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Friday, December 4, 2009

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Notre Dame's Trevor Foltz grabs the upper hand on his way to defeating Dexter's D.J. Horn during their 189-pound match Thursday night in Sikeston, Mo. It was Notre Dame's first win on the mat in the program's inaugural meet.
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SIKESTON, Mo. -- The Bulldogs were truly pups Thursday night at the Sikeston Fieldhouse.

In a double dual against Dexter and Sikeston, the Notre Dame wrestling program made its official debut.

The Bulldogs, being led by former longtime Sikeston coach Marc Stevener, lost both duals but demonstrated they are a program with vast potential.

Dexter rolled to a 56-24 victory against Notre Dame, which won only one match on the mat. The Bulldogs then put together a stronger showing in a 47-36 loss to Sikeston. Notre Dame, which forfeited three matches in each of the duals, posted five victories in the 10 matches wrestled against Sikeston.

Freshman Trevor Foltz gained the distinction of winning the first match in Notre Dame history, pinning Dexter junior D.J. Horn in 26 seconds in their 189-pound match. Foltz later collected a second first-period pin against Sikeston sophomore Austin Henson.

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Notre Dame wrestling coach Marc Stevener offers direction during a match against Dexter Thursday night.
"There was a lot of anticipation," Foltz said. "Everyone was nervous, you could tell. We didn't know what to expect, but it felt good, though.

"We're the first wrestling team from Notre Dame. This is where it all starts right here."

While the Bulldogs are a newcomer to the wrestling scene, Foltz is not. He has logged eight years of youth experience with Jackson USA Wrestling.

"We're not all just beginners," Foltz said. "There's a few of us that have a background."

Stevener is an experienced coach for the fledgling program. He coached 21 years at Sikeston High School before he spent nine years at Hazelwood Central in St. Louis. He was out of coaching for three years before accepting the job at Notre Dame.

"Starting a program is a lot different than walking into a program," Stevener said. "Sikeston always had good wrestling and Hazelwood Central had good wrestling. You know, you just kind of build from what you have there.

"When you start with the first brick, it's a lot more difficult."

Stevener said the majority of the 19 wrestlers in the program are getting their first taste of competitive wrestling.

"I'd say 70 percent didn't know how to line up, didn't know how to put a singlet on," Stevener said. "I think they've made a great commitment to get better."

Stevener said the school has been supportive of its new program. The program held its challenge matches with an official Wednesday before the entire student body at lunch time.

"That's the first time the majority of those Notre Dame people have seen wrestling," Stevener said. "The kids were excited. That's the first time my kids have been on a full mat. It was an experience for them. So it's been a week for us."

The Bulldogs filled out 11 of the 14 weight classes Thursday, and six were freshmen. The team also fielded sophomores and two juniors.

"Our depth is not real deep and our experience is not real deep either," Stevener said. "You're talking about freshmen. Yes, they have the USA, AAU experience, but you know at the high school level it's still another step."

Freshman Trenton Gross wrestled the first match for the Bulldogs at 119 after a pair of forfeits. Gross lost a 16-13 decision to Dexter's David Dement.

Freshman 103-pounder Austin Harter officially recorded the first points in Notre Dame history when he picked up a forfeit in the Dexter match.

"I think we did really good for a first-year program against Sikeston," Harter said.

Harter is one of the few wrestlers with an extensive youth background, and it showed when he finally got to take the mat against Sikeston. He pinned Cody Middleton in the third period.

"I wasn't sure what to expect," Harter said. "I never had wrestled that kid from Sikeston before. But I was pretty confident."

Junior Austin Kight (125), freshman Seth Sievers (130), sophomore Frank Stallings (140) and Foltz followed with pins, as Notre Dame held its own with Sikeston.

Sikeston ultimately gained control with pins at 160 and 171, which determined the match since Notre Dame had forfeits at 215 and 285.

Harter said sophomore Josh Glaus will step into the 215-pound class, but that he didn't have enough practices to wrestle in Thursday's varsity match. His brother, Ryan, is a candidate for 215.

But the 103-pound Harter said the 285-pound class will remain a problem.

"If I could go 285, I would," Harter said. "That might be a problem all year because we've got to forfeit every match until we get a 285 pounder."

Notre Dame also will be able to fill the 112 spot, which was vacant Thursday due to a wrestler not making weight.

"This is our first meet, and our expectations are that we will get better by the end of the year," Stevener said.

Dexter 56, Notre Dame 24

103 -- Austin Harter (ND) forfeit

112 -- Hunter Hardin (D) forfeit

119 -- David Dement (D) dec. Trenton Gross, 16-13

125 -- Austin Kight (ND) forfeit

130 -- Ryan Vanover (D) pin Seth Sievers, :25

135 -- David de Rouse (ND) forfeit

140 -- T.J. Stoner (D) maj. dec. Frank Stallings, 19-4

145 -- Codi Stevens (D) pin Nathan Davis, 1:51

152 -- Dylan Harid (D) pin Tyler Hulshof, 1:58

160 -- John Reeves (D) pin Alex Boner, 4:30

171 -- Zach Watson (D) pin Alex Elsey, 3:57

189 -- Trevor Foltz (ND) pin D.J. Horn, :26

215 -- Daniel McClendon (D) forfeit

285 -- Zach Lacy (D) forfeit


Sikeston 47, Notre Dame 36

103 -- Austin Harter (ND) pin Cody Middleton, 4:20

112 -- Blake Angle (S) forfeit

119 -- Jacob Stinnett (S) maj. dec. Trenton Gross, 17-2

125 -- Austin Kight (ND) pin Terrance Dorsey, 5:09

130 -- Seth Sievers (ND) pin Antwan Dorsey, 1:37

135 -- Dustin Wells (S) pin David De Rouse, 2:25

140 -- Frank Stallings (ND) pin Lee Smith, :59

145 -- Dustin Ruby (S) pin Nathan Davis, 5:00

152 -- Tyrone Webb (S) pin Tyler Hulshof, 1:23

160 -- Greg Hale (S) pin Alex Boner, 5:38

171 -- Alex Elsey (ND) forfeit

189 -- Trevor Foltz (ND) pin Austin Henson, 1:18

215 -- Jakhil Valentine (S) forfeit

285 -- Josh Carlyle (S) forfeit


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The Bulldogs filled out 11 of the 14 weight classes Thursday, and six were freshmen. The team also fielded sophomores and two juniors.

you failed to also mention that they also have 1 senior competing

-- Posted by havefaith64 on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 6:35 AM

In other wrestling news: Jackson wrestling defeted New Madrid County Central earlier this week by a perfect score of 84 - 0.

-- Posted by luv2argue on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 9:02 AM

Don't worry Coach Stevener, once they get that runway finished at the school you can begin to fly in those recruits from Iowa and Oklahoma and win a Missouri State Championship against public schools!!! Good Luck...

-- Posted by bulletman on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 9:13 AM

Does anyone know when Sikeston native and recent Notre Dame...uhm...transfer, Jacob Murphy will be able to return. I heard he has a broken hand. Is that accurate? Anyone know a time table for his return?

-- Posted by Cully Bryant on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 10:07 AM

I have the utmost respect for Coach Stevener...he is a great man, mentor, and coach. The ND kids will realize this and come to appreciate his level of knowledge and I am confident that the program will benefit. I can think of no one better to start a program the "right way".

As far as Jacob Murphy goes...well...sometimes being a "transfer"...well put Football Monkey...doesn't always pay off.

That being said...what are the requirements from the MSHAA in regards to these "transfers"? Does anybody have a concrete definition...how does going to a private versus public school effect this process? Is anything to be decided between the two schools in question?

-- Posted by bam79 on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 3:42 PM

Wrestling is just another feather in Notre Dames hat. I you or your child wrestled why wouldn't you "transfer". By the way the "runway" has been completed, have you been hiding under a rock, Notre Dame has layed their "runway" over the top of nearly everyone in SEMO. And they will only continue to "runover" everyone.

Congrats to the kids who are trying something new and starting a new ND tradition!

-- Posted by uncommon_sense on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 4:42 PM

"Notre Dame has layed their "runway" over the top of nearly everyone in SEMO. And they will only continue to "runover" everyone. "

Uncommon sense: Please define "everyone". I dont think I saw Jackson on their schedule? Does anyone know if they plan to wrestle JHS?

-- Posted by luv2argue on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 6:12 PM

Nope.......No Jackson, Farmington, Cape Central or St. Gen. I dont think I saw any St Louis Power houses othe ND's Schedule either. Maybe they will try to schedule a pick up match or two before the end of the season with one of those schools?

-- Posted by luv2argue on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 6:22 PM

Jacob does have a broken hand and he is out for six weeks. As for the person that committed about recruiting you don't know what you are talking about Sikeston has the same tuition cost for out of town kids as Notre Dame. It's just that they don't have a product to offer anyone. ( EDUCATION)

So no one will ever pay this tuition. As for ND having a wrestling team in existence for one month they did excellent against a Sikeston team who has been in existance for years. This reflects on the coaching of Sikeston wrestling they don't care as much.

-- Posted by kgross on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 6:51 PM

Since ND wrestling is just a month into exsistence my comment was obviously not restricted to wrestling as was the recruiting comment was not sport specific.

kgross-good post!

-- Posted by uncommon_sense on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 7:18 PM

As far as MSHAA rules. If you have wrestled varsity for a high school and you transfer to another school you have to wrestle junior varsity, this goes for every sport. Jacob Murphy has to be a JV wrestler this year only.

-- Posted by kgross on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 9:15 PM

kgross,

Its obvious you have something against Sikeston. These kids that transfered are not out of town kids. They live in the Sikeston school district, so i dont know what your point is. Do you have some kind of ties to the gross kid that transfered to ND from Sikeston.?

There are good teachers in every school district. ND does not have the best teachers. Dont talk about education like thats the only reason people go to ND.

Wrestling is all about the youth programs. Look at the 189 pounder at ND. He wrestled at Jackson for 8 years and then goes to ND. Thats bush league. ND should start their own youth program and then you can talk.

IMO this has nothing to do with coaching. Its the kids. Coaching is taking football players at a public school and going 13-1 only to lose to a private school that is stacked with kids (helias). Thats coaching. You show me a good coach at a private school and Ill show you a team loaded with talent.

This is not meant to take anything away from Stevenor or any other private school coach. They are good coaches, Im just proving a point. It does take a good coach to get a team that far, but its just easier when you are loaded with talent every year, i.e. ND baseball, soccer, basketball. Im sure im leaving some out.

-- Posted by HeHateMeToo on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 9:33 PM

Rick Swabb, coach for Dexter, knows his stuff! The program is getting better and better each year with more and more hometown boys learning the sport. Coach Swabb teaches the Dexter boys and inspires them to become talented. I like his method. Its not easy, as it should be. Do it the old fashion way and earn it.

-- Posted by docholiday on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 10:21 PM

You think just Jackson wrestling is going to suffer, wait till ND starts a football program!! That will fill the 285 class and it will be with Jackson kids...

-- Posted by bulletman on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 10:23 PM

That's Schwab, sorry for the spelling coach.

-- Posted by docholiday on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 10:25 PM

Wow, I am so very proud of the Notre Dame wrestling team. They did an awesome job and with a lot of first timers. With 2 great coaches we will only get better. It is really a small person that has to mention a young man's name when trying to make a dig against Notre Dame, please leave the kids out of it. Feel free to make you snarky comments if you must.

-- Posted by grappler on Fri, Dec 4, 2009, at 11:19 PM

I would like to know if their are any adults in the house,that would appreciate their minor childs' name posted in a public forum ,being cast in a negative light,for a decision that was'nt his? All of the cowards,hiding behind your fake handles,spewing your garbage,thinking you know all the reasons my son was a {transferee},ought to tend to their own fences. To all the recruitment consiracy theorists, do me a favor and drop dead. If you have a brain , try using it. Our familys decision making isn't up for debate. We don't owe anyone an explanation. You people ought to get a life.

-- Posted by tmurphy on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 12:30 AM

Wow tmurphy..Noone on this discussion said for anyone to "drop dead"...If that's what "adults in the house" say then I guess there aren't any..

-- Posted by bulletman on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 5:33 AM

Can't we all just get along. These kids at Notre Dame deserve everyones RESPECT, they are all just doing something that they love. We should all be happy that this program has been added it only makes everyone better.

The boys of Notre Dame wrestling really showed that they have a love for this sport and they deserve our respect. GO NOTRE DAME BULLDOG WRESTLING!!!

-- Posted by grappler on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 12:24 PM

As a former wrestler, I would like to throw in my two cents.

I think it's great that ND started a program. The comments above seem to lean towards the possibility that the talent pool will be thinned out at some of the area schools due to ND's program breaking ground. I think the opposite.

Developing into a great wrestler does not happen during the 40 or so matches during the high school year. Some improvement is made, but the real strides are made during the spring and summer months. Going to instructive camps, wrestling in tournaments out of state (Oklahoma, Virginia, KC, etc.) where 20+ matches and 2+ instructive/drill sessions happen over a week's time, trips to St. Louis to compete with elite wrestlers who have been training and competing with STL's and the nation's best, summer workouts where Freestyle and Greco techniques are intergrated with Folkstyle, and countless hours in the weight room are where a good wrestler with some ability becomes a state tournament placer.

ND may not be a powerhouse this year, next year, or the following year, but I would have to anticipate they will eventually get there. Having another team in the area to compete with the St. Gen's, Farmington's and Jackson's will only make this area stronger and the SEMO wrestling community stronger.

As any former wrestler will admit, IT IS A COMMUNITY. We carpool to STL for off season matches, we share information on technique, we hold onto those friendships long after high school. We're in this together. Friendly competition is exciting and healthy. Good luck to ND and all the area schools.

-- Posted by jackson1488 on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 5:19 PM

Thanks for adding Cape Central to the discussion jackson1488...Guess they're not part of the community...They only went 11-2 last year and finished in the top 5 at the Tiger Classic...Thanks for including them..

-- Posted by bulletman on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 6:01 PM

wow i think bashing of the kids is a little harsh mabby people should think before they say stuff. ND has done really well for a first year team and they got my props and im sure coach Stevener has doen well preping his team for these upcoming matches might say the done pretty well aginst sikeston if i dont recall, and the whole runway deal im sure one day you will grow up and stop bashing high school kidds and coaches that have actually made it some were.....................

-- Posted by bulletmnslame on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 8:05 PM

bulletmnslame--You need to go back to school and take a spelling class and dictation. Guess you didn't go to ND. If you did, it doesn't say much for the education. Have a Merry Christmas!

-- Posted by bulletman on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 8:30 PM

bulletmnslame--You need to go back to school and take a spelling class and dictation. Guess you didn't go to ND. If you did, it doesn't say much for the education. Have a Merry Christmas!

-- Posted by bulletman on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 8:30 PM

ND placed 4th out of 6th in the principia tounrment wtih one month experience... nuff said

-- Posted by v8nate on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 8:40 PM

Speaking of the Principia Tournamnet, Sikeston finished first. It wasnt even close.

On another note, with it being a dual tournament, Sikeston beat Notre Dame 52-24. Had Sikeston had their starter at 140, they win by more. He hasnt wrestled much because of football, but he tech'ed the ND kid 16-1 earlier in the day.

-- Posted by HeHateMeToo on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 9:50 PM

bulletman-

Sorry for not mentioning the Tigers. The Central wrestlers work hard and have good coaches.

On another note...Please make sure you know what you're talking about before putting something in writing. Below are the final team scores from the 2008 Classic. They may have finished in the top 5 in some other tournament or some other year, but last year they finished 10th.

Team totals

1. Jackson 318; 2. Memphis CBC 267; 3. Northwest 261.5; 4. Waynesville 258.5; 5. Eureka 227.5; 6. Francis Howell North 214.5; 7. Fort Zumwalt North 207; 8. Ste. Genevieve 202; 9. Poplar Bluff 196; 10. Cape Central 194; 11. De Soto 176; 12. Marquette 158; 13. University City 141.5; 14. McCluer North 133; 15. St. Charles 130.5; 16. Pattonville 119; 17. MICDS 101; 18. Mehlville 66; 19. Sikeston 62.5; 20. Dexter 57.

-- Posted by jackson1488 on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 10:55 PM

"To all the recruitment consiracy theorists, do me a favor and drop dead." -- Posted by tmurphy on Sat, Dec 5, 2009, at 12:30 AM

Wow Murphy, that's not a very Christian like comment to make. Does'nt that contradict the sort of values taught at ND?

-- Posted by luv2argue on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 7:41 AM

Hello-

Yes I do have ties to the gross kid that left Sikeston to go to ND. That's my son!!!

The product that ND has to offer is Education. They have an awesome teaching staff. If your child has a problem that will tutor them. I had a lot of problems at Sikeston with the teachers. I had one that made excuses for the kids that was being noisy in 7th hour class and her excuse was " it's 7th hour and the kids are excited about going home, well my son couldn't hear the teacher teach because she wouldn't quite them down, I talked to her and talked to her. It done no good. Plus Sikeston just teaches to pass the MAP test, that's all. ND don't. It's a very hard school and my son has learnt more this year than he did the whole time in Sikeston. I do have a daughter in Sikeston school too. As soon as she gets in high school she will be going there too.

Apparently you have never wrestled because you have to have a good coach to teach you wrestling so don't give Sikeston's football coach all the credit for the team going 13-1 itwas the kids who did it. It has been years and years since Sikeston had a good football team.

At least the coaches at ND don't have to teach. They are only hired to coach. But we do have some that also teach because they want to. Not because the HAVE TOO.

As for Stevener HE IS THE BEST COACH EVER!!!

-- Posted by kgross on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 1:27 PM

superbee.. you are absolutely right. the comment i made was made out of anger,and is out of line. it goes against everything ND stands for. I do appologize to everyone. We have taken alot of flak for the decision that we made ,but I couldnt feel more strongly that we have made the right one, varsity season or not. Wrestling is a bonus compared to everthing else it means being a ND student.

-- Posted by murphys on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 1:49 PM

I think that there are good teachers in every school district. Teachers in a public school have more to deal with then teachers in a private school. ND teachers arent any better or any smarter, they just have better students to teach to. Students are going to do the best they can because of the sacrafices that their parents are making for them to go to school. They dont want to let their parents down so they are going to try harder then your average public school student.

kgross, I dont understand your comment about ND coaches only coaching and not teaching. All of their coaches are hired to teach something except for stevenor. I dont think there is anything wrong with that. If you want to coach in high school you are going to have to teach. I dont care what school you are at. That is how it is.

Your last comment makes it very obvious why you sent your child to ND. Dont sugar coat it with education.

-- Posted by HeHateMeToo on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 5:42 PM

Does it matter WHY I sent my son to ND?

No it doesn't. dont pretend you know why we made our decision. dont pretend you were in our family discussions for months and months none of which concerned you. dont pretend that sikeston or any other gov. school in this area has as good of an education. and last but not least dont pretend that we give a crap what your opinion is! sugar coat that.

-- Posted by kgross on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 6:47 PM

As for saying sikeston coaches arent as good as anywhere elses, thats bs. They have gone from having three wrestlers to blowing every team out in a tournament. And for murphy and gross saying they sent thier kids for "education" thats stupid too, murphy had bad grades at sikeston, didnt see him at top ten percent last year, and as for blaming it on the teacher saying thats why you boy cant learn, he must have some really bad ADD if he cant just ignore them i have never been in a situation where i cant ignore someone. haha

for murphys decision to go i dont care, but personaly its stupid hes going to be out most of the year this year because of his hand, sitting out a year is going to hurt him, which leaves him for one more year to win state, thats a lot of pressure.

back to the education, private schools do not rank thier students, for instance my daughters friend was not accepted to mizzou because she went to nd had decent grades and the same act score but since my daughter was the top 10 of her class she was accpeted as her friend was not.

im not bashing just saying its not fair to the local schools losing talent but it's ok everyone hated ND

-- Posted by shsfan90 on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 9:08 PM

WOW!!!!! I never realized how many small minded, petty people lived in this area. I would even say a little bit of the green eyed jealousy monster has shown himself.

Seriously people, get over yourselves. The success of Notre Dame includng, but not limited to it's athletics is accredited to many factors. If you or your child has ever been a part of this school, you would know that.

-- Posted by havefaith64 on Sun, Dec 6, 2009, at 10:28 PM

shsfan90 ill tell you whats not fair . its not fair that a 3.5 gpa student has to sit in a classroom with a 2.0 gpa student and learn the same thing because of gov. schools yelling discrimination. its unfair that our tax money has supported an education system that is more worried about attendence then teaching. it is unfair that yours and my tax dollars go to support this crap. as far as the add. comment im gonna let that slide since i cant bring myself to your level of gov. educated ignorance. choose your school and sport you have that right and so do i. if it bothers you that bad then move to a country where you dont have a choice! as for now i have a choice and thank god for ND for getting us out of that gov. school crap. be proud now because sikeston has been going down hill for years.

-- Posted by kgross on Mon, Dec 7, 2009, at 12:14 AM

kgross--Hope your son enjoys ND..It is a great school and I have many friends that have children that go there. My son will be there in a few years. I would say that the additude that you have in these posts won't go over well at ND. I find it interesting that you brag about a 3.5 GPA even though it was at an inferior public school or "government school" and then bash the school. Someone was teaching him and apparently did it well. Just admit that you are going because of the wrestling program. It is a free country and you can do whatever you want. You don't have to bash a whole school district. My son is in Cape Public Schools now, but wants go to ND because he has alot of friends that he wants to go to high school with. If he ends up changing his mind and going to Cape Central I will be just as supportive.

-- Posted by bulletman on Mon, Dec 7, 2009, at 1:51 PM

Bulletman

I didn't say that my son has a 3.5. What was said is a student with a 3.5 is in a classroom with a 2.0 that's what government run schools do. What was trying to be said is it's not far to the 3.5 or 2.0. We have had alot of trouble with Sikeston teachers and we have tried talking to them.

-- Posted by kgross on Mon, Dec 7, 2009, at 3:56 PM

OK...Understood..Like I said it's a free country and you, like me can send our sons anywhere we like. I would think that Sikeston, like Cape Central has advanced placement classes for students who choose to go that route. I know at Cape Central those are really tough courses that prepare a student very well for college. I also understand the public school system has a long way to go, but until the politicians get out of the way and let the teachers teach then it will never change. We are off topic since this was originally about wrestling so good luck to your son at ND..

-- Posted by bulletman on Mon, Dec 7, 2009, at 4:25 PM

I am a Sikeston HS parent and its funny to read about all the reasons people come up with to bash ND. Every so-called reasonable comment boils down to good ole fashioned jealousy. Face the facts: Since ND is private, they are allowed to pursue excellence in a far easier way than any public school can because the public schools are burdened with many silly rules meant to level the playing field amongst PUBLIC schools. Private schools have no such hindrance and thus can become as serious as they want to about the level of excellence they attain. Regarding sports, it is MSHSAA's fault that private schools are allowed to be thrown into the mix of public schools that are hindered by rules that inspire mediocrity. Let's face it: ND has figured out very well how to manipulate the system LEGALLY in order to create an unbalanced advantage heavily in their favor and its fairly easy to do if not under the burden that public schools bear. MSHSAA has two options to level the public/private sports playing field: 1) Separate state tourneys. This was attempted and defeated by statewide vote of all coaches by a 2 to 1 margin recently. 2) Place ALL private schools in the highest class of each sport regardless of enrollment. Enrollment really doesn't matter in private schools due to the fact that private schools basically have no boundaries as compared to public schools. Placing ND in the highest classes would definitely level the playing field in a more appropriate manner.

Basically, ND should be congratulated for its pursuit of excellence and setting of lofty goals. Jealousy is a childish response to ND's successes. MSHSAA needs to realize that because private schools don't have the same rules as public, the way they classify is leading to more and more imbalance heavily favoring private schools.

-- Posted by cirithungol17 on Tue, Dec 8, 2009, at 1:04 AM

In response to all the ND bashing and recruiting theory simply look at the rosters. Look at all the top kids on each team (boys and girls basketball, soccer, softball, volleyball, baseball, and the others). Ask yourself where these kids went to grade school and you see that almost all of these kids came from private grade schools. These kids were not recruited, their families made a decision early in their life that a catholic education was important and invested many dollars and hours of their time supporting their decision before the kids were able to attend ND.

Of the 500+ students, I would estimate that 90% or more went to grade school in the parochial schools that feed Notre Dame. Of the small amount of remaining kids, most come for education, some for safety and environment, and I'm sure that a few come for athletics. Again look at the rosters and where the kids went to grade school. I know that in the past there have been a couple of student athletes (difference makers) that chose to come to ND not because of athletics but because of education.

I would also tell you that ND success is attributable not just to the coaches, faculty, staff and alumni. ND students are challenged and pushed each and every day to be the best that they can be. Their work ethic in the classroom translates to a work ethic in athletics. The kids are just used to working. A coach once told me that coaching at ND is about as good as it gets in high school because you don't have to worry about effort, all you have to do is coach.

Also, the families of the students/athletes are a big part of what ND is. From day 1 of Freshman year, you as a parent, are expected to be and are a part of the school. Often times you feel that you spend as much time at ND as your child. Its the ownership of the education, and the involvement of the families and all the support that the kids have that makes ND what it is. And don't forget Brother David, his love for the kids, and his amazing leadership.

Thats the truth spoken very clearly.

-- Posted by glenbnd on Tue, Dec 8, 2009, at 3:19 PM

I'm a Sikeston grad and the only way a 3.5 GPA student was being distracted in class is if that student was in a general education class and not a college prep or advanced prep class. Nothing against general education but they are the classes most everyone just trying to pass to get to the next grade would take. My college prep classes were mostly filled with the Sikeston elite and it's easy to say that most were overachievers and the top in our class (including me) although I was far from being rich as I grew up on the westside. Education is what YOU make out of it. I'm not a fan of private education because private school or public education no one goes to class, studies, or takes your tests to get good grades meaning a private school education can be attained at a public school without the exhorbent amount of money. With that said congrats Sikeston wrestlers!!! 8-1 so far including a win over always tough Cape this past Wednesday. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!

-- Posted by sbulldog4life on Fri, Dec 11, 2009, at 12:03 AM


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