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Speak Out 12/8/10

Wednesday, December 8, 2010

Dangerous policy

GLENN Beck wants all federal workers' salaries limited to the level of the average American. This would be extremely dangerous. For example, our federal air traffic controllers are a highly skilled group selected from a larger pool of applicants. We live in a country where high skill is generally rewarded with a matching salary.

Help schools

MR. Nenninger got it right in his recent column published in the Southeast Missourian. Everyone should help in the schools if they can.


BICYCLE riders need to stop riding on county and city roads. If they can't go the speed limit and follow the rules that vehicles follow, then they should stay off the road.

Smoking dangers

SMOKING should be banned in public places. It not only does great harm to the smoker, but, as just released evidence incontrovertibly shows, it causes great risk to those breathing secondhand smoke.

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As a "surviving bureaucrat" I can tell you that the average worker who is employed by state or federal governments is not overpaid. I think though that there are those who are gratuitous appointees who are overpaid. We need a civil service guide for these people the same as the average state or federal employee has to live by...I think the main problem is that Congress has set themselves up as an elite group who have special privileges that are denied the rest of the citizens i.e. they are not under Social Security, they have their own fabulous health plan and are not under Obamacare, their retirement plan is way out of sight compared to the rest of us...furthermore they can appoint "friends" and family members to jobs of which the salaries are not monitored...

I think salaries should be based on output...the air traffic controllers are a case in point...However there are other jobs which require more training and entail more responsiblity...and these people should be paid accordingly..I did not hear Mr. Beck's comment but I would be interested to hear what he considers the "average American income."

-- Posted by walela on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 6:32 AM

Here's some information about the health risks of secondhand smoke:

------------- The Largest study on Second Hand Smoke ever done by Enstrom


"Conclusions The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.".... "No significant associations were found for current or former exposure to environmental tobacco smoke before or after adjusting for seven confounders and before or after excluding participants with pre-existing disease. No significant associations were found during the shorter follow up periods of 1960-5, 1966-72, 1973-85, and 1973-98."

"Enstrom has defended the accuracy of his study against what he terms 'illegitimate criticism by those who have attempted to suppress and discredit it.'". (Wikipedia)


------ Court rules that environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) is NOT a Class A carcinogen

William Osteen (US District Judge) ruling against the EPA

*The ruling shows by scientific definition that ETS is not a Class A carcinogen


"There is evidence in the record supporting the accusation that EPA 'cherry picked' its data" ... "EPA's excluding nearly half of the available studies directly conflicts with EPA's purported purpose for analyzing the epidemiological studies and conflicts with EPA's Risk Assessment Guidelines" (p. 72)

"Group A classification in large part on a resulting relative risk of only 1.19, without adequately explaining why the Agency had required every other Group A carcinogen to exhibit a much higher relative risk, or why it had recently found relative risks of 2.6 and 3.0 insufficient to classify other agents in Group A. All of the 15 chemicals or mixtures previously classified by 'EPA as Group A carcinogens have higher relative risks than ETS."(p. 76)

IAQC (Indoor Air Quality Control) epidemiologist Dr. Kabat observed, "An association is generally considered weak if the odds ratio [relative risk] is under 3.0 and particularly when it is under 2.0, as is the case in the relationship of ETS and lung cancer." E.L. Wynder & G.C. Kabat, Environmental Tobacco Smoke and Lung Cancer: A Critical Assessment, I.SAB.7.1 at 6 (JA ,216). (p. 76)

-------- OSHA will NOT regulate something that's NOT hazardous


"OSHA has no regulation that addresses tobacco smoke as a whole, 29 CFR 1910.1000 Air contaminants, limits employee exposure to several of the main chemical components found in tobacco smoke. In normal situations, exposures would not exceed these permissible exposure limits (PELs), and, as a matter of prosecutorial discretion, OSHA will not apply the General Duty Clause to ETS."

CDC Study shows cigarette smoke is 25,000 times safer than OSHA air regulations



Gov study shows waitresses in smoke filled bars are exposed to only a 5th of what the EPA considers hazardous:


US Senate discusses health official's inability to represent any REAL science


CDC Studies show "smoking bans" have not improved everyone's health as claimed.


An Actual Study about health & Smoking Bans -- The National Bureau of Economic Research


"Workplace bans are not associated with statistically significant short-term declines in mortality or hospital admissions for myocardial infarction or other diseases."

-- Posted by harleyrider1978 on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 6:41 AM

Scientific Evidence Shows Secondhand Smoke Is No Danger

Written By: Jerome Arnett, Jr., M.D.

Published In: Environment & Climate News

Publication Date: July 1, 2008





BS Alert: The 'third-hand smoke' hoax


The thirdhand smoke scam


Heart attacks Frauds and Myths..


New study: No evidence linking SHS and lung cancer


-- Posted by harleyrider1978 on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 6:43 AM

Dangerous policy --- Glenn Beck ?...get for real !..who justifies his salary for stirring up trouble on a radio show ?


Bicyclists --- ....if Bicyclists have the stones to get out and ride in this frigid weather , more power to them ..


Smoking dangers --- all of you smokers be considerate ...all of you non-smokers , if you lead an absolutely perfect health lifestyle with no vices , then you are allowed to complain...


only 17 days til Christmas...

-- Posted by ...Rick on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 8:00 AM

I could write paragraphs about Glenn Beck, but I will just say that the man is out of his mind. Period. He makes multi-millions to lie and to try to scare his viewers and listeners.

Everyone in the government is a Nazi or a Socialist or the Devil. He just makes stuff up!!! And his loyal followers believe every word he says. He is dangerous.

-- Posted by donacita on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 8:17 AM

harleyrider...perhaps your sources would be more powerful if they were actual scientific, peer-reiwed studies.

-- Posted by southeast on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 8:26 AM

Harleyrider, it still smells horrible and Harley's are annoying, please get rid of both and stop your copy and paste BS and actually contribute.

-- Posted by vf43WRX on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 8:27 AM


You sound fat.

If people aren't riding bicycles on County OR City roads, what does that leave? The interstate??

-- Posted by SteveM on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 8:31 AM

I agree that bicyclists should follow the same traffic laws as motorists on any road. I almost hit a bicyclists the other day because he ran a red light at the intersection of Hopper and Mt. Audmourn. I had to slam on my brakes and almost had a reck myself to advoid hitting him. When my son and I ride our bikes we obey all traffic rules.

-- Posted by D49F11 on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 8:51 AM

Crazy motorists need to stay off the county roads, city roads, and the interstate. If they can't go the speed limit and follow the rules that are set, then they should also stay off the road.

-- Posted by rockinw on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 8:58 AM

If bicycles are going to be used on public streets they need to be licensed and pay a fee just like other users do.

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 9:19 AM

Glen Beck dangerous? Maybe a little strange, but hardly dangerous.

Those that are dangerous are in government in Washington, they can affect us and our way of life.

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 9:22 AM

Oh my, doesn't the frigid weather and some of these comments just give you the shivers.

-- Posted by voyager on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 9:25 AM


What's your position on Obama caving as some are claiming? We need a pep talk. Some of the 'believers' are beginning to falter.

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 10:09 AM

Ike, Ike,

Settle down son, you're getting your bowels all in an uproar over very little.

Obama caving got you all upset too?

I was just trying to spark some debate on whether the roads should be paid for by the users.

Anybody being paid to listen to Beck? Turn it off, for Pete's sake.

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 10:50 AM

Obama decides he wants to be a leader and work with the opposing party after two years of "his way only" and his supporters are pitching fits ....fair weather fans , anyone ?

-- Posted by ...Rick on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 11:31 AM

-- Posted by cadillacman on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 10:00 AM

I can't stand to listen to Glen Beck, but to say his performance is alcohol related is purely idiotic. Like many others, he is an alcoholic who no longer drinks alcohol. Making such attacks only demonstrates the paucity of thought and assessment.

-- Posted by Acronym on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 11:40 AM

OK, here's my two cents....I don't like to share the road with other motorists much less bicyclists and I love me a hog! ☻ ☺ ☻ ☺

-- Posted by Turnip on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 12:03 PM

Let me see, Glen Beck the "dry drunk" is paid millions of dollars for television and radio programs as well as to give live presentations while we are sitting here typing our opinions for free and people are making fun of him.

-- Posted by Acronym on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 12:44 PM

I was just trying to spark some debate on whether the roads should be paid for by the users.

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 10:50 AM

Well I could argue the point that since I pay city and county taxes on both real estate and personal property along with gas and insurance for 3 vehicles and a motorcycle, I should be able to ride my bicycle down the street to the store and improve my health at the same time. Mo law does state a bicyclist has the same rights as a car or truck. They also have to obey the traffic laws. So please share the road with them.

-- Posted by mightymo on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 2:11 PM

I never listen to Glen Beck. He uses emotion to get make his point. Great for housewives bad for business.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 3:28 PM

Ah... cadillacman graces us with his wisdom once again and 100% wrong once again.

Go drink your kool-aid a bit more

Speak out has been lacking the past few days, isn't anyone going to complain that the new fountain street is too bumpy or something?

-- Posted by vf43WRX on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 3:40 PM

glenn beck is not dangerous. if you don't listen to him or pay any attention to him, he can cause you no problems. Besides that's all the hennessey and mad dogg 20/20 that he's drinking all the time doing all the talking. He's a drunk people.

-- Posted by cadillacman on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 10:00 AM

Does that mean you think Obama is high?

-- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 5:16 PM

Oh Poo, Caddyman. You need a better defense of your hero. That would be Obama, Caddyman.

-- Posted by voyager on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 7:41 PM

i saw a poll about popular shows and becks was 30% what is wrong with people. obama is too sharp to be high. give the cyclists a break. that's the only transportation i had for 3 years.

-- Posted by happypappies on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 10:11 PM

I never listen to Glen Beck. He uses emotion to get make his point. Great for housewives bad for business.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 3:28 PM

Uh, if you never listen to him then how do you know? Is it because that is what you read on The Huffington Post or are told on the Comedy Channel?

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 11:21 PM

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