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Friday, May 29, 2009

Bring back Broadway

MANY in Cape Girardeau like to pretend that the city is an up-and-coming, booming little river town. If having an ungodly number of chain restaurants and antique shops makes a city boom, then they are right. Cape's downtown district has so much potential. It saddens me when I see the vacant buildings on Broadway and Main Street. Word has it that many of these buildings are owned by the same people. It seems to many of us that the owners of these properties could sell just one or two of them and invest that money into one of the others. How nice would it be to have a theater back on Broadway.

Just say no

WITH their self-esteem probably at an all-time low, I hope the hapless area homeless didn't read the May 24 edition of the Southeast Missourian. If they did, they learned that leadership representatives from every segment of Cape Girardeau's community from men of the cloth to businessmen, educators and politicians oppose efforts to give the homeless a temporary home in downtown Cape Girardeau. In addition, the tone of the letters indicated to me an almost smug sense of pride in being able to jump on the "just say no" bandwagon and pile on the poor homeless.

Olden days

THERE was a time when I was just 3 years old and our road was considered to be the boonies. When the salt truck went up our hill, we would brush the salt off because we could slide down through two yards and out into the sandy road. We hitched our sleds and toboggans together and had such great fun. Now this road filled with doctors, lawyers and Indian chiefs. I miss the olden days. Does anyone else?


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Bring back Broadway: "How nice would it be to have a theater back on Broadway."

First of all, everyone needs to start calling Phil Brinson and tell him to get off the pot or...S***. OR Sell it to someone for a dollar and let them remodel it! You'll NEVER get the price you're asking or wanting.

Second. This is what happened when you took Broadway Cruising away. Broadway Crusing brought in $25 Million annually (While Killshot didn't)

Just say no: This is a mute point. We don't want them, it isn't going to happen! Time to break out the petitions!!

Olden days: "I miss the olden days. Does anyone else?" If you read this forum, you know dang well "I" do! Indian Chiefs??? You lost me on that one though.

But what caused these changes? Newbies my friend, plain and simple. We let the newbies come in, take over, and have a voice of change.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 6:35 AM

Wheels,

Feeling better this morning. Up and at'em and basically waiting on the telephone to ring so I can sell of the remainder of this stock.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 6:36 AM

JUMY,

We talked supply and demand several months ago. Read this article.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090529/wl...

"Storage tankers across the globe may be brimming with oil that no one is buying because of the global economic downturn, but the traditional laws of supply and demand don't always apply to oil prices."

So irregardless of "supply and demand" If you take into equation the no "S & D" rule of law for fuel, by proxy ALL items "price effected" by fuel doesn't have control by standard S & D rules.

Which is exactly what I was talking about. Supply and Demand is a fiscal passe' the rules of "20-years-ago" econimics have become antiquated, and do not apply to modern day techniques due to "speculation" and mysterious X factors.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 7:21 AM

Awwwwwwwww!~!! Stupid cut and paste! Here's the article again!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090529/wl...

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 7:22 AM

Good morning! ☻

Bring back Broadway....yes, only if its two lanes! ☺

Just say no...well, it is what it is!

Olden days...well find the neighbor that sold off all the land & tar & feather him or her! ☺

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 8:22 AM

Wow...Big bunch'o'nuthin' in SO this morning.

Well, busy day on the schedule anyway. I'll just lurk in the shadows and wait...One never knows what might spring forth from the fruitful (and some NOT so fruitful) minds as the day wears on...

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 8:29 AM

"Ore. man calls 911 over orange juice at McDonald's

ALOHA, Ore. (AP) -- An Oregon man spent Memorial Day in jail after dialing 911 to complain that a McDonald's worker was rude and didn't give him an orange juice he ordered. Raibin Osman was accused of improper use of the emergency telephone number.

The Oregonian newspaper reports that the 20-year-old bailed out of the Washington County Jail on Tuesday and could not be reached for comment.

Sheriff's Sgt. David Thompson said Osman ignored deputies who told him the emergency number isn't to be used for straightening out fast-food orders.

A McDonald's employee also called 911 during the incident to complain that Osman and the people with him were blocking the drive-thru lane and knocking on the restaurant windows."

Here is an excellent example of how folks are getting fed up with poor customer service. Honestly, who is the customer supposed to complain too when this situations arises?

Ohh how I wished there was a position for customer service police. There'd be new Sheriff in town, if I had that position. These places need to clean up their acts. Off with their heads! (Yeah...I'm talking about that pudgy little thing in the Broadway McDonald's who tried to s.c.r.e.w. me out of my tea!)

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 8:38 AM

JUMY,

But as you read...that standard of S & D doesn't necessarily apply now (again) to the high prices of gas. And...as we know, Prices DO rise when the cost of gas goes up. Not necessarily due to S & D.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 8:44 AM

Condolences to the McGuire Family.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 8:44 AM

Megal, it's accountability. Most just go on and don't complain. at the very least I will call and speak to the manager. No need to be rude just let 'em know. Most offer for a 'quik fix' and I say nah, u can buy my lunch next week, here's my name. I do forget to go get those alot.

btw, have u noticed how 'stingy' McD's is getting with their sauces. I actually asked some guy at the window, jokingly of course, "is there a cap on how many bbq sauces u can give out?", I wanted 3, he said "yes, 2." Can u believe that? OK, first of all u can't raise the f-in prices AND cut back on my sauces, that's just rude.

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 8:45 AM

Megalomania: "Here is an excellent example of how folks are getting fed up with poor customer service. Honestly, who is the customer supposed to complain too when this situations arises?"

Anytime that you feel that service is poor, call the headquarters and complain. It may not help but it is worth a try. If I own stock in a company I definitely call.

I'm ready to quit trading in Cape altogether, except for Sam's and Best Buy, because of poor service. Dexter has a much friendlier Wal-Mart and I'm still waiting for a refrigerator from Lowe's that was supposed to be here last Tuesday.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 9:03 AM

James, I've had one contractor jackin' me around for 3 mos. now. It's been very difficult for me to believe times are so tough when I can't hire someone to do a honest days' work.

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 9:09 AM

Mega, I think you mean "moot" point.

-- Posted by rh3a on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 9:22 AM

Mega: A company, in order to stay in business, needs feedback from customers. Profits are a source of feedback, customer complaints are another.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 9:36 AM

rh3a,

Moot and Mute in themselves ARE debatable terms. If we break down the words by meaning, logically MUTE is the word we want to use here. Moot in itself means "Debatable."

When I said, this is a "mute" point, I am technically saying the point is mute (silence) akaa...not debatable.

But here is an interesting article on the point.

"Michael Quinion is the author of the book Port Out Starboard Home and Other Language Myths, a volume we've referenced on this podcast on past occasions. He also maintains the Web site World Wide Words. Quinion joined us on Grammar Grater by phone from his office near Bristol, England.

Quinion says that moot point is a phrase that once had a well-understood meaning, but that meaning appears to have blurred. The term originally meant a matter that was uncertain, undecided, and therefore open to debate. Although that meaning remains, Quinion notes a newer understanding of the phrase. "We're seeing a shift in which this old sense is turning into something not worth debating, which is a curious change."

To explain the confusion, Quinion blames the word moot itself. "It's not one we really come across anywhere except in this one expression and it causes people problems," he says.

Quinion describes how the word moot originally had the same meaning as the word meet. He explains that before the Norman Conquest in 1066 and even in medieval times after the Norman Conquest, a moot referred specifically to an assembly of people.

There were many types of moots, the most notable being the witenagemot, which as an assembly of the witan or wise men, was the national council of Anglo-Saxon times. [Harry Potter fans note: JK Rowling adapted this word to create the Wizengamot, which in the popular books and films is the high court of wizarding law.]

Quinion says that all moots were meetings of some sort but they had a legislative or judicial function. Simply put, a moot was a place where people met in order to make decisions. "And so, by definition, a moot point was something that wasn't yet decided," Quinion says.

The shift in meaning, according to Quinion, has occurred within the last few decades and has accelerated in more recent years.

As to the cause of this shift, it might be possible to point a finger at ... lawyers. (We're just teasing you lawyers out there; please continue reading...) Quinion identifies another modern sense of moot that is well known in legal circles: a moot court, which is where hypothetical cases and academic points of law are argued by law students as a way of getting practice. "There's no practical outcome of these sessions," Quinion explains. "The cases are invented, they're academic discussions. So people seem to have assumed that a moot point means one of no importance. From there, we get the contemporary meaning of something that's not worth debating."

While all of that makes sense, we went back to Beverly's question; specifically, why do we sometimes hear people saying or writing mute point?

"That's a change which is something we call in the business, a popular etymology," Quinion says. He explains that because the word moot has mostly disappeared from popular use, people come to whatever conclusion they can about what the word ought to be. Quinion says that the nearest word to moot is mute, meaning silent or wordless or uncommunicative.

"Of course if you take moot point meaning something that is of no practical consideration and something not worth debating, then to be silent about it makes a great deal of sense," Quinion says. "A mute point is one that seems to be a sensible conclusion, so people are tending to use mute point instead of moot point."

Quinion acknowledges that mute point is incorrect, but adds that that has nothing to do with the way language is used. "If people think it makes sense," he says, "then it makes sense."

Now...that being said, lauguage, words, and their meaning are constantly evolving. The word "GAY" was once a commonly used word meaning Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry. Now...the word is considered "politically incorrect" and is essentially taboo due to it's newly evolved meaning.

Proper English? I hardly believe there is such a thing.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 9:42 AM

"...from a noisy bar in Avalon I tried to call you..."

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 9:52 AM

JUMY,

As the article stated, the law of S & D are not in truthful application here. Besides, that's like selling "oxygen" and saying, "You'll pay because you need. But...if you hold your breath longer, you won't need as much."

Trucking companies MUST pay for fuel, OR they cannot deliver goods. Gas/Oil are a the same things. Oil prices go up, fuel prices go up. Gas is a derivative.

"As to the price of oil ... I don't understand enough about speculation." That's the whole mysterious "X" factor I'm talking about.

Parsnips,

I don't think it's being rude for a customer to ask for something that they paid for. How angry would you be if your contractor had you pay for services first, then...he conveniently forgot to put doors on your house?

Yeah...McDs is getting "stingy" period, but all the places in Cape are.

Nall,

You are correct about Cape. It's lost a sense of pride. LOL! I called a contractor to get a quote on remodeling my bath. He measured, and left said he would send a quote. Three weeks later, he calls up and asks if I'm ready to get started. I said, "On what? You haven't even sent me the quote yet."

He said he'd send it right out, it's been two more weeks...and I'm still waiting. Ohh...He'll be the first one I hire for the job now. *Rolling Eyes*

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 9:55 AM

Well...GM is making it's decent into oblivion .87 cents and falling.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 9:59 AM

"How angry would you be if your contractor had you pay for services first, then...he conveniently forgot to put doors on your house?"

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 9:55 AM

Megal, I'm VERY IRATE...I know, stupid is as stupid does...blah, blah, lesson learned.

James, this is why I'm hesitant to contract w/Lowe's, I ain't fallin' for that twice! ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 10:13 AM

So why are the dairy farmers dumping milk in the fields in protest? surely we still consume the same amount of milk.

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 10:16 AM

Wheels, it's really not necessary to inform us when you relieve yourself, really! How distasteful. ☺

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 10:19 AM

Mega;

Uh...yeah.

Oil Prices and speculation

AS I understand the process, oil futures are what generally drive the price of all products made from petroleum. Speculators buy up "shares" of the oil the producers are expected to produce at some time in the future. This promise of future sales is what drives the producer to produce the products - if there is not going to be a market for the product, why waste the resources producing it in the first place?

If, say, OPEC hints that it may have to slow production in the fourth quarter of this year, as an example, in order to replace well heads, pipelines, pumping equipment, etc, that decreases the supply, or at least gives the perception of a decreased supply, in the fourth quarter. This causes speculators to pay a higher price for the raw product - they want the shares to sell to the refiners later - because there will be fewer shares available.

This has an effect on current price of products made from petroleum because those future purchases have to be funded by the refiners. This causes the little understood, by many, phenomenon of fuel prices rising as oil prices rise, but remaining higher for a time after oil prices drop. If a station owner purchases 30,000 gallons of fuel today with a total cost (including his calculated costs for labor, rents, utilities, taxes, etc) of $1 per gallon (as an example), he will probably sell it at $1.10-$1.15 per gallon. If, however, the oil price rises and his next 30,000 gallon purchase will cost him $1.20 per gallon, he must then immediately raise his price accordingly to cover the additional cost of his future purchase. If, however, the price drops to $0.90 per gallon, he still can not immediately lower his price - he still has to pay for what he has in his tanks. Can't stay in business operating at a loss - ask GM! So, in essence, it still goes back to supply and demand. Producers will supply product so long as they get the price they desire. If supply decreases, prices will rise as speculators vie for more shares of the available product and offer a higher price to the producer to acquire those shares. The speculators put up the front money and provide the impetus to the producers to supply the product. They then sell their shares of the product to the refiners, hoping to make a profit on their investment. What we saw last year was a bit of run-away speculation caused, in part, by some of the overseas producers threatening to cut production and by huge purchases of petroleum by China in advance of the Olympics. Not knowing whether or not his was to be an ongoing trend or just a short-term bump-up by China, speculators panicked and overbid on their shares. Unfortunately, we all had to wait for that to work itself back out of the system - which it eventually did.

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 10:30 AM

"...spirits are usin' me, larger voices callin'..."

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 10:33 AM

"As to comparing oil and/or gas (they are not one in the same)"

Jumy,

Please provide a source for this.

Arguing this S & D debate is a MUTE point with us. Let's just forget it.

Milk: Parsnips, JUMY. I have begged for the Missourian to do an article on this. What is happening is that Stores ARE charging high prices, even though what the farmers are getting is just a fraction of last years price.. (same thing as we are seeing with fuel and oil prices now) (That S & D mystery X factor thing again JUMY)

Milk Article:

http://www.kansascity.com/382/story/1212...

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 10:37 AM

Littlemac,

"If, say, OPEC hints that it may have to slow production in the fourth quarter of this year."

But this isn't the case. OPEC slows production to "directly" control the price. You know this, we seen it when prices and "demand" as they say shot down the price of oil. The fact is, it had nothing to do with "demand", it was soo high that American's were slowing down on travel and refusing to pay those stupid prices.

So ... what did OPEC do? Reduced production because (as they stated) they wanted the price of oil to stay at 60-70-80.

The fact is, our industry is "oil based" we must have it in order to conduct business. (You also know this) It's not a point were we can just say, "Oh...well just get rid of fuel based vehicles." Like oxygen is to human existance, our economy thrives on oil. S & D is based upon want. Oil...unfortunately, has become a need.

And what's with you and JUMY and reciting poetry back and forth?? LOL!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 10:46 AM

The homeless don't read newspapers. They might accidently run across a want-ad.

-- Posted by CBabe on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 10:49 AM

"As to dairy prices ... if they're willing to dump their milk and destroy 100% of their profit margin, then it may just been evolution or the thinning of the herd. That would be like burning your GM stock instead of taking the 10% on the dollar offer (or 40% if you're a UAW member and the administration is in your pocket)."

-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 10:46 AM

A much more poignant "Tea Party" though...don't you think? Built upon principle?

And as far as burning GM stock, I think that's what's happening at this point. A HUGE volume of trade being made today. Dang thing is up 2 cents to .89.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 10:53 AM

Turnip;

yes, we are probably consuming just as much milk...but new technologies and large herds make it possible for dairy farmers to produce a huge surplus. The more gallons they produce and sell, the more money they make. Dump a few million gallons, decrease supply, and you can demand a higher price - as with anything else.

Customer service - once upon a time, long ago, in an alternate reality when I was trying to pay my way through college, I was actually a manager at a McDonalds. I was also a assistantr store manager for a time for a large retail concern. Let me tell you, there is very little that torques me more than going to a McDonalds or any retail outlet and getting pith-poor customer service! Seems like ever since Ray Kroc died, McD's has pretty much gone to hades in a hand basket. What passes for "customer service" today would have gottem managers and hourly employees fired on the spot 20 years ago... Seems worse in the franchise stores, too. There's a store across the street from McD's HQ in Oakbrook, IL. When Ray was CEO, it was nothing unusual to see him standing in his office window - which overlooked the store - over lunch, with a stopwatch in his hand, checking to see if he was getting 30-second service in the drive-thru. That store went through a lot of managers. Guess those standards are long gone...

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 10:54 AM

"The homeless don't read newspapers. They might accidently run across a want-ad."

-- Posted by CBabe on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 10:49 AM

LOL! I'm betting it's Rice's homeless minions calling in to speakout, and making the hit and go posts in the forums speaking out FOR the shelter. Maybe all articles involving this topic should include a "HELP WANTED" ad in them? That way we could thwart that problem.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 10:56 AM

Littlemac,

AMEN on the customer service thing. Anyone else notice how the service actually got SLOWER when they added the double lanes in at McDonalds? Not to mention more confusion and more messed up orders.

The unfortunate thing is that consumers (on the whole) seemed to have allowed this to happen. I've even seen it in this forum where some one has said we still need to reward "sub-standard" service with tips. Or to "lighten up, it's no biggy."

See where "lightening" up has got us?

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:02 AM

Southern Cross?? You guys have been dipping into the Southern Comfort already...haven't you?

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:03 AM

Mega;

Correct on OPEC directly controlling supply - I wasn't clear in my thinking - or maybe the translation to the written word.

I started the whole Southern Cross thing because I STILL have to make a post to see other posts - first thing that came to mind...

Oh great - another czar in the administration. Now they're going after our computers and networks. Wonder how many more of these czars - appointed, paid for by us, not subject to Congressional approval (for what THAT'S worth today...), not elected, not answerable to ANYONE but the POTUS, no known limits to their power - we will have to endure.

And just for the record - I'm opposed to the so-called "czar's" regardless of who's administration it is.

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:06 AM

JUMY,

I appreciate your understanding. Like any alpha type male, my "speculative" opinion is the only one that matters. LOL.

What's that old saying? There's only two ways of doing things...The wrong way, and my way?

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:07 AM

Turnip: My son will buy another refrigerator soon. He has altogether quit Lowe's at Cape and will most likely purchase it at Sikeston or Popular Bluff. Times are not so rough "yet" that Lowe's at Cape is hurting for business, but if times do get rough it may be a store that more and more people will avoid.

It has to do with recognition of a property claim. Until Lowe's delivers the refrigerator they haven't recognized my property claim even though they cashed the check for the claim.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:07 AM

can't eat that MickeyD's food , never could..it goes thru me like corn thru a goose !!...the amount of personel turnover they have , i can see where customer service would take a dive tho..it use to be just teenagers working there but not anymore ...there are people working there who are trying to make ends meet...it's all sad , really...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:11 AM

Parsnips,

Are you free tonight? I was hoping we could go up to Cape Rock and have a little fun. ;o) LOL!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:12 AM

Mega;

Rewarding sub-standard performance is really ridiculous. On the tipping: I do tip if my waiter or waitress provides proper service and has a proper attitude, and at a rate commensurate with the level of his or her service. I even tip them if the kitchen makes a mistake - they wait tables, that screw-up is on the cook staff, not them. But, I am also known to leave the derogatory penny when it is warranted...

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:13 AM

"If you want to put a "shelter" somewhere, use Houck ... nothing worthwhile is going on their anyway."

-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:05 AM

LOL!! Now JUMY, don't go pushing buttons and giving the local bleeding hearts any ideas! We don't want a shelter ANYWHERE in Cape City or County. Besides...we get rid of Dobbie, and go back to Division II, the possibilities could be endless. We need the Chief back at Houck! We've been cursed ever since.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:16 AM

"...When you see the Southern Cross for the first time..."

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:18 AM

Dang! Now I've wasted away the entire day and not made one penny! I've got just 8 more chickens to dump, and that'll be done. Chickens anyone?? How about insurance?? LOL!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:19 AM

..

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:20 AM

Mega;

"...I've got just 8 more chickens to dump, and that'll be done. Chickens anyone??..."

!!???

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:21 AM

"You understan now why you came this way"

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:22 AM

Oh, bugger - had my desk pretty much cleared for the weekend, now an e-mail request for info, suspense immediate. Better run - do some more work.

Buzz back through later, Good Lord willing and the creek don't rise...

Ta!!

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:25 AM

Wheels;

Yeah.

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:26 AM

Mega: Prices also depend on the perceived value of the dollar. The dollar is dropping against the Euro which is also dropping against most commodities. The price of goods and services in this country is measured in dollars. When the perceived value of the dollar goes down prices go up to cover the cost of production. Worldwide trading in oil is measured in dollars. If the dollar becomes too unstable the markets may look to a more stable currency as a medium of exchange.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:33 AM

So, has anyone seen gurusmom or did she fall into

a hole somewhere?

-- Posted by CBabe on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:40 AM

Littlemac,

My uncle is moving to Cape from Scott County. (He's old) He sold his property, so I've been driving back and forth to Scott County for the past week cleaning up stuff, and liquidating his stock. I've got 8 left, and then no more driving.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:40 AM

Cbabe,

Gurusmom drop in making a hit and run post on the rare occasion.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:42 AM

Wheels,

I've just been waiting for folks to call and pick them up. I had a few here caged up in couples that folks have picked up this morning. He had about 100 of them. Been selling them for about $15 a head. Only pullets and cockerels left now (youngins' less than a year old) So I'm selling them for $7.00 each. It's a shame, I'd like to keep about four of them. They're tame and would make good pets, but as I said...the city kinda s.c.r.e.w.e.d. that deal for me.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:47 AM

The god-king wanna attack the Internet. "Free Communication As a Threat to America" by Butler Shaffer at http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/ar...

Butler Shaffer is a professor at the Southwestern Law School. Read his book "Boundaries of Order" and learn what many Republicans knew back when there was Republicans.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:50 AM

LOL! The crap kicker now is that I sold his truck last night, so I'll have to use my van to go pick them up in. LOL!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:51 AM

that's funny shat! ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 11:59 AM

FYI ***** NEWS ALERT****

First Case of Swine Flu in Cape!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 12:05 PM

Megal, Don't u think u should be more concerned with the bird flu??? stompin' around down there on the farm in ur van....gross.

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 12:08 PM

"You understand now why you came this way"

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 12:10 PM

Parsnips,

We've been keeping a close eye on things. I'm betting this new Swine Flu case in Cape is either someone of Mexican descent OR someone that traveled to Mexico after one of these local agents said it was OK to go.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 12:12 PM

RE: Gursmom

She along with several other posters quite posting here on Speak Out after a particularly brutal night of insults and attacks. She occasionally posts on other topics, but I have not seen her on SO since then. I always enjoyed her intelligence and insight along with the others who left. It has not been the same since then. Not that there aren't good posters on here now as there are, but the number of posters and posts has declined considerably.

-- Posted by RA on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 12:13 PM

Probably...LOL! But I'm not that coordinated on a moped. lOl!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 12:13 PM

Mac, may I make a suggestion? Try alt1 or alt2. u keep confusing me! ☺

Megal, what kind of lady do u take me for? the last time u invited me, u stood me up. sorry, mister, no second chances here. ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 12:16 PM

Aww come on Parsnips. Give a fella a break, I'm getting sweet on you. ;o)

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 12:19 PM

"I believe LittleMac has visions of a Rider with a black hat and a sack on his back leaving some farmers chicken house about midnight on a MoPed!"

Wheels - How'd you know...?? We must have a psychotic connection - I mean a psychic connection!

Megalo - Ya know, there is a little known ordinance in Cape that says you can keep livestock as long as they are in a paddock. Just pull some chicken-wire around a 8'x8' space in your back yard...wha-la, paddock! Besides, Cape's "animal police" managed to get an ordinance limiting the number of dogs and cats you can have - don't remember anything about how many fowl you can have as pets...?

That's Lunch!

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 12:20 PM

Way to go, Mac..u just p*ssed Mrs. Megalomania off in a BIG way...☻ lol

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 12:23 PM

"Mac, may I make a suggestion? Try alt1 or alt2. u keep confusing me!"

No good. Thanks anyway. You no-lik-a my song-a?

Wheels;

The Republicans leading the Party have become RINO's. I would suggest true conservatives need to find a new home. I, for one, could live with MOST of the Libertarian views. However, I think a grass-roots movement to establish a new conservative party, may be in order. At any rate - we need to select conservative members to Congress and start firing the RINO's. I once suggested sending the Republican leadership in Congress a pair of brass balls to pass around and share - since there doesn't seem to be a pair among them - but I now am certain that would be a waste of time. They would have no clue what to do with them if they had them.

Now, REALLY, THAT'S LUNCH.....

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 12:28 PM

Littlemac,

Thanks for the info, but Parsnips is right...My other-half wouldn't be too excited about the deal. Besides as much as I razz the Mayor...they'd throw the rhetorical book at me.

Lunch?? Already?? Man! I have wasted this day away completely.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 12:29 PM

Trade'em to Wheels, Megal...surely on one of his 2 trips a month to 'town' he'd throw some eggs ur way...☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 12:32 PM

Parnsips,

LOL...better idea. I bet your kids would love to have these. 4 of them are really tame.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 1:05 PM

Wheels, negative...I quickly aborted that mission. Goin' with a retaining wall instead, my neighbor might b in the market though.☺ I still need a rain barrel.

Megal, nah, I don't eat brown eggs! ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 1:16 PM

Melenkurion abatha!

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 1:25 PM

No, Mega - he would probably through a REAL book at you - the biggest one he could find! LOL!!

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 1:27 PM

'Snips - Wanna know a secret? My Granny done tole me - them eggs is ALL yeller inside... lol.

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 1:29 PM

Oh, my...I meant "throw", "Throw", darn it, NOT "through"...!

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 1:30 PM

Parsnips,

The brown eggs are good for you.

Littlemac,

He'd throw something...that's for sure.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 1:32 PM

Uh-oh, Now we have real trouble Littlemac. I'm a huge Doctor Who/Torchwood fan. And have been watching who since Tom Baker. Now we have something in common. Imagine that. LOL

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 1:35 PM

Used to watch The Doctor when Tommy Baker was the man. Always cringed at those darn bad teeth of his... Lost track for many years, picked it up again when we got the BBC on sat a few years ago, and followed on Sci-Fi. Torchwood, too. Waiting for the new season. Been watching "Primeval" by chance?

By the way, what lead you to this conclusion about The Doctor and I...?

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 1:40 PM

"By the way, what lead you to this conclusion about The Doctor and I...?"

Ohh that was an easy one: "Melenkurion abatha!"

That...or you took it from the "The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant."

Not been watching Primeval. I try not to multi-task my sci-fi too much.

LOL! Back then English folk were known for their bad teeth. LOL!

I'm a sudo Who Historian of sorts on some levels. It's one of my big areas of interest just as Film is. I also just got papers for Chicago Tardis in the mail today.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:01 PM

Oh, my...

"Melenkurion abatha! Duroc minas mil kabal!" Six of the Seven Words of Power...

From "The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever".

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:12 PM

megal,

rh3a is right.

Nobody uses "mute" when really meaning a "moot point." If you'll keep reading the definition, you'll see that moot also means "of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic"

Thus, moot point IS the correct and common usage. You sure spent a lot of effort to try to deflect your mistake. Don't feel bad, it is a common mistake.

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:20 PM

http://languagerules.wordpress.com/2006/...

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:23 PM

Mac, how 'bout this one...I'd rather not 'know' the chickens....☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:25 PM

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/mute.h...

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:25 PM

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/m...

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:26 PM

http://www.toytowngermany.com/wiki/Moot_...

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:26 PM

..

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:28 PM

http://lexicide.com/?p=148

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:29 PM

Actually when a word is commonly understood, it is a moot point whether it is strictly correct by usage rules...

-- Posted by RA on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:30 PM

HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!

Good one, TripleS!

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:35 PM

Turnip...

a chicken is the nastiest animal on the farm ...they are the first ones to the fresh cow piles...and the carry disease just like any bird does too...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:37 PM

Sorry, those things just get under my skin.

There are several errors that are very common, and you even see them misused on BILLBOARDS in Southeast Missouri for pity's sake. Here are a few:

Your & You're

Its & It's

Their & There

Come on folks, this is stuff you see on "Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?"

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:39 PM

slim_pickens,

I know what you mean, I spent over thirty years proofing and correcting reports written by college educated people, some with advanced degrees and for some it was a never ending battle. I often had to provide "proof" as they had used the words/phrases all of their lives.

I still have a problem with the bastardization of the word "impact", well quite a few more than that.

I try not to pay much attention to informal venues like this though; still a work in progress though.

-- Posted by RA on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:49 PM

...if y'all are searching for good grammar and spelling , you sure picked the wrong place to find it...i'm just a dumb old stump kickin' country boy with no formal education...i get mixfused but i type what i feel like typing , ya know ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:04 PM

-:(

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:06 PM

*Rick*-

Mistakes are fine, we all make them. It's the 700 word essays written to avoid the admission of the mistake that gets me!

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:10 PM

Ooops! I meant :-). Want to make certain I have my grammar and spellin' correct...lol

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:15 PM

Looks like Slim has become the speling and gramer police. We shur du need won in hear.

Thanx Slim

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:24 PM

MeLange,

"Impact" most certainly can be when used correctly, it is after all, how you use it...

Rick,

While you may not have much formal education, you are one of the more intelligent and insightful posters on here. I spent the afternoon with an elderly gentleman the other day who had little education, but was very successful in life and has more money than you can imagine. There are some things you can teach, but intelligence isn't one of them. I have known a lot of people with degrees who were about as dumb as a sack of hammers.

-- Posted by RA on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:28 PM

"There are several errors that are very common, and you even see them misused on BILLBOARDS in Southeast Missouri for pity's sake. Here are a few:

Your & You're"

Yep. I have seen that one. Big as life, up somewhere closer to St. Louis. Generally pay little attention to billboards - too busy driving and singing "Southern Cross" - but for some reason, that one caught my eye...

From grade school through college, I do not think I ever had a teacher who did not deduct points for improper grammer and spelling mistakes. Based upon some papers I have seen by recent grads - I think that is another practice that has pretty much gone the way of the Dodo. I know there are exceptions - I know some college professors who still hold those tootsies to the fire - but I fear they are a dying breed.

What really gets me right between the eyes, though, is some of the horrendous ways in which we mangle the spoken word. The one that just really sets my arse afire is "axe", as in, "I want to axe you a question." I just want to jump up and down and scream, "It's pronounced ASK! ASK, you uneducated moron! An AXE is used to chop wood!" But, I restrain myself in the interest of civility. I smile (condescendingly, I hope), grind another millimeter off my teeth, get another gray hair and move on.

Ah, the imperfections of the human animal....

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:28 PM

Like *Rick*, I'm a country boy. I'm an uneducated hillbilly, an abstraction. So proper English eludes me and my wife is not here to correct me.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:29 PM

***Warning!*** The following post is soo deep, that it may cause a brain aneurysm.***

"Thus, moot point IS the correct and common usage. You sure spent a lot of effort to try to deflect your mistake. Don't feel bad, it is a common mistake."

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:20 PM

Pickens, I wouldn't have made such an effort to prove my point if there wasn't some validity to my case. Not that I like to engage in semantics, but that is exactly, what we're talking about here.

Moot is NOT the most commonly used version. Additionally, it's historically academic meaning is: "open to discussion or debate" The word in itself is contradictory to it's meaning as used in "a moot point."

MUTE has become the more modernly accepted version rather than moot. Just because it is grammatically wrong in the world of academics, doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

Take the word "ain't". It's another word not accepted by grammarians, but the word does appear in the dictionary and as you well know is also commonly used in the english vocabulary.

Let's put it this way. Moot (as in moot point) means, An irrelevant argument. That said, an arguement can be relevant, but the point be mute. Unless the argument is irrelevant, then it would be, "The moot is a mute point." But can an argument be a point?

Now..you can make points IN an argument, whether that arguement is irrelevant or not. And if you made moot (irrelevant points) in a mooted arguement, then you may have just wasted everyone's time.

But if the Moot (the irrelevant arguement) is ended with a mute point, then it would only be logical that the end of the irrelevant argument is ended by the mute point.

*sigh* And...let's just take the word Moot. In what other context would you even use such an archaic word? I mean, the word in itself is contradictory...to itself.

The English language is constantly evolving. In the world of words, there are no absolutes.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:32 PM

My sentence structure often needs remodeling. Impact is a wrench.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:37 PM

Another favorite:

"I'm going to Wal-Mark" or "I'm going to the Wal-Marts"

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:40 PM

Impact is what you feel when you bail out of a perfectly good aircraft at 5,000 feet and both your main and your reserve give you the bird!

It's not the FALL that gets you - it's that sudden STOP at the end!

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:40 PM

Ever notice that when there is little or nothing in SO that warrants real discussion, we make it up as we go...?

Active minds refuse to be curtailed by the lack of vision on the part of others, I guess.

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:43 PM

MeLange,

Ah, MeLange, thus is life; no doubt my time will come again all too soon...

-- Posted by RA on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:44 PM

slim_pickens,

I wouldn't be so quick to judge the posters on this forum. I have an English degree, with emphasis in creative writing. Those mistakes you listed are common mistakes that not even a spell check on a computer can decipher. Intentions in posting are usually based upon a high degree of impassioned writers who just want to get their point acrossed.

That being said, none of us are paid for crossing "T's" and dottiing "I's" on this forum. Sure, I realize there are many Grammarians, and spellingphiles that lurk in the shadows keeping score of who makes these atrocious infractions.

Why...I even see some of these mistakes being made by paid staff at the Missourian.

I have talked about the evolution of the English language. Without a doubt, a day will come when we open this forum and read posts that are nothing short of Textese. Just think how flushed your cheeks will be then.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:45 PM

James,

I doubt that anyone on here will accept that you are "uneducated". Education can take place outside of a classroom as well as inside if a person is motivated. My grandfather had only a sixth grade education, but read constantly. He was one of the most intelligent people I have ever known.

-- Posted by RA on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:52 PM

If you're going to write, write. If you are going to write well, marry an editor.

It's pronounced wash, not warsh you hillbilly.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:55 PM

Whose judging?

The first person to identify the error in the following sentence gets a pickle:

"Intentions in posting are usually based upon a high degree of impassioned writers who just want to get their point acrossed."

And your English degree was earned where?

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:05 PM

Okay, I win.

-- Posted by RA on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:09 PM

Alas, our time together is ended. I must now venture forth, seeking new worlds, new life, new civilizations...boldly going where no man has gone before - I gotta clean out my darn garage this weekend. In case I enter and never find egress - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish!

Bye! Ya'll come back now, ya hear?

Out.

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:10 PM

Burpless or Straight Eight?

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:10 PM

Have a good weekend.

-- Posted by RA on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:14 PM

Slim,

Thanks for playing. You've proven my point. LOL! Message Error, Message Error.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:16 PM

Wheels..

I hate the word 'impact' as it is used incorrectly so frequently. Mrs Criddle was impacted when the city cut her trees.

-- Posted by CBabe on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:21 PM

Slim,

I know you're refering to across, maybe something else. In writing, acrossed IS used for dialect. Couldn't it be said that Walmark and Walmarts are dialect?

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:24 PM

How about, "impacted bowel," or "impacted wisdom tooth?"

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:26 PM

Dialect, possibly; vernacular, most definitely!

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:33 PM

Like this:

"Well, boys, I reckon this is it - nuclear combat toe to toe with the Roosskies. Now look, boys, I ain't much of a hand at makin' speeches, but I got a pretty fair idea that something doggone important is goin' on back there. And I got a fair idea the kinda personal emotions that some of you fellas may be thinkin'. Heck, I reckon you wouldn't even be human bein's if you didn't have some pretty strong personal feelin's about nuclear combat. I want you to remember one thing, the folks back home is a-countin' on you and by golly, we ain't about to let 'em down. I tell you something else, if this thing turns out to be half as important as I figure it just might be, I'd say that you're all in line for some important promotions and personal citations when this thing's over with. That goes for ever' last one of you regardless of your race, color or your creed. Now let's get this thing on the hump - we got some flyin' to do."

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:35 PM

Slim was born and died in California, but his many years on the rodeo circuit influenced his distinctive Texas/Oklahoma vernacular. (And maybe dialect, too!)

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:38 PM

You forgot some grammatical errors that most annoying me:

using ideal instead of idea

dangling prepositions

misuse of "anxious"

going to "Wal-Marts"

-- Posted by Just__Me on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:44 PM

Yeah, yeah, yeah...Dr. Strange Love.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:44 PM

How about that good ole combinational McPiglin?

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM

Actually, I did list Wal-Marts in a prior post. The others are great, though.

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:54 PM

I prefer my combinational McPiglins with outsides.

-- Posted by slim_pickens on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 4:58 PM

Willy,

If you're serious, I'll just "give" you three roosters...except they won't be dead when you get them. What ever you do with them after the fact is your decision. Two more weeks, they'll make great little fryers. Let me know if you're serious.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 6:37 PM

I'll be out on the scooter carousing around. Later all.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 6:38 PM

WOW! Is the spelling lesson over? It seems like Megal has another fan! ☻

Good for you, Megal...make Mak'i do his own dirty work! ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 7:34 PM

Parsnips, I have fans amuck. I just love the cute little things. Speaking of cute little things, are we on for Cape Rock tonight? I'm feelin' kinda....anxious.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 7:57 PM

"Intentions in posting are usually based upon a high degree of impassioned writers who just want to get their point acrossed."

Intentions in posting is usually based upon a high degree of impassioned writers who just want to get their point across.

-- Posted by CBabe on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 8:15 PM

Babe,

Yes...I already corrected myself.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 9:15 PM

Megalomania, I'm starting to understand why you've been divorced so many times. Uz a naughty-naughty boy. Now give it a rest, you're starting to drool. ☻

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 10:01 PM

Naughty...yes! Someone finally gets it!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 10:19 PM

Mel,

I've always been naughty...just not real nice. lol

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, May 30, 2009, at 2:17 AM


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