can we afford insurance making peanut wages. There is no "Patch Adams" doctor(s) in Cape Girardeau county unless you get a sex change, support kids living with you or simply non-Caucasian! Why is that? It's time to take a stand "Old White Guys!"

-- Posted by cuincr on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 12:42 AM

cuiner, when you've been "discriminated" against as long as the other groups have, I have some empathy for you. Did you speak up for them or did you enjoy your benefits while they suffered?

-- Posted by concerned4all on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 7:37 AM

Yeah, when are old white guys going to finally catch a break? LOL.

As far as the ban on obesity, not everything has to be a slippery slope. We enact all kinds of laws without devolving in the draconian society you see. Just go outside to smoke, is that so hard?

-- Posted by SteveM on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 8:19 AM

@Steve . . .or don't patronize a business where the owner has decided to allow smoking. Face it there are people so enamoured with themselves that they feel it is their purpose in life to save everyone else from _______. (You fill in the blank because they certainly will)

Dress Code . . .again? Sigh.

@Rick, I am sure they will show you their credentials. Luckily, the only credentials required here is a computer and an opinion.

-- Posted by one4kids on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 8:46 AM

Dress Code

That's one of the problems today. People want kids to act like adults and adults to follow the same guidelines as kids. Until kids learn that adults have more experience, knowledge, education AND follow different (usually stricter) directives than they do, we will have what we have - undisciplined kids who grow into undisciplined adults.

-- Posted by America First on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 8:56 AM

If they Mandaite No smoking in Cape then they should Ban selling tobacco products in Cape. If you smoke, do your level best not to shop or even go to Cape. Go spend your money somewhere that is not ruled by the offended. Then let me know where that is, I wanna go there too.

-- Posted by working class citizen on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 9:46 AM

I agree with one4kids Steve. Is it really that hard to simply NOT patronize smoking establishments? Has there ever been an instance where you just HAD to visit that one specific bar that allows smoking? The vast majority of places you visit in your day to day life are non-smoking already. We don't smoke in offices, banks, stores, malls, government buildings, and even many bars and restaurants have chosen to go non-smoking on their own. Why can't you people leave the few businesses left that can and do choose to cater to smokers be as they are?

-- Posted by Fujiyama Mama on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 12:19 PM

@Rick

I DO love fries, but I'm not overweight as some would believe me to be.

To the others (not Rick): this isn't about being 'enamored' with protecting people from themselves. Honestly, I sincerely hope most of you die smoking. I do not, under any circumstance, want to stop people from smoking. It's not about that at all (at least for me). Smoke all you want. Do whatever you want to your body. I could care less. What I do care about, however, is people who think that they can let their habit affect others. Do whatever you want to your own body, but leave everyone else's alone. I am for this ordinance for everyone who can't speak up for themselves. For those people who are victim to the fact that you're too inconsiderate to think about anyone but your self. Smoke till you choke for all I care. But your rights end where everyone else's begin. Do it at home. Do it outside. Do it in your car or in the middle of the street. But don't do it in an enclosed place with other people who have just as many rights as you do.

Day in and day out, the same people espousing the same thing over and over again in order to justify their inabilities to be considerate towards their fellow man. Sure, I can visit wherever I want, just like you can step outside. You just don't like it, because (for a change), it's You having to be inconvenienced. This selfishness is really grating on me. You, a community who calls yourself Christian and could care less about your fellow man. What a bunch of hypocrites.

-- Posted by SteveM on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 1:37 PM

Street Work:

There are a lot of students who walk the sidewalks back home from downtown after they have drank too much to drive. Personally, I don't want their sidewalk to be narrowed on a dangerous street while they are intoxicated.

And as for Rick's, "note : cuincr , try being Native American for awhile..."

Land is temporary. Beads and trinkets are forever.

-- Posted by FunkDaddy on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 1:39 PM

Steve - Who's the hypocrite? What kind of a christian wishes death upon total strangers? What a hateful, unhappy person you must be. I am truly sorry that I attempted to have a mature debate with you. It is a mistake I will not make again.

-- Posted by Fujiyama Mama on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 2:20 PM

SteveM, if this were facebook, I would click "like" to your last comment! I loved & agree with every word!

-- Posted by semoreader on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 3:30 PM

@Fujiyama Mama: I'm an atheist. If I were brash enough to claim to be a follower of Christ though, I'd take it seriously enough to act like one. Not having the decency to step outside to smoke doesn't seem very Christ-like to me, though. And since I am surrounded by people who claim to be followers of Christ, it only stands to reason that there are many more hypocrites out there than little ol' me. Smoking Should be a right, but doing it wherever you want is not. The same with drinking, bungee jumping or any other recreational activity that puts your own life at risk. I don't mind if people want to do things that risk their own lives, I truly don't. But I don't think that the inalienable right to self harm means you have the right to indiscriminately hurt others. That approach seems a little more with the teachings of your deity, at least to me. Sadly, it shouldn't take an atheist to make points to you about what it is to be compassionate and considerate to our fellow man. In a reasonable setting, it should be other way around. My anger stems from reading, every single day, more and more people espousing their rationale for why they should have the right to be inconsiderate to others. They'll talk about 'business owners rights' or make slippery slope arguments or talk about how this only the first step towards socialism or some other scary word. But what they're really saying is: "I don't want things to change. I'm perfectly content with being inconsiderate to others and to hell with you if you want me to walk outside." People can talk about business owners all day long (that are already regulated in a thousand different way), but this debate is about selfishness, pure and simple. Some people don't want to change. People didn't like seatbelts at first either. Look how we've evolved.

-- Posted by SteveM on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 5:11 PM

To those in favor of a smoking ban lets take this another step further and ban drinking. A drunk driver will kill you quicker than my second hand smoke.

-- Posted by Rayne2010 on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 5:15 PM

SteveM, I click "like" on both you posts...you've stated it so right.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 5:44 PM

Steve M. Gee, I want to be an Atheist so I can have permission to be inconsiderate without being a Christian. I'm sure, your being an Atheist keeps you secure from the arrogance that causes hypocricy.

-- Posted by happypappies on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 6:29 PM

If smokers were considerate, a ban wouldn't be needed. They know it's unhealthy for others, yet want to be able to have their pleasure at others discomfort.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 6:46 PM

Rayne2010 is really up on the laws. I would have made a bet that every adult smart enough to get on the internet knew that it is illegal to be a drunk driver.

Amazingly, I was wrong.

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 6:48 PM

concerned4all nailed it. If smokers were considerate there would be no discussion of a ban. Many are; too many aren't...

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 6:49 PM

People are taking responsibility for their well being, and the well being of their children, by proposing a regulation that dictates what should be good manners.

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 7:10 PM

Yes drinking and driving is against the law but amazingly enough many many people still do and to many lives are lost each day. Yes I am a smoker but I do not smoke in my home and keep it away from my children. I am not a drinker but yet I see many people drinking and then getting in the car to drive. When we go out to eat my family is forced to smell the alcohol coming from the people next to us, something I do not want my kids around either. Yet I guess that bobby62914 is great with that. Come on people you have smokers who are considerate and some that are not you have drinkers that obey the law and others who do not, but that does not mean we should be a dry county or a smoke-free city. I do not need you to tell me when and where I can smoke. The only thing you are going to do is cut the money that is coming into the area businesses and eventually they will have to cut the number of jobs the offer. Just what we need in this economy.

-- Posted by Rayne2010 on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 9:27 PM

So you agree that smoking in public should be illegal just like driving drunk? If so, you are correct. Your cirular logic is kind of difficult to follow.

I wouldn't have a problem with bars permitting their customers to partake in smoking recreational drugs as well as drinking them.

Just like smoking is banned in grocery stores, florists, department stores, malls, waiting rooms and other public places - smoking should be banned in restaurants.

Smokers aren't afraid to spend twenty minutes in Walmart without a fix; why are they afraid of twenty minutes without a fix in Cracker Barrel?

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 9:39 PM

The way for non-smokers to take responsibily for their own well-being, is to vote for a ban. It's sure not going to happen if we rely on smokers being considerate.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 10:10 PM

Smokers should unite in Cape and start bans on all sorts of inconsiderate actions by all those inconsiderate people. Ban cars for noxious fumes. Ban perfume and deodorant for the same reason. Ban children in all restaurants. The list is long and logical.

-- Posted by ChiRho on Tue, Mar 15, 2011, at 10:29 PM

ChiRho- why limit it to smokers unite? Others don't like noxious fumes either (though I've never heard of someone harmed by deodorant fumes). BTW are children at restaurants harmful to your health? I didn't know - thanks for the heads-up. Do you smell like a child when you leave or just sound like one?

-- Posted by concerned4all on Wed, Mar 16, 2011, at 7:30 AM

There are no laws stating you can't smoke in retail stores, grocery stores, offices, etc. Most retail stores don't allow smoking in them because people are not going to buy a product that smells like smoke.

Try going to the local grocery store in Jackson it is by far the smokiest place in Jackson. The only other choice is Wal-Mart. There are places in Cape besides restaurants and bars that people work and patronize that allow smoking and people have to do business with them.

I believe that most smokers are considerate. I am for smoking not being allowed in public places.

-- Posted by mothering4 on Wed, Mar 16, 2011, at 9:05 AM

@stevem . . .yawn . . whatever.

This question is about personal decisions and the right to make those decisions free from government intervention into private matters. To smoke or not to smoke is (currently) a personal decision. To own a business which allows smoking is (currently) a personal decision. If you choose not to smoke, you have the option to not patronize businesses which allow it. No one is making anyone be exposed to second-hand smoke. It is a choice they are making for themselves. The hypocrisy is going into a business you know allows smoking and then acting outraged about it.

There is no smoking allowed in any government building in Cape. 65-odd businesses in Cape have made the decision to NOT allow smoking without any need for government regulation. It appears that the marketplace has encouraged owners to change their policies without the need for government intervention. As a non-smoker I do not have a horse in the race other than objecting to handwringing which leads to unnecessary laws.

-- Posted by one4kids on Wed, Mar 16, 2011, at 10:26 AM

Concerned,

The sound level of shrieking children is sufficient to damage the hearing of others. Unlike many other aspects of human health, hearing damage isn't repaired by our bodies. Of course, just as with exposure to second hand smoke, it would take decades of exposure to have a significant impact.

-- Posted by non-biasedphilosopher on Wed, Mar 16, 2011, at 3:55 PM


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