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Speak Out 2/10/09

Tuesday, February 10, 2009

Feeding pets

IN response to the story "Food drive aims to help starving animals": Free food isn't going to solve the problem. If a person cannot afford to feed his pets, then he cannot afford shots and medication to prevent fleas, ticks or heartworms. We have two licensed pounds in this area, the Humane Society of Southeast Missouri in Cape Girardeau and Safe Harbor in Fruitland. Both of these places are nice.

Deceptive interview

IN an interview with John McCain, Dianne Sawyer played a clip of Rush Limbaugh's comments that had been spliced together to make it sound as if he wished Obama would fail because he is black. She asked McCain if he was offended by the comments. She was hoping to get McCain to condemn Limbaugh for something he didn't say. McCain was smart enough to know that Sawyer was trying to use him and didn't take the bait. We all should be offended by Sawyer's purposeful attempt to deceive McCain and the American public.

Life and liberty

I pray that during these tough economic hardships that every citizen will be thankful for their lives and liberty. Remember this struggle. Learn from it. We must not make the same mistakes. Live within your means. Take pride in your life and your families.

Education spending

I have been a Democrat all my life, but I disagree with some items in the stimulus package. I see now where legislators have watered down the money for infrastructure overhaul, something needed badly and something that would create good-paying jobs right now. I see where they increased the funding for education, mostly for Pell Grants. How is this going to put people back to work? All this money the taxpayers have thrown at this education bandwagon for the past 30 years has not worked because the majority of the funding for education goes to the top and not to classrooms. We need to get back to the basics and start moving more toward vocational and technical classes.

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Feeding pets: what happened to the days when we fed dogs table scraps?

Deceptive interview: Oh please. Limbaugh's a bigot and you know it.

Life and liberty: *sigh*

Education spending: Nice try, pretending to be a democrat. Here IS the facts Mate. No matter what FALSE information YOU or Limbaugh or anyother republicon prat tries to project...you're wrong! 67% of the country WANTS this stimulus. So shut your pie whole and quit your whinging!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 7:49 AM

out of all the animals on earth , dogs were domesticated

because they would eat human excrement .

they helped keep a village halfway livable until it was

time to move again ..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 8:09 AM

Hang on Buffalo Breath, according to CNN:

"While the President puts on a full court press, the debate over the more than $800 billion bill, which includes increased government spending and tax cuts, appears to have split the public. A slight majority, 54 percent, favor the bill, with 45 percent opposed."

And this is ahead of the main stream media actually report all the skullduggery in the legislation.

Call you congressperson and tell them to STOP. Take a breath. Do no harm! And for Christ's sake, quit lying to us.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 8:12 AM

Although I don't think the gov bailout will go to the right people, but education, particularly Pell grant money helped me. That & student loans, that got 8% interest. I got thru school in the 80's, and I've been the responsible tax payer for 20+ years Paid my loans off, bought a house, what more do you want other than a productive citizen for your money?

-- Posted by mutt_jdr on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 8:17 AM

50 De-Stimulating Facts

Chapter and verse on a bad bill.

By Stephen Spruiell & Kevin Williamson


-- Posted by blogbudsman on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 8:26 AM

good morning Me'Lange...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 8:43 AM

John in Jackson: You been getting screwed for the past eight years you just didn't know it until now. President Obama didn't ask for this mess it was left to him from the past administration who failed to do anything about the domestic economy the past eight years, because they were to busy pumping billions in to Iraq to take care of Haliburton and friends no bid contracts re-construction process. President Obama has been the only one that has paid attention to problems right here at home since Bill Clinton. It is time to take care of our people here in this country for once.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 9:24 AM

Life and liberty

"...thankful for their lives and liberty."


lib-er-ty (noun)

1. the quality or state of being free; a. the power to do as one pleases; b. freedom from physical restraint; c. freedom from arbitrary or despotic control; etc. [the definition get a little "iffy" with regards to my next point]

Thus, until I can go to Walgreens to purchase a pack of cannabis doobies to enjoy in the sanctity of my own home, I have no liberty or freedom for that matter.

"Remember this struggle. Learn from it."

I am not "struggling," in fact, I recieved a raise with my last paycheck.

"We must not make the same mistakes."

Speak for yourself. What do I care what Joe Blow in Idaho does? If Mr. Blow wants to go into debt by purchasing gummy worms, so be it.

Why do I have a feeling that b-l-o-w is going to be censored?

-- Posted by isobar on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 9:26 AM

Just a thought on education....

I always vote for education. Shaping future society members is and should be priority.

That being said, we should be careful how our vote is worded. i.e. casino money for education, okay, but they neglected to tell the public that money already allocated for education would be used somewhere else....grrrrrrr

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 9:39 AM

I was looking over my January AT&T phone bill and noticed it was more than usual. I checked all the charges and found a charge of $12.95 from VOICEMAILTODAY.COM I never ordered it or heard of it. I called AT&T about the charge and they new exactly what I was talking about. They have been getting many calls. The explanation I was given was that our government thought they were getting to large and ok'd other companies to add services to our bill without our knowledge (Imagine That). We have a code on our bill so no additions or changes can be made and it was allowed anyway. I had to call the Voicemail.com 800 number and get a credit and confirmation number. So anyone with AT&T check you bill closely the next few months you could be billed for services that you know nothing about. AT&T said it could take up to 120 days for it to stop. Our government at work.

-- Posted by Dog_lover on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 11:09 AM

I just read on the CNN Web Site Illegals from Mexico are packing up and moving back to Mexico and Central America due to our bad economy. One thing about it I guess this is some good news caused about our tough times is in fact forcing the illegals out of our country which is very good news for all of us americans. With that said we should show some signs of relief in our welfare and health systems and start saving some money.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 11:10 AM

Feeding pets

If you can’t afford to take care of pets properly, don’t have them. There are already too many irresponsible pet owners out there now.

Deceptive interview

Sadly, with the state of the media in all its forms, this is neither new nor surprising and is not restricted to any part or philosophy.

Life and liberty

While I am thankful for the liberty I have, I mourn that which I have lost. My children and grandchildren will grow up in a world much different than the one of my youth.

Education spending

I am opposed to the “Stimulus Package” as well as the original “bailout”. I can see nothing good to come of it. While there are certainly worth while elements in it, they should go through the regular legislative process. As to Pell grants, I have worked with them and they have shown to be abused far more often than used properly. They should not, however be eliminated and probably the amount should be expanded, but there needs to be greater oversight and accountability on all government expenditures.

-- Posted by RA on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 11:32 AM

Call your Senator - be heard, or be herded.


-- Posted by blogbudsman on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 11:41 AM

Me'Lange, you're kidding, right. They are eligible for more benefits than you are - even Social Security. Gosts us bazillions.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 11:47 AM


The abuses I saw and one was by my own nephew was that the grants were not used for what they were intended or the individual dropped out of the training/school without completion.

The landscape is littered with failed federal spending policies. Under one of those disadvantaged Missouri youths were sent to the University of Nebraska to obtain a GED, all costs paid by the taxpayer. You cannot imagine the government waste involved in DAEOC, LEAP, LEAC, MAMOS and too many other programs too numerous to mention.

-- Posted by RA on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 11:56 AM

Thanks Blogbud....

I emailed them both, LOL!

Not what you wanted to hear, huh?

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 11:58 AM

Feeding Pets: Is this person seriously suggesting that pet owners who can't afford flea, tick & heart worm preventatives surrender their pets to the Humane Society or Safe Harbor?! Then people wonder why so many pets are put down each year. Dropping your pet off at an animal shelter is not a solution, either. Provide your pets with food, fresh water, and a good home with plenty of love. It is better than burdening these already overcrowded shelters with yet another pet that someone wanted to drop off and forget about. If you can't afford to spay or neuter a pet then do not adopt one!!!

-- Posted by tammy1123 on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 12:00 PM


Pell Grants are distributed directly to the educational institution. They are not refundable, and cannot be used for anything else.

Perhaps your nephew had other scholarship money which was more than his tuition. In this case, he would be refunded extra $ (these are awards!), and allowed to stimulate the economy in any way he needed to.

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 12:02 PM

by refundable, I meant the grant will not be returned to the government once distributed...

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 12:07 PM

Look up "PRUCOL" aliens. That's a start. Butterflies are free, illegal aliens are not.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 12:25 PM

...and Theorist, good for you. If your argument is compelling and a majority agree; and or you can overcome the politics - have at it.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 12:29 PM


Well, I guess I must be delusional then because I remember coordinating benefits with other state agencies on them and in some cases the money was disbursed to the individual and in some to a training facility.

My nephew was sent to another state for training with all expenses paid and after sporadic attendance he dropped out and the taxpayers were out the whole amount.

I guess I had better drop out of this because it is apparent I have no idea what I am talking about.

-- Posted by RA on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 12:29 PM

Willy said, "Obama is taking care of you greywolf. If you are a taxpayer he is fixing to spend 17K per taxpaying household. Now this is just in a few weeks. Believe me this is just a small amount this guy will blow. In 2012 he plans to bump the welfare up to 1.5 trillion. That will bump it up to 25K per taxpaying household.

Change you can believe in. You need to do a little math before opening your pie hole.

I do not recall posting anything this morning Willy!!

Why do you reference the Wolf? Even more important, When did you ever here me say I was a Democrat!! Perhaps you opened your "pie hole" in error.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 1:10 PM


Congratulations to your wife for her ambition and fortitude! Thank you to her counselors and advisors who were able to help her procure the neccessary funds, and thank you to The Higher Education Act 1965 for enabling said funding. (Democratic Leadership)

Now, Willy, why on earth are you bashing Obama about this?

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 1:15 PM


Perhaps he meant it as a compliment! Oh to be associated with such reputable......laughing.

But alas, I fear he did not!

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 1:23 PM


Smoking cannabis does not cause lung cancer and it is not proven whether or not smoking cannabis causes any other type of cancer. Cannabis is decriminalized in some states but it is still a black market item. In my mind, no legal cannabis = no liberty/freedom [especially in my own home!].

On a side note, President Obama: You want to turn the economy around and create jobs now? Legalize cannabis. Money used to enforce cannabis laws can be utilized elsewhere and the production, transport, and sale of cannabis will create jobs. Tax revenue will also help the economy.

Hope you had a safe trip.

-- Posted by isobar on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 1:29 PM

Seems to me that Bush was given a blank check for the past 8 years for his war in Iraq. 50 Billion here, 150 Billion there. Why is the replublican party suddenly so cost conservative?

And shouldn't we put the condoms back in the bill? We need less people to care for in the long run.

-- Posted by grandma73 on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 1:33 PM

Theorist, The Wolf thinks Willy might be a bit confused just like most Republicans are now after

President Obama won the election. What he does not realize is that I love pies of ALL TYPES and lately my "pie hole" needs to be fed! That being said, I did enjoy the news conference last evenning and I will even

give President Obama a b+ on his performance. Please Theorist don't read too much into that as you are well aware of my preference in Politics. I will refrain now from negative remarks concerning his Administration and

work on being more positive as all of us work on helping

this economy turn around. This problem does not belong to the Government it belongs to all of us as well as the blame. Just the Wolf's opinion and nothing more.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 1:43 PM

This is not going to be popular, but both sides of the debate on Federal Grants are correct. (Imagine that!! It is possible for two sides to be correct in a discussion.) They do not have to be paid back (hense it's called a grant not a loan), and there is extra monies after paying tuition and books directly to the school. But, if you do not finish said semester or you fail a class, you are not elegible for another grant until you complete another semester. Meaning, if you drop out of spring semester and you received a grant to pay for it, and if you go back to school for the fall semester you will not be given a grant. Now after you complete the fall semester, you may be elegible for grant monies for the spring semester. If you still meet the qualifications. Also, because it is a federal grant, if you move from one state to another between the semester you were paid for, you will still need to complete a semester in the new state before reconcideration of funds.

I hope that made sense.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 1:47 PM

I suppose the amnesty imposed by a stutute of limitations of sorts trumps logical argument - allowed illegality isn't necessarily illegal. Ignor it and it will go away. Well let's slide over to the Great State of California with:


This study is one of the first to estimate the total impact of illegal immigration on the federal budget. Most previous studies have focused on the state and local level and have examined only costs or tax payments, but not both. Based on Census Bureau data, this study finds that, when all taxes paid (direct and indirect) and all costs are considered, illegal households created a net fiscal deficit at the federal level of more than $10 billion in 2002. We also estimate that, if there was an amnesty for illegal aliens, the net fiscal deficit would grow to nearly $29 billion.

Among the findings:

Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.

Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).

With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services.

On average, the costs that illegal households impose on federal coffers are less than half that of other households, but their tax payments are only one-fourth that of other households.

Many of the costs associated with illegals are due to their American-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth. Thus, greater efforts at barring illegals from federal programs will not reduce costs because their citizen children can continue to access them.

If illegal aliens were given amnesty and began to pay taxes and use services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total net cost of $29 billion.

Costs increase dramatically because unskilled immigrants with legal status -- what most illegal aliens would become -- can access government programs, but still tend to make very modest tax payments.

Although legalization would increase average tax payments by 77 percent, average costs would rise by 118 percent.

The fact that legal immigrants with few years of schooling are a large fiscal drain does not mean that legal immigrants overall are a net drain -- many legal immigrants are highly skilled.

The vast majority of illegals hold jobs. Thus the fiscal deficit they create for the federal government is not the result of an unwillingness to work.

The results of this study are consistent with a 1997 study by the National Research Council, which also found that immigrants' education level is a key determinant of their fiscal impact.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 2:11 PM


How can that possibly be, one or possibly two of the resident "experts" on here mistaken. The world must surely have stopped spinning on its axis.

-- Posted by D'oh on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 2:12 PM

You are correct Pups, any access will be refunded to the student. However, the grant money is used for educational expenses. Returned money would be scholarship, loan etc. which would be the additional amount received over the cost.

The maximum pell grant is not enough to cover tuition alone, even at SEMO.

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 2:42 PM


Your article, though dated, points out that most of the costs associated with illegal aliens comes from their legal offspring. So then, not really illegal costs, but legal.....

Wonder how the Republican Govenor of CA is managing....have things improved?

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 2:48 PM

Education spending: Hmmm. Pell Grants? Yup, looks like the left's Big Lie imps are exercising their "rights" and expectations to fib for "the cause", which is a typical collective pathology for the socialist left. Otherwise, who in their right mind would even pay attention to them, let alone believe anything they say? Anyway, when I was going for my Masters in PA at SEMO, I remember applying for a Pell Grant just for cruds-n-grins...didn't need it, so didn't care if I got it. But got it I did, and cashed/spent the check on whatever I dang well pleased! I didn't bother applying for any more grants 'cause, like I said, didn't need it anyway, so was just pressing-to-test with the system, or gaming it for fun and curiousity if you will.

With all that fun stuff being said, perhaps the caller here should reconsider tinkering with Uncle Karl's dream of oppressive, "progressive" taxation of the bewildered masses to feed his beloved concept of government ("public") schools, with NEA-style union hogs oinking at the trough of course, to indoctrinate your kids for serving the "Holy State" as it pleases. If ya keep messin' with Uncle K's dream, he may well claw his way back up from hell and rip your lips off!!!

Well then, there it is...kind of a fun "opinionated" diatribe, although it "don't mean nothin'" (line of a movie?? Say, "Full Metal Jacket" or somethin'?) in a Bog of which the real world knows not nor cares not regarding it's existence! So, OK, back to my B from P project.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 3:19 PM

Your right Theorist, a Republican executive doesn't have much of a chance against a Democrat legislation.

And I'm glad you've solved the illegal alien challenge. Just call it something else. There's some meaningful 'change' we can live with.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 3:21 PM

"It is time to take care of our people here in this country for once."

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 8:24 am CDT

Swamp, Bingo! Someone finally get's it.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 3:31 PM

Wow...a lot of die-hard republicon panic jabber going on. LOL! Just wait til Friday ;o) Let the whinging begin! LOL!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 3:35 PM


-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 3:59 PM


You posted "I remember applying for a Pell Grant just for cruds-n-grins...didn't need it, so didn't care if I got it. But got it I did, and cashed/spent the check on whatever I dang well pleased!"

And there you have it folks! It is Herr's fault our country is in debt! He cheated the system and stole from us all!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRR

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 4:04 PM

Dog_lover, something like that happened on my phone bill, too ... but there were charges for THREE different services, totaling almost $50 on it! The AT&T representative who responded to my indignant e-mail said that when a company notifies them that a customer has signed up for their service, AT&T doesn't question it, just adds it to the bill. Nothing was mentioned about it being a 'law' that they had to comply with. I looked up one of the companies listed, and there were 100's of complaints against them for much the same thing.

AT&T removed the charges immediately, but advised me that those companies 'could' try to sue me over it. IMO, it's MY phone bill, and AT&T should never add anything to a bill that I personally have not verified.

Hmmm ... Are you saying, Herr, that our 'progressive taxation' system is actually a punishment for doing better financially? I hope so ... Yikes! Am I now starting to wonder if 'no taxation' is a reward for NOT doing better financially? Boy, am I in a strange mood this afternoon ... Perhaps I'd better go do some scrubbing or something and settle down.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 4:11 PM


Actually I said both sides were right. Never said either was wrong. (keeps my butt out of the fire so to speak).


Kind of what I said, though you were more concise. I just know that I once got a grant, extra monies after paying school came to me. Due to work schedule change had to drop some classes one semester (spring). The next semester (summer) I had to pay for the classes out of pocket. Come fall semester I was able to get my grant again. But that was years ago, so things might have changed since then.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 4:15 PM


Wouldn't say HERR cheated the system. Obviously he qualified under the guidelines of the Grant.

Just proves reguardless of what they say, they still have their hand out. Even while saying how those with their hand out are ruining this country.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 4:27 PM

Recalling when Bush's administration sent out those first 'stimulus' checks a few years ago (don't remember what it was called then) ... My totally hard-core Democratic mother and brother (can't really call them 'liberals' I guess, because they're against abortion, welfare, preference programs, etc.) were really bashing him about it, so I quite innocently asked them if they'd sent their checks back to the government. God, I love a really good laugh!

I just have to add something really irrelevant here: This is the same brother who was spouting off about Clinton's acts with Lewinsky not being 'having a sexual relation.' He didn't speak to his wife for the rest of the day when she very innocently asked him, 'OH! Do you mean SHE was the only having sex, then?' I just about choked at that one (entertaining family I have). ~blushing~ Ummm ... please don't have me banned for this? I promise to try to do better!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 4:34 PM

"Very, very interesting how many Conservatives are against various social programs...yet share stories of how they or someone they know/love have benefited (whether they needed it or not) from "said" programs."

-- Posted by Me'Lange on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 2:44 pm CDT

Ohh they've seen the error of their ways now. *rolls eyes*. It's only a bad thing, when "someone else" is doing it. Have you hugged a bigot today? If not, start with the SO forum, there's plenty of them.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 4:37 PM

For sure, Megal ... Absolutely NO offense meant but ... as long as we remember that it works both ways? ~wink~

bigot (plural bigots)

1. one who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

2. one who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

And with that ... You'll be happy to know that I'm out for a good while ...

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 4:46 PM

By someone's logic, because a program has rules or regulations, it can't be misused, kind of like income tax; rules, regulations and guidelines and no one knows of anyone who has worked the system to their benefit or possibly not paid.

In spite of the fact that some have received money directly from some grants some will continue to insist that this cannot possibly happen.

Better to add nothing to the debate than misinformation.

-- Posted by D'oh on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 4:49 PM

Hmmm. Glad to see some of the leftist imps, gov't trough-slurping indoctrinators, and the Cyber Busybody(ies) enjoyed if not rendered their shorts in a bit of a sheepshank over my fun little "opined" story. Like I said, I was just pressing-to-test to see how the system worked, and to demonstrate that some of you leftist beggars can get a little more of that "chump change" you've been clamoring for!!!


Well, Gee...Maw. I suppose you decoded between my lines quite nicely...you sneaky albeit lovable/knowledgable young thing, you!! I guess I should add that, besides the fact that socialism causes misery and death for countless victims every time it's tried, you could also say it extinguishes individualism, not to mention the desire to excel and achieve anything of any significance...other than serving the state for survival purposes. I trust that YOU better than anyone in this Bog could relate to that by personal, feet-on-the-ground experience and horrors you may have seen, if you had a mind to share them(?). But what do I know? My "opinions" are merely based on well over half a century of experience/observations...if not to stir up some of the bottom-feeders now and then!! But like I also say now..."don't mean nothin'" anymore!

BTW Maw. Thanks for your short but sweet reply to my special note to you & Pops the other night...I meant every word of it. Now, back to my B from P project, 'cause "Hal" has been giving some grief with it, as expected!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 5:27 PM

Corruptissima res publica plurimae leges.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 5:34 PM

Oh the squalling, balling and indignation when I have mentioned no one and addressed only one poster.

What some may see as intelligent debate and discussion others may view as nonsense and dissembling.

For some theory and opinion trump real life experience.

Sorry if I have offended the self appointed Site Moderator/s; well not really.

This has become tiresome, though still somewhat amusing so I will occupy myself otherwise.

-- Posted by D'oh on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 5:44 PM



-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 5:46 PM

Gee-Maw, (as pointed hat says) I wasn't pointing any "specific" fingers. Just the "in general" republiconish one. But...facts are facts, yet...I haven't gotten my hug yet today.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 5:50 PM



-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 4:46 pm CDT

Pups! I love ya man!!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 5:52 PM

So much for "civil" discourse.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 6:00 PM


Civil discourse went out the window with,

"Glad to see some of the leftist imps, gov't trough-slurping indoctrinators, and the Cyber Busybody(ies) enjoyed if not rendered their shorts in a bit of a sheepshank over my fun little "opined" story. Like I said, I was just pressing-to-test to see how the system worked, and to demonstrate that some of you leftist beggars can get a little more of that "chump change" you've been clamoring for!!!"

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 6:07 PM


Haven't you learned by now that you can't take Herr too seriously as he like some other including myself from time to time, just throws stuff out there to stir the pot.

Like I use to tell my Officers, once you start down that road, you have lost. Now if I could only always do that myself...

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 6:15 PM

Just taking a break from some heavy-duty cleaning:

Thanks for the reminder, Megal ...

HUGS for everyone ... ummmm ... some Huggier than others ...

Pups ????? Mom's stern look heading your way, liebchen.

Herr ... Suspecting I'm older than you are, maybe. Hard to imagine, isn't it? ~smile~

Red, not sure but thinking having a sense of humor is a Good Thing--makes life a little easier to take sometimes.

Might be back later to see if 'clashing personalities' have settled back down ...

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 6:24 PM


Fair enough.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 6:28 PM

Oops! Before I leave to get supper on the table ...

Herr, do you periodically delete your temporary files and history, and do a disk clean-up? Might help Hal's problems, if not ...

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 6:29 PM


A sense of humor is essential as is not taking oneself too seriously, something many continue to have a problem with.

I have said it before, this is just an opinion forum and of little to no significance in the overall scheme of things. None of us or what we say really means much nor will it have any impact on the way things are.

If you don't like an opinion, ignore it or refute it, but it really matters little.

Like many others, I find myself less and less interested in it.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 6:32 PM


For what it is worth, I doubt that anyone on here would consider you a "leftist", but that is not a term I use. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a "liberal" or "conservative" though to me those are both hard to quantify. I am not even sure what I am.

Always enjoy your posts.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 6:40 PM


I do understand what you are saying and I do usually try. Obviously this time I failed at self monitoring.

Time to step away from the keyboard for a bit.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 6:47 PM

You might want to look within...

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 6:57 PM

Neil! I'm your biggest fan!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 7:06 PM


Well, gee judge! You seem to have a pattern of jumping in and getting yourself all "offended", even though comments/opinions aren't even directed at you personally. For example, didn't you get all torqued out of recognition quite awhile ago, and got "offended", because I was teasing someone else about something I do myself...come to think of it, you too??

I've never figured out why you in particular got jacked-up about that, let alone anybody else, but it doesn't matter. I've always figured you to be a mild-mannered, harmless mock-one mod-one liberal; however, perhaps you've upgraded yourself to the level of your more radical leftist brethren (meaning socialist/communist...especially if you're in a big hurry), and I've not concealed my abject contempt for those CCCLs in the past, as you well know. But if you've chosen to submit to and join them, then I'm certainly not compelled to issue you a personal apology. Got that?

Now, there are plenty of vile MegaMaggots, Cyber Busybodies, and other assorted leftist lepers to waste time on if I so choose, especially by simply holding up a mirror to reflect their mentally ill "projections" of their own iniquities right back onto them. In fact, where do you think I learned their Saul Alinsky tactics? Hmmmm? You got it, from the CCCLs of the American Soviet Socialists (A.S.S.s) themselves! As far as I'm concerned, they are unworthy Americans, if not outright traitors, who should not even be allowed to suck in and therefore pollute American air just because they were downloaded, most likely illegitimately, on American dirt! So, Pups, if you've finally decided to stop that fence-strattling habit of yours, which could mess up your love life if you slipped(!), and join the dark side, well then, knock yourself out. At least you've always known my position on such matters.

Gee, Pups, this has been an exhilarating, if not fun venting occasion...long time coming, I suppose. But there's one other observation I should share with you. If you're not careful, you risk exposing yourself as a liar and hypocrite here in the Bog. For example, you stated some time ago that, since you were unduly "offended" on someone else's behalf, that you would just scroll right on by my posts. Well, that should leave me free to have my fun and not risk "offending the innocent". Right? So try not to hurt yourself, get help if need be, but just scroll away! Other than that, have a nice life under the jackboot of socialism. As for me, I'm sitting back and enjoying the play now, right up there in the box with Mrs. Lincoln!!! BURMA SHAVE or BLAVO SIERRA. Take your pick; however, just try not to be such a Alpha Hotel yourself, OK?!

Well, nice break from my b from P endeavors; best get back to 'em.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 7:31 PM

Question....for all....

Are we or are we not in a recession in Cape/SEMO and at what stage are we?

Just an opinion blog if you will. My daughter works as a sales person in this economy and her boss tells her everyday that the economy is fine and that it's just scare tactics by the mass media.

He also said that it was all a plan started last fall by the liberal media to help elect Obama.

Now that Obama is in office my daughter asked her boss why the media hasn't changed their supposed conspired tune.

So are we or aren't we.

-- Posted by thegreatmosely on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 7:33 PM

the new Secretary of Taste is Bill Clinton ..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 7:33 PM

"Meg has had all kinds of chances but he blew everyone of the because he is wealth envious and can't get along with people."


I'm hurt, I'm actually the one who has a silver spoon. Boy, you don't ever get it right...do you? I love how you come on here and judge folks while being so ill-informed. Willy, fiscally, you're a welsh, pure and simple. If you were as "wealthy" as you brag to be, you wouldn't be on here bragging about it, and then tearing down other folks who you don't even know. Additionally, there is a big difference between you and I.

While you may enjoy being financially s.c.r.e.w.e.d. over by your Wallstreet shirt and tie buddies, but not "liberals", I personally don't like to be s.c.r.e.w.e.d. over by either. I don't know about you Willy, but I move to the beat of my own drum. I don't take direction from politician and political parties. I don't need radio talk show hosts to point me in one direction or another.

I think if "anyone" is envious here, it's you. In the fact that you can't form "ONE" idea on your own, without "playing along" with your "self-proclaimed" Conservatives.

From what I know of Me'lange she is smart, can think on her own, and seems to be someone who is quite independent in thought and personal finances. Your "misconceptions" only hurt you, and your credibility. Grow up (with your old self) and stop judging folks. If you're an adult, you certainly don't act like one. Furthermore, if you're some "big business owner" your sense of professionalism is distorted and reeks of amateur status.

As far as I go...you don't know me and you've never met me. You may not agree with everything I say, but for you to attack my "personal" life or anyone elses is simply bad form. Sure, I have called you a LIAR, and as far as this forum goes...you have! Did you call Emerson?? Nope! Did I? Yes, and followed through with my report. Yet...you called me a liar. You also called me a liar about talking with Jason Crowell. How far do you want to take this Willy?? Really??? Buck up! Be a man! Take some accountibility! If you're going to make those types of accusations, then PUT YOUR REAL NAME UP!

You a business owner??? Willy, you're nothing but a joke!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 7:47 PM


"As far as I'm concerned, they are unworthy Americans, if not outright traitors, who should not even be allowed to suck in and therefore pollute American air just because they were downloaded, most likely illegitimately, on American dirt!"

Seems you think you are the judge.

But you are right, I made the mistake of reading you posts. Will not happen again. Feel free to be the *** you are.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 7:53 PM


Are we in a recession?

Here's your answer.

Thorngate: Cites economy issues Closed

Grace Cafe: Cites economy issues, closed.

Budget Fuel: Closed

Steve and Barry's: Closed

Additionally, I would look for Starbucks in Cape to Close, as well as Macy's.

Things like this usually hit "Mid-America" last. Check for yourself, but you can also see that the unemployment rate in Cape Girardeau County is also rising.

Sure, I'd say a lot of folks in the area are suffering from delusional denial. I also have "inside" information that two "longstanding" Cape Girardeau businesses are in dire straights. If and when these two close, it will be a shocker.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 7:56 PM

Megalomania...would u have a list of business that

have opened too?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 8:04 PM

Pups, you have a right to be flustered. I called out this situation several months ago. Herr thinks he's showing his grammatical superiority by hiding clever little cynicisms. Little does he know *looking around* that most of us on this forum know exactly what he's talking about. He might as well call a spade a spade.

Though he may think so, his posts are not some "unknown code" where the rest of just walk around in a daze unaware that he is belittling, and grammatically bully the "liberals" in the forum. I've stopped reading his posts for the simple fact...they're just plain stupid and a waste of my time.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 8:06 PM


Yep...Just read Brian Blackwell's blogs. Thorngate is a biggy though Rick. It's been a part of Cape for quite a while. PLUS....if you just read the unemployment stats for Cape County, I think that is a good source too. Of course there will be others who say that's just "fabricated" numbers.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 8:08 PM

Also Rick, Among the notable businesses that closed or announced layoffs in the third quarter were Thorngate Ltd. in Cape Girardeau, Havco Wood Products in Scott City, Colt Beverage in Sikeston, Mo., and Advance Logistics in Jackson.

Even though a coffee house opened and a few other "small" places. That isn't going to make up for the losses of jobs from the above listed companies.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 8:12 PM

In regards to the post of 1833 - suggest to watch the area indicators.

Out of my element and have very little experience with quantifying this - but I watch things such as the number of land transfers published weekly in the Cash-Book Journal, the number of foreclosure notices, the thickness of the free classifieds papers, the amount of coupons stuffed in the daily paper, the numbers of empty storefronts around town, and the like - such as when the Sunday realty section went from almost all color photos back to the stark black-n-white. Just make mental notes of what I see now versus what I remember from a few years ago. Would be really, really interested to hear about the 4Q08 sales tax receipts as compared to previous quarters and years.

Haven't figured out how to put the math to my observations - but suggest that things are certainly not as robust as they were in the last couple of years. Whether this is termed a pause, slowdown, downturn, recession, depression or whatever - figure those definitions are best left to the 'professionals' :-)~

Consider that perhaps in addition to those who may have cut back on the numbers and quantities of purchases, some may be aiming lower - buying the same type of stuff, only going for the store-brand instead of the name brand. Of course, Ramen is hard to foul up, no matter who makes it.

Also consider that many business's profits come in the last percentages of the total sales - so that if a business were to lose 'only' 5 or 10 or 20% of its sales revenues, depending on the type of business, it would likely be operating in the red.

What a deal - a penny for my thoughts, and I done went and put my two cents' worth in.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 8:19 PM

Making threats Willy?? Angry? Vindictive? I don't care if I've met you or not. If you've met me, then you know I'm not the cowering type. Again, you're business professionalism shines. You've went from amatuer to pyscho stalker.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 8:33 PM

Stupid for posting my name? On the contrary Willy, didn't realize I'd have weirdo psycho getting all wiggy on me when I voice my opinions.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 8:36 PM

And as far as "attacking" first, it was you who drew first blog blood long ago. Infact, you called me a liar quite a while ago! I'm not in a good mood either, so stop trying to bully people around. I'm "stupid" in a lot of other ways too! ;o)

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 8:41 PM

15 Willy? I was working at 12!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 8:53 PM

Neil, you'll lose your money if you're betting on me. Willy will probably stalk me and do a stealth attack on me with his "unknown" identity. Funny how such a so called "Happy Person" always resorts to threats of bodily harm.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 9:31 PM

Could someone please let President Barack Hussein Obama know that the campaign is over?

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 9:32 PM

Jerry, chill out. No one is stalking you.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 9:34 PM


Sometimes it assists preserving your derriere to exercise sound, accurate judgement. So thanks for your input. Oh, and thanks for your permission to be free as an individualist as I choose to be; you're quite welcome to join the A.S.S.s whom you prefer to run with too...because you are free (for now) to "judge" for yourself also. G'Night; now for your not-so-little friend and ally below.


Yeah, lots of us know who the heck you are...not even a secret with folks at the paper. Anyway, thanks for your inputs as well, as it helps the new guys keep their psycho-profiles up to speed. My folks always tried to teach me never to torment the mentally ill which, of course, you've alluded to about yourself before. Even so, I must compliment you on your latest nickname, or handle, as it's the most accurately descriptive one of all your other ones you've employed to fraudulently register with this paper, after being banned so many times. At least your handle nicely describes one of your most prevalent pathologies, such as delusions of grandeur. So please do everything you can to keep it...all the better to maintain your profile, as massive as it may be.

It might interest you that we're coming out with an all new psycho-profile using you as the model, or "poster boy" if you will...provided we can just get all of you on the poster. You should be proud to know that you're a perfect case study, especially as it applies to the deranged left...kinda waters down Micheal Savages old book about liberalism, which I don't feel his title was accurate enough...should have been expanded to at least liberal-socialists. So hang in there, JERRY, and don't let anyone at the paper run you into banishment again just yet. You provide a gold

mine of analytic and acquisition data for us!!

Well, G'night all. Got some other more important interests to pursue. Burma Shave...and, we'll keep the light on for ya.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 9:38 PM

You're right, Red ... as usual.

Here's another lengthy Mom's-tired-&-hurting tirade that's been reduced by 95%:

It seems odd, but ... I get the feeling we're supposed to have to 'pick sides' in these school-yard mentality games here on SO. Hmmm ... 'If you like someone I don't like, then you can't be my friend.' That's pretty darned sad (to say the least).

Every single one of you here has something I admire in some way--personality, intelligence, level-headedness, experiences, sense of humor, writing style, etc. ... And yes, some of you have a thing or two I might not admire ... but I respect you all as human beings.

So, here's how I am: I'm going to like whomever I want to like for reasons listed above, plus their good sense and basic civility ... regardless of whether or not I might sometimes disagree with them ... and if that loses me someone I might have thought was a friend or possibly future friend ... I consider that their loss more than mine. Egotistical? Guess so, but I do like myself ... if I didn't, it would be almost impossible to like anyone else.

Now, I'm going to try and find that scary, last-minute 'government health regulation' that was sneaked into the 'stimulus' bill at the last minute -- You know, the one that appears to want to give government appointees the right to decide whether or not a person really needs a physician's recommended treatment or surgery?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 9:43 PM

Herr!! Bingo!! Someone finally got it! Unfortunately...it did have to be you. Gads! While, Mr. Clarkson has been known for his comical delusionalism, I found it quite fitting to utilize that name for the forum. Not only for my own purpose, but it does appear that "Megalomania" runs a muck on this forum. Why...in some dark corners of this universe it could be said that YOU even have those tendancies.

You know the old saying, "It takes one to know one." Peas in a pod, extra-marital affairs and all that "dontchaknow." No need to cut out so quick Herr, I'd like to see you join the blood bath of "bog" banning that is sure to come before the night is through. You know that other old saying, "If you can't beat'em join'em." Heck, it may even cure all your HAL issues. Ahh, but what do that say (oopy, another saying, I funkled) "It's not the machinery, it's the operator." LITTLE DEBBIE CAKES, HOD PODGE, AND CLEM KADDIDLE HOPPER OUT!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 9:49 PM

Now...for a bit of humour, the answer to that age old question:

"How long is forever?"


According to the USPS, not very long.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 9:51 PM

Disappointed tonight:

Yesterday, I decided that the next time I needed to be in Cape late (later this month), I'd tell everyone ahead of time where and at what time I'd be having supper, and offer to buy a meal for anyone here who wanted to join me ...

Then today's comments went waaay downhill ... and I'm not sure I'd like having to be a referee somewhere like Olive Garden or Ruby Tuesday.

Maybe I could make two lists? Invite some one month, and the others the next? ~smiling--rather sadly~

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 9:58 PM

The link didn't work, Megal ... They'd better NOT be saying our Forever Stamps aren't!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 10:00 PM

HA HA HA!! Herr! You made fun of my little "weight problem?" This proves it, you are human after all. That is little hod podge of characterization you go through is just a big show. Really, how petty. I've come to terms with my weight ummm.....30 years ago?? Wow! You such a funny, witty character. What's next Herr? Fat jokes?? Your Momma Wears Combat Boots?? Unbelievable, I never thought I'd see the day that you'd be "reaching" for quick come backs. You "must" be old, your mind is losing it's tact. LOL! Need me to call the old folks home for you? or better yet...maybe you need me to get you some depends. *giggle*

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 10:00 PM

Maw...fraid so, unless you plan to "stock up" on an eternity's worth.


-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 10:07 PM


I agree with both of your posts and it truly is sad, I feel the same way. I probably need to take an extended if not permanent break.

Have a good night, I'm OUT.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 10:10 PM

links not working, sorry for the lengthy, but informative post.

WASHINGTON – The post office will get an extra 2-cents worth when you mail a letter starting in May.

The U.S. ****** Service announced Tuesday that the price of a first-class stamp will rise to 44 cents on May 11.

That gives plenty of time to stock up on Forever Stamps, which will continue to sell at the current 42-cent rate until the increase occurs. They will remain valid in the future regardless of rate hikes.

"The ****** Service is not immune to rising costs which are affecting homes and businesses across America today," said Postmaster General John Potter. "Even with the increases, the ****** Service continues to offer some of the lowest postage prices in the world."

Postage rates go up annually in May, with the new prices announced in February. The overall change is tied to the rate of inflation in the year before.

While the new 44-cent rate covers the first ounce of first-class mail, the price for each additional ounce will remain unchanged at 17-cents.

****** officials estimate the increase will cost the average household $3-a-year.

Buffeted by rising costs and declining mail volume, the ****** Service lost $2.8 billion last year and, unless the economy turns around, is headed toward much larger losses this year.

The agency could have cited extraordinary circumstances and asked the independent ****** Regulatory Commission for larger increases, but officials felt that would only result in a greater decline in mail volume.

The post office has been cutting costs, reducing work hours, and has asked Congress to ease requirements for advance funds for retiree benefits and to allow mail to be delivered five days a week instead of six.

Other changes taking effect May 11:

• The postcard stamp increases 1-cent to 28 cents.

• The first ounce of a large envelope increases 5 cents to 88 cents.

• The first ounce of a parcel increases 5 cents to $1.22.

• New international postcard and letter prices are, for one ounce, 75 cents to Canada; 79 cents to Mexico; and 98 cents elsewhere.

Most ****** Service shipping services prices were adjusted in January and will not change in May.

(So...I guess they are good forever, but...only as long as you have them?? And since I go through about a roll a month...I better clear out a closet for them.)

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 10:13 PM

P.o.s.t.a.l., the other bad word.

I will say this, if this is the case...maybe they should shut down on Saturdays, and stop delivery. I love the USPS, but that is a hefty jump for a post card.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 10:15 PM

Mom, I would like the chance to meet you. From all the charming things I have heard, you are a class act. Hard to find that in a lady these days.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 10:18 PM

Thanks, Megal. A Penny Postcard will cost 28 cents? ~laughing~ Also smiling at all the P O S T A L words blanked out ... how silly!

Don't use many stamps anymore ... but next time I go to Sam's I'll pick up what I think I may need for the next ten years. Somehow it doesn't seem logical to me ... First Class mail keeps dwindling so raise the price to encourage people to pay more bills and send more greeting cards and letters on-line.

If UPS is smart, they'll keep their prices at the same or just below USPS parcel post rates. Seem like they used to be cheaper the first few years they were in business--I know definitely that their package delivery is usually faster, even compared to Priority packages. (I waited over two weeks for a package last spring ... tracked it ... inquired why the delay ... Here's the deal ... A package from a western state might end up at one of USPS's 'contracting shippers' -- Then the contractor waits until there is a full truckload before actually shipping. My package stayed in Salt Lake City for over a week, then in St. Louis for several days!) I noticed these past 6 months or so that almost all of my packages are being shipped USPS and FedEx. It appears to me that perhaps USPS has actually moved quite a way toward extinction, but no one has told them yet?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 10:31 PM

Appreciate it, Willy ... Just browsed your post (always figuring people keep going to bed before I'm finished 'talking' to them) The few things I've seen on the TV this evening are really disturbing ... Suggestions are that we all contact our congressmen (we know how much good THAT does most of the time)!

I personally do NOT want some governmental nitwit (sorry) overriding a decision my doctors have made ... Some might say this wouldn't happen, but I honestly believe it could and would ... from my experience in trying to deal with Medicaid.

Neither do I want anyone, not even (or perhaps especially not) a government employee, knowing all my personal medical information; to me, that would be an invasion of my privacy.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 10:43 PM

Willy, I'm SO sorry about your friend! Praying that his cancer is operable, or at least manageable. That is the kind of news that just hurts so much ... My thoughts are with you, and what you also are going through.

From the interview I watched earlier this evening ... Medicare treatment particularly could get worse if this bill stands as written, as it could then be a bureaucratic decision in determing the 'validity' of certain procedures. I suspect that 'quality of life' will no longer be a consideration when it comes to medical care, and seniors' health concerns being shrugged off, as they are in some other countries ... as someone other than our own doctors determine that we've outlived our most of our 'usefulness' to our government.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 11:18 PM

Megal, you surely remember that we met at one of the lunches? However, I was sitting way down at the other end of the table from you ... Grecian Steakhouse. I'm ... well, I'm just me ... at least until Bethie gets hold of me this month ... But thank you for the compliment. OH! You want a free supper ... ~laughing~ Well, if I ever do that ... whoever comes will have to sit in the Smoking Section with me ... If I pay, I get to choose!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 11:26 PM

Mom, I never ask a lady to pay. Gosh, I can barely remember who was at the Grecian. That was...a million years ago?

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Feb 11, 2009, at 12:12 AM

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