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Speak Out 1/21/09

Wednesday, January 21, 2009

What's left?

THE whining and complaining Wall Street Journal reprint about the estate tax was based on a false premise. Elitists at the Wall Street Journal wrongly assume that after the disastrous economic meltdown presided over by President Bush there will be any estates left to distribute.

Nuclear neighbor

I support the Southeast Missourian's call for construction of nuclear power plants. But will the editorial board stay the course if construction of one in Cape Girardeau County countryside is proposed?

Ethical action

I do not agree with everything Cape Girardeau County Commissioner Jay Purcell has done, but I agree 100 percent that Prosecuting Attorney Morley Swingle should not used the taxpayer-funded county website to list and promote any works he has written as a private citizen outside the hours he is paid as our prosecuting attorney. If, however, he worked on these books on taxpayer time, they should be listed, and any profits recouped from their sales should go to the county treasury. Either way, Mr. Swingle should do the ethical thing, just as he consistently demands of Mr. Purcell.

Tipping advice

TIP your pizza delivery driver, and tip your servers. They have to pay their bills with your generosity. These people work hard to feed their customers, hoping to get a couple of dollars. If you hold a tip because your food was wrong or it took too long, it's usually not the server's fault. If you want to blame someone, blame the cooks. And if you feel your wallet is too tight to tip, you don't have the money to go out or order pizza. For anyone who thinks 10 percent is an appropriate tip: It's not. This is 2009. Everything has gone up, including tipping percentages.

Reduced to tears

I'LL admit that I haven't agreed with everything he has said or done, but I was reduced to tears watching and listening to the farewell words of Gil Grissom on "CSI."

Hard to handle

ATHEIST conservative Christopher Hitchens, author of "God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything," recently criticized the Clinton Foundation in a reprinted piece published in the Southeast Missourian. This is no doubt in part because some of the money raised by the foundation is used by religious concerns to address the many problems existing in our troubled world and, being an atheist, Hitchens can't handle it.

At last, it's over

AT last we can breathe a sigh of relief. The eight-year nightmare is over. There is nothing that becomes the Bush-Cheney administration so much as its departure. If only we could set the global clock back eight years. Every aspect of the national and global environment would be improved.

End to globalism

I was reading about how companies and investors around the world are retreating back into their own country's markets. Thank God. This looks like the end to all of the globalism garbage we have been forced to hear about since the late 1990s.

No rejection

A photo caption said a Nazi banner was taken "as the spoils of war as Germans rejected their wartime leaders." Germans as a nation never rejected Hitler or any other leader. This is a sad comment that tries to rewrite history. Shame on the Missourian and its staff.

Spending billions

HOUSE Minority leader Republican John Boehner recently proclaimed stunned disbelief when hearing the amount of money President Obama has suggested we spend on an economic stimulus package. This from a man who voted to spend billions more to bail out Wall Street and other assorted fat cats. I guess Boehner draws the line when it comes to spending money to help the folks on Main Street. When it comes to Republicans' suddenly adopting a stance of opposition to the concept of borrow and spend, something the Bush administration has been indulging in for eight years, the party has no credibility on this issue left at all.

Got it right

SKINFLINT neoconservative sage Jonah Goldberg is skeptical of President Obama's stimulus package proposal. He apparently believes it's way too much. Nobel Prize-winning economist and journalist Paul Krugman says it's not enough. These conflicting points of view convince me that, once again, Barack Obama has got it just about right.

Twisting goal

IT has bothered me for years that the east basketball goal at Central High School twists. Watch the goal during warmups when lots of players are making layups. That goal twists to the left and right. The west goal is stable, but the east goal twists. When the goal moves on impact, it must affect shots off the backboard. Would somebody at Central High School look into tightening the brace tubes to stabilize this goal?

Careless workers

I travel roads in Southeast Missouri daily as part of my job, and I have little respect left for MoDOT officials or many of their workers. Space doesn't allow me to list the reasons for my disgust, but the workers are the ones who need to read the safety warnings and be more careful. They break the speed limit, ride my vehicle's bumper in work zones when I am going the exact speed limit, pull out at the last minute in front of oncoming vehicles and so on. Those on foot stand near or on the edge of the narrow lanes and often step back or start to walk along the road without a bit of concern that they are getting in the way of traffic. However, if I hit the careless MoDOT worker, I will be in big trouble.

Police support

I am getting tired of the criticism of the police. How many of you who are complaining have ever been in law enforcement? It is getting old reading these self-proclaimed experts telling the departments how to do their jobs. There is a limited number of officers to cover the entire city. They have to determine the best location for the time of day where their services will best be put to use. I know some say put them in the south side of town. That sounds good, but how about the rest of the city? Do you want to leave it unprotected? What happens when you send all the officers to one side of town and someone tries to break into your house? I have never heard of an officer going to someone's place of employment and telling them how to do his job. Have you? Let them do their job.

Tipping question

MY family and I order food from some of the curbside services to avoid paying for expensive drinks and tipping the wait staff. Should I be tipping the person who brings the food to my car? I had an awkward encounter with a waitress who gave me a glaring look when I chose not to tip her for delivering my food to the car. Am I wrong?

Making apologies

THE media seem to be making apologies for President Obama's ineptness in making his Cabinet picks. Why aren't they questioning his judgment after his botched picks of Bill Richardson and Timothy Geithner? Geithner was forced to pay back taxes of $42,000, more than many Americans make in a year. He seems to be getting a pass for behavior that would have gotten him crucified if he had been a Republican.


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No rejection,

You're the one that's putting a false spin on history. The phrase "Hitler was elected by the German people" that is often spouted by liberals is totally false. Hitler never won an election in Germany. He was appointed Chancellor, a largely ceremonial position at the time, as a consolation for his party showing well in a run off election and took total control when the Reichstag was dissolved because no party could win a clear majority. He never won an election.

-- Posted by Data48 on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 6:34 AM

Interesting facts Data. Your post spurred me to do further research to verify and expound upon your post. I learned something new and it isn't even 6:30 in the morning!

Now it's off to the gym.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 7:16 AM

Ethical action

Swingle and ethical just don't go together. There isn't enough time to describe how much Swingle has abused his power as PA.

Tipping advice

That's it! I'm never tipping again! First, it is the servers' and only the servers' choice to do what they do. Second, it's my money. Third, welcome to the free enterprise system. If the servers don't like the tips that they get, then I suggest that they either suck it up or they find employment elsewhere.

At last, it's over

Bush ran against Gore and Kerry. Do you really think it would have been an improvement? We all might be speaking Arabic right now for all that we know.

End to globalism

Is there any evidence to this? All of my purchases are still manufactured in Asia...

Careless workers

Oh good. I'm not the only one.

Police support

What's to protect on the north and west side of Cape? Protect the soccer moms from the big bad red light runners? Cape is small, it takes me an average of eight minutes to drive across town following all of the laws--emergency vehicles can travel across town in half of that time or less. We tell you how to do your job because you are a public servant and our tax dollars pay your salary.

Tipping question

If they think that they deserve a tip for carrying a bag to your car then they are, again, in the wrong "profession."

That's better.

-- Posted by isobar on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 8:05 AM

It seems our speak out posters today are concerned with the apathy and indifference found in so many aspects of todays work force. We have complaints about law enforcement, Modot, food service etc.

Honestly, I don't care what the job is, if a person works hard and diligently, they have earned my respect. Serve my family well, and you will be tipped graciously!

Standing around, whether it is along the highway (Modot), at the convenience store coffee counter (Law enforcement), or in the back of the restaurant rolling your eyes, you will lose the respect of the people.

And thus, I need to get to work!

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 9:35 AM

And Darren, your left wing predictions for the future are much more accurate than the right wing myths?

Your crystal ball must be very clear.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 10:08 AM

What's left: The vultures in Washington should end the tearing of flesh from the carcass' of those who wished to leave something to their loved ones. There should be no estate tax.

Got it right: There should be no stimulus package at all. Note: What sane person would listen to Goldman or Krugman?

Making apologies: I doubt that you could tell much difference between the picks of the two presidents.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 10:25 AM

greatmosley,

From yesterday. I do not see Obama as my 'Messiah'. He is a man and a politician. Though I was told that Bush was 'God's Will' when he was elected (please note I said elected not stole) in 2000 and 2004 by family members that lean Right. Did God suddenly decide not to intervene in the election process of the American People??

The world did not suddenly get all rosey because President Obama was sworn in yesterday. Nor has the world ended in a ball of fire either. I have the same concerns that I had when I went to bed last night as I have today. The person in the White House doesn't change my direct concerns of day to day living.

Would things be different for me this morning if McCain had been the one sworn in yesterday? Nope. Would I have been happy about it, probably not cause he wasn't who I voted for. But I didn't vote for Bush either and I'm still here.

Keeping in mind I am only speaking for myself.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:01 AM

What's left?: LOL!

Nuclear neighbor: Nuclear?? S.C.R.E.W. that! We have a river! Hydropower would be much more acceptable!

Ethical action: Still with this?

Tipping advice: Tip Pizza Drivers? Now why would I do that? The pizza places are now charging $2.50 delivery charges. Sorry...not tipping for something I'm already paying for! Also, let's get real here. Service is NON existant in the restaurants in Cape Girardeau. A "GOOD" waitress/waiter makes sure your food IS right. Sorry...I'm not tipping. This is what minimum wage is for. Start showing some pride and proving yourself....then I'll reconsider. With the price of eating out these days, and the poor service we get. More money is the LAST thing you need to be on here asking for!

Reduced to tears: He's an actor!

Hard to handle: *boring*

At last, it's over: AAAA MEN!

End to globalism:

"I was reading about how companies and investors around the world are retreating back into their own country's markets." No duh! Do you think Taiwan, China, and Mexico was going to bailout Wall Street?? LOL. Those prats should have been left to shrivel up and fold!

No rejection: LOL!

Spending billions: Exactly it's called Class Discrimination. Off with his head!!

Got it right: You bet he does!

Twisting goal: Now this is weird.

Careless workers: LOL!

Police support: Don't get snippy with the "taxpayers" WE pay your salaries! And don't forget it!

Tipping question: Let her glare. The food is over priced anyway! If we had a Fudruckers, we could make our own burgers up and not have to fiddle with waitresses.

Making apologies: Whinging now?? LOL! You just wait! You're going to have a very very painful eight years. Poor you.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:11 AM

Who's land to you propose we flood to build a hydroelectric dam capable of providing enough power for the region?

I'm all for it if you can convince most of Southern Illinois we need to build a lake on top of their land.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:42 AM

Police support....it can't be as bad as all that , can it ??...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:42 AM

BHO will merely be a slightly more left wing extension of the Bush administration.

Like I said the other day, the line separating the Republicans and Democrats has become so blurred one can not distinguish where it is.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:46 AM

Like I said the other day, the line separating the Republicans and Democrats has become so blurred one can not distinguish where it is.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 10:46 am CDT

This isn't a bad thing! When both parties are correct, there will be no line. We should celebrate!

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:51 AM

cycle_ride,

Good questions that I don't have an answer for. BUT...I don't want a nuclear reactor in my town either. Wind power?? Since most of Southern Illinois floods when the Mississippi is up anyway, I suggest we just purchase those areas that would be affected.

Everytime the "Governors" declare them disaster zones, the taypayers half to pick up the tab to fix the damage over and over and over anyway. Be done with it! Purchase them...build the hydropower...and in 10 years we would have made our money back.

As far as Cape, we have areas that flood here too. The fact is...builders should have NEVER been given license to build in a flood zone to begin with. In the end...they got their greed money, and the taxpayers have to keep footing the bill for the flood damage.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:52 AM

It is a good thing if you want everyone to be a liberal, Utopian seeking, unrealistic dreamer who sees the government as the answer to all the world's problems.

It's definitely not what I consider to be good. No celebrations here.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:55 AM

"sees the government as the answer to all the world's problems."

Interesting coming from a person who makes part of their living off a government paycheck. And who's job it is to do the governments bidding when it comes to deployment. Just a thought, not an arguement. And as with all thought processes, could be flawed.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 12:04 PM

I am continually amazed by the demeaning opinions as well as the speak-out comments relating to Bush '43 and his years in office, especially now that his service to this country as President is over. Presidents, like them or not, are the symbol of our country, of its people, of its was of life. To express disagreement with our governments' policies is a gift few in this world are afforded and is in fact an honorable endeavor. To degrade and defile an individual person is not. He is not responsible for every decision or event that takes place or is popular (or unpopular) during his term. It takes Congress, advisers, his cabinet, plus a multitude of people we've never even heard of. Bush has been demonized for most of his eight years in office and I agree much was well-deserved; but on the other hand, he has done great things as well, where was and is the credit for those decisions? Now days it seems easier to tear someone down - it has become a national sport to engage in name calling and poking fun at our President. I saw hopefully, for one last time a late night, so-call comic, who has promoted herself to the enlightened and intellectual class, smugly making fun of Mr. "xxx-hole" President on his last day in office. What was he doing in the morning? Watching Sponge Bob, and if that wasn't stupid enough, Laura had to explain the nuance humor in the cartoon. That was just one, the rest went downhill from there. The hatred we see and hear around us directed at that one man is disturbing. I have to say "let it go"!!!

We have a new president, he has a clean slate before him and it will be filled very soon and his decisions may or may not be to your liking. But he will believe, as do all presidents, that they are right and the best for this country. As with his inaugural speech, President Obama already realizes what we say and are able to do are at times altered by events beyond our personal control. I'm sure every citizen of this country can identify with that statement in some way. Try a dose of civility, understanding, and forgiveness. You may be a better person for it and so will our entire country. Remember, our new President may soon be in need of your compassion.

-- Posted by raspberry1 on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 12:12 PM

Yes, you are correct in regards to the government paycheck but the last time I looked, I have one of the few jobs actually mandated by the Constitution of the United States.

It also happens to be a job I volunteer for, payable up to and including my death.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 12:19 PM

cycle-ride,

My statement was not intended as an insult to you or your work. Because as you know from previous conversations, I come from a military family. Just an observation. You and I have talked and you know I respect what you do. Besides, it was my sneaky liberal way of making sure I was speaking to who I thought you were. Glad to see you posting again, btw.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 12:41 PM

It's definitely not what I consider to be good. No celebrations here.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 10:55 am CDT

My my, we have a bit of sneering cynical attitude.

Really, things are definitely looking up.....

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 1:15 PM

***OBAMA FREEZE PAY FOR WHITE HOUSE STAFFERS MAKING OVER $100,000.***

YES! Finally some fiscal responsibility and accountibility~!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 1:21 PM

Praise and glory be, a smack down on lobbyists too!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 1:27 PM

The Patriot Act was rushed through Congress after the conspiracy on 9/11. People such as I were saying that the P.A. could be used against any kind of crime and against all U.S. citizens because of the way it was written. ( Most of the congressmen did not even have time to read it) “No way will that happen,” said most of the public. ‘George Bush and Congress would not use it against any one except groups like al Qaeda.”

The P.A. is a muti-headed monster that has been used against many non-violent non-terrorists like the woman in this story. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/... It will be used exponentially in the future. The L.A. Times did not print this story to expose this tyranny to try to stop it. No the corporate fascist media are using stories like these to get you to expect government abuse and accept it when it happens to your neighbor, your family, or you. In the near future, thought crime will be a terrorist act.

The P.A. was written long before 9/11 and was just waiting for a convenient event like 9/11 for it to be put into motion. That’s why millions of us around the world believe 9/11 was an inside job. Limbaugh and other apologists for Bush and the government abuse of power have said the Patriot Act has never been used against non-terrorists. Now that Obama and the other gun grabbers are in control of the government, how do you Bush defenders feel now? We have the Patriot Act, the John Warner Military Commissions Act, and other secret goodies that we can only speculate on already in place that will be used by his administration against all of us who will not acquiesce to tyranny. ( This is not just a slam at Obama, Clinton, and Bush. It would have been the same with Gore, Kerry or McCain)

Oh I don’t think Obama will start out with the iron fist right away. No, he will smile at you and keep the velvet glove on the iron fist for a short season, because most of the mesmerized groupies will willfully give up more of their liberty and freedom when he asks for it. But when more of the people start to wake up, he and his gang will take off the gloves when he is told to do so by his New World Order handlers. Fasten your seat belt folks, and be prepared for anything.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 1:32 PM

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-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 1:42 PM

Infowarrior,

There's already a plan to propose bill Abolish the Patriot Act. I'm kind of unsure where you're going with your post. After all, it WAS the Bush admistration that started us down the path to dictatorship.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 1:42 PM

So how about Congress returning their undeserved raise? THAT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE! Or promises of no further pork projects? THAT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE! Or not 'investigating' things that are nothing more then fishing trips? THAT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE! Or if they insist on doing investigations, lets get those that have met with and/or talk to enemies of the United States and prosecute them? THAT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE!

Like any member of congress will be THAT responsible?

-- Posted by LiveAnotherDay on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 1:54 PM

Pups,

If Bush's 8 years in office was God's will then I'm going to consider atheism.

I voted for the man twice and regret it. McCain wasn't the answer this year. It was the lesser of two evils. The country was stuck either way.

Those are worshipping him are really doing him a disservice by raising the bar beyond anyone's abilities.

If they keep up this song and dance they will want him out of office in a year because he didn't fix it right away.

Even as someone who disagree's heavily with Mr. Obama I understand that it will take a while to get things changed.

I hope it all works out for the country.

-- Posted by thegreatmosely on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 2:03 PM

Ohh some people are just soo bitter. Let the whinging commence. LOL!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 2:05 PM

The Great One,

I don't think it's Obama worship. Yes...there is pomp and circumstance surrounding the fact he is the first African-American Pres, but by the tone of the booing of BUSH yesterday, it's obvious there is a lot of jubilation just because we're finally getting rid of the GOP.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 2:09 PM

thegreatmosely,

I think you and I are actually in agreement on your post today. Now don't faint, it does happen on occassion. (appologies, but I do like humor)

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 2:45 PM

An alarmist....is a person who tends to raise alarms, especially without sufficient reason, as by exaggerating dangers or prophesying calamities (thank you dictionary.com)

Sound familiar infowarrior?

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 2:49 PM

Megalo,

I don't agree with those that boo'd. Would have looked better on the current Administations backers if they had just waved and said goodbye. But just my take on it.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 2:51 PM

Pups,

They did wave good-bye...oops, I mean sing it. LOL

I look at it this way, for eight years he REFUSED to listen to the taxpayers and voters, after we had sent him several "messages" through the 2004 and 2006 elections.

Paybacks are haities, and he got his earful yesterday and listened. I don't regret it, don't apologize for it, and would have been there with a bullhorn myself if I was able.

The Repubs aren't going to play nice. They've already shut the door on bi-partisan politics by hindering Clinton's confirmation. Again, just proves the stupidity of the GOP to start a war that for the next 4-years (at least) that they won't be able to win.

Now...another subject that really sizzles me gizzards!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090121/ap_o...

Didn't they save any of these "record profits" for a rainy day? Blinkard Mismanagement, from head to toe!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 3:16 PM

We tell you how to do your job because you are a public servant and our tax dollars pay your salary. Posted by isobar on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 7:05 am CDT

Wow, I never heard that one before; clever. Since a LEO also pays taxes then I guess they could consider themselves to be self employed too. If you think you individually or collectively can tell them what to do. Why don’t you go out on I55 and grab up a MODOT worker and have them come pave your driveway or pick up trash aren’t they also your “employee”? You pay the salaries of Judges, clerks, secretaries, engineers and so on, so why stop with Law Enforcement Officers? I never saw your name on my pay check or that of anyone other than another government official whose duty it was to issue checks on behalf of the State of Missouri and the Department which employed me. Law Enforcement Officers’ duties are determined by statute as well as policy and procedure formulated by the heads or governing board of their Departments be it City, County, State or Federal. Depending on the Department, there will be a chain of command with varying degrees of autonomy given to the persons in charge down to the individual Officer. At no time will any individual citizen or group of citizens have any control over job assignments and activities, so no you cannot tell them how to do their jobs, but you are more than welcome to try; hope that works out for you.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 3:16 PM

Who represents your interests in government, it is Jo Ann Emerson. Senators represent the interests of the state. The president does not represent the interests of the taxpayer or voters. We can use Bush's pushing of the bailout as an example, but there are plenty more. He represents the interests of the Federal Government, mercantilism, and foreign interests. Only Jo Ann represents your interest. If she doesn't, then you have the choice of not voting for her.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 3:40 PM

Now that you have a new president, he will represent those same interests.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 4:00 PM

Interesting facts Data. Your post spurred me to do further research to verify and expound upon your post. I learned something new and it isn't even 6:30 in the morning!

Now it's off to the gym.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 6:16 am CDT

Thanks cycle_ride. It's nice to know that some folks are still willing to investigate claims made here with an open mind before commenting. My explanation of Hitler's rise to power was probably a bit over-simplified due to space constraints, I didn't want to write a long winded lecture that most folks probably would skip over without reading, but the fact remains that he NEVER won an election. Hope you enjoyed your workout!

-- Posted by Data48 on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 4:01 PM

"Who represents your interests in government, it is Jo Ann Emerson. Only Jo Ann represents your interest. If she doesn't, then you have the choice of not voting for her."

-- Posted by Hilleco on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 2:40 pm CDT

She didn't represent my interests at all when she voted for that $750 Billion dollar shirt and tie bailout! And according to the other whinging in this forum she didn't anyone else's either. Now.."I" didn't vote for her, haven't the past two elections. BUT...apparently the other blinkard citizens did. Doesn't make ANY sense to me!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 4:26 PM

It's almost impossible to run against the Emerson political machine. She does a lot of group praying and seems sweet; otherwise, people aren't paying attention to any details and don't really care. She's entrenched.

-- Posted by grisgris on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 6:07 PM

I'm just back from Orlando. Sure missed my wife, kids, and the brand new batch of plastic blue bags scattered all over my street courtousy of the southeast missourian. Thanks again!

-- Posted by grandma73 on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 6:31 PM

red rhino,

“Wow, I never heard that one before; clever.”

That’s very original as well.

“Since a LEO also pays taxes then I guess they could consider themselves to be self employed too.”

Why not?

“If you think you individually or collectively can tell them what to do.”

That doesn’t mean that they’ll actually do it…

“Why don’t you go out on I55 and grab up a MODOT worker and have them come pave your driveway or pick up trash aren’t they also your “employee”?”

I don’t have a driveway, per se. Sorry. Although, judging from where I sit, I could get the driveway apron from the street to my building’s parking lot replaced due to uneven grades, ADA compatibility, and upheaval due to tree root growth.

“You pay the salaries of Judges, clerks, secretaries, engineers and so on, so why stop with Law Enforcement Officers?”

When did I finish?

“I never saw your name on my pay check or that of anyone other than another government official whose duty it was to issue checks on behalf of the State of Missouri and the Department which employed me.”

OK. You know my name. What is it?

“Law Enforcement Officers’ duties are determined by statute as well as policy and procedure formulated by the heads or governing board of their Departments be it City, County, State or Federal. Depending on the Department, there will be a chain of command with varying degrees of autonomy given to the persons in charge down to the individual Officer.”

Another original statement… I had no idea!

“At no time will any individual citizen or group of citizens have any control over job assignments and activities, so no you cannot tell them how to do their jobs, but you are more than welcome to try; hope that works out for you.”

If more people would complain…

Thank you for your insight, Mr. Attorney. It is obvious that you support law enforcement no matter how asinine their policies and procedures are. Please allow me to rephrase the statement that you quoted, “We, as responsible citizens, recommend what you do considering that we contribute to your compensation.

-- Posted by isobar on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 6:50 PM

Turnip,

How close to the election was Emerson's good deed? A week? Yes....Jo Ann is very effective at the easy "look good" things.

Making Commemorative Coins

Helping the Kiddies.

NAMING Bridges.

The real hard things ya know.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 7:44 PM

red rhino,

It's approaching my bedtime and one of your cronies has come to your defense [I think! Man, those must be some good drugs, mr makit.]. Do you have anything for me or are you looking for a witty reply in one of your outdated law books?

-- Posted by isobar on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 7:47 PM

Isobar,

Apparently you have not read some of my past posts and disagreements with Law Enforcement Officers. There are many policies of various law enforcement agencies including the one from which I retired that I do not support and have gone on record as opposing. Some of those are sobriety checkpoints, use of drug sniffing dogs and detention without arrest until the dog can arrive without being officially placed under arrest, many aspects of search and seizure, some precursor laws, and so on. I have regularly advised individuals who observe what they consider to be police misconduct to note the time of day and the number of the car and location and report it to the proper authorities and if you are not satisfied with the results work your way up from there. Responsible citizens who vote whether they pay taxes or not can have an impact on policy of some Departments through their elected Officials. That is not always the case with state and federal entities and not even individuals within that Department have any input into the operations as this is done by an Executive Committee. I wish more people would get involved in the area of Law Enforcement and the criminal justice system and have encouraged people to attend courts regularly to see what your elected officials are really doing. You will be wasting your time however attacking the cop on the beat or telling him you pay his salary as he/she really has little to nothing to do with policy and procedure or assignments.

Willy,

Yes, I watched the video and thought it was pretty interesting. I stay out of that stuff with mine, too much work putting snorkels and sealing all the electrics. I saw where they are going to announce new Yamaha products on February 10 including Rhinos. Probably no bigger power plant except going from a 450 to the 550 Grizzly’s engine, but the 700 will remain as they usually test the engines in the Grizzly first and there is no indication of EPS. It will probably have a wider stance and some other upgrades, but don’t know what.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 7:50 PM

Re: Nuclear neighbor

Suggest whatever location successfully woos the construction of a nuclear power plant will experience the next best thing to hitting the jackpot. If the suggested price tag is $9billion - think of the county property tax revenue potential!

The average worker's wage will likely be somewhere in the $25-$30 per hour range. On top of that, a nuke plant flat-out employs a lot of people - IIRC, Ameren's Callaway employs over 800 and is rated for 1,204 megawatts (1 megawatt is enough power to supply about 750 homes on average). For comparison, Ameren's Rush Island station - a coal-based plant - produces 1,241 megawatts but employs 'only' about 185 workers.

Further suggest that the best place to build a nuclear plant is next to one already standing - to make use of the existing experiences with operating such a plant and to experience the economies of having some of the infrastructure already in place.

As far as the comments about hydropower - specifically dams - this is not a good option for this area. A dam needs somewhere on the order of 50 feet of drop to be feasible. 'Zero' river gauge at Cape is 304 feet above sea level. Zero gauge at Grand Tower is 321, zero gauge at Chester, IL is 341 feet - so even given the differences between what true 'zero' means at the different locations, still would be backing water up a long ways, and would also have to consider all the 'spillover' possibilities, where the river would try to find another path around, essentially making a new river route. Would make one heck of a recreational lake, though!

Still not sold on the other proposal for hydropower - the use of turbines sunk along the shoreline. These may actually work someday, and provide renewable energy in some form - but are not in the same league of power suppliers as is a large baseload conventionally-fueled power plant.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 7:52 PM

Willy,

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/launch...

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 8:09 PM

Ahh...Emerson supporters, delusional...much like some of these American Idol contestants I'm watching right now.

Willy...had a cockroach ran against Emerson, I would have voted for it!

Ohh...and Yes, one of Emerson's big accomplishments was getting some rubbish commemorative coin made.

HR6404: To require the Secretary of the Treasury to mint coins in commemoration of the centennial of the establishment of the Girl Scouts of the United States of America.

6/26/2008--Introduced.

Girl Scouts USA Centennial Commemorative Coin Act - Directs the Secretary of the Treasury to mint and issue up to 350,000 $1 coins in commemoration of the centennial of the founding of the Girl Scouts of the USA.

Requires the coin design to be emblematic of the 100 years of the organization.

Restricts issuance of such coins to calendar year 2011.

Subjects coin sales to a surcharge of $10 per coin.

Requires payment of such surcharges to the Girl Scouts of the United States of America for efforts involved in marking the Centennial, which may include preservation efforts of the birthplace of Juliette Gordon Low.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 8:15 PM

Four years? But suddenly got it hacked through right before the election?

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 8:17 PM

Willy,

I almost traded my 06 in too, but I am glad I didn't.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 8:23 PM

Willy - there was a blurb in the paper about a company that was proposing to put turbines - essentially high-tech fan blades - into the river as a means to harness the potential of the river currents. These were to be located along the shorelines.

Sounds neat in theory - and theory works best in a lab. With the turns, eddy currents, and silting issues of the Mississippi - highly doubtful that such a system could be implemented in a cost-competitive manner.

Plus, to replace the capacity of a single large baseload power plant - well, there just ain't enough river.

Looking at the cheap-fast-good triangle - where one can have any two, but never all three components - suggest the river turbine thing falls into the fast and good category - fast to build, power would be as good as anything else - but certainly won't be cheap.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 8:30 PM

red rhino,

I understand what you are saying but to say that I'm wasting my time is an individual issue that you cannot comprehend--you cannot get "inside my head" to evaluate my thought process, now can you? You know exactly what I meant with my original bolded statement and you chose to elaborate. I have read your posts (this isn't even close to my original username) and you tend to have favorite posters and not-so-favorite posters; primarily due to their views of law enforcement. I'm sorry that I do not agree with a lot of law enforcement and what they do and that's what's nice about this country: we can vent without fear of prosecution (as long as we don't threaten). So, do all of us a favor and think of the "common man" before you start rebutting... it just proves that with all of your book smarts, you have very little, if any, street smarts.

If you don't agree than just do all of us a favor and travel to North St. Louis City, start blabbing all of your law BS to a real group of thugs, and wait for the police to rescue you.

-- Posted by isobar on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 8:32 PM

Pups,

I had a dream. A dream that one day bloggers from both sides of the aisle could blog together on the same blog without the fear of being segragated by the administrator of the website.

That is humor for those unfamiliar with Pups and my responsese to each other. So don't go thinking I'm being a bigot. Just trying to give everyone a laugh because right now we ALL need a little humor.

We probably agree more than our posts would reveal.

-- Posted by thegreatmosely on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 8:33 PM

Before the crap-o-la hit the fan - one of the major concerns of the larger industrial projects I was involved with was the availability of skilled trades to support the work required within the time allowed. Actually had to cancel one project because there just weren't enough certified welders available.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 8:43 PM

Kudos. For those who distaste BHO, they need to focus their hatred on Pelosi, Barney Rubble Frank, Reid, and the other jokers in government that used the BHO hype to further their causes.

-- Posted by thegreatmosely on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 8:44 PM

Isobar as a responsible citizen how about you do a little research before you just open your mouth.

What is your profession??

Citizen requests are taken into consideration by departments if they are done in the proper maner. If you are having a problam do like you are suppose to do and contact the department responsible and speak with someone there about it. Whining about it here is not going to get anything done other than show that you do not know how to use YOUR employees properly.

I am going to try not to be to harsh here but if you honostly think that no crime happens on the north or west side of town you are a moron. Again research your topic before getting diariah of the mouth and before someone else says it, yes I know I can not spell so I apoligize for any of those type of mistakes. Why don't you take a look at the police reports that are listed here on this site and go tell all those soccer mom's that have had their houses broken into and their personal stuff gone through and stolen and tell them that there is no need for police in the area and nothing to protect up there. Go to those addresses tell them that and report back here and tell me how it went.

On the issue of response time. Say you are right it takes them four minutes to get there from accross town. That is from the time the individual officer getts it. How about the delay from getting the information from you to the dispatcher to the officer. Say they are really good and you only have a one minute delay. That gives you five minutes alone with the bad guy. Have you ever seen what can happen in five minutes alone with a bad guy. I have and it is not verry pretty. It does not take long to inflict a lot of damage if one is intent on doing so. That is not counting stealing I can just about empty your home of valuables in that amount of time and be gone before they get anywere near me. I was no always a good person so trust me when I tell you this can happen!!

I have been on the receiving end of the law and turned my life around finally. I know what the police go through becouse I use to put them through it. I have the utmost respect for them for what they deal with on your behalf and you should too.

Here is my favorite quote and have no illusions about it they are at war on the streets. There is a clearly defined "enemy" and good guy and people are dieing every day trying to stop them so what else would you call it.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~John Stewart Mill

I feel that this applies to you. Maybe I am wrong since I do not know you but from your posts that is the way you are reflecting yourself.

These men and women put their lives on the line every day that they go to work and if you do not beleive that you are a moron. Again go talk to them and ask how many have had guns and or knoves pulled on them. You would be amazed even in your small little town. Get a Scanner and listen to all the stuff they respond to in this lovely little town even on your beloved North and West side.

When you get a clue and do the proper reseacrch and have facts to back up your police bashing then by all means bring it out but if not mind your own business and obey the law and you will not have to deal with them. If you feel like getting involved with them go through the proper chanels and you would be amazed at how far they will go to help you. How do you think I got back on my feet. It was with the help of the "bad old police office".

They gave me my life back so show them the respect they deserve and by the way telling them what to do does not work I tried that one before and it did not end well for me. Good job guys.

-- Posted by my-view-of-this on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 8:53 PM

Isobar,

Well, actually my first assignment was in the inner city. You over estimate my “book smarts”, but having “book smarts” does not preclude someone from having “street smarts”. I grew up as essentially a thug with no intention of a higher education, but things have a way of changing. Most of my friends wound up in prison and more than a couple wound up dead. I am far more “common” than you can even imagine.

As to the rest who knows.

Curious as to why you changed your name and who you are though, guess it doesn't matter, heck I may do it myself.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 9:03 PM

Willy,

Are you being mean again???? j/k

Actually, thought I had said this before, I'm a he. And I prefer middle of the road to on the fence.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 9:18 PM

fxpwt,

Turn that frown upside down and stop being such a pessimist. You don't have any proof those turbines wouldn't work. Cost effective? Considering it "could" essentially power the entire City of Cape, I say go for it!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 9:19 PM

thegreatmosely,

I try to realize though I might not agree with a particular stance of other posters, doesn't mean they wouldn't be great to break bread or have a drink with. That does tend to get me labled a 'fence sitter'. (just a raz at Willy).

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 9:29 PM

Willy,

I guess that gives you reason to rethink the 'second wife' comment from the other day. And why I didn't respond to it.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 9:33 PM

Infowarrior,

There's already a plan to propose bill Abolish the Patriot Act. I'm kind of unsure where you're going with your post. After all, it WAS the Bush administration that started us down the path to dictatorship.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 12:42 pm CDT

You are joking aren't you Megla? Do you really think for one minute that Obama will be allowed to repeal the Patriot Act even if he wanted to which he doesn't? He did vote you know for its re-authorization in 2005.

Politicians never give up that kind of power willingly. That would be like trading Air Force One for a Cessna.

Bush did not start the dictatorship (fascism). It was started decades ago. Bush the lesser just continued the plan and did what he was told.Where I stand on Obama and Bush is that they are two sides of the same plug nickle coin. Or better yet the classic good cop bad cop scam.

The New World Order bosses got all they could get out of Bush to the point where only his family and a few others don't want to see him tried in court for war crimes.Thus the bad cop exits and the good cop Obama comes to save the day. Problem-reaction-solution.They will use him too to further their scheme and before too long even those who praise him now will curse him like they do Bush. You don't get to be president unless you are willing to sell your political soul to the globalist bankers.

Not everyone will curse him of course. There will be some who will sing his praises as their loved ones are hauled away to the cattle cars and labor camps. History repeats. History repeats. History repeats.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 9:34 PM

TRUSTING INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE "AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE" IS LIKE TRUSTING YOUR SPOUSES EXCUSE AFTER YOU FIND YOUR SPOUSE IN BED WITH ANOTHER...

Yesterday, Cyclist, provided information he gathered from the American Enterprise Institute.

"Interesting facts from the American Enterprise Institute's magazine "The American":

In 1919, the average American worked 9.5 hours to purchase a basket of groceries and 7.4 hours to purchase 10 gallons of fuel. In 2007, the average American worked just 1.7 hours to purchase the same amount of groceries and 1.8 hours for the same amount of fuel."

Interesting, but it is being provided by the #2 Israeli lobby group in the United States, and therefore, on it's face, due to their bias, lobbying agenda, and wealth centered constituency, they cannot be trusted.

It is obviously a propaganda piece to tell Americans, faced with losing their homes, their jobs, no money, dropping from the middle class, a p*ss poor healthcare system, and a decadent, wicked, murderous goverenment that "hey, you have it good! Why are you complaining, things are cheap." That, is a crock of sh*t.

I question their methodolgy. What income groups did they sample to arrive at their conclusions? What price of gasoline, or, what year did they use to compile grocery pricing?

We should well remember the working conditions of the early 1900's. The large corporations, employed young childern under the age of 14 to maximize their profits. These corporations, mining, et al, were paying the workers below living wages, making them live in company owned homes, and buying from their high priced on site company owned stores. Much of the time, the employees were NOT paid in money, but in company script, that could only be redeemed in the company store, or, to "pay" for the rent in the company owned shack in which the worker and his family lived.

THAT is why UNIONS became so attractive to the American worker of the early 1900's. Had the employer not been so **** greedy, unions and the social movements of that time would not have gained the popularity that they did.

In the 1950's, and 1960's, most company presidents made about 40x what their workers did in their factories, etc. Today, many CEO's are making 400, or, more times what their workers make.

So, that would skew the AEI figures at the outset. Accuracy would depend upon how many of the upper class, and the hedgefund managers, wall street speculators, etc. were included in their calculations. The more of the eastern corridor wealth class included in the mix would make the overall modern group figures look better.

When was this report information gathered? How many foreclosed home owners were included? How many of the millions of Americans who lost their jobs in the last couple months were included?

I do not trust the AEI at all. They are an Israeli lobby group, the second largest in the United States. They are propagandistic, and have a stake in portraying the economic health of America in a better light than it is. Many of their kind, including Madoff have contributed significantly, if not soley to the collapse of the American economy, and perhaps the world economy.

It is in the interest of the American Enterprise Institute to portray their kind as being not involved, or, to, as this report insinuates, that we "have it good."

I find it obscene, that the #2 Israeli lobby group in America has entitled it's magizine "THE AMERICAN". There is very little "American" about the #2 Israeli lobby group in the US.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 10:10 PM

Infowarrior,

"Thus the bad cop exits and the good cop Obama comes to save the day."

You have tapped into my greatest fear. I have long been suspicious that what you say is what is going to happen.

I base my fears upon President Obama's strong support for Globalism. Globalism is what has put America in the dire straits which we now face.

BUY AMMO

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 10:13 PM

Thought the very same thing, Willy: "The Bushes went out with class ..." Something our society seems a little short and unappreciative of anymore, I guess. How the Clintons handled their move from the White House/Presidency (okay, not to mention some of their 'in-White-House' ways) was pretty indicative of their personalities and should have embarrassed us all--but it didn't seem to.

Aw, Pups ... Middle of the road is dangerous ... Just ask Mom ... ~smiling~ ... although ... I've heard tell that straddling the fence can be, too. Oh! Are we talking politics? Well, middle and straddling mean you are apt to get hit by BOTH sides then.

Just ignore it, Red.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 10:15 PM

More on the propaganda LIES... outright LIES... from the #2 Israeli lobbying group in the US... the American (unAmerican) Enterprise Institute....

Cyclist gave us this quote from their propaganda press.... "In 2007, the average American worked just 1.7 hours to purchase the same amount of groceries and 1.8 hours for the same amount of fuel." (10 gallons)

OH, REALLY????

Just a couple months ago, the price of gas was over $4.00 a gallon. TEN gallons of fuel, would be $40.00)

The #2 Israeli Lobby group says that it took Americans only 1.8 hours to buy that $40.00 in gas.

Workers in retail in the Cape area, make about $7.00 an hour. At least, that is what one former female employee of Macy's told me at a gun show.

A worker making $7.00 an hour would have to work SIX hours to buy that $40.00 in fuel, not the 1.8 hours that the lying bast*rds at the AEI said.

To be able to buy that TEN gallons of gas, a Cape worker would have to be making over $22.00 an hour. Perhaps the overnight clerk at Rhodes 101, or, Hucks is making that good wage? Shall we call them and ask? How about the former workers at Thorngate... surely they were making that $22.00 an hour, right? Oh, I bet the folks that deliver the newspaper, they are bringing down $22.00 an hour? Am I right?

Lying bast*rds, that what you have in the #2 Israeli lobbying group in the US. You cannot trust them. They are lying snakes.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 10:22 PM

INFOWARRIOR

Talk about scary, the hearings for Preaident Obama's choice of Treasury Secretary, Ted Geittner, is now on CSPAN...

Geittner was head of the NYC Federal Reserve, and he was in on the planning of the original bank bail out with bush's Treasury Secretary Paulson.

I see no "change that you can believe in" in that nomination.

I want to be hopeful. I want to be positive, but from what I have seen and heard from the President, I am very, very disappointed.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 10:31 PM

It is so easy to fool the typical BO supporter.

-- Posted by Willy Makit on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 6:46 pm CDT

Laughing....you have to be joking, right? Cause I am just thinking of all the emails sent out by the right wing before the election. Wouldn't you know, those right wingers actually believed the koran thing....laughing.....

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 10:38 PM

Goodbody, that was a very astute observation about the American Enterprise Institute. I too have noticed articles similar to that about many other "controversial" subjects ranging from home-schooling to vaccines to fluoride and you name it.

It seems that when to many of the cattle and sheep start questioning actions of their loving government sheppards and other NGO's there magically appears all sorts of "news" stories telling us our fears are unfounded.

Good job on the Info war Goodbody! I've got to leave for a little while but will try to write more of my thoughts on this too. I would like to read more of your thoughts on this practice. This is a topic that people can understand because it is right in front of their faces.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 10:40 PM

Goodbody,

Are you the former Nick Charles who got booted off here for leaving extremely lllooooooonnnngggg posts?

-- Posted by thegreatmosely on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 10:43 PM

Theorist

GOOD ONE!!

First, they hated and derided his Christian minister, Reverend Wright. THEN.... they started the rumor that Barrack Obama is a Muslim.

I don't know how many right wing extremist, supposedly Christians, who told me, or, I overheard them saying that "Barrak Obama is a Muslim."

They can't have it both ways. It matters not to me whether he is a Christian, or, a Muslim, or, nothing.

What I am interested in is his policy and his decision making ablility. I will judge him solely upon those grounds.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 10:44 PM

The only NICK CHARLES that I know was played by William Powell in the "THIN MAN" movie series of the 1930's and 1940's.

Excellent movies. They are a superb combination of comedy and drama.

The TURNER CLASSIC MOVIES channel aired a few of them in 2008.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM

InfoWarrior

Please don't stay away for any length of time. This forum needs you, your truth, and your insight into contemporary and critical issues.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 10:52 PM

Mom,

It's got to be a bad night when I get spanked by you too. j/k I have to come up with a better discription of my views then middle of the road and fence sitter.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:01 PM

Willy,

Didn't mean to give you nightmares. Sorry buddy.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:02 PM

So Pups, Mega, Goodbody, Isobar, and everyone else. What are your thoughts on the benediction speech by the elderly black gentlement named REv. Lowrey.

from cnn.com......

"We ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to give back, when brown can stick around, when yellow will be mellow, when the red man can get ahead, man, and when white will embrace what is right," Lowery said

-- Posted by thegreatmosely on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:17 PM

Infowarrior,

But Bush Sr. was a big part of the New World Order agenda if I recollect correctly.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:24 PM

"So Pups, Mega, Goodbody, Isobar, and everyone else. What are your thoughts on the benediction speech by the elderly black gentlement named REv. Lowrey."

-- Posted by thegreatmosely on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 10:17 pm CDT

The Great One,

Personally, I think that entire service was a complete load of rubbish. The female minister sounded like a complete nut case. It was a waste of time and tv airing.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:29 PM

Infowarrior,

Sorry, I forgot to include my thoughts on the Patriot Act and PBO (President Barack Obama). Personally...It's just one of the things I'm expecting him to take accountibility for. Abolish it!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:32 PM

thegreatmosley,

Didn't see it, but if your quote is accurate and not out of context, I would say it sounded rather weird.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:34 PM

Turnip,

No it was actually a male that said that. The female was even worse. IMO.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:42 PM

He sure was Megla. He sort of had a Beelzebub glow in his eyes whenever he talked about the New World Order in his speeches about the subject. "Coincidentally," his two main speeches on the New World Order were both on 9/11/90 and 9/11/91. Here is a 90 second clip of his speeches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12R... Hmmm... 9/11 dates. Surely just a coincidence huh? Occultists are famous for using occult dates, symbols, codes, etc for their dastardly deeds.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:42 PM

Megla, If he repeals the Patriot Act and does not replace it with something more heinous, I will donate $1,000.00 to your favorite charity. I would love to give away that money to get rid of that tyrannical law.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:48 PM

Rev. Sharon E. Watkins crazy...In My Opinion.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:49 PM

InfoWarrior

Thanks for that You Tube clip. Very Scary! Ah-ha! So it was BUSH SR. who was Satan, not GWB!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:53 PM

Info,

My favorite charity is my stomach, but I wouldn't expect you to donate. Here's my take on this, that I mentioned yesterday.

As we all seen and know...the passion and trust formed around Obama is unfathomble since ... a long time. Americans ARE ready for some form of change, and expect it! They've entrusted Obama to act on their behalf.

That being said...That crowd who cheered him on so diligently yesterday could be (for the lack of a better word) the lynch mob if we are bamboozled, and lied to again.

Infact, I would go as far as to say, that if Obama s.c.r.e.w.s. us over...that you will see the inevitable end of government. I "hope" for his sake he makes the right moves. One bad straw could break the camels back...and throw this country straight into civil war.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:07 AM

The whole inauguration thing is way over the top for all presidents. I think I will give 87 year old Rev. Lowery a pass though. Not because what he said was still true, but because of what his life was like in his past.

Many black men of his age were treated like animals. Can you imagine the indignity of having to use a separate restroom or water fountain? Or not being able to even sit in the front seat of a city bus, or buy a hamburger at the lunch counter at Woolworth's? Or being called a boy or the N word when he was growing up?

Sure what he said was wrong and I would not have the same thoughts about it if it were said by a younger black man, but let's give the old guy a break on this one. He is one of a dying breed. You may not agree with what he did for civil rights, but you have to admit that leading those marches in those hostile crowds took a lot of guts.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:10 AM

Megalomania,

You said....

"Infact, I would go as far as to say, that if Obama s.c.r.e.w.s. us over...that you will see the inevitable end of government. I "hope" for his sake he makes the right moves. One bad straw could break the camels back...and throw this country straight into civil war."

Amen, brother, you got that right on the money, as usual. In fact, if he doesn't get it right, not only will those in attendance yesterday be the be agin him, those who didn't support him will join them in bringing an end to government, and this country will be in a REAL civil war.

I am not so sure that it would be all bad. We need a good cleansing. Congress, the lobbyists who control them, the hedge fund managers, the wealth cabal of Wall Street, war profiteers, and most of the Neocons... well, I could see that as a "good outcome."

If China and Russia nuked the eastern corridor from NYC to Washington, the set of American Idol, greater Hollywood, every city which has a so-called "professional" sports team, and Aspen, CO, I really could not see the harm in it, especially, if the Russian-Chinese alliance would use Neutron bombs that only eliminated the people in those locations and left the buildings and terrain soon inhabitable.

Otherwise, short of the Russian-Chinese nuke option, or, a real civil war, I do not see a pathway out of this dire condition in our country. Neither is pretty, but one of them may be necessary to restore the American and America.

Given this opportunity, next time, perhaps this nation will learn to mind it's own business.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:18 AM

January 20th...

I recorded it from 08:30am-to-about 02:30pm. Didn't see much, except toward the end of the walk to the White House. What did distrub me, was the constant blaring over the parade route from loud speakers... an almost cult like chant from the speaker, attempting to get the crowd to chant.... OBAMA...OBAMA...OBAMA...OBAMA... It was nearly constant along the parade route. I found that a little troubling. Too cult like, and not appropriate for a person who we just saw sworn in to be our president, not our King, Fuherer, Generalissimo, or, God.

Like I said earlier, I await a direction, and siginificant policy changes. These hearings with President Obama's choice for Treasury Secrarty, Little Timmy Geithner, former head of the NYC Federal Reserve, and co-planner of the TARP and Wall Street Banker Bailout, is very, very disturbing...

Timmy made a BIG tax boo-boo, hired an illegal as a nanny.... a favorite choice for both Republican and Democrat beltway politicos... His first job in life was as an employee of the Treasury... Just what we need... another political groupie.

Senator John Kyl tried to get answers out of him, but he was avasive.... as avasive as was bush's Neil Kashiri (sp) who along with Paulson were implementing the Banker Bailout.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:30 AM

And speaking of Politics...for your viewing pleasure, please view in succession.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCbKFmd6A...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNy1w4DV5...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh0pAyqND...

Oh dear...it does appear JC isn't very popular among the Green Peace folks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nl9nqMKa...

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:32 AM

Megla, I wish in my heart of hearts that we could have a miracle and he actually could straighten things out too, but I am too much of a realist. I have read too much history and have seen how the same things happen to all great empires. The pattern is nearly always the same. I have studied how the globalist bankers have destroyed country after country to achieve their goal of a one world government.

All I ask is that for all Obama supports to watch him closely. Watch what he does and not what he says. Watch and listen for double speak. Watch not only Obama but the other non-governmental organizations (NGO's) They are the way that the color of law is thrown on the people.

Watch all of our inter-actions with the U.N. or any talk of us being "citizens of the world." We are citizens of the U.S.A. FIRST and then citizens of the world SECOND. It has to stay that way or we are doomed.

Fight any talk of global taxation, world currency, cashless society, etc.

I will continue to fight and speak out about any sign of tyranny no matter what the cost to me. I don't want to step on people's feelings about Obama or any other politicians, but I have to be true to myself and say what I think and feel what is valid to keep our freedom.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:34 AM

Turnip..., et al.... TAKE THE NEOCON TEST... see if you are a NEOCON...

Personally, Turnip, I don't believe you to be a Neocon... I read your posts, I believe you to be intelligent, and while we MAY not agree 100%, I do find commonality with you.

HERE YOU GO>>>>

If anyone wants to know if they are a Neocon, a closeted Neocon, or, are prone to deviant Neocon tendencies... there is a test....

It is at the bottom of this article.... GOOD LUCK... please report your findings...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north15...

goodnight....

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:35 AM

Be advised...You Tube is experiencing delays

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:44 AM

I don't think you are a neo-con Turnip.

You can't have a heart and soul and be a neo-con.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:45 AM

JC like a GM product.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nl9nqMKa...

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:48 AM

JC stance on Guns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsJjZIuF1...

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:55 AM

O.K. Theorist, just to show you that I do have a sense of humor, I have found you and the rest of the Obama groupies a new theme song....smile.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJWjmDa79...

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:56 AM

1 horse power or 300 horse power??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZoonlbJf...

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:58 AM

Whoops. I meant to link this more appropriate version for the Barack groupies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqp89bkFe...

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 1:01 AM

Am I ever relieved ... I'm not even close to being a 'neocon.' ~wink~

And ... I did know/remember/understand most of the questions.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 2:03 AM

Pups and others. No I was not making that up.

The Reverand Lowrey who delivered the benediction after the poem by the young lady said exactly that. Word for word.

I am not making that up.

Took the words right from cnn dot com and even noted so.

-- Posted by thegreatmosely on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 2:38 PM

Turnip Conservative?

Back before the election, I took an online political test to determine my political mind set.

It was determined that I am a Paleo Conservative, with strong Paleo Libertarian influences.

I still say, that I would forgive, and perhaps be thankful, if an alliance of Russia, and China would nuke the east coast corrridor from just north of NYC to the Washington-Baltimore area.

That would rid us of over 40,000 lobbyists, Wall Street Hedgefunds, and speculators, and, a non-obedient Congress, who have been bought off so many times, they have Peachtree Accounting installed on their computers so that they can tell who they owe their votes to, and how much they contributed to their campaign, employed family members for high paying "non-jobs", and who has the best junkets.

I really do not see a downside, especially if the alliance would use Neutron bombs that would only kill the rats on the east coast and allow the buildings and other structures to stand and be almost immediately inhabitable.

It may not happen, but during these times, the fantasy of such a scenario, sure makes for a refreshing, cleansing daydream.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 5:05 PM

Helen Thomas, is one hot mama.... A tad aged perhaps, but she has one sharp mind.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 5:11 PM

So which one of you wants to meet me at the Global Fusion cafe to discuss politics?

-- Posted by thegreatmosely on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 6:59 PM


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