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Speak Out 3/8/08

Saturday, March 8, 2008

Doing his job

PERHAPS BEFORE making judgments about Missouri Conservation Department agent Darrin Petitt, the people of Cape Girardeau should do some research. He takes calls and complaints on a daily basis about property damage due to deer and increasing deer-vehicle accidents. He is simply making a suggestion to the city about programs that have proven successful in other cities that have this problem. This issue will need to be addressed sooner or later. If anyone has a better suggestion, take your ideas to the conservation department in an appropriate manner. Petitt is doing is his job, and I commend him on a job well done. Keep up the good work.

Sensible plan

I LOGGED on to the Missouri Conservationist Web site to view the results of other bowhunting seasons in city limits. I viewed the St. Louis and Kansas City trial programs. No accidents or injuries were reported. In fact, vehicle collisions with deer have declined since the programs began. And to say that all hunters drink alcohol while hunting is stereotyping. We work in your hospitals, teach your children and try cases in the legal system. And with the meat we collect, we feed the poor of our communities. When is the last time you did something for those less fortunate?

Get informed

A LOT of the people making comments about bowhunting in Cape Girardeau don't know much about bowhunting. They hear the words "hunting" and "inside the city limits" and freak out. Does everyone think there would be a bunch of rednecks running around shooting anything that moves? Maybe if officials would have a meeting where concerned citizens could come together and have their questions answered, it might cure some unwanted fears. There can be easy compromises in a situation like this. Just give it some thought, ask questions and don't jump to conclusions about hunting or the people who love this sport.

Dangerous deer

HITTING A deer on the highway at speeds of 55 mph is a lot more deadly than an elderly woman backing into your vehicle. I have hit a deer crossing the highway, and I'm blessed to still be here today. As for the comment that most deer hunters drink alcohol: Surely you don't know my husband. Hunting is a privilege, and he takes it seriously.

Good work ethic

I DON'T know how many Mexicans in Southeast Missouri are legal or illegal, but I know they work hard. And they walk most places because they can't get a driver's license. If all the people on welfare had that kind of work ethic, we wouldn't have nearly as many people on welfare looking for a handout from the government. Everybody feels like the government owes them something. Get to work. Rod Jetton, I agree with you.

Do something

IF THE Democrats are complaining about the need for change, why haven't they introduced legislation while they've been in control of Congress to take care of some of these problems? Or is it going to be like the rest of the Democrats who are in there now but haven't done squat?

Ready to move

I AM leaning toward leaving the U.S. I've made a list of countries I wouldn't mind living in and becoming a citizen. This country is the laughingstock of the whole world. This country is nothing like what it was when I grew up. Nobody cares about anybody. Politicians lie. Government agencies aren't any good either. I'd rather live in another country than be embarrassed. I have no faith in my government.

Taking action

SPEAK OUT is a great way for folks to vent their frustrations and to tell the public about good deeds. As I read this column, though, I can't help but wonder how many times a caller might follow up with a letter to those responsible. Freedom of speech is a good thing, and Speak Out is an excellent forum. But if we're truly passionate or concerned about what we say, we should always put verbal comment into written word and direct it to someone who's in a position to do something about it.

Look to the future

ONE OF our area elementary schools has a sign up that says something like "It doesn't matter about happily ever after, what matters is happy right now." On face value, that may seem true, but I think it's sending the wrong message to kids. It's what we've become in society. We don't worry about tomorrow. That's why we have such a problem with our environment. It's why we have such a problem with our economy and it's why we have such moral issues now. This is what we've taught our kids. It's called instant gratification. That's a self-centered attitude. I'm not saying we should be unhappy, but there's a balance. We should look to the future and look at the consequences of our actions.

Bowhunting comments

A RECENT comment said most deer hunters drink alcohol when hunting. This is ridiculous. I've been deer hunting for 22 years and never had a drink while doing so. And I've never seen any of my companions imbibe either. Another comment about the pain and suffering caused by archery hunters is equally misguided. A well-placed shot by a skilled archer often kills the deer much quicker and more peacefully than a gunshot would. These misguided comments are getting on my nerves.

Thanks for the effort

THIS COMMENT is about the story of Sahara and Shannon Aldridge, "Playing for Sahara." My daughter played for Shannon Aldridge for two seasons. In that time she learned more about religion, basketball and making good decisions than I could ever have hoped to accomplish. In dealing with all the stuff Shannon went through, he continues to work with youths in Cape Girardeau County. Thank you very much, Shannon. It is appreciated.


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My husband is an avid deer hunter every season. He does NOT drink any alcohol before going out in the woods and neither does any of his hunting buddies. However afterwards, they may have a few while sitting around the campfire telling their hunting stories. I don't know of ANY hunters that booze it up before hand. Where on earth do these people get their information? Maybe it's because they've been there, done that...and their stereotyping ALL because of their own lack of good judgment.

-- Posted by leighann457 on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 7:33 AM

I agree Leighann.

I believe people have fears of arrows flying down Sprigg and Bertling.

Look to the future:

I don't read that comment as meaning instant gratification. I take it as quit living in a fairy tale.

Ready to move:

Please leave. I want to leave too. Every night in my dreams I leave for an exotic island. Of course I want to leave for different reasons. Beach, sand, sun.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 8:49 AM

To the person who says that he is looking to live in another country because we have became the laughing stock of the world. Well, here is my opinion our country is the greatest. Yes, we have problems right now but we will bounce back like we always have in the past. I suggest to this person that he reads the famous script from President John F Kennedy "Ask not what your country can do for you but ask what you can do for your country". The United States is the greatest and will remain the greatest nation on the face of this earth.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 8:50 AM

To the person who says that he is looking to live in another country because we have became the laughing stock of the world. Well, here is my opinion our country is the greatest. Yes, we have problems right now but we will bounce back like we always have in the past. I suggest to this person that he reads the famous script from President John F Kennedy "Ask not what your country can do for you but ask what you can do for your country". The United States is the greatest and will remain the greatest nation on the face of this earth.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 8:50 AM

Gentle Homeowners,

You could have addressed the deer with the same face-saving presuption of innocence that should always be used to discourage annoyances: a cheerful "I'm sorry, but your habits are bothering me." Miss Manners just wants to make sure the bow hunters are listening when you say this.

-- Posted by ho ho ho on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 9:21 AM

Deers

Bow hunting

Work ethic

Immigrants

Nobody cares

Taking action

School signs

Politicians

Government agencies

Moving out of the Country

No comment.

-- Posted by Lord_love_a_duck! on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 10:31 AM

Ready to move: This nation is the greatest nation that ever existed. I do believe however that its government is well suited to a banana republic. A nation is more than its government. Don't leave, evently this government will colaspe on its own. Its visions of empire does not fit well within a dynamic world economy. The mob that supports this style of government will eventually turn against it after they suck this nation's coffers dry.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 10:34 AM

As for me, I can't leave. Where would I be without Taco Bell?

-- Posted by Make no mistake about it on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 10:40 AM

Just testing this new forum wouldnt let me comment lately...

BTW I start a job at a local factory Mon. :) Not the office job I wanted but it will help pay the bills nonetheless.

melzie

-- Posted by Melzie on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 10:41 AM

Just testing this new forum wouldnt let me comment lately...

BTW I start a job at a local factory Mon. :) Not the office job I wanted but it will help pay the bills nonetheless.

melzie

-- Posted by Melzie on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 10:42 AM

Verifying the new system.

-- Posted by Check_Mate on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:05 AM

Lord love a duck

I like it!

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:07 AM

Melzie

Great going!

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:09 AM

shibboleth

-- Posted by Stirring_the_Pot on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:11 AM

abracadabra

-- Posted by Stirring_the_Pot on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:12 AM

James Nall

Oh, I think the USA will survive just nicely despite your pessimism. Why do you think you live in the worst of times during our country's history? I'm just curious.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:16 AM

conservababe, Gee! Thanks, chum.

Deer hunters is da cwaziest peoples! Or is it duck hunters, I getz the two confuzed?

-- Posted by Lord_love_a_duck! on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:28 AM

MeLange

I have to try something again. You will crack up, really. Last night the other conservababe returned but this time with a capital C and a period at the end of the name.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:43 AM

It's all make believe, isn't it?

-- Posted by Marilyn_Monroe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:43 AM

MeLange

Yes, it happened again. Their new profanity software threw out the word "."

I am laughing so hard.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:45 AM

MeLange

Don't you think this is going a bit too far in the restrictions?

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:53 AM

MeLange

I don't worry of the slow posting. I just file a nail while waiting.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:57 AM

I wonder if they are going to allow any html at all?

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 12:03 PM

WHY do SOME people continue to try to post profanity on this forum???? Why do you think this is even necessary???? JUST don't use OFFENSIVE words in the first place!!!! IF a post of yours comes out with astericks in it, then so be it. We will probably be able to figure it out. There is absolutely NO reason for SOME person to try posting the "c" word!!!! I have reported you!!! DeeDEEDee

-- Posted by I'm_just_sayin' on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 12:19 PM

I'm just saying

Do you think . written as a word is a profanity?

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 12:22 PM

I'm_just_sayin',

Lord love a duck! GET OVER YOURSELF! Your not IN a classroom, you are IN a public forum!

-- Posted by Lord_love_a_duck! on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 12:29 PM

So, idiot, THAT is why they put the filter on in the first place!!!! DUH!!!! NOW, thanks to YOU, we have that word there for all to see and read. WHY do you think you HAVE to test the filter???? Great God Almighty, THAT is what the filter is for!!!! Don't you GET IT?????????????????????

-- Posted by I'm_just_sayin' on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 12:32 PM

Me'Lange,

Have you tried posting without the avatar to see if it makes a difference? I am not using one and my posts are quite fast. Not suggesting you eliminate it, but that might give them a clue as to the problem.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 12:35 PM

Never mind, just testing an avatar and post speed.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 12:37 PM

to conerababe, of course . used as a word is not a profanity.... DeeDEEDee!!!! But you found that out as a matter of course as you posted. What I am referring to is SOME person who persists in trying to post actual profane words to "see if they go through." That is pure stupid.

-- Posted by I'm_just_sayin' on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 12:37 PM

Me'Lange,

It doesn't change the speed, sorry.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 12:38 PM

I'm_just_sayin',

Listen **** face, I'll do as I dang well please. I don't need you to advise me of my **** ing behaviors!

-- Posted by Me'Lange on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, 11:36 am CST

Well, woo hoo!!!! Melange's TRUE colors come SHINING through!!!! See what kind of person you REALLY are????

-- Posted by I'm_just_sayin' on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 12:42 PM

"Idiot" and "stupid" is more offensive than profanity???? GET over yourself!!!! I'll quote JOHN WAYNE for you -- "Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid."

-- Posted by I'm_just_sayin' on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 12:45 PM

Very little drives me nuts, but sure got a rise outta you!!!! Off to the showers, been "on the road again."

-- Posted by I'm_just_sayin' on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 12:47 PM

I'm just saying

Have you ever been a "fan" of anything, by any chance?

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 12:51 PM

Me'Lange,

Thanks, I thought about my Harley and a couple of other things, but this fits me better right now.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 12:55 PM

Me'Lange,

What are the parameters?

-- Posted by D'oh on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:01 PM

I'm glad to see I am not the only one perplexed over the blocking of some of these words. That was just my point last night.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:09 PM

Me'Lange,

How about a paper on the various UHC systems in use by various countries. I know term UHC is used as if it is "universal", but there are significant differences between the various countries and some have had to make significant modifications. Will keep thinking. I have done several, but they were along the lines of CJ and it was a long time ago.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:11 PM

Ready to Move----

Don't let the door hit ya..... o.O

If you aren't happy--go try out those places you think are so great.

Look to the future--

Good point. Instant gratification can be a major downfall.

Lord Love a Duck--

I loooove your avatar. LOL

I have a rubber duck with horns here at my house right by my tub. LOL

Melzie--

Gratz on the new job!!

Copy and Pasters---

I copy and paste every time from Word Pad...works just fine for me.

I guess I'm there is some kind of person I "REALLY" am as well, Melange....since **** is a word I use because it fits all aspects of language.

-- Posted by Superbethie on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:13 PM

Me'lange, do you write these essays as a hobby or for monitary gain? Since your interest is peaked by UHC, why not do an essay about that?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:13 PM

Is anyone else having the problem of resetting print size to smaller here and then having to reset to larger when leaving the paper's site?

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:17 PM

Me'lange how about an essay on prescription drug abuse. It's the new fad.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:18 PM

Testin new avatar...

-- Posted by Superbethie on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:24 PM

MeLange

How about an essay on the differing conclusions of the short term US EPA research and the long term British medical research on the effects of second hand smoke.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:26 PM

LOL..Thanks Melange!!

I had wanted to find one till I get my stuff reloaded to my comp.

-- Posted by Superbethie on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:29 PM

Well, aren't we moving up in the world. I like everyone's icons. How do we go about choosing one. Melange e-mail me if you know how.

Gore gets his due, take that Nobel Peace Award away. Ha-ha.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:29 PM

Well, aren't we moving up in the world. I like everyone's icons. How do we go about choosing one. Melange e-mail me if you know how.

Gore gets his due, take that Nobel Peace Award away. Ha-ha.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:29 PM

Well, aren't we moving up in the world. I like everyone's icons. How do we go about choosing one. Melange e-mail me if you know how.

Gore gets his due, take that Nobel Peace Award away. Ha-ha.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:29 PM

Oops, sorry for the repeats

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:30 PM

MeLange

Oh, I think you would be favorably surprised at the differing conclusions drawn. One study was a fast response to the anti-smoking lobby and the other a true medical research study.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:33 PM

Actually there are many articles available on line. How many sources do you need? Are you taking comp 2 at SEMO?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:34 PM

Aggie

It's really easy to get an avatar. Just google search 'free avatars' and find one you like. Download it to your computer. Come back here to your 'forum settings'. It will give you a browse option at the bottom to click. Find the avatar on your puter and click and save. It will show up here.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:39 PM

Me'Lange,

The "convict and release" would be an excellent choice as I have often expressed my opinion regarding the over utilization of probation and parole, of the decline in quality of supervision, level of supervision, no consequences for violations and so on.

Meth labs would also be an interesting topic as the process for manufacturing has changed dramatically from the original "Nazi Method" as laws have made certain ingredients more difficult to obtain, alternative methods have been created. People keep coming up with "solutions" that never seem to work. You might also consider approaching the implications of legalization of controlled substances as some have advocated.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 1:45 PM

If anyone has any 'copy cat' recipes of the restaurants in this area and have made them and liked them would you contact me...

conservababe@gmail.com

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 2:12 PM

Me'Lange,

Good luck on your project, it should be an interesting paper.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 2:13 PM

Now I'm onboard, ha-ha.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 2:22 PM

Melzie

That is great news. Hope you continue, though, to find the office job that you prefer. Please don't give up trying, although understandably much of your time and energy will be diminished due to working this new job. Wishing you the best...

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 2:35 PM

I'll be really interested to see what you come up with on UHC, I'm glad you decided on it.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 2:35 PM

RE: p e r i o d An example of censureship in which someone tries to please All of the People, All of the Time? Tough job, but somebody has to do it...LOL

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 2:39 PM

Me'Lange

Was just reading an article (haven't finished it yet) on cheating on tests in many schools...NOT by students, but by teachers, superintendents, etc.! The reason being, to bring the class scores up to acceptable. Might be an idea for you?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 3:04 PM

Thanks for mentioning that first Second Hand Smoke study, babe. Someday I AM going to find the article where the EPA director admitted that they had falsified the report, saying that when they were told to do the study, it was obvious what results were wanted. There are several good sites on-line which point out the flaws in all those studies.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 3:08 PM

Babe,

As slow as this stuff is posting on my computer, I would have my fingernails filed down to nubs if I did that while waiting! I might try writing the next "Great American Novel" instead.

-- Posted by thinker on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 3:15 PM

What's up with the Daylight Savings Time coming so early this year? It is too early!

-- Posted by thinker on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 3:17 PM

Melange, did I make your day? Impressed or par for the course?

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 3:38 PM

Just testing this new forum

-- Posted by prism192 on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 3:42 PM

Just testing this new forum

-- Posted by prism192 on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 3:42 PM

Babe: Been out working. Would like to know how you read pessimism in a very optimistic post. Sometime in the future, people will tire of fascism, and a peaceful revolution will happen. Men/womem in the future will think twice before worshiping rulers. This country is a far better nation than its government.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 3:44 PM

GurusMom

I like this article about second hand smoke and you are right on about the EPA admitting they had falsified/manipulated the results.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,2610...

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 3:49 PM

MeLange

The cookie recipe story is an urban myth.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 4:11 PM

thinker,

DST was moved up last year and standard time will be moved back to a later date I believe.

Mel,

I figured you could write a paper on the proposed sales tax increase to fund a water park. Could probably research other publicly funded projects and the success and failure of such.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 4:15 PM

Aggiefan....please change your Avatar,seen enough of this fella for 8 years.

-- Posted by changedname on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 4:19 PM

I'm testing to see if my puppy appears. Is there anything softer than a puppy nose? I LOVE Ms Manners avatar--made me laugh! SuperBethie's is perfect for her, Grey Wolf's wolf is another favorite, and how sweet is the face that Thinker chose? By the way, don't ever send anyone under the age of 17 to search for an avatar--some of them are downright disgusting!

-- Posted by Maxine_the_Magnificent on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 4:32 PM

ALRIGHT, class! Just settle down and get a grip. It's come to my attention that some of the usual suspect blog-bog backstrokers are languishing festering trying to figure out how to get away with cussin', swearin', and other tasty vulgarities. I don't see what the major malfunction is here. I simply indulge in swearing via the PHONETIC ALPHABET...& I prefer the military or international one! I even ran the concept by our friendly "Webmonster", and he seemed to get a grin out of it...don't know if the other suits a the paper will though.

Here's some examples of how to "tastefully" swear like a sober sailer...yes, I said sober (don't drink any more), so maybe I should 'splain that. Easy, just consider that a sober sailor can likely be more angry and, therefore, nastier than a drunken one because, well...he's not allowed to get drunk!!! Got it? Now, back to the lesson plan.

Examples of proper phonetic alphabet cussin' etiquette: #1. What might you think I mean when I say something like, "You're full of Bravo Sierra"? Hmmm? Caveat - Do not confuse that with Burma Shave, which kinda-sorta means just messin' around; other old "phart" types will relate to what that really applied to, like on long trips. #2. How's about: "I wanna see Alpha-holes and elbows"...like when conducting a Rat Race. #3. Here's a good one: "Get your Sierra in one sock, ya dumb-Alpha'd son of a Bravo"...or dog. #4. Or a classic: Foxtrot off"!!! A bit more civil than resorting to something like Pluck off. Sheesh! Now I suppose I have to get sidetracked again and give ya the historic "analysis" (read, goofy story) of how "pluck" (can be regarded as an archery - longbo- term) evolved to a Foxtrot-type "F-word"...naw, I'll save that for a bedtime story. There now, that should get you started.

I should caution you honor role students that playing with the valid word, "chit" (older vets, &/or an old dictionary can define that...has to do with a requisition or permission slip) can be fun; howsumever, you'd best take special care not to commit a typo here, or the Webmonster will definately have you for breakfast! Try this on for an interpretive sample: "No chit, saila, plucky, plucky, luv ya long time"! Now, a respectable church-going person can righteously decode that innocent statement as: "You do not have permission, sailor, to pluck our chickens, but God love you for offering". Of course, I can just imagine how some of you usual suspect nasties in this bog would interpret it!!

OK, boys & girls. I think you have enough materials to study, and graduate at the top of your Vulgarity 101 class! Now get cracking (yes that means you too, S-Bethie, in your strange sorta way!). There VILL be a test!! Oh, and Burma Shave!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 4:55 PM

Just listening

-- Posted by DaveB on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 5:02 PM

Only takes about five seconds to post

-- Posted by DaveB on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 5:03 PM

Wow! I must be doing something right, especially with my last goofy diatribe...other than mess up with some proofreading again (Pleeeezzze reinstate that handy tool!!) The Webmonster didn't even nail me with any of those "****" thingies. Sierra hot!!! See, class, it's possible to spew profanities with a bit of style & grace! So get a handle on it. Oh, & Burma Shave again.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 5:27 PM

No, I think I'll keep my avatar. You think you've seen his face enough? Just wait, you'll be saying the same thing IF Hussein Obama and/or Hillbilly wins.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 5:47 PM

I hate daylight savings time. I think we should scrap it!

Herr--

I'm always cracking...*grinz wickedly*

It's so much more interesting to listen to you---you can say anything you want without ever getting an asterick. *grinz*

-- Posted by Superbethie on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 5:48 PM

Superbethie, How could anyone hate an extra hour of daylight? Yes, I realize the amount of daylight doesn't change, just the clock. But still, I wish it was DST year round.

-- Posted by stevmo on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 6:06 PM

Aggie

I think you should keep your avatar, it's a constant reminder to the rest of us - never again!

stemo

I love DST - it's one of the few things I give Bush credit for doing right. I'd much rather have more hours of light in the evenings than in the mornings. My farmer dad, does not agree. But with longer evening hours of light, I get to do my own "farming" in my garden, after my regular work day.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 6:20 PM

Dick, if I had to get up and go work outside at 5 am I probably wouldn't like DST either.

My feelings about W are more like disappointment, rather than the hate felt by a few on this site. In fact if he was running against the three current candidates I'd probably vote for him again.

-- Posted by stevmo on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 6:31 PM

Dick: everyone is entitled to their opinion. My only wish is congress/senate had term limits also.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 6:39 PM

*local news alert*

Can anyone tell me about an incident regarding Pretty Woman Lingerie???

AND Rudy Keller AND Hellomynameis, if what I am hearing is true, you both owe me an apology about our Prostitution debate last summer!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 6:46 PM

stevemo and aggiefan,

While I too have disagreed with some of GWB's actions or inactions, I too would vote for him if he was running against those candidates we will have this next election in both parties.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 6:50 PM

Quite an interested string today. Fun to read.

It doesn't appear that anyone got seriously PO'd today. What gives?

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 7:45 PM

Just testing, sorry for the interruption.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 8:03 PM

I'll throw a wild card out there: How about some input on the recent news that local National Guard troops will go to Kosovo?

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 8:11 PM

kjt: I would vote for GW again and again etc. regardless

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 8:15 PM

Aggiefan,

For me it would depend on who else was running, but it is good to see someone with such commitment and loyalty.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 8:29 PM

I like W. It is funny how much grief he's been given over how "homespun" and unpolished he is. Admittedly, he is rather plain spoken, and I think he comes off better when he's using his own words and not those of a speechwriter. Reagan and Clinton were real orators, and even GWHB wasn't bad. W is a real contrast to them.

I think W is human, he cares and he sticks to what he believes in. I respect him, and I'd vote for him again.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 9:28 PM

*local news alert*

Can anyone tell me about an incident regarding Pretty Woman Lingerie???

The only thing I've heard is of a local Cape man, name of Swan, who was found in the dressing rooms trying on various items of lingerie. When questioned, he tried to say he was the same size as his wife and was trying them on "for her."

-- Posted by I'm_just_sayin' on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 9:39 PM

Aggie,

It's ok, we still think you are a good guy. LOL

yasgurfarm,

Don't want to argue with you, just was curious on something. How does your Grandmother getting more SS because your Grandfather's was higher piracy? Would you have perfered her not to get any SS? Or just hers?

Your grandparents might be younger then mine were, but my Grandmother was from a generation in which women didn't work, so her only option was my Grandfather's SS. And since he died just after retirement, am happy my Grandmother got his SS instead of the Gov. But, just my look on it.

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 9:51 PM

Nice win today by the Notre Dame boys basketball team to win the state championship. Team is a class act and represents the community well. Go Bulldogs!

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 10:42 PM

Pups, if you are a surviving spouse, you only get ONE social security payment. Your, or your spouse's, whichever is highest. Tell me how it is fair that you don't get BOTH after BOTH OF YOU paid in your whole life.

It is piracy.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:16 PM

I'm vampiric----I prefer darkness....

o.O

No really--I don't care what they pick..I just want them to frickin pick one time and stay there.

-- Posted by Superbethie on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:17 PM

yasgurfarm,

I appologize. I totally misunderstood your stance. I whole heartily agree with you.

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:26 PM

Superbethie,

Absolutely LOVE the new avitar!!

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:29 PM

I'm_Just_Sayin, there's always an ******* in the bunch isn't there? What's that saying about, "If a rectum could talk?"

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:42 PM

No problem, Pups. Many people don't understand that.

Have a great evening. Beddie bye time!

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, at 11:58 PM

Lazy *** Missourians and Rod Jetton

Well, Rod Jetton has given a belated, half-hearted, "to save my ***" apology for the unkind, and untrue things that he said about Missourians, and, specifically, Wayne Countians.

Sorry, Rod. Your original statement was your wrongly held, deep-seated beliefs.

Michael Winder, a new commer in 2006, nearly cleaned your clock. Winder is a solid 2nd Amendment Democrat. Your statments are held by many Neocon Republicans, like yourself, and this November, you all will see the errors of your ways.

Free brain scans for all those who would vote for George Bush for a 3rd term. I agree with you that those candidates in both parties, who have been chosen for you by the elitist, and, globalists in both parties are Gawd Awful, to vote for the man who has brought us to the most critical point in our history, since another Republican, the tyrannt Abraham Lincoln, is not the answer.

Republicans celebrate their heritage by worshiping, Lincoln, who tore our country asunder with his pre-neocon ideology of forcing the states to do his will. Lincoln caused misery for thousands of former black slaves, who would have been eventually freeded and would have entered southern society at a much quicker pace and more amicable assimilation, had Lincoln not used the "freeing" of only slaves in the south, as a weapon against his enemy.

Lincoln was a tyrannt. The Republicans worship him. Tonight, they invited the only US Senator in US History who was defeated by a dead person to pep them up at the Cape Girardeau Lincoln Day Dinner in Cape Girardeau. True to his neocon form, John Ashcroft stated that he supported the continued surveiliance of Americans under the scam of protecting us from Terrorism.

It is the terrorism that these globalsist, elitist, PNAC scum forced upon us by perpertrating the attacks on September 11th, 2001, as the vechicle to bring about their tyrannical New World Order.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 12:27 AM

Oh, Lordy, just guess who Brill is. Is there no end to his cut and paste, hate, illogical dogma, and irresponsible posturing? Guess not. His next poster name should be BAD PENNY -- he just keeps coming back over and over and over.

-- Posted by SaviorBreath on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 1:14 AM

Someone asked about my FLAG Avatar.

This was the beloved flag of the majority in Missouri, outside of the collaborationist enclaves of St. Louis and Cape Girardeau.

It would have been the flag of freedom and justice, saluted and honored by residents in Jackson, Dallas, Bloomfield, and Doniphan.

It is often called the Sterling Price flag, named after our great General of the Missouri State Guard, General Sterling Price. Price remained loyal to Missouri, our Constitution and to our Governor, Claiborne Jackson.

Loyalist Missouri units, also, carried their State Guard flag, which was a blue field, with the Missouri Coat of Arms upon it in the center of the blue. Following the pillaging of Missouri by the federals, and their collobaritionst sympathisers in St. Louis, northeastern and eastern Missouri, including, Cape Girardeau, the bast*ard puppet Governor of Missouri,Hamiitlon Gamble, put in place by the feds after seizing our government in Jefferson City, and forcing loyal Missourians, including our Governor, Claiborne Jackson, to flee southwestardly, established the Missouri Militia.

This was in a time, when the State Guard of Missouri, was truly the loyal troops of Missouri. Another gift that the Republicans gave us, in addition to the income tax, the popular vote selection of Senators, instead of the State legislators selecting the Senator, so that the state would have representation in Congress, the Republicans figured it out that it woudl be easier to bribe, buy, corrupt, or, blackmail a Senator who was elected by the people, and the federal reserve, a private group of big bankers, who control American monetary policy, the Republicans around the turn of the 20th century, changed our State Guards, into a National Guard, which the feds, then controled. Up until tha ttime, the purpose of the State Guards and Militias, were to defend the state against tyranny from the federals. The Guards were under complete control of the respective state, they are now under the ultimate control of the President of the United States. The Republicans were attacking the militia system, in order to gain complete control of the states.

Legend is that many of these 1st Brigade Missouri Confederate flags were sewn by the ladies of New Orleans and prssented to our loyalist troops.

More about a true Missouri hero, General Sterling Price.

http://www.pricecamp.org/price.htm

Union and Confederate troops and generals paid the highest respects and compliments to Missouri troops of the 1st Brigade under General Sterling Price.

"Cockrell's Missouri Brigade makes the Stonewall Brigade look like the Little Sisters of the Poor." Ed Bearss, Chief Historian, National Park Service

"[the 1st Missouri Brigade is] the best drilled brigade in the Confederacy." President Jefferson Davis

"I have attended reviews of the armies of General Pierre G. T. Beauregard, Bragg, Albert Sidney, and Joseph E. Johnston, and also in the old United States service, and I have never seen a finer looking body of men nor or more soldierly appearance and efficiency, nor have I ever witnessed better drill or discipline in any army since I have belonged to the military service." President Jefferson Davis

"I have never seen better fighters than these Missouri troops." General Van Dorn

"[The Missourians are] the finest, most efficient, best drilled and most thoroughly disciplined body of troops in the Army." General William J. Hardee, author of Hardee's Tactics

"the Missouri troops of the Army of the West were not surpassed by any troops in the world." General Dabney Maury

"Such imperishable renown have the Missouri troops gained in the late battle of Corinth, that all are anxious to witness and cheer the brave fellows who have suffered so much the Southern people will never forget." Southern civilian.

"I knew that the Missouri troops, under their gallant leaders, could be depended upon." General John Pemberton

"...they are as good as [sic] looking set of Reb. troops as we have seen." Union soldier

"If I had 10,000 more Missourians I would have won and carried the war." General John Pemberton

"Such material, properly worked up, would make the best troops in the world." Union General Sigel commenting on the Missouri State Guard troops, the soldiers that eventually became the Missouri Brigade.

http://members.aol.com/ozrkreb/hist4.htm...

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 1:20 AM

Without a "preview" it does make it more difficult to prevent writing long posts.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 1:24 AM

The KKK

The KKK would have never come about, if it had not been for the wanton blood lust and desire to punish and loot the south, that was visited upon the fallen Confederacy by the Republicans and their "Reconstruction."

The KKK set out to right wrongs, to punish those who had collaborated with the north during their war of aggression, and to punish carpetbaggers. Scummy northerners who came south to make their fortune off of the ruination of the south.

Quite a bit of their early focus did include scaring and killing former slaves.

However, you made my point. I said that had not the tyrannt Lincoln forced a war upon the states who wanted to secede from his tyranny, that, due to innovations, technology, and the natural belief of man, that man outght to be free, (the abolitionist movement spreading southward) that one day, a reconciliation would have taken place whereby slaves would have been freed, given the opportunity to go home,or, to the Carribean, or, to the north.

This would have been an amicable transition for the former slaves. They could have sought their own destiny. As it was, Lincoln used freeing the slaves as a military weapon. This caused great resentment in the south, and rightly so, because Lincoln did not free slaves in the north, only in the south, where he was not the President.

The nature of man, is to evolve. Eventually, slavery would have been abolished, and the former slaves would have been trasistioned into society, or, allowed to seek their destiny elsewhere, as inventions such as the cotton gin, mechanical farm implements, and a growing social awareness would have made slavery, impossible in the south.

The modern FBI created KKK bears no resemblance to the orginal KKK.

There were several incarnations of the KKK over time, but these were more faternal organizations, with Anti_Catholic, Anti-Semite, and Anti_Immigrant orgins that attacted a much different group of followers. There is some evidience that the 30's and 40's KKK were pro-Nazi. Therefore, I would suspect that your Bush's Grandfather, Prescott Bush, a Nazi sympathiser, and war profiteer was sympathetic to the KKK of that day.

As I said, the first group calling itself KKK, was for purposes to resist the federal tyranny visted upon the south following the War of Northern Agression.

"The Klan's first incarnation was in 1866. Founded by veterans of the Confederate Army, its main purpose was to resist Reconstruction. It focused as much on intimidating "carpetbaggers" and "scalawags" as on putting down the freed slaves. The KKK quickly adopted violent methods, but this caused a backlash as many Southern elites saw the Klan as an excuse for federal troops to continue their activities in the South. The organization declined from 1868 to 1870 and was destroyed in the early 1870s by President Ulysses S. Grant's vigorous action under the Civil Rights Act of 1871 (also known as the Ku Klux Klan Act)."

I would contend, that the majority of the lynchings took place after the first group of KKK came to an end in the very early 1870's. I would further contend that the most violence toward freed blacks, rural poor whites, Catholics and Jews, and European immigrants came during the next re-incarnation of the KKK, around 1915.

Depending upon when your grandfather was in the KKK, and what he did, while you may use his hood as an oil rag,a s that is your right, it could be much better utilized as a teaching aid with your children in a discussion of man's hatred toward man, including your presidents war against the Iraqi people. Odd that you think that the KKK was bad, (not that it wasn't) but you support the slaughter, tortune, degradation, and depravation of the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. Odd, very odd indeed.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 1:48 AM

Thanks for the avatar compliments! I must thank Melange who ran across that and thought of me.

I had been wanting a really good one..but hadn't found it yet. =)

-- Posted by Superbethie on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 1:51 AM

The Modern KKK and White Supremancy Movements

It is my opinion, that certain white supremancy movements, neo-Nazis, such as the group at Elohim City, Oklahoma, and the new KKK, are little more than inflitrated, or, created groups of the FBI, and the NSA.

It is just my opinion. These groups are useful to the federal government in many ways.

For many years, there has been a movement within the New World Order crowd to do away with the Constitutional rights of Americans. I first became aware of such an organized, high level plan to do so, when Senator Biden offered "Anti-Terrorism" legislation in congress, in early February, 1995.

I heard about the Biden's bill. It had NO support, even among his fellow Democrat Senators. Biden was ridiculed, and laughed at, by both parties in Congress. http://www.orwelltoday.com/anti_terroris...

Then, the Oklahoma City bombing took place. in April of that year. It couldn't have happened at a more fortuitous time for Biden. The bill sailed through at great speed. There were only SIX votes against this freedom robing legislation, all were Senate Democrats. One, Paul Wellstone, was murdered in a CIA-NSA operation just prior to the start of bush's Iraq war. (ah, hell, I guess it COULD have been an accident, but all these mysterious plane crashes, Paul Wellstone, that of Congressman Larry McDonald in KA-007 (google Congressman McDonald Korean) OR, http://www.rense.com/general40/007.htm

Jerry Linton, killed while ahead in the Missouri Governor race against Danforth, and Governor McCanahan killed during his lead over Ashcroft in the Senate race of 2000.

It is amazing, how these mysterious plane crashes are to fortutitous, so timely, and result in a victory for globalist, New World Order types, mostly of the Republican variety.

What are the odds?

Congressman McDonald, a ardent anti-globalist, anti-communist, was planning to run for President as a Conservative Democrat in 1988. Now, who would his opponent have been in 1988? George Herbert Walker Bush, former head of the CIA, a beneficiary of the plot by family friends to assassinate Ronald Reagan, and, who according to Ross Perot, had threatened his family with death threats during the 1992 election. Congressman McDonald allegedly went down with the crew and passengers of Korean Air Flight 007. What really happened to KA 007, probably never known outside of the circle of plotters against Congressman McDonald. A Conservative Democrat, such as McDonald, would have taken back Reagan Democrats, and brought many anti-communist Republicans who could not stomach that New World Order gloablist, George H.W. Bush. McDonald was a real threat to the gloabist and New World Order crowd. McDonald had to be killed.

I just do not believe in "lady luck," or, "good fortune" being visited upon these globalist, New World Order types like the Bush Crime Family, John Ashcroft, and Jack Danforth. I took a statistics class in college, and tend to think that these fortuante circumstances are outside the realm of real possiblities to be natural occurances. That is just my opinion.

A puzzler to me, is that the FBI had been informed ahead of time that there was to be a bombing in Oklahoma City. The BATF had a paid informant inside a neo-Nazi group, at Elohim City, Oklahoma. The informant, Carol Howe was telling her ATF of the pending attack. The ATF calls up the FBI to do a corridinated raid on this serious group of about 100 armed white supremists. The FBI harshly told the ATF to stay the hell away from Elohim City. The bombing takes place, and Tim McVeigh, who the ATF informat said was NOT part of the plot to bomb the Murrah building in OKC, took the fall.

Ashcroft swiftly executed Tim McVeigh who never said that he was involved in the attack. There was no proof that he was, in fact, the proof, the paid informant stated that he was innocent. She was NOT allowed to testify at the trial by Federal Judge Richard Matsch. May he burn in hell, and suffer eteranl torment for his treachery, and complicancy in this New World Order plot.

That is why there is a Hell, for miserable scumbag souls like that of Richard Matsch.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 3:38 AM

A great Associated Press article seen in the Southeast Missourian.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/5/5...

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 4:03 AM

What NO REPUBLICAN, nor, news reporter had the balls to ask John Ashcroft Saturday night, in Cape Girardeau.

If I hadn't had to wash my hair, and rinse out my socks and boxers Saturday night, I might have gone to the Lincoln Days Repbulican Love-Fest in Cape, Saturday night.

Of couse, I would have gone, only if I could have asked John Ashcroft one question. It would be a simple question, that even he could answer, if he had a shred of honesty left in him, which we all know that he does not.

My question would have been.

"Mr. Ashcroft, in March of 2001, well respected, mob busting attorney, David Schippers began to call you office at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. Why didn't you return any of his multitude of calls?"

ASHCROFT " I don't recall an attorney by the name of David Schippers."

ME "David Schippers is the attorney that you Republicans hired to impeach President Bill Clinton. He did that. You do recall him now do you not? He says that he knows you quite well."

ASHCROFT " Why would Mr. Schippers be calling me?

ME "In March of 2001, Mr. Schippers, who is well respected by the FBI, began to receive a parade of FBI agents to his door in Chicago."

ASCHROFT "So, how does that affect me?"

ME "The FBI Agents, many from the New York City area, came to Mr. Schippers office with details information that they were picking up on a planned terrorist attack upon New York City."

ASHCROFT "The agents should have gone to their superiors and that information would have come up to me through the chain of command."

ME "They did go to their superiors in the NYC area, and when they did, they all were told to 'Shut up and Go Away.' So, they went to a man whom they trusted, who had an outstanding record of busting the mob, and who had impeached the previous president. They sought out Mr. David Schippers. Mr. Schippers then began to call you in Washington."

ASHCROFT "I do not recall having received a call from Mr. Schippers. No, I do not recall."

ME "Mr. Schippers called on numerous ocassions, certain that you, knowing his reputation would take his call. In fact, on at least one ocassion, he told your staff about the nature of the call, pending attacks in New York City, and they assured him that you would immediately return his call."

ASHCROFT " I do not recall."

ME "Mr. Ashcroft, after the September 11th attacks, Mr. Schippers called several more times, yet, you failed to return his calls and to gather his information."

ASCROFT " I do not recall."

ME "Mr. Ashcroft, you did not seek his information about pending attacks upon the US, prior to the attacks, nor, did you contact Mr. Schippers, a well respected attorney and confidant of the FBI agents who had that information, even after the attacks. However, when Mr. Schippers appeared on a national radio talk show, gave the account outlined here, and, under persuassion to talk, did state that he felt that persons in, or, close to the US Government did plan and excute the attacks of September 11th, your office did contact Mr. Schippers and warned him that he should never discuss the topic in public again, isn't that so?

ASHCROFT "NO COMMENT!"

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 4:33 AM

My previous post, except for me "interviewing" Ashcroft, is a true account of an interview with Mr. David Schippers, the attorney who impeached President Bill Clinton.

For you "Conspiracy Deniers" Why didn't Ashcroft accept one, just one of Mr.Schippers numerous calls beginning in March of 2001, SEVEN MONTHS prior to the attacks on September 11th, 2001. Especially, since members of Ashcroft's staff at the Department of Justice, KNEW the nature of the calls, 'planned attacks upon the United States'?

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 4:40 AM

Is Rod Jetton a dirty, rotten, lying SOB (Silly Ole Boy)?

Rod Jetton lied about the number of Wayne Countians who applied for those jobs in Wayne County. Jobs, that Jetton, himself, described as not really good jobs. They paid about $8.00 an hour.

Jetton said that three (3) people applied for those jobs and he went on to say that Wayne Countians were lazy, and that he would trade Missourians for Mexicans any day. The truth has been revealed to us, there were over 300 Wayne Countians who applied for thos not so good, $8.00 an hour jobs. 300 Wayne Countians applied. There are only 141 Wayne county families on welfare in Wayne County, according to a government source which I cited earlier. Almost 4,000 are on food stamps due to the globalist polices of the New World Order types like Rod Jetton, Repubican Leader of the Missouri House of Representatives. He influenced other Republicans in his cavalier, globalist, Let them Eat Cake philosophy.

Thank God, Jetton, will never win an elected to public office in Missouri, ever again. My prayer is that he continues to "consult" Republicans like Jasson Crowell, and that they take his advice, his counsel, and statistics to heart and religiously repeat them in their public appearances.

I met some good Republicans in Wayne County recently. Republicans who are angry with Joann Emerson, especially, for reason that she has never really lived in the 8th Congressional District, the 12th poorest District in the Nation. Republicans who aren't sell-outs to the New World Order and globalism, like Rod, his cohorts, and his consultees are. They aren't all that happy with Rod either.

Rod received a little more scrutiny over his insane remarks than he had anticipated. His handlers, his pack of globlaist friends, thought that he should offer a half hearted apology and fool Missourians. It hasn't worked. His let them eat cake comments have hurt the Republican party in Missouri. Now, let's see if we can find a way to get them to go viral. Make a You Tube video with his hateful comments. Yep, that's the ticket. Paint these globaist Republican bast*ards with a broad brush of the "Let them Eat Cake" variety.

Rod Jetton, and the majority of Republican state office holders have no compassion for those they have harmed with their globalism, their off-shoring of our jobs, like the shoe factories, the hat factories, HUFFY BIKE, SPORTSWEAR, SMILEY CONTAINER, ROWE Furniture, DANA, Briggs and Stratton (Rolla), yes, the Republicans snickered at those job losses, because they see themselves as the elites, the "better than us" gang of theives, lords and masters of our fate. They make money off of globalism, off-shoring jobs, and our misery. Then blame us for our fate, when they orchestrated it to reap great wealth and profits.

Since they have no compassion for us, they will receive no compassion at the time when they will need it most.

Missouri is turning BLUE. Nice job, Rod.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 6:51 AM

"I'll throw a wild card out there: How about some input on the recent news that local National Guard troops will go to Kosovo?"

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Sat, Mar 8, 2008, 7:11 pm CST

I wouldn't wish that upon them. Bill Clinton's contribution to the New World Order scheme of George Herbert Walker Bush, and his scummy neocon friends, was to take out the strong nationalist leader of Jugoslavia, which included Kosovo. There were many reasons, one being that President Slobodan Milosevic wouldn't surrender his country to the New World Order scheme. Another is that KOSOVO is rich in resources and has potential for oil, oil transfer, and gold. A key reason that Clinton was ordred to take out Milosevic, was that his police and troops were disrupting the flow of narcotics from Albania that trans Kosovo in route to Europe for processing and distribution in the US. The globalists, the CIA, and particularly crime familes, like the BUSHs, didn't like that at all. They depend on that flow of narcotics to keep the family coffers full, ergo, one of the reasons that the US invaded Afghanistan, in addition to securing a FREE pipeline route for the Caspian Sea Pipeline of UNOCAL and other globalist Oil companines in the US, was to get rid of the Taliban in Afghanistan and get the narcotics flowing from there. The Taliban had virtually shut it down.

So, Clinton attacked Jugoslaiva, unprovoked at the behest of his New World Order handlers. Milosevic eventually withdrew his troops, and was tricked into holding early elections. The US dumped millions into a campaign against Milosevic, chosing a New World Order compliant candidate. He "won." Sort of how Bush won in Florida in 2000, and in Ohio, in 2008, but with the CIA rousting crowds in Beograde, Milosevic was unable to contest these rigged elections, and stepped down in the interest of his country. Milosevic was a nationalist, he didn't go along with the New World Order, and that is the same reason that Bush was tasked by his handlers to attack President Saddam Hussein and Iraq. But, that is another sad story. Same reasons, for the most part, it is just another sad, stained chapter in American History.

American troops stood buy while the cutthroat KLA, the Kosova Liberation Front, the marxist, drug peddling partner of the CIA and the NWO crowd killed Serb civilians after the war. The Americans, under the KFOR front UN designation, allowed thousands of Serbs to be killed, often in plain view of the KFOR troops. No, I would not want Missouri National Guardsmen to take part in any of that mess.

You will often hear Bill Clinton supports say, "Bush lied and people died, Clinton lied, but no one died."

THAT IS NOT TRUE. They both lied, and thousands died.

Bill Clinton lied about "genocide" in Kosovo.

General Wesley Clark lied OFTEN about Genocide in Kosovo.

Javiar Solanas, a rotten piece of human filth, a Marxist from Spain, and then Secretary General of NATO, LIED OFTEN about genocide in Kosovo.

All these charges of genocide were created out of thin air by the New World Order crowd, to convince a gulible, uninformed American public to go along with the war against the Serbian people and their nationalist President, Slobodan Milosevic.

Following the war, the puppet regime that the US had help elect in Jugoslavia, arrested President Slobodan Milosevic and sent him to a kangaroo court in The Hague, Netherlands. Years passed, there was no case agaisnt Milosevic as a war criminal, so, the US and Britan conspired to kill him in his cell, and call it natural causes.

This is why I fight so hard in this forum. I fight for turth.

Neither Milosevic, nor, President Saddam Hussien was as bad as our last three presidents, and the current crop of "candidates that we have before us, in yet another contrived, han-picked US election. Bush 41, Cinton, and Bush 43, are all war criminals. It saddens me that Justice is being denied, that they are all not in The Hague, awaiting their fate at the hands of a War Crimes Tribunal.

No, I do not want to see Missouri National Guardsmen used as stooges of the New World Order in Kosovo, Iraq, or, Afghanistan.

Kosovo is a serious issue. Russia has been a lot of blustery bluffing and huffing and puffing in the past in the cause of Slavs, but that doesn't mean that if the US sends troops to Kosovo to keep the narcotics routes open from Albania to Europe, that the Russians may have a sudden warm and fuzzy feeling for their Salvic neighbors in Serbia, and come to their aid, militarily.

When will we learn to stay home, and mind our own business? It isn't soon enough for me. Dead guardsmen wasted in another New World Order scheme, is not something that I wish to see play out.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 7:40 AM

Wow, the "dirty words" filter kicked out -wasted- in the last paragraph in my las post and gave it ******.

I contend that -wasted- is a good word, and not a-tall dirty.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 7:48 AM

Drat, it did it again. The word is "W-A-S-T-E-D". I suppose that the filter thinks it is a drug related word?

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 7:50 AM

Brill

A little late but this is the only thing I agree with you so far.....

Republicans celebrate their heritage by worshiping, Lincoln, who tore our country asunder with his pre-neocon ideology of forcing the states to do his will. Lincoln caused misery for thousands of former black slaves, who would have been eventually freeded and would have entered southern society at a much quicker pace and more amicable assimilation, had Lincoln not used the "freeing" of only slaves in the south, as a weapon against his enemy.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 11:24 AM

Who Me? Of course Brill is MJB. Did you not see my 12:14 a.m. post?

-- Posted by SaviorBreath on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 3:30 PM


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