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Speak Out 3/17/09

Tuesday, March 17, 2009

Everyone is bullied

EVERY kid gets bullied at school. I got bullied. Just like you get pampered at home, you get bullied at school. It helps you become who you are. Character, that's what is about. Deal with it and quit whining.

Voting for spending

U.S. Rep. Jo Ann Emerson has voted for the $410 billion of new spending with over 8,000 pork projects. She is one of only 16 Republicans to do so. She also was at the White House talking about health care. It seems to be a sure bet she'll vote for socialized medicine. The only time she is conservative is when she is asking for our vote. She and other free-spending Republicans are why we are in the mess. Would some good conservative please step up and run?

Change the tune

I'M getting tired of all these articles on the Opinion page putting the president down. Give him a chance. What is the matter with your paper? Also, I am sick of reading about Rush Limbaugh.

Military option

I'M calling about kids dropping out of high school. Any kid who decides to drop out should automatically have to join the military for four years.

Give him a break

IF President Obama fails, you starve — after you lose your home. Do you still want to follow Rush Limbaugh off that cliff? Lay off Obama. He's busy, and it's possible that all the static he's getting from unrealistic and somewhat dim citizens is bogging down his work. Obama inherited a broken and hemorrhaging economy. Problems of this magnitude take years, possibly decades, to repair. Give him an opportunity to help.

Conservative policies

"FOLLOW the money" is an adage that is used to get to the truth of a crisis. Almost all of the big financial institutions that have been bailed out the past six months have been led by Ivy League types who think they are destined to have all of our hard-earned dollars and who also happen to be the biggest donors to the Democratic Party. No wonder there has been such a rush to bail them out. Don't for a minute think that the Democratic Party gives a hoot about me and you when they tell us that it is for our own good that we bail out the banks. It is for their own good and for the good of their party. Conservative investors are in much better shape than their liberal counterparts, and by and large conservative investors tend to be conservative in their politics too.

Hate it, love it

I hate pork or, as it's euphemistically called, earmarks. Porkulous-filled bills make my blood boil. However, I need some reassurance. Will we get our fair share?

On the school bus

I'VE worked in schools. I've been on buses. Believe the bus driver. Students do not behave on the bus. It takes nerves of steel to drive those buses and put up with the students.

No test explanation

I have lived in Jackson all my life and experienced the tornado of 2003 firsthand. I find security in the fact that Jackson installed weather sirens, but I think this safety feature is being abused. On March 8, there was a reason for sounding the alarms for reported funnel touchdowns in surrounding areas. But on March 10, the system was used and possibly panicked many residents. Fifteen minutes after the sirens were turned off I found out it was a test, but nothing announced this test. No one came on TV to announce what happened was a test or even a message after the tornado warning on Channel 11 said it was a test. I understand the city wants to make sure everything is properly working, but tests need to be announced before they occur.

Another state?

SOMEONE predicted the breakup of the U.S. I think just the opposite, and I'm thrilled to death about it. I predict that in the near future we will proudly have as a new state with the mutually voluntary admission into the union of Mexico.

Fred's photos

I have always enjoyed Southeast Missourian photographer Fred Lynch's images. It is good to see that he is still with the Southeast Missourian. There was another photographer (last name McBride) early on in Fred's career. My first encounters with these photographers were when they used to do a weekly feature on the paper delivery people. The "Past Pics" blog on semissourian.com is awesome, and I'm looking forward to more of them.

Cause of congestion

PARENTS who take their children to South Elementary School in Jackson shouldn't complain about traffic congestion. They're the cause of the congestion. Put little Bobby or Sally on the big yellow bus. Quit asking the Missouri Department of Transportation or the city to solve this problems.


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Every politician in history has endorsed "pork"; it is all a matter of who is getting the pork. If improving the lives of most Americans, improving the quality of education, or improving health services, I say, "Please, pass the pork!"

-- Posted by iago1 on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 6:47 AM

If improving the lives of most Americans, improving the quality of education, or improving health services, I say, "Please, pass the pork!"

-- Posted by iago1 on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 5:47 am CDT

Ah, but therein lies the rub.

-- Posted by RA on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 7:02 AM

Watch this near DVD high quality You Tube video about Obama called the Obama Deception and tell me that we should give him what he wants. Pass it on to everyone you know. ( this video also slams Republicans at times as it should ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwa...

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 7:33 AM

RE: Voting for spending - Instead of a "conservative", the kind of candidate that the MO 8th Congressional District deserves is one who will swear to uphold and defend the Constitution. In other words, a classic "liberal".

The question is, can the voters of this District reject the false choice that is the two-party system, and listen to and consider what may be a third party or independent candidate?

iago1,

I argue that while pork may appear to increase the life quality of the many; we are still trading temporary comfort for permanent loss of a freedom, while also decreasing the life quality of those who must pay for the pork.

To you I say, trust the government; Sitting Bull did!

-- Posted by Lumpy on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 8:57 AM

Good morning, Happy St. Patricks Day! I hope u all have green on so u won't get pinched! :)~

Everyone is bullied...yea, let it go afterall...it is mostly people whom have been bullied/teased in school who go on to commit mass murders. MORON!

Change the tune...I am sick of reading about Rush Limbaugh...agreed! :)

Military option...kids who dropout must join military, hmmm..interesting concept, probably would have worked for me, I mean I would have stayed in school! :)~

Conservative policies...led by Ivy League types, the biggest donors to the Democratic Party....what?

It takes nerves of steel to drive those buses and put up with the students.....I could see that, pile my whole family in my van and I'm reaching for a xanax..LOL! :)

No test explanation......READ the paper....they announced those drills for like a week beforehand. I do believe someone spotted a funnel cloud n Gordonville the day the sirens went off, close enough for me, time enough to prepare...so zippie!

Cause of congestion..PARENTS..enuff said! :)~

Another beautiful day n the neighborhood...enjoy!

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 9:30 AM

Turnip

i'm wearing my green boxers , does that count ??

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 9:48 AM

Infowarrior,

By all means, view the video. It has some useful information in it. Just remember it is presented and twisted for effect by Alex Jones, conspiracy theorist and reported supporter of David Koresh. He is only trying to make a living, right?

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 9:53 AM

Theorist,

What is your beef with David Koresh? Do you believe that sad fairy tale, propegated by the most un-Constitutional Dept of Justice in US history: Janet Reno her jackbooted, skinhead ATF agents?

-- Posted by Lumpy on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 10:13 AM

" Military option " Perhaps you are uninformed. You cannot enlist in the Military without a GED or High School diploma. There is also a quota on how many GED holders the military will allow. So a drop out is just out of luck.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 10:32 AM

Rick, green is green, man....u still may get pinched unless u wear ur pants down to ur ankles..this is pretty popular these days......then u'll probably b alright! :)~

Lumpy...r u a Koresh supporter, do u feel those people voluntarily followed him to their deaths? I'm not interested in engaging the Reno theory or the actions of the ATF but merely Koreshs' logic and those of his followers....

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 10:57 AM

Lumpy...

Oh, I don't know, maybe because he got away with MURDER (George Rodin) multiple times, sexual abuse, arson etc. and his stupid legacy inspired other such outstanding individuals such as Timothy McVay....

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 11:01 AM

Some BATF officers went shooting with David Koresh a short time before the raid. He could have been arrested then or could have been arrested in Waco while he was in town. At that time he was unarmed.

The attack was for show and got out of hand. The news media was informed before the attack took place. The Branch Davidians were informed of the attack by a worker delivering mail.

David Koresh had not violated any state or local laws before the attack according to the county sheriff.

David was believed to be in possession of automatic weapons is why the BATF attack took place. None were found that I know of. The FBI relieved the BATF and were the ones who killed 80 men, women and children.

The Democrats in Congress refused to admit any evidence that would suggest that the BATF and FBI were in the wrong.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 11:43 AM

Socialism kills,

Like many, I served with several individuals who DID NOT enlist as a volunteer. They were drafted just like myself! Your comment talks down to all of us who served

in the 60s and early seventies. We may not have volunteered but I am proud of my service as is everyone who has ever served. I wouldn't have traded any one of them for a volunteer. I guess we can count on you to run and hide if the draft is ever reinstated, can't we?!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 11:51 AM

Turnip

reckon i'm safe just wearing these boxers all day then..

Koresh was a genius of the bad ilk...like Charlie Manson...Adolph Hitler...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 11:58 AM

Rick: What crime did David Koresh commit?

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 12:06 PM

Hilleco

dunno if he commited a crime or not...he had the unique

power to get folks to follow and believe him ...

did he not shoot first at the compound ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 12:11 PM

HIlleco,

The official report says the following:

"Who fired the first shot on February 28th cannot decisively be resolved given the limited testimony presented to the Subcommittees. It appears more likely, however, that the Davidians fired first as the ATF agents began to enter the residence."

"No shots were fired from the helicopters at the Branch Davidian residence."

"Koresh sexually abused minor females at the residence."

"It also appears certain that Koresh employed severe physical punishments as a means of disciplining the children."

"On April 19th&multiple fires began in different places inside the Branch Davidian residence and that they were deliberately set by the Davidians themselves."

"Some opportunity existed for the Davidians to safely leave the structure had they wanted to do so.

This is only from the WACO incident....google the guy for more information into his illustrious past (not!)

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 12:14 PM

Vernon Howell (aka david Koresh) was being served a search warrant and he refused! Thats a big no no.

He also purchased a huge arsenal of weapons and several

thousand rounds of ammo. He also purchased the necessary parts to make many of his ak47 and m16 rifles fully automatic. Thats another big no no. He abused children and considered himself Jesus in flesh.

Although I am truely sorry for the outcome that took place those many days in Waco, but he had the power to end it at any time. His decision caused this tragedy and his alone! He got the "war" he wanted and now he rots in hell.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 12:32 PM

What the attack and the FBI follow up proved was that Democrats were no fan of liberty as they once pointed out. As far as I am concerned, they slaughtered 80 men, women and children and refused testimony at the hearings that contradicted the FBI report. A sad day for America.

GREYWOLF: Why didn't they serve him with the warrant when when they were out shooting with him? Why did they endanger the lives of the women and children when they could have served him with a warrant when he was in Waco.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 12:53 PM

Cyclist,

Thanks for agreeing, and admitting to it...

Now, I wonder as a member of the armed services, what your Commander and Chief would think about your Avatar....just saying.....

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 12:54 PM

GREYWOLF: According to the county sheriff's report, there was no abuse of children when investigated. I take it that you support the ban on assault weapons and how many guns and ammo one is allowed.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 12:57 PM

Hilleco...David Koresh was a monster, the things he led "his followers" to believe was crap, the way he treated those same people was terrible. He hid behind those same women and children like a coward, he too, could have released them or surrendered. Same with all of those "cults", those people r brainwashed into thinking their leaders way, have u not seen any of the interviews with "former" members....that one "cult" in Texas that was recently raided and their children taken practically own that entire town...including the law enforcement...

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 12:59 PM

"Military option....horrible idea. I do not want someone next to me who did not VOLUNTEER to be there.

Gee Socialism kills, what would you call this comment?

I rest my case! Again, this comment is ridiculous and NO my foot is not in my mouth however, yours may be!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 1:01 PM

Cycle, u crack me up...u r clearly backstepping...how can u b so proud to wear the uniform "part-time" but yet be so quick to bash the very same establishment that writes ur checks.....and then hide behind the right....??? geez...

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 1:12 PM

Cycle, I'm just saying...you seem to have a general lack of disrespect for people.....and a strangely obsessive respect for uniforms.........in my opinion, of course....lol

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 1:17 PM

sorry that should have been...a lack of respect for people.......

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 1:19 PM

more than HALF MY LIFE has been spent in service to this country.

-- Posted by socialism_kills_cyclists on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 12:10 pm CDT

I thought you were in the Reserves....weekend warrior? So half your life may be an exaggeration...none the less....if I knew your commanding officer, I would report your declamatory avatar. I have no doubt that the USAR would not like it.

Thanks for your service anyway. I think you mean well....sigh...

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 1:23 PM

yea, yea...been here/done that...I, unlike u, respect ur opinion but see it as just that...I also have respect for people n our military, whether drafted, choice, career, whatever...i do have a lil' issue with the way young men and women are "bribed" to enlist...I have heard only the bad I'm sure... ok..change of subject...how is VegRoot different from Meathead????? i'm serious......

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 1:24 PM

I have a disrespect for those on the left as I see them as subversive to what the United States SHOULD stand for.

-- Posted by socialism_kills_cyclists on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 12:19 pm CDT

Cycle....why can't they just be ignorant, similiar to how that video posted earlier implied?

ignorant definition | Dictionary.com

adjective . 1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man. 2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics

just so were clear...some like to play wordy-durds...anyway, doesn't some "law" say we should protect the ignorant and the weak....don't be such a hater. And u do exaggerate ALOOOOOT! :) Earth hour...28th...it's coming....:)~

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 1:32 PM

IMO: u should change ur nickname to "Socialism_killed_Cyclist"...LOL!

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 1:35 PM

Cycle, You may have served and are still serving in the Army reserves but you missed a VERY IMPORTANT tool

you were taught in the Military, and its called RESPECT. Frankly speaking, I have read most of your post and your disrespect for our Commander and Chief

tells me what I need to know about you and your service as a army gaurdsman. As for 22 years of service

I thank you for that. However, my original post concerned the draft. Believe me when I tell you we are not too far from another one, and if you are transfered to Active duty after what you posted here, I would be a bit hesitant to have you in my bunker or on my patrol. That being said, perhaps you should be still a while and show some respect to others as well as your elder veterans!!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 1:50 PM

I was in the service when people were drafted. I would say that they made just as good as soldiers as those that volunteered. I volunteered. Vietnam was a waste as with any other war, in my opinion.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 1:58 PM

Cycle..as previously stated I could care less what u call me, but ur point was taken, VegRoot/Turnip, no matter.

I personally was not debating whether u could legally partake in such conversation; I was stating that it shows something much deeper than the uniform...above the laws of man...r u smellin' what I'm steppin in'?

JUMEMY..clearly u must b in the reservists or whatever...good for u, man & I think I may recall a fued or two in the past....u should refer to my posts earlier today as far as my opinion and my beliefs on this subject....btw...let's not get all nasty and excite Rick by posting names and commanding officers and such...geez...he's still a lil' jumpy from the 13th! sou-ey! :)~

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 2:32 PM

For the Alex Jones skeptics who parrot every cliché' every put out about the man would just go back and look at all of his videos on Google video and write down what he said, they would find that his analysis of future events was correct all but a few times. Especially watch his Police State video series which he first put out in 1999. Everything he was ridiculed about then is now common place.

No one is omnipotent, but he got it right more often than Limbaugh, CNN, FOX and all the other news media. They could have gotten it right too, but they are nothing but megaphones for the New World Order system, and were not allowed to tell the truth.

Jones predicted exactly what would happen to the economy a few years ago and we are living it now. Foolish me listened to him, did my own research and pulled most of my money out of my 401K and other stock accounts and converted it to gold, silver,and other safe instruments. That move nearly tripled my money.

I know most of you are hurting with the collapse of your retirement, so I didn't say that to brag but just to prove a point. You are constantly being lied to by all of the MSM.

Last July 28th when oil was $147 a barrel, Alex Jones had Lindsey Williams on his radio show who told us that oil would drop under $50 within a few months. We all can see this prediction was accurate.Listen to this amazing interview with Alex. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uFurvg_A...

You can blow off Alex Jones all you want, but he is mostly right and so are most of his guests who would never be allowed on the other news gab shows. I had relatives and friends who nearly disowned me for giving them Alex Jones and other Patriot videos over the last 10 years. Now they are calling me asking for advice on how to prepare for whats coming. This is a picnic now compared to future events.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 2:36 PM

The Branch Davidians were the victims of a raid and seige attack, perpetrated by Bill Clinton's Justice Dept in which Janet Reno was the Attorney Gen.

On Feb. 28, 1993, the BD's Mt. Carmel complex near Waco, TX was raided by federal agents, 15 members of the US military, and three unmarked Army helicopters in order to serve a search warrent accusing the BD's of not paying taxes on machine guns that they had a legal licence to convert from semi-automatic rifles.

When David Koresh answered the door to the compound, the federal agents opened fire on the building, killing five Davidians, including one child.

4 BATF agents who entered the building through the roof to throw hand grendades into the complex were also killed. A jury aquitted four Davidians in 1994 of conspiracy to murder these agents.

At that point, Clinton ordered a quazi-military seige of the compound. For 41 days the FBI, the Texas National Guard, and the Army Reserves encircled the building, and engaged in psychological warfare, illegally cut off the building's electric supply, and blocked all means of electronic communication.

At one point, Koresh agreed to surrender, but backed out when the FBI refused to comply with their end of the bargain.

On April 19, Janet Reno approved a 568-page assault plan that included armored Bradley fighting vehicles to bust the compound's exterior walls to that the FBI could inject flammable gas grenades throughout the building. Federal agents were ordered to shoot any Davidians attempting to flee.

Realize that this plan was executed on a day when the winds topped 30 mph, and that the FBI refused to allow local fire departments near the scene.

The use of Bradley tanks was also the first time since the Civil War that the federal government used tanks on Americans!

The result was that 86 innocent Americans were murdered by the federal government!

I won't address the cover-up unless I get called out by the fools who believe it.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 2:42 PM

InfoWarrior,

I agree with your assessment of Alex Jones. Jones has elevated his craft above the futile Democrat / Republican argument that has ruined this country. This is why he is verbally abused by the ignorant, and the government microphone in the media.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 2:51 PM

Lumpy....

I agree that some innocent lives were lost and it is shameful that Koresh who could have prevented that, did not. You have read the report from the media who were actually there? You can't get more factual and unbiased information than from the horrified observers.

Are you familiar with Koresh's past? You do realize he killed for power before? What about the testimony from the little girl (12) who said Koresh molested her and then read from the Bible to her? And you stand up for this man????

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 2:55 PM

Socialism kills,

You said, "According to DOD Directive 1344.10 (which I provided a link to earlier), I have every right to express my opinion of the Commander-IN- Chief and the other "idiots" currently running this country.

Of course you do. Problem is, you do it with little or NO respect. Another example of your disrespect would be your calling "turnip" veg root! All I am

saying is you have some issues showing others respect.

Give it a try and I am sure you will be rewarded.

Again, thanks for your service. Oh and thanks for the wordage correction on the Commander IN Chief. Please don't tell us your also the wording and spelling police too!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 3:19 PM

Lumpy, as stated earlier I have no interest in what happened the day after the seige BUT David Koresh by all accounts was a disturbed individual who could not play well with others, probably bullied as a child. The group in question was banished from their original sector years prior to the standoff, those people could have left or should have been able to leave...he believed he was a Mosiah......what exactly are u standing up for? His right to control and play mind games with ignorant people..don't u protest the same thing with our current government?

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 3:24 PM

Theorist,

Oh well, here we go...

Autopsy results reveled that most of the deaths on April 19, 1993 were the result of inhaling the burning CS gas that the US military injected into the building.

The women and 24 children who were hiding in the underground caverns, were crushed to death by the Bradley tanks entering the compound.

All of this evidence was hidden by the Justice Dept for six years after the event in an attempt to blame Koresh for setting the compound on fire.

As far as the child abuse allegations against Koresh: Janet Reno herself determined that these accusations were false BEFORE the seige plan was executed on April 19, 1993.

Janet Reno had a previous history of trumping up child abuse allegations against innocent individuals during her stint as Flordia Attorney General. I ask you to Google the names Frank Fuster and Grant Snowden.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 3:27 PM

Thanks, Wolf...that's nothing, though...last week he called me a f*ck*n C*nt, if u can believe that..fyi..he hates being called a meathead...go figure! lol!

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 3:29 PM

lumpy...."were hiding in the underground caverns"...Koresh & HIS following, had just moved there in the last 2 years but they had caverns...doesn't this sound a lil' EXTREME to you, similiar to that of terroists?

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 3:34 PM

Turnip,

So, according to your opinion not sharing your toys as a child, starting an offshoot branch of a commonly recognized mainstream religion (Seventh Day Aventist Church), calling yourself God, and being a well rounded douchebag is grounds enough for the federal government to inject your home with flamable poison gas, ram it's walls with tanks, and then to shoot all your friends and family who tried to flee?

I hear they are looking for an heir to Castro in Cuba.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 3:36 PM

Waco was a show of force by Clinton and Field Marshall Janet Reno and her illegally commandeered Army tanks from Ft. Hood. Hileco is right. They could have arrested Vernon Howell any time they wanted. He jogged un-armed everyday on the road in front of his home. I didn't agree with his and his followers lifestyle then but they probably didn't approve of mine either.

I am very well versed on the massacre at Waco. I have probably every book written and every video made about it. I have boxes of newspaper articles etc. I interviewed over a couple of days, David Thibodeau, who was one of the few survivors of the Clinton / Reno murders at Waco. I appeared with him on a round table discussion of Waco on C-Span book TV in 1999.

Most of the time when our government kills a bunch of our own citizens, there are few if any survivors who can tell the other side of the story.

Janet Reno and Bill Clinton authorized our military , who should have disobeyed the order,to pump CS Gas into the Dravidian's home. In Jan. 1993 just 3 months before Waco, the United States and 130 other countries signed a ban on the use of CS gas in warfare. Apparently Clinton and Reno figured that it was O.K. to use it against women and children in a closed building. The gas itself could have killed the infants by itself. Clinton and Reno in effect are war criminals.

Clinton / Reno and several other government officials should have been charged for murdering those people. And people still say that our military will not kill civilians if ordered to do so by the president. Hang on to your guns folks.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 3:38 PM

Lumpy...."starting an offshoot branch of a commonly recognized mainstream religion (Seventh Day Aventist Church), calling yourself God, and being a well"

...or three offshoot branches, c'mon..he was banned from every org he was a part of his whole life..his own church..that speaks volumes..it's like Cycle..if u see a pattern of "can't play well with others", u start to look at the source rather than all the "circumstances"..that's all...

Castro, ur a funny bunny...I got my suspicions about you as well....

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 3:39 PM

Hilleco, you said to me,

" I take it that you support the ban on assault weapons and how many guns and ammo one is allowed".

You know where I satnd on that issue. I do not support any such ban. My problem with Vernon Howell (David Koresh) is simple.

He bought hundreds of weapons and thousands of ammo as well as grenade launcher parts and pieces to fight the end of times war which he bended to suit himself and his narccisism. He convinced (how I don't know) his followers that the war would not be in Israel but instead right there in Waco. He armed himself for the wrong purpose at the wrong time. I do not condone any of the activities between the FBI or the Dividians!

It was a tragedy, but like I said, he had the power to end it from day one. If I was served with a search warrant I would obey the judges order and allow the search peacefully. I kind of think most here would.

As for automatic assault rifles, they remain illegal

and for that reason the warrant was issued. Whether or not any of us agree or disagree with the automatic assault rifle ban has no bearing on what should have happened that day which is, he should have surrendered

to the search. Please understand that I am not in any way condoning the FBI approach either. However, what happened in Waco Texas could have been avoided.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 3:44 PM

Turnip,

Do you ever watch the Sarah Silverman show? There is a really funny episode where she keeps running over guys who have long gray beards because she mistakes them for Osama Bin Laden.

Actually, I hope you've never seen that episode; it may give you an idea.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 3:44 PM

Thanks for backing me up about Alex Jones Lumpy.

As the government and the bankers keeps tightening the screws on the people, more of them will snap out of their foggy trance. I just hope there are enough to at least slow down the police state juggernaut.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 3:51 PM

Turnip,

You posted, "if u see a pattern of "can't play well with others", u start to look at the source rather than all the "circumstances"..that's all..."

So now you are advocating the Brain Police!

I used to think that your insatiable desire to witness the ruin of liberty, and your endless distribution of un-Constitutional propaganda could be attributed to a spongy foundation in the government's indoctrination program, otherwise known as the public school system.

Now, I'm not so sure.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 3:54 PM

As far as the child abuse allegations against Koresh: Janet Reno herself determined that these accusations were false BEFORE the seige plan was executed on April 19, 1993

Lumpy....the girl testified in court....LATER....after!

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 4:00 PM

Wolf,

The grenades found in the BD's Waco compound were found to be fake, empty casings.

The Branch Davidians had a lawful contract with a licensed gun dealer to assemble automatic rifles, from semi-automatic rifles.

Janet Reno's "case" against the BD's was that the Davidians were not paying taxes on these automatic rifles.

Reno conducted hyped up interviews through the media with former and disgruntled BD's who accused David Koresh of being a polygamist and child abusing cultist to buildup public support for the raid and seige.

Actually the raid and seige was codenamed Operation: Trojan Horse. This is how the concocted "search warrent" was to be served to the BD's.

It has been stated quite correctly that the feds had ample opportunity to arrest Koresh. So, why would Reno go through all the trouble of murdering over 90 innocent Americans, and covering up the evidence because of a tax?

The answer is that in 1993, Congress was about to dramatically cut funding to the BATF.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 4:10 PM

InfoWarrior..."jogged un-armed everyday on the road in front of his home..."; which side of the fence was he on?....lol..

Again, I say...Koresh, this man/delusions were not unfounded by many people...gas/banned..that's a whole different issue...thanks for the warning and I agree with the right to bear arms but I don't think the tanks r gonna come knockin' anytime soon, besides a 5' chain link ain't gonna hold 'em up much...although someone mentioned a moat????

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 4:11 PM

Theorist,

The Waco Massacre is still being covered up to this day. Reno finally fessed up to using "pyrotechnic devices" during the seige, but still denies starting the fire.

Did you google those names? By 1993, Reno was well versed in the subtleties of child abuse witch hunts.

Every government violation of civil rights needs a boogey man; his name was David Koresh in this case.

Who would support all that murder over an unpaid tax?

-- Posted by Lumpy on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 4:18 PM

You guys crack me up, I can't even remember all the funny shat, I'm still laughing though...Lumpster, as I have stated before many have tried, many have failed....lol!

HELLO...does anyone hear/see that he was a troubled individual and had radical beliefs and they had a freakin' bunker...lumpy, do u have a shelter?

R u going to disagree that most of these "cults" often victimize their followers and make weird family trees and that is illegal??? Love it or leave, abide by it or be gassed..i guess...sorry boys!

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 4:20 PM

Turnip wrote, " I agree with the right to bear arms but I don't think the tanks r gonna come knockin' anytime soon

You just keep telling yourself that.

Enough; I'm going out to enjoy the day!

-- Posted by Lumpy on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 4:22 PM

One more comment before I head out.

Not one of the allegations thrown at David Koresh have ever been tried in court of law by a jury of his peers.

It is easy to prosecute a dead man.

And cowardly!

It is also not illegal to be "radical". If it is then the gentleman I chose as my avatar would've met a similar fate.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 4:27 PM

Wow..a little scary in here for me today. I guess I'll go hide in a corner and rock myself.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 4:59 PM

I can see my point was not recieved well concerning David Koresh. To repeat, the entire thing could have been avoided if intelligent and level headed people had prevailed. Apparently there was none available.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 5:02 PM

Lumpy, no.....cowardly would be to hide behind women and children as I have already stated......ask your friend...sitting bull!

Furthermore, I do not need a court of law to tell me what is inappropriate behavior and what is not, i suppose we will have to agree to disagree, I hope u enjoyed the beautiful weather!

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 5:04 PM

OK, one more furthermore, it's not like they "the gov" stormed in their one day unannounced and shot gas and started a fire, this "situation" went on for how many hours, days, weeks..the answer is 51 days...their utilities were not cut off immediately either...again, u exaggerate when convenient but yet quick to pull out details on ur defense...LUMPY, c'mon...! Didn't I say I wasn't gonna discuss this part...shat....

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 5:08 PM

Lumpy and InfoWarrior were doing so well I hated to interrupt. CS gas when heated becomes nerve gas or acts like nerve gas, that was the reason for its banning. According to the FBI's photographer in the aftermath of the event, most of the bodies of the women and children suffered broken bones from slinging their arms and legs wildly about because of the nerve gas. Nerve gas is probably the most painful death known and that is why it is banned.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 5:17 PM

Well, u might as well, Hilleco, Lumpy took off...although i must admit im getting a headache.....lol

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 5:21 PM

socialism_kills_cyclists: I was just going by what the FBI agent said in his interview. If he was wrong, you should make the FBI aware of your findings.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 5:42 PM

Happy St.Pat's day to the Irish ...

is it true St.Pat chased all of the snakes out of

Ireland ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 5:43 PM

AH-HAH.....Hilleco, Lumpy, all of u other Koresh fans....if the "report" was wrong about that, one might ask what other "facts" could be wrong????

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 5:46 PM

The best part is when they run out and slam into a tree.

-- Posted by socialism_kills_cyclists on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 4:46 pm CDT

can I come and watch sometime....lol..u really have a twisted sense of humor, I like that.....

Rick, I dunno about the snakes but if it's true, send him my way, I gotta a whole lot of snakes n my yard.....

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 5:51 PM

Pilots should be allowed firearms. Knowing that they were armed would make me feel safer flying.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 6:05 PM

socialism_kills_cyclists: I reckon that we all had to go through tear gas training when in boot camp. But because you are an expert on banned nerve gas, I'll have to take your word for it.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 6:21 PM

"State report: Dangerous radicals might be Libertarians"

http://www.semissourian.com/article/2009...

Gads! We've been outted! Grab your guns!!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM

socialism_kills_cyclists: I was of the opinion that you were an expert on the Constitutionally banned nerve gas. As you know treaties are recognized as Constitutional law. I am glad that you cleared that up.

So, you did not use a flame on the CS gas to see its affect on recruits. The flame in connection with the CS gas causes an effect similar to nerve gas as reported by the FBI may in effect be true.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 6:58 PM

Here ya go, guys....another misunderstood individual...lol!

http://hosted2.ap.org/MOCAP/Article_2009...

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 7:03 PM

Hilleco, don't ya think they would have mentioned that in Cycles training......that it does not do well with fire....

-- Posted by Turnip on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 7:33 PM

Willy....you out there???

Let us in on where the Crappie are.....you got a secret???

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 7:43 PM

Re: St. Pat's

The story I've heard - which may be more fiction than fact - was that St. Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland, converting people whose former religion had something to do with snakes. Thus, he 'drove' the snakes out of Ireland.

The engineering students at one Missouri school were looking for a reason to blow off some steam between the Christmas and Easter breaks - and got to figurin' that anyone smart enough to drive the snakes out of Ireland just absolutely had to be an engineer. Thus, St. Patrick became the patron saint of engineering, and the students had their reason to throw a party.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 8:04 PM

Cycledude,

Former President G. W. Bush said he wants Obama to succeed and said it's important that he has that support. Talk-show host Rush Limbaugh has said he hoped Obama would fail.

"I love my country a lot more than I love politics," Bush said. "I think it is essential that he be helped in office."

It's sad you ("as a member of the Armed Services for over half your life") can't say the same or show the same respect.

-- Posted by allone on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 9:00 PM

Re: Hate it, Love it

Always get a chuckle whenever the term 'fair share' is used. How is 'fair' determined? Is it by population, by tax dollars paid in, by geographical square miles, by the number of toes on the left foot? Seems that 'fair' in many cases is viewed as below-average dollars given up and above-average dollars received.

'Reasonable' is another term that leaves me baffloozled. One example is the phrase 'health care at reasonable costs'. Just what is 'reasonable' in terms of actual dollars per month? What level of health care is expected for these reasonable dollars - cutting edge state-of-the-art, or any and all services and rheumatiz medicine that Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies can provide?

Re: No test explanation

Suggest one solution to be that if the sirens sound for a real alarm, then if a test was scheduled within a week afterward - the test would be postponed until the next regular time.

Re: Military option

Do we really want high school dropouts in positions of having access to weapons of destruction? It's obvious that their decision-making abilities have already been proven as being not too keen.

Re: Change the tune

Or, as Bob Seger once said - turn the page. I hear there's some new funnies on the comics page :-)~

Re: Cause of congestion

Hmmm, it seems that Notre Dame High School got its turn lane, flashing 40mph lights, 50mph speed limit, and subsequent cobbling of Rt. K traffic without all the ruckus. Isn't there enough 'fair share' to go around?

-- Posted by fxpwt on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 9:06 PM


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