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Wednesday, October 14, 2009

Reluctant to re-enlist

I am part of a silent majority who will never be heard except for forums like this one in my hometown newspaper. Sadly, if I speak out about my concerns of the coming morally bankrupt policy of ending the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, my concerns would be retaliated against up and down my chain of command. I am a sergeant in the Army. All of my soldiers say they will not re-enlist if the policy is rescinded. Frankly I am afraid that our Army would be decimated. It is sad that we have elected officials who don't care about the ramifications of their actions.

Forgot the reason

THERE are too many crazed fanatics who redouble their efforts when they have forgotten their goal.

But not me

SEND 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan -- 60,000, 100,000. I hear that a lot from civilians in coffee shops in the area served by the Southeast Missourian. What I don't hear is the old saw that war hath no fury like a non-combatant.

Burning fields

FARMERS burn their fields to re-energize them. Burning the field puts nutrients back into them. This is a fairly easy and cheap way for farmers to get natural nutrients and grow their crops. In a period of low economy, people like to save money. The farming business does not have a steady income like a 9-to-5 job, so saving money helps out greatly. I also have severe allergy problems and have dealt with this all my life. We live in an area surrounded by fields that farmers burn. Let them burn them. It's a few hours out of your life that you can stay inside and do some cleaning or catch up on a good book.

Nobel accomplishments

OUR president was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize after only 11 days in office, and he has won the prize. Do any of us really believe he accomplished the most to bring peace to the world? His accomplishments after nine months in office are that he has spent three times more money per year than any previous president. What does that have to do with peace?

Time to act

I feel bad for the children coming behind us. They will be the ones getting hurt if we don't do something about it. We are going to have to band together and get our heads out of the sand. In 2010 let's show we mean business when we say enough is enough. You better hear our cries, White House.


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From yesterday:

KCPO - 566.068 RSMo., Child molestation second degree . . .a person subjects a child less than 17 to sexual contact. . . 17 year old boyfriend could still be charged . . .Class A misdemeanor

-- Posted by one4kids on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 8:41 PM

One4Kids,

I stand corrected. As a part of my official duties, I referred cases like this to two different Prosecuting Attorney Offices and was referred to the aforementioned statutes and told no charges could be filled.

I guess none of us knew what we were talking about.

In light of the changes in other laws, I believe this one should also and provide more leeway to consider the victim and perpetrator. If this law were to be rigorously enforced most of our young people would be considered sex offenders.

I apologize for the erroneous information provided and will refrain from posting in the future.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 7:34 AM

I have wanted to post to this for years, but finally have had enough. I drive from Jackson to Cape for work and every day I witness drivers who need to review the "Rules of the Road". When driving on an interstate, or two lane road, such as going through Cape County Park, you drive in the right lane, especially if you drive slow, and you pass or drive faster in the left lane. The left lane is not for driving slow and holding up traffic, please people learn how to drive. Be considerate of other drivers!

-- Posted by dadsgirl on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 8:05 AM

It is always unsafe to pass a car on the inside lane because of visibility issues, yet oftentimes one must do that because of a left lane road hog. Yet passing on the inside lane (undertaking is how it is termed in Great Britain where it is a moving violation)is often necessary because of ignorant drivers who prove it is to easy to get a driver's license here. Of course these same drivers are texting while driving, putting on make up while driving or doing other things while oblivious to what is going on around them. Usually a quick tap of the high beams will awaken them to the reality of their situation and they will move over. (If you have ever driven in Europe you will remember seeing the flashing headlights of faster motorists as they overtake a slower vehicle in the same lane).

-- Posted by Observer1 on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 8:18 AM

Response to John L. Cook:

Mr. Cook, I beg to disagree with you on the term "earned". In my opinion his nomination was first accepted, by the Nobel Peace Committee, and he then was awarded by the same committee.

I don't wonder that Mr. Obama was surprised that he had been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Even he would have to be surprised that he had been nominated with only one month in office. Are you aware that the considered Peace Prize nominations were received prior to February 1st, 2009? The rules say; "These prize nominations must reach the respective Nobel Committees of the Prize Awarding Institutions before February 1 of the year for which the nomination is being made."

Mr. Obama is touted as being charismatic, charming and politically savvy. Is he? From what I hear in "Flyover Country" is that all of his public appearances are not increasing his poll numbers at home. As the "Chosen One", in the minds of some, maybe he should try using Parables!

-- Posted by hehall on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 8:31 AM

"From what I hear in "Flyover Country" is that all of his public appearances are not increasing his poll numbers at home."

-- Posted by hehall on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 8:31 AM

Anecdotal hearsay used as evidence to support a faulty assumption. Gotta love rightwinger logic!

-- Posted by Ike on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 9:53 AM

dadsgirl

Thanks for speaking up. There is a law in Jackson but I have never seen it enforced. Some people don't care but I have passed then in the turn lane before. It is against the law to pass on the right side BTW. Also the left turn lane.

-- Posted by Wiff on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:04 AM

Meet the People Who Were Passed Over for Obama

Sima Samar, women's rights activist in Afghanistan: "With dogged persistence and at great personal risk, she kept her schools and clinics open in Afghanistan even during the most repressive days of the Taliban regime, whose laws prohibited the education of girls past the age of eight. When the Taliban fell, Samar returned to Kabul and accepted the post of Minister for Women's Affairs."

Ingrid Betancourt: French-Colombian ex-hostage held for six years.

"Dr. Denis Mukwege: Doctor, founder and head of Panzi Hospital in Bukavu, Democratic Republic of Congo. He has dedicated his life to helping Congolese women and girls who are victims of gang rape and brutal sexual violence."

Handicap International and Cluster Munition Coalition: "These organizations are recognized for their consistently serious efforts to clean up cluster bombs, also known as land mines. Innocent civilians are regularly killed worldwide because the unseen bombs explode when stepped upon."

"Hu Jia, a human rights activist and an outspoken critic of the Chinese government, who was sentenced last year to a three-and-a-half-year prison term for 'inciting subversion of state power.'"

"Wei Jingsheng, who spent 17 years in Chinese prisons for urging reforms of China's communist system. He now lives in the United States."

Still feel wrm and fuzzy Ike?

-- Posted by Wiff on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:08 AM

This pretty well sums up my opinion:

There is a ticking bomb embedded in America's future that is hiding in plain sight. Everyone knows about it. Everyone acknowledges its potential to do enormous damage to our economy. Everyone is worried that, if not defused, it will destroy the dreams and aspirations of future generations of Americans.

And yet, we continue to act as if we can't see the danger. We pretend that we can continue to pass the problem along to the next administration, the next congress, the next generation of Americans, as if they will be any different and find the courage to face the cancer that is eating us away from within.

We refuse to address the issue of middle class entitlements and how their growth will eventually impoverish the nation. And every year we delay, the problems only grow worse.

Today, we live in the most affluent nation in the world. This is largely the result of our possessing a hard working, industrious, creative, educated middle class whose amazing productivity is the wonder of the modern world. But certain demographic trends are emerging - trends that no one can stop or alter - that will make it impossible for that same middle class to maintain their standard of living not so many years from now.

As James Capretta points out, writing in the new policy quarterly National Affairs, the middle class entitlements of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid were all predicated on a growing, prosperous work force. If that were ever to change, the US government would find itself in the same position that General Motors finds itself today; a company whose own health and pension arrangements with its workforce has bankrupted it...

-- Posted by Wiff on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM

Time to act ....be careful..these are the ones who will pick out your old folks home ..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM

Wiffle: Get over the Nobel Prize and move on to something with some substance. Try to find out who nominated Obama and trash them. By the way, the middles class destruction began in 2001. Where were you then?

-- Posted by howdydoody on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:32 AM

Wiffle,

Good post on the nominees. All seem more deserving.

I have another suggestion, if it had to go to an american, why not bill gates?

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/hom...

Even if you disagree with some of the projects and policies, poeple should at least admire a person who takes the mass fortune he has accumulated and uses it to help better the world.

-- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:35 AM

The writer who says that when farmers burn their fields, it puts nutrients back into the soil has it just exactly backwards: It REMOVES much of the nutrients from the soil. The state ag folks have been trying to get farmers to stop burning their fields for years and years....about 40 years that I know of. Burning of fields helps prematurely deplete those fields of the very nutrients most needed.

Farmers don't burn their fields to give the soil nutrients. They burn their fields as a quicker and more economical method of getting rid of the remnants of the first crop, so they can more quickly plant a second crop there. It's cheaper to burn their fields than it is to plow them under, and while I cannot blame them for thinking this way, they are short-sighted in doing so.

-- Posted by Raunchy on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:38 AM

Mr. Wiffle,

You raise good points in your last post. But all is not lost. Just a few years back congress was able to create a surplus while paying down debt.

So what happened? People started to worry about voting for an R or D instead of voting based on substance.

So instead of going out of the way bashing 1 particular party on mundane issues, how about we bash all politicians on waste.

-- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:44 AM

Reluctant to Re-enlist: So your soldiers are fine serving side by side with homosexuals, as long as the homosexuals aren't allowed to SAY that they are homosexual? That's just sad and ridiculous. What is sad is that we have people "defending our freedoms," and yet seem not to believe in them. And I would never say you're part of a "silent" majority--this so-called "silent majority" has been repressing the rights of those with whom they don't agree for centuries. There's nothing silent about that. Maybe the higher-ups in the military need to teach a little more common sense to some of these ridiculously homophobic soldiers: homosexuality isn't contagious.

-- Posted by MusicMaker on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 11:05 AM

Reluctant to Re-enlist: So your soldiers are fine serving side by side with homosexuals, as long as the homosexuals aren't allowed to SAY that they are homosexual? That's just sad and ridiculous. What is sad is that we have people "defending our freedoms," and yet seem not to believe in them. And I would never say you're part of a "silent" majority--this so-called "silent majority" has been repressing the rights of those with whom they don't agree for centuries. There's nothing silent about that. Maybe the higher-ups in the military need to teach a little more common sense to some of these ridiculously homophobic soldiers: homosexuality isn't contagious.

-- Posted by MusicMaker on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 11:05 AM

As far as gay issues, i am for gay marriage and equal rights.

However, the military is a different culture, subject to seperate set of laws. To join the VOLUNTARY military, you do sacrafice some of your freedoms.

This culture will be slow to addapt. Will their eventualy come a time when an openly gay person servies? Probably. But right now is really not the time.

-- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 11:47 AM

Why not ask the Nobel Committee why they chose Obama?

http://nobelprize.org/mediaplayer/index....

And perhaps compare the achievements of the other nominees with Nobel's intentions for the peace prize:

http://nobelprize.org/alfred_nobel/will/...

I'm not saying it was the best decision, but it's not my award to give. Doesn't it make more sense to find out why the committee did what they did rather than parrot crap from TV and criticize based on personal perception of the prize?

I suppose we should just be grateful that people are actually talking about the Nobel prize (anybody know who won last year? or even remember hearing about it last year?) rather than arguing about the Emmys or some other even more meaningless crap.

-- Posted by Polisher on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 11:51 AM

Polisher,

Good point.

-- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 1:07 PM

FrohnaJoe,

I agree, we began using "no till" methods on our farms years ago and while we no longer farm, but rather rent it out, the people who farm it have continued to use "no till" after using our equipment one year. We do not allow the burning of any crop residue on our land and the productivity has actually increased during this time.

Yes, it takes a little more time, but in the long run it is better for the soil when the residue is turned under.

Several farmers around us no longer burn their fields and I hope this trend continues.

I am not an expert in this field, so the above is only representative of my personal experience, others may vary.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 1:37 PM

So instead of going out of the way bashing 1 particular party on mundane issues, how about we bash all politicians on waste.

-- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:44 AM

I'm with you. I want to stop the spending and always have. There is nothing we can do about the past. It is already water under the bridge. What we can do is help this administration to see the light.

Someone said our children will pay. It has already gone past them. It is our grandchildren and great grandchildren.

-- Posted by Wiff on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 1:49 PM

Red

A friend at Skeston started no till 3 years ago. Fuel savings was the big thing then. He is pleased.

-- Posted by Wiff on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 2:01 PM

I have never heard explained how putting openly homosexual and heterosexual military personnel together in close quarter barracks or berthing quarters on ship would be any different than putting straight men and women together in those same situations.

Straight men are attracted and turned on by straight women correct? And homosexual men are attracted and turned on by men in general. Homosexual women are the same with women in general.

I would bet that most straight men would not want known homosexual men ogling them in the less than private situations in the military. I would guess women are the same.

So if the social engineers really want everyone to be equal and claim that their would be no disruption mixing gays with straights, then why not mix all women and men together be they gay or straight in the sleeping and shower quarters ?

That would be pure lunacy of course. I say leave things as they are now.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 2:04 PM

Wiffle: Get over the Nobel Prize and move on to something with some substance. Try to find out who nominated Obama and trash them. By the way, the middles class destruction began in 2001. Where were you then?

-- Posted by howdydoody on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:32 AM

O.K. doody, how about this? I wonder how you would have felt if it had been someone like say, Rush Limbaugh? Rush Limbaugh was a nominee for last years Nobel prize. I'm sure you would have had no problem with that nominee being awarded the prize, right? And, I'm sure you support Mr. Limbaugh's becoming a co-owner of the St. Louis Rams 100% too, right? Oh, and BTW Wheels set you straight on middle class destruction, I hope you read and took note.

-- Posted by ResistBHO on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 2:14 PM

Mr. Wiffle,

Yes, no till is a fuel saver, but the equipment is pretty high though in the long run it pays off.

Even some of our neighbors who have not gone the no till route still use the extra fuel and turn the crop residue under. This is really beneficial in some of the heavier ground and clay.

Since there can be a problem of compaction over time, our farmers use a subsoiler every couple of years and those things really burn the fuel. They really help water absorption/percolation and allow air into the soil, so it pays for itself.

Again, not an expert, just what I have been told.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM

John Adams: Regarding your 2:14 post, I didn't know Rush Limbaugh was nominated for last years Nobel. Interesting. You know I could give a S*** less who has ever been nominated or whoever as received this award. I DO NOT CARE. I hope Rush is sucessful in buying the Rams. It will sure make for a lot of fodder on the forum. Wiffle can't even set himself straight, let alone anyone else. There was no such thing as a robust middle class until after WW2 when the unions organized against rogue employers. Read and take note.

-- Posted by howdydoody on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 3:48 PM

However, the military is a different culture, subject to seperate set of laws. To join the VOLUNTARY military, you do sacrafice some of your freedoms.

This culture will be slow to addapt. Will their eventualy come a time when an openly gay person servies? Probably. But right now is really not the time.

-- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 11:47 AM

I say leave things as they are now.

-- Posted by InfoWarrior on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 2:04 PM

Change means movement. Movement means friction. Only in the frictionless vacuum of a nonexistent abstract world can movement or change occur without that abrasive friction of conflict.

- Saul Alinsky

Willingness to change is a strength, even if it means plunging part of the company into total confusion for a while.

- Jack Welch

If you don't change, reality in the end forces that change upon you.

- Stuart Wilde

-- Posted by MusicMaker on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 4:02 PM

Sorry, Wheels....I needed a change. My other option was a pic of buffalo that said "GoBuckaFuffalo". Thought this one would be more appropriate. te he he

-- Posted by Turnip on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 5:59 PM

Uh Oh! Here we go again.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/blai...

-- Posted by Wiff on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 6:00 PM

Rick

Nice Bud

Fresh ?

-- Posted by Dave B on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 6:05 PM

Red

Down there they have a problem of their topsoil blowing away since it is about 20+ percent sand and it does stabilize the soil. You are being a good steward of the land if you do it also.

He said the bad thing this year is the Roundup isn't doing the job it once did. He subsoiled his two year ago and I couldn't believe how packed the ground was. He has big equipment and it pulled the life out of them.

-- Posted by Wiff on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 6:07 PM

Dave

Rick is away from the computer for a while. He is on his second bag of cookies and just ordered a X-large pizza.

-- Posted by Wiff on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 6:10 PM

So are you saying Music Maker that mixing both sexes and both sexual orientations together in the military sleeping quarters is positive change?

Don't stop with the half measure of just mixing gays and straights of the same gender together. Why not mix everyone together if change is always positive and good?

By the way I don't believe that change is always necessarily good even if the Communist/Marxist Alinsky and war-profiteer Welch thinks differently.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 6:21 PM

I want a large pizza just looking at Rick's avatar.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 6:26 PM

Info

If that is his he is a master gardener.

-- Posted by Wiff on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 6:45 PM

Wiffle, I wonder if Rick uses the no till method of planting? I'm pretty positive he doesn't use Roundup.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 6:52 PM

Oh. I forgot to add that Rick does burn his crop at the end of the season.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 6:54 PM

I would say he likes to have other plants around for camouflage so roundup is out.

-- Posted by Wiff on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 7:35 PM

I have a question: Why is it gay's feel the need to broadcast their sexuality? (Isn't that what this really is about anyway?)

I've been around gays for years. Some have been so relaxed with who they are they found no need to force those around them to cater to them. They were NOT closet 'gays' either. It's those that find the need to force their choice of SEXUALITY on others that make people unconfortable. And being unconfortable doesn't make one 'homophobic.' If that is the case, then Patrick Harris must be hetrophobic since he found it highly offensive for one to suggest that he was involved with a woman.

The 'homophobic' cry is the most political correctness cry heard in an attempt to oppress those that disagree. To suggest that people opposed to the 'gay agenda' would have an irrational fear is ludicrus. I am opposed to the Democrats agenda, does that mean I'm Demophobic? I am opposed to satanist, does that mean I am satanphobic? I am also opposed to stupidity, so am I stupidphobic?

You have your freedom of speech. If I disagree with you, then I also have the freedom to speak. Only those without good arguements find the need to call names or to make attempts to keep me quiet. When, and only when you can talk without calling names or using broad labels, will I listen to your reasoning. Until then, your words ring hollow.

-- Posted by LiveAnotherDay on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 8:25 PM

John Adams: Regarding your 2:14 post, I didn't know Rush Limbaugh was nominated for last years Nobel. Interesting. You know I could give a S*** less who has ever been nominated or whoever as received this award. I DO NOT CARE. I hope Rush is sucessful in buying the Rams. It will sure make for a lot of fodder on the forum. Wiffle can't even set himself straight, let alone anyone else. There was no such thing as a robust middle class until after WW2 when the unions organized against rogue employers. Read and take note.

-- Posted by howdydoody on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 3:48 PM

Boy Howdy,

The middle class destruction started before we were born.

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:40 AM

Doody...you can't even read before you shoot your mouth off...as usual your response was rambling non responsive full of errors and misnomers...spiced with your own self inducted excrement that now substitutes for your brains...typical egotistical excrement head ... loud, abusive, condescending.. and just plain wrong. Go read something besides marxist slanted propaganda and grow up.

-- Posted by ResistBHO on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 8:31 PM

Thanks for speaking out Sgt. We have a President that wants to transform this country into socialist Europe. He has been working to that end his entire adult life. I have no problems with gays that shut up and keep their sexual preferences to themselves. I have the same feeling about heterosexuals. Keep you sexual practices and behavior private. DO NOT TRY TO FORCE IT ON ME.

-- Posted by Balmy on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 8:35 PM

Way to go John Adams.

When I read Arguing With Idiots. I have continous visions of arguing with Doody. LOL

-- Posted by Balmy on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 8:45 PM

Well said at 8:25 Live another Day. I don't care what anyone does sexually as long as everyone agrees, it is legal, and no kids are involved. But I too get tired of people broadcasting their sexual preferences and trying to force people to accept those preferences.

I don't care what France, Great Britain, Sweden and Holland do in their military. It is not a wise idea to mix openly gay and straight people in the U.S. military.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 8:57 PM

you never know who you're going to get stuck in a foxhole with ... it doesn't pay to be holier then thou !

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 9:39 PM

I have a question: Why is it gay's feel the need to broadcast their sexuality? (Isn't that what this really is about anyway?)

-- Posted by LiveAnotherDay on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 8:25 PM

No, that is not what its about. Well, maybe for some. but the fact is you can't be gay and serve. So you can be "closet" and serve. But if somebody outs you, they you will be released.

-- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:05 PM

Thanks for speaking out Sgt. We have a President that wants to transform this country into socialist Europe. He has been working to that end his entire adult life. I have no problems with gays that shut up and keep their sexual preferences to themselves. I have the same feeling about heterosexuals. Keep you sexual practices and behavior private. DO NOT TRY TO FORCE IT ON ME.

-- Posted by Balmy on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 8:35 PM

Please. Why can't people just be honest. It's ok to comment you don't like gays.

Tell me, if you are in a restauraunt and see a young male and femal couple get engaged and kiss, do you applaud, or do you go over to them and tell them not to force their sexuality on you.

-- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:09 PM

No one answered my question at 2:04. Why would it not be the same to mix men and women in the barracks as it would be to put openly gay men in the same tight sleeping quarters with straight men. On my destroyer we had 20 sailors sleeping in the area the size of most people's kitchen.

My answer is neither would be appropriate to sustain military order.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 10:38 PM

Kind of a silly thought on the 'don't ask, don't tell' thing ... had read something similar quite some time ago ...

Homosexuality is, as the name implies, about sex ... If 'open homosexuality' is approved in the military, then wouldn't it be reasonable to expect that, in all 'fairness,' there would be no divisions whatsoever based on gender ... in the barracks, etc.? If one thinks about it rather logically, it doesn't make much sense actually?

Info, I see you said it better than I ... Agree 100% with you, on all your points.

Red_Rhino! It is such a pleasure to 'see' you again!

LiveAnotherDay, your post at 8:25 PM was excellent ... thank you very much!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 11:28 PM


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