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Speak Out 11/15/09Sunday, November 15, 2009Magnificent play I want to congratulate Notre Dame Regional High School on its production of "Life With Father." The play was magnificently done and was enjoyed by everyone who had the pleasure to see it. The two little boys who starred in the play were particularly adorable. Intersection trash I pass the corner of Mount Auburn Road and Kingshighway every day. There is a garage-sale sign on a cardboard box. It has been there at least three weeks. I know the person who put it there should be the person to pick it up, but if that doesn't happen, who's responsibility is it to clean it up? Is there not a fine for someone who puts a garage-sale sign on public property and leaves it? People from out of town see this trash in the intersection every day, and it looks like nobody is going to clean it up. Walls will fall I get tired of people saying that President Obama is going to make our society terrible, that he's a liar and that the only reason people bow down to him is because he's the first black president. Why don't we give him a chance? I believe these walls that are all around us will fall down and we'll give praise and sing hallelujah. Reform bill A big thank you is in order for the House members who voted for the health care reform bill. The distinction between the two parties is evident. One party is for the people, and one party is for big corporations and insurance companies. The next stop is the Senate. Who owns your senator? Taxpayers pay DEMOCRATS are dishonest on so many levels about health care reform. It is almost impossible to untangle all their lies. Who pays for health care right now? Taxpayers foot the bill not only for their own health care, but for illegal immigrants, the poor and seniors as well. Some seniors pay a premium for Medicare, but it doesn't cover all the costs. Who is feeling the pain of the rapid growth in health care costs that the Democrats claim so desperately to want to fix? Those same taxpayers. Vote Tea Party YOU'VE got to love it. I encourage all conservatives and disaffected Republicans to join. Florida now has an officially registered Tea Party. Nation in debt I am an independent voter. We hear a lot about trying to get people's debt down and to get their credit card bills down and how we should be saving and watching our money. And then the legislators in Washington sent us a $1.2 trillion debt that nobody wants. I don't understand what our government is doing. We are going down so fast and getting in debt so fast that we will never get out. Someday, someone's going to take us over because we can't pay that debt. Pay the premiums IF Congress and the president really wanted to create jobs, reduce the deficit, lower health care costs and get the highest percentage of the population covered by health insurance, they would offer to pay 100 percent of the health insurance premiums of every U.S. citizen. Job growth would explode. The deficit would drop like a rock, and health care costs would plummet. Unemployment would drop to 3 percent, and the deficit would decline by 70 percent. Nearly 100 percent of the population would be covered by health insurance. It would be the best use of taxpayer money in the history of our country. We can have this, if we want it, but we need to tell Congress and the president. Awesome season CONGRATULATIONS to the Jackson girls cross-country team. You had an awesome season. We're so proud of you. You went all the way to state. National security DAVID Limbaugh wrote that our nation has abandoned national security. I respect our military and think it has done a yeomanlike job working overtime to protect us. On their own I'D like to know who came up with the law to make it legal for our children to leave home at 17. They are still in high school, have no job and can't sign any type of legal document, but the law allows these children to defy their parents and do as they please and hold the parents accountable if they get in trouble. No wonder the welfare system is being abused, morals values dissolve and crime increases. Children should not be allowed to legally be on their own until they have a job and can at least sign their own documents legally. New trash system THE only thing I see from watching the video demonstration is the driver may have to get motion-sickness pills, as he will be rocking and rolling on his rounds. I believe this is going to be one of the best things to happen for a while. There should be a lot more people recycling. Three classes AMERICA is made up of three political classes. 1. Knaves (deceitful and dishonest). This is the less numerous but most active and powerful class who see in the government an instrument they can use for their own aggrandizement. 2. Dupes, a class larger in number, too many of whom know only to submit to the knaves. 3. A dubious class having some appreciation and trepidation of the evils of government, waxing and waning in a fight to rid themselves of the scoundrels due to a fear that doing so may require sacrificing their own private self-interests. Driving pollution I keep reading all these harsh words about smokers and smoking in public. If you really want to clear the air, stop driving. You cause just as much damage with your car. Animal control IT upsets me when people complain about the humane society putting animals to sleep. If it wasn't for humane societies there would be no animal control, because the no-kill shelters would always be full. Putting animals to sleep isn't anyone's fault except the people who refuse to have their animals spayed or neutered. Fall weather I hope everyone is enjoying the autumn weather as much as I am. It has been a remarkable year.
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Magnificent play ....missed this one
Intersection trash ....maybe YOU could stop and pick it up
Walls will fall ....the POTUS is white too
Reform bill ...well let's get out the blunts and the beer , for the end is near ...
Taxpayers pay ...Democrats aren't the only liars
Pay the premiums ....ha! and this would work how?
On their own ...kinda sounds like somebody has an unruly child on their hands to me
New trash system ....trash business is still picking up
Three classes ...how about the fourth class--none!
Animal control ....time for deer season for all of you animal lovers
Intersection trash
There is a city ordinance for this sort of thing in the city constitution/charter. In fact there is also a fine for it as well. The sign is allowed to be up until I think at least a week after the date it happened, then it must be taken down. So if they are not enforcing it, I suggest you go to the council and ask them to. To me it should be up to the person but when they do not do it, the city has people who wall around and "try to clean" the city streets. They are paid to do stuff like that.
Pay the premiums
I find it funny where people throw numbers and percents in their speak outs without proof. Please, just say that it may lower it, don't try and predict how much because it makes you look like you know nothing at all.
Taxpayers pay
You just made yourself look like an inconsiderate *******. So are you saying that this country should only be for the rich and healthy? I would hate to see you write the health care reform bill because you would kill off anyone who makes less than you and who is too old for you. If you were poor and old and could not afford your living expenses what would you do? The same thing they do and I can guarantee it.
Vote Tea Party
So do you understand what the tea party was? It was something that happened to protest taxation without representation. We have representation in this country now so a tea party is just a stupid idea. Without tax this country would not be what it is. The gov. would not have the money to run and there would be no wall street, no stock market, and the deficit would just get bigger. I would see it as being 10 times as bad as the great depression and it would only get worse with time. If you want you can go to England where they tax everything. They have a sin tax that adds more taxes ontop of the regular cig and beer taxes just so you can smoke and drink. I do not know much about that party but the name is misleading. People like George Washington, one of our founding fathers, did not even believe in political parties, which is why he was not in one. Alot of our founding fathers were not in parties, even though there were some around the time of the congress. So think about that.
On their own
Please research this next time. Once they sign these documents, which the parents not only have to sign but a judge has to agree to, the child is on there own, this means the parents are not held responsible anymore. They are their own people then and are held to same standards as other adults. This means taxes and everything. Trust me, I have had friends who have done this so I know alot about it through them and what I have read about this. Each state is different and some allow them to do this at 15. Also in alot of states, 17 is the new 18. Did you know that 17 is the legal age in Missouri in which not only can you get married but can have consensual sex with anyone the same age or older. In Tennessee it is 16.
Is that 'sweet tea?' I can't stand just plain tea with no sugar.
Speak Out is full of people complaining again. When are some going to learn under these very tough economic times the following: "Ask not what your country can do for you but ask what you can do for your country". If we all would had lived under this great quote we wouldn't have got in to this mess in the first place.
I feel the SE Missourian needs to look at their policy for submitting an obituary. Currently, families are required to pay .25 cents PER WORD to submit the obituary of a family member.
I find this odd when an individual can write into speak out. . . having their thoughts and ideas published for free.
In these difficult times. . .how can a paper charge such fees when a family is grieving. . .and perhaps unable to pay this cost?
Swampeast and Rick...
Hey! You missed the wonderful post about the Fall Weather! Hear! Hear!
Spectator...I agree. Like kicking a person when they are down. Funerals are expensive enough as is (sigh).
Theorist
the weather is like a complaining woman , there's not much a person can do about it ...
I just ask that on things like free health care and illegals that you put yourself in their shoes. I am tired of seeing people think only for themselves. Alot of us take our rights for granted but has anyone ever though of what it would be like to live somewhere else? How bought China where you have no free speech, press, religion, or even the right to have more than one child. How bought living somewhere with no health care. We are the example to the rest of the world and we will never learn what is good or bad unless we try it. So give it a chance. If we don't like it, have it changed, we have that right to redress the gov.
-- Posted by Prince_of_cats on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, at 6:45 AM
Prince,
Still say, let them do it legally and I have no problems with them.
Regarding thinking free health care and other government programs is their right. Did it ever occur to you that if they quit sending their money, that they earn legally or illegally in this country, back to Mexico, many of them could pay for their own health care?
Wheels
don't mixfuse the obvious with the facts..
Rck,
I know, it's a problem when anybody does that I suppose.
Prince,
Still say, let them do it legally and I have no problems with them.
Regarding thinking free health care and other government programs is their right. Did it ever occur to you that if they quit sending their money, that they earn legally or illegally in this country, back to Mexico, many of them could pay for their own health care?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, at 10:22 AM
My mothers side of the family, just as recently as to my grandmother, is from another country. She came here over 40 years ago, legally, pays taxes, had her own health insurance until recently as now she is retired and deals with the pains and woes of Medicare like everyone else her age, and worked most of her life to contribute to this great nation and the system she is now on for healthcare. No one stopped her from getting her green card and work visa-- she learned the pledge of allegiance like everyone else, and no one has any signs in her native language at the local McDonalds for her to read.
That being said, I do not think we should turn our backs on other cultures and diversity. I think its wonderful to learn someones native language as a way to communicate with them. I love that I can go to a Japanese steakhouse that is run by true Japanese american citizens. I love that other folks are welcome in this country. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses..." I think God wants us to give unconditionally, giving up all we have in service to others. But, He wants this of EVERYBODY, which means that in order for it to work, everyone has to make it thier own responsibility to give and not just take, to learn each others native language and cultures so that we can embrace each other, and if you hire someone from another country to do massive amounts of work, you pay them accordingly, pay taxes on them, and I could go on and on about responsibility...It's sad, that we are divided between those who are willing to give and those who only want to take... and those who feel that if they start to give, they will be taken for all they have and more.
That's my take on the subject.
Reform bill --
If you are against outsourcing, then you should be for giving breaks to big corporations... the ones who create jobs in this country. Cause let me tell ya, if they can't get a break on hiring us, then they will send their factories to places that they can get a break... and then we might just find ourselves out of even more jobs. These CEO's will find a way to pay themselves first...This goes back to my whole idea of "personal responsibility". I'm not a fan of big corporations, but I can't deny the fact that they have the capability to provide many jobs. Maybe big government needs to focus their "big corporation" breaks on more specific stipulations-- like hiring and providing good benefits to employees and not so much on the redistribution of wealth i.e. taking priviledges and $$ away from the ones who pay us our meager salaries. Would you still say they are not "for the people" if this were to happen? I'm all for helping those in need, but this doesn't stop me from wanting the opportunity to be self-reliant, to move up in my career and better my wages, and being able to pick and choose the quality of life for myself and my family, maybe become a CEO of a multi-national corp. and contribute to breaking the cycle. If we start getting into the redistribution of wealth, then the "American dream" waves "bye bye", because now you have someone deciding for you what you should make and how much "stuff" you should have for yourself and family. The government is not likely to spend the extra cash to paint a picket fence white for any one of us.
Why are we so unable to find the middle ground?? I think it's because certain elected officials feed on the needs of the american people under the disguise of "providing for you" to, more or less, gain full control of the situation and everyone else in thier way.
Read the book "The Giver". Its a short and easy read, but describes a utopian lifestyle in which everyone is equal. Granted, it's fiction. But, its interesting and not too far off, and makes you think about how excessive government intervention could quickly get out of control.
JMHO
But, its interesting and not too far off, and makes you think about how excessive government intervention could quickly get out of control.
JMHO
-- Posted by Rizzo on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, at 11:56 AM
Rizzo,
Good posts, hopefully maybe you and more like you will someday run for office.
My concern is that government is already out of control. Just one for instance, there are many more, but where did they ever get the audacity to command anyone to buy health insurance with the penalty of fines and worse?
Just one for instance, there are many more, but where did they ever get the audacity to command anyone to buy health insurance with the penalty of fines and worse?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, at 1:22 PM
The same place they made it law to have car insurance. If you do not have that then you get a fine. In some instances you even get arrested. In my book if you can afford to pay for it yourself, go ahead and run that risk, but I myself can not shell out that kind of money. Did you know that if my dad had not had health insurance he would have had to shell out over $400,000 for his first heart attack and its surgery. I want and need health insurance but when you are shelling out hundreds of dollars a month for school loan bills, car insurance, all house bills, food, gas for the car, and a few other expenses, you can not afford it when you make less than $20,000 a year. We need reform and we need it bad.
Oh and by the way wheels, most of the people from Mexico that come here to work go back to Mexico. I know a few who are here to save up enough to take back with them to make life easier on their families. So yes, they do take the money back to spend.
Rizzo,
You said...
"and makes you think about how excessive government intervention could quickly get out of control."
I disagree with your choice of words. You said "could", and I say it "has." Long ago. Both parties have had the opportunity to return government to it's rightful place in our society, but, instead, they have sought to increase the power, and reach of government.
When a government seeks to build concentration camps/detention centers within it's borders for it's own citizens, as did the bush regime, I would say that goverment was "out of control."
When a government seeks to force each of it's citizens to purchase insurance from a private insurance corporation, as is now being sought by the obama regime, I would say that government was "out of control".
When a government seeks war, rape, torture and murder against countries which never harmed us, as did the bush regime in it's quest to subdue Iraq and Afganistan for the New World Order, I would say that the government was "out of control."
When a government seeks to expidite and liquidate American jobs, as did the Repubicans and Bill Clinton, I would say that the "government was out of control."
When the government hires a PR firm to stage phony "hearings" as did the Republicans and Bush the elder, to make it look like a true congressional hearing, and have a princess from Kuwait, spin an outrageous lie before the phoney "hearing", to make the American people believe that the Iraqis were taking babies off of respirators and sending hospital equipment back to Iraq, just to get the American people supportive of the first war against Iraq, I would say that the government "was out of contol."
I could provide more instances of an out of control, unresponsive government, but you probably could take it from here.
"If you want you can go to England where they tax everything. They have a sin tax that adds more taxes ontop of the regular cig and beer taxes just so you can smoke and drink."
Actually, I believe we do, too, Prince ... We just don't generally think of them as 'sin taxes.' One of the few things I can think of that isn't taxed in this country is prescription drugs.
"Ask not what your country can do for you but ask what you can do for your country".
Two way street, it always seemed to me. Most of us actually are doing things for our country ... in trying to support all our excessive government employees and departments. If we went back to just the basics of what our country actually 'needs,' like military protection (insert your own ideas of 'real need' in the interest of our country as a whole) ...
"... certain elected officials feed on the needs of the american people under the disguise of "providing for you" to, more or less, gain full control of the situation and everyone else in thier way."
I believe I'd be inclined to vote for someone like Rizzo also.
oh, yeah, when a government, or, elemnets of a goverment seek to...
Conjure up a war with Cuba, by creating an OFFICIAL government plan to kill Americans, bomb buildings, sink American ships, and fly planes by remote control, blow them up by remote control and blame the Cubans, as was the plan OPERATION NORTHWOODS, in the late 1950's developed by the Pentagon, and the National Security Agency, NSA, with CIA assistance, I would say that the government was "out of control."
When elements of the government, including the CIA, plot to kill the president of the United States, as they did to John Fitzgerald Kennedy, I would say that the government was "out of control."
When the government of LBJ concocts a phoney attack on the US Navy in the Gulf of Tonkin, as an excuse to excelerate the involvement of the United States in the Vietnames civil war, which cost us over 58,000 American dead, over a million Vietnames dead, and millions of Americans wounded physically and mentally, I would say that the government was "out of control."
When the US Government, over many generations of Democrat and Republican control, plot to assassinate the leaders of several countries, and/or overthrow governments, some of them elected,.....
Iran
Chile
Argentina
Cuba
Yugoslavia
Boliva
Venzuela
Panama
Grenada
Guatemala
Haiti
Iraq
Afghanistan
etc....
I would say that the government was "out of control."
When the US government has established AFRICOM to do to Africa what they have done to the Middle East, I would say that the government was "ou tof control.'
When the plot to kill Ronald Reagan looks to be a botched assassination attempt by supporters of George HW Bush, I would say that the government was "out of control."
can you add more?
oh, yeah, when a government, or, elemnets of a goverment seek to...
Conjure up a war with Cuba, by creating an OFFICIAL government plan to kill Americans, bomb buildings, sink American ships, and fly planes by remote control, blow them up by remote control and blame the Cubans, as was the plan OPERATION NORTHWOODS, in the late 1950's developed by the Pentagon, and the National Security Agency, NSA, with CIA assistance, I would say that the government was "out of control."
When elements of the government, including the CIA, plot to kill the president of the United States, as they did to John Fitzgerald Kennedy, I would say that the government was "out of control."
When the government of LBJ concocts a phoney attack on the US Navy in the Gulf of Tonkin, as an excuse to excelerate the involvement of the United States in the Vietnames civil war, which cost us over 58,000 American dead, over a million Vietnames dead, and millions of Americans wounded physically and mentally, I would say that the government was "out of control."
When the US Government, over many generations of Democrat and Republican control, plot to assassinate the leaders of several countries, and/or overthrow governments, some of them elected,.....
Iran
Chile
Argentina
Cuba
Yugoslavia
Boliva
Venzuela
Panama
Grenada
Guatemala
Haiti
Iraq
Afghanistan
etc....
I would say that the government was "out of control."
When the US government has established AFRICOM to do to Africa what they have done to the Middle East, I would say that the government was "ou tof control.'
When the plot to kill Ronald Reagan looks to be a botched assassination attempt by supporters of George HW Bush, I would say that the government was "out of control."
can you add more?
The same place they made it law to have car insurance.
-- Posted by Prince_of_cats on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, at 3:32 PM
Prince,
Don't care for that either. Make then financially responsible or suffer the consequences, no problem.
Do you think the mandatory insurance program on automobiles is working? Are you aware the same deadbeats that drove without it before are doing so now? They simply go buy the insurance, make a payment, get the license and cancel the insurance or let it lapse for non payment. I have a friend sells insurance, he told me of this little ruse some time back.
Never been uninsured automobile wise since I was 16 years old. Never been without health insurance since I married some 52 years ago. If a person does not want to be insured, so be it, but no freebies either. Now tell me about the laws requiring they be taken care of.... change them back to require personal responsibility. Tell me some people cannot afford health insurance and I will tell you that is mostly BS, they don't have their priorities in perspective. There was nobody much poorer than I was 52 years ago and I paid for health insurance. Was insurance cheaper, yeah, were wages, yes definitely. I can tell you insurance is more affordable for me now than it was in 1957. Just lucky I suppose.... right?
a rare gem on RTV on Sunday
One of my favorite westerns from my childhood, WAGON TRAIN, today featured a rarity. It was Dr. Spock, Leonard Nimoy, in a very minor role as a Basque immigrant to the US. The Rifleman followed, along with Robin Hood.
Tonight, on RTV about 09:30pm, or, so RTV digital over the air channel 6.2 will air the JACK BENNY SHOW... can't wait. Check the 6.2 on air channel guide for exact time.
In 1957, most of us did not need health insurance, as health care was readily affordable.
It was Richard Nixon and his gift to one of his campaign contributors that drove health care costs out of site, and out of reach of many Americans. Richard Nixon is the one who gave us HOMOS.
er, I mean HMO's. My mistake.
Did you know that if my dad had not had health insurance he would have had to shell out over $400,000 for his first heart attack and its surgery. I want and need health insurance but when you are shelling out hundreds of dollars a month for school loan bills, car insurance, all house bills, food, gas for the car, and a few other expenses, you can not afford it when you make less than $20,000 a year. We need reform and we need it bad.
Prince,
I'm sorry to hear that your dad had a heartattack, I hate that anyone has to suffer any kind of disease or ailment. I have two parents with a combination of many life-threatening medical conditions. Fortunately, they are still with me as I hope your father is still with you.
150 years ago, our parents would have died from thier diseases.
The cost of research and the equipment to facilitate the technology we have today to save thier lives is quite expensive. Its just like anything else that is new and innovative.
Health care is not a right. Now, I think that everyone should have equal opportunity to access it. But, if someone is shelling it out to you for free, you WILL not have options on what you receive, plain and simple.
Health care reform is a necessity. But, government regulation on the front is NOT the answer, in my opinion.
My great grandmother followed my grandmother (whom I spoke of earlier) to the states to become a citizen, because she needed dialysis. In her country, they had a public option only. The government stated that since she was above the age of 70, she was too old to qualify and others that hadn't lived as long needed it too, but they would only pay for X amount per year. So, she had to do without. She came HERE to receive it. What about her right to life??
Why does it have to come to us directly from the government? Why can't the government regulate the companies providing health insurance, rewarding private and public employers for paying for a certain % of insurance, regulate the cost of cobra, and focus on reforming the plans they currently have in place, Medicare and Medicaid. There are many who abuse Medicaid and private insurance. Is it because everyone screams that the government is only for insurance companies and corporations?? Don't be so quick to bite the hand that feeds you.
Why do we feel the need to make our health insurance pay for little things, like a sniffle leading to one doctors appointment and the cost of a weeks worth of antibiotics? Talk about taking responsibility and helping someone out. We are so worried that "we pay so many dollars into our health insurance each month, that I better make this doctors appointment count by making sure they pay the co-pay!!" But what about picking up those little costs that occur once in a blue moon that are not so severe for the sake of the system in the long run?
What about the guy who calls the ambulance to transport his daughter to the ER in a non-emergency situation instead of driving because "I'm not using my gas, medicaid will pay for the ambulance transport" -- this is from a person that I know and I heard it come from thier mouth. One example, but when in Rome...
It's not just the insurance companies and drug companies maxing out the cost of healthcare. Believe me-- I deal with medical billing everyday. Those on Medicare (the ones who have paid into the system for years) deal with MANY limitations, while Medicaid will pay for anything, but you must get rid of anything you own in order to qualify.
Medicaid was designed to help people get on thier feet and get out of the system.
You can't get back on your feet if you must lose everything to get the help. I work with floor staff that will call in sick to cut thier own hours because, if they make too much, they will lose thier government support.
It doesn't work, that's why we are here now. So, why will anything else the government gets into work?
I don't pretend to have the answers. I just have many questions. Probably why I'm not in politics. But, if I've learned one thing about treating patients as a healthcare provider, it's all about finding the root cause of the problem in order to find the optimum and "end-all" treatment instead of a quick answer that will cause the problem to eventually return. I do believe that applies to healthcare reform as well.
Prince, we do need some type of health care assistance for some of the people 'caught in the middle' between Medicaid/Medicare and those with sufficient income to afford private insurance.
We probably do not need a monstrous 2,000-page political health bill ... one which even our representatives will not know the actual results or costs of until perhaps several years after it goes into effect in 2013.
And then of course yes, it could be changed ... but when have we ever seen government change anything for the better ... like the EIC program in which changes just encouraged more people to work part-time rather than full-time?
Also ... having lived in several areas where there were many Mexicans immigrants (both legal and illegal) ... I suspect your statement that "most of the people from Mexico that come here to work go back to Mexico." may not exactly be the norm. Instead, from my observations and friendships with some of those people, most are sending money home to relatives, who are trying to save enough in order to come to America (legally or illegally) themselves.
Defy is probably correct on several points that our government might be out of control and unresponsive. The only responsiveness comes from the hope of satisfying the desires of certain groups of voters ...
Remember after car insurance became mandatory, Wheels ... When people were convinced that their insurance rates would go down because for one thing they'd no longer have to pay the premiums for 'un-insured?'
Unlike you in your younger days, Wheels, we didn't have sense enough to buy health insurance. Instead, we had (for years and years) monthly doctor and hospital bills to pay. We'd have liked to have a TV or A/C or a more reliable, newer vehicle instead, but ... You got it ... boils down often to personal responsibility.
The car insurance is different from healthcare. If you own a car and drive it on the street you could damage someone elses property. That is why they made car insurance mandatory. I bought a truck once and 12 days later someone pulled out in front of me and it was totaled. They had no insurance and since I paid cash for the truck ( a 4 year old truck with 35,000 miles) and did not have full coverage I was out the money since the other driver had no insurance.
I agree health care needs to be reformed but do not make it mandatory to have it. A government run program I feel is not the option. I want to see a bill in print and have a chance to vote on it myself before I trust a politician to make that decision for me.
"Ask not what your country can do for you but ask what you can do for your country".
"... certain elected officials feed on the needs of the american people under the disguise of "providing for you" to, more or less, gain full control of the situation and everyone else in thier way."
-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, at 3:59 PM
Amen
They are taking care of themselves and selling votes to stay in office.
"In 1957, most of us did not need health insurance, as health care was readily affordable."
Yep, and people could be over-sedated, tied down, and given shock therapy for dementia secondary to encephalopathy resulting from tuberculosis or liver disease, too. I'm just sayin'...
Rizzo,
Ah, the good ole days. What I would give for a little electro shock now. ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZ, Yummy.
Mightymo,
Agree with you 100% on reform, and what they are getting ready to dump on us is not reform, but forcing us into a cash cow, revenue stream for health insurers as a pay back for their contributions to both parties.
Mr. Wiffle,
You are right about politicians selling votes. Jo Ann Emerson has confided in serveral GOP county chairmen that she has been doing the Nancy Pelosi bump and grind for the last several years, so that Democrats would not put up and fund anyone who could beat her.
She now believes that they have double crossed her because they are getting behind Tommy Sowers, a West Point officer, who's family used to on the Rolla Newspaper. She is a little peeved at her Democrat and globalist handlers, because she gave them so much. She voted for all the job killing bills that Congress dreamed up, including MOST FAVORED NATION TRADING STATUS for COMMUNIST CHINA, a NAFTA type plan for Central America, called CAFTA, and the Bush-Obama bailout for greedy Wall Street Bankers, and foreign banks like the Bank of England, and Deutsche Bank of Germany, both of which received BILLONS of our paycheck dollars.
Jo Ann Emerson made a deal with the devils, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid. She did their bidding. She did the bidding of the globalists in both parties. She off shored our jobs, she weakened our rights, and, yet, she feels that she is being betrayed by her former Pelosi-Reid and globalist handlers. She thumbed her nose at us, turned tous and gave us the finger over her votes FOR the greedy, gambling Wall Street banker bailouts.
Each election, Jo Ann Emerson gets $10,000 in a contribution from the AMERICAN BANKERS ASSOCIATION, and God only knows how much she gets from individual bankers as individual contributions.
Yep, politicans have sold us out, but we keep helping them do it, by re-electing political prostitutes like Jo Ann Emerson.
Rizzo,
Ah, the good ole days. What I would give for a little electro shock now. ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZ, Yummy.
Mightymo,
Agree with you 100% on reform, and what they are getting ready to dump on us is not reform, but forcing us into a cash cow, revenue stream for health insurers as a pay back for their contributions to both parties.
Mr. Wiffle,
You are right about politicians selling votes. Jo Ann Emerson has confided in serveral GOP county chairmen that she has been doing the Nancy Pelosi bump and grind for the last several years, so that Democrats would not put up and fund anyone who could beat her.
She now believes that they have double crossed her because they are getting behind Tommy Sowers, a West Point officer, who's family used to on the Rolla Newspaper. She is a little peeved at her Democrat and globalist handlers, because she gave them so much. She voted for all the job killing bills that Congress dreamed up, including MOST FAVORED NATION TRADING STATUS for COMMUNIST CHINA, a NAFTA type plan for Central America, called CAFTA, and the Bush-Obama bailout for greedy Wall Street Bankers, and foreign banks like the Bank of England, and Deutsche Bank of Germany, both of which received BILLONS of our paycheck dollars.
Jo Ann Emerson made a deal with the devils, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid. She did their bidding. She did the bidding of the globalists in both parties. She off shored our jobs, she weakened our rights, and, yet, she feels that she is being betrayed by her former Pelosi-Reid and globalist handlers. She thumbed her nose at us, turned tous and gave us the finger over her votes FOR the greedy, gambling Wall Street banker bailouts.
Each election, Jo Ann Emerson gets $10,000 in a contribution from the AMERICAN BANKERS ASSOCIATION, and God only knows how much she gets from individual bankers as individual contributions.
Yep, politicans have sold us out, but we keep helping them do it, by re-electing political prostitutes like Jo Ann Emerson.
Rizzo ... Your 4:22 p.m. post was impressive.
A few years ago, a local clinic hired a really great young doctor ... Somehow, during a couple of medical visits, he and I developed a sort of casual friendship.
He resigned within a year, disgusted that the majority of patients he saw who were either on Medicaid or qualified for the clinic's 'sliding income scale' ... were the children with sniffles whose parents demanded antibiotics, the women with vague headaches, aches or pains who demanded pain killers. When he explained that antibiotics would not help a cold or that Tylenol would be a better drug for minor pain, and he would not prescribe them, several patients complained to the director, who then chastised him for not accepting 'the norm,' saying that they were there to 'satisfy' their patients desires and to keeping their clientele numbers up.
He felt that his time for patients with genuine health needs was reduced due to having to deal with those without legitimate need. He also came to a conclusion that low-income health programs often encourage many people who would not ordinarily go to a doctor for minor ailments to take advantage of the system.
He saw the waste both to the taxpayers and to the medical profession; he saw the advantages taken. I miss him, but we do still correspond; he is happy now with what he views as his worthiness to his profession, rather than the feelings he had here of his talents and education (and our welfare dollars) being pretty much wasted ...
Incidentally ... this doctor came from a large low- to middle-income family who lived in a not-so-great St. Louis neighborhood. His medical education was paid for by his own personal determination to do whatever it took to succeed ... and it wasn't easy or fun. He rose above his family's circumstances, mainly through his own hard work.
I think that those who had to struggle and work to get to 'where they are', are the ones who generally are able to realize that our welfare system as we know it now is ... taking away from many who might have become successful in their lives.
Prince,
I believe you live in a fantasy world regarding illegals going back to Mexico. That may be true in your local neighborhood but not so in most of the country.
They are responsible in large part for the high cost of health insurance, the housing collapse, and out of control spending in general by local, state, and federal government.
California is the textbook example of illegal nanny care gone amok.
Gurusmom
Unfortunately, this is what is happening more and more. I know of several people who abuse the system to keep from having to work to hard, to obtain drugs they use for "other" uses, etc. The particular Medicaid participant I am referring to in my previous post had a minimum wage job with a family to support, but used his paycheck to buy marijuana, then expected the healthcare system to foot him and his family's medical expenses.
Along with OBRA in 1993 came about patient rights, which is a good thing in most cases (Why we can't over-sedate, tie to trees, and administer shock therapy when we feel like it). However, in conjunction with the current federal paid healthcare (i.e. Medicaid) together with OBRA presents the problems you were discussing that faced your doctor friend. Following that comes litigation, which causes healthcare costs to go even higher from malpractice suits... God bless the doctors. Apparently, there are a lot of "doctors" out there that never finished high school let alone attended medical school. This is what we are up against, this is the problem we need to solve.
It's a shame that more parents don't teach thier kids as mine taught me; the end result comes directly from what you put into it.
My parents are middle-class americans on a budget like most and, for the most part, I put myself through school, and this should have been expected of me.
If you are a minority in this country and still on welfare without a college degree, you are either uninformed or apathetic. You can get money to attend just about any public university you choose and start just about any business you would like, but that takes work and effort. And, it's just too much.
I'm glad we are on the same page on this one. Unfortunately, for most it's difficult to see this type of thing going on in the country without being in the profession and seeing it everyday.
Thank you for the compliment.
Balmy,
This I have only heard from people like you and Republican news stations, but never any where else. You sound like someone who just wants to blame someone for mistakes they can not figure out or too ashamed to admit to. All those things happened not because of a certain group of people, which is racism in my book and sickens me, and is actually the result of no regulation. Loan officers and mortgage companies charging high interest rates and insurance companies doing the same. Look at the facts before you point fingers or you are no better than that Hitler you try to paint Obama as.
Wheels and others,
I understand you come from a time before this, as did alot of my family. My great grandmother was 96 when she passed and she lived off of a set income of less than 500 a month which was from money she had in CDs. She had no cable, no car, just a house and a few bills to pay, yet she did not have health insurance. She was on Medicare and such. Even the VA insurance she should have gotten because my great grandfather served in WW2 and she was listed under, was cut out in the 70s when my great grandfather was killed. My Grandmother who died of Cancer was on Medicare and even fought to get on that because the insurance she had through the nursing home she worked at would not cover her because she had cancer was missed work for months because of it. She was born in the 40s and had a set budget and such as well. We can argue that priorities are priorities, but the fact is no matter what, people can not afford insurance and I will be damned if I will see another family member die or suffer because of it. Sick of the way the bill works, vote people in to fix it. If that will not satisfy you, run for an office and change it from there, but I demand that you stop seeing things through your piles of cash, your greed, your hate and your fears and start doing things that can help other people. Most of you think only for yourselves and that saddens me. My past family and current did not die or fight in the wars this country fought so people like you can try and kill the rest of us by being money hungry selfish pricks. I hate to be harsh but it needs to be said. Oh and by the way, I will still be the same person I am at 24 when I am 84 and I know it.
As for illegals, I am done arguing about them because everyone here in this town is too racist to see past the fact they are different than you and want the same thing you have.
Prince,
Thank you for the name calling. It's always a sign of a good debate. Frankly, I'm tired of it from all sides all the time. Not once did I say anything bad about your family, disagree with you concerning a need for healthcare, or bring racism into the debate. I simply stated a different way to consider the reform of healthcare, but you call me a "money hungry selfish prick".
I work in geriatrics. I understand how difficult it is for some of these people to get medical care. I'm on thier side. That's why I think reform should focus on Medicare and weeding out those who abuse the system and leave nothing for those who truly need it.
Do you not believe that if I choose to pay $100 out of my pocket for a routine doctors visit rather than charge to my insurance and pay a $15 dollar co-pay, then the $85 saved goes to someone who truly needs it? Imagine if everyone did this-- or had to, for that matter. What if Medicaid was set up to provide to you until you got a job that offered you insurance for you to use for the big stuff, and you used it as it is designed? And, what if your employer got a big tax break for paying 90% of the cost of your healthcare to you? Don't you think that the "trickle down" effect might leave more cash at hand in existing government programs, such as Medicare, to assist our seniors who are beyond working age, or even, make it available to people who are prior to retirement age but stricken with kidney failure or cancer? Why re-invent the wheel without exploring other solutions first? Why not try to get to the root of the problem?
This is all I'm saying.
Also, Prince,
I see you stated you are 24. I'm taking it you are in college-- as you talked about student loans. Are you married, or do you have children? If not, once you do and you start working to support and protect them, you may find you start thinking more like "Wheels and others" more. You may come to realize that others who do not see eye-to-eye with you are not necessarily "money hungry selfish pricks", but wanting to make a life for thier own family too and are working hard to do so, but can't seem to quite get there and need just a few more dollars less to uncle sam each week.
I'm going to go ahead and go out on a limb here and say that at $20,000 per year by our government standards may place you in the middle class/high taxing/does not qualify for anything free category, although you may live paycheck to paycheck as I do.
I think we all dream big, but in reality we are all just getting by.
Prince and Rizzo,
What a contrast in two young men!
Rizzo,
I commend you for your attitude and your ethic. Personal opinion... you will go far with your attitude, and others will wonder why you were promoted.
Prince,
You got a little harsh in this statement.... "but I demand that you stop seeing things through your piles of cash, your greed, your hate and your fears and start doing things that can help other people."
I don't take well to demands from anyone. You have a lot to learn obviously. And I wish that I could be around when you turn 84 to see how much you changed, however I won't.
Since you were a little harsh, I am going to give you a little harsh advice right back.
You mentioned the following.... "I want and need health insurance but when you are shelling out hundreds of dollars a month for school loan bills, car insurance, all house bills, food, gas for the car, and a few other expenses, you can not afford it when you make less than $20,000 a year. We need reform and we need it bad.
I am assuming you went to college since you mention school loans. What in the world did you major in that qualifies you for a job that pays less than $20,000 per year? While now might not be the best time to switch jobs.... my advice would be to start looking for one where you can afford to live without charity, and with a college education you should be able to find one sooner or later.
It is obvious that your vote was bought by those that would like to hold you in a state of semi poverty and dependant on the rest of society thru the benevolent government to subsidise your lifestyle.
You go on...."My past family and current did not die or fight in the wars this country fought so people like you can try and kill the rest of us by being money hungry selfish pricks. I hate to be harsh but it needs to be said."
My family also fought for this country, presumably to keep it free. Not to set up a government to confiscate property from one citizen to give to another.
Call me a prick and that licenses me to tell you what I think. If you were my grandson, I would be a lot more severe. But I will leave it at.... You need to grow up and quit acting like a spoiled child, the world owes you nothing!
Thank you Wheels... but I'm a chick!!! =) But, you were right about the "young" part-- I'm a humble 28 years old.
Wheels, pick your chin up off the floor. lol
Uh Turnips, I just did!
Ummm Rizzo,
Guess i don't quite know what to say, cause almost anything I do say will probably get me in trouble somewhere.
Let it suffice to say, I am sorry for presuming you were a guy.
But it doesn't make any difference. I think you are one of the most together 28 year old people I have run into lately. I still predict you will go far. You sound like my kind of a lady! And that is not a pass, you can safely refer to me as Gramps.
funny funny stuff. You being so perceptive and all....older and wiser...well, thanks for the laugh. I needed that.
No offense intended Rizzo.
OK Turnips,
Laugh at me. I owe you one!
I'll start in on your Psychadelic Rooster avatar again.
ROFL!! I'm not offended!! I just wanted to clarify! (Wheels, that means "rolling on the floor laughing") =) Wheels, I'm glad we could lighten it up a bit-- it was getting too intense on this forum!
I was told a long time ago that there are four things I can be a 100% sure of in life.
1. Taxes
2. Death
3. Cockroaches
4. Cher
Pups,
Don't know about Cher, but the other 3 are for sure.
Rizzo,
Thanks, for being a good sport.
Turnips,
:-(~
Goodnight guys, I have an 8:00AM appointment to get my car serviced. Need my beauty sleep.
Rizzo,
I did mean you in my statement and if you thought so I am sorry because you actually made alot more sense than Wheels. The statement I made was to all the people who would rather think about themselves. I am ok with taxes, because I understand the need for them, but with more people you mention tax and they go ape. They think someone is going to take all of their money. I myself have never gone broke from taxes and in fact they have never hurt me at all. Though the people I mentioned and directed that towards are the ones who don't want to see change because they want to keep all their money, fear change, and would rather help themselves and then anything happen to help everyone.
Yes, I am 24, I am a college graduate with a degree in Journalism, I am engaged, no children, and I work two jobs from less than $9 an hour. I could get a job in Journalism here, but I was told they are looking for only freelance and offered only $25 a story. With two jobs, and no time to do freelance for maybe a few stories a week at that rate, it is not worth it. I am currently on the waiting list to be a corrections officer in Charleston as well as to be a police officer here. Which both pay well and I get full benefits, so I would get free health care basically. So yes, I am a hard working MOFO. I know I will change when I have kids, but the standards I have now will not change. I will be more protective of them, but I will still want something to benefit the masses and not one person.
Wheels,
I am harsh because the world is harsh. I call things how I see them. If you don't like what I said, please try and convince me otherwise, but your current statement only enforces it. I speak the truth everyday and never lie. To me you are a grouchy old man, like alot of people I have seen stick their noses into debates on things like this. From your attitude and statements I will assume that you are a republican, as most are in this area. The typical repub like the Gov to stay out of their lives basically. They do not want the Gov controlling anything and want little to no taxes for people like them, but see it fit to tax the hell out of people like me. You are probably pro choice, anti-gay marriage, and from the sound of it, against anyone not of this country. How close am I? Because I am stopping here.
I say this to show why I said what I said, most republicans are well off and want to stay the way, hence the greed comment. Most republicans are anti immigration/ so called illegals and anti gay, hence the hate and fear comments.
Now my vote was bought by no one. I voted for the person I thought and still feel is the best. If it had been McCain and everything that is happening now happened under him, I bet you would be celebrating, not denouncing him. I have liberal ideals, but I am no democrat. Like our first real president, George Washington, I feel that we do not need parties, because they are basically all the same now, people looking to pass what they think is right and who are trying to please everyone, but in order to please everyone...well this is no way.
By the way, if you were my grandfather, I would have put you in a home. Paid for by your retirement money and Social Security. Maybe even paid for by the Gov as a cruel twist of fate. Maybe welfare.
Don't like my assesments and words, then don't act like you know me, because you don't. I think the world owes us all and that includes me but not just me.
Oh and by the way, I do live without charity. No Gov. Aid here sir.