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Southeast Missouri State University to hold first violence-related emergency preparedness drill Wednesday

Tuesday, January 13, 2009

FRED LYNCH ~ flynch@semissourian.com
About 60 people gathered for a prayer vigil in front of Academic Hall at Southeast Missouri State University in April 2007 in memory of the slain students at Virginia Tech.
Southeast Missouri State University is testing the readiness of its campus community to a shooting scenario when the school conducts an emergency preparedness drill Wednesday.

Scheduled from 8 a.m. to noon, the drill will result in the lock down of Carnahan Hall, Crisp Hall of Nursing, the pedestrian area on the east side of Academic Hall and the south side of Brandt Hall of Music while university staff members work through the drill. Cheney Drive, the parking lot north of Crisp Hall and parking lot east of Brandt Hall will also be inaccessible. Faculty and staff members will not be allowed in the area during this time.

"We've had drills for emergencies such as tornadoes and earthquake for years, but this is the first time we've had one for a violent situation," said Southeast director of public safety Doug Richards. "Any type of violent behavior causes risk to the campus and that is a reason why we feel the need to simulate this drill."

Richards expects the drill to take 56 minutes. The first course of action of the simulation will be an initial telephone call to the campus' police dispatch unit between 8 and 9 a.m. of reported shots fired in Crisp Hall.

Once the call is received by a dispatcher, a team of 45 to 60 members of the campus emergency team will then meet to decide a course of action and law enforcement will be notified. Richards said campus police will play the roles of those agencies during the drill, who will barricade certain buildings and search the area for the shooter.

Richards said recent high-profile events such as the deadly shootings at Virginia Tech University and Columbine High School are reasons to have such a drill.

"We chose this event because of the changing times we live in," Richards said. "Unfortunately the reality is situations like those at the two schools have become more common in today's society."

Look for more on this story later in the day at semissourian.com and in Wednesday's Southeast Missourian.



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The solution to this problem is simple. Allow the students who possess a concealed carry permit the right to carry on campus.

It is better to have a weapon and not need it than to need a weapon and not have it.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 1:13 PM

Wouldn't this exercise be more fruitful if it was done with students present? Classes don't start until next week.

-- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 1:21 PM

Wouldn't this exercise be more fruitful if it was done with students present? Classes don't start until next week.

-- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 1:22 PM

JoannaStone posted:

"The solution to this problem is simple. Allow the students who possess a concealed carry permit the right to carry on campus."

Right!?! But insist that all of the good guys wear white hats, and they need a hitchin' post outside each classroom for the horses, and a saloon on each floor where all the outlaws hang out. That way the good guys can just stop by and wipe out a bad guy or two between class. The only real problem will be what to do with all the horse manure and bad guy dead bodies.

Hmmmm, Maybe that isn't such a good solution.

-- Posted by TheCamp on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 2:00 PM

Bob, Missouri has had a concealed carry law since 2003.

If we have had an old west type scenario in Missouri since the enactment of said law, please expound. As a matter of fact, please let us all know about the blood being spilled in the street and any other criminal activity involving those who are lawfully permitted.

You won't find it because it hasn't happened.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 3:09 PM

Lynard Skynard said it best in their song "Saturday Night Special".

Hand guns are made for killin

Aint no good for nothin else

And if you like your whiskey

You might even shoot yourself

So why dont we dump em people

To the bottom of the sea

Before some fool come around here

Wanna shoot either you or me

Its a saturday night special

Got a barrel thats blue and cold

Aint no good for nothin

But put a man six feet in a hole

-- Posted by TheCamp on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 3:30 PM

You obviously live in a Utopian world that simply doesn't exist, Bob. A handgun or any other firearm is simply an implement that only becomes dangerous when an individual decides to make it so.

Every day there are millions of legally owned handguns which cause absolutely no harm. Thousands of times each year those legally owned handguns are used in a defensive manner completely consistent with the law.

Shall we outlaw spoons because they made Rosie O'donnell fat?

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 3:44 PM

Well, In my utopian world it is against the law for students to carry a concealed weapon on campus and I agree with that law.

-- Posted by TheCamp on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 5:16 PM

Actually Bob, the law allows the following:

(10) Any higher education institution or elementary or secondary school facility without the consent of the governing body of the higher education institution or a school official or the district school board. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of any higher education institution or elementary or secondary school facility shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises

In other words, if the Board of Regents decided it was going to allow concealed carry, they have that option.

And here is the best part of the law:

2. Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (17) of subsection 1 of this section by any individual who holds a** concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises.

So in other words, all they can ask you to do is LEAVE! No criminal penalties whatsoever! It's the law and I like it. I can carry darn near anywhere I want (and I most certainly do) because all they can ask me to do is leave.

I have carried on the Southeast campus more times than I can count.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 5:27 PM

Here is the link to the actual law governing concealed carry.


I am posting this for the benefit of Bob and the rest of the ignorant, gun hating viewers so you might enlighten yourselves as to what the law really says about concealed carry.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 5:37 PM


I am with you on this one.

The Camp

The permits are not issued like candy, there are background checks done after you have received training on the proper use of when you can use your weapon.

I will tell you one thing. Whether I have my weapon on me or not is beside the point. Those people at Virgina Tech sat like sheep when that crazy guy came in. Only one person took a stand and that was the teacher who used his body to barricade the door. There are many things in a typical class room that can be used against an individual should enough people take a stand against some one trying to do them harm. If you have the frame of mind at the moment it is him or me then you can be very creative with what you have available. But to coward under a desk is not acceptable.

-- Posted by gman on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 5:46 PM

Southeast's policy if I understand it correctly, allows students to have a firearm concealed in their vehicle. If carrying it on your person they can ask you to leave. The employees of the university however, (anyone who receives payment from the university from professors down to maintenance men) are allowed to carry.

From what I understood they will also complete this drill with students present, I think this drill is more to train the staff on how to complete the drill successfully (so it's not a cluster of people running around going "where do we go now?"

I'm just happy that the campus is finally thinking about the safety of their students and utilizing some of the tuition money (instead of building more fountains and buildings with pools, giant parking structures, and other useless items) instead of removing programs and fields of study due to the "budget cut".

-- Posted by ZeRo1 on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 9:54 AM

If you properly carry concealed, no one will ever have an idea that you are armed. Although I would not recommend it, a student could carry a weapon in their backpack. The problem with this is you do not maintain control of the weapon all the time.

So my advice to any student who is properly permitted? Carry on!

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 10:57 AM

You Go, Joanna. I am right there with you.

-- Posted by Road_King on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 12:45 PM

The problem, Road King, lies with anti gunners like Bob perpetuating the MYTH of old west gunfights in the street and road rage resulting in one person shooting another. Just doesn't happen. Never has, never will.

When you call them on it, they just can't find examples and it shoots their argument right out the door.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 1:04 PM

Part of the problem is the way pro-gun users present their argument: guns don't kill people; people kill people. That is true. And it's a risk I'd rather not have forced on me by someone who decided to bring their gun everywhere. Leave your gun at home. Since there are no shootouts in the street you won't be needing it anyway. Bringing it along only creates the opportunity for it to be used, and for some horrible accident--or worse--to happen.

I'm more worried about how 45-60 people are going to meet and make a decision in an emergency situation where seconds count!

-- Posted by Greater_Still on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 1:29 PM


Never, will it be the best thing for people to carry hand guns on campus. Lets go back to Jonesboro, shall we. You think I can't provide you tons of data, try again. But, will you listen?

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 1:32 PM

OK Theorist, provide your data that says legally armed individuals are a threat to society.

I will never cower in a corner waiting for a madman to blow my head off. Heck the life I could potentially save might be yours.

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 3:21 PM

In addition, I can assure you there are people carrying handguns on that campus every day. (law abiding or otherwise)

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 3:23 PM

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