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Speak Out 10/4/10

Monday, October 4, 2010

Casino poetry

A casino for Cape, I sure hope not; if luck holds out, they'll find another spot.

Extending school year

IT'S going to be humorous to watch all of these so-called supporters of school reform come up with every rationale conceivable to oppose the extension of the school year. Even though it's one of the things that give other advanced countries a huge advantage, both middle and upper class parents and their progeny want summers off for vacations, golf and other learning experiences not accessible for those of lower economic status.

FairTax support

THE FairTax would be the largest shift of power from the federal government to the American people since the revolution. As Ronald Reagan said, "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem."

Real cuts

I challenge every candidate calling for reduced federal spending to clearly state what parts of the budget they propose cutting. It's easy to promise cuts amounting to a few percent of the deficit to rally support. A real reduction in the deficit, however, would require cuts in Medicare, Social Security, defense spending or a combination.

Homeless housing

A local pastor told me today that he is in desperate need of housing for homeless women. While they are able to help the men who need assistance, he's had to turn the women away for lack of safe housing. Surely someone in Cape Girardeau has property they would be willing to donate for a good cause.

Religion and gambling

I am no Bible scholar, but I have checked and I cannot find anything in the Bible about gambling. I don't want to go to hell, so would someone please tell me where in the Bible it says you can't gamble? Unless I see proof, I will assume it's OK with God.

Kids and school year

AMERICANS claim to be serious about education. However, when a suggestion is made to extend the school year to equal that of other advanced nations in the world, the public will come up with every excuse in the book not to do so. To me, this illustrates that the children rule the roost.

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FairTax support --- smells like Socialism to me..

Real cuts --- the obvious place to begin would be ObamaCare...

Homeless housing --- so turn the men away and help the women....

Kids and school year --- where is the guarantee that a longer school year equals smarter students ?

-- Posted by ad..man on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 4:19 AM

Extending school year: That will really bring the drop-out rate down.

Real cuts: Why don't we cut some of the government officials' staff. It might better focus them on what is really going on and they would actually have to work for their pay.

Kids and school year: Education was a much stronger tool when it was sought not shoved down children's throats. You may be satisfied with your butt in a desk chair year-round; but, many of these children have to be drugged to keep them in their seats during the months they are already forced to attend. Stop trying to make perfect little robots. Many of our greatest leaders had difficulty in school. It is not the answer for all.

-- Posted by Nanno on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 7:52 AM

Real Cuts:

How about starting with the fact that the U.S. has a military presence in over 300 foreign countries? That would be a GREAT place to start cutting expenses. Pull out of at least half of them and we could afford any luxury politicians could dream up. Doing away with earmarks would have the same effect. Whadya say?

-- Posted by Rocket_Surgeon on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 8:05 AM

Casino poetry - bring something new to the "Table" haha get it? but seriously, these type of calls are annoying

Extending school year - Watch the news story on Finland, do what they do. Or set it to whomever drops out, STRAIGHT to jail, maybe that will work

FairTax support - See Below

Real cuts - Cut gov't jobs as well as make them join the REST of the American people's social welfare

Homeless housing - well there's a start...

Religion and gambling - Isn't there something about Jesus throwing tables? But that was people basically stealing if I remember correctly. To me it looks like Casino's don't take anyone's money, people willing give it, sounds good to me!

Kids and school year - Another call?

-- Posted by vf43WRX on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 8:18 AM

Rocket_Surgeon Wrote:

"How about starting with the fact that the U.S. has a military presence in over 300 foreign countries?"

Can you name them? There are only 192 member nations in the United Nations, and the United States only recognizes 194 nations (The Vatican City and Kosovo are not U.N. Members). I doubt we have A U.S. military Presence even in the majority of those, unless you are counting the guards at our embassies.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 8:28 AM

Real cuts, How about doing away with Essential Air Service subsidy program? In Cape alone (times 147 other subsidized communities), a two year contract cost taxpayers "$1.47 million, or $1,177.66 per flight, to provide the service."


How about cutting corporate welfare programs? In the last 30 days...

^TG Missouri, $500,000 Industrial Infrastructure Community Development Block Grant


^Gilster-Mary Lee. 674,655 Federal Community Development Block Grant

^Noranda, $1 million Energy Efficiency Pilot Grant

^Noranda, $3.5 million in Community Development Block Grant

^Noranda, $2.5 million in Development Tax Credits

^Noranda, $2 million in Job Retention Training Program funds.


-- Posted by coke zero on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 8:39 AM

Shapely Hunter beat me to it. How in the heck can you have a military presence in over 300 countries when as of 2010 there's only 203 sovereign nations in the world? The entire military budget, including the current wars, is a drop in the bucket compared to the entitlement programs being pushed by this current and past liberal administrations. You could disband the U.S. Military totally and still not pay for them!

BTW, gotta give Rocket_Surgeon credit for getting one thing right. Earmarks have got to go!


-- Posted by Data48 on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 8:40 AM

Opposition to the Fair Tax because there might be a few people who do not benefit is selfish and foolish. EVERYBODY suffers because of the current system, even people who are on the dole.

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 10:16 AM

The Bible does mention gambling in a negative light. Matthew 27:35 35When they had crucified him, they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

Casting lots was like rolling dice.

You want to fix education? Fix the teachers union! Horrible teachers can't be fired and they constantly lobby for the status quo and how they need more money even though we spend more per child than any industrialised nation.

-- Posted by LEGION63 on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 11:08 AM

Me'Lange wrote:

"The "entitlement" program debate gets old, because most who toss that word around have no clue what that are talking about.

Entitlement programs are funded by taxpayer TAXES for those specific benefits/programs."

Not entirely. The budget writers classify about 60% of spending as 'entitlement', which includes such things as Social Security (for which there is a tax), Medicare (for which there is a tax), Medicaid (for which there is no tax), Pensions (for which there is no tax), Welfare (for which there is no tax), SCHIP (for which there is no tax), interest on the federal debt (for which there is no tax), and so on. Your limited definition of 'entitlements' is not consistent with the term as it is used in Washington and elsewhere.

The 2010 budget anticipate the combined revenue from Social Security and Medicare taxes at $904 billion, but those programmes are budgeted to pay out $1.13 trillion, so the 'earmarked' taxes are not sufficient to meet the obligations of those programmes. Additionally and contrary to popular belief, the Supreme Court decided in 1960 (Fleming v. Nestor) that no one is 'entitled' to Social Security payments.

Ephram Nestor, deported in 1956 for being a Communist, was denied his claim for benefits because Congress passed a bill prohibiting Social Security benefits for deportees in 1954. Nestor sued. He claimed title to his FICA tax payments between 1936 and 1955, the year he retired. The Supreme Court decided: "To engraft upon the Social Security system a concept of 'accrued property rights' would deprive it of the flexibility and boldness in adjustment to ever-changing conditions which it demands."4

The Court also noted: "It is apparent that the non-contractual interest of an employee covered by the Act cannot be soundly analogized to that of the holder of an annuity, whose right to benefits is bottomed on his contractual premium payments."

This reflects the Court's previous ruling in the 1937 Helvering v. Davis casem where it ruled: "The proceeds of both the employee and employer taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like any other internal revenue generally, and are not earmarked in any way."

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 11:18 AM


I'm talking of the federal budget, so I'm dealing with the federal aspect of funding. It does not matter if some States earmark taxes for their share of 'entitlement' programmes, since those taxes do not impact federal spending.

If the states want to remove themselves from the federal programme and fund them themselves (as they should), that is a different issue. I've been talking about the federal budget, and federal entitlement programmes, as have most others here.

Expansion of the SCHIP programme was 'paid for' by increases in the tobacco tax, in accordance with the balanced budget amendment, but the increased taxes were not 'earmarked' for the programme.

I am talking, of course, about federal pensions, paid through the Civil Service Retirement System, whose funding shortfalls are made up by tax dollars.


The key point, however, is that all the taxes go into, and come out of, the general fund. President Bush sought to change this, over time, with his Social Security overhaul which would have privatized some percentage of Social Security funds, with the goal of eventually moving retirees into a private system and weaning them off the government teat. This would get the federal government out of the retirement business, as it should be.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 12:28 PM

Me'Lange wrote:

"Not going to debate this issue. I have no doubts, those who witch and moan about "entitlements" will hold their hands out when they or a loved one is "entitled".

If the money is made available, then they cannot be denied access to if they meet the eligibility requirements. That's why the only solution is to end the availability.

The people have been duped into believing that they are 'entitled' to the money, having paid money in. However, as the court has said, they are not 'entitled' to it.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 12:33 PM

I don't know very much about the "Fair Tax", but the more I hear other people commenting on it convinces me they don't know very much about it either.

-- Posted by voyager on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 1:10 PM

Me'Lange wrote:

"Shapley, Assuming the law remains the same, do you plan to collect your social security benefits? And why? I rest my case."

You rest your case on what? I said quite clearly that, if the monies are available and one meets the requirements, there is no reason they should not apply for them and receive them. That is not the same as being 'entitled' to them.

FWIW, I don't expect Social Security to survive, as we know it today, until the time I am eligible to receive it. It's now paying out more in benfits than it brings in in taxes, several years early than expected. The non-existent 'trust fund' will similarly be depleted before the time predicted, unless something drastic is done. However, those who think they are 'entitled' to it demand that no cuts be made, no redution in increases even. Mr. Obama, when faced with the possibility that all those voters wouldn't get a raise (since they were not entitled to one by the formulae devised to determine COLA's), had the Congress issue them all $250 'gifts', courtesy of the taxpayers, knowing that he would be blamed for the lack of increase.

I'm not objecting to the idea of 'welfare' or of 'helping the poor'. What I am objecting to is the idea of 'entitlement' to such things. I am 'entitled' to the money in my bank account, because it is mine. I am 'entitled to that portion of my retirment in which I am vested, because it is mine. I am not 'entitled' to a penny from the Treasury, nor are you nor anyone else, except those who have been contracted to perform work for the government and who have fulfilled their obligations under that contract with regards to services rendered.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 1:51 PM

Thanks for letting me have the last word, again.

If they are available, I will likely take advantage of them. That does not mean I will be 'entitled' to them, which is the whole point of my discussion. Even if I were to feel 'entitled' to them, 'feeling' is not the same as 'being'.

However, what brought the whole discussion into focus is the claim that all 'entitlements' are paid for through earmarked taxes. I have clearly shown that such is not the case.


-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 2:33 PM

Just couldn't let me get the last word in, again, could you? :)

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 3:06 PM

i think it's apparent who the fence post is...☺

-- Posted by ad..man on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 6:21 PM

me lang Social security pays for all these deadbeats,last time I saw my paycheck stub it was a deduction

-- Posted by Peedo on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 8:03 PM

A fence post is only useful if it stands its ground and doesn't waver.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 8:15 PM


-- Posted by peacock111 on Sat, Oct 23, 2010, at 9:42 AM

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