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Speak Out 9/11/09

Friday, September 11, 2009

More of the same

I just read the president's speech. It was very good. I am sorry that Republicans can't have something that good to say. Maybe if they did, out country wouldn't be in such a bad shape. We need a lot less of Rush Limbaugh and a lot more people like the president.

There it is

AFTER hearing from some well-known sources that President Obama would push some kind of health agenda in his speech to America's schoolchildren, I decided to read the whole transcript. It's true! In it, he clearly states that children should frequently wash their hands. Congratulations to parents who kept their children home from school in order to shield them from such a controversial subject.

Message for students

PARENTS who went to great lengths to keep their children from hearing President Obama's back-to-school motivational speech and the politicians who fed this mind-boggling paranoid frenzy are in for a big surprise. Their actions ensure that these children will go to great lengths to hear the speech, act accordingly, see their grades, school success and self-esteem rise accordingly, become strong Obama supporters, and scratch their heads in wonderment over why their parents would not want them to work hard and stay in school.

Government plan

REP. Jo Ann Emerson says she is against a government-run health care plan, yet she has a government-run plan herself. Why doesn't Emerson give up her government insurance and get a plan from the private sector? What our Republican politicians are telling us is that it is OK for them to have cheap government insurance, but it is not OK for you.

Forced flu shots

I am a health care worker and was informed that I would have to take flu shots or be terminated. The only way out of it is a doctor's excuse or religious reasons, and then you would be forced to wear a mask. Try wearing a mask all day at work. I do not think it is right to force someone to take a flu shot. This is another way our rights are being taken away. Look out, America. We are losing all our freedoms little by little.

Pay it forward

T0 the person who paid my balance at the doctor's office so I could be seen: Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I don't know how I could ever describe how much that meant to me. I have never had anyone do something so kind. I hope one day I can do the same for someone else in need. Thank you so much for your kindness, and God bless you.

More taxes

PRESIDENT Obama says he only wants to tax the rich. When he taxes the middle class and the poor, he doesn't call it a tax. Instead, he is not going to give you your cost-of-living increase for two years on your Social Security. That's billions of dollars, some of it coming from people who have no other income. He isn't through yet. He is proposing an assessment on health insurance companies. Those companies have no other source of income than the premium you and I pay, so this will result in premium increases on your health insurance and Medicare supplements.

Sidewalk project

I cannot believe how long it is taking to finish the Mount Auburn Road sidewalk project. The traffic is so slow. I had hoped the project would include turning lanes, which is what was needed, but it's only for sidewalks that you see no one walking on.

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More taxes

He will call it a sales tax and let the greedy corporations (walmart Ameren ect.) collect it for him. Cap and trade will be the first. 45 cents per gallon and 30% of your utilities. The largest tax increase on the working man and poor ever. Is that the hope or the change part?

-- Posted by Wiff on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 4:44 AM

Over 67% of the people want Health Care Reform in this nation. This is the most important issue in our lives and we need it and need it now. I'm sick and tired watching the health insurance companies ripping the people off. Reform is needed is needed now, not next year or five years from now it is simple as that.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 5:23 AM

Sidewalk project

Take a closer look. Do you see the new storm sewer inlets and the big box culvert north of Old Hopper Road? Have you noticed that the manhole structures are a little high? That's because Mount Auburn is going to get overlaid with an asphaltic concrete wearing surface. It's not just a sidewalk job.

But what I'd really get to...

It's not a big deal IF YOU WOULD JUST TAKE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE! Also, "traffic" in Cape is a joke. You can't wait in line for a couple of minutes [if that]? Do yourself a favor and don't drive in St. Louis, ever [even worse, how about LA?]. I've had enough with the complainers who don't have a clue on how to build a QUALITY product. Spend a week or two out in the field, then maybe you'd have an inkling on what it takes.

-- Posted by lurker on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 7:14 AM

More of the same: Whew - it just don't get more scary than this. Let's wipe out the gratuitous Rush Limbaugh remark.

Read this and we'll chat some more:


Then maybe this:


-- Posted by blogbudsman on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 8:13 AM

What about the lady in Jefferson County who complained to the sheriff because a funeral for a fallen soldier inconvenienced her. I like his response. He told her she should take the soldier's place in Iraq and see if that inconvenienced her. Common sense, common courtesy and common decency just aren't so common any more.

-- Posted by Observer1 on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 8:16 AM

More of the same: here's another:


-- Posted by blogbudsman on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 8:38 AM

Simple logic. Obama and Dems want to cover 47.5 Million Uninsured in America. 10-20 Million of those are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. So, Obama and Dems want to cover 10-20 Million illegal immigrants.

Who's Lying? Joe Wilson has it right!

Oh, and here's the video where the Dems booed Bush during the State Of The Union Speech. Did sycophant press call for censure there? Pathetic.


-- Posted by bebo on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 8:44 AM

I just do not understand why the City of Cape contracts anything to "Sloppy Lappe" concrete. I understand they are continually the low bidder but a little quality would be worth a little extra money.

-- Posted by foreman on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 8:48 AM

More of the same...Oh, but there are many more just like Obama, just check out his cabinet and all the czars. Just how many more do you want?

There it is, Message for students...What do you expect from a government school? Of course they will take orders to be sure to have the kids watch the president. So now you criticize the independent thinkers. Nice.

Governement Plan...Yeah, good old, (emphasis on old), JoAnn. She would never stoop to go on the same health plan being pushed for the general public. No, even Fat Teddy thumbed off the senate health plan in favor of going to a special clinic in another state.

Forced shots...So quit, and go into business for yourself doing what you are doing now, and compete against the folks hasseling you. It's a free country, (so far), you know.

Pay if forward...Hey, that is wicked good on the person that payed. Nicely done.

More taxes...OK, look JoAnn, you can print a column in the SE Mo'n, you don't need to call Speak Out.

Sidewalk project...Why not wait and see what the final result is before you open mouth and insert foot?

-- Posted by Hawker on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 9:05 AM

As for the nurse who feels threatened by compulsory flu shots, early Christians considered regular bathing sac religious. I suppose there still may be a few left who object to washing their hands regularly also. Should they be working in healthcare? What would we do with a law enforcement officer who refused to accept the need to occasionally resort to force? Come on! Its time to grow up and be big people! On the subject of growing up and being big people, the lie that federal legislation would allow illegal aliens to get healthcare is as dead as the death panel bologna. The legislation under consideration specifically excludes it. Current loose procedures are full of holes that do allow such occurrences, and should be fixed. But again, grow up and realize, that nothing has changed or will change relevant to proposed healthcare legislation. This needs to be addressed when lawmakers take on immigration.

-- Posted by wrcactus on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 10:04 AM

I noticed the SEMissourian took the thread off real quick asking about Swingle and Buerkle. A lot of other less interesting threads are left on forever. What gives SEMissourian?

-- Posted by howdydoody on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 10:32 AM

Howdy, I just read your thread, perhaps your computer is malfunctioning.

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 11:09 AM

There it is...lol. ☻

Message for students...whatever happened to differing opinions.

Forced flu shots...forced, how can it be forced if you have the option to be masked instead??

Pay it forward...that is sooo nice. ☻

More taxes...do you really believe politicians when they tell you "No more taxes"? C'mon...

Sidewalk project...I still say the road needs to be widened. I avoid this road so that I don't get sideswiped.

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 11:16 AM

Gee, blogbudsman ... Camille Paglia is an Obama supporter/contributor and a Democrat ... but can actually think for herself and admit the faults of the administration and the party? How very, very refreshing that is! Thanks for the link! Well, both links ... How many would be able to associate the comparison of admitted major problems in government-run Medicare with a future government-run health care plan ... and come up with ... we failed on the former but we'll succeed with the latter? Let's take from the financially-ailing Medicare program to be able to pass a new program ... Almost like president couldn't see that when speaking of the two ...Too funny.

You were on a roll this a.m. ... next link ... I wondered from the beginning what the unusual rush to pass the health care bill was, although being the skeptic I tend to be, suspected the main reason. Really frustrates me to find out after-the-fact that something has been passed with little or no public knowledge.

I'd forgotten about that, bebo ... 'Bush boo-ing' ... seems many have ...

Haven't checked the list lately, Hawker, but believe I did read that Emerson finally signed onto the agreement to accept the health care (giving up their fed. ins.) if it passed. Last I saw, no Dems were signed onto it, though. Not binding, but just kind of says something about the support pols have when it comes to 'us' vs 'them?'

Not sure of that, wrcactus ... saw just yesterday that Dems would not accept a proposal requiring proof of citizenship to qualify for possible health care plan ... That's sort of a back door way of perhaps allowing illegal enrollment, isn't it?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 11:34 AM

Posted by swampeastmissouri

I'm sick and tired watching the health insurance companies ripping the people off. Reform is needed is needed now, not next year or five years from now it is simple as that.

If it needs to happen ASAP then why will nothing in the bills being considered take affect until 2013? After the next presidential election. If that doesn't make you back up and rethink then nothing will. So is this another lie that I'm shoveling or is this the truth? Please enlighten us.

-- Posted by JustThink1 on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 12:28 PM

anyone ever been to Beale Street in Memphis ?

where's a good place to hear some good blues music and get a cold beer ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 4:14 PM

Government Plan,

I know I seem to say this a lot but...get your facts straight before you post! The Senate and House of Representatives health care plans are handled by one of those "evil" private insurance companies. The only way you could remotely claim it's a government run plan is that it's paid for with our tax dollars. They want no part of government run health care for themselves, they plan on keeping their current plan.

-- Posted by Data48 on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 4:34 PM


Beale Street used to be a great place to listen to good blues music and drink a cold beer but sadly it isn't any more. It's mostly chain outfits like Planet Hollywood and House Of Blues, which ironically has very little to do with blues, now.Want to hear some real deal down and dirty blues in a setting tailor made for it? Attend this festival!


-- Posted by Data48 on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 4:39 PM


If you're a blues fan I invite you to join one of the best forums on the internet, the Blindman's Blues Forum. Tell 'em Android sent ya!


-- Posted by Data48 on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 4:47 PM

thanks for the link Data48 ...maybe i'll get lucky and find me a mom~n~pop corner bar...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 4:48 PM

BTW, one of the great things about this forum is the no politics rule. Since people can't seem to stay civil discussing politics it is strictly verboten! They will lock a subject down in the blink of an eye if it turns into a political discussion!

-- Posted by Data48 on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 4:51 PM

Concerning the government plan for health care reform....why does Congress not include themselves in the new health care plan? When they become participants in the Plan then it will be more credible...they must know something that we don't know if they refuse to be part of it....

-- Posted by walela on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 5:37 PM

walela , i agree...for any health plan to work , it should be the same for everyone including politicians ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 5:52 PM

Agenda for City of Marble Hill Board of Aldermen Meeting ...

Property tax rates and rezoning topics to be discussed at the next Board of Aldermen meeting in Marble Hill...


-- Posted by mobushwhacker on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 6:18 PM


Thanks for posting the links! I always enjoy a good Camille Paglia column, and this one did not disappoint!

-- Posted by Lumpy on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 7:58 PM


May I use your "everyone must be buying suck" phrase? I think I may even write a song with that title because it demands to be shared with the world. Or the audience of the local college alternative radio station anyhow.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 8:06 PM

Pops is already asleep, James! It was a really wonderful evening!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 8:25 PM

Made a pot of mocha coffee, fed the dog and the cat ... Was just checking into SO & the forums because I'm addicted ...

Thanks for the dictionary lesson, Wheels! Intrigues me no end, the things people can pick up on and 'figure out meanings for' through the written word sometimes. ~laughing~

-- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 9:03 PM

Re: More taxes

Ah - indirect taxes via cap-n-trade

Here is what US Representative Roy Blunt (R-MO) said -

"If the cost of utilities skyrockets, Noranda Aluminum, Inc. of New Madrid, MO announced that they would leave the country--they already are talking to Mexican officials who don't seem to care about CO2 levels, Blunt said, pragmatically adding that driving out a company would increase CO2 levels anyway, internationally." from http://www.joplinindependent.com/display...

Eh, OK, that's only 800+ immediate jobs plus the numerous jobs that rely on servicing the plant with materials, parts, and externally-contracted labor gone, gone, gone from Southeast Missouri to 'somewhere else'. What other utility-intensive industries would follow suit?

Perhaps a bit of focus needs to be diverted from 'what could be' to 'what may no longer be'.

Re: Government run plan

Just have to wonder - if there is such large money to be made in the health insurance business - why aren't there more 'Southwest Airlines' types maximizing profits by balancing between price and quantity?

Geez - there for a while, seems like there was a plethora of cheap airlines offering transportation from Point A to Point B for cheap. If the money is there for cheap insurance - where are the 'Wal-Marts' of the insurance business?

Re: President Obama's message

A fine orator, no doubt. Just have suspicions and doubts about his credentials of 'been there, done that', or essentially - seeing a lot of style over substance from this perspective.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 9:38 PM

fxpwt ... Wasn't the 'cap & trade' idea brought up during Bush's administration? Why didn't it go anywhere then?

I think I understand what you might be saying ... If American companies take their factories, etc., to other countries ... I mean, it's not like America is in a big bubble dome where if WE do all this 'green' stuff ... we'll be okay and our environment will not be affected by other countries not cooperating?

Or do we always just assume that we know best and we can force all the other places in the world to follow whatever we dictate? Hmm ... seems we do have a sort of history of trying to do that ...

Have to rather admire a politician who thinks like this ... "Government should meet its current obligations before figuring out how to deal with other obligations." Our federal government needs to be drastically down-sized ... realistic plans made to pay off our debts ... and THEN consider what new programs we might be able to afford.

Or is the concept of paying debts before making more debt just a silly idea?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sat, Sep 12, 2009, at 12:43 AM

Gurusmom and others,

Just a thought process so bare/bear with me....

We cut back on Fed employees and private sector picks up the duty of those jobs eleminated if I understand the idea. Private sector historiclly hires fewer people to carry out jobs. So we say put 50,000 Fed workers in the unemployed section, private sector only hires 30,000. Does this not increase the umemployment rate that is used in calculating the stability of the economy? Or does the monies saved (taxes) by eleminating the government jobs help off set the monies spent for unemployement benifits that will be paid?

Is there more to the equation then just firing a group of people?

Again, just a thought process not a stance. Clarity is always welcome.

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Sep 12, 2009, at 6:27 AM

Gurusmom -

Cap-and-trade has been successful with other types of emission-reduction programs such as with sulfur dioxide (SOx - not to be confused with the Sarbanes-Oxley accounting rules terminology) that causes 'acid rain' and with the nitrogen oxides (NOx) that causes problems with the ozone.

With these types of emissions, the technology was available to strip these noxious nasties out of the flue stream. Carbon dioxide (CO2) isn't as easy to strip or filter out, the current technologies of promise haven't really been proven on a large scale, and it doesn't appear at this point that any technology will be cheap.

Even with the previous cap-and-trade success - it was nowhere near 'free'. Some power plants have invested almost as much money in these emissions reduction technologies for SOX and NOX in the last years as it cost to build their entire plant 30 years ago.

This is money spent which doesn't produce any more kilowatts, or improve reliability, or reduce costs through process efficiencies. Just money paid out only for the interests of cleaner air - which poses the question I've always asked - 'How much clean air do we really need?'. Still haven't found a good answer for that one, but still looking.

The SOX rush was on in the 90s, the NOX rush came along about 5-10 years after, now utilities are looking at the high costs of implementing a CO2 strategy in some form. I am concerned that this legislation would cause another upward push in power prices in the Midwest region, as utilities purchase these 'permits' to emit, as well as construct new power facilities to retire older facilities that just can't be made to cut the emissions mustard - a double-whammy that will trickle-down the end user in some form.

Power that used to wholesale on the spot market in the teens of dollars per megawatt 10-15 years ago now regularly goes for $25 - $40. Suggest in addition to the regular inflationary pressures, these prices are a result of the increased use of higher-cost natural gas for power generation as well as the costs of financing, operating, and maintaining the new emissions equipment. As said in a previous post, 'coal may not be our friend, but can we afford to make it our enemy?'.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Sep 12, 2009, at 7:45 AM

Rick --

It's been many moons since I was on Beale Street, but when I was there last, B.B. King had a place that was perfect for listening and dancing. If it's still there, go.

-- Posted by grisgris on Sat, Sep 12, 2009, at 10:58 AM

James probably stated it better than I could, Pups ... even mentioning the fact that probably in any 'public entity' (local all the way to federal) there will always be more employees than there is actual work. But employee salaries/benefits are the least, probably, of where our money goes.

I honestly believe that the reduction of government programs/departments (which perhaps means reducing the number of employees--or perhaps not, depending upon things like civil service rules, etc.) would indeed benefit the private sector in some areas ... quite possibly to the point where more jobs and opportunities are created.

And perhaps ... who knows ... the tax dollars saved might indeed balance out 'unemployement benefits' ... and quite possibly be an incentive for the private sector to grow ... I don't know. I just realize that over the last several decades, at least, we are paying for more and more government than most of us need or want ... It's been a few years since I looked up the amazingly lengthy list of federal departments ...

Anyway ... I have no idea what the trickle down of 'reducing government' might be, but have a feeling it could be beneficial to the private sector (the taxpayers) in the long run. Thinking perhaps fxpwt could exercise his analytical expertise and give us an answer!

Just my basic and simple way of thinking ... We all know to figure out what we have to 'spend' and basing our lifestyles upon that figure ... and that's what all our government, responsible to US, should be doing. I don't know anyone who can tell their employer that they must be paid in accordance to what they want to spend. Isn't that what governments do, though? If the government(s) wants responsibility from us, perhaps our leaders should start by setting a good example?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sat, Sep 12, 2009, at 12:31 PM

i would just like to say that on the pay it forward thing....yes that is an amazing thing and that person is an amazing person but these things should happen everyday! We all need to pay it forward...open the door for someone, walk with someone who has to walk alone, help someone with their homework....just do something. Something so small as to complamint someone on their outfit can be taken as a big deal!

-- Posted by ansley7456 on Fri, Sep 18, 2009, at 10:40 AM

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