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Gingrich, Dean split on public option for health care reform but find other points of agreement

Thursday, October 29, 2009

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Former Vermont governor Howard Dean gives his opening remarks to a large crowd Wednesday evening during the health care debate with former House speaker Newt Gingrich at the Show Me Center in Cape Girardeau.
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Two politicians with opposite ideas about health care reform agreed on a few points Wednesday night.

Howard Dean and Newt Gingrich faced off in a debate in front of a crowd of about 2,000 at the Show Me Center. The event was part of Southeast Missouri State University's Speaker Series. The politicians were collectively paid $85,450 for the appearance, which was funded by the student activity fee.

Gingrich, the former speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, was critical of politicians working on health care legislation in Washington, D.C. He called it the most irresponsible legislative process in his lifetime while talking to reporters before the debate.

"I am absolutely opposed to legislating in secret and making proposals that nobody understands," Gingrich said in his opening statement. He said current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hold news conferences to rehash old reform ideas.

Allowing states to opt into a public option, which was proposed by Reid earlier this week, will cause states to go bankrupt, Gingrich said.

Gingrich also criticized the current government-run systems, Medicaid and Medicare, saying they were corrupt.

Eliciting laughs from the crowd, he recalled a story about a doctor who filed paperwork for four colonoscopies on one patient in one day.

"To which I replied, 'I hope that's fraud,'" he said.

Dean, a strong supporter of a public option, said it will be necessary in any health care reform.

"There's a lot more to this than the uninsured," he said during his opening statement. "This is about hard-working Americans that can't afford to get sick."

He talked about the health care reform that occurred in Vermont while he was governor. He said 96 percent of children have health insurance there today.

"We're a lot like everyone else, and it works," said Dean, a doctor who also served as the chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

He said he is confident Congress will pass legislation that will include a public option. People will be comfortable with it because it will resemble Medicare and it will be available "fairly soon," he said.

"Whatever gets passed this time is going to be the very tip of the reform," Dean said.

Before the debate, Dean told reporters he did not advocate prescription drug reform that would allow importation. He said there are too many problems with manufacturing practices in other countries.

"I think that would be a hard sell to the American people," he said.

The event was moderated by Erik Peterson, senior vice president of the Center for Strategic and International Studies. The debate started with opening statements from each politician. Peterson covered topics from questions submitted beforehand, including ideas about the public option, affordability and rural health care.

Both politicians agreed there should be more incentives to increase the number of primary care providers.

"Expand what is primary care to make sure nurse practitioners can set up their own practice," Dean said to a cheering crowd.

Gingrich suggested paying medical school loans of doctors who commit a decade of service in underserved areas.

On the issue of tort reform, Dean said it should be left up to the states.

Gingrich said he agreed tort reform should be left to the states only if the federal government stops micromanaging other issues. Both also expressed a need to convert to a wellness-based system that gives incentives for better behaviors.

Aside from ideas regarding a public option, Gingrich said the two could come up with several ways to reform the current system, which he described as a mess and unnecessarily expensive.

"I think we'd come up with 20 or 30 breakthrough ideas," he said.

Students, faculty and staff were not charged admission for the event. It was open to the public at $8 a ticket. The proceeds will go to the University Foundation to provide financial assistance to students.

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Apparently no one can see the forest for all the trees!

WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS "TORT" REFORM!

I personally know a couple of practicing doctors in the Cape area. One of these doctors pays malpractice insurance premiums that are 6 figures, and the other pays 7 figures!

This money does not grow on trees!

It has to come from somewhere....I'll give you 3 guesses where it comes from and who pays this money and the first two guesses do not count!

I believe we need to change the laws regarding lawsuits, first, THE LOOSER ALWAYS PAYS, (this gets rid of the contingency problem where you have to sue for twice what you really wanted just to pay your lawyer). It also weeds out ridiculous lawsuits that can't be won.

Next, ACTUAL DAMAGES ONLY! No punitive damages, let the medical quality assurance people handle punishment of doctors who are careless.

Of course there are other problems with our system, but another unfunded entitlement program with all the Federal red tape that comes with something like this is NOT what we need!

-- Posted by Walkenstick on Thu, Oct 29, 2009, at 7:12 AM

Surprised at the standing room only crowd. Nice to see people turn out to hear a pretty decent discussion on an important issue.

-- Posted by IonU on Thu, Oct 29, 2009, at 11:39 AM

I have an idea.... Send these two guys back to washington to do the job they are already being paid to do, instead of paying them 85 grand to come here and talk about the job they're not doing.

-- Posted by the_eye on Thu, Oct 29, 2009, at 12:18 PM

I have an idea.... Send these two guys back to washington to do the job they are already being paid to do, instead of paying them 85 grand to come here and talk about the job they're not doing.

-- Posted by the_eye on Thu, Oct 29, 2009, at 12:18 PM

Both of these guys are private citizens and hold no elected positions right now. Just exactly what are they supposed to go "back to Washington" and do?

-- Posted by Data48 on Thu, Oct 29, 2009, at 3:29 PM

Good point Data48, but I could think of many more constructive things the University could do with $85,450 worth of "student activity fees"! OMG!!!

-- Posted by TheCamp on Thu, Oct 29, 2009, at 5:14 PM

excuse me if this view is posted twice....The student representitives made the choice on the speakers series programing. based on the number of students in attandance this was programing they responded to.

-- Posted by darkstar on Thu, Oct 29, 2009, at 9:44 PM

ok I figureing out how this works......In addition they elected to allow what could have been closed programing access to the community. They made avaiable cheape (8$.) tickets to the public for their event.

The student board saw that in addition to the value to the student intrest there would be a larger community intrest an provided a vechical for broader participation.

I hope that in the future the student boards will find other chances to allow the broader public to enjoy the progaming tht they bring to campus.

-- Posted by darkstar on Thu, Oct 29, 2009, at 9:56 PM

When you break it down to the nuts of the problem we need a system that does not allow arbitrary pricing by the provider. Who can shop around in an emergency? What choices do you really have in choosing the care you receive. Do you have the option to bring a $2.00 bottle of tylenol with you or must you pay $10.00 for one asprin.

If you are insured you will see on your bill what the insurance company "allows" the provider to charge. They can do this because they shop for you in a semirational manner. The better they shop, the lower your premium. That is how they earn their money.

The people in charge of how much to charge is mainly the estimaters that work for the hospitals and other providers. If you buy an X-ray machine, how many months and pictures must you use it before you recoup your capital investment. Of course hospitals are "not for profit" organizations, and tax exempt and beyond public and political scrutiny because hell hath no fury than a community scorned.

The current schemes are devised to either replace the insurance companies with government oversight of the pricing of services or government subsidies to buy private insurance. Either way both plans miss the boat. We do not want to bankrupt the provider, nor do we want to go bankrupt paying the provider. We want rational healthcare pricing not national healthcare or rationed healthcare.

-- Posted by yy4me on Thu, Oct 29, 2009, at 11:04 PM

"Both of these guys are private citizens and hold no elected positions right now."

Well, golly gosh, by the way they keep themselves in the spotlight, you'd never know it.

I have an opinion on healthcare reform, but it didn't pay me 85,000 bucks. It caused me to LOSE my job.

-- Posted by the_eye on Sat, Oct 31, 2009, at 12:38 PM


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