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Speak Out 5/31/09

Sunday, May 31, 2009

Utility help

MY utilities have been disconnected, and there are no agencies in town that offer assistance until at least June. I am a single parent working a lot of overtime, and still the bill is over my monthly pay. I need help, and no one seems to be able to offer it. Isn't there something someone can do to help? I know I am not the only one in this situation. Cape Girardeau does not have enough to offer those of us trying to get on our feet.

Build new shelter

IF the wealthy and elite of Cape Girardeau care so much for the well-being of the homeless, how about we build a new shelter?

Be thankful

STOP trying to live your life according to what you see on TV. Be happy with who you are and what you have. Live each day as if it were your last. Wake up each morning and thank the good Lord for another chance at a beautiful day. Work as hard as you can.

Stable economy

I thought the front-page article regarding Steven and Jessica Johnson was a good addition to the discussion on the need for a local homeless shelter. They put a different face on the homeless issue as opposed to the stereotypical panhandling substance-abusers we all fear. However, the real issue isn't homelessness as much as it is our need for a stable, economic climate that ensures good jobs and an individual's responsibility to maintain their employment.

Not a good idea

I strongly oppose the homeless shelter in Cape Girardeau, especially since I am a resident so close to the downtown area with three children. It's not a good idea at all. The idea of putting a shelter in the old Washington school is even closer to my children.

We can do it

THE bottom line on using the federal building as a homeless shelter is this: We don't want Larry Rice getting a foothold in our community. If we need a shelter, that is something we can do in the community. We don't need his brand of help in our community. And we don't need him bringing in unfortunate homeless people to fill his beds. We need to take care of our own.

Ignoring the problem

I'M amazed by the amount of negative publicity the Southeast Missourian has given the Larry Rice ministry. He's an out-of-town person who wants to come to Cape Girardeau and help the homeless, and we don't want him. We've lined everybody up from the mayor to the senators to pastors. Let's sit in our cocoon and be a good Christian community and keep out anybody with new ideas. Let's keep out anybody who's not part of our little community to make things better. We're just fine the way we are, we don't need anybody from anywhere else coming in to help the homeless people.

We're in peril

SOME Christian preachers are speaking of Armageddon in these times. Even if this battle isn't true, look at what man is heading for: pollution, global warming, superbug microbes. Man, as well as the earth, are in peril right now.


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Utility help in June....tommorow, tommorow, I love you tommorow...it's only a day away. ☺ hehe

Build new shelter....I'll be really glad when the verdict comes back.

Be thankful...I am! ☺

Stable economy..if only we could put those too together! ☺

Not a good idea...agreed!

We can do it...seriously, we have one in Jackson that is not filled to capacity. No need.

Ignoring the problem...no, we don't need anyone elses' homeless!

We're in peril...speak for yourself. ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 1:32 AM

Ignoring the problem:

NO the homeless issue is or has not been ignored! How many of you Larry Rice believers have gone to St.Louis and drove by one of his shelters or stopped and went inside the building and looked around? I'd Be willing to bet very few of you if any have done it.Plenty of information about Larry Rice & New Life is out there for everyone to read.I remember a time when many people thought that Jim Baker was the best TV preacher ever Ummm He went to Jail as I recall for taking money and lets not forget the other Jimmy (Jerry Lee's Cousin).I kinda put Rev.Rice up there with these guys,You can only hide behind the pulpit and the good book for so long.One last thought,If so many of you Rice backers believe in his Holy mission Then why have NONE of you come together a long time ago to Form a group that would provide a homeless shelter that would meet the needs of the homeless here in Cape? One of you even posted that your Pastor was "TO BUSY" to take on the task. "lol" :)

-- Posted by Keep-On-Truckin on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 3:23 AM

Quit being judgemental and just hand them money, they are smart people and they will know what to do with it.

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 12:08 AM

All facetiousness aside...this is correct. If you want to help (and feel the good spirit within you moving you to do so), then you offer help in anyway that you can. Perhaps a job offer, sharing an abundance of food, a gift of money...then you will know that you tried! What that person does with it, is between that person and God. If they decline your job, food or money, it isn't anything against you. BUT, if you offer them a job, because you suspect they will turn it down, or a hamburger because you suspect money will go to alcohol, you have totally missed the point. Again...just my thoughts...

Turnip....I saw they gave you a rough time on here last night. Consider the source....and remember, in the wee hours of the morning they often lose control! Especially the one with weight issues!

-- Posted by Theorist on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 7:36 AM

Me'Lange,

I agree, and wonder what cyclist's wife feels about his use of the word. Wonder if he has a daughter?

-- Posted by Theorist on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 7:51 AM

For the lady who cannot pay her electric bill do this. Go to the Cape County Health Dept on Linden street. They have paid electric, water and pharmacy bills for a lot of people I know. All you have to do is ask. I think the person you need to talk to is Charlotte or Carolyn.

-- Posted by howdydoody on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 7:54 AM

Utility help: Hard to see your angle on this. Are you refering to a homeless shelter? If you are a single parent, there is assistance ALREADY in existance for you. Call TANF, MERS, FDS. IF you make too much for these programs, but not enough to make it on your own then maybe you should live with relatives. If you don't have relatives here, then why did you move here to begin with?...some jerk guy who now won't throw any child support your way? Think about it. Cape is no place for someone with no relative, young, single, and with a child. Move back to your home town and get help there.

Build new shelter: Noo..we don't NEED a new shelter. Open the doors to these Churches and let Jeebus/The Homeless in.

Be thankful: Wait! You mean I'm not Stewie Griffon? Or Doctor Who?

Stable economy: Stable economy! Good Motto: Build Jobs, not Homeless Shelters.

Not a good idea: None of these are good ideas. So let's just forget it, and think about...the 80s?

We can do it: Bingo!

Ignoring the problem

"Let's sit in our cocoon and be a good Christian community and keep out anybody with new ideas. Let's keep out anybody who's not part of our little community to make things better. We're just fine the way we are, we don't need anybody from anywhere else coming in to help the homeless people." Yes, Yes, Yes! This is EXACTLY what I'm aiming for, but more!

We're in peril: Hmmm.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 9:39 AM

I strongly believe the american people have been very generous in helping people in need. We have the largest welfare system in the world, but sooner or later these people that ask for hand-outs constantly are going to have to become productive citizens and make every attempt to find a job even if it does pay only minimum wage at least they are trying and not asking for a hand out. If a person is able to work then he/she should work and stop depending on everybody else to take care of them. I will always give a helping hand to a person that is making an all out effort to help themselves and provide for their families, but I'm not going to help a person that says "I make more on welfare and unemployment then I do working so why should I work, let the government pay me" that is not right I don't care what any one says. The welfare system was designed for temporary assitance, but the system has become long term generational problem with many families in this nation and is costing our Federal and State Governments billions each year and still rising at a rapid pace.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 9:48 AM

Wheels: I think that a Palestinian State, or not, is not the business of the US. Minding other people's business will get you into trouble.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 11:51 AM

Utility help

Perhaps the father of your children can help you?

-- Posted by CBabe on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 11:51 AM

Who is under the assumption that the wealthy and elite give a rats *** of the homeless? Why is it expected that they should?

-- Posted by CBabe on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 11:56 AM

Build the shelter along side the river. It would be that much closer to baptise the converts.

-- Posted by CBabe on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 12:03 PM

Ignoring the problem

Your satire backfired, Sir.

-- Posted by CBabe on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 12:07 PM

Theorist, thanks for the words of encouragement, I try not to take it personal but sometimes it's difficult. For the most part it only fuels my fire, I am human afterall! ☺ I am bothered by the fact that 'some' on here like to preach alot about personal responsibility/accountability yet they show none. go figure?

-- Posted by Turnip on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 12:21 PM

Kind of curious what u all think about the other SO forum? any thoughts?http://www.semissourian.com/forums/speakout/thread/42

-- Posted by Turnip on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 12:29 PM

Well that's odd, went right thru my avatar! Anyways it's on the opinion page, top left, I believe. it's the same format as the SHE site.

-- Posted by Turnip on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 12:31 PM

Here you go Mr. Rice. Just what you need.

CHAFFEE HOSPITAL BUILDING FOR SALE Seller very motivated. Variety of potential usage. Make an offer

-- Posted by SpankTheTank on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 12:43 PM

I had a coniption fit reading this....

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/nat...

-- Posted by CBabe on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 12:53 PM

Wheels...

You asked if he would like a hamburger, he said yes, and you bought him two! Good for you!

Had you asked if he would like a hamburger, and had he said, No, I would rather have a buck, and you bought him a hamburger, figuring this would be better....then you would have missed the point of giving.

I applaud your efforts...it appears your motives were "pure"....lauhging

Of course, I judge...YOU judge everything I post and try to disagree with it....hard to do, I think...

-- Posted by Theorist on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 1:00 PM

This just gave ms hizzy fit because we should expect such things.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=...

-- Posted by CBabe on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 1:09 PM

Well lord love a duck....no one will talk to me today.

-- Posted by CBabe on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 1:27 PM

If someone asks me for money, I am the one who decides whether their reasons are satisfactory; it's my money.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 1:56 PM

Re: Utility help

One suggestion, assuming Ameren is the utility company, is to investigate whether one qualifies for their Dollar More program http://www.ameren.com/community/ADC_CM_D... http://www.ameren.com/community/ADC_CM_A...

Because my enquiring mind wanted to understand - assumed a minimum wage at $7.05 per hour and an average of 4.3 weeks per month at 40 hours per week comes to about $1225 per month gross income on average, less, say, 20% for taxes yields about $975 net average monthly take-home before any overtime is considered - and the outstanding bill due is greater than that?

Good grief - just how many months was the caller in arrears before the utility 'pulled the plug'? My total utility bill - water, sewer, electric, with no natural gas service - comes to about $1100 annually - so guessing that the caller didn't suffer a trip, but has been riding a long slide downward for the better part of a year - perhaps a beneficiary of the Cold Weather Rule for most of November through March. http://ago.mo.gov/coldweatherrule.htm

As an aside - had the opportunity to help someone analyze their utility usage - holy cow! How many Ameren natural gas customers realize they're paying just short of $200 per year for meter fees, a.k.a. 'customer charge', including the illustrious 8.25% sales/usage tax - before they use even the first CCF (hundred cubic feet) of gas?

At any rate - back on-track, just seems that more mention could have been made about the numerous measures already taken to demonstrate the efforts to help themselves first before expecting help from others - more than just 'working a lot of overtime' - measures such as raising/lowering the thermostat; punting the cell phones, cable, and other non-absolute-necessities; and/or not eating out along with shopping at the discount grocers.

After all, IMO, it's not about the dollars one makes, it should be more about the dollars one keeps.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 2:20 PM

I love all the coverage on the Homeless Shelter Reverend Rice. But, why hasn't Joyce Hungate of the Revival Center been interviewed. Not even organizations that send referrals her way has mentioned the good work she has been doing in the area for several years. Why isn't anyone interested? She has complied with rules and complaints and is still going strong!

-- Posted by taxed on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 2:24 PM

Utility Help: I'm sure you've had the AC cranked up lately & the heat cranked up last winter. If you're utility bill is more than you can afford, use less energy.

Stop having kids if you can't support them.

-- Posted by Just__Me on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 2:39 PM

Wheels: I think that the nose will be stuck everywhere, it benefits the state. Minding the business of others fertilizes government's growth.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 2:39 PM

fxpwt hit the nail on the head.

-- Posted by Just__Me on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 2:40 PM

Theorist, I wanted to discuss this yesterday but I was too busy deflecting bricks with my charm! lol Anywho...I don't think it matters if I give a $1. or a hamburger, point is I gave.

-- Posted by Turnip on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 2:55 PM

Wheels, don't sound so surprised....I'm a good person, most of the time! hehe

-- Posted by Turnip on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 3:05 PM

If an alcoholic asks for money to buy beer/whiskey or a drug addict asks for money to buy drugs, giving them money is not "helping", it is enabling. I will feed someone, but I will not just give them cash without knowing for what it will be used.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 3:06 PM

Wheels, I think we're a lil' past finesse....the cat is out of the bag! ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 3:17 PM

Wheels,

I long for the day when I am troubled by what those self annointed few think of me and my motives; I do so want their approval and acceptance. I am so distraught I may have to go take a nap.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 3:22 PM

"Well lord love a duck....no one will talk to me today."

-- Posted by CBabe on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 1:27 PM

Hi Babe!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 3:42 PM

Wheels: I have a picture of him/her on my computer screen; so although I miss his strikes as he did with his, I have him near my heart. I may try to use him as an avatar. Be careful, he is shedding and leaves no warning.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 3:46 PM

MeLange, I have been goin' back and forth debating to post a thread...throwing around ideas, how 'bout u? Are u even a lil' interested?

-- Posted by Turnip on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 3:47 PM

So what's the deal with the "new" forum? We tried this a 3 years ago (or so) when...(oh shoot, I can't remember his name) use to work for the Missourian. Didn't pan out too well. The SO forum is basically our meet and greet. Making a special room for us is a waste of time.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 3:47 PM

Where is the new forum?

-- Posted by D'oh on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 3:58 PM

Opinion Page

top left

-- Posted by Turnip on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 4:24 PM

Turnip...

I don't think it matters if I give a $1. or a hamburger, point is I gave.

-- Posted by Turnip on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 2:55 PM

I agree. If you gave to help, you did the right thing....

-- Posted by Theorist on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 4:33 PM

Wheels...

You packin' a pick? Cause your always jabbin...

-- Posted by Theorist on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 4:35 PM

Two young teens were killed and several others injured in a vehicle crash near Oran around 0530 today and there is no mention of it on KFVS or the Missourian. Kind of puts all our other petty complaints in perspective; some people have real and immediate problems with which to deal.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 4:48 PM

Turnip: There is nothing wrong with giving money or buying food for a homeless person. If I feed or donate money to someone I will not trespass on his right of property. I may ask the person what he will use it for before I donate, and will choose whether or not to give based on his answer. I will not assume responsibility for his life. I have old property values which seem not to be in vogue in today's world of fascism. A person owns himself.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 4:49 PM

puts all our other petty complaints in perspective; some people have real and immediate problems with which to deal.

-- Posted by BN1401 on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 4:48 PM

Horrible accident, now on the home page. You are right BN...petty complaints seem....well petty. My heart goes out to these families.

-- Posted by Theorist on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 5:19 PM

Great letter, Cycle or Social.

I agree with Wheels. If I give someone $1 & they use it to by drugs, I am enabling, not helping. I have offered just bought groceries to people with "Hungry & Stranded" signs outside Wal-Mart on many occasions. About half the time it's refused. Gee, I guess they aren't so hungry afterall since they didn't want the honey ham & wheat bread.

-- Posted by Just__Me on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 5:21 PM

Theorist,

Yes, it just came on the home page. Further details are on the MSHP Website; truly a sad and trying day for many.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 5:22 PM

Gee, I guess they aren't so hungry afterall since they didn't want the honey ham & wheat bread.

-- Posted by Just__Me on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 5:21 PM

I would refuse it too if I was allergic to wheat. Did you ask first? You could have saved a trip and some money. Were you going to eat it if they didn't like it? Were you shopping for yourself after all?

-- Posted by Reasoning on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 6:56 PM

Yo yo yo

-- Posted by DonT15 on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 6:57 PM

...when i was burnt out of house and home the Salvation Army refused to help me because i had a steady job...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 7:09 PM

My great great great great great..ect..Grandfather served as a Captain in Col. Baylor's regiment, The 3rd Continental Light Dragoons, during the Revolutionary War.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 7:43 PM

I just started a very serious thread over on the new forum page. Everybody needs to take the time to address this compelling topic - it's a matter of national security!

-- Posted by Lumpy on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 9:25 PM

Wheels: I'm a mixed breed. If I counted all my ancestor grandparents that lived on this continent it would work out more than a thousand. I'm sure that there were earlier arrivals and later arrivals but Martin Nalle came here in 1701. Our part of the family dropped the e in the mid 18th century.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 9:59 PM

Wheels: The plane is a picture of my brother Ed's last project that I know of, the F-23. He was working on something for Northrop-Grumman when he died of cancer. They kept calling him when he was in the hospital according to my sister who was bedside. She and I admired Ed to no end. He was the luckiest man in the world. As a kid, he would draw pictures of planes and worked as an engineer for Rockwell International on the Space Shuttle in Downey, California and then for Northrop-Grumman in Hawthorne, California on fighters and bombers. A kid and his dream.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 10:28 PM

test

-- Posted by DAB on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 10:29 PM

Wheels: Of course the maternal side influenced. And Bollinger County has turned out some impressive people, at least the ones that are not into politics.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 10:50 PM

Wheels: He is buried at Glennon.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 10:52 PM

Wheels: He quit high school at the age of 16. Got his engineering degree at Long Beach State.

The old pear tree with grandpa rained down knowledge. I must have strayed outside of its influence. But I did ride to Pete's Place a few times in the old International.

Good night

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 11:24 PM

Thread oriented forums are time consuming and boring.

-- Posted by CBabe on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 11:31 PM

"I'm one of your newbies, my folks only been here a little over 150 years."

Wheels,

You green horn! LOL! ;O)

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 12:24 AM

Reasoning, I was shopping for myself, but offered some of the food that I had purchased for my family to someone in need. It wasn't the generic crap eitherpt was the good stuff.

And the allergy stuff is a load of BS. If you were hungry you would have at least taken the meat or said "I'm allergic, but I appreciate the offer."

No. They wanted money to spend on something other than food.

-- Posted by Just__Me on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 9:06 AM


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