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Friday, April 24, 2009

OSHA rules

UNTIL people stand up and say enough is enough, OSHA will keep persecuting people who are trying to make a living by giving them ridiculous fines for silly rules that make absolutely no sense. There is no way you could obey all the rules, and they come up with new ones all the time. This is just more rights taken away from us. Big Brother will destroy this country.

Government waste

AFTER reading about U.S. Rep. Jo Ann Emerson's objection to spending $411,000 for a census office in Cape Girardeau, I applaud her position and agree it's another example of government waste. She said all the right words. Now let's follow up and see what happens.

Investigation needed

I'M calling in reference to the Census Bureau renting the property on South Silver Springs Road at $411,000 for 16 months. There should be an investigation. Heads should roll at the GSA.

Census spending

I agree with U.S. Rep. Jo Ann Emerson about the leasing of the building for use by the Census Bureau. That's why the government is in the shape it is now. Nobody thinks about saving, only spending. There's no reason why the sale of the old federal building couldn't have been delayed.

Highway approach

WHILE the Missouri Department of Transportation rebuilds unsafe highways all over the state, in Bollinger County MoDOT comes up with a much more cost-efficient method. It designates unpaved zones as "drive safe areas," and if you're caught with any infraction your fine is doubled.


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good morning folks!

Do you know any women who have left men for women?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 7:24 AM

Good morning! :)

Cycle, did u see that last post from last night, u r always steppin' in a pile of shat...lol.

Rick, u sure do ask alot of questions...hehe! No, I don't know any women who have left for other women, but I do know 'of' women who were once married/children and now are 'lesbians'...Oprah does alot of shows about married men 'discovering' they were gay while being married. I also know women who are done with men period but have not gone to the opposite sex. hope this helps.

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 7:32 AM

OSHA rules: OSHA? On a Friday? Jeebus! Have some mercy will ya!

Government waste/Jo Ann Emerson: Yep, those two go pretty much hand-in-hand.

Investigation needed: Let's call JC, he can do it. He's a snoopy fat little prat!

Census spending: LOL!! Ok Jo Ann, do we need to start talking about 99.9% of the reasons NOT to re-elect you?

Highway approach: Woo Hoo! Double Fines! *rolling eyes*

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 8:03 AM

JUMY,

Should be a jump in Ford Stock Today.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 8:03 AM

Ford announces 1 billion dollar loss for first quarter of 2009...

there goes ur stock!!

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 8:05 AM

Rick,

Actually that loss is MUCH less than expected. Pathetic I know, but Ford Stock will actually rise on that data.

JUMY,

Also, I did answer your question last night. Between today, and Chrysler going bankrupt in the very very near future. I see $5.00 by at least next week, and 6 or better after Chrysler fails.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 8:09 AM

Ahh..Early trading. Wow! Then things are looking pretty good.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 8:11 AM

I bet Jim Cramer's fuming on this one. Idiot definately called it wrong so far!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 8:27 AM

Just...

When your wrong, you immediately start personally attacking the other poster. Anyone else notice this?

If you can't respectfully and intelligently debate or discuss an issue, why should I interact with your personna?

I tire of doing your research and work for you. And I tire of your constant slander. If it were done with the least bit of witticism....but it drips with hypocrisy and pretense.

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 8:29 AM

Ford up to $5.38 already

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 8:32 AM

Interesting comments supporting Rep. Jo Ann Emerson in SO this morning.

Emerson is the worst kind of polititian and that is a populist. She is very adept at publically commenting on situations that her constiuency views as unpopular. She then follows the problem up by doing little or nothing to solve it.

At one time I may have found it humorous that Emerson raises a stink over $40,000 in government waste when she voted for TARP, the automaker bailouts, and the Omnibus spending bill (in which there is over $94 million in pork in her name alone).

To quote a favorite Frank Zappa song: while you were sleeping your puupy was crapping.

Here is what our representative in Washington was up this week...

Voted for HR 1145 which gives the President power to lease the oceans for the purpose of producing electricity. Too bad the MO 8th Congressional District is about as landlocked as can possibly be.

Voted for HR 957 which is more corporate welfare in the guise of wasting tax dollars on "green" energy research. Since JAE is not a Missouri native, maybe she doesn't realize that our energy is produced by coal.

Voted for HR 1139 which provides billions to a failed Clinton era community policing program in order to increase the country's police force by 50,000 cops. This goes hand in hand with Obama's plans to overrule a law that prohibits police from initiating questions unless a defendant's lawyer is present, and the recent rash of reports from Homeland Security that pigeonhole regular Americans into militia groups and terrorist cells.

Jo Ann Emerson's actions continue to limit liberty!

-- Posted by Lumpy on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 8:34 AM

Hilleco,

I agree. The US has no buisness torturing detainees. I find the practice disgusting and un-American.

There will be no charges leveled against the war criminals in the Bush administration because the Dems were in on it too.

Once again the false choice that is the two party system is compelling!

-- Posted by Lumpy on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 8:41 AM

OSHA rules...silly rules that make absolutely no sense, what about the ones that keep u safe??

Government waste...my point exactly, I emailed her & let her know I for one would b watching to see if she follows thru, otherwise her mouth just overloaded her ars....

Investigation needed....well, see comment above, hopefully oh, JoAnn can redeem herself...

Highway approach..."It designates unpaved zones as "drive safe areas," and if you're caught with any infraction your fine is doubled." Can someone explain this to me, unpaved zones, where can u possibly go/fast on a gravel road...how many lawdogs actually enforce this....

Speaking of lawdogs, I'd like to give a shout out to the Jackson police officer who felt compelled to do his job this morning, thanks. I'm tired of seeing these h/s kids run the bus stop signs...it's very dangerous.

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 8:45 AM

Cycle, I don't see why u care...it's not like when they wreck ur head will be smashed into the asphalt...why full fingered gloves? How do u tan with all those layers? U know what needs protection, that **** muffler...geez...talk about a life lesson there..lol.

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 8:52 AM

Theorist, I really wouldn't sweat it....we all know MOST men do not have the ability to reason....women choose not to, men can't help it! :)~

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 8:55 AM

...it all depends on ur definition of torture..

hell , a loud bike could be defined as torture..lol..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 8:59 AM

Whatever, Cycle...u brought it up...again! :)~

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 9:00 AM

Motorcycles:

I have ridden and owned motorcycles made in England, Japan, Spain, Italy and the US and to me the annoyance factor is as much about how the bike is ridden as anything else. A loud Harley is no more annoying to me than a Japanese sport bike running up to the red line and banging through the gears; noise is noise. When I am forced to go to Cape, I am forced to listen to all the 4X4 pickups and pocket racers with their loud pipes too.

While I own a Harley, I use a full face Shoei helmet, padded riding boots and such. I don't personally care for the "Harley" look, but how someone else chooses to dress doesn't really concern me, nor does their lifestyle as long as it does not impinge on me.

-- Posted by RA on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 9:20 AM

How about us moped riders? LOL!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 9:22 AM

Excellent point, TripleS! But Cycle's done discussing it...he dun 'spooked' himself...again!lol

Speaking of 'annoyances' on the road, do u know what irks the heck out of me? pulling up to a stoplight and 'feeling' someone elses' stereo....but my hubby just keeps on doing it...geez!

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 9:26 AM

Meglo,

Don't know much about mopeds, but I have had a blast riding a motor scooter. I do hope you are wearing a helmet.

-- Posted by RA on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 9:29 AM

Megalo

riding a moped is like having sex with an obese woman...

it's fun to do but u wouldn't want ur friends to see ya doing it..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 9:29 AM

Maki', my husband once suggested that...my response was I will if u will, he's got some hot friends! :)~ lol

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 9:31 AM

Triple,

Sorry. I'm one of those folks that owned a harley while living in the State of Illinois. I got so used to NOT wearing a helmet that I just don't do it. I look at it this way, (and from experience) If you're going 60-70 mph on a motorcycle and you get hit or hit something. You're pretty much road kill. Same goes for the moped (as I am finding out) If a car hits me at any "reasonable" speed, I'm a gonner anyway.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 9:49 AM

cyclists

war protests aren't the in thing right now ...

kissing BHO bootie is...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 9:54 AM

"The CIA destroyed videotapes showing its agents subjecting high-level al-Qaeda detainees to waterboarding after the agency's inspector general issued a classified report in the spring of 2004 that concluded the interrogation methods used on the prisoners "appeared to constitute cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment, as defined by the International Convention Against Torture." By Jason Leopold

Key word, Just_Me and MY.....after

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 9:56 AM

JUMY,

Here is where I cringe with the term "War on Terror."

But let's take another look at that in general term "War on Drugs." How's that going? We're not fighting "Drugs" We're fighting the groups making them: Mexican Drug Cartels, White Trash Cooking Meth at Home, etc.

It's time to put a "face" on our enemies and do some finger pointing, because fighting faceless enemies is like trying to swat at those floaters we see in front of our eyes on occasion.

I say call a spade a spade. War on Taliban, War on Towel Heads, War on Trash that makes meth labs, etc...

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 9:57 AM

Wonder why Willie assumes all terrorists are male...

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 9:58 AM

Meglo,

I am alive and still have a face because I was wearing a helmet when I hit the pavement head first at 70+. I don't remember the crash as I was knocked out immediately and regained consciousness about the time I stopped skidding and bouncing. I was also side swiped in one of our larger cities and my head/helmet hit the curb; no significant injuries beyond scrapes and contusions. I have had other crashes in which I was not wearing a helmet and thankfully my head didn't strike anything, just other body parts and I lost a lot of skin and flesh.

I am a firm believer in helmets personally, but you are a grown man and I certainly respect your position.

One of the lingering problems I have from riding at high speeds without a helmet when I was younger is some partial hearing loss as I refused to use a windshield.

-- Posted by RA on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 10:03 AM

I dont see any problem with loud pipes on any vehical. I have a truck with loud pipes and love it, and all my friends have trucks with loud pipes, and in one year I will be out of college and have a job and will be buying a new truck and harley, both with get loud pipes put on them, and i hope i dont get close to any of you who dont like them. What i do hope and wish for is that i pull up next to those who think we should hear their music, then i can show them what real noise is, not that crap they call rap.

-- Posted by irishjester on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 10:35 AM

Do you know any women who have left men for women?

-- Posted by *Rick* on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 7:24 AM

Sure do. A neighbor decided a husband was too demanding and controlling. She found a lesbian to be her male counterpart and move in with her. Then she cried because her female companion was too demanding and controlling. That's the short version.

She let her husband move back in six months later.

-- Posted by CogitoErgoSum on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 10:36 AM

no way could I live with another woman, I can barely stand myself most of the time...lol!

Maki', I forgot to add earlier, my hubby never has mentioned it again, go figure...lol! :)~

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 10:42 AM

Afghanistan will be this country's last adventure in empire building. The economy won't allow an aggressive, expensive and unnecessary foreign policy.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 10:50 AM

When I ride my wing I dress for the ride. When my pals who ride crotch rockets get on their bikes, they dress for the slide. Frankly I prefer not to wear a helmet when riding interstates which I ride often. When riding in the hills and ozarks I wear a helmet and leather as does Mrs.Wolf. Often I will be in my back yard which is near the new highway and see these kids on rockets riding 50 miles an hour on one wheel.I also see some standing on their seat riding at very high speeds.

Most of these fellows are dressed for the slide.

One of these days I bet I help scrape one of these kids off the concrete. I guarantee their parents will not be able to have an open casket visitation. However, to each their own I suppose.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:00 AM

Ever wonder why some married men discover (ha ha) that they're bi-sexual? Not many woman will agree to ... whatever.

On OSHA. Another example of a government program meant to do some good gradually going too far.

Saw some bad things coming as soon as Homeland Security was instituted. Some thinking for themselves people started seeing them within a year or so.

Harley riders are tough. Hard heads don't need more than a beanie helmet.

Megalo, moped and scooter riders are absolutely the most courageous riders on the road! Takes a lot of guts.

-- Posted by CogitoErgoSum on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:28 AM

Hilleco,

Karen De Coster is one of my favorite featured bloggers on lewrockwell.com. I have e-mailed her on several occasions, and she always graciously writes back. She wrote a fine article regarding the sorry state of the LP recently that really hit the nail on the head.

Thanks for posting.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:28 AM

Triple,

I can certainly respect ones position in exercising safety. I guess after my time in the Coroner's Office and the Funeral Profession, that I've seen an equally amount of tragedies with safety equipment being utilized.

Personally, I think when the Lord calls us, it doesn't matter if we're wearing our birthday suits or body padding. He's going to call us in his time, not ours.

And no frets, I feel the same about seat belts and child safety retraints. While I didn't grow up having to use these items, I do still emplore that my children and others do. I think it's just a personal choice and at 21, I'm sure they'll make their own decisions too.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:35 AM

So in my ignorance, what is the difference between a motor scooter and a moped? However, I did read that any scooter with under 50cc, is considered a moped.

Any other information on this? I'd like to know what I'm riding. LOL

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:38 AM

Sounds like Hitler's Germany, James Nall.

Most of us just can't see it.

Are we actually paying idiots to come up with this stuff, all for the general welfare and supposed safety of America?

I was getting a little nervous with the things we've seen the past few years, but now it's getting downright scary.

-- Posted by CogitoErgoSum on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:39 AM

"no way could I live with another woman, I can barely stand myself most of the time...lol!"

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 10:42 AM

Parsnips! I just figured you out, you're one of those gals that doesn't like to compete with other gals for male attention. I bet you're a hoot! When are we meeting? LOL!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:41 AM

Kidding about Harley riders, Just.

Not sure, Megal, but think mopeds are more like riding a motorized bicyle, while with scooters you aren't straddled across them but have that platform for your feet. Something like that.

-- Posted by CogitoErgoSum on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:47 AM

James,

Interesting article. I agree that it is the lust for power, whether in the political realm, business world, church etc. that spurs some to think they are above the law.

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 12:01 PM

I have, on more than one occasion, only noticed a biker because of the loud pipes. i don't have a problem with them on the interstate, it's when I hear some idiot red-lining his bike past my house on a residential street that irks me. And yes, I have owned a bike before, and it is possible to drive down a street without disturbing the entire neighborhood.

-- Posted by Producer1 on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 12:02 PM

"I just figured you out, you're one of those gals that doesn't like to compete with other gals for male attention. I bet you're a hoot! When are we meeting? LOL! "

Meg, generally speaking, there's usually no competition involved. :)

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 12:11 PM

Producer1, I disagree, u can hear a hog coming from a mile away, or at least I can. I think this comes down to what irks some may not irk others. I consider myself a city girl..so moving to Jackson has been interesting, so many farmers w/big ars trucks...I can always tell when it's midnight..all those young'ens come barreling out of the park, showing u exactly how loud & fast they can go....

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 12:18 PM

One more comment on torture...

please read this interesting blog...

http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2009/04/the...

It sums the entire issue up neatly, "we mustn't become monsters in order to defeat a monster."

I personally don't care if and when it started, or who knew...it needs to end!

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 12:19 PM

I doubt it, JUMEMY, girls get down right vicious...lippy, hell ignorant sometimes, I have to remind them that not only am I ez on the eyes, I also am native american and I come from the smackaho tribe...u get my drift....don't hate me cuz' u ain't me. lol but since (as usual) u missed the point...no competition cuz' I ain't a looking, slick...I got mine and I'm good! :)

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 12:28 PM

Torture, JUMY....the issue is torture....

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 12:34 PM

JUMEMY, it's all fine and good til' I start picking back.....lol

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 12:50 PM

yes, JUMEMY...and u told me Megal was a nut case looney bin...who should be in a straight jacket, like Kevin....but I didn't believe that either.

Meg, where r u? U started this crap...were u trying to insult me, did I miss it?? what gives..put ur darn moped down and come back....lol

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 12:58 PM

Back to 'reality', i'm confused, what exactly is ur position on the torture, I initially thought u were against it, now u seem for it...so is it GO OBAMA or GO BUSH day??

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 1:09 PM

well, I for one think those people on 9/11 suffered horrible, unspeakable deaths...which Al Queda took responsibility for...these individuals believe to the death, literally, in their cause, they believe that by dying this way, in war, it is an automatic pass to the holy land, how on earth do u penetrate that?

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 1:22 PM

JUMEMY, now why u gotta go and prove Theorist right...where did ya go...let me guess...u can't see, right?? lol

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 1:24 PM

No Competition? Smack-a-ho? My Parsnips, you are a feisty one.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 1:38 PM

JUMEMY, no, but that's an interesting suggestion....u really need to get ur computer fixed or stop arguing with people and for gosh sake's will u make up ur mind, female or male...it confuses me. sheesh!

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 1:42 PM

How's about it Meg, u wanna go get loaded and cruise broadway on the moped??? perhaps drive by and give the Wolfs' a show....i have to tell u, straight up...i will be really mad if u wreck us. lol

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 1:46 PM

HEY...we could do 'driveby's' at Mr. Howards' house...and watch him chase us around with his camcorder...lol, ohhh..Mr. mayor...ahhh..we could have the camera, no drinking then...that would be stupid. :)~

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:01 PM

Parsnips,

LOL! I'm a busy busy person (some days) No, I'm not in insult mode today. Giddy glad it's Friday mode yes, insult mode...no.

JUMY,

I've always been leveled headed. Unfortunately, (like most in this forum) Politics doesn't show my best side. Additionally, I'll admit...I'm a complainer. Since Government is getting my tax dollars on an at-need/daily/immediate basis, I dually expect them to ACT NOW when I'm fidgity about something. That usually...oops, I mean NEVER works, but the whinging about it at least satifies me innards.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:05 PM

Producer1, I disagree, u can hear a hog coming from a mile away, or at least I can.

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 12:18 PM

I drive a 1979 El Camino, not the most quiet of vehicles

-- Posted by Producer1 on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:08 PM

Wreck us? LOL! I doubt we'd both fit. I already look like a whale bumping a miniature vibration thingy on wheels. If you piggy backed, you'd look like you were riding a Shamus kiddie ride at the fair.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:09 PM

Uh-huh, JUMEMY, read it and weap...u were wrong, as usual, I was right...now go put that in ur pipe and smoke it! :)~

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:09 PM

An El Camino? Blast! I've always wanted to cherry up one of those and put some straight pipes on it.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:10 PM

I dont see any problem with loud pipes on any vehical. I have a truck with loud pipes and love it, and all my friends have trucks with loud pipes, and in one year I will be out of college and have a job and will be buying a new truck and harley, both with get loud pipes put on them, and i hope i dont get close to any of you who dont like them. What i do hope and wish for is that i pull up next to those who think we should hear their music, then i can show them what real noise is, not that crap they call rap.

-- Posted by irishjester on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 10:35 AM

So... your noise is better than theirs. Yep you're definitely a college student

-- Posted by Producer1 on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:11 PM

Parsnips,

The Broadway cruising and getting loaded sounds like a hoot though. You have anything cooler than a minivan? LOL

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:12 PM

Ahhh, Producer, is it green or blue? I may b off a lil' w/years, not so much into the details just the overall look. the hubby has an 86.....it's been 'babied' for about a year now, rarely driven, ya know. I can hear it comin' as well! :)

Meg, that is some funny shat...u crack me up! I hope u have a great, somewhat relaxin' weekend!;)

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:15 PM

No rest for the wicked Parsnips. My kids are wanting to back yard camp tonight, so I have to help set up "camp" in about an hour. Tomorrow I'm at Bollinger Mill all day, and Sunday and Monday I'm training all day for some new stuff I'm doing through work. Not too mention my kids have 4-H stuff tomorrow and Comicon both days.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:20 PM

Turnip, it's two-tone blue, and it doesn't run so well, but you can't hear it coming down the street,(I have the idle set really low) you can certainly hear it when you are inside the car on the interstate not the mention all the road noise and wind. If you live in jackson you may have seen me around.

As soon as we get my wife another vehicle it will be parked and I will start to cherry it up.

-- Posted by Producer1 on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:21 PM

JUMY! Yes! My friend had a 1969 Ford Ranchero with a 351 Windsor. That thing could flat scoot! Especially on Cage Road, we'd ramp that last hill coming into town.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:26 PM

Producer, yea, sounds familiar! Hey, ya gotta start somewhere. Right now, the hubby is workin' on his first baby, a 68 firebird. well actually it's like half of a 68 firebird, i'm excited about this one! takes time & money...lots of both! good luck! :)

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:32 PM

Too cruel. Both are fine vehicles, I knew another guy that had an Olds Camino with a 442.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:36 PM

JUMY, I find your stance on torture a little confusing. You are the first one on this forum to scream about our loss of liberties, and rightfully so. Yet you give free reign to gov't to torture anyone they THINK to be a terrorist. Do we POSITIVELY know that everyone they have tortured is a terrorist....NO.

All it takes is a few phone calls to the right people and you may be the next one scooped up in the middle of the night, gagged, bagged and thrown in a cell.

Sorry...that kinda came across as a threat. It wasn't, just trying to make a point

-- Posted by Producer1 on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:37 PM

Socialism,

Funny how between the two parties that the PETAs and the Enviros get thrown to the wind. I am a bit concerned about the melting in Antarctica, but IMO the root "cause" it arguable on many levels. Could be global warming? Could be we're plummeting closer to the sun? Aliens? Definately some weird stuff. But did we cause it? That's definately debatable. Howver, humans are pigs, I see trash along side the road more and more. What happened to the Crying Indian Commericials?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4ozVMxzN...

Oops, probably the same place as Chief Sagamore and Princess Otahki.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:41 PM

Producer1,

Good points. One reason I'm so outraged over McCain and his cronies s.c.r.e.w.i.n.g up the Magna Carta and Habeaus Corpus.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:44 PM

Gosh all this talk about loud pipes and muscle cars.....none of it is very "green".

Where's the outrage?

-- Posted by socialism_kills_cyclists on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:35 PM

Yeah, my ride is the anti-environment.

Turnip, thank you. It will be a long process. But when it gets done it will be worth it. I cant wait.

-- Posted by Producer1 on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:44 PM

Could be we're plummeting closer to the sun?

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:41 PM

The gravitational pull of the sun constantly pulls us closer to it.

-- Posted by Producer1 on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:48 PM

The Earth is a living organism just like all of us. Global warmimg is a myth, the Planet is simply running a temperature because of a common virus. The good news is, this too will pass. Fortunately its been 20,000 years since it last

had a cold. Lets just hope it doesn't catch one again in the near future. It is also true that the worst period of fevers and colds the Earth has experienced was way before we humans were around to screw things up!!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 3:15 PM

James,

Your last post confused me. Im not sure I understand your point.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 3:47 PM

James, never mind I just had to read it a few more times. Thats what happens when we get old.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 3:50 PM

Turnip: '68 Firebird? 400 RA IV? Carter 750 Quadrajet? Turbo trans? Air induction/scoop hood? 4:10 gears? Just described my first car - which my little sister turned into a heap of scrap (not her fault) and walked away with only bumps and bruises...thing was built like a tank! Ahh, the memories... she would run 130 and not even red-line - STOCK! Power windows, cruise control, rear window defog, electric trunk release. Chick magnet, too! Wish I had the money... Oh well - wish in one hand and shi-ite in the other, ya know?

Producer1: Yes, but thanks to the magic of centripetal accelaration, we continue on our way through space.

Torture: First, on this outrage about Abu Ghraib - ever been to a frat party? Used to see certain frats on campus do much worse to their pledges - some still do - and get away with it. Second, define, strictly, what is and is not torture and at what level of threat you believe it is time to take drastic action - because it does work. Third, as I recall the timeline: the populace and Congress (suddenly) became outraged; the Bush Administration said, "Ok, the law is pretty vague, define torture for us." Congress did so. The administration stopped those activities that fell into the category of torture as defined by Congress. So, who and how do you prosecute? Seems to me any prosecution for acts committed PRIOR to the law would be ex post facto and, therefore, unconstitutional? As to my personal opinion: I do not care what you do to these animals. They use children as suicide bombers. They behead captors by hacking away at their necks repeatedly to chop off the head of their victim. Think that isn't cruel? Painful? TORTUOUS? Yet I hear noone calling for THEM to be prosecuted for war crimes. They would think nothing, NOTHING about detonating a nuclear device in any of our cities or of bombing the schools your children and mine attend, or of the churches we attend, for that matter. Or poisoning our cities water supply. Or releasing chemical or viral agents in your neighborhoods. They are sub-human animals deserving of only one thing: death. To them, you are infidels and worthy only of death, and they care NOTHING about your "human rights". If any of them have information that would save even one single innocent American life, I say do whatever you have to do to get that info. And do not give me that poozzified crap about being above such things - we're talkng about our very survival, the survival of our families, our way of life. Get the info we need to protect us any way you can. A little dunking in the water? Sleep depravation? Mild starvation? Ask our SF Soldiers about those little inconveniences! Insects? Ask any member of the US Military who ever served at Ft Bragg, Ft Benning, Ft Chaffee, Camp Legune, or in Vietnam, Korea, the Phillipines, or the SOUTHCOM AO, about insects - and eels, and arachnids, and reptiles - some of which we did not even have an English name for that we could find! Flushing a Koran? Ask any Isreali who has had their Tora BURNED by Muslim extremists whether THEY care! If you think we can count on NATO or the UN to protect our interests - your living in a fantasy land - they can not even stop a handful of Somali pirates in barely-seaworthy boats! Why are the navies of the world not blowing them out of the water on site? Europe is bowing to Muslim extremism. Does that mean we should, too? Do you WANT to live under Sharia law? It is time to grow up and realize we are at war with forces that will walk right over us if we do not toughen up and start doing what we need to do to fight back! here, we see things in the near term; our enemies are planning for the long haul - we had better do so, too. You all need to think about these things, too. If you were in charge and certain a captured terrorist had information about a terrorist nuclear attack on one of our American cities, to what length would you be willing to go to save thousands of American lives? How about if it was the city where your son or daoughter was attending college? Or where your parents live? To me, if that means dunking some terrorist's head under water or withholding a little food or water to convince him to talk, or even a battery connection to the testicles - I say, "Remember, guys: it's red on positive and black on negative!"

Rant over.

Ya'll have a nice weekend now, ya hear?

-- Posted by LittleMac on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 4:45 PM

That's funny, LittleMac, my hubby got his for his 16th birthday, wrapped it around a telephone poll in Paducah doin' god only knows what a week later, been sittin' in a field every since, well until now...that's why it is now half a car...it will be pretty when she runs......someday...lol.

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 4:56 PM

Turnip

have a nice weekend...:)

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 5:23 PM

Rick, thanks, you too! :)

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 5:41 PM

Just

When your wrong, you immediately start personally attacking the other poster. Anyone else notice this?

If you can't respectfully and intelligently debate or discuss an issue, why should I interact with your personna?

I tire of doing your research and work for you. And I tire of your constant slander. If it were done with the least bit of witticism....but it drips with hypocrisy and pretense.

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 8:29 AM

Theorist, I thnk we've all noticed this. I very rarely read his posts now or respond to him or his crap. If you ignore him, he'll find someone new to pester. He's harmless and pesty - kinda like a gnat (I'm not saying he's a gnat as he's the only one allowed to call names...it's just what he reminds me of). He thinks he knows it all and when he's wrong, he can't stand it and then resorts to calling you names he thinks will bug you (again like a pest LOL). It's rather childlike (I'm not saying he's a child...only that what he does is childlike - again, he's the only one who can call names). Cycle sometimes joins in and makes a crack (attack) then to. He's also predictable and easy to ignore.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 5:41 PM

suelynn, i sure hope u don't mind my antics towards JUMEMY & Cycle, as I'm sure I can be a lil' immature at times? I must admit, my fav moment to date was today: funny, funny!!!

I'm dropping it Turnip, enough already.

-- Posted by socialism_kills_cyclists on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 8:55 AM

still laughing....

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 6:04 PM

Northwoods , some of your posts are torture....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 10:12 PM

...but you say "There is NO justification for torture"...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 10:58 PM

Rick, r u stirring shat.....:)~

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:31 PM

Parsnips, I was looking for you on Broadway. ;o) *hiccup*

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:34 PM

Turnip

i wouldn't do that dontchaknow...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:48 PM

Meg, I was n Cape, had some Dexter bbq. plus I was snoopin' around Ranney trying to spot some 'drama'! btw, not a good idea to b driving around slowly w/tinted windows in that part of town on a friday night, people kept nodding at me, what the heck does that mean??? lol

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:49 PM

Means you're "one of them" Hmm in Cape? Are you a Jacksonite??

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:50 PM

Means you're "one of them" Hmm in Cape? Are you a Jacksonite??

do what, come again??? have u been drinking...lol!

Rick, don't worry, we're just teasing...perhaps one day we can ALL meet for lunch in a VERY PUBLIC place with LOTS of people/witnesses...lol! :)

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:54 PM

Yes, been drinking. You said they were nodding at you, I said...it must mean you're one of them. You said you were in Cape, I asked if you are a Jacksonite.

Speaking of SO Lunches, I think I might be up for next Friday.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:56 PM

Oh, sorry brain f*a*r*t...I got it, born and raised in Cape...moved to Jackson in 2002. though my loyalty is still w/the tigers...for now! :)

OMG...u can't say that...f*a*r*t...but I can spell hell, it's just silly.

-- Posted by Turnip on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:57 PM

*sigh* another defector. This is the rubbish I'm talking about Parsnips, we've let the newbies run us out. What year did you graduate? 1985 here.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 12:00 AM

1993

-- Posted by Turnip on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 12:07 AM

LOL! Young en'!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 12:08 AM

The Saturday SO is not posted yet, so I will post here.

Welcome Operation Northwoods! It is always refreshing to encounter a kindred spirit, especially on a forum dominated by sorry old proponents of the welfare / warfare state. Everytime a friend of liberty posts on here they see more of their worn out grip slipping away and step up their sad rhetoric.

There is a power shift happening in this country. The liberty movement is gaining momentum by the minute. More and more people are realizing that they have been duped their entire lives by the false choice that is the two party system.

Individuals who have been silenced by the bully pulpit of the Democrat / Republican Party are finding like voices and are finally speaking up. There are a great number of us who still believe in individual freedom, constitutional government, sound money, free markets, and a noninterventionist foreign policy.

There are some good people that post on here on a regular basis. You will soon get to know them. As long as we continue to practice our rights guaranteed by the First Amendment on forums like this, writing letters to the editor, and making our voices heard via on line blogs and contacting our representatives, this country will soon return to it's foundation which is rooted in liberty.

Welcome, Operation Northwoods! Keep up the good work!

-- Posted by Lumpy on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 8:59 AM

Socialism-kills-cyclist said a few days back in response to my comment about homosexuality being learned and not a choice.

"Really Wolf? Did you wake up one morning and say "hey, I think I would really like some pus*y and want to pursue getting a nice piece of as* from that hot little chick in my third hour English Comp class"?

I guess up until that point you were asexual.

NO little Man with a little mind, I did NOT.

Rather I LEARNED very early on that sexual relations should ALWAYS be between a Man and Woman! Frankly Son, I was paying attention something you know VERY little about.

Perhaps you should refrain from commenting when you know very little about the subject. Oh wait!,

that would mean you should NEVER post a comment.

Keep your childish and vulgar remarks to yourself

It only helps substantiates that your a little man with a little mind!

Sorry It took so long to respond but unlike you,

I have to work for a living and can't collect welfare!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 9:35 AM

Greywolf,

My cousin was raised the same way as were his three brothers and sister. He is gay and they are straight.

-- Posted by RA on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 10:01 AM

Good morning, everyone! Looks like another beautiful, warm day! I have to admit, I broke last night, turned the A/C on...I just couldn't take it anymore...am i weenie or what? lol

-- Posted by Turnip on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 10:03 AM

I have that in my family as well, two brothers, not mine but in the family, one is gay, the other is straight...go figure. both nice young men. I do think some are born that way, for others it is a choice. What's ur perspective TripleS, I got urs Wolf! :)

-- Posted by Turnip on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 10:06 AM

Turnip,

I am closer to your opinion than Greywolf's. My educational background is in the behavioral sciences, Sociology, Psychology and related subjects and my professional career involved dealing with criminal behavior, substance abuse, mental illness and combinations in which one of my job components involved compiling "social" or "family histories" through the use of interviews, assessment instruments and so on and developing "treatment plans" and other recommendations.

Even with all of that, I am still often at a loss as to why people do the things they do or why they are the way they are due to the contradictions you and I have both mentioned. I am now retired and don't study this issue as much as I once did and so I am unsure how the changing societal reaction to homosexuality has or will affect the dynamics.

-- Posted by RA on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 10:22 AM

...kind of early for the AC , it's only 70 degrees out ..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 10:23 AM

TripleS, interesting u would point that out, I watched Flashpoint last night and found myself thinking does every show end with a definite reason as to why these criminals act this way...as u pointed out in 'real life' many times there is not a reason. Human psychology, nature vs. nuture...compelling stuff. :)

Rick, but it was 80 n my house...TOO HOT, I said I was a weenie when it comes to heat. :)~ btw, thank you! ;)

-- Posted by Turnip on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 10:38 AM

Turnip....u must be hot blooded

too much attention gets paid as to whether someone is gay or not , does it really matter?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 10:49 AM

Turnip,

It is far more comforting to believe there is a reason for criminal or aberrant behavior than to accept the fact that it is more often than not a mystery. If we can point to a "reason", we can address the root causes, but if not...

I once did a report for my Department on several counties in which I collected Census Bureau data in several counties in SE Missouri and tried to draw a correlation on rates of incarceration and changes in population density and rates of employment/job opportunities in an attempt to explain the increased prison population and need for services; there was often an inverse relationship. I believe that human behavior is the result of so many different things that we will never figure it out.

-- Posted by RA on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 10:52 AM

Homsexuality is a LEARNED behavior!..Humans are not born with many instincts other than the instinct of survival and sucking.lets define instinct: Instinct is the inherent disposition of a living organism toward a particular behavior.

If a human was born being homosexual then he or she would already know what their private parts are for. I will not elaborate further as I believe the previous sentence speaks for itself.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 10:59 AM

Rick,

No Rick, I don't think it should make any difference one way or the other. I am only expressing my opinion on how someone's sexual identity is or might be formed one way or the other. I have homosexual relatives and worked with quite a few and as with heterosexuals, there are "good" and "bad".

-- Posted by RA on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 11:00 AM

Rick...or spoiled...;)~

Wolf, now u keep posting that 'sucking' instinct, u know i'm a lil' sassy..and it's getting harder to ignore...;)~

seriously, some believe that the first encounter boys have with their sexuality is thru their mother, as they grow, their development grows. daughters - fathers, whose to say that doesn't get twisted, somehow...their feelings are directed towards the same sex....is this BAD, no, u can't help the way u feel..then 'society' plays a role, family in nurturing 'said' child..or not. am I making sense?

on a lighter note, a have a toddler whom is a boy, he has been fascinated with his 'pe*is' from the word go.....I did not tell him to be this way...on the fence as to how much I discourage said behavior...point is u men have been fascinated with your 'pe*is' since conception, i bet some ultrasounds could even prove that theory...;)~

i can't believe proper anatomy is banned....this and late postings is really starting to tick me off....

-- Posted by Turnip on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 11:15 AM

TripleS

some folks are switch hitters , they go both ways..

never have to worry about getting a date , dontchaknow!

are these folks born this way or what?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 11:17 AM

No, Rick...that would be 'freaks' as refered to by 'rapers' it seems they have bigger issues than their sexuality like commitment. lol

-- Posted by Turnip on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 11:22 AM

Wolf, it would be really hard to determine what a child is born with, as many mommies can tell u, our lil' ones had likes/dislikes in the womb, perhaps DNA determines more than you think...just a thought!

-- Posted by Turnip on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 11:25 AM

Turnip, First of all I appologise for over using the word sucking.

I am not trying to condemn gays. The lifestyle that they have chosen for themselves is their choice and as long as they do not throw it in my face I have no problem with it. This subject began with a discussion about same sex marriage.

I am of the opinion that it is wrong and should never be accepted as the norm. Some folks think that homosexuality is normal when in fact it is very far from it. Less than 3 percent of the American population is gay. There is nothing normal about that. Marriage is between a man and a woman and well defined as such. If this country accepts gay behavior and same sex marriage as normal than I believe this Country is destined to fall apart at the seams! JMO

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 11:32 AM

Turnip, I was raised with 5 brothers and I helped raise my two boys. Trust me when I tell you that ALL little boys love to play with their Penial.

If you had something like that hanging between your legs you would probably play with it too!

Frankly speaking, I don't think boys ever quit playing with it and some even give it a name.

Mommies have been known to help with that!!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 11:38 AM

excellent point, Wolf...his is "my pkg."; the first time he walked up to me completely naked(w/company in the house/not family) and said "look, Mommy, my pkg. is big"; I about died...lol oh, i love boys! :)

-- Posted by Turnip on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 11:45 AM

Turnip,

I have a grand daughter who is as bad as your toddler about "self entertainment". I do think boys are more inclined to this sort of thing.

Greywolf,

You may be interested in reading some of Dr. William Glaser's articles or books or Reality Therapy as he believes all human behavior/conditions are the result of choice including mental illness. I obviously don't believe this way, but have found his principals of therapy to be pretty effective.

I hope all this makes sense, having trouble typing one handed.

-- Posted by RA on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 11:51 AM

Rick,

I honestly don't know. I kind of tend to take the Sam Kinnison approach to this as far as definitions and there is no way to describe it without getting banned if you are not family with Kinnison's work.

-- Posted by RA on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 11:54 AM

Turnip

...if u weren't suppose to play with it , ur arms wouldn't reach!!

seriously , i agree with Wolf...all little boys are fascinated with their toy...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 11:55 AM

Little Man Tate!

-- Posted by Lumpy on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 12:03 PM

TripleS, why one handed?? accide...uhhh...nevermind. u naughty boy...i knew u had in ya! :)~

i'm out boys...places to go, people to see...money to spend..have a good day! :)

BTW, Whomever is in charge of updating SO needs to get off their ars and do it already...

-- Posted by Turnip on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 12:36 PM

re: the homosexuality debate... if it's "learned" behavior how can gay animals be explained? it's not like they watch will and grace.

then, on the flip side (being born that way) there's the "research" and discussion about genetic defects, etc. and the fear that if the gay gene ever gets "discovered" parents may start opting testing for such. i came across this article that has some other links about the subject http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archive...

-- Posted by TommyStix on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 1:00 PM

Tommy,

All other animals on this planet with the exception of dolphins, do NOT enjoy sex for any other reason than to reproduce. Their instincs are FAR greater than ours in almost every case. We humans on the other hand will have sex at anytime whether the female is fertile or not for no other reason but pleasure. Other species are triggered by the female,

only when she is ready to conceive. or in simple terms "in heat". These animals use smell and taste as well as sounds to alert the male she is ready. I would think if these triggers are strong enough animals will try to hump anything available. Humans (at least none I know) do that.

Nor do dolphins! If indeed a human does it ( hump anything) its abnormal.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 5:33 PM

Good evening. I can't believe SO has not been updated yet, I think we may b arsed out for today...

-- Posted by Turnip on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 5:51 PM

..Turnip , were u lookin' for something impaticular on the new SO update ?...is it something i can help u with ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 6:39 PM

Operation Northwoods,

I was talking to Timexx over at The Mud House and they are planning to show those movies again soon. I missed them too.

I still don't trust Glenn Beck. I am slowly coming around though. He continues to promote the warfare state, but not with not as much braggidocio as he once did. I haven't heard his stance on the torture issue. He does feature some very good guests including Ron Paul. As long as he keeps trying I will give him a chance.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 6:47 PM

nah, Rick, just some 'new' material...maybe :)

-- Posted by Turnip on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 7:23 PM

SWINE FLU..... world health officials warned could become a global epidemic

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/25/swi...

oh, good grief....we got mosquitos in SEMO people...those lil' blood sucking bas*ards carry the West Niles Virus...in Advance they've been known to carry small dogs off....

-- Posted by Turnip on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 7:45 PM

...i always heard the swine flu was an uncontrolable desire to ferk in the mud...do they have mud in Mexico or just sand ??

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 8:03 PM

Rick, mud, clay, sand...i'm sure they got it all....somewhere.

-- Posted by Turnip on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 10:02 PM

Sex Saturdays?

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 11:10 PM


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