8 employees at Cape Girardeau restaurant charged with having fake Social Security cards

Go figure. Doesn't exactly take Dick Tracy to figure that one out. Until employers start going to jail for knowingly hiring illegals, honest taxpayers like myself will keep having to foot the bill w/ paying higher taxes. Can you imagine what good shape Social Security would be in if these lying, thieving employers were actually paying their Social Security payroll taxes on millions of illegals, instead of hiring illegals in order to dodge minimum wage and Soc. Sec. tax laws?

I agree but must add SPEAK ENGLISH this is America not Mexico! If you can't then go back to Mexico!

Needs to be more of these types of raids at the mexican food places majoirty of them are illegal. Cape on the west side is beginning to look like little mexico. It would help if ICE would get down here and help our local law enforcement with this illegal immigrant problem we have in Cape and the boot heel. Employers work these people far below the minimum wage and the employers need to be prosecuted as well that hire these people.

foxyleo: Most unemployed Americans will not take a restaurant job. Most Americans are unemployed because they CHOOSE to be. There are many entry level johs at fast food places, comvenience stores, Wal Mart---but Americans are too proud to do them. They want the $15/hr job with a 401K and company paid health insurance and two weeks paid vacation and no weekends before they will get off the couch and go apply.

Those young Hispanic men and women were WORKING to support their families. These young men and women no doubt were paying taxes and spending money in the local economy. They were contributing not taking from and draining the public coffers.

I have a novel idea----let's swap the "illegal" aliens who WANT to work for the people in public housing who draw food stamps and welfare payments. Hell, I'll give Mexico 3 for 1.

I'm not condoning illegal immigration BUT seriously HOW long has that restaurant been open? Several years?

I, for one, LOVE Mexican food and do not want to be left with just Taco Johns and Taco Bell as my only options.

What took so long to figure out we have many illegals working in Cape? Send them back to wherever they came from. They may want to work but I suggest they go back home and work on making their own Country a better place to live.

Don't stop here Cape police dept. continue this effort instead of looking for more revenue. I am sure there are several H.S. and College kids needing work even if its at minimum wage plus tips.

CGPD can't arrest simply for immigration issues. Some larger departments have that authroity, but not Cape. If they arrest an illegal in connection with another crime, they call ICE and ask if the person can be detained for the Feds over the immigration issue.

bebo & frazzled63701: So you want government to limit the competition so that lazy and unmotivated Americans will get off the couch and go apply for a job?

Your argument is that if there were no illegal aliens that employers would be required to offer $15/hr job with a 401K and company paid health insurance and two weeks paid vacation and no weekends in order to get employees to work.

I would argue we could make $15/hr job with a 401K and company paid health insurance and two weeks paid vacation and no weekends

MINIMUM wage and compensation and these people who are unemployed will STILL find a reason to be unemployed----ie, $15/hr isnt enough, I want family coverage too, or four weeks paid vacation.

Last time I check the OWNERS of the companies were the ones making the investment; therefore THEY should set the conditions of employment.

What really needs to happen in this country is for the business owners need to just shut everything down for a week----ala "Atlas Shrugged" and let government see how vital they are to our nation's survival and how government needs to stay the hell out of the way and let them bring goods and services to the American people in a low cost, efficient manner.

I'll say it again, let's swap the "illegal" aliens who WANT to work for the people in public housing who draw food stamps and welfare payments. Hell, I'll give Mexico 3 for 1.

Remember, you dont get to pick your parents nor do you get to pick your country; therefore, in a free world people SHOULD be allowed to immigrate to better themselves and the lives of their families.

snugglebunny, what kind of follow up you need on the guy who shot the Ameren workers?

You want a front page headline informing you that the shooter is still dead?

howdydoody: Life experience. I have held a job every day of my life since I graduated from college. I tossed pizzas with a Masters degree to provide for me and mine.

I have never been without a job because I have put my faith not in unions and my politicians, but in God and my own work ethic.

There may come a time when I am unable to find a job but that will probably be because the United States of America as we know it will cease to exist.

As far as speaking English goes, MOST Europeans and Hispanics are fluent in more than one language.

Are we so narrow minded that we think that OURS is the only language? When God confounded the languages at the Tower of Babel did He ordain English as the "Language of the World?" I think not.

"Four of the eight charged have also been charged with identity theft for using Social Security numbers belonging to people from Arizona, Illinois, Tennessee and Wisconsin."

THEY WERE USING SOMEONE ELSE'S SS #'S! Don't blame the owner until you know the ALL the facts. Innocent until PROVEN guilty don'tchya know!

As for speaking......

If I went to Mexico, I would expect to speak Mexican, if I went to Germany I would expect to speak German, China-Chinese, etc.

Of course you do have some screwy countries like Canada-French/English, South Africa-English...

howdydoody: People who WANT to work in this country have no trouble finding work.

Concerning your sister...do you condemn her actions?

howdydoody: I DID read it. I couldn't figure out if you were bragging or complaining. The last line seemed to imply a bit of pride in her hustle.

Not condoning does not mean condemning. Worse yet, silent resignation only teaches her that what she is doing is acceptable and right.

wisdomseeker- you say that these illegal Mexicans work hard to support their families... yes but not in the USA. 98 BILLION US DOLLARS is transferred to their families back home in Mexico through Western Union every year. That is 98 BILLIOB USA DOLLARs taken from the US and given to Mexico's economy. And you don't see the harm in that? How dare you assume Americans are too lazy to take the job! How blind you are. Most students work their way through school being a waitress or cook. My son-in-law is working hard at 2 jobs doing just that. The deadbeats in society will always be deadbeats no matter what, but just because someone is unemployed doesn't mean they are a deadbeat. HOW DARE YOU! My husband has 2 degrees and yet 3 years ago he found himself unemployed due to the factory he co-owned couldn't compete with MEXICO. He looked for work for 3 months straight and was told he was over-qualified everytime. He then took a $8 per hour job to make ends meet until he found something better. I have several relatives wo work 2 jobs to make ends meet and being a waitress or cook is a great part-time job.

You won't see that Mexican restaurant close because they lost these workers, on the contrary people are lined up to get those jobs.

It would be a lot better if the Mexicans had a way of coming into this country easily, legally, and cheaply. It's not right that they can work alongside us and not contribute to the income taxes and social security taxes. One of the reasons they work cheaper is because they don't pay into those programs. However, they are, almost without exception, very willing workers who will try, with courtesy, (they are a VERY courteous people) to tackle any task assigned to them. I have had a lot of Mexicans work under my supervision over the years (it was not my job to sort out whether or not they were legal) and I found the majority of them to be concientious and energetic workers. The great thing was that they were so reliable and almost never called in sick!!

I say get rid of all welfare & eliminate Soc Sec withholdings and half of the problems y'all have been bickering about have been solved.

I don't agree with everything wisdomseeker has said, but over all I agree with his premise: at least the Mexicans want to work and aren't suckin' off the guv'ment teet like howdy's able bodied US born sister.

What about the Chinese restaurants in town?? Bet they didn't raid those... Heaven forbid they would do that.....

Now after reading all the comments:

WisdomSeeker, I agree with everything you've said.

Yes, they are taking our jobs, but look at ow many Americans won't take a minimum wage job? They want more. The previous job they had they made double the minimum wage. Now the company laid them off, moved overseas, etc and now these people want to find another job making the same amount. That just doesn't happen these days. You're very lucky to take what you get. If those people pass up any job because they want they perfect one, then they are stupid. The economy sucks and right now a job is a job. This is why the Mexican has a job.

We moved here from the east coast where I had an excellent job working as a government contractor. My husband wanted to be closer to his family. I tried to find a job after moving here. But because of my past job history, even the $6.50 job employers wouldn't call me. I guess they thought I wouldn't take it. I've sent out so many resumes to every job in the paper. Nothing. I worked a temp job for awhile, but when gas went up to $4 a gal, I couldn't afford to drive that far. It was taking half of my paycheck and wasn't worth it. I finally got a job at Walmart. I didn't want a retail job, but the pay isn't too bad and it pays the bills.

A job is a job as long as it pays the bills. Yeah, I would like to find a better paying job, but I either have to go back to school or move back to the east coast. Right now I will be happy I have a job.

As far as the Mexicans having obtained somebody else's social security cards, yeah, send them back. But the ones who are living here with the correct paperwork, let 'em work.

And if somebody wants to argue with me about my opinion, stop and think a minute. Think about how many people you know who don't have a job, living off the government (which we are paying for), live in public housing and got it made better than us? I know quite a few. It's wrong and not fair. I know one particular person, who gets government disability because he's "bi-polar" and has a maid so his Mom doesn't have to clean up after him. Yes, (we) the government is paying for this. Ain't that screwed up??

I agree with the fact that there are some people who milk the system and refuse to get a job because they are getting cared for by the taxpayers. I see it everyday in the grocery store people rolling up and eating better than my family aven though I work 60 hours a weeks. these immigrants work hard and they need to make it easier for them to get in the country if they are willing to work the jobs some people will not do, but we need to keep the money here not Mexico. Also they should be able to speak English, that is our nations language and it should be used. You can't go to France and expect them to adjust to you, they should learn our language and customs as well as keep their own sacred. I am so tired of having to hit 1 to continue in English, that should be assumed and not have to be asked.

And don't give me the BS about them taking jobs away from the Americans... that's a joke... Americans don't want to work.. not when it's too easy to live off of welfare!!

Wisdomseeker...

I believe you are living in the wrong state....you need to be living in California. Then you would see what ideas like yours can actually do to a state. I would like to see how long you would hold on to those ideas once you are neck deep in illegals and experience first hand what having them in your country illegally does to the economy, the schools, the hospitals, the neighborhoods, the crime rate, etc. The very last thing Cape needs is a bleeding heart like Wisdomseeker when it comes to illegals...unless you want your city to look like a slum.

Don't fool yourself into thinking these employers don't know these people are here illegally and that their papers are phony...they do, they look the other way. The employers should be fined for each illegal and or jailed.

Why would you continue to eat at a restaurant who hires illegals? If they break that law, what other laws are they breaking? Do they follow the health code rules or do they break those also?

Using the "lazy American" excuse for why illegals are in this country and in Cape is lame. Illegals are here because it is easier than staying in Mexico and taking a stand against corruption and fighting for a better life there. Do you think the money these illegals are earning in Cape is staying in Cape and being spent there? Think again....it is going back into Mexico to support the family that is still there. Those American dollars are being used in Mexico and as long as that is the case, Mexico is happy. By hiring illegals we are supporting Mexico's corruption.

Wake up Cape Girardeau before it's too late and this city becomes known as Baja Cape.

frazzled63701: You are incorrect. Most college students do NOT work their way through college. 75% of incoming college students are there on SOMEONE ELSE'S money in the way of student loans and grants.

What is wrong with supporting your family regardless of what country they live in? The United States can only benefit if Mexico's standard of living improves.

I do not buy the overqualified argument. If a person is out every day for three months filling out applications and making contacts and cannot find a job, then I suspect it has NOTHING to do with being overqualified. Usually when people say they have been looking for a job for three months they MEAN looking just enough to make contacts required to draw unemployment.

If I had to lie on paperwork in another country in order to provide for my family---and by provide I mean necessities I would do it with no hestitation.

Besides, the FAIR TAX would solve all tax issues associated with illegal immigration.

Wildnsyko: FINALLY a voice of reason!

gurusmom: Another voice of reason!

nolanjared: Most Hispanics in this country CAN speak English, they choose not to when communicating with other Hispanics. If you were in France with your family I doubt you would talk to your family in French.

mammidam: Thank you for helping make my point.

LiveAnotherDay: Whats worse what you described or a electrician standing around with their thumb up their butt for a half hour waiting for a laborer to come and move a pallet of sheet rock because their "contract" expressly forbids doing that type of work?

Bickiestew: First of all, I am not a bleeding heart liberal---I am a libertarian--BIG DIFFERENCE. A bleeding heart liberal would support programs like food stamps, WIC, public housing, etc. If it were possible I would do away with all of those programs tomorrow.

I would direct you to my 7:30 AM post for your other comments.

As far as speaking English goes, MOST Europeans and Hispanics are fluent in more than one language.

Are we so narrow minded that we think that OURS is the only language? When God confounded the languages at the Tower of Babel did He ordain English as the "Language of the World?" I think not.

-- Posted by WisdomSeeker on Sat, Jun 27, 2009, at 7:38 AM

WisdomSeeker--Of course you are correct that English is not the only language in the world. However, we live in the United States where English is the primary language. If people are coming to visit and can't speak English that's fine. If people are coming to live here, then they need to speak our language. Period.

You people complain about us taking your jobs and it's just not true in most cases. Yes, there are some jobs that illegals take but let me tell you, we PAY for that in ways that you can't imagine. Our women are often exploited sexually by the AMERICAN employers, we are paid less than what is lawfully required and we are looked up with scorn. Yet, we deal with it and accept it as "the way it is" in America because we can still make more money here than in Mexico. We use that money to feed your economy and we send some back home to our families. You would do the same if it meant a better life for your children. I don't agree with using a ssn belonging to someone else but you do what you have to do. You people need to wake up because there are a lot of us around here and our numbers are only going to grow. I'm speaking of Hispanics, not illegals. You like our food, our blankets, our music, etc. and you have the gall to complain about illegals working at Casa? You people knew all along that there were illegals working there and many of you still went. So, who is the enabler here? The employer or the patrons or both?

Pendejo,

You certainly aren't doing yourself our your countrymen any good with your posts and especially your avatar.

Would be curious as to how welcome "illegals" are in Mexico; oh wait already know.

En Estados Unidos cuando hablan Inglés ya que es nuestro idioma. Cuando vamos a Mexico hablamos español, pues es la lengua de la tierra all'. Si no le gusta la forma en que los estadounidenses quieren hacer uso de la palabra por favor siéntase libre para volver a la tierra de donde viene y entonces quedarse all'.

This is for you and your hispanic brothers and sisters out there wisdomseeker.

If the Alamo had a back door, Texas would be part of Mexico.

Nil,

The research I have done does not support your facts.

LOL!!!! THIS IS HILARIOUS!!! THOUGH I AGREE, HOW ARE THESE COMMENTS ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES MADE ABOUT THE PURSE SNATCHER???

BTW not all illegall immigrants do not pay federal income taxes i know families that do pay them and have gotten money back for doing so! get your research right!!!!!! and hang out more with hispanics maybe they will teach you a way to earn your living in a hard working way not just sitting in your living room watching t.v while all the tax payers(illegal aliens and u.s citizens) pay for your food!!!

"They don't understand how hard it is to work 40 hours a week and getting paid only $250 or $300 dollars a week. What american will work for that??? they don't want to lower themselves and work hard to get somewhere all those poor people they took are being held at a cold cell for only wanting to work and live a decent life."

ptbm22,

I suggest that most Americans do make only $250-$300 per week. The per capita income in Cape Girardeau is only $21,850. If you think each person in Cape is working jobs making $40,000 each, you're kidding yourself.

If we'd look at the USA in entirety, I would suggest that "per capita" would be much less.

There are several things to consider here.

One this country was founded on IMIGRANTS coming from other countries. To stop it is to deny your own heritage.

Second, most of the mexicans can speak very fluent english however they do not always do it. Go into the chinese restaraunt, the nail salons etc and you see those people aso speaking in their native language but they can converse with you.

Third while you condemn these people remember many of them come from large families and their family is poor. Would you do what you had to to support your family or would you do nothing and live in sub standard conditions forever?

No they should have came here legally, gota Visa and applied for a green card but they didn't and they need to go back and do it the right way but the ones that are here legally should not be compared to those who arent.

We have a business and we have had mexicans work for us and you know what they out worked any of the employees we had. They didn't sit and whine because it was to hot, they didn't take a break every hour and their work was just as good.

Also minimum wage for a waiter/waitress is $3.25 an hour so that is fa from $300 a week, they survive on tips. There are to many Americans that would rather take the easy road and live off the government to work for those wages.

ptbm22 - I live in a less than perfect area of Cape down by the River Campus. Any evening of the week, especially on Friday and Saturday night I can see people dealing drugs on the street or turning tricks. What I don't see is the police patrolling this area. I guess it's easier to stop by a restaurant in the middle of the day and make up arrest numbers, than deal with endemic city issues. I am surprised the police didn't stop and eat first.

Oh, and another thing. I was born and raised in Mexico, came here illegally several times, decided to stay once and did, became a citizen, got an education, and now help other undocumented immigrants who are in the shoes I once occupied. If I can help others come here however they want to come here and then help them get on their feet I will.

-- Posted by You_Pendejo_Panocha on Sat, Jun 27, 2009, at 12:43 PM

And your aviator has an AMERICAN flag flown upside down. Shows your gratitude doesn't it?

The employer will probably take a hit on this because all employers are supposed to call E-VERIFY to check the validity of social security numbers.

SpankTheTank: and the word is avatar not aviator---an aviator flies an airplane. I bet You_Pendejo_Panocha (with his limited English skills) knew that. LOL *Tongue planted firmly in cheek*

WisdomSeeker,

I'm not disagreeing with you on that point. We are in a mess, and it's only getting worse. BUT, what this person is doing is just plain using it to be disrespectful. Mexico's flag is above America's. Is Mexico in better shape than the US? I think not. If it is, then why is he here?

He changed his avatar---what more do you want?

I admit I did not like it that he had Mexican flag above the US flag BUT really, I did not consider it disrespect. We have far more to worry about in this country than whether or not a former illegal flies the flag correctly.

Every day 25,000 people die of starvation. Our country is approximately $54 TRILLION in debt and will likely have a republic destroying economic collapse before 2040. That is, if the Chinese or North Koreans do not nuke us first.

History has a tendency to repeat itself----the Persian Empire fell, the Roman Empire fell, the Greek Republic fell, the British Empire fell----and the Unites States teeters precariously on the brink of certain failure.....

And we are worried about eight Mexicans serving burritos and margaritas at the local Mexican restaurant!

Are you kidding me?!!?!?!?

Spank the Tank: Thats my southern accent coming out. Aviator was not a typo; clearly it was a lack of knowledge of the English language--the irony of which I would be amiss if I did not point out given your position on immigrants.

Another thing, too. There are many other problems in Cape and some of you are getting your panties in a wad over my avitar and illegals working at Casa? I've been reading the comments on various articles in the paper for a while now and what I see being said is much more disrespectful than my avitar. Some of the comments that are exchanged are hurtful, not just disrespectful. I have a suggestion for those of you who dislike my avitar and want to lash out at me. Respect MY right to freedom of speech. If I want to burn the American flag in Capaha park, I will. It's protected under the constitution. Don't worry, I'm not a flag burner but am trying to make a point. That last sentence is for those of you too dense to see that I was making a point about protected speech.

WisdomSeeker, I can't find a picture of the Mexican flag under the American Flag while it's being flown upside down.

I thought a flag being flown upside down was an international signal of distress. I'd say the US is in distress right now.

Using someone else's SSN is bad, but we have no information about the circumstance regarding that. It might even have taken place by consent.

Personally, in this hot weather, I'd rather see the police out checking up on retired people who might not be able to afford air conditioning, or maybe they could be tracking down the guy who stole that old woman's purse.

If there's 1 thing Cape DOESN'T need is a scumbag nazi fascist like Joe Arpaio. And why do people care if they speak English? Half of the "if you can't speak English get out" types wouldn't be here if that was the rule. Where did your ancestors come from? Not from here I guarantee you. I realize somebody who says something like that finds walking and chewing gum at the same time a challenge, but even you should be able to get your addled head around that one. I'm totally against illegals, but I think anybody who wants to become an American citizen legally should have the opportunity to do so. That was the original principle this country was founded on, and it's why we're all here in the 1st place.

There are so many out there with comments to make.

There are so many out there who comment without knowing what they are talking about,

It's sad that these two groups turn out to be the same group!!

Greywolf: You are talking about two different types of Hispanics. I doubt any of our servers or migrant workers are in Latino gangs.

malan: Illegal legally speaking, but morally and ethically are they "illegal"? Do they not have the right to seek out a better life for their families as long as they do not hurt anyone? Or this the pursuit of a better life solely an American concept?

why should legal or illegal people be able to work over here i have worked with a bunch of them recently and have seen some of their paychecks and not a one of them are paying taxes over here and that is a shame if they are legal aliens then they ought to have to pay taxes just like the american people do and shouldnt be allowed to send our money over there and what kind of state is this to work in anyway when the people you work for want to fire someone while they are in the hospital having surgery and if we have to stop paying soc sec where will all your money go that you paid in for it

There are legal ways to immigrate into this country. Those do not include tax evasion identity theft or fake documents. Yes, they are hurting people even if not physically.

Moral and ethical, like justice, is not a part of our legal system. We only have legal and illegal and these people are illegal.

TripleS: You may not want to get into a battle of sources because you are ignorant about illegals in nations other than the US. I've traveled outside the US a wee bit and everywhere I've been has had illegal immigration issues. In Europe it's the North Africans slipping in, in Costa Rica it's Nicaraguans sneaking across the border, in India it's the Bangladeshi's "stealing" jobs. It's the same everywhere and Mexico is no exception they too have millions of illegal immigrants.

The strictness of immigration laws is pointless when those laws are virtually never enforced. Any proof that some number of illegals in Mexico actually ever get convicted of a felony and spend that year in prison you tout? An unenforced law is equivalent to not having a law.

Just ask the next person you know who is headed down to Mexico on a vacation to take a minute to talk to the person scrubbing the floors at their hotel. Odds are they won't be Mexican.

WisdomSeeker I know plenty of Americans who will work those jobs you say only Mexicans will do. I have worked chopping cotton, pitching melons, detassling corn, picking all sorts of fruits and vegetables, chasing after a trash truck, lawncare,

janitoral work, digging ditches, laundry work, painting houses and most of that was when I was a teenager. If I ever get laid off from my current job in the medical field or get tired of all the BS they goes on there I will do any of those jobs again. But I am a here in America LEGALLY!!!! My paternalGreatgrandparents were Cherokee and my maternal grandfather came here legally from England so I see both sides of this debate.

This being said I have nothing against those who come here LEGALLY and work but those who sneak across the border ILLEGALLY!!!!!

Wisdomseeker....

I said you are a "bleeding heart"...didn't say liberal. But you stating that you are a Libertarian certainly explains a lot for me. It is most interesting that you would be in favor of removing things in place to help Americans who fall on hard times but are eager to help illegals in your country and city. By the way, if services you mentioned were removed, it would give the illegals one less reason to come here so perhaps you have had one good idea after all. I certainly hope that someday you find the "wisdom" you are seeking.

Grey Wolf and Megla....

As usual you two are spot on as well as several other posters.

Bickiestew: I am in favor of giving "illegals" nothing except their God given right to travel the earth and settle wherever they so choose. Once that is done, it is on them to make it or not.

frazzled63701: As far as being prejudiced against Americans; that is not so. I just refuse to drink the "God Bless America.....and no place else" Kool Aid. We share this planet with several billion other people and we must remember that WE set the example for world to follow.

The fact is white Eurpoean males TOOK this land from those who were already here....the native Americans. While true, they have built America into a prosperous nation; it is also true to whom much is given, much is required.

In the words of our Lord Jesus Christ:

He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

Now...are you a sheep or a goat?

GREYWOLF: Why should it be just illegals who shouldnt be entitled? You have millions of others on the public teat that call themselves Americans even though they havent a clue as to what the American spirit or work ethic is.

No one illegal or not should be entitled to ANY of my hard earned money.

Wolf: Speaking of the fence---what is the difference between a fence and a wall (Berlin Wall)? Not much.

WOMBLE: Thanks for helping me make my point.

My favorite restaurant in town....went there tonight and my food and service sucked...bring back the illegals so I can get good food again!!!!

You said illegals should not be entitled to any of our government's entitlement programs. I agree with you BUT I went a step further and said NO ONE should be entitled to any of MY hard earned money.

Bickiestew: One goes to the Bible to SEEK wisdom one goes to a blog forum to IMPART wisdom. In this case, the latter seems much harder to do because the former is very clear:

"Illegals" (as you call them) have a God given right to travel the earth and settle wherever they so choose.

What is so hard to understand about that?

These Mexican people who are emmigrating to the United States are not coming here to do us hard while we have thousands of Muslim students in colleges across the country of whose intentions are not clear---I do not hear you wanting to send them home.

The 911 highjackers were here on STUDENT VISAS that had expired. WE KNEW they were here.

Why can't you acknowledge that the ONLY reason you are against the Mexican people from coming here is that their country is quite a bit poorer and in close proximity to ours and that their skin is quite a bit darker than yours?

Again I repeat the point: Every day 25,000 people die of starvation. Our country is approximately $54 TRILLION in debt and will likely have a republic destroying economic collapse before 2040. That is, if the Chinese or North Koreans do not nuke us first.

History has a tendency to repeat itself----the Persian Empire fell, the Roman Empire fell, the Greek Republic fell, the British Empire fell----and the Unites States teeters precariously on the brink of certain failure.....

And we are worried about eight Mexicans serving burritos and margaritas at the local Mexican restaurant!

The way I see it, as long as mexican people are not coming here causing problems, let them stay here. I know all of the ones that were arrested at Casa Mexicana, and all of them are good people. And yes...the business owner DID know that all of his employees were illegal! These people only want to come here to work because they want to better their lives and help their families. What would you do if you were them? Put yourself in their shoes! Think about that and maybe you will change your mind about this topic!

Wisdom Seeker:

Butchering the English language is not a crime, luckly for me, and your illegal friends.

If you think a person has the right to move around the world freely and live anywere they wish just go ahead and try that. Don't buy a passport and try to go to another country and tell them that it is your God given right to travel and live wherever you want. Let me know how that turns out OK.

You said:

Its not illegals who are selling drugs in your neighborhoods.

Its not illegals who are shooting up your neighborhoods.

Its not illegals who are cooking the books and squandering your pensions.

Its not illegals who are impregnating their women and leaving their families.

Its not illegals who called in sick to work to go fishing.

Its not illegals who are scoring poorly on the MAP test.

Are you 100% sure about that because I can tell you for a fact that they are.

Those of you saying that Mexicans are great hard working people makes me laugh.

What is up with the streotyping.

Some are nice some are not just like every other race and nationality. I know many that are great people and I know some that are worthless just like every other race or nationality in the world.

Get back on track with the story. It is about people in this country ILLEGALY. Who cares what nationality they are or were they came from.

They were here ILLEGALY, bottom line.

It does not matter how nice or bad they are follow the procedures for comming to this country if you want to better your life and live here.

It is no different in any other country in the world. If you want to live there you MUST follow the procedures or suffer the repercusions.

Wisdom Seeker you said that they have the God given right to live where they want. You are right they do as long as they follow the procedures to do so.

"En Estados Unidos cuando hablan Inglés ya que es nuestro idioma. Cuando vamos a Mexico hablamos español, pues es la lengua de la tierra all'. Si no le gusta la forma en que los estadounidenses quieren hacer uso de la palabra por favor siéntase libre para volver a la tierra de donde viene y entonces quedarse all'."

Of all the hypocritical drivel this one takes the cake. It's don't do as I do, do as I say right? For one, the assimilation process has always been generational. Typically it has taken three generations for non English speakers to assimilate. Today, immigrants assimilate at a faster rate than ever before. By the third generation, most speak only English. So please stop the xenophobic and bigoted stereotype that these people don't assimilate. They do, better than ever and if you look in the mirror we didn't do as you want others to do. That's why we don't speak any of the indigenous languages and most of us don't speak Spanish either even though Spanish was spoken on this land 200 years before one word of English was ever uttered here. Furthermore, there are over 40 languages spoken here in the US and we have always had many languages spoken here. The English Only America you desire is a figment of your imagination, an America that never was and probably will never be.

my-view-of-this:

The only reason a passport was required to travel to and FROM Mexico was one required BY MY OWN GOVERMENT. For decades, US citizens were able to pass freely back and forth across the Rio Grande.

The illegal who made the terroristic threats was not any of the eight arrested at the Casa.

ituyu: You said, "The English Only America you desire is a figment of your imagination, an America that never was and probably will never be."

I would add or never should be.

Again I repeat, the only crime these Mexican people are guilty of is having the misfortune to be born south of the Rio Grande.

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Its not illegals who are selling drugs in your neighborhoods.

Its not illegals who are shooting up your neighborhoods.

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-- Posted by WisdomSeeker on Sun, Jun 28, 2009, at 2:58 AM

Several articles I found indicate otherwise:

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_o...

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/tex...

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/200...

Greywolf,

I'm sure that you believe what you say and I'm sure you've bought the line of bull provided through the propaganda of anti immigrant groups such as Numbersusa but the reality is that there is no viable legal option for people to fill the jobs we need them to do today. We have the jobs and they have the labor. That's true even in this economy. If you think it through, you'll realize that it is our policies, our laws, that have gone against the fundamental market forces of Supply and Demand. The ebb and flow of people over our southern border has always been subject to the laws of Supply and Demand. Our laws contradict natural law. That's the principal reason they are here without documentation. In the Amnesty of of 1986, a legal option was made available and the people lined up by the millions. Today there is no need to deport millions of people that we should have allowed in the first place and in reality it's not in our best interest to do so. Why? Because they are an integral part of the American fabric and its economy. Enforcement Only is not an option. We need to fix what we have with a legal option that identifies these people and weeds out undesirables. That will take pressure off our borders and law enforcement, enhances our security, adds them to the tax rolls while they underwrite the process through fines and processing fees. It's because such an option does not exist that we have the problem. What is the need to waste resources on removing people that can show self sufficiency and who pose no threat to society? There is none.

I ate at Casa on Monday and although they were obviously struggling a little (due to staff levels) they still put on a great meal and were pleasant and polite. Oh and Casa was packed out with people. I hope that's due to people supporting the business.

ituyu: thank you for clarifying that. I was not sure exactly how the process worked I just knew that there was one. Thanks

iTUYU,

Lets just agree to disagree. Your right, my views on illegal immigration will not change and I HAVE NOT BEEN paying any attention to anti immigration

groups. Frankly, these jobs you say exist only exist because employers are greedy and prefer to hire cheap illegal labor and they should be sent back to Mexico with them! Argue that if you will!

Greywolf,

I wasn't born yesterday. For you to make the claim that you haven't been listening to anti immigrant groups means that you do not read a newspaper or participate on boards like this one. Hate Groups have made it into the mainstream, FAIR, CIS, American Patrol, Numbersuaa, Minutemen plus extreme Right figures such as Lou Dobbs are all around you and have been spreading their vitriol for quite some time now. You may not recognize them but your rhetoric carries their stamp.

In terms of jobs I cannot argue something that is that misguided. Let's consider just a few facts. One, jobs are created through growth in the economy. When those jobs are filled they create still more growth in the economy. While there is an incentive to keep wages low by various business entities they are all subject to the laws of Supply and Demand. If there is insufficient labor then jobs go undone and wages rise. That might sound good but without sufficient labor the growth cannot continue and those that have jobs might get paid more but it would result in much higher unemployment. During the period of the past 30 or so years, we have had record low levels of unemployment even though we've absorbed millions of unauthorized workers. These jobs grew out of the need from our economy not simply due to cheap labor. If you look you will find much of that workforce being paid the going rate for jobs. So your assertion is baseless. There are some groups such as agricultural workers that are consistently paid very poorly and most of those workers live in poverty. Do you think that growers are the only one's that benefit? Sorry buddy, but anyone who eats his share of produce and eats any meats and poultry are all benefiting from their blood, sweat and tears. That's you and me along with everyone else reading along. Remember the record low levels of unemployment? That was caused at least in part by the work of the illegal. Their participation in the workforce has added not only jobs but higher paying jobs for many Americans. Yeah our economy has gone bust in the recent months but it had nothing to do with illegal immigration. Those illegal immigrants you see leaving the country represent more American jobs that are lost. Yes, some Americans have been able to latch on to some of those jobs because they lost higher paying jobs not because they came out of the ranks that were previously unemployed. It's fortunate that some can find lower paying jobs now but really it's nothing more than the negative impact the economy has had on them. This is a complex issue and I've only skimmed the surface but I'll close with two little tidbits of info. First, the growth that we experienced in the prior 2 to 3 decades would not have been possible without their participation in the workforce. To get things back on track we will need their participation in the workforce. Without cheap labor many companies will close down or move outside our borders taking with them many more American jobs. Lastly, it's almost unanimous among economists that say that illegal immigrants represent a net gain to the economy. You see, any way you want to cut it, your argument fails. It's simply not in our best interest to remove millions of people from the economy and our communities because it can't be done without hurting ourselves.

THERE IS FAR WORSE PROBLEMS IN CAPE/JACKSON THEN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. WHY DONT LOCAL AUTHORITIES FOCUS ON GETTIN THESE MURDERERS. DRUGLORDZ, CHILD MOLESTERS &, SERIAL RAPISTS OFF OUR STREETS. MOST THEM ARENT EVEN LATINO THERE AMERICANS