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Speak Out 2/7/09

Saturday, February 7, 2009

Unwanted change

PEOPLE are yelling about unemployment and companies moving out of the country. With high taxes and unions, we are an unfriendly country for businesses. Until we make America friendly to businesses instead of all this change, they're not going to keep their business here. They're going to continue to move out. We're going to get change, but we may not like it.

Dangerous playing

CONCERNING the hole in the ice in the creek near Boxwood Drive: This is a plea to the parents of children playing in the creek all the time. They're going to get killed. I beg you to keep your children out of there.

Jackson streets

I have lived in Jackson all of my life and have never seen the city do such a bad job cleaning the streets in town after a winter storm. Several businesses in Jackson have been closed.

Salute to garbage men

OUR city garbage collectors do a great job under adverse conditions. This has been a brutally cold winter. Cape Girardeau should issue each of them two new pairs of insulated boots and two new pairs of insulated gloves. They should be treated with respect. Do they get the appropriate protective gear? They risk their lives with dangerous dogs in dangerous neighborhoods and slick streets to keep our city looking good. Hats off to the garbage men.

Great neighbors

I believe I'm the oldest of person living on Highway 72 at Millersville. I want you to know I have the most wonderful neighbors in the world. They were all there for me in all of this bad weather. God bless you.

Ethanol from trees

THERE are so many broken trees in the Sikeston and Dexter areas it's unbelievable. If anybody knows how to make ethanol out of cellulose, now is the time to speak up.

Thanks for deliveries

I live on Sharon Drive and I want to thank our paper carrier and our wonderful mail carrier who has gone above and beyond the call of duty and is walking her route to deliver our mail. Thank you to both of these wonderful women. God bless.

Bury the lines

UTILITY workers are going above and beyond the call of duty during this mess. But it could have been avoided. Telephone companies buried their cables, and we don't have a problem. What's wrong with the utility companies doing the same thing? I'm sure it would be a monumental undertaking, but imagine how much of this mess could be avoided had the cables been buried.

Outdoor cats

CATS were designed to be outdoors. They can survive outdoors and do it quite well.

Wonderful city

I'M so thankful I live in Cape Girardeau. We've got a wonderful city. Our electricity has stayed on. We've had water. And the streets have been in good shape. I think the city is taking good care of us. I appreciate that.

Help the needy

IT'S stupid to put $50,000 to $75,000 into a bike race at this time. People are having trouble buying groceries and paying their insurance. We should be using the money for things for people in need.

No stimulus

I'VE been a lifelong Democrat, but this stimulus bill passed by the House is a joke. It is not going to help one factory worker or one office worker who has lost his job. It's not going to do the job that the president wants done. This is one time the Republicans are right.

Walking on highway

WHEN you see a woman walking along a four-lane highway in this weather, don't think she's out for a daily stroll. It's because she cannot get her vehicle to her house because of the ice and has to park about a quarter-mile away. Please give her a break and pull into the other lane so you don't scare her to death.

Create jobs

THE Republican members of Congress still don't get it. Tax credits for the working people and less withholdings out of paychecks doesn't help the unemployed much. Why can't they seem to understand there are no jobs? There needs to be jobs created by the government. Whatever happened to investing in the country by buying savings bonds? Can't we see some incentives created in this type of investing and teach the young how to save?

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Doggone *shaking head* - just as I was thinking Ameren was striving to put their public relations issues were behind them - http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/busines...

Re: ethanol from trees

While there may be a wealth of feedstock, not sure the conversion process has been proven on a commercial scale quite yet. Also, with the price of gasoline still down - don't think ethanol is profitable at this point.

Re: bury the lines

Haven't been able to scrounge up comparison costs yet, but am pretty sure it's much more expensive to bury than to string power lines - costs that will somehow, someway get rolled into the customers' bills. Then, have to wonder what happens twenty or thirty years down the road when the underground cable insulation starts to fail - would this mean a massive digging operation for replacement? Have to consider that after all is said and done - many systems are going to have a significant portion of their systems rebuilt - would it be cost-effective to go back and replace new wires and new poles so soon?

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 8:33 AM

Bury the lines might sound good but indeed a huge and costly undertaking (no pun intended) !

Power lines overhead are in most cases aluminum and light weight when compared to copper. Ampacity dicipates much better when electrical wires are in the atmosphere hence much smaller cable is needed to carry the load. If cables are buried the need for a larger gauge wire will be necessary and the cost to do this State wide would be incredible. This is not to mention that there would still be overhead transmission lines that could fail just as they have in the Sikeston and New Madrid areas recently. However, many new subdivisions do require underground feed but the truth is, is that almost all of those are still fed with overhead transmission lines. What we need to work on is better conductors that will carry voltage much further without the need of tranforming and ones that operate at a much lower temperature (Amps). Just my two cents worth.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 9:02 AM

I agree.

Cats DO belong outside. Have you ever been to someones house with a shedding cat? Nasty.

-- Posted by grandma73 on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 9:03 AM

Jackson city streets were indeed horrible, even around the elementary schools, which is almost a crime. They didn't even lay down cinders to & from the power plant, along Florence, until after 8p.m. on Weds night. Not sure what was up with that.

-- Posted by mutt_jdr on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 9:23 AM

Bury the lines:

Just a question. If the power lines were buried, wouldn't they be subject to damage from flooding, heavy rains, etc? The phone lines where I live are buried, and every time it rains hard, the phones go out. I know nothing about it, just curious.

Stimulus: Yes, it stinks. Get rid of income taxes.

-- Posted by tinks89 on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 9:38 AM

Re x2: burying the lines

Hadn't considered Greywolf's observation that for the same amp capacity, smaller wires can be run overhead than buried underground due to the better cooling effects of free air and the unwanted heat-insulating properties of earth - another economic advantage of overhead.

In response to tinks89 - wires buried underground would have to be electrically-insulated along their entire length somehow, as compared to overhead wires which only need to be electrically-insulated where they connect to the poles. The buried wire would have to have moisture-tolerant insulation anyway - don't think heavy rains would be a big issue, unless they cause the ground to shift or something happens so that the insulation is compromised - such as age or an errant backhoe.

Suggest the wires would have to be buried below the frost-line to guard against any ground-heave. IIRC, that's about 18" deep for this area??? Another consideration - what about earthquakes? Not sure which method would be better for this - wires swinging around in the air, or being pulled apart underground. Overhead wiring is typically easier to repair and maintain, offset by any potential need to repair and maintain more often - not sure of the typical experienced lifespans of each method.

Buried cables do have a better aesthetic look - no poles or towers to mar the landscape, or to run vehicles into.

At any rate, suggest the utilities have previously identified overhead wiring as the best solution with regards to the balance between economics and reliability. However, recent events may affect their future decisions.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 10:27 AM

Unwanted change: Then kick these businesses and their owners completely out of the country and charge them such a high tariff, they'll go out of business!

Dangerous playing: Hole in the ice?

Jackson streets: AMEN! Same in Cape!

Salute to garbage men: This has been a brutally cold winter??? Are you kidding me??

Great neighbors: ???

Ethanol from trees: Saps!

Thanks for deliveries: Meanwhile, mine missed the paper 5 days in a row.

Bury the lines: Bury your head in the sand.

Outdoor cats: Well...unless they wander off into other people's garbage, yards, and flower beds. Then...they don't survive to well.

Wonderful city: You must be a newbie!

Help the needy: Stupid? That's putting it nicely. Apparently ALL of our City leaders are strung out on drugs. They've gotten all blinkered on another silly "get rich quick scheme" and are willing to waste "TAYPAYER" dollars on their little "Wayne and Garth" exploit.

I can just hear the conversation now. John Mehner: "Yea man, we can like...have this bike race see, and the entire world will friggin flock to Cape to see it. It'll be nothing like anyone has ever seen. We'll be bigger than Disney World!" Jay Knudtson: "Yea man, this'll be totally awesome!"

No stimulus: Liar!

Walking on highway: are we talking street walkers?

Create jobs: Now this person FINALLY seems to get my thinking.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 11:01 AM

Re x2: burying the lines...go wireless...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 11:08 AM

Jackson streets


Salute to garbage men

They get a paycheck just like everyone else.

Great neighbors

Chances are you are also a good neighbor.

Ethanol from trees

Yeah, I’ll get right on that; firewood might be easier though.

Thanks for deliveries

They also get paid.

Bury the lines

Maybe since you are so knowledgeable you should start your own business and demonstrate the advantages and cost savings to the utility companies; sure this thought has never occurred to them and they use poles out of pure ignorance and the joy of working in the air during all types of weather.

Outdoor cats

Not exactly how a cat was “designed”, but I agree and will go further in that I don’t believe in keeping any pet in captivity.

Wonderful city

Yes, Cape is a very nice place, but if it had been about thirty miles to the south, you too would have been without power. Sikeston, Chaffee, Oran, Morley, New Madrid, Portageville, Dexter and so on did not lose power because they were not “nice”, but rather due to the freezing rain.

Help the needy

This is really simplistic logic, it would not go to the “needy”, it probably wouldn’t “go” anywhere if it was not used for this.

No stimulus

I am opposed to all government “bailouts” and “stimulus plans”.

Walking on highway

There are probably laws on how to drive and walk on the public highways to.

Create jobs

Why can’t you understand that the proposed bill is not going to work either?

-- Posted by RA on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 11:14 AM

Bury the Lines ; How about, trimming the trees overhanging the wires ? The wires don't get coated in ice & fall they are taken down by trees covered with ice that fall on them, Ameren stated years ago they were not going to clear lines as agressively as they had (now we pay the price!)

Salute to Trash haulers :Barge workers , welders,no occupation I know buys workers their own cold weather gear,by the way its only been in the teens a few times, years back I can recall working outdoors with the actual temps minus 10-20 & a strong wind buck up *****

-- Posted by rockman54 on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 11:47 AM

I guess p.u.s.s.y. is a forbidden word on here SORRY...

-- Posted by rockman54 on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 11:48 AM

I don't disagree with trimming tree limbs away from power lines, but you will still have significant outages even then. One of our farms was without power for well over a week and there were no lines taken down by trees. All of the poles and wires down were from the sheer weight of the ice. The arms holding the wires broke as did many, many poles. This happened in other areas along Hwy 61, 25 and others.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 11:56 AM


I post for my own amusement and unlike some others I don't take myself too seriously and hope no one else does either, life is too darned short.

-- Posted by RA on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 12:02 PM

..the grass is greener on the other side of the fence

but the bullshat smells the same .

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 12:09 PM

Turnip...is that ur pic on ur avatar ??

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 12:10 PM

i don't watch the news any more ..

we have professional CPA's , lawyers , politicians , etc..

right here in SO who have all the answers a person could

want about today's current events ...

dang turnip , i thought that was u in that avatar ..

are u that pretty in real life ??

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 12:24 PM


I know you were and I do enjoy your posts, but others do take all of this too seriously.


Ain't it the truth.

-- Posted by RA on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 12:48 PM

mr ducks

mr not


cm wings


mr ducks

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 1:52 PM


...um , naked tree ? i reckon i missed that one ...

the one u have now is fine indeed ..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 1:54 PM

Outdoor cats...why can't they be both ? i had a cat

for 17 years that went in and out all year long ,

winter or summer ...cats like it outside , that's

no big secret ...but they like to come inside too..

don't get a long haired cat if ya don't want hair

all over god's creation..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 2:03 PM

Stimulus II: Throwing good money after bad (Stimulus I).

-- Posted by grandma73 on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 2:05 PM

Justus -- "Have you ever been to someone's house with a shedding cat?"

Well, have you ever been to someone's house who cared for their cats by brushing them regularly? Just because the humans are slobs has nothing to do with the cats. Cats do their level best to groom themselves. If you trap them inside, then please brush them often. Everyone will appreciate it, including the cat.

Same goes for cleaning the litter box. Cats are very fastidious creatures. They don't like to step into a filthy toilet any more than you do. If you clean their box daily, you'll seldom/never see them go elsewhere in your house to do their business.

When I don't have a cat in my house, I hear the scurrying of little mice feet in my attic. I much prefer the cat.

-- Posted by grisgris on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 2:39 PM

Willy...isn't eating p.ussycat a little hairy ?

it's what i've heard plus one p.ussycat won't feed a

family of four ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 2:57 PM


Now that's funny, you do have a way with words. Oh and it just depends on how hungry you are donchaknow.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 3:05 PM


Remember not to ask what's for dinner at Willy's house when invited to a BBQ. Just say thank you and enjoy the meal.


-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 3:24 PM

Re: create jobs

No jobs? NO jobs? Pfffftt -







(some of the links were pretty long - hope they don't break in the copy-n-paste transition to SO)

Me thinks someone doesn't want a job - he/she wants a 'position' that suits them - perhaps one of those 'gubment' jobs talked about later in his/her post. When you got a round peg and a square hole - what needs to be changed - the job or the person?

As far as investing - it's difficult to get excited about the returns nowadays after being spoiled with the double-digit returns of just a few years ago. But I'd still rather see value growing little-by-little in the bank than evaporating in the driveway. Funny how the fiscal values that were mocked by the new Internet economy of the late 90s and by the more recent housing / loan issues are starting to come back into vogue.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 3:44 PM

willy...that chihuahua chili likes to talk behind your back..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 4:02 PM

Veg Root, nice of you to think of me but this weekend I am sacrificing time with my family for the benefit of the country.

Weapons training today. Had a good time at the range. Too bad we didn't have any Second Amendment trouncing idiots along with us.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 4:38 PM

Some of the daily lay off's that have been occurring recently might be attributed by "panic" something that must be brought under control not only through the employers but consumers as well. We must accomblish that first before we can start this economy recovering. Convindence must be placed back in people right now no one has that, and when that happens everything shut's down. The media can help out with this and kind of tone down the daily message they are sending out to the public of nothing but "doom and gloom" that would be a good place to start from. No doubt it is tough out there right now, because everything has basically shut down in our ecomomy. We will recover but it is going to take some time. MeLange good post.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 4:58 PM


But I am "chapped" that you didn't admit to receiving hefty "gubment" contracts to promote your work. The fact that you are willing to let half your work force go "just because you have to pay a few taxes" *sniff sniff, whine and cheese* proves my point about greed and small OR big business.

Jealous?? No, I actually pity you that you are soo consumed with money, taxes, doing your fiscal duty, and hiding behind an array of untruths. However, I do agree with you...if you're "not making money" by all means...close your doors. I don't want to waste any taxpaying dollars bailing you out.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 5:09 PM

I been reading the most recent version of the Stimulus Package and find where they have watered down the money regarding the much needed infrastucture over haul of our Bridges, Highways and Water Treatment Plants. What bothers me I see where they increased money for education now, up to 76 billion dollars which 50 billion of that is Pell Grants. Now you tell me how this is going to put people back to work right now. We just keep throwing money at this education crap and we still come with our young people that can not read a tape measure, change a flat tire on there car, locate the dip stick so they can check the oil in there car, properly fill out a job application and spell correctly. We have very few young apprentices in our work force any more regarding construction trades. I have nothing against education, but we need to get back to the basics, and stop throwing money at a problem that has not been working for thirty years now, all of the education has been going to the top and not in the class room. I guess we got to continue furnishing new cadiliacs for college AD's with State plates displayed on the cadiliac. What a waste of tax payers money.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 5:27 PM

Unwanted change

Absolutely. And it's my ****ing money!

Dangerous playing

Many years ago, I would play on frozen Cape LaCroix Creek... until the one day I broke through the ice and had a hell of a time getting out.

Jackson streets

It was ice! It adheres to surfaces. Sorry.

Salute to garbage men

I support this. And I don't care how much it costs. Carhartts all around!

Great neighbors

Just in case granny is a slowpoke, the speed limit on MO72 in Millersville is 55 mph.

Bury the lines

I would support government mandates for burying cable. I would consider tax breaks as long as my rates did not increase and I would consider government bailouts if my utility bill would drop by a minimum of 60%.

Outdoor cats

What the **** is this ****?

-- Posted by isobar on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 5:32 PM

Mother nature was the one who removed the ice and snow off my road in Jackson,it is a shame that our tax dollars aren't being used to help the citizens of Jackson.

-- Posted by HilltopMom on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 6:09 PM

a little background... have cancer, stage III, kept working, still working, changed careers to keep working. in remission except for tumor on liver that isn't growing right now.

today served because I owe a hospital on a bill, but I have insurance. treatment was not in any way related to my cancer.

Insurance is a national company, but claims never seem right to me. Bill doesn't seem right to me.

my husband works hard, he isn't my insurance carrier but he is being sued too. why? he isn't on my insurance. he is my next of kin.

tried to make payments for the last six months while the insurance company audited my account for errors, because I think there are errors - caller rep for hospital just gives me snide remarks and refuses to accept partial payments. I tell them about insurance problems. mind you they have 80% of bill paid I think, already. don't know, not getting mail from collections people.

communications sent to physical address not po box. children called today while husband and I out of town today helping storm victims saying a man with court papers is on the phone. they worry.

decision - I tried to pay off bill that I know I don't owe. under a thousand dollars. no one at hospital to take payment, I go to three different departments including the one the desk lady tells me to go to - they don't take money.

decision - cancelled oncologist appointment next week. cancel all plans for review and treatment. it is useless. I'm digging a hole my family will never recover from.

This is America, I have insurance, it is so-so coverage and from my employer. It never seems right to me, constantly under review. It is NEVER right to me. I pay taxes on the benefit and I can't decline it in lieu of money to get my own insurance or add myself to my husbands policy.

I can't afford to have cancer, even though I have insurance. I can't afford to have anything other than a sniffle. We have now picked up new insurance for 2009 in addition, just to help, it is $400 a month. What is the point. My family is suffering. I give up.

Now my husband's credit is ruined because of my inability to persuade a debt collector to take $100 payments on a the remainder of a bill from my insurance.

I will discontinue all treatment it is really better off this way. Irony - I actually have insurance, declined disability. I work though I could not, yet all my family is suffering now.

What has happened and why am I being punished because I'm not on assistance or welfare.

-- Posted by livefairly on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 6:31 PM

The only thing I might suggest is contacting the MO Attorney General, as well as your state representative. If they cannot help in this matter, they might be able to give some advice about where to find help.

Sometimes, it seems easier to 'give up' than to fight ... Please don't give up. Your family needs you.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 7:43 PM

Consumer Credit Counseling or something like it might be of assistance. For some reason, businesses will work with them on such matters where they won't with an individual. I know people for whom they have been a lifesaver.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 7:59 PM


While my wife isn't have cancer, she has MS. We've fought and stuggle with the same battles as far as keeping working, keeping insurance, and paying the slack where insurance fails to pay. My wife recent had a very expensive 6 week stay in one of Cape's hospitals. We're still receiving bills, and from what I gather insurance apparently is paying a "lessor" portion of each of those.

Don't Give up! We realize when you are down and out...when it comes to "money" no one wants to compromise, "take a percentage off" or ease off a bit until you're on your feet.

Right now we are in the fight of our life to keep my wife's job. On day two of her 6 week hospital stay, they were already "coming to visit" to lay down the law on when she "BETTER" return to work or lose her insurance.

Now that she's back 2 and a half months, unable to walk, and barely even able to make it in most days...they are riding her. We both know the bottom line is "INSURANCE" I'm sure my wife has put a strain on their program, and they're looking for a way to cut there losses. We've never been the type of folks to ask for assistance, or disability benefits. BUT...this time we're thinking we're going to get a lawyer and start fighting the discriminatory type of EMPLOYER behavior.

THIS is why medical care needs taken out of the private sector. THIS and YOUR situation is EXACTLY why there needs to be some type of healthcare system overhaul. From everything to drugs, doctors, hospitals, and insurance. When we start putting a price tag on human life, what have we become? A price tag WAS putting on humans during slavery...it's pathetic that we've now allowed the "almighty dollar" to decide who lives and who dies! Down with Capitalism! Off with it's ugly head!

Also, I would be very interested in which national company you are utilizing. Has your cancer went into five year remission yet? Additionally, we have found that the MS chapter is pretty much useless as a butter knife in a nuclear war head strike.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 8:15 PM


-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 8:20 PM


if you would like to chat further, my email is semofolkie@yahoo.com

My sister works at "one" of Cape's hospitals. Unfortunately, my wife had to be rushed to the nearest hospital at the time her illness struck, so I didn't get an option.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 8:23 PM


First let me say that I am truly sorry you have had to go through this on top of your medical treatment for cancer.

You're story unfortunately isn't unique. Without knowing all the details, and it is not my place to know them, I might be able to answer some of your questions.

1. Your husband is responsible because he is your husband. Federal law stiputlates that spouses are responsible for each other's debt.

2. Going off what you said, you asked for a review of your bill by your insurance company. This does not put a hold on your account with the hospital. The hospital has gotten your insurance companies 80% and based on agreement with your insurance company, the balanced owed becomes what they call a self pay balance. In other words, the review is between you and the insurance company and nothing to do with balance owed to hospital.

3. The agency, though told you they wouldn't except your 100 payment, would not send your money back. They are set up with guidelines of payments they are supposed to take,, ie usually total bill divided by six months is the minimum they are supposed to say they can except. It wouldn't stop them calling you, but they aren't going to send your payment back to you.

4. If you tried to make a payment today, most hospitals are not staffed to take payments on the weekend. And sometimes, base on age of account, that aren't able to take a payment, but refer you to who can.

5. If you had not made a payment in full, I would have suggest that you contact the CEO of the hospital with you story. They have been known to make better arrangements sometimes. No promise on that, but it has happened.

Sorry so long a post and hope you don't think I was siding with the hospital, cause I wasn't, I just know some of the ins and outs. Just my thoughts and not meant as legal advise.

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 8:29 PM

Pups, you're absolutely right about the husband paying the debt. Even though it's my wife's insurance, her bills all come in my name, and I'm duly responsible for paying for them.

My sister works in finances in St. Francis, and I know in extreme cases (high bills) they'll work a better option than 6 payments. (because six equal payments of some bills, would equal their yearly salary.)

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 8:39 PM

I'm so proud of all my fellow 'SO-ers' for all the advice, help, and support to livefairly! Thank you, all!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 11:58 PM

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