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Monday, January 5, 2009

Life of service

THE PERSON complaining about teaching doesn't understand the history of teaching. It was a service job, and school boards wouldn't hire married women because teachers were expected to give their lives to their students. My dad read me all the duties expected of teachers in those days: make sure the coal stove was fired up and sweep the school. Today's teachers have custodians, and some of them complain about grading papers at home. Teachers commit to a life of service. You're giving more of yourself when you become a teacher.

A fair plan

THE FAIRTAX plan is exactly that: fair. It would be fair to those who have incomes below average. But it would also be fair to those Americans who are working hard and trying to succeed. Critics of the plan generally do not understand it. Before criticizing the FairTax plan, read the book by John Linder and Neal Boortz. After you understand the plan, I am convinced that the vast majority of Americans would support it out of a sense of justice.

What? Me worry?

I'D LIKE to address the 2012 end times predictions. There is only one being who knows when the world will end, and the ones making these predictions are not God. Besides, if 2012 is really when the end comes, there is clearly nothing we can do about it. So why worry?

Cost differences

IT IS no wonder people can't afford health insurance. My father and I had to have the same procedure done within two months of each other. His charges were billed through Medicare and mine through my insurance obtained through my place of employment. His doctor's bill was at least $1,500 to $2,000 cheaper than mine, and my insurance company was also billed roughly $8,000 from the hospital that my father wasn't billed for -- and we had the exact same procedures.

Murderous thoughts

MAY I add one more comment on the barking dogs? If you have never lived next door to a dog that barks day and night, you have no idea what it's like. You lie awake at night thinking of all the ways to put a stop to it. It amazes me that the dogs' owners never seem to hear them. Maybe it gives them a sense of security to think a mutt is in charge. Don't they realize that a burglar could loot the whole neighborhood and no one would think anything of it because the barking never stops? Don't misunderstand. I love dogs. I have one of my own and would never allow her to disturb my neighbors. Before I pass judgment on the man who poisoned his neighbor's dog, I think of the nights I have lain awake with murderous thoughts in my head. Please, dog owners, have a little consideration.

TV impasse

I SEE a bunch of multibillion-dollar channels may go off the air. Poor world. No Sponge cartoon. No raunchy videos. What are we to do? And they say they won't budge to save the consumer a few cents a month. I suppose they think I believe they care about the consumer rather than their bank accounts.

Touched by a hug

I READ the comment from someone who had been touched by a hug. If that happened in Walgreen's at the card counter a couple of days before Christmas, I am the woman who God used. And thank you for your kindness. I pray every day that God will direct me to someone that he might be glorified. God bless you, sir, in every area of your need. Also remember that God in greater than any problem that we face.

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Life of service

Some comments are so stupid they should just stand on their own as an example.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 4:57 AM

Murderous thoughts

Buy a silent dog whistle and use it on the barkers.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 5:06 AM

Charity homes built by Jimmy Carter crumbling....


-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 6:06 AM

Here we are in one of the worse recessions in decades and some people are still talking about "barking dogs" the mind set some of these people have.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 6:44 AM

I suppose some folks wake every morning to see what they can complain about Jimmy Carter. Get a life, he's done a lot for the common folks and not every story is a success.

"W" sure didn't battle 100%.

-- Posted by changedname on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 7:35 AM

morning folks

enuff with the dogs already .

the biggest proponents of 2012 being the end of time

were the Mayans who had an excellent calendar system .

the thing of it is , they didn't predict their own demise ....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 7:56 AM


I found this interesting from the article....

"The case could challenge the bedrock philosophy behind Habitat for Humanity, claiming that using volunteers, rather than professional builders, is causing as many problems as it solves."

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 8:08 AM

Morning all


this is from last night. We had bought my daughter a car for her 16th birthday. It is a 2002 and we spent less than 3k on it. There are 2 places in Jackson that have nier cars for less than 3k that are newer, true a few o them have higher miles but are nice cars that still run good. There is also a place in Dexter that has some cheaper ones as well. Getting a car cheaper wasn't our problem it was the insurance. $758 for 6 months liability for a kid.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 8:20 AM

Pruitt Igo was a housing project built in the 1960's

on the near north side of downtown St.Louis ...

it fell apart more from not being maintained then by

poor craftmenship by the unions ...it wasn't the late

night place to be ..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 8:56 AM

Have wheels

I would rather see our president worry about helping out in THIS country. Sure aids in Africa is in need of help but personlly I feel all of our people without healthcare, homes, food, jobs should take a little priority over all the billions of dollars beng sent overseas. Isn't there a saying charity begins at home

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 8:57 AM

i'll be 53 yrs old next week and i know for sure that

advanced age does not necessarily beget wisdom ..

if i knew half as much as i thought i did , i'd belong

to Mensa and be a Rhodes Scholar ..

but after 53 years , i'm still a dumb ol' stump

kicking country boy ...Hao ! se-va'ha !

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:33 AM

I thought Habitat families were mentored with maintaining their home, finances etc.

I do agree that maintenance is the biggest obstacle in keeping great facilities in good condition. Look at the wonderful city of Cape Girardeau. They routinely build outstanding community facilities only to let them deteriorate with wear and neglect. (Just stirring the pot for possible input).

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:47 AM

Good Morning All,

Even if the house is built by Habitat, it is still going to need to be maintained by owner or it will have problems. Kind of a no brainer, but I haven't read the article yet. Btw, I think there is one home built by Habitat that is vacant, or at least appears to be when I drive by it. Can a family move out? Aren't they contractually bound to the home for a number of years? I've admittedly have limited knowledge of the way it works.


My mistake, but still think your skill at throwing birdseed could be as on target as your rice throwing ability. *wink*

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 11:00 AM


It's my understanding that the owners have the mortgage and responsibilities of any other home owner.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 11:19 AM

Cost differences,

Just be glad you both had the proceedure done before 01/01/09. Rumour has it that you'de be paying 6% more then you did at one local hospital for your proceedures.

Though in defense of the differences in bills. Insurance companies and Medicare have different contracts with hospitals as to what can be charged for if wanting to receive payment on bill. This includes but not limited to the amount of charge and proceedures charged. Just an example, your insurance will pay more for say an X-ray then your father's Medicare will, so you are charged Y amount while your father is charged Z amount. (hope that made sense)

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 11:23 AM

Thanks Babe,

Which leads to my next question. Can they sell/refinance the home if they so choose? And do Habitat for Humanity homes go into forclosure? Does a Bank hold the note or does the organization on the home? I guess I could look them up on the web, but I'm lazy. hehe

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 11:31 AM

Life of service/Murderous thoughts: GEEZE, this barking teachers-grading dogs issue (or something like that!) just won't go away. It's obvious the SEMO'ian didn't indulge in a NY resolution to cease & desist with this teacher are dogs nonsense...or whatever! Hmmm, well, come to think about it, hasn't gov't school teaching kinda gone to the dogs anyway?!! In any event, here's some simple suggestions to get a handle on both dilemmas:

1). Teachers: Remember that ole jingle: "Look for the union label"? Well, do the dog thing, and sniff around your kids' teachers. If you find one of them thar labels, well, then grab your brats quick and private or home school 'em! There now, an easy fix.

2). Barking Dogs (or teachers): Belay the "murderous thoughts" regarding the dogs...such thoughts might be reserved for the neighbors who own the dogs, however! That way, once they are eradicated, all you have to do is call the Humane Society and report an abandoned dog(s). Then again, there might be a city ordinance or two frowning on such behavior. Ya may want to check into that first!

What? Me worry?: Yeah, that's right. Why worry about it. The Big Guy intends to fry us all sooner or later anyway, and He'll be a lot more efficient going about it than that fake global warming hot air hype pushed by the U.N. global commies...Brrrrr! And it could happen earlier than 2012. Therefore, that's one reason the PC Polizei has deemed it appropriate (or PC) to wish folks a "Survivable" New Year in lieu of a Happy New Year. Besides, even if you survive the coming year, you may not be too danged happy about it anyway!!

Touched by a hug: OK, I can agree with the hugs gig, but only on a limited bases...my beloved Mule may just kick me in the teeth if I get carried away hugging too many ladies. And a caveat may be in order here: When visiting a bar full of brawny rednecks who are known for their brawling ways, I wouldn't advise just walking up and hugging 'em, or suggesting a group hug...'specially if you're a guy too!!

OK. That's enough foolishness. But just stow that teacher/dog thing...PLEEEEEAZE!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 11:42 AM


Just which

"The Big Guy intends to fry us all" big guy are you referring to....??

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 12:21 PM

RE: Public Housing

I spent much of my career going into public housing units from Wayne Miner Court in Kansas City to projects all through SE Missouri. Wayne Miner suffered the same fate as Pruitt Igo in St. Louis and eventually had to be demolished.

In the SE Missouri area families can have single family dwellings in many of the towns as well as apartments or duplexes and they are not kept up either. It is common practice for the Housing Authority to come in and have to redo the entire house after a family moves out due to poor upkeep.

No, not all people of a “certain class” treat property poorly, but from what I have seen a very significant portion do.

Several years ago many low income families received heating assistance and it was common for them to have the heat cranked up so high as to be almost unbearable. I asked them why they had it so high and the universal answer was, “why not, it’s not costing me anything” and if I don’t use it I can’t prove I need it next year.

I do not mean to impugn a “certain” class of people, but there is and has been a problem with the way we as a society have tried to deal with these “problems”. It was my experience that in many instances the tenants had no pride in their homes and made no efforts to keep them up and in others the officials did not designate sufficient funds to keep the property up or did not provide sufficient oversight to weed out the tenants who did not live up to the lease agreement.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 12:47 PM

have wheels and melange,

stereotypes do not come about because a minority of a group fit them......should settle your dispute

-- Posted by localboy on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 1:30 PM


I sure hate “catch phrases”, but unfortunately they are valid. Yes, I saw a difference and see a difference between a “hand out” and a “hand up”. A housing project in KC through the Land Clearance for Development Act called Parade Park with housing units being sold to the low income tenants who met certain criteria with VERY strict rules. The complex is administered by a Board on which some of the residents sit. It has been quite successful, but I have no information that it has been replicated. There was concern over the very strict rules. I believe people need to have an “investment” in order for them to be more responsible.

It is my belief that oftentimes people will rise to the challenge and if they do not, then “help” should not be given to them. This may seem like a hard hearted approach, but we have too many people who over many, many years we have made dependent on government assistance and intervention with no real expectation from them and to me that is the worse thing we can do.

Unfortunately, I am much better at recognizing a problem than in fixing it and do understand that it has taken generations to come to this point and it is something that cannot be quickly or easily “fixed” if ever.

Sorry for the length and I am sure I will leave something out but this is something I feel deeply about and it would take literally pages to explain my position on it. Of course even if I took the time, I could always still be wrong.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 4:12 PM


After my brother retired he took a part time job in maintenance that serviced several housing projects. He said that perhaps one out of a dozen apartments were not trashed and filthy. The one in a dozen was usually occupied by elderly tenants.

As my grandmother used to say...soap is cheap and there is no excuse for living in filth.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 4:26 PM

Has anyone seen the sand trucks out yet before the sleeting starts?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 4:29 PM

Life of service: I agree...this is a public service job. Tax payers foot the bill.

A fair plan: Honestly...according to the SO callers, it should be Huckabee being inaugurated on the 20th. Where in the blazes were all of you last summer???

What? Me worry?: I'm not...bring it on! LOL

Cost differences: Huh...finally getting it aren't you?.

Murderous thoughts: Very good points! Sell your dog, buy a rooster.

TV impasse: Long Live BBC!

Touched by a hug: Touched by a hug? How can you NOT touch someone when you hug them? In essance, anyone hugged is touched...right?

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 4:37 PM

Catch Phrase: Got Milk?

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 4:49 PM

snowcloning? Hmmm...now that would be interesting.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 4:56 PM

BABE...haven't seen any trucks yet..when is the sleet coming ? do we get snow too?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 5:03 PM


Shared characteristics bring about “stereotyping” and if it were not for these shared characteristics, then there could be no stereotyping or jokes of ethnic origin or of the social classes. Not all individuals in any class share the target characteristic, but enough do for someone to recognize what group a description fits. You could fire a rifle down Luther, Osage, Ruth or any number of streets in Sikeston before 1030 in the morning and not strike a soul because no one is up. Shortly thereafter people begin to emerge and take up their spots on porches or under shade trees. During the day and into the night people will come and go, visiting neighbors, drinking and doing whatever else unemployed people do. In Kansas City you have your black neighborhoods, white neighborhoods, Hispanic and so on with the same migration pattern.

Go to any of the streets in Chaffee or other small town or neighborhoods in larger towns during the day after the rush to work and before the return home and you will see absolutely no one as they are all at work.

It is difficult to see this and not come to some conclusions as to the overall make up and characteristics of “most” of the individuals in an area or social class. I agree that it is unfair to “stereotype” an individual from any social class or ethnic group, but the shared characteristics of that group really cannot be denied.

It is a prickly issue and my intention is not to offend anyone as I was raised in a poor, single parent household and managed to rise above it.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 5:05 PM

how does a person go about snowcloning ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 5:06 PM

When the Democrats are in charge, cutting taxes and restraining spending (we'll see if that actually happens) makes sense. When the Republicans were in charge, tax cuts were a bad idea and spending was not a problem.

Now the Republicans, who are in the minority, suddenly cry that we need to restrain spending! Where the heck were these guys over the last 14 years?

-- Posted by cycle_ride on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 5:12 PM


So you are saying that Sikeston has a diaspora of unemployed? That they congregate together because of shared values, ethnicity?, language (now thats funny), et.al.

I do not disagree, but it does bring about the question, "how do we stop the cycle?", or the question, "why do we think we need to stop the cycle?"

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 5:21 PM

Happy Birthday early, Rick ... You youngster, you! ~wink~

Have to reluctantly agree with you, red, on the housing issues and the fact that there really are people in this world who will not or cannot 'do better' even when given the opportunity. Leaving out my observations, experiences and opinions, though (I keep getting in trouble for them ~sigh~), except to say that unfortunately, it is rather a truth ... that when a majority of a certain group displays certain behavior, then that group is going to be 'stereotyped.' Those of us who 'rose above' our family circumstances know how we did it ... and it wasn't due to government handouts or welfare or much of any kind of outside help.

My respect and admiration for you rises significantly almost every week. You're one of the neatest people I've ever 'met.'

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 5:21 PM

Right, semoangel ... Charity begins--or should--at home. As far as AIDS help, I keep wondering why it must be so politically incorrect for anyone to suggest that AIDS is rather preventable and perhaps that is more of a solution than treating it after-the-fact? Oh, darn! I foresee being labeled something nasty here for that one ... But yes! We should be 'helping' various other countries with foreign aid ONLY after we have 'helped' our own people. It's kind of like feeding and clothing the neighbor's needy kids while leaving our own children starving and naked.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 5:34 PM


They can stop the cycle by getting a job. Simple, no?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 5:44 PM


They can stop the cycle by getting a job. Simple, no?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, 4:44 pm CDT

Well babe...

Honestly answer this....Would you hire a person, who lives on the "bad" street, who does not hold a job, has not completed school, has a bit of a record (even if it's not his fault) and the list goes on....

We all know you would not. So no, it is not simple.

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 6:07 PM


I was just using Sikeston as an example as the same thing can be said of many different towns in this area and others. Many if not most of us congregate based on shared values, ethnicity and language.

I see no “need” to change anyone as long as I am not expected to support their lifestyle, but this is often the case with AFDC, Section 8 Housing and other programs. If people choose to live that way and can do it without taxpayer subsidy then I have no problem with that as it is really of no concern to me how someone chooses to live their life. I really do not like to pass judgment on anyone as that can go both ways.


I began my studies with the intention of becoming a Social Worker and am familiar with all sorts of studies and research methodology, well nothing too recently since I have come to the conclusion that we cannot significantly change human behavior and as Theorist points out, have concerns over the advisability of doing so if we can excluding of course criminal and or destructive behavior. I believe that the “Self Fulfilling Prophecy” has some validity, but is not uniform, human behavior and motivation is just too complex.

The greatest impact my education and work experience had on me was to highlight how little I actually know and the limits of my ability to effect change.


Thank you, the feeling is mutual.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 6:09 PM


I worked for the Department of Corrections as a Job Placement Counselor for a while and while a criminal record is certainly a hindrance, it is easier to get a job than many would think. While this was many, many years ago, I lined up as many as five jobs for individuals and they did not want to take any of them. The most valuable asset when looking for work is a good job record even if it is working on a garbage truck or as a janitor and many will not take the time needed to build up a good work record. I have seen literally millions of dollars spent on getting offenders education, training and even to pay subsidies through JTPA and other programs with little to nothing to show for it.

While I think DOC and other organizations do need to continue with efforts such as MRP and others, success rates are low. The most important thing in achieving success is motivation and so far we have not been able to figure out how to do this. A relative of mine just got out of DOC and no matter what any of us try, in all likelihood; it will just be a matter of time before he goes back. He had a good job when he went up last time.

Oh, and I am glad to see you back posting.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 6:31 PM


Who has ever called you PC??? j/k

Like with most things, sometimes there are grey areas. Yes, I am a self proclaimed Liberal, but doesn't mean I haven't been disappointed or don't approve of some liberal causes. Any more then I think you have always appoved of the conservative causes/action. Right?

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 6:35 PM


They'll find some kind of work if they're hungry or else turn to crime to feed themselves. Frankly, I'd rather take care of them in prison rather than receiving government checks.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 6:40 PM

Wheels ... you are a witty person, aren't you? Good luck in retaining your Politically Correct status (too funny!)--sometimes that's so hard to do! Myself, I don't have one, don't need one, don't want one ... and keep trying to recall when it became something we were supposed to admire and support.

But listen ... ummm ... How to put this ...? Okay ... observations and/or comments/opinions aren't necessarily complaining, are they? If so, I'm going to make a late New Year's Resolution to stop observing ... Oh well, I'd probably break it in a day or less anyway. ~sigh~ For whatever reasons we send 'foreign aid' to even countries which support or harbor terrorists (yep, we do!) and even a few which sorta dislike us ... still seems like the old Charity phrase from Grandma's era might have some validity. And you know what? ... Darn, it's tough to be neither totally liberal or conservative! We who drive more in the middle of the road (which apparently is most of us) get razzed from both sides! ~grinning now~ I don't mind razzing, as long as the razz-er isn't too nasty about it.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 6:46 PM


Fair enough.. Oh and btw,, If GW walked on water, I would probably be more upset that he made the others swim when he could walk. hehe

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 6:50 PM


I'm so glad you finally admit to being a liberal. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 6:50 PM


When have I claimed not to be?????? lol

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 6:51 PM


How much does it cost to imprison somebody? I know that it ain't cheap.

-- Posted by isobar on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 6:52 PM


Not so much if we would go back to a penal system that made prisons self sustaining.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 7:02 PM


Better yet, a tent city. (prison wise) not the new depression era ones that are popping up.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 7:18 PM


"Yet, I still don't like folks that think they are "better" than other individuals. Just rubs me the wrong way."

-- Posted by Me'Lange on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, 6:20 pm CDT

This is one of the silliest posts I have ever seen.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 7:56 PM


Though I don't think politicians can walk on water (sorry GW and Wheels), I do tend to lean more left then right on many social issues. Sorry to disappoint, but I will say some of my initial thoughts have been readdressed since becoming a SO reader/poster.


I can honestly say depending on issue, my heart can bleed. But I've come to learn that about some of the so called righties in here as well.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 7:59 PM

awww poo~! Me night is ruined! I've grabbed the light twinkies instead of the regular! That really knackers me giblets.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 8:00 PM


Do light twinkies have a shorter shelf life then the good ole regular ones??

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 8:02 PM

I don't know about that, but they taste like burnt umber. Blah! Oh well, it's off to the thin mint icecream.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 8:05 PM

Big Race on BBC Top Gear tonight. Nissan GTR Vs. Bullet Train, in Japan.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 8:13 PM

I'd bet Light Twinkies do have a shorter shelf life - after having just one, the rest of the box comes off the shelf and goes into the trash :-)~

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 8:37 PM

And why are you fine specimens of men eating twinkies?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 8:42 PM


Are you admitting to being anti twinkie? Let me guess you're more of a hostess cupcake kind of gal?

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 8:58 PM


I'm a Moon Pie kind of gal. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:00 PM

For the sugar rush, of course!

Miss the old Ding-Dongs - the ones with the yellow cake and chocolate filling. Back in the days where they were packaged in real aluminum foil.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:04 PM


The eating of a moonpie is kind of a religious experience for a man. So there are three ingrediants needed to truly enjoy one. Summer, A Cold RC, and a bucket of KFC to vomit it all back up in.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:07 PM


Those were my favorite. I used to love to chill them in the fridge.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:09 PM


Do you have RC Cola with those??

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:09 PM

Just a quick jump-in to tell you, Wheels ... Naw, you weren't too nasty! Oh, all right, you weren't nasty at all--maybe a little sarcastic ... which is just fine with me since that's one of my faults, too ... Actually (ducking) I always rather liked and respected Bush, even though (and remembering Presidents do have 'advisors' since they cannot know everything about everything) some of his decisions didn't seem to be very good ones.

Still hilarious, Hill! I see 'sleeping on it' didn't help you come up with a better name that would be a catchy acronym.

What I know of libertarians could probably fit in my thimble, but ... what little I do know does incline me to think that's probably more in line with what our country was meant to be ... and what it probably needs. It bothers me no end, the past couple of decades, to suspect that the major parties are actually running our country, for their own purposes--greed, power, etc.

And Willy ... So you're another of so many of us who decided that we could 'do it.' It's a good thing people like you and/or I have no political power. Entire generations of 'welfare families' would have to change their heritage (I'm now seeing three generations of several families whose way of life is how to stay on welfare). Welfare as we know it now is not an encouragement to do better in life, and in fact (opinion only) is holding many of our people back because they have little incentive to work for a better life than being on welfare. It appears to have grown over the decades to become a 'living' of sorts, rather than a way to exist temporarily.

Megal: The light Twinkies are really not that good--the filling's nasty! ;-) Oh, and my old car would be a worse embarrassment for your son than a green mini-van! Believe me. ~blush~ It's probably a good car for a little old lady to drive around and hope none of her friends see her in it. Incidentally, it looks better dirty than it does when it's clean ...

Okay, that wasn't as quick a jump-in as I thought it would be. Sorry.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:16 PM

In the deep south folks say 'R o C' cola.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:18 PM

Didn't get the 'RC cola and a MoonPie' thing until I lived in Kentucky. Convenience stores would have almost an entire shelf dedicated to the oodles of various flavors of MoonPies available. RC Cola products would be the only fountain sodas. Guess that country jingle was true.

Kind of like the redneck joke phenomenon that swept the country a few years back - in that part of Kentucky - they weren't jokes, just plain statements of the facts of life. "If your house is mobile, but your cars aren't", "If you use Confederate flags as drapes", "If you met your wife at a family reunion" - life was stranger than fiction over yonder.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:20 PM

Darn! Wish you were all here ... for some reason this year, everyone must have thought we needed some more fat on our bones ... 2 boxes full of assorted chocolates (one from Fannie Mae), homemade carrot cake, 2 kinds of friendship bread, 2 huge tins of cookies, fudges, divinity, peanut brittle, Moose Munch plus a gallon of egg nog! Guess I'll be gaining what I read was the average weight-gain over the holidays -- 7 pounds!

Good night, all ... Happy snacking!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:25 PM


The last time I had RC and moonpies was as a gift when I turned 25. Not sure why, but they came with a walker too.

Oh and sorry about incorrect way, but Texas and Missouri is as far south as I have lived. Well, since you won't count Southern Calif. as being from the south. ha ha.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:30 PM

Yes, the light twinkies taste like burnt umber, I've put them out for the raccoons.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:30 PM

Night Mom,

You could always share with your lazy non-emailing son living in Cape. :-)

Hope you and Pop are doing well.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:33 PM

Ohhh I'll take dibs on the friendship bread!~ What kind of "little old lady" car do you have? When my grandmother died, my cousin got her 1961 powder puff blue ford galaxy. He wrecked it ;o( I'd give anything for that car today. It was cherry (as they used to say)

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:34 PM

Pups, I'd have brought some of it all over to you when your honorary sister (the family Baker of Good Things--she even brought her own superior mixer, etc., to make cookies here) and we came to Cape Friday...but figured leaving goodies on a doorstep needed a doorstep address first. ~smile~

It's just a 1993 Taurus, Megal ... with a lot of odd glitches ... like the wipers don't go from long pause up to short pause then to steady--never know what they'll do, and on one setting, if you step on the brake the wipers turn off. Also ... if you turn the lights to bright, when you put them back on dim it turns them off. Then you have to find a place to pull off Hiway 34, turn off the engine, and restart it in order to have lights. The AC works good as long as you're driving over 50 mph.

My first car was a 1940-something Plymouth. I loved that car! Remember when the starter and gear shift were on the floor?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:48 PM


This is true. I'll have to work on changeing that. :-)

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:54 PM


The best car I had (honestly) was a 1992 Ford Taurus. It ran perfectly, never leaked oil, and I could get 20m.p.g.out of that car. I never should have traded it.

After my 1968 boat mercury marquis, (with electric raise up antenni) came the 1972 Ford explosion Pinto wagon with 4 or 5 on the floor. I remember it got stuck between gears while I was going up snake hill. Good backing and good luck kept me from going in a ditch.

Now...when can I pick up my friendship bread. LOL ;o)

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:58 PM

On a side note, I've just experienced personal tragedy. I feel I've another case of bronchitis coming on me, and I just opened the door and it's freezing outside. Suddenly...(hold on to your britches)...I had the sudden urge to move to Florida!

Yes! Yours truly (the lover of snow and cold weather) has thought of moving to Florida. Good Grief! Am I getting old??

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 10:04 PM

Oh man, you thought the anti-smokers, were bad before,,,,, wait till they read this....


-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 10:13 PM

Oh god I can hear them now. I wonder how long it will be before there is a lawsuit claiming 'third hand' smoke gave me cancer?????

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 10:16 PM


-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 10:22 PM

Careful Rick. You might have just given rise to a new study of 'fourth hand' smoke. Just seeing it can be dangerous to others. hehe

Ok, tired and cranky this evening. My appologies. Signing off.

Be safe out there!!

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 11:37 PM

I'd also like to address the 2012 end times predictions. The date is significant for many reasons, but the biggest is that so many things culminate on that date.

The winter solstice

Completion of an 11 year solar cycle

Galactic alignment

Completion of the precession of the equinoxes

The mayan calendar end date

Time Wave Zero end date

The I-Ching correlation

These are only a few, not to mention other prophecies and other predictions.

Does any of this mean that something significant is going to happen? All things considered, I have trouble believing that something WONT happen. The question is what exactly.

I will tell you one thing I can be sure of WILL happen, though. We will continue to talk about it for a VERY long time (asuming we are still here).

-- Posted by komickaze on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 12:14 PM

Forgot to add...


-- Posted by komickaze on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 12:15 PM

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