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Thursday, January 15, 2009

Can't hear the news

EVERY workday I wake up about 5 a.m. to a clock radio. I like to listen to KRCU and get the news. Lately when I listen in the morning all I hear is the call-letter announcement and how glad KRCU is to be our public radio station. Then I hear silence instead of the news. Sometimes we get to hear the ads and the story run at the same time. It happened again Monday morning. I like to get both liberal and conservative sides of the story. Please fix the silences and the double voices so I can hear the news again.

Health sense

HOW much money could be saved on medical care if people took more responsibility for their personal health? Smoking destroys the body. Does anyone doubt this? Look at the ingredients in processed foods. Nobody has a clue what the majority of them are, yet they ingest them without question. How many people walk more than a combined total of 30 minutes a day? I've paid for health insurance for more than 15 years without having made a single claim. I don't resent having to pay for this, but I do find it insulting when people say I'm lucky for being so healthy.

Scratching for crumbs

THE only socialism, democratic or not, that I have read about always ended up with a few people in the Politburo consuming all the wealth and the great masses scratching for crumbs.

No weather excuse

CONCERNING the comment about giving city workers a break because they are responsible for keeping our roads free of snow and ice: We haven't had an unusual amount of snow or ice this winter. If the city said it was going to remove leaves, it should have been done within a reasonable amount of time. The leaves piled alongside the roads are an eyesore. They should've been removed weeks ago.

Looking for results

IS there a class war brewing in America? I don't think so, but recent comments by President Bush and Sarah Palin indicate there's a conspiracy among elites to mislead the "real America." Nothing from my own blue-collar upbringing to my advanced degrees indicates there's anything tangible behind their accusations. Both politicians attack the so-called elite when attempting to explain away their own disappointing performances. The real America values results. Blame is a tool for underperformers.


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Health sense – you’re lucky for being so healthy.

Scratching for crumbs – humans have a way of spoiling their nest.

No weather excuse – or don’t make promises you can’t keep. I suppose the mayor can curse the leaves.

Looking for results – or clichés.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 6:35 AM

re: Looking for results

The election is over so why is Palin still being hounded so much. Yeah she gave an interview to that one guy, but why is it getting so much play in the media? But that's not really it. I wonder if the media views Palin as a real threat in the future and will hound her until they can put an end to her political career. Anyone else remember a losing VP candidate getting this much press after an election?

-- Posted by TommyStix on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:29 AM

an added note from yesterday's gun law discussion....

Joanna et.al., asked for proof. I hate doing others research but here is an example..."States with the weakest gun laws are significantly more likely to sell guns that are used in out-of-state crimes and significantly more likely to experience higher in-state rates of gun murders and shootings of police officers."

Now....if this is indeed true, and it seems to be...

http://www.mikebloomberg.com/index.cfm?o...

Then why would you be against Illinois' suggested legislation?

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:47 AM

Tommy,

I think Palin's scrutiny comes from both parties feeling she was inadequate or unsuitable for the position at the time she was selected. Perhaps this was the intention of the Republican party all along. To get her in the news and start grooming her for the future. We will see...

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:52 AM

morning folks

7 days with no cigarettes so far ...it's getting

a little easier every day ..

i gotta figure what i'm gonna do with the extra

money i'm saving now ..

re: Palin and the media..didn't they do Quayle

the same way or close to it ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 10:09 AM

The most comprehensive study of defensive gun use, by award-winning criminologist Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz (1993), found that handguns were used for defense nearly two million times per year, amounting to two-thirds of defensive gun uses. Kleck separately studied National Crime Victimization Surveys and found that people who use guns to defend themselves are less likely to be attacked or injured than people who use other means, or no means, of protection. Kleck has concluded that guns are used to defend against crime 3-4 times more often than to commit it. Forty states have Right-to-Carry laws allowing people to carry concealed handguns for protection away from home, and such states have lower violent crime rates, on average, compared to the rest of the country. Since 1991, the number of states that have Right-to-Carry laws has risen from 17 to 40 (an all-time high) and violent crime has dropped 38 percent.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 10:22 AM

Whats that old saying "exercise , eat right , stop smoking , die anyways"

Way to go Rick , you can do it ....

-- Posted by rockman54 on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 10:23 AM

Handgun Bans: Gun bans have historically been aimed at minorities and disfavored political classes. The French Black Code (1751) and southern states' Black Codes after the Civil War prohibited possession of firearms by blacks. Tennessee's "Army and Navy" law (1879), prohibited handguns other than expensive army or navy pistols, thus denying handguns to poor blacks, as do modern bans on relatively inexpensive handguns referred to by gun control advocates with the racially-charged term "Saturday Night Specials." New York's Sullivan Law (1911) prevented new immigrants from legally obtaining handguns, by prohibiting possession of a handgun without a license issued at the discretion of the police. Washington, D.C., banned handguns in the mid-1970s, within 15 years its murder rate tripled, and for the last 20 years D.C. has usually had the highest murder rate of any major U.S. city. (The Supreme Court, in District of Columbia v. Heller, 2008, overturned the ban as a violation of the Second Amendment.) Chicago banned handguns in 1982 and in a decade murders with handguns more than doubled. Sen. Barack Obama has expressed support for a complete ban on handguns.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 10:29 AM

And Theorist, here is my favorite.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vie...

What a novel concept! The Second Amendment is an INDIVIDUAL right as upheld by the SCOTUS.

Negates just about any argument you could possibly put forth.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 10:34 AM

Ah Joanna....

The second amendment is clear: everyone in a well regulated militia is free to have a muzzle loading flintlock rifle.

What is really boils down to is this...There are two ways to look at guns, and two different kinds of society that result. If no one else has a gun, there is no need for ME to have one either.(I like that one)

But if many others have guns, and especially criminals, then I need one for protection. (This is yours)

My view prevents accidents, and while not preventing suicides for those really determined, it does prevent the emotional impulsive crimes and suicides. Yours doesn't.

I will not change your mind, you will not change mine.

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 11:00 AM

Mel, if legislation was introduced year after year potentially restricting your First Amendment rights, you might be a little "paranoid" also.

The fact of the matter is these anti-gunners use the baby step method to erode our Second Amendment rights. A little gun control law here, a little gun control law there. They hide behind saying it won't effect the "sportsmen". BS. Their ultimate goal is totally banning all firearms.

None of their ideas work. By definition, criminals do not follow the law. Do you think they (criminals) really care about an "assault weapons" ban? Do you think a criminal goes down to the local sheriff's office to obtain a concealed carry permit?

I'll leave you with this:

A quote from Adolf Hitler, 1935

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 11:08 AM

Mel, if legislation was introduced year after year potentially restricting your First Amendment rights, you might be a little "paranoid" also.

The fact of the matter is these anti-gunners use the baby step method to erode our Second Amendment rights. A little gun control law here, a little gun control law there. They hide behind saying it won't effect the "sportsmen". BS. Their ultimate goal is totally banning all firearms.

None of their ideas work. By definition, criminals do not follow the law. Do you think they (criminals) really care about an "assault weapons" ban? Do you think a criminal goes down to the local sheriff's office to obtain a concealed carry permit?

I'll leave you with this:

A quote from Adolf Hitler, 1935

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 11:08 AM

Ahh Theorist, let's apply your thought process to the First Amendment, more specifically, freedom of the press. According to your example, the First Amendment would only apply to newspapers printed on a manual letter press.

Besides, as I stated earlier, the SCOTUS has declared it is an individual right, not a collective right.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 11:14 AM

some folks use weapons to put food on the table .

other folks use weapons to flat out murder other folks .

who's to decide which is which ?

knives kill too ..and hammers...and fire..

if a person wants to murder someone , they don't neccessarily need a gun...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 11:31 AM

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future"

Sure Am glad Adolf had a gun. And sure Am glad he used it !!!...on himself..he was nothing but a chicken sh-t chump anyway.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 11:33 AM

Call Hitler a chump all you want. It doesn't change the fact he was responsible for millions of deaths.

An episode in history that will hopefully never be repeated.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 11:42 AM

Joanna,

You are wasting your breath in “debating” some on this forum as I have found those who most quickly proclaim to be “enlightened” and “open minded” that “consider all points of view” really never are and are in reality ideologues unwilling to consider any information beyond their already set opinions no matter how poorly arrived at.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 12:18 PM

FYI (and this is why I care) read please....

According to the CDC, the rate of firearm deaths among children under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. American children are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die in a firearm accident than children in these other countries

This is why I applaud efforts towards education about gun safety and restrictions.

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 12:32 PM

And this is why you shouldn't be concerned so much with firearms as you should be with many other types of accidental deaths.

The number of privately owned guns in the U.S. is at an all-time high, and rises by about 4.5 million per year.1 Meanwhile, the nation’s violent crime rate has decreased 38% since 1991.2 Below, statistics from 1981 forward are from the National Center for Health Statistics,3 while those prior to 1981 are from the National Safety Council.4 The NCHS’ annual numbers, rates and trends of common accidents and selected other causes of death, for the U.S., each state, and the District of Columbia, are available on the NRA-ILA website in spreadsheet format.5

* Firearm accident deaths have been decreasing for decades. Since 1930, their annual number has decreased 80%, while the U.S. population has more than doubled and the number of firearms has quintupled. Among children, such deaths have decreased 89% since 1975.

* Firearm accident deaths are at an all-time annual low, while the U.S. population is at an all-time high. Therefore, the firearm accident death rate is at an all-time annual low, 0.2 per 100,000 population, down 94% since the all-time high in 1904.

* Today, the odds are a million to one, against a child in the U.S. dying in a firearm accident.

* Firearms are involved in 0.6% of accidental deaths nationally. Most accidental deaths involve, or are due to, motor vehicles (39%), poisoning (18%), falls (16%), suffocation (5%), drowning (2.9%), fires (2.8%), medical mistakes (2.2%), environmental factors (1.2%), and bicycles and tricycles (0.7%). Among children: motor vehicles (45%), suffocation (18%), drowning (14%), fires (9%), bicycles and tricycles (2.4%), falls (2%), poisoning (1.6%),environmental factors (1.5%), and medical mistakes (0.8%).

Education decreases accidents. Voluntary firearms safety training, not government intrusion, has decreased firearms accidents. NRA firearm safety programs are conducted by more than 51,000 NRA Certified Instructors nationwide. Youngsters learn firearm safety in NRA programs offered through civic groups such as the Boy Scouts, Jaycees, the American Legion, and schools.6 NRA’s Eddie Eagle GunSafe program teaches children pre-K through 6th grade that if they see a firearm without supervision, they should “STOP! Don’t Touch. Leave The Area. Tell An Adult.” Since 1988, the program has been used by 25,000 schools, civic groups, and law enforcement agencies to reach more than 20 million children.7

The “cars and guns” myth. “Gun control” supporters claim that driver licensing and auto registration caused motor vehicle accident deaths to decline between 1968-1991, and that gun registration and gun owner licensing would reduce gun accidents. They ask, “We register drivers and license cars, so why not guns and gun owners?”

Motor vehicle registration and driver licensing laws were not imposed to reduce, and did not reduce, accidents. Most such laws were imposed between the world wars, but motor vehicle accident deaths increased sharply after 1930 and didn’t begin declining until 1970. Despite more regulation of vehicles and drivers, vehicle accident deaths have increased 6% in the last decade.

Between 1968-1991, the years cited by the anti-gunners, the motor vehicle accident death rate dropped only 37% with vehicle registration and driver licensing, while the firearm accident death rate dropped 50% without gun registration and gun owner licensing. The anti-gunners want registration and licensing not for safety, but to ***** the record-keeping apparatus necessary to make confiscation of privately owned firearms achievable in the future. The first leader of Handgun Control, Inc. (since renamed Brady Campaign) said that registration was the second step in the group’s three-step plan for the confiscation of all handguns.8

Moreover, the purchase and ownership of arms is a right protected by the constitution, whereas operating a vehicle on public roads is a privilege. A license and registration are not required to merely own a vehicle or operate it on private property, only to do so on public roads. Similarly, a license and permit are not typically required to buy or own a gun, or to keep a gun at home, but are usually required when hunting or carrying a gun for protection in public places.

Lies about children and guns. Brady Campaign and Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) have claimed that 12 children die from gun accidents every day, and 2008 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has claimed that 13 children are killed with guns every day. The HELP (Handgun Epidemic Lowering Plan) Network (which is dedicated to “changing society’s attitude toward guns so that it becomes socially unacceptable for private citizens to have handguns”) put the figure at “an average of 9 children” daily. Other “gun control” advocates have varyingly claimed 14 per day (or 5,000 yearly or one every 90 seconds). Some count anyone under the age of 24 as a “child,” to get even higher numbers.9 Anti-gunners add the relatively small number of firearm-related deaths among children to the much larger number of deaths among juveniles and young adults, and dishonestly call the total “children.” In fact, on average there is just under one firearm-related death among children per day, including one accidental death every 5.8 days.

“Gun control” supporters point to a study claiming that so-called “Child Access Prevention” (CAP) laws (which make it a crime, under some circumstances, to leave a gun accessible to a child who obtains and misuses it), imposed in 12 states between 1989-1993, decreased fatal firearm accidents among children.10 The study was produced by people from the Harborview Injury Prevention and Research Center, a group active in the HELP Network. The study’s flaws: Firearm accident deaths among children began declining in the mid-1970s, not in 1989, when “CAP” laws were first imposed. Also, such accidents have decreased nationwide, not only in “CAP” states. And, also in 1989, NRA’s Eddie Eagle GunSafe Program was introduced nationwide.

1. See BATFE, “Annual Firearm Manufacturers and Export Reports” ( www.atf.gov/firearms/stats/index.htm).

2. FBI, Crime in the United States 2006 (www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/index.html) and BJS (http://bjsdata.ojp.usdoj.gov/dataonline/).

3. See www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars or www.wonder.cdc.gov/ .

4. Available at www.nsc.org/ .

5. See www.nraila.org/Issues .

6. For more on NRA training programs, visit www.nrahq.org/ (click “Education and Training”) or call 703-267-1500.

7. For more on the Eddie Eagle program, visit www.nrahq.org/safety/eddie/ or call 800-231-0752.

8. Pete Shields, quoted in The New Yorker, “A Reporter At Large: Handguns,” July 26, 1976.

9. NRA-ILA “Not 12 Per Day” fact sheet, www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.as... .

10. Journal of the American Medical Association, Oct. 1, 1997.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 12:39 PM

Please do some research, the CDC has had its hands slapped for their poor "studies" on the gun control issues and can no longer do them due to the poor quality and misleading information.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 12:44 PM

JoannaStone...I would argue that history is repeating itself at this very moment. Hitler gained power and put together his regime during the 1930's as the world ignored him. He wrote Mein Kampf, (my struggle), and declared the Jews as the number one enemy of Germany. He began training children, (Hitler Youth), to follow his principles. One voice was crying out in the form of Winston Churchill, but no one would listen. Chamberlain tried appeasement, ("peace in our time"), but only gave Hitler the time and motivation he needed to begin invading eastern Europe.

Today, Islamic Fascism in the form of al-Qaeda is spreading around the world. They are teaching their children in school and in their media to hate Jews and anyone else, including other Muslims, that do not follow their ideals. Through their declared holy war that they call Jihad, (the struggle), attacks have been carried out against innocents in the U.S., England, Spain, Russia, Algeria, and many other countries.

Any of this sound familiar/repetitious? It is absolutely correct to say if you cannot learn from the events of Nazi Germany you will not be able to grasp the true intent of the danger of the radical Muslim world today. You are simply hiding.

People are afraid to speak out for fear of hurting someone's feelings. We are strangling ourselves with our political correctness.

-- Posted by Hawker on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 12:52 PM

Jo,

You posted, "Lies about children and guns. Brady Campaign and Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) have claimed that 12 children die from gun accidents every day, and 2008 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has claimed that 13 children are killed with guns every day."

So some days its 12, some 13, most journalists follow the statistical study that says 9.

Ask the parent of the child that was killed, and then tell me if it is important whether there were 12 or 13 killed that day.

Thanks, however, for supporting my stance on gun safety education. And...that reminds me about the 8 year old who was killed at the gun expo last fall. Senseless!

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 1:31 PM

we had rifles and shotguns all over the house on

farm where i grew up and everyone knew not to fool

around with them until they were a grown up ....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 1:43 PM

Information and reason will never stand a chance with those who rely solely on emotionalism.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 1:44 PM

Rick,

I was one of four boys raised on a farm and there was always a gun around and we could not touch it until we reached the age of thirteen and none of us ever did. You however have to know your children and those who might be coming into your home. I always had a gun accessible in my home in addition to the one I carried, usually a semi-automatic pistol with Wolf springs. It was kept empty with a couple of magazines lying next to it. A child cannot rack the slide on a weapon with heavy duty Wolf springs, but an adult can. Anytime one of my children wanted to examine any of my firearms all they had to do was ask and I or my wife would show it to them and demonstrate the operation along with a warning as to the possible dangers and then it went back in the safe. My children are all grown now, but I still follow the same protocol with the exception of the weapon I am carrying which is loaded.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 2:02 PM

the first time i fired a shot gun it knocked me on my ***..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 2:18 PM

Scratching for crumbs: Hmmm. Yup, ya got the "Politburo" thing down OK, especially as it applies to the American Soviet Socialists (acronym optional) here in this country, now under the totalitarian management of the Dazi Party of Death...as non-CINO Catholics might refer to them as. And you just about have the Democrat (mob-rule)-Socialist thing down right too...more efficiently referred to as DAZIs which, of course, now includes a good dose of RINOs too. Yeah, I know, if said/viewed quickly, Dazi looks/sounds about the same as Nazi, but there is a slight difference. Although the fanatical socialist mentality of the Dazis are similar, they have not met or exceeded the actions of the Nazis...YET! Maybe that's partially due to the fact that real Americans are still well-armed; kind of a 2nd Amendment thing that seems to hamper the Leprous Lefts' agenda just a tad.

Interesting Discussion on Guns & the 2d Amendment (or what's left of it) today: I might add that Poland had feel-good gun registration laws prior to Hitler invading them. So, all the Nazis had to do was seize the records and pay the folks a little visit to disarm them. The same will no doubt be attempted here by the Dazis (via registration); However, if they realize there might, more likely will, be excessive bloodshed (hopefully more of theirs than ours!), they may opt to simply regulate and price (tax) us out of getting the ammo to defend ourselves from them, per gun store folks I've talked too...Yes, Willy M, I've partnered up with "The Judge" too!! Oh, well, we can always resort to a little "Red Dawn" action, and take their guns/ammo.

Coming Soon: Continuing saga of "The Fix Is In" issue which, like the 2d Amendment, is threatening to minimize our 1st Amendment, especially the "petition the government..." part.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 2:31 PM

OK, here's my take...

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone

3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

8. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

9. What part of 'shall not be infringed' do you not understand?

10. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

11. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

12. Guns have only two enemies: rust and politicians.

13. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

14. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

15. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

16. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

17. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.

18. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

19. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

20. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.

21. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don't make more.

22. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

23. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

-- Posted by Hawker on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 2:32 PM

Not to make a point, but to clarify somewhat. The CDC classifies children killed in gun incidents aged from 1-18. The lobbyist factor in 19 and 20 year olds which essentially doubles the number and includes a large number of gang related incidents. I don't have a gun, nor was I raised around guns - but have no aversion to people owning guns. For debating purposes I become cynical when idealists argue that laws restricting proper gun ownership will somehow resolve matters of malfeasance. It has been logically argued that had guns been available for self defense, some of the massacre type slaughters in school settings would have reduced the number of killed and injured. Argue on.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 2:38 PM

Hawker,

I don't have time to address all of your "take", but would like to comment on a few....

First, "12. Guns have only two enemies: rust and politicians." Hmmmm....this means criminals are their(the gun's) friends.

Okay, I agree.

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM

Next...

18. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson

Obviously, both tools to make crime and arson easier. Again, safety is important....LOL

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 2:48 PM

"14. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

I agree with this one....I just wish other "gun" enthusiasts did as well!

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 2:50 PM

Gosh Mel, did you miss this part (see below)? Where is the outrage and calls to regulate the hell out of children riding in motor vehicles? Shall we hold owners of vehicles involved in accidents,whether intentional or not, to the same standards you are advocating for firearms? We must hold God responsible for giving us the water our children drown it. God should also be held responsible for giving mankind the fire that so recklessly destroys those young lives. Where is the legislation regulating and holding responsible plastic bag (suffocation) manufacturers? How about the manufacturers of matches and lighters? And let's not forget those evil bicycle producers!

Firearms are involved in 0.6% of accidental deaths nationally. Most accidental deaths involve, or are due to, motor vehicles (39%), poisoning (18%), falls (16%), suffocation (5%), drowning (2.9%), fires (2.8%), medical mistakes (2.2%), environmental factors (1.2%), and bicycles and tricycles (0.7%). Among children: motor vehicles (45%), suffocation (18%), drowning (14%), fires (9%), bicycles and tricycles (2.4%), falls (2%), poisoning (1.6%),environmental factors (1.5%), and medical mistakes (0.8%).

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 2:54 PM

"14. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

I agree with this one....I just wish other "gun" enthusiasts did as well!

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, 1:50 pm CDT

You have absolutely no idea what "gun enthusiasts" believe. I know a lot of gun enthusiasts and not one who is not in the military or law enforcement has ever killed anyone. Owning a gun does not make a person an "enthusiast".

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 2:56 PM

Well Willy,

I provide logical information. You are the one resorting to name calling.

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 3:01 PM

The fiasco that is the Canadian Gun Registry disproves any value to be attained by such an endeavor. Not even the Canadians will agree to register their guns and Canada is often touted as the ideal by gun control advocates. Again emotionalism seems to always trump logic and research for some people.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 3:23 PM

Actually we live in a Representative Republic, Democracy is mob rule.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 3:31 PM

Now this is more like it. Some debate that will get some red back into our cheeks.

Anyhow, here are my note worthy responses.

Can't hear the news: Turn up the volume.

Health sense: Better yet, how much would be saved just not paying any insurance premiums or even purchasing insurance?

Scratching for crumbs: Exactly~

No weather excuse: Exactly.

Looking for results: Off with their heads!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 3:33 PM

I was born and raised around guns and my ancestors helped to win the freedom of this country with guns. No one will take away my guns without a fight. I am a child of my ancestors.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 3:42 PM

The Wolf's gripe is the fact that ammo has risen in price considerably. I believe there are many reasons for this too many to debate. However, a gun is just a toy without ammo!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 3:49 PM

Somewhat Tardy After-action Report on SSR to St. L

Since my 'puter, "Hal", is still acting up (more like freezing up), I'm really getting behind the power curve lately. Anyway, it was a fun Suicide Sanity Run to the St. Louis area last Fri. Nice and warm, great for racing around and wasting lots of gas/money!

Geeze. It seems as though the city creatures up there didn't get the memo, that we're all 'sposed to be moping around whining about a recession or even another "Great Depression", as the anti-capitalist Left has been wishing for and working to achieve for so long.

Gee, there was all sorts of commerce going on, and folks burning up gas racing around to shopping centers and spending money like drunken Liberals...probably thinking money just grows on taxpayers or something. But I figured I should do my patriotic duty and join the fray. It was fun, but I wish I'd been aware of those Taurus Judge goodies before I went up there, I would of sucked up a couple of them instead of only the one I bagged yesterday. Oh, well, it was a fun run just the same.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 3:54 PM

Me'Lange: The NRA is too Trotskyite for me. It would compromise the right to own guns away. Jews and GOA are more my speed.

I'm surprised that you don't have us registering Screwdrivers, Hammers, and Chainsaws. The central committee knows best for all of us. We belong to the country in your opinion instead of the country belonging to us.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 4:18 PM

Melange

The Canadian Gun Registry has shown that gun registration does not work for a variety of factors including costs and non compliance. You should do some research and study before making blanket statements.

You are also the one who becomes incensed when people do not take into consideration your background, experience and expertise when evaluating the worth of your comments/opinions and yet you do the same thing. Myself and others have backgrounds in Law Enforcement and yet you simply ignore that and continue with your emotional entreaties to "compromise".

As a retired Law Enforcement Officer, I am covered under federal and state statues, so I have no particular worry about anyone coming to get my guns, but unlike some I do not think only of my situation or what will affect me.

The Heller decisions left a considerable amount of room for "reasonable" regulations and as has been said on here by others the definition of "reasonable" depends on your viewpoint of firearms and firearms ownership.

Out for a while, have to go to Cape; don't want to but have to.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 4:21 PM

Melange, I would agree with all that you mentioned.

For many years now I have turned my back on the NRA.

I have many resons for this and won't get into that.

Your also right about no one asking for my guns. When and if they ever do the answer will be swift and with extreme prejudice!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 4:23 PM

Can't Hear the News - I would highly suggest you take my approach and stop listening to that station, I only listen to the voices in my head.

Health Sense - Luck may not play a big part in it, but some diseases strike regardless of health precautions.

Scratching for Crumbs - Welcome to America, hurry we're running out of free t-shirts of the "been there done that".

No Weather Excuse - the voice in my head says... BURN THEM!! BURN THEM!!

Looking for Results - A Class War? If people can't even get up and take care of their own leaves in this city, how in the heck are they going to take up arms over class?

-- Posted by Kllrfsh on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 4:27 PM

The most dangerous thing in the world are not guns but someone else looking out for my own good.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 5:34 PM

Bring back the guillotine and public flogging.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 5:37 PM

hilleco,

I don't mind if someone is looking out for my own good...so long as I got a gun to make sure they are truely looking out for my own good!

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 5:40 PM

Maybe we could throw all the guns in the world into the ocean the world would be a safe place. We would have to throw all the bombs into the ocean as well and any other weapon. Swords and knives should go as well as pointed sticks. When I was in grade school you could put an eye out with a pencil so lets get rid of those too (don't forget about spit wads as I think there have been a few children blinded by those through the years).

Just to ensure this works anyone possessing any such items should be put to death immediately. Now wouldn't that be a fine place to live!

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 5:52 PM

Rick -- Yeah, but it's a lot harder to mow down a playground full of kids with a knife or a hammer.

Joanna -- Are you really looking to Hitler for wisdom?

-- Posted by grisgris on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 6:27 PM

"Scratching for crumbs"

"THE only socialism, democratic or not, that I have read about always ended up with a few people in the Politburo consuming all the wealth and the great masses scratching for crumbs."

I want to hang out with you. You are right on target with your assertion that all the wealth ends up in the hands of the elite. You can hear the words of the Wall Street banksters that Jo Ann Emerson bailed out with our meager wages say that we are a NEW source of wealth for them, as Jo Ann Emerson and her kind take our money, the wages of the K-Mart employee, the checker at Schnucks, the overnight convenience store employee at Rhodes, the person who cleans houses, cuts grass, delievers the newspaper, and the rest of us and gives our money to the multi-millon dollar salaried banksters so that they can buy other banks, give their employees bonuses from $3,000 to $4 million each, and give their investors dividends.... all paid with... OUR MONEY. Thank yo, Jo Ann Emerson.

I am so p*ssed that it would not take much for me to be convinced that these bast*rds are more evil than the Vietnamese who this government sent me and many of my countryment to kill, yet they had never harmed us, or, the Iraqi's and the Afghanis who never harmed us. These scum have bled out this country, and this government and the one of Obama WILL DO NOTHING TO REVERSE the skimming and scamming of America, and destroying the middle class.

Therefore, I believe that there will come a point in the very near future where by Americans will take independent action upon these soft targets in an attempt to stop the greed, to stop the rape of America.

I do not wish to publicly endorse the harvesting of these worthless elitist parasites at this time. However, I will not condone my neighbor if he wishes to strike a blow for freedom and justice.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 6:49 PM

Melange,

After writing a rather lengthy rebuttal in reference to gun registration, I have deleted it and instead chosen to take my shoes off and spend the next thirty minutes hitting myself on the toes with a ball peen hammer. I honestly do not understand your confusion. As you have so often said on here before, “I am not going to do your research for you.”

As to helping solve crimes, I have never seen a crime in which someone left a firearm at the scene, so whether it was registered or not is meaningless. As to theft, if a firearm is stolen, the serial number is then entered into NCIC by which the owner can be notified upon recovery. I am still awaiting a call on my stolen guns from about eight years ago.

Additionally most of the guns I know of that were used in crimes had their serial numbers removed, so there again registration would be ineffective.

If you wish to hold gun owners legally responsible for their firearms, do you propose criminal sanctions for an individual who has a firearm stolen? Just one of my gun safes cost almost two thousand dollars. While you can get cheaper ones and I have had in the past, they can be broken into given a little time and are still fairly expensive. Many people do well to be able to afford a firearm and cannot afford an expensive safe in which to store it. How would you handle that?

“It is my understanding the purpose of the US firearm registration is to prevent (or slow) the flow of legal handguns from the legal market to illegal market. Since you have experience, can you tell me for a fact that US registration has NOT slowed this flow? (Really could give a rat’s behind if Canada’s did so or not.)” Yes I can because there is no federal requirement for firearms registration and the states vary greatly. No, gun registration in these states does not help as there are ways around this as is evidenced by the crime rate in states with registration. Guns are brought in from states without registration. This is illegal, but laws do not always have the desired affect and the very definition of a criminal is that he/she does not obey the law.

Just my opinion and I am sure there are those with similar backgrounds and experience that will disagree; now I really have to get some ice on my toes.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 6:56 PM

THE SATANIC ISRAELI LIKUDISTS BOMBED THE UN HEADQUARTERS IN GAZA....

When will the foolish, ignorant and stupid American Zionist realize that the Israelis are not the people of God, nor was it created by God. If there is to be an Israel as some bible believers wish us to believe, then it will be established by God, not Britian, America and the UN, as the Israeli nation under Satan was established in `1948.

The Israeli Likudists bomb childern with White Phosphorus, kill women, old men as we and this government and the American Zionists cheers them on.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 6:57 PM

gris, I am confused by your Hitler remark. I used his quote to illustrate how gun control can be used against a county's own citizens.

All others who believe in a Utopian world where no one is ever harmed by all those evil weapons;

Sing with me, kumbaya my lord, kumbaya. kumbaya my lord kumbaya.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 6:58 PM

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

Thomas Jefferson

THE TROUBLE WITH AMERICA IS, THAT THE GOVERNEMTN DOESN'T FEAR THE PEOPLE.... THE PEOPLE FEAR THE GOVERNMENT....

Let us pray for the day that there will be change that we and the government will believe in...

I don't know if we will have a "class war", or, not. There are people of wealth who believe in the Constitution and the principles upon which this country was founded. However, they are not the ones in power at the moment, and, I fear, they are not going to be represented in the Obama government. Greed bast*rds and war mongers seem to be getting choice positions in the Obama regime, as they did in the bush terror regime.

If you surrender your weapons, you have already committed treason. If the come for our guns, join with others, meet them in the streets, and make they wish that they were somewhere else.

Surrender not one weapon, nor, not one bullet, unless it be fired from the aforementioned weapon.

Resistance is not frutile. It is demanded, and necessary to defeat tyranny, and to ensure liberty.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 7:15 PM

IT'S TOMMY TIME...... TIME FOR WISE WORDS FROM THOMAS JEFFERSON...

"It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others: or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own"

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive."

"The whole commerce between master and slave is a perpetual exercise of the most boisterous passions, the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submissions on the other. Our children see this, and learn to imitate it."

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. "

"War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses. "

"I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind. "

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world. "

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. "

"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. "

"The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force."

One of my favorite Thomas Jefferson quotes....

"I have seen enough of one war never to wish to see another. "

This Thomas Jefferson Quotes could be used as a basis to rationalize a strong resistance to the attempt to place any control over our 2nd Amendment rights. If they bring the war to us, (confiscation, et al) then, we must defend ourselves.

"It is our duty still to endeavor to avoid war; but if it shall actually take place, no matter by whom brought on, we must defend ourselves. If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it."

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 7:30 PM

REAL REPUBLICANS....KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, AS DID DWIGHT...

"In most communities it is illegal to cry "fire" in a crowded assembly. Should it not be considered serious international misconduct to manufacture a general war scare in an effort to achieve local political aims?"

Dwight D. Eisenhower

9-11 Was an inside job... to "acheive local political aims" an agenda of tyranny, greed, and avarice.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 7:39 PM

Goodbody,

Did you read this Missourian Blog?

http://www.semissourian.com/article/2009...

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 7:46 PM

Probably the quickest way to lose $80k in cash is to be stopped and questioned by the police or try to board an airplane with it; sad state of affairs.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 7:55 PM

unless you have $80,000 in one dollar bills and are heading across the river to the Pink Pony.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 8:01 PM

Megalomania....

Thanks for the heads up on this new blog. Do you think that it is a propaganda effort, or, is this guy really interested in serious observations, such as yours?

I left comments.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 8:13 PM

Oh, hell, I missed the lying bast*rd's farewell address... did I miss much?

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 8:15 PM

MY mind outta the gutter? And whose always talking about mini skirts, whips, and chains? LOL

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 8:16 PM

I trust no one who wish me defenseless.

Register a gun in LA, chances are that it will be gone when you return home from work.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 8:16 PM

Melange,

Having spent many years around cop shops and reading national law enforcement publications, I cannot remember reading any supporting information on the efficacy of individual states registration laws as like New York and Chicago the firearms used in crimes are most often stolen or have been brought in from states without registration.

You cannot possibly know how bad the law enforcement systems of various states including Missouri’s are. I really wish you could sit down with a records check from Missouri or any other state and try to decipher it. It is so bad that during my last two years of work, we had someone from the MSHP come to our office and try to train us to read and make sense of them and he admitted that he could not do an adequate job due to the complexity. Those from the FBI are little better with often repeated entries on the same incident with different case numbers often lacking disposition information.

One need not wade through “propaganda” in order to get to the facts.

With or without registration, it is already illegal on both the state and federal level to sell a gun to a criminal.

You “register” a stolen gun in NCIC when it is stolen, so how would registering it twice have any impact? All guns used in crime or confiscated are run through NCIC to determine they if they were stolen.

There has been research on how best to make it impossible to remove a serial number such as placing it so that doing so would weaken the frame to the point it would break, but this would only be effective on the polymer guns with metal plates bearing a serial number. With metal guns, they really have not been able to come up with anything that I am aware. Research is always ongoing and efforts are being made to require “microstamping” in which a round fired in a weapon will bear the identifier for that particular firearm. This has not proven successful so far and for just about anything like this, there is always a way around it. In a matter of a few minutes I can make modifications on a semi automatic pistol or revolver to the point where a case or bullet cannot be matched to that weapon.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 8:21 PM

Goodbody,

You missed a good 15 minute nap.

I didn't see your comments on the new blog, but in my personal, but not so professional opinion it appears to be another skewed politico vision. As usual, the truth is left voiceless.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 8:26 PM

Little black skirts, little black dresses, whips, chains, it all points to B & D and serious dominatrix innuendo. LOL. Speaking of which, Madam Jolie made Brad snub Seacrest. Now that's a bad woman.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 8:32 PM

Goodbody,

I better clarify, that new blog that is...not your comments.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 8:35 PM

While it's a bit dated.

Jeremy Clarkson goes to Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQo7sSW06...

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 8:50 PM

Megalomania,

And...then there was the era of "HOT PANTS." Ah, those were the good ole days.

The other night, I was dining at the Greacian, when the couple who had been seated in front of me, approached my table. She asked if I had worked at a particular disco thrity years ago.

It is nice to be remembered and recognized after so many years.

"If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life

Never make a pretty woman your wife

So from my personal point of view

Get an ugly girl to marry you

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life

Never make a pretty woman your wife

So from my personal point of view

Get an ugly girl to marry you

A pretty woman makes her husband look small

And very often causes his downfall

As soon as he marries her then she starts

To do the things that will break his heart

But if you make an ugly woman your wife

you'll be happy for the rest of your life

An ugly woman cooks meals on time

And she'll always give you peace of mind

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life

Never make a pretty woman your wife

So from my personal point of view

Get an ugly girl to marry you

Sax solo

Don't let your friends say you have no taste

Go ahead and marry anyway

Though her face is ugly, her eyes don't match

Take it from me, she's a better catch

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life

Never make a pretty woman your wife

So from my personal point of view

Get an ugly girl to marry you

Spoken:

Say man!

Hey baby!

I saw your wife the other day!

Yeah?

Yeah, an' she's ug-leeee!

Yeah, she's ugly, but she sure can cook, baby!

Yeah, alright!

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life

Never make a pretty woman your wife

So from my personal point of view

Get an ugly girl to marry you

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life

Never make a pretty woman your wife

So from my personal point of view

Get an ugly girl to marry you

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life

Never make a pretty woman your wife

So from my personal point of view

Get an ugly girl to marry you

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life

Never make a pretty woman your wife

So from my personal point of view

Get an ugly girl to marry you"

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 8:53 PM

ahhh, cash. The ultimate credit rating :-)

-- Posted by fxpwt on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 8:53 PM

Maybe I liked it better when the blog wasn't so flush. Humour seems a bit dry tonight.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 8:55 PM

Willy,

It is unfortunate that we have gradually come to the point to where we can be placed into a situation in which we may have to prove we are not guilty of something or lose our property. Under certain circumstances your cash can be taken from you under the assumption that it was or will be used in a criminal transaction. This is largely due to our “War on Drugs”.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 8:56 PM

MORE DESPICABLE CRIMES BY THE BUTCHER STATE OF ISRAEL.

Tonight, an Iranian ship, loaded with food, medicine and clothing sits thirty miles off the coast of Egypt. It is aid much needed in Gaza. The Israeli's and their prostitute state of Egypt, have prevented the Iranian mercy aid ship from unloading in Egypt, or, in Gaza.

More reasons to hate the Israeli Likudist scum....

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/200...

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:01 PM

Ahh..we go go. Real entertainment. Top Gear's answer to "Pimp My Ride"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0qdHEBo3...

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:06 PM

CONFISCATED CASH..... for over 35 years, the government has been working to take what is yours under forefieture laws....

The 4th Amendment needs to be restored, by any means necessary.

http://nestmannblog.sovereignsociety.com...

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:07 PM

New meaning to "Oops, I could have had a V-8."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGvJvfVYk...

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:13 PM

Melange,

It would be confiscated, refer to Goodbody's link. It would then be divided among participating agencies by the court.

In all likelihood it would be determined that no lawful sale had transpired and the "purchased" items would be returned to the original owner. There might be some legal fees attached depending on the jurisdiction.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:16 PM

Ok,,,, time for my take....

The one common factor I see in Hilleco's, Jo's, Willy's, KCOP's and Rick's post about guns and children. You were all taught to respect the gun and what it could do if handled or used inappropriately. Not sure that is still the case.

I don't own a gun, but if the dooms day does arrive that we have a "Red Dawn" type thing. I'm heading over to one of the forementioned guy's home. I'm a quick learner if they have a beginner gun handy. hehe Speaking of which, should you guys give me a code word so I don't get shot ringing your door bell??? j/k

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:17 PM

New rocker for Grandma?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSJf--aTa...

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:20 PM

Willy,

It is just a shame we have come to the point to where we have to prove we are not doing anything wrong in order not to have our property taken from us.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:23 PM

Megalomania

I have lived all my life without knowing about TOP GEAR...

thanks for the great video link on youtube....

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:27 PM

Willy Makit

You didn't tell Pups the secret code word, or, knock to get in. Otherwise, tradgety could result.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:30 PM

Robert,

That might have been Willy's plan. Maybe I was a smart *** one time too many????

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:32 PM

US PROPAGANDA MEDIA.... GIVES LITTLE COMMENT TO HUNDREDS OF ANTI-ISRAELI BRUTALLITY PROTESTS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

The protests against the bloodthirsty, butchering state of Israel are happening all over the world, including in NYC, Denver and Toronto. Yet the Zionist controled US media, downplays the protests,and the butchery going on in Gaza by the Likudists in Israel's government and their war mongering military.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_qu...

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:33 PM

Robert,

That might have been Willy's plan. Maybe I was a smart *** one time too many????

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:33 PM

sorry about the double post....

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:34 PM

Off topic,,,

Hope Babe is just down visiting family and haveing such a great time she can't post. And not because there is anything wrong.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:45 PM

Pups

I have a couple with whom I am friends. All these years, they were anti-gun. "No gun in my house," etc. About two years ago, the male approached me and asked that I help them select a suitable weapon based upon their preceived needs.

I did. I encouraged them to buy ammo. At that time, it was about $100.00 per 1,000 rounds. To my knowledge, they did not, nor, did they take me up on my offer to take them to the range and help them become familiar and proficient with the weapon.

Without ammunition, their weapon is just an expensive club.

I am sure, that you have friends who will allow you to burrow in with them, if things really get tense. As for beginners weapons which you mentioned, I would suggest a revolver, an SKS, or, an semi-auto AK when you become just a tiny bit more advanced. The only thing that would keep me from recommending an AK for a real beginner, is that you do have to get the knack of changing magazines efficently in a stress situation down pretty good. An SKS would allow you to become familiar with shooting a weapon, and then you could quickly graduate to a AK style weapon. To become proficent with the SKS, you would have to learn to quickly re-charge the built in magazine with ammo that is on a stripper clip. Overall, I would suggest an AK style weapon for the graduated beginner. Learn on an SKS, graduate to an AK. Keep the SKS because it shoots the same caliber ammo as does the AK style weapon. Just FYI, for commonality and sharing purposes, the ammo is fairly common with those who prepared for Y2k, are survivalists, or, who were involved with those "everybody wants to be an officer" militias which were popular duing the early to mid '90's.

You have friends... even ones whom you do not really know. They would not let you down in the event of a scenario.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:46 PM

Mel,

Sorry didn't mean to offend, but being that Instructor hasn't gotten you trained on fire arms yet. What choice would I have?? hehe

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:48 PM

Goodbody,

It's my "Manly" show. *flexing my one stomach muscle* Can I breathe now?

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:48 PM

Goodbody,

It's my "Manly" show. *flexing my one stomach muscle* Can I breathe now?

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:48 PM

Goodnight....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q3LvjD-e...

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:54 PM

Thanks Robert,

I have fired one pistol in my life so far. I think the recoil shocked as much as the sound. (friend thought it would be funny not to tell me about either the first time and no ear plugs) It was a "Dirty Harry" gun if I recall correctly.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:54 PM

Melange,

Now here I thought you could have taken Babe. Guess she is scrappier then I gave her credit for. j/k

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:57 PM

Gotta love the Boss.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 10:03 PM


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