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Speak out 3/11/08

Tuesday, March 11, 2008

Wages and prices

I'M getting tired of going to the store and hearing people complain about higher prices. Do people think you can raise the minimum wage and prices will go down? Most people voted to raise the minimum wage, which means most people voted for higher prices.

Higher gas taxes

THERE are some proposals in Congress to punish gasoline companies by raising taxes. We all know that gas costs too much. Punishing the gas companies won't make it better. If you charge more taxes, gas will cost more. We don't want to pay more.

Teaching credentials

I Can see allowing someone to teach without teaching credentials if schools are short of teachers, but only then. I can probably teach certain things, but I couldn't teach math. You would have to have testing for teachers. My hat is off to teachers. If new teachers can be hired, then by all means hire them. But get teachers with credentials, because they have earned it.

No deer hunting

THE WHOLE purpose of deer hunting in town is because the deer cause accidents and eat soybeans and other plants. A person is stupid to believe that, just because city officials tell you not to drink alcohol while hunting, hunters are going to obey that rule. I say no to deer hunting.

Too official

REGARDING THE proposal to make Budweiser Missouri's official beer: Is Curt Dougherty a fool? What is our state cigarette going to be? The official state whiskey, vodka and gin? The state recreational drug? The official drag-racing highway? The official state pornographic Web site? They all are abused and can cause medical problems, death or injury to others. Anheuser-Busch does not need this, and Missouri doesn't either. How about the official state trash can for lawmakers? Please, kill this thing before it gets started. Put your minds to better use.

Technology's limits

I SEE so many people these days who can't cope without their cell phones and computers. I don't own either of these contraptions and get along fine. I enjoy houseplants, artwork and sewing. I believe in technology as long as it does not turn into a fast-moving train with no brakes.

Reschedule History Day

HISTORY DAY should have been rescheduled. Because more than half of the schools not in session, Southeast Missouri State University should have postponed the event. Students worked hard on their projects. Now they feel like they have done all of their hard work for nothing.

Too much about hunting

I USED to get the Missouri Conservationist magazine years ago. It was a treasure trove of good articles about gardening, wildlife, places to visit. Now it's about hunting. I find the hunting articles distasteful.

On the sidelines

I'M DISAPPOINTED in David Limbaugh. Now that there's no conservative in the presidential hunt, Limbaugh is apparently going to sit on the sidelines and watch ("It will be fun") the Democrats and our nation continue to divide itself into ever more dangerous parts.

Make it a ministry

OH, DEAR! What to do with the deer? I have the perfect solution that doesn't involve rewriting city ordinances or issuing permits to solve the evil deer problem. Simply allow churches to organize the hunts. Churches require no permits. They are not bound by zoning restrictions. And they can pretty much do whatever they want wherever they want. All they have to do is call it a Deer Hunting Ministry.

Hunting behavior

I DIDN'T know anything about hunters until I saw the movie "Open Season." It may have been animated, but it opened my eyes to the way hunters behave and what animals really think about.

Worry about misses

THE PROBLEM with bowhunting in city limits is not killing the deer. It is missing your target. The arrow has to land somewhere. Will it hit a car tire, go through a home's window or into a child's heart?

Stimulate jobs

OUR CONGRESS passed a $152 billion stimulus package and is preparing to send out to all citizens rebate checks ranging from $300 to $1,600. The Internal Revenue Service has advised that it will cost us $42 million in postage to provide information to the citizens on who will receive the rebate checks. How foolish is this? Why didn't we just provide each state three billion dollars each for infrastructure repair and put people to work on repairing the infrastructure, which would have brought good-paying jobs and which builds a stronger America. This would have been a sound investment, but we had to give everybody a check. Most of it will go in to our gas tanks. Washington seems not to use good common sense any more.

Teaching others

IN TODAY'S U.S. military, which is one of the best-trained in the world, soldiers are taught by soldiers. None of them has a teaching degree. Medics teach medics to be medics and other soldiers to be first responders. At Defense Language Institute, soldiers teach foreign languages to other soldiers and produce personnel fluent in other languages in a matter of months. Information system specialists, nuclear propulsion specialists, nurses, pilots, navigators, infantrymen, combat engineers, electronics technicians — all are taught by other servicemembers. None of them has a teaching degree. If these young men and women can handle this job without a degree, I would think we could allow people with the proper knowledge base to teach in our schools without a teaching degree. Who knows? Take all that politically correct mush the teachers have to learn out of the picture, maybe our children would get a better education. Many of the best private schools do not require a teaching degree, only that you have the necessary education in the subject you are teaching for the grade level you teach and a college degree.


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Much ado about nada.

-- Posted by KingsKid on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 7:53 AM

Much ado about nada.

-- Posted by KingsKid on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 7:53 AM

Much ado about nada.

-- Posted by KingsKid on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 7:53 AM

With David Limbaugh sitting on the sidelines, perhaps he could move to Wayne County for one of those $8.00 an hour jobs!!!!

-- Posted by changedname on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 8:21 AM

Wages and prices

So, you think that raising the minimum wage has caused these huge increases in the retail price of gas and food?

Really? Very interesting. You have discovereed an entirely new economic theorem.

Heretofore, I thought that a culmination of things caused high prices.

1. The looting of America by globalist corporations who off-shored our job to make themselves and a few select investors, sticking a*s rich.

2. The artificially inflated price of oil, and gasoline, by globalist oil companies, intent on getting thier share of every dime that we make.

3. Energy companies and their raising rates artificially, as Enron did in California. Their employees laughed about shutting down generation plants, to cause the price on the gird to go up.

4. GREED, PURE GREED, in general. That of trying to wring every last dime from American workers, though credit scams, insurance, utility increases, new fees daily from AT&T tacked on your budget phone plan, and similar schemes.

Those are just some of the things that I thought made prices go up. Your theory about the minimum wage causing gas to go up, what was it now, about a BUCK since this time last year, and spiraling prices at the supermarkets, being the result of some nasty ole minimum wage earners, wanting to be able to make enough to at least put gas in their car to get to work, but have nothing left for food, rent, insurance, gosh, we must take another look at these people who are causig that problem with high prices.

It couldn't be any of the things that I enumerated, could it? Speaking of high wages, how about some of these scumbags in the mortgage business, who pulled so many scams on Americans and got them into a mortgage payment bind, now, they couldn't be responsible for high prices could they? One of these freeloading CEO's from COUNTRYWIDE, sold off over $120 MILLION in stock just before it became public that COUNTRYWIDE was in trouble. Others were sent off with huge going away packages. Some were given double digit Million dollar salaries, so the company wouldn't have to pay taxes upon it. They spread their wealth around liberally.

Naw, it wasn't any of that rampant, incestious GREED among American corportions that got us to this point, where America is poised for a Depression, it was those darn ole minimum wage earners, wasn't it?

Gawd, Americans are stupid.

-- Posted by Brill on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 8:38 AM

Brill, do you have anything to contribute but class warfare, social envy and pro-anarchy garbage?

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 8:50 AM

Teaching credentials

Missouri is not a state that is required to have a masters degree in a subject with a degree in education. If someone with a B.S. in Math wants to teach, they just go through a certificate program.

-- Posted by cliff_icp on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 8:55 AM

yasgurfarm: I'm an anarcho-capitalist and most of Brill's points were way beyond me. I know that the market bids up oil prices. The falling dollar and scarcity has much to do with rising prices on all goods. I know that the Federal Reserve favors inflation over recession at this time. That said, how in the world do you associate what Brill wrote with anarchy?

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:01 AM

If we made an official trash can for our lawmakers it would have to be one for toxic waste for all the stink that would be going in!

-- Posted by newman90 on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:15 AM

Me'Mange: As a consumer of products, you do hold businesses accountable.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:16 AM

Greed has been what capitalism is founded on. Symantic debate perhaps but at what point does maximizing profits become greed?

Our economy has and will always be cyclical. Maybe it was over-inflated and in need of some correction. I do not know.

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:32 AM

My comment wasn't limited to Brill's most current post. Two out of three in one post ain't bad.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:40 AM

Consumers drive the market. Period.

Yes, recent fuel price increases are having the most impact on pricing. We are to blame for much of it. I think this was posted yesterday.

US production of CRUDE was at its highest in 1970. We have steadily increased our imports since then.

We have been negligent in supporting alternative energy technologies for sure, but we've also shot ourselves in the foot by not supporting oil exploration and refining within our own borders. More US crude and more US refineries = more local supply and reduced cost.

Developing nuclear technology for mass power generation would significantly reduce the amount of crude and other fossil fuels needed, thereby increasing the supply available for use in automobiles, jets, etc. This would allow more time to experiment with alternatives for this power as well.

It's coming. How successful we are at combating the brainless eco-freaks to make it come more quickly and easily is another.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:51 AM

When you purchase a product you value that product more than the money that you spent on it. The seller values your money more than the product that he is selling. What many on here want is for government to interfere with this process and force the seller into selling for less than he values his product. Who is greedy in this case, of course it would be the buyer.

The dollar has lost value against the Euro which has lost value against most commodities. What should be considered in any transaction is the value the seller and the consumer places on the dollar.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:51 AM

Me'Lange, Are you talking about the online paper that you have to sign in for? It's still available.

-- Posted by stevmo on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:56 AM

Me'Lange, I've never been able to find the public notices online.

It's a shame. I'd like to know if the schools are meeting their requirement of advance notice of meetings and agendas. You won't find upcoming agendas on the school's website, either. (Or minutes, but that's another story.)

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:57 AM

Just under 20 seconds to post last comment. I guess there are just going to be slow days.

-- Posted by stevmo on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:58 AM

Me'Lange, this may sound hard to believe, but yes I would. I would sell my land to a nuclear power producer. Someone has to budge.

By the way, I've been fishing and swimming in a lake that was used for nuclear cooling tower supply and discharge. It's much ado about nothing.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 10:17 AM

The online reader for the Missourian is a PITA.

They online (website) is fed directly from the digital input for the print edition. The could put the entire paper on the website, they just don't.

I'd rather they just go ahead and start charging for website access, and put the whole paper there. That's what they're working towards anyway.

I'd rather not be the frog that is boiled to death slowly. Just make me pay the money now and deliver the goods.

Ok, Jon?

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 10:20 AM

Man, I miss the editor function.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 10:30 AM

Techonology Limits...computers are a way of life for most people nowadays. It's just not for gaming or emails, you can find lots of information, shop, look up history, find the sex offenders in your neighborhood, etc. I use it for gaming, and for looking up prices of items before I waste my gas running all over town. Sometimes it's just cheaper to order online than to buy the item in town.

and LMAO at Hellomynameis..."made-over MJB" I just about spit out my coffee!!

-- Posted by Wildnsyko on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 10:30 AM

Techonology Limits...computers are a way of life for most people nowadays. It's just not for gaming or emails, you can find lots of information, shop, look up history, find the sex offenders in your neighborhood, etc. I use it for gaming, and for looking up prices of items before I waste my gas running all over town. Sometimes it's just cheaper to order online than to buy the item in town.

and LMAO at Hellomynameis..."made-over MJB" I just about spit out my coffee!!

-- Posted by Wildnsyko on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 10:30 AM

Higher gas prices: Congress wants to add additional costs for gasoline. Congress wants to be seen doing something about the cost of fuel, well they are. Most people will think that they are punishing the suppliers of that gasoline and not realise that they are punishing the consumers.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 10:32 AM

Wow, sorry about the double post. I hit the "Post your comment" button and it did nothing, so I hit it again and then it took a bit to do anything.

-- Posted by Wildnsyko on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 10:32 AM

In 2007, US oil and natural gas companies made profits of 7.6%. Too much?

The total of all US manufacturers (less the auto industry) reported profits of 9.2%

The domestic oil and natural gas industry is not the enemy.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 10:42 AM

The profit motive is why you have a comfortable house, a car, food, and the computer that your using. Without that profit motive we would still be living like animals or destitute Soviets.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 10:57 AM

Me'Lange: Executive compensation packages are an expense to a business just like any other payroll.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 11:05 AM

James,

You are right about that. Profit is the incentive of innovation as much as neccessity.

Current climate will inspire new innovation due to the demand for such innovation hence the profitability. Alternative fuel sources have always been there. We have known about these for several years. Why are they just now being more vigorously pursued? Because there is now money to be made.

God Bless Al Gore. He is helping increase the incentive for innovation through some of his kookie environmentalist jargon. This increases the neccessity side of the equation.

Do I believe in global warming? Heck I don't know. I do know this. If fears of global warming increases liklihood of alternative fuel sources decreasing dependence of foreign oil thus keeping money out of terrorists hands and making it cheaper for me to drive to work each day I will scream from the mountain top about the realities of global warming.

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 11:10 AM

"Big Oil" has been regularly investigated by both Democrats and Republicans over the last thirty years and so far, no one has found anything as far as I know.

-- Posted by D'oh on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 11:11 AM

Just read that the Mo Senate is proposing a bio-diesel requirement for 10% added to diesel,and guess what!!!!!!!!!!!!!some Senators are invested in bio-diesel production plants...how nice and convenient. Smelly-smelly....

-- Posted by changedname on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 11:27 AM

Brill

I've no idea what you're talking about...so I'll just sit here with a pancake on my head.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 11:33 AM

James Nall & Me'Lange

CEO compensation packages (thus amounts) contain values that are NOT figured into the direct costs to the company, like restricted stock and stock options. This is BALANCE SHEET stuff, not INCOME STATEMENT stuff.

Even so, let's take Valero, the US's largest refiner. Say they produce 10 BILLION dollars in revenue, and pay their CEO 96 million in TOTAL compensation. Even if for the sake of argument you include the stocks and options, he was compensated at less than 1% of gross revenue. That's HALF (as a percentage of revenue)of what I was compensated at my last job in a small business.

I don't understand what is so unfair.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 11:34 AM

By the way, I used actual figures from Valero's 2005 financial reports.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 11:36 AM

vasgurfarm: At no time did I say that executive compensation was unfair. By the way anarchy means having no rulers.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 11:45 AM

yasgurfarm

I've always had the feeling that this paper is going to start charging for online access. Does anyone know of a newspaper in Missouri that is doing so now?

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 11:45 AM

yasgurfarm: Stock options are rewards for increasing share value.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 11:53 AM

Wild

Do you play cards online? Do you know of a good poker site?

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 11:57 AM

re: too much hunting

I used to enjoy the Missouri Conservationist too before it became a PC tool of the greenies.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 12:09 PM

Nall, stock options are NOT rewards for increasing share value. Stock options are an offer by a company to an employee (can be any employee, not just an executive) to buy shares of company stock at a specified price, usually fairly well below the market value. This lets them either 1.) sell the stock immediately after purchase to realize a cash gain or 2.) keep the stock and increase their stock portfolio.

It has NOTHING to do with profits.

And I know what anarchy is.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 12:10 PM

Conservababe, is that YOUR rabbit? I have to check on mine . . .

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 12:11 PM

Folks are not going to let go of this deer hunting issue, both pro and con. Our royal mayor and city council might just as well vote on it now.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 12:12 PM

yasgurfarm: Thanks for agreeing with me.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 12:13 PM

I think they should open it up to rifle hunting. I'd rather get hit with a 30.06 bullet than a broadhead any day.

Besides, if a hunter loses his arrow, there are four razor blades laying in the grass somewhere for someone to fall or step on.

Up with firepower!

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 12:18 PM

Okay, I give up. Where is the 'news' section today?

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 12:24 PM

Geeze. Today's S.O. section is a good example of why I usually only scan the subject lines of the topics in lieu of wasting time reading them. Y'all think it's about time to lose the obsessive redundancy regarding "Bows for Bambi" within city limits??! Talk about group-think or herd mentality. Well, then again, maybe we can use the "herd" thing to spice up the issue a bit.

Hows about injecting the concept of authorizing open season for bow hunting within city limits on, say, Libsocs!!? That would be a scream, and I might even consider taking up hunting for sport! Trouble is, Libsocs are too fidgity, always pinging around wringing their hoofs about global doom, and such. So it's kinda difficult to give 'em the shaft...gee, a little archery lingo from Rio Linda, perhaps?! And I hear they're not really good eatin' anyway...too stringy.

Hmmm. On second thought, maybe the whole hunting issue should be dumped in the interest of new topics like, oh, hacking down perfectly good trees with enviro-commies chained to them...even as a new sport?!! Oh, well. Just a suggestion. Burma Shave.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 12:40 PM

Wow! Here's a new posting-lag record, I think, if that poll is still going on. That last goofy job I just did took about TWO MINUTES to post once I clicked the "post your comment" thingy. Do I get to claim the record? Huh, huh?!

Glad I'm calling Charter to come out & survey the barn today. Maybe the main problem is my lousy current dial-up service. Then again, it takes forever when I just change pages on the paper's Web site. But, whatever. Maybe it can help Mr. Baughn, James Baughn, stomp on some more bugs and gliches with the new site.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 12:52 PM

I love the picture of the bunny with the pancake on its head!

I was just reading through here today and seeing what was going on, listening in on the debate, when right in the middle of it all, there sits Babe with a pancake on her head. That lightened things up a bit! :)

-- Posted by thinker on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 12:56 PM

OK. That's it! I'm goin' nut. My last post, about post lag, delayed for one minute before I tried smacking the refresh button, then it took another forty seconds.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 12:57 PM

Herr

My posting times are like molassas this morning and the paper seems to have fallen apart, too.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 12:58 PM

Good point Me'Lange on who has been in office the last 8 years. But there should be some relief coming since the Bush is sending the VP over there in "Hope's" of them lowering crude prices by increasing production. Nothing like going to someone with your hat in hand. Also another blimish on their record will be the dramatic decline in the dollar which also has a direct bearing on the price of crude.

-- Posted by gman on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 1:06 PM

babe, Also have noticed Conservationist's shift. Waiting for the Guns are Bad issue.

Perryville's liberal rag, The Perry County Republic-Monitor charges for it's online paper although I can't imagine anyone paying for it. I know it's only Perryville but you asked.

Nice pancake.

-- Posted by stevmo on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 1:06 PM

Good point Me'Lange on who has been in office the last 8 years. But there should be some relief coming since the Bush is sending the VP over there in "Hope's" of them lowering crude prices by increasing production. Nothing like going to someone with your hat in hand. Also another blimish on their record will be the dramatic decline in the dollar which also has a direct bearing on the price of crude.

-- Posted by gman on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 1:07 PM

Okay, my last comment took forever to post. I actually went to hotmail and responded to three emails and came back and it still hadn't posted. I had refreshed 4 times and then just gave up. I have DSL and good speed everywhere else. This really discourages commenting!

-- Posted by thinker on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 1:14 PM

Good point Me'Lange on who has been in office the last 8 years. But there should be some relief coming since the Bush is sending the VP over there in "Hope's" of them lowering crude prices by increasing production. Nothing like going to someone with your hat in hand. Also another blimish on their record will be the dramatic decline in the dollar which also has a direct bearing on the price of crude.

-- Posted by gman on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 1:19 PM

Out of here til the paper is back up to speed.

-- Posted by stevmo on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 1:26 PM

Wait! I know how we can solve the high price of gas issue. We could go to Iraq, dump Billions and Billions of dollars into a big war, blow the bajesus out of them and get rid of their evil dictator Sadam Huessain (or whatever) Then, one we have achieved that we could take over their oil fields.

Oh wait....we already did that. Hmmmm I wonder what happened? Oh well, maybe we need to bomb Iran, Afganistan, and heck for the fun of it Pakistan, Turkey, Russian, and Cuba. ;o) Have a great day!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 1:45 PM

Off topic...but a question. How did it happen that Orthopaedic Associates group has a monopoly on care in this area? The physicians evidently do not take call from the ER and come in any longer to see a patient with a fracture. Patients are sent home with instructions to make an appointment with the group which sometimes takes a few days. The staff must schedule appointments by the old British method, morning and afternoon call up because you wait for hours despite your appointment time. If you want to see the actual physician handling your care, good luck, because you never see him as he sends in his physician assistant in every visit.

I have been told that patients that travel to St Louis have better care because they can always go down the street to another group if not satisfied. But, we can't here.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 1:47 PM

Babe, you're starting to talk like a liberal!

There is no vast right wing conspiracy to keep orthopods from coming to Cape. And, they can only do so much. As it is, those guys are most always on call, and a very good friend of mine is ALWAYS going to the hospital and all weird@ss hours of the night to fix something. Maybe now they have to prioritize the injuries.

Sounds like a great capitalist opportunity for a group of orthopods looking for a fresh market.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 2:32 PM

By the way, is that YOUR rabbit?

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 2:33 PM

yasgurfarm

No, there are a lot of shenanigans going on in the medical field. Trust me. One of the most prominent one is that some groups have a physican newly joining them sign a contract that he will leave the area if he decides to leave said group. That cuts down on the competition. I was hoping some might have some insight as to how Orthopaedics landed on top without any competition.

And since you called me a liberal, I won't tell you about the rabbit. LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 2:50 PM

Hey Melange do you have any positive stuff going on in your life. Every post i read from you is negative. Maybe you should run something if you have all the ideas. Come on now complaining on how fast it takes this web site to post something. Good luck to ya

-- Posted by obamayourmomma08 on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 2:51 PM

Heads up, folks. The grackles are here. There are literally thousands in my yard (and no, I'm not kidding) and they will find a roost soon, I'm sure. It's time for the city to get out their big boom boom cannon.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 2:55 PM

Recman:

Melange ain't the only one doggin' & moanin' about the slow post times. Then again, I don't think now that my main problem is just the paper's web varmits. A bunch of my grief also seems to be my stinking-Alpha'd dial-up service. I may be jerking my knee, but I've already put in a call to Charter for some cable service. To heck with this Bravo Sierra!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 3:01 PM

I wouldn't go so far as to call YOU a liberal. Just said you were starting to SOUND like a liberal!

Oh, now you've got my interest piqued! Tell me about your rabbit and I'll tell you about mine!

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 3:05 PM

Jerry66,

Now your talking!Eventually the world will

fight over oil anyway so why not take it.

Another great reason to leave our reserves alone.It will take fuel to mobilize our Military to fight this battle and we need to conserve our own resources.The military industrial complex is well aware of whats up!

There is no stopping it now!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 3:05 PM

recman

Your post is negative to the 9th degree. Why don't you get busy trying to find an avatar instead of being critical of MeLange.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 3:06 PM

Farm

It's not my bunny. He's been around the net for quite some time to indicate complete bewilderment of someone's post.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 3:15 PM

recman,

While I seldom agree with Me'Lange, I find her to be an intelligent and articulate individual.

-- Posted by D'oh on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 3:18 PM

Here, here. I second that. Me'Lange is a concerned and contributing member of society. Bugger off recman.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 3:22 PM

C-babe & Yasgurfarm:

While I'm waiting for Charter to get their Sierra in one sock, and get back with me on hooking up, I keep seeing chatter about rabbits...btw, C-babe, nice pancake! But please, cease & desist on the rabbit talk...I'm getting HUNgry (good grief, back to the pun thing!), and the Master Mule won't let me eat any of our bunnies! At least they're tastier than Libsocs!!!

Speakin' of bunnies, Mule gal brought yet another one home Sunday, so now we have four of 'em residing IN the house (five more in the garage)! No wonder I refer to our house as a barn. But I luv 'em too...they be are chillin!

Oops. I'd best get back to chasin' the Charter toads down. BEWARE the Hun with the PUN!! Burma Shave.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 3:24 PM

Hmmm! I just noticed the posting time is getting a bit quicker, compared to a few I tried earlier...must be the bunny balls fertilizing the computer!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 3:32 PM

The only society that she is involved in is speak out. Where people complain about everything but do nothing about it. You people are like a little circle of turds that keep floating around!!

-- Posted by obamayourmomma08 on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 3:33 PM

Babe, I like this rabbit. Californians, too. They fatten up quick.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 3:37 PM

recman,

That does not even deserve the effort of a reasoned response.

-- Posted by D'oh on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 3:38 PM

LOL...Conservababe got called a liberal and didn't like it! LOL That is "THE" funniest post of the day!!!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 3:38 PM

Speakout caller THE WHOLE said, "THE WHOLE - purpose of deer hunting in town is because the deer cause accidents and eat soybeans and other plants. A person is stupid to believe that, just because city officials tell you not to drink alcohol while hunting, hunters are going to obey that rule. I say no to deer hunting."

How many big soybean farmers do we have in the City limits of Cape Girardeau? Also, I called "The Mayor" and proposed these two questions myself.

1) If it's going to be legal to kill deer in the city limits, then why isn't it legel for me to kill rabbits and squirrel that destroy fruit and vegitation on my fathers property and mine? (He said that was a good point that would need to be addressed)

2)If someone shoots a deer and it ends up running onto my property and dieing, who's deer is it? (Again, He said this was another good point that needed to be addressed)

Then I proposed a combined third question/statement.

3) Well, if it's illegal to shoot squirrel and rabbits that destroy vegitation and fruit on my own property, how is that right that a "third party" has property rights to come onto my property and hunt a deer?

( He then stated that "nothing" is itched in stone, there are too many questions. Anything resembling this measure would be presented in public forums and would have to come to a vote.)

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 3:52 PM

Well, Babe might not be a liberal, but there's a huge irony in her using that as an avatar. The rabbit's name was Oolong, and he was the unofficial mascot of the SomethingAwful.com forums back around 2001.

I don't think many posters here would care for the site on the surface, but 90% of the funny images you find on the Net have ties to that it, either as the original creator or as the group that latched on and spread it everywhere.

Also, on a different note, people should stop complaining about minimum wage. Ours out here in LA is $8/hr, and our daily living costs aren't considerably more than MO's. Food's roughly the same, as are services. The only things that make it harder to live here are the gas prices and rent, neither of which are tied to a living wage.

-- Posted by Weszor on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 3:53 PM

Well, before I cast off for awhile to dance with the Charter folks, perhaps I should stop "wrenching" around (since we don't seem to be able to use the "other tool" word anymore!), and ask a semi-serious question.

To Wit - Semi-serious Question: Are there some Charter subscribers out there who are pretty happy with it? I'm hummin' & hawin' about going for their phone (w/nation-wide calling), on-line (gotta be higher speed than the slug svc I get now), and cable TV package. I'm currently with AT&T for on-line (sbc global/Prodigy dial-up), phone, & cell (will probably keep the cell svc w/them), but right now, I'm with DirecTV which is OK but seems to go out when a rains a bit.

So, before I commit, how do y'all like Charter (can't get DSL, etc, here) who's got it? Honest ?, no Burma Shave here.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 3:59 PM

Down on the farm.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 4:29 PM

Babe...nope, don't play card games...well, maybe solitaire once in a blue moon. I'm usually playing Counter Strike Source or Call of Duty 4. Hubby and sons got me hooked on these FPS games.

-- Posted by Wildnsyko on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 4:31 PM

Herr - I use Charter for internet and TV services. Very pleased with the services, but grit my teeth a little when the bill comes.

Thought about the phone bundle with Charter, but reluctant to give up the security/reliability of my traditional land-line. In the recent ice storm - the cable was out but the power was on here at the house, and I could still carry out necessary Internet business via dial-up.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 4:36 PM

Also, just timed it - about a 10 second delay before my previous comment was posted with Charter internet, west side of town.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 4:37 PM

Herr

I like cable just fine. But you are still with Prodigy? Oh my, wean yourself and jump on the net by yourself. giggle

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 4:41 PM

This is better.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 4:42 PM

I want to know how many checks have been sent to Denise at the Family Resource Center in the last week.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 4:44 PM

Deah Mr LA man

Most of us already know about the origions of the bunny/pancake. But thanks for your California input. giggle

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 4:44 PM

That isn't a pancake on conservababe's head; that's her brain.

-- Posted by iago1 on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 4:55 PM

Too much about hunting, Worry about misses, Too official, Technology's limits:

These are the topics that keep Cape residents tossing and turning throughout the night? Does a stray arrow really have more of a threat because someone has proposed to allow hunting in city limits? The rash of "Drive By Arrowings" has deminished as of late, but thanks to this forum, now no one is safe.

I really have nothing to say about Bud being the beer of choice for Missouri. I drink Jack and think that our offical porn site is the regular media. There's a brothel on every channel, soon to be legalized. Watch and wait.

And the technology concern. Oh Great Avatar, why did you not use your power of censorship when the poster fell under the catagory of stupidity. It's easy to disconnect from society. Just ask HERR and use his internet provider. You'll NEVER be apart of this technology demon. Keep beating the bibles.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 5:20 PM

fxpwt,

After all of the common sense to the penny posts you have made, and you use Charter too? I would have never imagined you to be the type to let a cable company screw < this word is SKREW) you over. *Sigh* welcome to the club, but I thought you were suppose to be smarter than me ;o)

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 5:39 PM

Herr,

I had Charter for many years and the service was poor, but that was primarily due to the lines being old and Charter refusing to run new ones or repair the existing ones. When it worked, I liked it very much and it was cheaper than my present system. If they are running new lines and are willing to service them, you should have no trouble. I would be reluctant to go with the phone as I have known too many people who were without communications when the cable went out.

-- Posted by D'oh on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 5:47 PM

KJT,

I heard the same about the Charter phones myself. They have my cable and my internet, but I will be damned if they are taking away my AT&T. (notice that **** is not blocked, therefore it must be acceptable to the new system.)

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 5:50 PM

Thanks for some of the advice, both negatives & good stuff, folks! Well, whether I like the Charter 3x package or not, I've just spent a good chunk of the afternoon working and semi-committing with 'em...just gotta wait for the techies to come out and do the site survey, run the lines, hook up, etc. Gotta admit & agree w/some of you though, I'm a bit shaky about giving up my old land line phone that I could plug in during power outs. But what the hey, I'm Tango Uniform & fed-up with the slug service I've been getting. So why not chomp down on the bullet?!

>>>Info some of you: The Charter rep did say that for an extra one-time charge of $40.00, I can have a back-up battery pack (rechargable) inst'd for continued cable phone service during pwr outs...hope it works. Heck, I'm still chawin' on the idea of getting one of those auto-gen systems put in too. There's no sin in being too Semper Paratus, donchaknow!! Thanks. Gotta go, Herr out.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 6:30 PM

Test I'm not posting for some reason

-- Posted by Service1 on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 6:53 PM

Oh my...It's working....Thank You!

Wage, BRILL I agree with you!

-- Posted by Service1 on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 6:54 PM

I think I'm spending too much time here. Got lots of stuff to do around the house, and the weather's too nice. Signing off for a while.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 6:55 PM

Jerry66 - yes, I do pride myself somewhat on my penny-pinching prowess (not including the occasional excursions and treats) but I just didn't see a good option.

DSL isn't yet available here, dial-up was just getting to be too slow with the increasing amounts of graphics being used, and satellite dishes still seem to be on the 'iffy' side as far as reliability. My time is worth something to me, for which at this point, equates to my reluctant willingness to shell out the extra $40 or so per month.

I miss the early days of the Internet where many sites had a 'text only' option for their pages. Faster-loading, and oh-so-much easier to read without all the clutter.

One thought to keep in mind with land-line phones - need to have at least one ol'fashioned, hard-wired corded-handset phone. Cordless sets don't work too well in power outages! D'Oh!

As far as the packaged 3x service - be sure to understand whether or not the price quoted is a promotional price, and if so, the length of the promotional time and the resulting actual 'regular' costs afterward.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 7:00 PM

Concidering some of the discussions today, I found this article interesting. Curious on other's thoughts.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23578542

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 7:51 PM

James Nall,

I know you said you don't read MSN articles, so the idea of the article is that Iraq has a surplus of income from their oil sales for this year (billions), but the US is still sending millions of US monies to rebuild.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 7:59 PM

Hey-Who-David Limbaugh doesnt deserve more than $8.00 an hour,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and I've never asked anyone for assistance,,,,,,,made it myself..

-- Posted by changedname on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 8:47 PM

Melange,

Experienced the same problem when I posted this evening. Though all I did was hit the back button and then control/f5 so get back to page with my post added.

And as far as the article. Posted to get other's ideas without imputing my own before others had a chance to read it. But, now that you have responded. I don't begrudge the Iraqi's from having the surplus. My only question is at what point do we stop sending Millions of our money, and is any of the surplus going to be earmarked to maybe repay some of the money the US has spent in rebuilding? Or because we invaded, we are responsible for all monies to rebuild?

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 8:57 PM

Pups

We did not invade Iraq. We liberated Iraq. No, we will never get repaid because we will always have a base in Iraq.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:03 PM

I believe its not Millions, but 12 Billion every month to Iraq,

-- Posted by changedname on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:04 PM

Oh and my naivety might be showing, but it looks as though the Iraqi government is getting the revenue from the Iraqi oil fields not the US. So kind mutes the idea that we invaded to get their oil. Or as someone says on here, the money the Iraqi's are reporting having made isn't actually going into the Iraqi coffers?

Just thinking outloud.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:06 PM

conservababe,

Invade has been the word used by the Administration so it's the word I use. As far as being paid back, was just a question not a request.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:09 PM

Me'Lange

Nothing to be ashamed of, it is okay to agree with me on certain points. :)

I am right about prices, I am right about executive compensation, (include so called "Sports" figures, who do little more than play a childrens game to keep our minds off of what really matters--modern day bread and circuses and gossip mavens, entertainment "stars" etc.)

Have much to do right now, or, would refute some econ statments made today.

I warned about the credit problems, long ago. No one listen, scoffers, such as now.

I warned about housing, long ago, same reaction as above.

I warned about the devastating problem surrounding jobs, and lopsided "trade' deals, like NAFTA, and Emersons favored CAFTA agreements. No one listened.

I warned about borrowing from other nations, like communist China. This war against the Iraqi people has been put on a giant credit card, that someday, the Chinese are going to call for payment. Then, what will you happy talk economic theorists do? I tell you what is going to happen, yet, not many listen, or, really think it trhough for themselves. They offer happy talk, zingers, one liners, and lies as solutions to the gigantic problems that loom over this nation. It no longer bothers me that you do not listen, I will speak in hopes of reaching one who does.

So, you all can believe what I say, or, scoff, and say it is the minimum wage earner, (see figuress that Me'Lange provided) if you will.

Happy talk, and a cheap a*s "tax rebate" is not going to "rebound" the economy this time. For those of you who do not understand, why it won't, I feel truly sorry. Fore, you may not be suffering now, but, eventually, you will. When it comes, you will suffer worse than most of us, because you are not prepared, you did not listen, you did not lobby for a solution, until it was too late. Your wealth will evaporate faster than a cheap perfume on a $2 hooker. If there aren't $2 hookers now, there will be in the near future. I give it less than two years, probably within a year, even by the end of this year, unless drastic reforms are made.

"Republicans" will receive the blame, because thier party has been engulfed by neocons, and globlists to the extreme. Being Democrat, or, Republican has little to do with the outcome that we are soon to meet. Lee Hamiliton, a former Democrat Senator from Indiana, is a leading globalist scumbag. This is about ideoloty, not petty politics.

Got to dash. Count your blessings. Be thankful for what you have, and do not be so deluded, or, arrogant as to think that you accomplished it all on your own.

-- Posted by Brill on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:11 PM

Me'Lange

Nothing to be ashamed of, it is okay to agree with me on certain points. :)

I am right about prices, I am right about executive compensation, (include so called "Sports" figures, who do little more than play a childrens game to keep our minds off of what really matters--modern day bread and circuses and gossip mavens, entertainment "stars" etc.)

Have much to do right now, or, would refute some econ statments made today.

I warned about the credit problems, long ago. No one listen, scoffers, such as now.

I warned about housing, long ago, same reaction as above.

I warned about the devastating problem surrounding jobs, and lopsided "trade' deals, like NAFTA, and Emersons favored CAFTA agreements. No one listened.

I warned about borrowing from other nations, like communist China. This war against the Iraqi people has been put on a giant credit card, that someday, the Chinese are going to call for payment. Then, what will you happy talk economic theorists do? I tell you what is going to happen, yet, not many listen, or, really think it trhough for themselves. They offer happy talk, zingers, one liners, and lies as solutions to the gigantic problems that loom over this nation. It no longer bothers me that you do not listen, I will speak in hopes of reaching one who does.

So, you all can believe what I say, or, scoff, and say it is the minimum wage earner, (see figuress that Me'Lange provided) if you will.

Happy talk, and a cheap a*s "tax rebate" is not going to "rebound" the economy this time. For those of you who do not understand, why it won't, I feel truly sorry. Fore, you may not be suffering now, but, eventually, you will. When it comes, you will suffer worse than most of us, because you are not prepared, you did not listen, you did not lobby for a solution, until it was too late. Your wealth will evaporate faster than a cheap perfume on a $2 hooker. If there aren't $2 hookers now, there will be in the near future. I give it less than two years, probably within a year, even by the end of this year, unless drastic reforms are made.

"Republicans" will receive the blame, because thier party has been engulfed by neocons, and globlists to the extreme. Being Democrat, or, Republican has little to do with the outcome that we are soon to meet. Lee Hamiliton, a former Democrat Senator from Indiana, is a leading globalist scumbag. This is about ideoloty, not petty politics.

Got to dash. Count your blessings. Be thankful for what you have, and do not be so deluded, or, arrogant as to think that you accomplished it all on your own.

-- Posted by Brill on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:12 PM

dexter-rite

You are right, it is double digit BILLIONS that our government rapes us for each month to accomplish their neocon, empire building goals in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Keep them straight and in line. Thanks for your good work.

-- Posted by Brill on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:17 PM

Yes, oh, yes, we "liberated" Iraq. Each day, in their own special way, the Iraqis, God Bless them, find a special way to "thank" you neocons for that liberation.

Too bad, that all the PNAC, Neocon, globalsit, war mongering, war profiteering folks in America, are here in America, safe out of the way of all that Iraqi "thankfulness." I would love to see the former group of people properly "thanked" by the Iraqi's, instead, it is our military who are the targets of that "thankfulness." What follows are two examples of the Iraqi delight with being "liberated" by the war profiteers, the war mongers, Neocons, Likudists, PNAC-ers, and empire builders. Too bad, that they could not all be recipents of "thanks" like those mentioned below.

"Bomb attack kills five US troops in Baghdad’s al-Mansur district Monday.

In a dispatch posted at 6:22pm Baghdad time Monday evening, the Yaqen News Agency reported that five American troops were killed and four more of them wounded in a bomb attack in the upscale west Baghdad district of al-Mansur.

Yaqen reported a source in the US military as saying that a bomb went off by an American patrol in al-Mansur, killing five US troops and wounding three more of them in addition to an Iraqi translator who was with the patrol. The source refused to provide any more details, other than to say that the incident was under investigation.

Eariler, in a dispatch posted at 5:30pm Baghdad time Monday afternoon, the Yaqen News Agency reported that a man wearing an explosive belt blew himself up by a patrol of Iraqi regime army troops, killing one person and wounding 11 people, at midday Monday.

Yaqen reported a source in the government police as saying that a man blew himself up in the upscale al-Mansur district of Baghdad. A medical source in al-Yarmuk Hospital told the agency that the hospital had received the body of one person and 11 more wounded individuals following the attack. Five of the wounded were Iraqi regime army soldiers.

Mysterious car bomb kills civilian in Madinat as-Sadr, one day after US forces blockade, raid, search the district known for its support of Muqtada as-Sadr.

In a dispatch posted on its Arabic website at 8:28pm Monday evening Beijing time (3:28pm Baghdad time), the Xinhua News Agency reported that a car bomb exploded in the Shi‘i, eastern Baghdad district of Madinat as-Sadr after noon on Monday.

Xinhua reported a source in the Iraqi regime police as saying that the car bomb, which had been parked near a hospital in the al-Habibiyah area of Madinat as-Sadr, killed one civilian and wounded at least four more. Numerous civilian cars and buildings near the scene of the attack were also damaged according to preliminary estimates.

The Madinat as-Sadr area is a stronghold of support for pro-Iranian Shi‘i religious leader Muqtada as-Sadr. Just on Sunday, US forces had sealed off Madinat as-Sadr and carried out mass raids and searches there.

As the US takes steps to square off for a confrontation with Iran, American and regime forces have been increasingly targeting the pro-Iranian Jaysh al-Mahdi militia, the armed wing of the movement led by Shi‘i cleric Muqtada as-Sadr, which for some time had been a part of the US-backed government.

In Baghdad and the cities of southern Iraq the Americans and their Iraqi regime allies have killed or captured a large number of the militia’s commanders and cadres in recent months. The Jaysh al-Mahdi has also come into conflict with other, rival Shi‘i sectarian militias backed by the US and its Iraqi government as they vie for control of the southern part of the country.

Bomb targets US patrol in Baghdad midday Monday.

In a dispatch posted on its Arabic website at 6:32pm Monday evening Beijing time (1:32pm Baghdad time), the Xinhua News Agency reported that a bomb exploded by a US military patrol on Palestine Street in northeastern Baghdad at about 12 noon local time Monday.

Xinhua reported a source in the Iraqi regime police as saying that the blast killed one civilian and wounded two more in addition to damaging several private cars. No information on the nature or extent of US casualties was available, because American forces closed off the area immediately after the attack to prevent news of any US losses from being reported."

-- Posted by Brill on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:26 PM

Who Me?,

Sorry but it wasn't Brill that brought up the article. I was. And I was not saying that it was 100 percent correct. Just putting out an idea for discussion.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 9:58 PM

Who Me:

I thought I'd take a peak back in the pond here to see what's swimin' around. But this time when the screen lite up, your hideous head avatar was the first thing that came at me...about fell on my Alpha!! I've seen it before and thought it was cool enough but, wow, it really got me this time. I gotta have an avatar like that for my crazed Hun in his Kaiser helmet (well, OK, picklehaube)!!! At least the wild eyeball for bulging through a monocle. Where'd ya find it? I've got the helmet, and am looking for a monocle (even a fake one), and I think my wife can make a radical handlebar mustach. Then we can do a digital picture processing thing. But an eyeball like your guy has is a gotta have!!

Oh, and more of a priority. God Bless & keep your son safe while in Iraq.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 10:30 PM

Webmaster:

Yup. I too just experienced (again) the same problem after clicking on "post your comment". Seemed like the post processing tried to keep recycling...had to totally bail out of the Web site to break free. Heck, that's for sure not a good thing!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 10:39 PM

Rod Jetton called Wayne Countians LAZY and lied about the number of people who showed up for those jobs at FINE LABS in Piedmont.

Jetton said that only three showed up, when in truth, 300 did.

Sorry, if my adversion to lying bast*rds offends some of the simple minds of the neocon Log Cabin Republicans on this forum, but the truth is truth.

Rod Jetton says that Wayne Countians are Lazy, here is what FINE LABS says about those same people. From their website. http://www.finelabs.com/about.htm

"Economical and plentiful labor force"

Meaning, there are lots of Wayne Countians willing to work, and they will work cheap.

FINE LABS took part in the HUBZONE program. Which is kind of a welfare program for corporations. It encourages companies to move into economically depressed areas, like Wayne County. Now, you neocon, mouthy sorts, shooting your mouths off about welfare, and any program that assists those less fortuante than you, are you, also, adverse to corporate welfare? This is such a minor representation of corporate welfare, but I could cite others, if you wish.

-- Posted by Brill on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 10:57 PM

Reliability of Iraqi Resistance news reports.

As I have stated earlier, and now must defend due to the attack of warrior wannabees, the news being reported by the Iraqi Resistance is far more accurate than that of the controlled US press.

I have resisted doing this, out of respect to the Skelton faimly, some of whom I know, but your incessant propaganda forces me to do so.

Sgt. Skelton was killed on Wednesday, February 6th, according to local news coverage. There was NO mention in US press, especially, televisied media news channels, or, in network news of that attack, much less the death of a soldier, in this instance, Sgt. Skelton.

The Iraqi Resistance did report the attack upon what they called a US patrol in northern Bagdhad. Now, whether the following is the attack that wounded Fajar154's other friend, or, the one which killed Sgt. Skelton, I do not know. But, while our press refused to report news from Iraq, especially, when it doesn't jive with the propaganda that "we are winning in Iraq, the Surge is working," BS.

Wednesday, February 6th, 2008

"Bomb explodes by US column in northern Baghdad Wednesday morning."

In a dispatch posted at 11:10am Baghdad time Wednesday morning, the Yaqen News Agency reported that a bomb exploded by a US military column in the Sab‘ Abkar area to the north of Baghdad on Wednesday morning.

Yaqen reported a source in the puppet police as saying that the Americans sealed off the area immediately after the attack, preventing any information on the nature or extent of US casualties from leaking out. As of the time of reporting, the Americans had issued not statement regarding the attack."

http://www.albasrah.net/en_articles_2008...

If the serge is working so well, then, why didn't the US press report this attack which either killed Sgt. Skelton, or, injured soldier known to someone here? What is there to hide?

As far as Yaqen press being the press of the resistance, I do not know that. I believe that months ago, that Melange asked someone to verify the news orginazation, and the response that she received was that it was an Iraqi News Agency that was affilated and started by Reuters. I do not recall if this is the same agency, but I do remember reading some of their news reports and they were very similar to these.

Frankly, I wouldn't believe a thing that the poster with multiple identities, WHO ME says. I believe reading a discussion in the archives between him and another poster, where WHO ME alleges that he MARCHED POINT in VIETNAM. Now, I agree with the person whom he was having that discussion. You may TAKE POINT, you may WALK POINT, but who the hell ever heard of anyone MARCHING POINT in Vietnam.

Also, was it WHO ME, or HELLOMYNAMEIS who said that they had been in Vietnam as a Marine, but gave an ARMY unit as their Marine unit in Vietnam?

Why do people make up such idiotic stuff? Truth is a gem, too bad that more people do not treasure it.

-- Posted by Brill on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 11:18 PM

The problem is, you believe all this jingolistic, idiotic nonsense. Who the hell said this that made you believe it?

"If you take all the wealth and divide it up the same people that have it now will have it back within a generation." "WHO ME"

Oddly, the WSJ, the Wall Street Journal doesn't quite agree with this simple-minded economic theorem.

"July 30, 2007, 10:29 am

Why Rich Kids Don’t Stay Rich

Rich kids, we hear, have it all. Money. Connections. Top educations. Cars and clothes. For those who are part of what Warren Buffett calls “the Lucky Sperm Club,” life is supposedly one long shopping trip with an no-limits ATM card."

"Since there are no reliable data on this, we have to go by experience. What do you think? Will today’s rich kids stay rich, or wind up leaving the bulk of their fortunes to the rest of us?"

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2007/07/30/w...

Simplistic, idiotic fluff passing as RULES. With belief systems such as this, no wonder this country is so royally screwed.

Gawd, Americans ARE stupid.

-- Posted by Brill on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 11:27 PM

PUPSLOVER: Came in from feeding the animals, helped my wife move some dirt, was caged and had to watch a movie, not exactly the truth on that. Now on Iraqs oil money; I don't expect them to share expenses with us in rebuilding Iraq. Remember We wouldn't allow them to rebuild their infrastructure after the first Gulf War and we added much damage with our invasion and occupation the second time. The US should pay for all infrastructure damage. The US is spending $12 billion a month in Iraq, but much of that money is unaccounted for. I thought that David Walker resigned as comptroller.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 11:48 PM

PUPSLOVER: The administration has said that Iraq war has cost $550 billion. Government accountants put the figure at more than $1 trillion. Bill Clinton's chief accountant said the overall cost would be around $3 trillion, but unaffiliated accountants put that figure at more than $6 trillion. $6 trillion would be almost half of all American output or GDP for one year.

China only holds about a trillion dollars of US reserves, or about enough money to purchase Missouri Iowa, Minnisota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Arkansas. That is small change compared to total US worth of about $52 trillion. You would have to add plenty more states to pay for the complete rebuilding of Iraq. We destroyed it, we should rebuild it. Half of total US output is not too high a price to pay to play empire. Expect far more costs.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 12:14 AM

Don't like news from the respected Iraqi Resistance? Then, how about this little tidbit from one of the most respected news organizations in Europe? AFP

Notice that they are reporting that the good Admiral is being replaced because he OPPOSES war with IRAN. Yes, indeedy, the Neocons, along with their cohorts, the two Israeli Lobbys, AEI, and AIPAC,a nd the Likudists, are firmly in control of our government. They enjoy the servitude of Nancy Pelosi, Roy Blunt, Hoyer, and the simple minded George Bush.

It suits the desires of PNAC, and the empire buidlers, along with the war mongers, oil and corporate war profiteers.

Here's MONDAY's story from AFP.

"Gates silent on report Mideast commander may be replaced Mon Mar 10, 4:49 PM ET "

"WASHINGTON (AFP) - US Defense Secretary Robert Gates chose not to comment Monday on a magazine article that says the commander of US forces in the Middle East may soon be replaced because of his opposition to war with Iran.

"He's read the article in question and will not be commenting on it," said Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell, referring to Gates.

Published by Esquire magazine, the profile described Admiral William Fallon, head of the US Central Command, admiringly as "The Man Between War and Peace."

It credits Fallon with calming tensions with Iran last year, "creating serious tensions" with the White House by bucking a move toward war.

"Well-placed observers now say that it will come as no surprise if Fallon is relieved of his command before his time is up next spring, maybe as early as this summer, in favor of a commander the White House considers to be more pliable," said the article by Thomas P.M. Barnett.

"If that were to happen, it may well mean that the president and vice-president intend to take military action against Iran before the end of this year and don't want a commander standing in their way."

Asked whether Gates had confidence in Fallon, Morrell said, "They continue to enjoy a good working relationship."

Pressed by reporters, he said, "Well, they wouldn't enjoy a good working relationship if he didn't have confidence in him."

Morrell reiterated US policy that diplomacy was the first choice for dealing with Iran, but all options remain on the table.

The Washington Post, in a story last week about the article, quoted Fallon as calling it "poison pen stuff" that is "really disrespectful and ugly." He did not cite specific objections. "

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080310/pl_...

I love it when a foreign nation, a rogue state dictates US policy, and demands the sacrifice on an unholy altar of our troops. Yes, nothing is better than having globalists, and Likudists in control with their "forever war" philosophy.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 12:20 AM

Oh no, not this long post crap again by someone who hates the government. You need to get a life.

Guess I'll go back to other sites with more interesting conversation instead of one person domination as this has become once again.

-- Posted by Wildnsyko on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 12:34 AM

McCain to visit Israel to pay homage to his masters.

A week from Tuesday, on March 18th, McCain will visit Israel, along with Dick Cheney. All of our presidential candidates make pilgramges to Israel to receive their blessings, promise more loot from American tax payers, and get their next set of instructions.

McCain was in Israel just six months ago, before his "miraculous" Diebold Voting Machine miracle turnaround in his campaign. McCain will be back in Israel later this year for their 60th Anniversay celebration.

Meanwhile, to stoke the fires more, because, Israel, just like the Neocons in the US, believe in "forever war," as a means of controlling it's population, and feeding their contributors and friends, plan to build 750 MORE homes in the Occupied Territories. Now, what response do you think that this will bring from the people who live there, the Palistanians? I betcha that they are going to be a bit peevish. More attacks between the two will take place, and the US will continue to side with Israel. Because, that is where the money is to buy off American politicians. Sure, it is our tax money that we were forced to give Israel, but now it is coming back to America in the form of bries for our politicians.

Maybe if Hillary gets elected, some of our money that we have given to China and Indonesia will come back to us, as well. Can we count on the Riady family pouring money back into the US, into the coffers of Hillary, as they did for Bill? One only wonders.

Not only is America the home of some of God's most mentally challenged people, but we argurabley have the most corrupt government in the world. We have the most hated government in the world, I have to think that it is the most corrupt as well.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 12:36 AM

"It's easy for Smith to say."

REUTERS

"Upswing in Iraq attacks not a trend-US military"

Michael Holden

Reuters North American News Service

Mar 09, 2008 07:56 EST

BAGHDAD, March 9 (Reuters) - The U.S. military said on Sunday a recent increase in bombings was not the start of a wider trend in Iraq and violence had decreased overall.

U.S. military spokesman Rear Admiral Greg Smith said he did not think recent security gains were being reversed.

"I would not look at the last few weeks as an increase or a trend, but there has been a sporadic series of events that ... have resulted in significant loss of life," Smith told a news conference. "

Gee, an UPSWING in attacks, you say? Not long term you say? That should be some confort to the families of Americans who are killed by this not-long lsting UPSWING in attacks. It should be some reassurance to those men and women who lose limbs, eyes, and who are brain damaged during this UPSWING to know that it is not going to be long lasting. Of course, for them, that is an academic argument.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 12:46 AM

Apparently, some simple minds are confused when it comes to their unhealthy love of government and my love of country.

Often, it is healthy to be anti-government. I do not despise all government, only this one.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 12:50 AM

Remember VANITY FAIR..."Hitchin' A Ride"? Well, this ain't it.

Get April's VANITY FAIR at Barnes and Noble, or, Hastings. I keep saying that the US and Israel have been up to shennigans, but you all refuse to listen. Great article coming out in the April issue of VF.

Here is just a small taste.

"U.S. conspired to cause civil war in Palestine

By: pfs on: 11.03.2008 [04:49 ] (133 reads)

Vanity Fair" reported that it has "obtained confidential documents, since corroborated by sources in the U.S. and Palestine, which lay bare a covert initiative, approved by Bush and implemented by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams to provoke a Palestinian civil war."

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Journalist David Rose outlines Iran-Contra-style plot in April issue of Vanity Fair

United States officials including President George W. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice participated in a conspiracy to arm and train Contra-style Palestinian militias nominally loyal to the Fatah party to overthrow the democratically-elected Hamas government in the occupied Palestinian territories, an investigative article in the April 2008 issue of "Vanity Fair" has revealed.

The allegations are corroborated with confidential U.S. government documents, interviews with former U.S. officials, Israeli officials and with Muhammad Dahlan, the Gaza strongman personally chosen by Bush.

The article, by David Rose, recounts gruesome torture documented on videotape of Hamas members by the U.S.-armed and funded militias under Dahlan's control. Hamas had repeatedly alleged such torture as part of its justification for its move to overthrow the Dahlan militias and take full control of the interior of the Gaza Strip in June 2007.

"Vanity Fair" reported that it has "obtained confidential documents, since corroborated by sources in the U.S. and Palestine, which lay bare a covert initiative, approved by Bush and implemented by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams to provoke a Palestinian civil war." The magazine adds that the plan "was for forces led by Dahlan, and armed with new weapons supplied at America's behest, to give Fatah the muscle it needed to remove the democratically-elected Hamas-led government from power."

Abrams was one of the key Reagan administration figures involved in the Iran-Contra scandal in the 1980s, whereby the U.S. illegally armed militias in Nicaragua to overthrow the ruling Sandinista government. Abrams was convicted and later pardoned for lying to Congress.

While it has been known that the U.S. engaged in covert activity to subvert Palestinian democracy and provoke Palestinians to shed each other's blood, the extent of the personal involvement of top U.S. officials in attempting to dictate the course of events in Palestine — while publicly preaching democracy — has only now been brought to light.

Bush met and personally anointed Dahlan as "our guy" in 2003. In July 2007, The Electronic Intifada reported on a leaked letter written by Dahlan and sent to the Israeli defense minister in which he confirmed his role in a conspiracy to overthrow then-Palestinian Authority President ****** Arafat for whose replacement Bush had publicly called. Dahlan wrote: "Be certain that ****** Arafat's final days are numbered, but allow us to finish him off our way, not yours. And be sure as well that ... the promises I made in front of President Bush, I will give my life to keep."

The U.S. planning to overthrow the government elected by Palestinians under occupation began immediately after the Hamas movement won a clear victory in the January 2006 election for the Palestinian Legislative Council. Hamas, however, proved "surprisingly resilient."

These are the reasons that our government, and, now, the American people are the most hated in the world. CHANGE, is more than just a political, jingolistic slogan for Hillary and Obama, it is something that is coming whether, you, the government, or, the war mongering, war profiteering, oil companies and corporations, along with the Neocons, the Likudists, and the globalists like it, or, not.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 12:56 AM

I received ***** for President Arafat's first name. I feel that it may be the "A" followed by the two "S"s that was the problem. President Arafat's first name was YAS SAR, but, it is all one word, without the space between the two "S"s.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 1:14 AM

Do you speak German? If so, when in Israel, keep your mouth shut.

It is hard to believe that there is so much hatred in Israel for the German language. Note the last sentence of the story. This guy wasn't in the Holocaust, but he is offended by hearing German, because "It is the language that my grandfather and grandmother were killed in." Hell, it was over 45 years ago. Time to move on. Get a life. Now, Israel is oppressing the Palestainans and southern Lebanon. Your Mossad is killing scientists and others in Iran, as you did in Iraq, before the War of Agression. Now, you are the killers, the theives, the oppressors, with their blood on your hands, surely you must be happy now?

"German Chancellor Merkel will address the Israeli Knesset on Monday."

"Knesset grits teeth over Merkel speech"

Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:38:39

"Merkel is slated to address Knesset next Monday.

A decision to allow German Chancellor Angela Merkel to address Israeli parliament in German has infuriated some of the body's members.

Calling German 'the language of the oppressors,' the disgruntled members of Knesset (the parliament) claimed they had problems with the decision as they could not dissociate the language from the Holocaust, Ynetnews reported.

Though, the Knesset house committee voted 7-2 to giving the speech the go-ahead, there were calls among the members for the address to be delivered in English

MP Arieh Eldad said his "ears would ring" at the sound of the language, adding, "I can't hear German in the Knesset plenum. It's the language that my grandfather and grandmother were killed in."

Joined, on a visit, by 80 diplomats and lawmakers, Merkel is slated to make the speech next Monday. "

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 1:39 AM

Was Eliot Spitzer, who is Jewish, Bushwaked by Spitzer's Jewish enemies? 100% specualtion on my part.

Okay, I don't understand all of this. Eliot Spitzer, the Governor of New York is Jewish. He has a beautiful Jewish wife. He is a multi-millionare, and can well afford $5,000 an hour for a hooker. It makes me sad that he felt the need to seek one out, but I am not a prude, and it is his and his wife's business.

I liked Spitzer during 9/11, I disliked him intensely over his immigaration and illegal driver license plan.

So, here is what I don't understand. Spitzer is Jewish, the operator, and procurror of the Emperors Club is Jewish.

Follow me for a bit longer.

Back in 1999, Spitzer, then NY Attorney General, went after two very well known and high profile Jewish orginizations. The targets of Spitzer's investigation were the "JEWISH WORLD CONGRESS" and the "the NATIONAL COUNCIL OF YOUNG ISRAEL."

At Young Israel, Spitzer's team found several problematic situations, mostly revolving around payments to thier leader, Rabbi Pesach Lerner. Spitzer turned the case over to federal and state tax authorities.

The World Jewish Congress involved some very heavyweight Jewish men in a scandal that got little US press. From the British newspaper, THE INDEPENDENT.

"The World Jewish Congress, which has wrung billions of dollars in Holocaust restitution from European governments and companies, is being investigated by the authorities in New York following a series of unusual money transfers of hundreds of thousands of dollars."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...

There was about $20 BILLION in art, and payments for art looted by the Germans during WWII, that seems to have triggered the initial investigation, due to "interesting" money transfers, and activities. It was a very serious mess.

By all accounts which I have read, Spitzer really went light on the World Jewish Congress. He refused to investigate the World Jewish Congress' Swiss bank accounts, and other European ties and oddities.

Ronald Stephen Lauder. magnate of the Estee Lauder cosmetics gorup, is now the President of the WJC.

from the Independent.... the World Jewish Congress "has attracted the attention of Elliot Spitzer, the New York state attorney general, who is making informal inquiries into the transfers ordered by Rabbi Israel Singer, the president of the WJC since 1985. It is possible his office could order a full-scale inquiry."

"The inquiries follow a series of allegations about the organisation's accounting practices by its most outspoken internal critic, Isi Liebler, the WJC's senior vice-president. Mr Liebler, who has declined to comment in public, has demanded a full independent audit of the group's finances."

Mr. Isi Liebler, who was the Senior VP, had questions about the World Jewish Congress' accounting practices. Mr. Liebler is no longer Senior VP.

Okay, here it is. I question whether, Jewish accquaintances of Governor Spitzer were familiar with his personal bedroom habits, and due to his taking on the two Jewish organizations, did they, in any way, contribute to his downfall? Yes, I do believe in conspiracy. Yes, I do believe in intrigue. Spitzer had national office ambitions. He lost my support with his championing of Illegals and push to give them drivers licenses. I thought that he had a future, and would be the type of Demcorat whom would be hard to beat.

Did Spitzer make some serious Jewish enemies? Matthew Bronfman is the Chairman of the World Jewish Congress Governing Board. He is, also, Honorary President of the Samuel and Saydie Bronfman Family Foundation. From their mission statement.

"The Foundation is dedicated to fostering initiative and enterprise among Canadians. It is a leader in providing developmental funding to non-profit ventures in Canada which deal with challenging social, cultural and educational issues."

Matthew, may be involved in the SEGRAM distillery, as it is held by Bronfmans. The Bronfman family owned, or, does own about 49% of Segrams. Matthew sold his NYC Mansion for $24 Million.

These are not light weight players. So, if they had a grudge against Spitzer, they had the resources, connections, and money to make it happen.

I am not saying that this is what happened, but it sure got me to thinking when I read more about this situation.

It would not be the first time that there was a conspiracy to defame a prominent indivual, either for spite, or, to send him a message.

100% specualtion on my part.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 2:52 AM

Your rant was full of errors.

I very plainly stateed quite clearly, and on numerous ocassions, that there was no mention of SSGT. Skelton's death ("A soldier was killed today," etc.) ,or, the attack in which it took place, in the US national media, National TV Networks, Cable Channels. I made no mention of local press, in which it did receive mention. I read the Missourian and was aware of it's local coverage of his death.

The only person whom I have said "lied" was Rod Jetton, and that was about a different story. There was no reference to "liars" concerning the SSGT. Skelton story, but you tried in your rant to make it appear that way.

So, you are of the opinion that there is no coverage of the daily attacks upon the US Military in Iraq, and Afganistan, because the media is trying to save the families from suffering? That is pure ignorance, or, your attempt to make a propagandistic excuse for that lack of coverage. You know, just like president Bush is saving all of us, particularly the Families, from viewing the arrival of the coffins arriving at Dover AFB. Sure, Bush is saving the families, because they are going to be watching TV and there will be a casket coming off the plane, and grandma is going to exclaim. "Oh, My God, that is Johnny. I would recognize his casket anywhere." Yes, the press is saving us from suffering by not telling us of these daily attacks, and Bush is saving us from trauma and suffering by not allowing caskets to be seen off-loaded at Dover. It is so nice that the government and the media is concerned about our suffering, the "families." The media used to show family members after had been told that their child had been killed in Iraq. They don't do that anymore, because instead of being good propaganda tools, and saying, "we need to stay there as long as it takes, so my son didn't die in vain," which is what the media and your president wanted, they began to attack Bush. Can't have any bush bashing during this glorious war on terror, can we?

SSGT. Skelton did an honorable thing by volunteering to take another soldiers place. However, I regret that he died in a cause that has no moral standing. Iraq never did a thing to us. They had no WMD, they were no threat. President Saddam Hussein had offered to debate Bush before the neocons attacked him and the Iraqi people. This was a set up from the first day that that scumbag Bush entered the White House. Now, if you don't understand that, that is your problem, not mine.

..."gave all so that even idiots like Brill can continue to have the freedom to spew their slanted, hate filled messages in public forums"

Really? Do you really belive this crap? That men and women are dying in Iraq for my freedom? My freedom to exercise my 1st Amendment rights? Come on now, you are an emotional sort, but surely you don't believe that one American has died, lost an eye, lost a leg, an arm, or, had their brains scrambled in Iraq to defend my, or, any other American's freedom?

If you do sincerely believe this nonsense, then tell me, kind sir, what freedom did I, or, any other American lose in Iraq, that Americans had to go there and reclaim? Hmmm? What freedom did President Saddam Hussein, Tariq Aziz, or, any Iraqi pose to my freedom?

Now, I will tell you what dummies like you will do. If this Republican US Supreme Court decides that we do not have a right to bear arms, YOU, and all your little Army and Marine buddies will go door to door thoughtout this United States and attempt to take our weapons away from us. That, sir, is what YOU will do. You have no regards for our freedoms. You belive our freedoms are set by government, and goverment has the right to take them away at whim. YOU will follow orders, because you know not how to think. You do what you are told.

No, you do not defend my freedoms. Only if you are engaged with an enemy that actually poses a theat to the existance of the United States, and our individual liberties, would you be defending our freedom.

In my opinion, if you encircled the White House, encircled Congress and forced all the 40,000 war profiteering, war mongering lobbyists to go home and the adminstration and congress to vacate Washington, D.C., only then, would you be defending my freedoms.

I bet that we can get along very well without a tyrannical, bloated, over spending federal government.

In Louisiana, mercenary groups similar to Blackwater, hired by FEMA, elements of the New Orleans Police, and "possibly" NG's confiscated guns in the high and dry areas of the city. They took them from peaceful doctors, and attorneys who were defending their homes from looting.

An Israeli hired by one of the mercenary groups operating in NO, said that "Americans thought that they were going to resist turning over their guns, but when they saw that ours were bigger, they got scared."

Well, as for me, I am in charge of my freedom. I am responsible for my freedom. I am equipped to defend my freedom from all enemies of same, should it be necessary to do so. If that Israeli merec came here, I do believe that I could match his caliber, and maybe raise him on it. You are not responsible for my freedom within the borders of the US. Don't get any ideas about violating Posse Comitatus. That would really peeve me greatly.

It is nice to know that young men and women still join the military, should we ever need them to defend this nation, but they are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan is not defense of America. They are men and women who are being used as the thugs, as the bullies to terrorize these nations in order to gain their resources for Halliburton, UNOCAL, and dozens of other war profiteering, and war mongering special interests.

There is no excuse for any American soldier, or, Marine to be in Iraq, or, Afghanistan. None whatsoever. What has been committed there are war cimes by this government.

Come home, stay in your barracks, enjoy what bit of life that you can after experencing such hell. But, don't try to tell us that you were there defending our freedom.

The lies stop here.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 3:35 AM

According to the Pentagon, less than 5% of the attacks carried out by the Resistance in Iraq is committed by anything that could be loosely called "Al Qi-dah."

That means, upwards of 95% of the Resistance attacks are being conducted against occupation forces by good, ole home-grown Iraqi's.

95% of Resistance Operations are carried out by residents of Iraq. Approximately 75% - 85% of Iraqis say it is okay to kill Americans, yet, some still want to argue that Americans are there defending our freedoms.

How ignorant, ill-informed, or, perhaps, intentionally propagandistic, words designed to generate support for this never ending war of empire and war profiteering greed.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 3:57 AM

The minimum wage has not been the cause of the increase of food prices, the gas prices have. We all better start worrying about what is going on right here in our country instead of over seas all the time. Our enconomy is in the tank, people losing their homes and cars and everything they got. We have major problems right here at home and immediate attention is required by all. This administration has not paid attention to the domestic agenda since they been in office and hopefully in November the people will change that.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 6:59 AM

Brill

So how is Mike doing? Found another CB handle that you give away your true colors when you open your mouth.

Don't speak about Brad as if you knew him. Don't talk about any Vet as if you share some form of bond with us. Your Vet status is hearby revoked.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 10:52 AM

Just checking to see if this is functioning.

-- Posted by D'oh on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 10:56 AM

Just testing

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 11:09 AM

There is come truth to Brill's 2:35 post. You know this administration has lied and deceived on more than one occasion. And he is correct - what freedoms have been secured by our invasion of Irag? None! We weren't attacked by Irag and we weren't threatened by them either. Be fair in you assessment. This is not an attack on our soldiers - I'm fond of them, especially one special soldier.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 11:51 AM

Hmmmm(?)!. Testing. Looks like we have a failure to communicate going on here. Yesterday, this site beast seemed to want to keep recycling itself every time you clicked the "post your comment" bar. Now, 12 Mar 08, there's nothing at all showing up below the actual "nothing" Speak Out section. Maybe it's time to call TAPS in...we may have a haunted blog on our hands!

Alternate Hmmmm(?). Or, perhaps the Webmonster got tired of Brill/Fletcher/MJB, or whatever his psycho-moniker for the dayis, spewing his obsessive-compulsive hate diatribes, so he decided to erradicate us all(?)! Oh well.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 11:55 AM

I think that I will have to agree with DickCheney's assessment of Brill's 2:35 post. There is some truth to it.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 12:51 PM

James Nall,

Some truth, but when you scroll down and count how many times Jew, Neocon, and conspirancy is mentioned in his other nutty rants, one cannot forgrt that this is a guy who stalked one of these other posters.

Personally, I'd rather be on the other side than Mike Bellou, Nick Charles, Fletcher.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Wed, Mar 12, 2008, at 1:27 PM


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