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Friday, April 2, 2010

Repeal Obamacare

WHEN are the health care lemmings going to wake up? Obamacare will prove to be one of the biggest mistakes ever made. The so-called reforms will destroy the American health insurance industry, bankrupt us and ruin our country. Taxes and premiums will go up, and care will go down. Bureaucracy will become maddening, and we will continue to lose our rights to privacy and personal choice. Our children will increasingly be burdened with debts that they will never get out from under and will further be subjugated by a government that seeks total control over our lives and property. Obamacare needs to be repealed quickly before it can do any real damage.

Tax tyranny

IT is now law you must purchase insurance whether you want it or not. If your employer provides you with a great plan, you'll pay 40 percent in taxes on it. If you do not purchase insurance, you must pay a fine. If you do not pay the fine, one of the 17,000 new IRS agents the bill created will come after you. Welcome to tyranny.

Will was violated

WITH the health care bill, the will of the American people was violated, just as was the Constitution. Thirty-six percent of people supported the bill, and it is obviously unconstitutional to require citizens to purchase a service as a condition of citizenship.

Not enough

WHAT a hoot. Some Republicans representatives are returning to their districts and telling constituents they didn't vote for the health care reform bill because it didn't go far enough.

Education grants

CONGRATULATIONS to Delaware and Tennessee for winning the federal Race to the Top grants to make substantial and much-needed educational innovations to improve student achievement. Shame on Missouri politicians for making little more than a token effort to get the money, likely because of fear and trembling in the face of Missouri's organized teacher opposition.

Making history

REGARDING the comment that equated President Obama's speech about doing something historic with Dec. 7, 1941. We won that war. I hope we win this one too. Health care is not fair for everyone. As a physician I firmly believe this and am in favor of health care legislation. I may be in the minority of physicians, but I do care about people. Let's make some history in a good way, just like we did in World War II.

Mortgage help

I see the taxpayers are going to help people who can't pay their mortgages. This is something that I'm sure these people need, but if they bought houses they could not afford, they need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. They make their own problems and then holler for help. That's not right.

Pit bull danger

IT'S a shame you can't walk in the 900 block of South Pacific Street because of the pit bulls. The other day I almost was bitten. The city needs to ban people from having pit bulls at all. Some child is going to get hurt.

Say thank you

I wish parents would start teaching their children how to say thank you. It is a shame children are not saying thank you when you do something for them. It's important, and I wish parents would teach children to be polite.

Time for change

REGARDING the comment that we have "the best health care plan in the world." We do not. People who had money were able to fly to India for medical procedures. This is not the best health care in the world when people go overseas for cheaper and better medical care. We do not have the best health care in the world, and that's why it is a time for a change. People voted for change. I'm glad for President Obama and the success he had in this and the hard work he put in to get this health care legislation passed.

Freedom of choice

PLANNED Parenthood has done a lot of good for this country. I did not have children before I needed to have them. There are some who would force women to do things the way they want things done. I'm glad to live in an America where I have a choice. I'm thankful Planned Parenthood was there for me. The greatest thing we have is our freedom to choose. That's what America is about.

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We have the best health care system in the world, it is imperfect. It does not need to be destroyed so it can be saved.

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 1:04 AM

Good morning from sunny California. Reguardless of left vs right, lib vs cons, or any other us vs them... it is a beautiful day. The sun rose, the sky is clear, family is well, and I am enjoying my vacation. Don't know if the sun will set, but am almost postitive it will. Life is good, or at least what we make of it.

Hope everyone is well. It is amazing when the cares of the world are put on hold. I will go back to reality when my vacation is over.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 9:10 AM


enjoy it while you can !

have a **** good time and take care of yourself out there ....there's lotsa crazy folks ya know ....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 9:23 AM

Thanks Rick. Actually I used to be one of those crazy people. lol Things have changed and stayed the same since the last I was out here. Friends/family keep asking if I want to move back, but I actually enjoy Cape (even with all the righties j/k) and can't see myself moving back here. Doesn't hurt that being 2000 miles away from family keeps me out of the day to day family drama stuff.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 9:46 AM

Hello Pups! Enjoy your vacation and have a safe trip home.

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 10:04 AM

Thanks Turnip. About to get the day started here. Things to see, people to do... oh sorry reverse that. haha j/k!!!

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 10:24 AM

Been awhile since I posted here, but just had to respond to this talking point by Rush, Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly and the rest of the agitators. Best healthcare care system in the world. LOL The rest of the story is we are have a ranking of 37 out of the 190 healthcare systems as per the The World Health Organization ranking. Yes, if you are extremely wealthy, you can find some great healthcare here in the U.S., but for the average American we fall behind such countries as Malta, Portugal, Greece, Iceland, Columbia, United Kingdom, Chile, Canada, and Costa Rica. Oh Costa Rica is where Rush is relocating because of the passage of the Healthcare Bill, hope he enjoys universal healthcare down there. So "NO" we don't have the best healthcare system in the world. I know this is gonna cause you the heave, as it does me, but France is ranked #1. Please google to see the truth. Talking points make good conversation and agitation, but ones integrity can take a big hit by invoking them as fact.

-- Posted by oldvet on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 10:55 AM


i'm glad you're an expert on this stuff , somebody needs to be ..

i gotta wonder why you're still selling it tho , i mean , if it's that good and all ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 12:55 PM

If you are a person who makes 100,000 per year then YOU NEED to have health insurance coverage already

-- Posted by cadillacman on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 11:23 AM

How so. What makes you, or the government think you can tell me what I need

-- Posted by Producer1 on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 1:39 PM

Stop singling out pit bulls. im so tired of this. yes i know they can be dangerous, any breed can be dangerous, it is all in how you raise them. i have 2 pit bulls and live in cape and you are ridiculous if you think the city is going to ban them. both of my pits are very sweet and would not hurt anyone unless they felt threatened or provoked. again its all in how they are raised and if they get into the hands of the wrong people. get real PLEASE

-- Posted by pokerface on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 2:05 PM

Pit bull danger....S. Pacific st., ahhh, yes...I'm sure the dogs are the problem. Get real!

Say thank you...I agree. Now if only we could teach the adults' manners. ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 3:00 PM


would you feed a pitbull a cupcake ?

i wouldn't !

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 3:47 PM

Rick, I do it ALL the time. ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 7:17 PM

old vet, The ranking by the WHO quoted by you is a ten year old ranking. The WHO is no longer producing this ranking to what they call the complexity of the task.

Perhaps one of the reasons for "better health care" is that these countries have everything controlled by the government. I do not care to live under their style of government. Getting TORT reform interstate competition, and controlling our tax system would do wonders in encouraging more students to enter the field of medicine rather than other fields. Shortage of physicians is one of our major problems. Dumping millions of illegals and others in the system will only make that worse, not better. WTO being an arm of the UN is not without its critics.

-- Posted by Balmy on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 10:25 PM


I believe Caddy has been pilfering Granny's meds. I think he is trying to say that tax credits of up to 250-400% of poverty level which could exceed $75,000 in income will be available for a family of six. i.e. the taxpayers will pay for their insurance through tax credits.

If that is not the case, then who knows what he is saying. However, Caddy has to be complimented on this post in that it does not mention race. God works in mysterious ways.

-- Posted by Balmy on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 10:47 PM

Balmy, they still produce statistics of health care by country if you would care to look. But that is neither here nor there, the second paragraph first sentence of your post tells the story. I will now wander back to my hole and watch the silly banter from the black echo.

-- Posted by oldvet on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 8:17 AM

If you don't think our health care system needs reform, carry individual health insurance on your child. Have said child develop Type I diabetes. Child should be in good shape because you are entitled to carry an individual policy forever so long as you pay the premiums, right? WRONG. If the child grows up and needs to move to get a job and that portion of the state isn't in the SAME BCBS area, he or she can get coverage, if you want to pay several THOUSAND dollars each month in premiums and maybe not be covered for the diabetes.

That type of problem faces spouses whose husbands retire before the wife reaches medicare age and thousands of others who have always had health insurance but lose it because of a lost job, needing to move to another area, or here in Missouri, because the insurance company can gradually entice your "community pool" members to other plans leaving a pool member who develops a medical condition in a small pool with prohibitive premiums or so small they get permission from the Department of Insurance to drop the plan.

Naw. We don't need health care reform.

-- Posted by sunshine51 on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 10:07 AM

Another observation on complaints about the new health care bill.

People observe that there will be a shortage of primary physicians. Wake up, there was already going to be a shortage. Two factors in the existing shortage are earnings power and education cost. Primary care physicians earn less than specialist so everyone wants to be a specialist. Combined with the horrendous cost of medical school, medical students naturally are drawn to fields where they can pay off those student loans in their lifetime and to geographic areas that will support them (or the quality of life they want for their families).

Maybe we should look at those factors and do something innovative right now to develop a larger pool of primary care physicians willing to serve in any/every area of the US.

-- Posted by sunshine51 on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 10:26 AM


for every sob story i hear about folks without insurance , i can point out several people who do not want insurance and will not get insurance no matter what the laws say ..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 11:30 AM


Don't read much on here anymore so I just now saw your post; enjoy your vacation.

Regarding the other topics "meh".

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 2:11 PM


It's a shame that your comments make it look like you think it's a sob story when the system doesn't work the way most of us think that it is supposed to work.

Most people buying individual health insurance policies, especially from major insurers like BCBS or United think that they can keep their policies as long as they pay the premiums. They don't know that they can lose their policy just by moving, sometime just over a county line or even a few miles over a state border, especially when they may have been using medical providers in the area that they move to.

BCBS is a franchised network. All insurance companies are licensed by states. A move instate to a different 'franchise' area or over a state border to a different state's regulatory area entitles the insurer for that area to 'rate' the customer and set the premium based upon their current personal risk, not the risk of the general community. If they don't want to cover you, they can set the premium at thousands of dollars each month. I know, I've seen the quotes.

It also negates the basic premise that you buy insurance before you need it and spread the risk among others doing the same. By re-rating the customer, risk is only spread among others in the same boat that the particular customer finds himself/herself in. It also negates the basic contract with your insurer that you pay premiums when you don't need the coverage so it is there when you do need it and that you will continue to be covered as long as you pay your premiums.

The lack of insurance coverage can make the difference between life and death when certain medical conditions strike because the ability to pay for treatment frequently determines whether or not the patient receives treatment, but your comments sure look to me like you think that is just too bad to you.

Or maybe you think that if you develop an extremely serious but treatable medical condition that you should be able to afford hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical care and if you can't you should just die?

A sob story, sure, but also true, people have died because they couldn't afford to have a tooth pulled and the resulting infection killed them.

I'm all for people being self-sufficient and independent, but at the end of the day, we survive and have quality of life because we cooperate as a species. The more we are only for ourselves, the closer we move to the day we will cease as a species.

I get tired of people complaining about the big bad government. WE are government. Government is supposed to be our system of doing things for the common good. We are supposed to use the ballot, not the bullet, to do things for the common good. It doesn't seem to be working very well because too many in and out of government are doing what is best for them individually with no thought to the common good, or they make decisions without thinking things through, or only considering one side of the issue, or make up their minds and never consider additional information when new information comes to light. And now we see more and more people using the big bad government as an excuse to incite hate, anger and uncivil disobedience-against government, against ourselves.

Didn't mean to be so negative, but after reading some of the posters here,I guess now I am just like many of the others expressing themselves here.

-- Posted by sunshine51 on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 6:52 PM

Sunshine 51

You make some interesting points. As I have mentioned before, Interstate competition would solve many of the problems you address. Second, millions of illegals get free medical care for all acute needs. If they cap out, they just us another name and another social security number. I also know you can get emergency care and can not be refused. I know of many cases the medical provider has worked out payment plans based on ability to pay.

You are correct...we are the government but we all have our hands out in one fashion or another.

The following is in my view a great overview of what is wrong with we the government: A little long but I believe worth the reader's time.

Bread And Circuses: America's Insatiable Desire for Socialism

(Author's Note: This was written back in July 2009.)

The term "Bread and Circuses" is credited to Juvenal, a Roman writer and satirist (AD 55-127). He was describing the Roman citizens' enthusiasm for free food handouts and gladiatorial games at the Circus Maximus and later at the Colosseum. He felt that Romans had lost the capacity to govern themselves through their mindless self-gratification.

"Bread and Circuses" is a phrase that can accurately be used to describe the American population. Americans are so addicted to entertainment and personal pleasure that they ignore civic responsibility and gladly accept government authority with unflinching obedience.

Well, maybe some of us flinch a little. Reminds me of a bawdy story.

Three friends dared each other to go skydiving. They found a skydiving club and paid their money. After a short lesson, the instructor took them up to 8,000 feet and opened the door of the plane. The first two friends jumped, but the third friend was too scared.

The instructor yelled, "If you don't jump right now, I'm going to rip off your pants, bend you over and have sex with you."

"Did you jump?" his friends asked him later.

"Well yes...a little at first," was his reply.

Americans jumped "a little at first" after the Revolutionary War and up into the mid-1800s. Shays' Rebellion happened in 1787, The Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions were written in 1798 an '99 by Jefferson in response to the Alien and Sedition Acts, and the Nullification Crisis happened in 1832. But by 1860, they were willing to allow Lincoln to make war upon the Southern States and completely ignore the Constitution. It was all downhill from then until now.

Thankfully, there are still some American patriots that jump when someone tries to attack them from behind, so to speak.

Just as Juvenal observed in his day, so I believe that Americans have lost the capacity to govern themselves.

Actions speak louder than words. Stated another way, if you want to learn what people truly value, don't listen to what they say, only watch what they do.

The majority of American citizens want socialism. They may say that they are against socialism but they continue to elect and re-elect politicians that enact socialistic laws and regulations. They do not storm Washington when those politicians violate the Constitution and commit treasonous, criminal acts. They do not impeach and prosecute the criminals in Washington.

Naw..."Trueblood" is on TV. "Harry Potter" is in the theaters. Football season is just around the corner. Michael Jackson and Farah Fawcett just died and we must mourn them indefinitely.

America is on the auction block, and the Executive and Legislative branches of the Federal Government are the auctioneers. The American citizens expect their elected officials to "bring home the bacon," which means get more Federal dollars coming back home than they are sending to Washington. American citizens want more than their share.

America wants socialism.

Over the past 100 years, American citizens have become addicted to the money that comes to them from Washington. It comes as fat defense contracts to little machine shops, farm subsidies, student loans, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, The GI Bill, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security...and the list goes on. Because most Americans have their taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks, they don't feel the weight of their tax burden. So, it FEELS like benefits are flowing from Washington back to home.

America wants socialism.

In 2008 and 2009, the Federal Government nationalized the banking industry, the investment industry, a giant insurance company and part of the automobile industry. America barely made a peep.

America wants socialism.

Afore-mentioned Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, the biggest entitlement programs in the history of the planet, have become as familiar as the air we breathe. Conservatives in Washington accepted the big social welfare programs long ago, and don't lift a finger any more to fight against them...or even try to control their budgets. In fact, some of the biggest spending legislation ever enacted came from Washington while Conservatives controlled the House and Senate, and Republicans lived in the White House.

America wants socialism.

America totally forgave George Bush for lying the USA into a Middle East war. American has completely accepted an ever-expanding worldwide military, and embraced the wars in Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan. They festoon everything with yellow ribbons, and "support the troops"...even when the troops are murdering foreign civilians and violating the Constitution with their actions abroad. (By the way, a tenet of communism was to spread communism by military action. Americans think we're trying to spread democracy.)

America wants socialism.

Washington politicians have gutted what was left of the Constitution since 2001. Individual liberties have been destroyed. The Patriot Act was enacted, the Transportation Safety Administration made airports into "no-rights zones," and the Department of Homeland Security has vastly expanded its power over American citizens. All done with only a few whimpers and few objections.

America wants socialism.

The Obama Administration is taking this window of opportunity to take over health care and health insurance in the USA. American citizens have watched the nation's insurance companies destroy the health insurance industry. There are over 45 million Americans today without any health insurance at all. So, Obama and Congress have the political cover to do a government takeover. American citizens are exhausted from fighting to get health insurance. They want health insurance at any cost, and are willing to trust Uncle Sam to run the healthcare and health insurance system.

Americans want socialism. And Americans are getting socialism as quickly as Washington can deliver it.

I always used to think that America was being misused and abused by Washington. I have changed my thinking about that. I believe that Washington is simply giving America what it wants.

Perhaps the Washington politicos are the most astute observers of human behavior. They are certainly the best at survival.

Curious, though...that last sentence also aptly describes the relationship between a leech and its host.


-- Posted by Balmy on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 9:59 PM

old vet, before you wander back to your hole. I would suggest the following link for your review and digestion. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12560805...

A couple of other points. My daughter spent about an hour yesterday with a lady from Denmark. She had breast cancer and told my daughter if she had stayed in Denmark she would have died before she could have been given an appointment and received treatment. She is frightened of this healthcare bill as she sees a definite parallel to that of her home country.

I just recently posted a link here on the health care in the UK.

As an RV traveler for many years, I have met and talked with many from Canada. None that I have spoken with had anything positive to say about their health care system.

What looks good on paper or in theory does not always work so well in reality.

I appreciate you taking the time to post. These posts with different points of view is healthy exercise and gives the readers an opportunity to see all sides and decide for themselves. Keep the light on for me while in your retreat. LOL

-- Posted by Balmy on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 10:17 PM


Believe it or not, I agree with much of what you have posted. While the comparison to Rome is not totally accurate (and what comparison ever is), it is certainly uncomfortably close. We are taught that the USA is a democracy. Many argue that we have become a socialistic nation. We are neither.

A poster to another publication put into words more articulate than I could what I think best describes what we are now. He/she called our present form of government corporatism. His/her description fits very closely to many of the points that you made. My words, not necessarily the originator of the term's words, the public and legislators now believe and operate under the ideas and concepts that corporate America advocates. Others have said it another way, He who has the gold makes the rules. I would add that corporate America now has control of the gold, and he who has gold not only makes the rules, he never has enough gold.

That is the biggest reason that manufacturing has moved overseas and also why interstate competition will not correct some of the more egregious shortcomings of the health care/insurance industry. Any customer that ends up costing an insurance company a significant amount in claims will end up losing coverage if there is the slightest justification that the insurance company can use.

Some notes: Emergency care only includes extreme life-threatening situations. If you have cancer, they don't have to operate or give you chemotherapy. A condition that is treatable doesn't have to be treated unless it is imminently life threatening. So until you are in your death throes, they don't have to treat you and even then, they don't have to treat the cancer itself. If they do treat you, you are one of the fortunate few in the right place at the right time.

Everyone is always talking about medicaid. Very few adults qualify for medicaid. As best as I can figure, if you have any income at all that isn't SSI or if you have no income, you don't qualify. The only people I have actually known that got medicaid were either children or pregnant.

A few months ago, I was contacted by someone wanting information who told me about an individual who couldn't work because of 'a mass'. The person had no income because he/she couldn't work due to the mass and therefore was ineligible for unemployment. Had no insurance and was denied medicaid AND SS disability.

I have also talked to a few people who have received medical treatment in Canada and England and they were very happy with their care. Also heard from some that were not. Kind of like talking to people here regarding specific insurance companies and medical providers. Some people will love them, others will report instances of neglect, malpractice, fraud, etc. Certainly can't believe everything you read and hear in the media.

I am confident the new health care bill will not fix all of the problems with health care. I only hope it will not make things worse, that it will fix some things and stimulate the desire to finish the job. I'm not holding my breath.

-- Posted by sunshine51 on Sun, Apr 4, 2010, at 12:31 AM

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