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Cape Girardeau City Council passes prescription requirement for pseudoephedrine

Tuesday, December 7, 2010

The Cape Girardeau City Council decided Monday that the side effects of keeping cold medications containing pseudoephedrine available behind the counter and without a prescription are too much of a risk for the community.

The council voted 4-3 in favor of an ordinance requiring a prescription to buy pseudoephedrine, a component in methamphetamine manufacturing.

The split vote came a week after Gov. Jay Nixon visited the Cape Girardeau Police Department announcing he supports statewide legislation mandating a prescription to purchase Sudafed, Claritin-D and other pseudoephedrine products.

Council members engaged in little discussion before voting on the ordinance, but several Southeast Missouri law enforcement officers and an area allergy doctor encouraged them to regulate the sale of the drug.

Jason Morgan, an officer with the Poplar Bluff, Mo., Police Department spoke to the council about his city's leaders and their action in December 2009 to make pseudoephedrine available only with a prescription. He said the department has documented a 50 percent reduction in methamphetamine lab seizures.

"And we've had two complaints total from people in the last year. There hasn't been any major issues at all," Morgan said. "From a law enforcement standpoint, it's really done a lot for us."

Morgan also told the council he has viewed pseudoephedrine purchase activity on the statewide tracking database for pharmacies connected to the system in Cape Girardeau. He said he noticed more than 100 purchases from Poplar Bluff residents and of the names listed, at least 85 percent of the names were familiar to Morgan as meth users or meth manufacturers.

Jason Grellner, Missouri Narcotics Officers Association vice president, also addressed council members, giving them statistics about sales as indexed in the pseudoephedrine tracking system. For November, and of the 74 counties connected to the database, Cape Girardeau County ranks No. 1 for boxes sold per capita, he said.

When recommending the council approve the ordinance, though, Grellner asked the members to think of the community and who meth labs affect the most -- children. As an investigator for the Franklin County Sheriff's Department, Grellner said, he's seen too many children taken from a home where officers have seized a meth lab.

"The children need your protection," he said.

Kim Price, local legal counsel for the Consumer Healthcare Products Association, spoke to the council in opposition of the ordinance, saying the regulation is a burden to legitimate purchasers of pseudoephedrine.

"Consider the alternative in place now in Missouri. ... The pseudoephedrine tracking system has not been fully implemented yet," Price said.

Shortly after the vote, CHPA's chief executive officer Scott Melville issued a statement in response to the council action.

"Citizens of Cape Girardeau and the state of Missouri deserve to have their elected officials give electronic tracking a chance to work. Missouri has already blocked over 18,000 grams of pseudoephedrine in just a few short months, and that's with only half of the state's pharmacies connected to the system," Melville wrote in an e-mail. "We hope the council will reconsider this decision at some point in the future and allow consumers to have continued immediate access to effective treatments for common ailments."

Council member Meg Davis Proffer voted against requiring prescriptions, despite the fact that her husband is a sheriff's deputy.

"I had to put that aside," she said after the meeting. "This is a legal product that has been approved by the FDA. I hate punishing people who are law-abiding citizens, but that's what this does. There's a line and when you start moving the line, what's next?"

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It really makes me mad that the good guys have to pay for the bad guys...

The drug dealers are still gonna get the chemicals to make their drugs!! This is not gonna

stop them...what a bunch of idiots...

-- Posted by shagme on Mon, Dec 6, 2010, at 9:46 PM

What do we do now with the all of the tracking systems that cost 1.5 million dollars, more money throwed out the window if the Statewide ban takes affect. The good people always having to pay the price for the criminal thugs. The electronic systems were never given a chance to work.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Mon, Dec 6, 2010, at 10:03 PM

You can rest assured that the Meth Makers have a work around for this proposed super fix.

-- Posted by Little Joey on Mon, Dec 6, 2010, at 10:24 PM

"Morgan also told the council he has viewed pseudoephedrine purchase activity on the statewide tracking database for pharmacies connected to the system in Cape Girardeau. He said he noticed more than 100 purchases from Poplar Bluff residents and of the names listed, at least 85 percent of the names were familiar to Morgan as meth users or meth manufacturers. "

It seems the system actually was effective in identifying the abusers. What a waste of our resourses in a program that worked. Now we bear the hardship of getting a prescription for legal use.

Can we have a re-vote or is this the final word?

-- Posted by yy4me on Mon, Dec 6, 2010, at 10:34 PM

Voter elected morons. They pass on the tobacco issue but ban OTC meds. Tobacco has killed more Missourians than meth. At least be consistent.

Who was the allergy doctor so I can make sure I do not visit him. That's like a dentist getting toothpaste banned.

-- Posted by bestpractice on Mon, Dec 6, 2010, at 10:43 PM

I would also like to know who the allergy doctor was.

-- Posted by gomer on Mon, Dec 6, 2010, at 11:03 PM

Mexican meth importers are the true winners tonight. Give it a few years (and our state likely following through with its own ban), and those local tweakers making small batches in their kitchens will seem almost quaint in retrospect compared to the better organized, & more violent gangs of international criminals that will control the manufacturing and distribution of more potent brands of meth that will be shipped here by the ton.

-- Posted by Nil on Mon, Dec 6, 2010, at 11:36 PM

Since the vote was 4 to 3, is it too much to ask to list those who voted for and against the ordinance?

-- Posted by redhawk04 on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 1:10 AM

well , so much for a public vote .

what will the Gestapo ban next ?

save me from the self-righteous !!

-- Posted by ...Rick on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 5:34 AM

When will the government-be it city, county, state, or federal-realize that you cannot stop the process of natural selection. Darwin might have been on to something with his "theory".

-- Posted by Longstroker on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 7:08 AM

I think that an allergy doctor would be biased in his/her decision. When people get sicker because they couldn't get sudafed or claritin-d they will have to go to a doctor. Possibly an allergy doctor? This is just going to hurt the legal users' budgets. Instead of a $3 box of generic sudafed we will have to wait to see a doctor (pay for that appointment) and then pay 2 or 3 times more for the prescription.

-- Posted by thinktank on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 7:09 AM

I know who I will NOT be VOTING for! thanks a lot. i will be sending my medical bills to you.

-- Posted by ManleyPointer on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 7:27 AM

With the tracking system the policeknow who is buying large amounts of sudafed, when they get sudafed illegally from Mexico how are they going to know. American people are tired of big government. Remember this at the next city council elections.

-- Posted by buyer beware on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 7:35 AM

Dr. Sacha has advocated for this in the past, I would expect it to be him. Thank you to all the council members who voted No.

-- Posted by bearded_sage on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 7:39 AM

Erin, could we get a breakdown of which council member voted which way?

-- Posted by bearded_sage on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 7:46 AM

Someone should challenge this in court. Does a city have a right to determine which drugs are under prescription and which are not? I thought that was a federal or partially state jurisdiction? Can the the city decide that heroin based drugs don't need a prescription? Can they require a prescription for acetaminaphen (tylenol). Isn't this a little like requiring people who drive in Cape to have different license plates from the rest of the state? Or requiring cars in Cape to have three headlights? Is this really within their power? What is next? The city deciding we can no longer buy peanuts in Schnucks because some people are allergic? How about a prescription for baked goods? Lot of fat people are dying in Missouri.

-- Posted by ParkerDaws on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 8:08 AM

If this keeps even a little of meth off the streets it is worth it.

-- Posted by 314djhh on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 8:08 AM

Prohibition is scarcely a deterrent to the market. If they opened the flood gates and legalized meth, there would be maybe a 5% increase in the quantity on the street.

Meth's effects speak for themselves. Nobody decides not to use meth because it's illegal, they decide not to use it because it irrevocably jacks you up. A prison sentence is nothing compared to meth addiction.

No less meth will be produced as a consequence of this. Nobody will be turned away, unable to buy it. And nobody who's determined to make meth in their homes will be deterred by a prescription requirement on sudafed. Make it hard enough and they'll buy the ephedra sinica plants and process their own. They're cheaper than a box of sudafed and perfectly legal. Make that illegal and they'll find another way. Years ago, they didn't even use ephedra, anhydrous ammonia was the trick.

Every move you make to keep up the war on drugs will continue to harm innocent people, and will not touch a market unconcerned with your regulations. Get the government out of the drug enforcement business, save the people some money, and empty out your prisons for people who actually harm others.

-- Posted by bearded_sage on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 8:37 AM

This completely enrages me.

I hope there is a self-enterprising doctor out there somewhere who will set up a booth and sell prescriptions for $5 a piece. Because paying out of pocket for an office visit for a couple dollar box of allergy medication is egregious. Obviously the city council members have good insurance co-pays.

I want to know who the YES votes were from.

-- Posted by SteveM on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 8:39 AM

The same question, what about us people that need the allergy meds that cannot afford to go to the Dr and pay the co-pays at Dr office then pay the co-pays at drug store the get the med we need because of the idiots that don't have to worry about that. On a limited income and I mean SS I do have the extra money for all the co-pays, so thanks again for all the help..

-- Posted by kshipley on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 8:45 AM

to he!! with who voted yes, vote them all out! this would be a very strong platform for someone to run on in the next election. i am sure that it can be overturned if the right candidates are elected!

-- Posted by ManleyPointer on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 8:51 AM

This is unbelievable! They clearly do not listen to the will of the majority. Everytime I have read about this, the comments have been overwhelmingly against it.

-- Posted by Ashy on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 9:06 AM

Just when everyone starts getting sick. Think I'll be going across the river instead of paying $100 for a doctor to tell me I need a box of cough meds.

-- Posted by namasteart on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 9:13 AM

Why won't someone from the Missourian state who the allergy doctor was?

-- Posted by gomer on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 9:14 AM

Come on Missourian tell us how the city council voted.

-- Posted by buyer beware on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 9:21 AM

What was the rush? Why not at least give the pseudoephedrine tracking system a chance to work? This is not a matter of life or death! If the tracking system failed to produce results, then this ordinance could be enacted. According to what the officer from Poplar Buuff had to say, the tracking system is already working. I just think our city leaders got "the cart before the horse" on this one.

-- Posted by arrestthem on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 9:42 AM

Come now, surely you can't seriously believe the police and government don't know what is best for us can you. Why they only did this for our own good because we are just too stupid to know any better.

I don't use any of these products, but just may get a prescription on my next doctor's appointment.

-- Posted by Acronym on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 10:18 AM

Now we all know that noone abuses prescription medication, especially if they don't have a prescription in their name. This is seriously a waste of time and money. Just wait until lil' Johnny gets busted at school with a Sudafed in his locker and gets expelled because he didn't have a prescription in his name.

-- Posted by Longstroker on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 10:26 AM

Some doctors won't give you a prescription since you can get cold medicine over the counter now what are people suppose to do that can't get one and are very sick or ill I guess go to the ER huh Stuipd!

-- Posted by capeguy30 on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 10:35 AM

Do the math.........Im a meth head

I get a prescription,,,,X $$$$

The number of refills per prescription... X $$$

prescription cost + refill cost = amount charged for meth(raised to cover prescription cost)

So what we have done is raise the cost of the meth.

Nice job

-- Posted by 2wheeler on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 10:58 AM

To answer some of the questions, Dr. Robert Sacha spoke in favor of the ordinance. The Mayor and Council Members Swan, Schneider, and Tracy voted in favor of the ordinance. Council Members Voss, Lanzotti, and Davis-Proffer voted against. If you have a complaint, the e-mail addresses for the Mayor and City Council Members are listed on the City of Cape Girardeau web-site.

-- Posted by medusa on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 11:09 AM

I will be informing all of my friends and neighbors to vote against Tracy in the next election! come and ask for my vote, and fail to consult on what the people want. this is anything but representive government!

-- Posted by ManleyPointer on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 11:44 AM

The Poplar Bluff officer was not saying that the the tracking system worked, he was saying that almost everyone from Poplar Bluff area that were buying pills in Cape were meth users or producers. The tracking system was only in place for one month. The officers were having to get the info from the companies like Wal Mart and Walgreens. How would the tracking system stop that? A meth cook can come to Cape with his four friends and leave with at least 8 boxes of cold pills and return to Poplar Bluff and cook a large batch of meth with 8 boxes. How is the tracking system going to help that??? With the prescription plan, that will be eliminated.

The tracking system would tell the person's name, but how do you know where the pills were going? Were they going to the person's address on the license. Probably not. Most people who purchase pills are not the meth producers but are the little junkies who then sell the boxes for between $25 and $100 to the meth cooks. Just because you have a person's name does not mean you can arrest them. The prescription plan will GREATLY reduce the amount of people that are able to get pills for the production of meth.

I am all for the plan. If you have a doubt about the explosive nature of a meth lab, then please feel free to contact your local police department and ask them if you can help in dismantling one. Don't forget to bring all your fire proof clothes because you are going to need them.

As for everyone complaining about the people that voted for the plan, how about the council members that did not. Lets look at Lanzotti, who is a attorney who along with his partner represent people who are charged with crime. I would guess that a lot of thier clients are charged with drug offenses. As for David-Proffer, one of the main reasons that a lot of people that I know voted for her is that fact that her husband is a deputy. That will change for the next election.

Just my opinion

-- Posted by cartman on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 11:45 AM

All,

The vote was as follows, The Mayor voted yes, as well as Loretta Schneider, Kathy Swan, and Debra Tracy. Council member John Voss, Mark Lanzotti and Meg Davis Proffer voted against the ordinance.

My apologies for the omission.

-- Posted by Erin Hevern on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 12:23 PM

The question is, do you really think this is going to stop meth producers? Come on don't be foolish. These druggies have to have this stuff. The producers will find a way. The mayor and alderman made this decission without consulting there constituants.

-- Posted by buyer beware on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 1:05 PM

It is good that the southeast missourian provides an outlet for people to express their views on topics such as this. However some knowledge of the topic or experience relating to the issue should be posted along with their opinion.

How many of those opposed to the ordinance have dismantled a meth lab? How many have sucked the fumes of a meth lab into their lungs? How many have had to remove children from a home where meth was being cooked? How many have first hand knowledge of the devastating effects of methamphetamine addiction?

I applaud the council members that approved the ordinance. I can assure you they all carefully studied the pros and the cons and voted for what they belived was best for their community. Their decision was based on information from law enforcement, physicians, pharmacists and community leaders from other jurisdictions that have already enacted the ordinance. The only oppossing view they received was from a mouth piece for the drug industry that stands to lose millions of dollars.

-- Posted by grayfox on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 1:26 PM

grayfox,

Yes, it's highly unlikely that the council made a snap uninformed decision. I'm certain that all the Yes votes were all based on a tremendous amount of well-reasoned rhetoric and not the result of authoritarian fear-mongering.

-- Posted by bearded_sage on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 1:34 PM

Grayfox, If I thought that this ordinance would stop meth production I would be 100% for it. But you can't tell me that these devious pill producers are just going to throw there hands up and say I quit. Tell me how it's going to stop them. This will surely raise the price of meth and the people who have to have it will go to extreme measures to obtain the money to buy it. To listen to the Poplar Bluff police you would believe that all of the meth addicts have kicked the habit. Do you believe that.

-- Posted by buyer beware on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 1:35 PM

Ah, yes. Once again Big Brother will save us from the Evil Criminal Masterminds (meth-makers/sellers this time) by punishing the innocent.

This will not solve the problem - but it will add thousands of persons to the list of people using up the valuable time of a physician - simply to get relief from allergy symptoms. When you all have to wait longer and longer in your doctor's office to be seen for REAL illnesses, remember Big Government did it to you. Be certain to thank Mr Grellnor and his overinflated ego and poorly interpreted data, Mayor Rediger, and the Council members who voted in favor. BTW, to answer a previos posters question: I'm pretty certain that if we can get enough signatures to get it on the ballot, the people of Cape Girardeau CAN vote to repeal this regulation.

The Mexican cartels are certain to be laughing - all the way to the bank.

-- Posted by Little_Mac on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 1:39 PM

When does this go into effect? I'll be curious to see how many units we sell in Cape Girardeau prior to the ban and whether or not it increases.

-- Posted by Kllrfsh on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM

Thank you, grayfox, for your level-headed and reasonable entry. Yours is quite refreshing considering the low level of discourse often found in forums such as this. I must respectfully disagree with you, however. I don't share the neoanarchist viewpoint that some do here - I believe the meth problem must be stopped and can be stopped - but I believe the right thing to do would be for law enforcement entities to intensify what they are already doing, and increase the penalties for manufacturers and distributors of the illegal product.

Perhaps the city council acted out of frustration as a problem exists within the community the solutions for which fall outside of their proper role. I predict this ordinance will not curb the meth problem but will inconvenience legal users of the medicine.

-- Posted by Mark Rutledge on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 1:57 PM

It would be nice if some of the "experts" actually knew what was being called a "meth lab"; most often these are a couple of plastic containers in someones trunk or alongside of the road or in a field. These are nor high priority HazMat sites and this law is not going to have any significant impact on meth production or use.

And yes, I have seen meth labs as have many of the people I worked with.

-- Posted by Acronym on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 1:59 PM

Since this council has found the power to regulate our business and the safety of our children, I propose they adopt a truly progressive ordinance and require ALL resturants install treadmills and weight lifting equipment. In order to purchase a Big Mac you must first walk a quarter mile. That second helping of garlic butter will cost you 3 pushups. That third beer 5 arm curls at 10 pounds. All this to save us from our unhealthy lifestyles.

Since all establishments will be required to do this, none will be disadvantaged. Revenue will increase since only healthy people will now eat out and we all know how beautiful and rich they are. If you can't do the exercise you don't have to eat out.

Trust me, this will save lives and reduce healthcare costs.

-- Posted by yy4me on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 2:05 PM

Another triumph of stupidity and political grandstanding over common sense. Way to go. Maybe we should require rxs. for paint to keep the braindead huffers at bay?

-- Posted by heye1967 on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 2:08 PM

Endangered children...so now these irresponsible parents will somehow become responsible b/c of this ordinance. Give me a break.

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 2:16 PM

If this is just a decision by the city council, then you can just go next door to Jackson to get the medicine. A little out of the way, but not that bad. Just takes revenue away from the city of Cape since people will probably do some shopping while they are there. Just a thought.

-- Posted by truetiger98 on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 2:23 PM

truetiger98, jackson beat 'em to it. It is my understanding you have to have a prescription to buy it there as well.

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 2:24 PM

Turnip-

Just saw that posted somewhere else. My bad.

-- Posted by truetiger98 on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 2:34 PM

this is the dumbest law passed. people keep wondering why health care keeps rising. well this law is one of them. aside from that who wants to pay a 20-25 dollar copay to see a doctor just to get something that we as law abiding citizens should be able to purchase over the counter without question. there should be a register of meth users and when they try to buy this product every cashier is alerted by some sort of id they the meth maker/user has to carry. when they are sick the meth user/maker can't buy meds to make them well from common ailments then maybe they will quit. punish them not people that obey the law.

-- Posted by hshelia1 on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 2:44 PM

all law abiding citizens who can no longer buy over the counter cold and allergy meds should send all their medical bills to there congress people each time they have see a doctor to get simple meds that should still be allowed to be bought over the counter. maybe then they will give us our freedom back.

-- Posted by hshelia1 on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 2:47 PM

Who else is sick of getting treated like a child by government at every single level?

-- Posted by Lumpy on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 2:53 PM

This City "regulatory" Council once known as the Cape Girardeau City Council is out of control.

I agree with ParkerDaws in that this ban should be contested in a court of law as I believe the City does not have the power to enforce such a ban! That being said, this current Council is way out of touch and seems not to have the ability to think with any reason. Agendas and personal motives are rampant on this Council and as for this City resident and tax payer, I am simply sick of them!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 3:21 PM

People sure whine a lot on here. I'm all for the ordinance, and believe it will help out tremendously. If you think the meth makers will be able to get large amounts of pseudoephedrine,tell me how. I'm sure the police would love to know too! They aren't going to see a doctor, and no doctor in his right mind would see any of these toothless dirty people and give them a script anyhow. hoorah

-- Posted by dixiewrecked on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 3:24 PM

So Cape has passed even more NEW laws today. Doesnt it seem like we have enough laws already. I think maybe we need a few less laws. But as long as people are making money by writting new laws, we'll just keep getting them. It just amazes me how fast Americans are willing to give away rights. We'll fight and die to protect them. But we'll give them away when ever asked.

SO now if I get a cold, I'll have to pay to see a doctor before I can get something for it? Well I cant aford to do all that. And I'm not gonna spend 30 minutes in a doctors waiting room, and take off work to see a doctor for a runny nose. I hate going to see doctors. I have to be bleeding or in pain to get me near one. I'll just have to walk around and sneeze on everything. So I want to say I'm sorry for that Cape, but I have no choice. oh no... atchew! Well I hope no one catches that!

-- Posted by timexx on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 3:52 PM

Here are several things to watch! Missouri Medcaide payments will go way up. AND due to the CO PAY for the doctor trip. You should also expect to see more sick kids at school this year. A lot of parents will have to do the "Chicken Soup" fix and send the kids to school anyway.

HOWEVER. Now that we'll have no meth heads and meth makers in Cape. We can then save all the money spent on Law Enforcement. And that should help pay for the new Obama Health Care!

-- Posted by timexx on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 4:04 PM

I guess everyone will have to use a pair of tennis shoes and a handkerchief for a runny nose.

-- Posted by Hawker on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 4:19 PM

dixiewrecked--Thanks for describing all our grandparents.. Not all of us are as high class as you.

I think the council outta take a look at this message board and see how 95% of people disagree with their decision.

-- Posted by namasteart on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 4:39 PM

They aren't going to see a doctor, and no doctor in his right mind would see any of these toothless dirty people and give them a script anyhow. hoorah

-- Posted by dixiewrecked on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 3:24 PM

Do some research. Doctors cannot refuse to see patients because of the way they look or because of their criminal record. While "meth heads" do have a particular look, other conditions can produce similar symptoms.

As mentioned previously, drugs will now come from Mexico along with Mexican gangsters, have you not been watching what is going on in Arizona and other states?

-- Posted by Acronym on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 4:42 PM

So can I just drive to Perryville to buy my over the counter stuff still? Thats still cheaper than a doctors visit.

-- Posted by doubtingthomas on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 4:43 PM

dixiewrecked, have you ever heard of the sayin': Where there is a will, there is a way. Perhaps 'they' will do a lil' traveling like they had been or here's a novel idea, the internet. They didn't ban psuedophedrine for pete's sake, they just made it harder to get around here.

No matter, I hear the Mexican drug lords have their eye on the market anyway, they should be much more fun to deal with than some local stupid arses who have fried all their brain cells sniffin' Drano.

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 4:44 PM

Dixiewrecked, the people that are "whining" are the law abiding hard working citizens who get to pay the price for someone else's bad decisions. You're right that the meth makers arent gonna go see the doctor to try and get pseudo, and neither are the uninsured people who wont be able to afford a doctor's visit to get a simple $5 bottle of medicine. So the next time you get sick, you may have just got infected from someone who couldnt afford the doctor

-- Posted by John_In_Cape on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 5:23 PM

The medical industry in Cape will clean up on this deal with all of the office visits, you go to the doctor plan on a long wait in the lobby this winter. The middle class pays once again for a few thugs never ceases to amaze me. The council did not study the financial affect this is going to cause a lot of families, some with no insurance at all and many with the office co-pays canceled on them due to the high cost of health insurance, but that didn't matter to them. I agree with a man that made a statement in the St Louis Post the other day about this subject, "He said this issue has been so over dramatized by some and the tracking system has not even had a chance to work yet".

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 5:51 PM

If you think this ban will solve the problem - google "pseudoephedrine smuggling" and read some of the articles. It's an international probem and has now become part of the Mexican cartels multi-billion dollar business. Since we refuse to close our borders, there is no way to stop smuggling. For several years - in response to laws in several States that require scrips - pseudoephedrine has been smuggled to meth makers in many of those States. The labs still exist. The only difference is they are now run by drug syndicates instead of being "mom and pop" or "shake and bake" labs.

If you really want to get serious about the problem you have to do several things:

1. Education and rehabilitation of the users. They aren't the criminals, they and their fasmilies are the victims. Get them off of the poisons and make them useful members of society.

2. You have to get down and dirty. Charge the meth makers and suppliers with terrorism or crimes against humanity and execute them. They are scum with no compassion for their fellow man. Their punishmeent has to make a statement. Until we, as a society, grow the testicles to say "enough" and treat these criminals like the vermin they are and begin to exterminate them, there is no chance we will win the day.

I feel many of you cringing at this even as I type. We currently send the meth makers to prison, where they get parole and return to the streets and many return to their old ways. It's simple: when we catch these vermin, we end them. Once our State gets a rep for giving no quarter, it will become too expensive to risk doing business here. True, even that measure will probably not completely end the problem, but, I would be willing to bet it will take a bigger bite out of the business than requiring a scrip to buy Sudafed. Look at piracy as an example. The world's governments hunted down and exterminated the high seas pirates, and for more than two centuries, with the exception of the occasional regional flare up by some local criminals, there has been little or no piracy.

3. Let all the nations of the world know that if they do not take control of their own countries and eliminate their drug lords - the cartels in Mexico for example - WE WILL! Locate their bases of operation, their fields and plants, and send stealth bombers to eliminate them. Decades ago we declared a "War on Drugs", but we have not had the guts to actually fight the war.

-- Posted by Little_Mac on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 8:06 PM

Yea yea maybe I'm too high class. Obvi I was over exaggerating, and know a MD cannot refuse a pt. Just was saying I dont think they would ever write them a script. Profiling maybe? yes...hey it happens. Half the time they say they are out of sudafed at the pharm, and sell it to only nice looking people. who knew? I think people over react and think they will die if they dont get all powerful sudafed. It's not even supposed to be used more than 7 days in a row...if you use it everyday, you probably are addicted to it and now have rebound congestion. But what do I know...maybe the ~5% of people who are too poor/dumb to go get the proper prescription for a anticholinergic/antihistamine/a steroid, are just using the cheap quick fix of sudafed are the only ones on here commenting, bashing our local politicians for trying to do what will maybe save a life. Sucks to suck folks...nothing you can do now. bash on

-- Posted by dixiewrecked on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 9:06 PM

At least now we can get stronger Nyquil by a Script!

-- Posted by vietnamvet on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 9:11 PM

And spare me the comments about being trampled by the big bad government and not standing up for my rights. It's just pretty obvious this shouldve been a controlled substances from the start. Think if percocet or xanex was OTC and they took it off and made it RX. Yeah you would never be in pain or have anxiety, but people would abuse the heck out of it, and everyone would get addicted. If they made it regulated, would you still throw a fit like now?? I'm going to guess yes

-- Posted by dixiewrecked on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 9:14 PM

Is it me, or is it funny how all year Republicans have screamed about "We dont want Govenernmemt in our health care". But isnt that what they are doing here? Just saying.... kind of funny to me?

-- Posted by timexx on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 9:18 PM

Maybe this will move the scum out of our city. At least deter other people from driving around our city looking for someone to sell them Sudafed.

And I dont think this will increase doctor visits, these people aren't going to make an appt and go to a doctor visit to get a RX. And if they did, like someone else said, doctors aren't dumb, they are going to know if they are faking an illness or keep coming back for the same thing. And none of the doctors in Cape even take Medicaid or Medicare do they? These people just treat the local ER's like their family doctor.

Speaking of that as well, if they do come to the ER, I have a simple solution: a urine test. If you test positive for amphetamines without proof of a RX, you're leaving empty handed.

Unfortuately, as my mother always told me, some people just have to ruin it for everyone.

-- Posted by bubbles32 on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 9:06 PM

So if I have to go get a prescription for Sudafed, does that mean I will get prescription strength Sudafed (i.e. more pseudophedrine) from the pharmacy?

-- Posted by ArkieInMO on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 11:25 PM

Well let's see, since the government got in the drug war bussiness in 1970 the price of drugs on the street have skyrocketed making selling and producing one of the most profitable jobs around which is demonstrated by all the bling and multi-thousand dollar cars with multi-thousand dollar stereo's and wheels. The prison population has skyrocketed along with the financial burden to tax payers. Drug wars have escalated all over the world. The user's and abuser's are not detered by jail or propaganda. There are more drugs and better quality drugs more redily available on the street and al the while there is a call for more cop's,courts, and public defenders to handle the cases. If that isn't enough to demonstrat that the government has no business in the drug deterence business they appear to be in the cartell's back pocket by creating and doing everything possible to keep the prices high and the demand for foriegn suppy high. Now they are gonna put grandma in jail if she has a cold pill in her purse without a script. And they wonder why voter's are more and more anti-government. Elected official's need to protect the people, but not from themselves. Grown up adult's want freedom to make thier own decission's without a government that doesn't know what it is doing, trying to control our lives.

-- Posted by EZ Rider on Fri, Dec 10, 2010, at 12:14 PM

dixiewrecked;

If memory serves, going back a couple decades, pseudoephedrine was once prescription only. It was found to be safe and, eventually, was made available OTC at a reduced strength.

Can't compare this to the narcotics you mentioned - apples and oranges.

"maybe the ~5% of people who are too poor/dumb to go get the proper prescription for a anticholinergic/antihistamine/a steroid, are just using the cheap quick fix of sudafed are the only ones on here commenting, bashing our local politicians for trying to do what will maybe save a life."

-- Posted by dixiewrecked on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 9:06 PM

Several things wrong with this comment. First, you buy into a fallacy perpetrated by others that 95% of all purchases go to meth-makers. That means, that if you and I were ever in line with nine others to purchase Sudafed at the same time you are, by definition, a manufacturer of meth and, therefore, a criminal. How do I know? Because I know I am not a meth maker and if 95% who purchase are, then it has to be you. So, you and all the others should be in jail.

Second, the too poor/dumb comment is over the line. We are a family of five. Do you really think we have the time to sit in a physicians office every time one of us gets a cold or an attack of sinus? Why would we wish to when there is no cure for the commoncold and all we need is temporary relief from the symptoms so we can function! I use Sudafed about twice a year for 2-4 days, my wife and children about the same, so we are hardly habitual users. Not every ailment requires steroids, prescription antihistamines, or antibiotics, and few require atropine - in fact, short of nerve agent poisoning, I can't think of a single common ailment that would require atropine (that would be the most commonly used anticholinergic).

Perhaps we should take your conclusion out to it's logical extreme: eliminate all OTC products, make every medication prescription - even ibuprofen and aspirin; heck even vitamins. After all, to much of certain vitamins can be deadly.

Oh, and lest I forget - we must make certain we get a scrip to purchase nutmeg - kids are sniffing it and dying. Seems it depresses the central nervous system causing failure of the autonomic systems. It should at least be kept behind a counter at the local grocery and sold only in limited quantities, by a licensed, certified Chef de cuisine, to persons over the age of 18, and a tracking system should be put in place to find out who is buying it because 90% of people buying it are probably selling it to kids so we need to know who is buying it in quantities that exceed their needs (according to an arbitrary number established by a government agency). Hey, this all sounds familiar...

No, I will not spare you the Big Brother crap. We do have too much government involvement in our private lives. And, this still punishes the innocent and does little to prevent the crime. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? This assumes guilt on the part of everyone and innocence on the part of no one. That's what really elevates my BP.

-- Posted by Little_Mac on Fri, Dec 10, 2010, at 2:31 PM

this law gets on my nerves! everyday we ask ourselves how we can save money. we are not saving any as a country if every time you get the simple common cold that you have to go the see a doctor just to get meds. that should already be sold to you over the counter.

The law abiding citizens are being punished and the criminals are sitting back laughing. how unfair is that.

the criminals should be put in a register and if they have ever made meth, sold it whatever then their name comes up in every system in missouri and stores may not sell cold meds to them.

then that way cold meds can be put back on the shelf so that law abiding people can save money!

-- Posted by hshelia1 on Mon, Mar 7, 2011, at 7:45 AM


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Cape Girardeau City Council action
Public hearings

* Held a public hearing regarding the request of Fruitland Livestock Market to zone property south of LaSalle Avenue on both sides of Baldwin Drive to the R-3, high-density family residential district and to the C-2, highway commercial district.

* Held a hearing to consider an amendment to the zoning ordinance to limit the number of domestic servants in residential areas.

Consent agenda

* Approved an ordinance annexing land to the city, on the request of Fruitland Livestock Market Inc. Second and third reading.

* Approved an ordinance amending the boundaries of Ward 4 to include properties annexed by the city. Second and third reading.

* Approved an ordinance accepting a sanitary sewer easement on the Clippard School property from Dr. James Welker, superintendent of the Cape Girardeau School District. Second and third reading.

* Approved an ordinance authorizing the mayor to execute a quitclaim deed to the state of Missouri releasing interest in an easement on Missouri Veterans Home property. Second and third reading.

* Approved an ordinance accepting a quitclaim deed, temporary construction easements and a permanent slope easement from the state for Veterans Memorial Drive on Missouri Veterans Home property. Second and third reading.

* Approved an ordinance approving the record plat of Thorngate Subdivision. Second and third reading.

* Approved a resolution authorizing the city manager to execute an agreement with Preferred Resource Network Inc., d/b/a Personal Assistance Service, for an employee assistance program. Reading and passage.

* Approved a resolution authorizing the city manager to execute a website development and hosting agreement on behalf of the city with Element 74 LLC. Reading and passage.

* Approved a resolution authorizing the city manager to execute a release of lien for 915 Bloomfield St. for the Good Hope/Jefferson Neighborhood Restoration Project. Reading and passage.

* Approved a motion accepting the improvements completed under the Osage Community Centre Construction, Phase II Project and the new Family Aquatics Center, and authorizing final payment to Penzel Construction Co. Inc.

* Approved a motion approving the modification of the special use permit for a telecommunication tower at 204 N. Kingshighway and changing the ownership of the special use permit to include both Roberts Communication Properties LLC and American Tower Corp.

Items removed from the consent agenda

* Approved an ordinance repealing sections of Chapter 30, and repealing and enacting new sections of Chapter 25 of the code of ordinances, regarding billboards, signs, fences, retaining walls, landscaping and bufferyards. Second and third reading.

* Approved an ordinance amending Chapter 17 of the code of ordinances of the by adding a new Article XI titled "Regulation of Methamphetamine Precursor Drugs." Second and third reading.

New ordinances

* Approved an ordinance accepting fee simple interest and temporary construction easements from various property owners for the Lewis and Clark Parkway (Veterans Memorial Drive Phase 1) Project. First reading.

* Approved an ordinance approving the record plat of a resubdivision of Lot 25 of Lexington Place Second Subdivision. First reading.

* Approved an ordinance approving the record plat of a resubdivision of Lots P38, P39 and P40 of the Lochs at Dalhousie -- Phase IV and Lots P85, P86 and P87 of the Lochs at Dalhousie -- Corrected, amended. First reading.

* Approved an ordinance vacating the city's interest in utility easements in the area of 1533 Helmsdale Drive. First reading.

* Approved an ordinance amending Chapter 30 of the code of ordinances, by changing the zoning south of LaSalle Avenue and on both sides of Baldwin Drive in the city and county from R-1 and R-3 and C-2. First reading.

* Approved an ordinance amending chapter 30 of the code of ordinances regarding domestic servants. First reading.

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