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Speak Out 9/1/09

Tuesday, September 1, 2009

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THANK you to the nice police officer and the wonderful people who helped me pick up my lumber the other day from the streets of Cape Girardeau.

Which is it?

THERE is a vast theoretical distance between fascism (Nazism in Germany) and communism (Marxism). Thus, it is confusing to me when Rush Limbaugh compares President Obama to Adolf Hitler, a fascist, and his brother, David Limbaugh, writes about President Obama being a communist. It's not that the brothers Limbaugh need to agree on which political philosophy they think President Obama adheres to. It's just that the philosophical differences between fascism and communism are so great it leaves one with the impression that the brothers have a tremendous difference of opinion as to whether President Obama is a fascist or a communist. This can be very confusing to those who try to reconcile the beliefs of both brothers and yet are left wondering from one day to the next if President Obama is the reincarnation of Hitler or Hitler's onetime archenemy and communist totalitarian dictator, Josef Stalin. I happen to think President Obama is a believer in and practitioner of representative democracy and is working overtime to save democratic capitalism, as did FDR. However, I fully realize that the influence and opinion of a Speak Out comment pales in comparison to that of the powerful influence on American public opinion held by David and Rush Limbaugh, and it is for that reason that I hope they might get together and offer a consensus opinion as to whether or not our president is a Nazi or a communist, Adolf or Josef.

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Which is it? We have been taught since grade school that fascism and communism are opposites. We have been taught that national socialism is fascism.

But if you read the works of economic historians, national socialism is not that much different than communism. The difference, NAZI-ism is control of the means of production, communism is ownership of the means of production.

Fascism is a partnership between corporations and government, or as Mussolini called it, the corporate-state. Mussolini, a former communist, claimed that fascism is a step beyond communism. Because even he understood that communism was unworkable as did Engels later in life.

The US started out as Hamiltonian mercantilist in which banking and commercial investment were in partnership with government. With increasing amounts of business subsidies and competition limiting legislation, it begin to take the shape of fascism over the years. Lincoln received praise from Karl Marx for his work toward the corporate state, and F.D. Roosevelt was fascinated with Mussolini fascism.

Obama's policies are an extension of GW Bush's policies. Both, like FD Roosevelt appeared/appear to be doing everything they can to distort market fundamentals.

In my opinion the Limbaugh brothers are not all that wrong. But their support of former President GW Bush would make one believe that their opposition is mainly political.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 8:17 AM

The important thing to remember is that Rush Limbaugh, David Limbaugh and Fox's bad boys such as Beck and Hannity are not journalists, nor are they historians. They are for the most part entertainers who only succeed if they are able to arouse some sort of anger, or other high emotion in order to get you to keep watching. The more outrageous the claim, or the contemptible they come across, the better for business. Theirs that is! Remember, people do not pay money to go watch reasonable debates; they pay to go watch idiots bash each others brains out. Hence, modern talk radio.

-- Posted by wrcactus on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 8:56 AM

You forgot MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews. I'm sure it was just an oversight.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 9:15 AM

...and Bill Maher, Katie Couric, Bill Moyers...

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 9:58 AM

and Bill O'Reilly

-- Posted by xXAngelicEvilXx on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 10:05 AM

really now , who cares what the Limbaugh brothers think or say ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 10:06 AM

You are so right on the money James Nall. Bush and Obama are peas in a pod. In fact, Clinton and Bush the first were set up men for W and Obama.

I haven't heard Rush too much over the last several years but I have heard him a few times lately. He is absolutely correct in stating that Obama is trying to destroy this country. I believe that Rush does know what is going on, but he does stop short by not saying Bush was doing the same thing. To dig even deeper, Rush needs to be bold and say that W. and Obama both work for their New World Order masters. You can not have World Order with a strong U.S. so they have to destroy what made us a great nation.

It is such a shame that Rush with his national bull horn does not tell the whole story. He is aware that if he goes to far and says what he really knows to be fact, that the big boys will pull the plug on him too. Rush is useful to the power-brokers by still trying to make everything a left-right fight. Both parties of congress are just highly payed and spoiled slaves of the banker New World Order elite. They do what they are told.

Unfortunately, except for a few moments of brilliance when he does get close to the "whole" truth, Rush is saying what he is told to say too. If Rush would man up and tell the complete story of how we are being deceived by BOTH parties, this horrible charade and nightmare could be reversed.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 10:17 AM



-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 10:30 AM

The reason I don't believe conspiracy theories is that they place too much cooperative competence in the hands of human beings. I almost wish it were some semblance of world order. I more fear chaos and anarchy; and religious zealotry. I'm one of those 57% that feel we should vote them ALL out, and start from scratch.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 10:53 AM

This column has given the brothers limbaugh more coverage than they ever deserved. They produce nothing and like most critics are very fond of telling us all why the other guy is evil, underhanded, a communist, a fascist, a (gasp) liberal, or whatever pejorative they currently favor.

I, for one, prefer to read, watch, discuss and write about issues in terms of reality rather than partisan speculation calculated to demonize the other side.

Disagreement among a thinking, voting populace is not a bad thing. The kind of debate we need should produce fertile ground for all ideas to be expressed. You don't like my politics? Tell me your opinions. I will listen. But don't fall prey to the trap of merely gainsaying what the other guy says. I prefer to hear what you are for . . .not what you are against.

Maybe that is the problem with the talking heads . . .they aren't for anything.

-- Posted by one4kids on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 11:31 AM

I would like them all voted out too Blog. Even the better ones. That is the only way to send a message. Reset, and start over.

I believe that the New World Order elite INTEND to cause chaos.This is nothing new. Governments throughout history have always done this.

The Hegelian Dialectic explains this diabolical conspiratorial practice. Hegel said governing bodies use this dialectic..Thesis-Antithesis-and Synthesis. Which also can be described as Problem-Reaction- Solution or (order out of chaos ). http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dia...

The government creates the PROBLEM ( war, famine, pandemic, poverty, terror, etc.) REACTION ( the people panic, blame every one else, and beg the government to save them. ) Then the government steps in with the SOLUTION ( reduction of freedom, higher taxes, and always keeping the fear factor up that those terrible things will happen again if the people don't do what they say)

This always works, because the people have been conditioned through propaganda that conspiracies are too hard to pull off ( They are not hard to pull off when using compartmentalization and sociopaths to head the compartments.) We must break this conditioning are we are doomed to a continuing future of slavery for ourselves and our posterity .

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 12:08 PM

InfoWarrior: I have another conspiracy theory, and I'm sure that many small to medium size bankers share it. I'll let it go at that.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 2:19 PM

Journalists? Dan Rather destroyed that notion. The Brothers Limbaugh to the best of my knowledge have never claimed to be journalists but rather "commentators" as are all those who post responses on this website.

Stop the ridiculous and senseless name calling and posturing. Check your premsises.

Realize that Candide got it wrong; this is NOT the best of all possible worlds.

-- Posted by voyager on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 3:25 PM

one4kids ... "... prefer to read, watch, discuss and write about issues in terms of reality rather than partisan speculation calculated to demonize the other side." Thanks ... you're not alone, although sometimes it may seem so.

Pretty much correct, Info ... to gain the people's support, the politicians must appeal to their basic sense of greed, fear, paranoia, etc. The people must, in whatever way possible, be convinced that government is their only hope, their only savior ... regardless of the cost in money or freedoms.

Many seniors have realized, in looking back over the decades of their lives, how this has worked out, slowly but successfully, for the government but not necessarily for its people. As Americans' 'needs' grow, their freedoms diminish while the government's power grows?

In being taught from our earliest years to put our trust and faith in our government, we have overlooked the fact that 'government' is made up of politicians, whose main objectives are generally power and money ... and of course winning the next election in order to retain the former.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 3:30 PM

The Cape County Health Dept. only ordered 100 doses of H1N1 flu vaccine. That should be enough to cover the employees. What about the rest of us? Especially the pregnant women.

-- Posted by howdydoody on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 5:47 PM

Take Vitamin D and don't pick your nose.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 6:51 PM

isn't H1N1 also known as the swine flu ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 9:00 PM

"The Brothers Limbaugh to the best of my knowledge have never claimed to be journalist"

No, but one was a drug addict. Did he ever claim that? Funny how throwing rocks in that glass house came back to bite him in that big fat bubble he calls a butt. Oh wait, that's his head.

-- Posted by Grandpa_Sassy on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 9:41 PM

Parsnips and Mel disappear??

-- Posted by Grandpa_Sassy on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 9:45 PM

Grandpa, Do you know for a fact certain that Rush still takes drugs? If he still does, you could consider him a drug addict. If he does not, he is no longer addicted and you have no right to imply he is a drug addict. Does your accusation against him make you feel morally superior?

-- Posted by voyager on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 10:41 PM

The Cape County Health Dept. only ordered 100 doses of H1N1 flu vaccine. That should be enough to cover the employees. What about the rest of us? Especially the pregnant women.

-- Posted by howdydoody on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 5:47 PM

That is the way it will be if BO gets his way. Government employees get fist crack. Get use to waiting,.

-- Posted by Wiff on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 10:48 PM


"No, but one was a drug addict. Did he ever claim that?"

I'm not sure where your head is at, but I'm definately sure it's not in the sand now.

What part of WAS and DID sounds like present tense?

-- Posted by Grandpa_Sassy on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, at 11:36 PM

Parents ,Taxpayers and Lovers of this great country. We can change the plans of the White House on September 8,2009 !

Wake up look at what is planned for Sept 8,2009 for YOUR children!!!

The ideal of government using schools to force students k-8 to bond with the maximum leader might seem appropriate for Cuba or north Korea it is clearly out of place in a constitutional republic and this is what is planned for your children on Sept 8Th. I say keep your children home on the 8Th and send a message to all whom think it is OK to tell you children things you may not agree with. You bestow your values in your children don't let the government bestow theirs.

If your school plans on participating in this socialistic event, send your kids to grandma or take a sick day stay home with them. Take a day at the park to send a message they will hear loud and clear. YOU WILL KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OUR KIDS !!!

-- Posted by monk on Wed, Sep 2, 2009, at 8:03 PM

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