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Speak Out 8/6/09

Thursday, August 6, 2009

Bad idea

"CASH for clunkers" is the perfect example of what our government should not do. People who are working low-paying jobs are most likely unable to pay for a new auto even with a $3,500 subsidy. And the removal of up to 285,714 autos will in all likelihood increase the price of older automobiles.

Saving energy?

DOES anybody have any memory of the reason given for the establishment of the Department of Energy during the Carter administration? We've spent several hundred billion dollars in support of an agency the reason for which not one person who reads this can remember. It was simple, and at the time everybody thought it appropriate. The Department of Energy was instituted Aug. 4, 1977, to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. Now the budget for this department is $24.2 billion a year and has 16,000 federal employees and 100,000 contract employees. And look at the job it has done. Now Democrats want us to turn the banking system, health care and the auto industry over to them? Beam me up, Scottie.

Jackson bill

CITY of Jackson, I love this town, but our city bill for this month was $288. That is awful. We feel we have to move to the county to have a cheaper utility bill. Please help.

Unreliable info

MUCH of what is on the Internet is garbage. Anyone can create a webpage and post anything. The most reliable internet sites end in .edu, .org and .gov. I make my living fact-checking for a large business, and the vast majority of information on .com sites is easily disproven. By the way, my uncle and aunt live in Canada, and their Canadian friends pay much higher taxes than we do. Many of them also come to American to have major medical work done. So do thousands of other people who live in countries with a national health-care system. Where will we go if the Democrats get their hands on our health-care system?

Keep the jobs

IF the city goes automated in collecting recyclables, four people will be without jobs. I wonder if, in this time, we need to eliminate jobs. Maybe the best thing to do at this time is to keep things as is. I am an avid recycler, and I think our city does a great job at my curb.

Good program

APPARENTLY being willing to sacrifice their chances of re-election on a cross of ideology, some members of Congress voted against and will again vote against an extension of what may be the greatest government program in recorded history: "cash for clunkers."

Local fluff

ON a day when Joe Sullivan and a blogger took the media to task for publishing fluff, the front page of the Southeast Missourian was dominated by a story about sky diving and a miniature train in Chaffee.

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Bad idea...I'd like to think the 'lenders' paid a little more attention to credit scores.

Saving energy?..yikes 1977 and we still have this problem!! You have to admit, that does speak volumes for the 'less government' advocates.

Jackson bill...it's summer, what do you expect? I for one, appreciate Jackson utilities & the employees. Our power always comes back on in a timely manner. I love that. ☻

Unreliable info....it's the information highway, not FACTUAL highway. sheesh.

Keep the jobs...I say do without it period. Make them take their recycables to the center like we do. Just think of how much money the city would save. :o)~

GREATEST GOVERNMENT PROGRAM in recorded history, "cash for clunkers."...now that person got a hell of a deal. ☻

Local fluff...hey now, I thought that train in Chaffee was really freakin' neat. Don't be doggin' it.

Hope everyone has a 'peachy' day. ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 12:21 AM

Hmmm ... Can't decide if I'm glad I missed last night's comments ... or not. Y'all were on a high, it looked like!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 3:49 AM

Bad idea -- and you were expecting. . . what?

Saving energy -- any idea what 'industry' has been hiring at a rapid pace the last few months? That 'industry' has been thriving, plenty of jobs, plenty of benefits, job security, good hours, great pension.. Yup, the Federal Gov'ment. Imagine that! Now's the time to get your application in to the Department of Who Get's Medical Treatment.

Jackson bill -- well it may be cheaper in the country, when it's on. Be sure to get a good generator.

Unreliable info -- true enough. But not a new thing. Remember "...don't believe everything you read." But like you said, easily disproven -- or verified. The scariest group are the TV folks and the dumb masses that believe every word they're told. Listen to what people say and try to help them understand how things connect. There's a void of leadership in our neighborhoods and they actually appreciate well placed, thoughtful discussion.

Keep the jobs -- understandable sentiment, but hardly the way to run a city. If it's the best thing to do, it should be done.

Good program -- yup, giving tax money away for no particular long range benefit is what lawmakers do best. The fact that people think this is a good program says it all.

Local fluff -- depressing bad news is available 24/7 everywhere you turn. Heck, the weather folks can't just report the temperature, they have to tell you how much worse it 'feels'. Some good, lighthearted, positive local news is refreshing. I liked both stories. Thank you seMo.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 6:20 AM

Saving energy? ....i remember when Jimmy Carter started the Dept. of Energy and thinking what a good idea it was..now it's 30 years later and nothing has changed except all of the tax money going down the toilet...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 8:00 AM

Bad idea

Every additional penny spent by this out of control government is another nail in the coffin of our Economy and standard of living. Wake up people

Saving energy?

Have you noticed the SAV NRGY signs? What's next? OBEY

Jackson bill

Plus, OFFICE OF THE COLLECTOR, is quite Orwellian.

Unreliable info

Yeah, moveon.org has great information -- not.

Keep the jobs

Yeah, more government jobs will pull us out of this looming economic collapse. Let's hire 16,000 more and 100,000 more at the DOE

Good program

I repeat... ...every additional penny spent by this out of control government is another nail in the coffin of our Economy and standard of living. Wake up people

Local fluff

Irony defined.

-- Posted by bebo on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 8:03 AM

When the Dept of Energy was created by Jimmy Carter, the U.S. imported 14% of it's oil. Jimmy said that was way too much, hence the creation of the Dept. of Energy to lessen our dependence. We now import what? over 50%? Yes, our tax dollars at work.

Want another one? Dept. of Education created by, I believe Reagan. Don't know the facts, but I'm willing to bet that graduation rates and testing scores were higher before the creation of Dept. of Ed. than they are now. 100's of billions more of our tax dollars down the drain.

DEA created by Nixon? Why? Aren't the FBI, Border Patrol, U.S. Marshalls Service charged with drug enforcement? Just another duplicitous and useless program to flush our tax dollars down the toilet.

Here's an idea. Sh**can these useless Departments. The cost savings will more than pay for healthcare.

But then why spend tax dollars wisely when we can just "soak the rich" for more who will then turn around and pass that increase on to the middle class by lowering wages and increasing prices on the products and services that they sell through the businesses and corporations that they own and run?

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 8:03 AM

Lets see what has the government mandated lately:

Low water consumption toilets that need to be flushed twice or thrice to get rid of the stuff, CFL light bulbs that contain mercury at the same time we are being ordered to bring all of our mercury containing stuff to turn in and be safely disposed of, digital television that has pictures which "lock up" for hours at a time or pixillate into grotesque alien beings, and I could go on an on. Ever see a tire swing designed by the government?

-- Posted by Observer1 on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 8:12 AM

I am asking everyone to take a moment and follow this link and tell me your thoughts:


-- Posted by Skeptic1 on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 8:16 AM

frazzled63701 ,

this sounds like a scam with a capital S...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 8:35 AM

Me'Lange ....

web site http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?...

gave me a headache....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 9:19 AM

Turnip....did you ever figure out what that UFO was last nite in the eastern sky ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 9:21 AM

mmmm if .coms are not reliable, then this newspaper, CNN.com, Foxnews.com, ESPN.com, and many many others are not reliable. Interesting idea to say the least.

And, sorry, but I refuse to fall into the "everyone is out to lie to me" mentality when it comes to news/info. Read a variety of views and form your own opinion. Don't use just one source of information and you will be better off.

Heck, I even change my opinion based on opinions in here sometimes. :)

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 9:41 AM


Make it easy for everyone. Just call it the largest tax increase ever on the working man. That is what it is. He will be the one hurt on this. Didn't BO say no tax increases on anyone under 250K?

-- Posted by Wiff on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 10:14 AM

frazzled6371. You did a great public service by posting the Campaign for Liberty link concerning the health care "reform" bill.

Excluding Me'Lange and relatively few other people in the country who have read and understood the 1000 plus page bill in its current form, most of us can not decipher the bureaucratic legalese used and must rely on others who can.

I belong to a Ron Paul meet-up group here in Austin which includes a couple of lawyers, doctors,insurance brokers, and one Baylor University law professor. They have read much of the bill and came to many of the same conclusions as the blog on Campaign for Liberty.

Rep. Ron Paul is a champion for liberty and an OB/GYN who has delivered over 4,000 babies. I choose to believe what he says about this monstrous legislation. I'm not a fan of FOX News but I am a fan of Judge Napolitano. Here is an interview with Ron Paul plus some of the Judge's words of wisdom. http://www.campaignforliberty.com/

Thanks again frazzled.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 10:21 AM


Thanks for posting that link. "Fu" is one of my contacts, and is always a wealth of reasonable information.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 10:29 AM

Rick, it was the moon, remember?? ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 10:33 AM

.org's mean nothing anymore. Anyone can get a .org, just visit GoDaddy and look at how easy it is to register one.

-- Posted by SEMissouri70 on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 10:33 AM

kcir - taht OFU thgim evah neeb megalomania.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 10:36 AM

I'd believe it, budsman. ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 10:46 AM

Very creative blogbudsman... took me a second, but I finally got it. ;)

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 10:46 AM

I did not!

-- Posted by Ainamolagem on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 11:28 AM

Turnip ....

do u believe in UFO's and creatures from outer space?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 11:44 AM

Wheels: Well said. However, I believe that applies to responses on this forum as well.

-- Posted by howdydoody on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 12:04 PM

Rick, I don't think so. I have to see to believe and well...I haven't seen so I don't believe. ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 1:17 PM

OK, I have a gripe. Cyclists. I was driving in Cape on Independence. There were 4 bicyclists. They were over as far right as they could be, which is fine. As I approached the 'leader' decided to stick his arm staight out, indicating he was gonna turn left...mind you the turn lane he was referencing was RIGHT THERE so he just swerves over and turns, of course they all follow. I had to slam on my brakes to keep from hitting them. That is just nuts. Stay off the freakin' road if you can't ride with some **** sense.

-- Posted by Turnip on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 1:23 PM

You won that bet about our education, DTower ... And your idea of eliminating redundant, unnecessary, out-dated government departments just makes too much sense ... once our government institutes something, it's pretty much here forever ... well, with some expensive tweaking every few years.

Observer ... took all our CFL bulbs out a month or so ago ... our low-grade, continual headaches vanished within less than a week. Might be coincidence that 3 of us have been miraculously cured, but ... New non-mercury bulbs coming on the market soon ... at $50 apiece! But lifetime expectancy of 25 years--keep the warranty, huh! ~laughing~

frazzled ... Would you start a forum thread for that? Going to take a while to go into the 'plan' and compare what it says to the translations in your link.

Hey, Turnip ... Did you ever determine that you never wanted to be an attorney, a doctor/nurse, an accountant, a teacher, a nutritionist ... then realized that being a wife and mother includes all those careers? Don't know why I just wondered that ... ~laughing~

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 1:36 PM

InfoWarrior- did you hear the news yesterday that Ron's son announced he is going to run for KY senator?

gurusmom- haven't figured out yet how to do that forum thread- will investigate.

MeLange- I posted that web address because it breaks down everything to where the common person understands and gives the coordinating page number, so that if someone wants to look through the 1400 pages they can simply look at the page number and see for themselves what it states.

Regardless of where anyone stands (Dem or Rep or Ind) you can read the details of the healthcare overhaul without realizing someone is going to get screwed.

-- Posted by Skeptic1 on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 1:48 PM

Rick, I don't think so. I have to see to believe and well...I haven't seen so I don't believe. ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 1:17 PM

Turnip , how's this for a list of outer space aliens :

Dennis Rodman , Prince , Chelsie Lately , Madonna , Al Gore , PeeWee Herman , etc....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 1:48 PM

oh , and megalomania too....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 1:51 PM

ahh, Rick...u reminded of the Men in Black. I love those movies. ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 2:52 PM

Frazzled, Thanks for posting the link to this site. http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.p...

I am very concerned about what is going on in our country, right now.

Nanci Pelosi and the ELITE MEDIA, won't even acknowledge that we are real people, who are attending the town hall meetings and tea parties. They insult us and dishonor us, by calling us Nazis and brown shirts. Members of both parties are upset over the way the people are being treated.... and now, Obama has asked his union thugs, to attend these events, to "counter," any disapproval, we voice, to our representatives. It doesn't matter though, because our voice will be heard as one, at the polls, in 2010.

They are afraid of the American people!

-- Posted by Mrsip on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 2:57 PM

This guy is a nutty as his old man...


Lucky Kentucky! Go Rand Go!

-- Posted by Lumpy on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 3:41 PM


Thanks for the laugh! Do you think people outside of Southeast Missouri who stumble on this forum might think the same of us???


-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 4:36 PM

Who in their right mind would want people backing abortion to be in charge of their health care? I think not.

-- Posted by SpankTheTank on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 5:09 PM


What did you make during crafts time today? We know how much you look forward to arts and crafts circle on Thursday afternoons down at the clinic. Nurse Ratched says that you have had such a good week that you may get to pull numbers during bingo tomorrow. THAT'S EXCITING!

We are all so proud of you!

-- Posted by Lumpy on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 6:18 PM

moonpie- I say let's all wear our brown shirts, then we can blend in with the BS they are feeding us!

-- Posted by Skeptic1 on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 6:31 PM


Hubby and I went to Cape the other day and had an experience with the bike riders I swear one of these days I am going to quit locking up the brakes to stop and hit them then plead temporary insanity and let the jury see one day of my life and they will believe it......mother in law alone is enough to get that plea.


Wife and mother simple title but not so simple life. you get to be a doctor, lawyer, nurse, teacher, referee, coach, chauffer, cook, maid, artist, interior designer, designer, psychologist and a lot more. no wonder we are always tired lol.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 6:58 PM

Now Lumpy...

I was being cordial. I guess that was to much to ask in return (sigh). You have a good evening!

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 7:10 PM


I am having a FINE evening!


-- Posted by Lumpy on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 7:20 PM

..don't forget wife/mother are also sex machines..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 8:06 PM

Gals, we shouldn't leave the men out....surely they multi-task?? I'll start the list: mechanic, playmate (for the kids), "job"...that's all I got. ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 8:13 PM


I can give mine plumber, construction worker and garbage man as well (I hate trash detail) oh and exterminator when see the mice or spiders he is right there to get rid of them.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, at 9:06 PM

Well, let's see ... Yep, Pops is the newscaster around here nowadays ... Just in case I miss anything in the on-line newspapers, he keeps me right up-to-date on the TV news.

Unfortunately, his days of being plumber, handyman, deck-builder, gardner, mechanic are pretty much over. Now ... I think it's time he upgrades MY position as apprentice to all those things, don't you? ~laughing~

He does make a good Straight Man for my jokes, though ... as well as a great companion ...

-- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Aug 7, 2009, at 12:42 AM

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