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Speak Out 12/21/08

Sunday, December 21, 2008

Mistreated president

I THINK the Iraqi shoe thrower should be jailed and fined. All those protesters who were in the street could pitch in and help if they want to pay the fine. But I don't think our president should be mistreated and have a shoe thrown at him. It's just not called for.

Clearing the ice

I WANTED to commend the Cape Girardeau street and road team. As usual, they have kept us all safe with their hard work. I would also like to thank the maintenance and caregivers of the parking lots and walkways. People have to be coming in and out, and crews have been working hard at making those areas as safe as possible as well. We want to thank you.

Important job

I WANT to thank the man who gave up his 13-year job as a concrete mixer driver after being laid off last summer. I thank him for swallowing his pride and finding joy on the open road and meeting commercial as well as residential clients and always having a doggy biscuit in his pocket for his four-legged clients. I thank him for bringing home better pay and outstanding benefits and making our lives better. I'm thankful that he comes home safely every day after working with a trash truck and dangerous blade and heavy containers even if he has to head straight for the shower after being slopped by the trash. You provide a service no human would want to be without, and I'm so proud of you, Sam.

No voting test

I RESENT someone like Michael Jensen who thinks it's OK to take someone's right away by saying they shouldn't be allowed to vote and there should be a test for voters. No, there shouldn't. There are certain God-given rights. One of them is our right to vote that's been fought for. It doesn't say much about our public school system. Most voters went through the public school system, and they can't mark a ballot? I get tired of people saying there should be a test for this and that.

Mistreated animals

I JUST heard that police have arrested the person who poisoned that poor dog last month. I want to thank God that the police did something about it. That's great for the Cape Girardeau Police Department. I live in Jackson and have animals myself. To think that somebody would cruelly and viciously hurt an animal like that and take matters into their own hands is appalling. This should not be tolerated. I hope other people think about this before they cruelly mistreat animals.

Seasonal good cheer

WHY DURING December does everyone gets a good dose of religion and then, during the other 11 months of the year, treat their fellow man like crap? Please enlighten me.

Give up the raises

WE'RE LOSING our jobs and homes. City and county employees should all forgo their raises out of courtesy and respect until we all get back on our feet.

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Give up the raises:

1. I don't work for the City or County.

2. So because you are loosing your home, others should not get a raise that might help them keep theirs??

3. Would you forgo a raise because your neighbor didn't get one? Highly doubtful.

4. Reguardless of what you might be thinking, City and County workers not getting a raise will not keep your taxes from goin up.

5. Why should others suffer because you might be going through a rough patch? Is it cause misery loves company??

6. I know that loosing your job and home was not on you plans for the future, and my condolences for that.

7. You opinion is no less valid then mine. I just happen to disagree with yours.

Oh and Good Morning everyone!!

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 4:48 AM

morning folks

Mistreated president -- the ol' boy can still duck !!

Important job -- trash service , business is always

picking up....

No voting test -- Michael Jensen who ?? who dat ??

Mistreated animals -- the great dog caper is a wrap

Seasonal good cheer -- 'cause it's Christmas dumb *** !!

Give up the raises -- like the taxes will stop ...right...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 7:53 AM

Congratulations Sam, good to read such an uplifting story on Speak-Out. At least twice a year I meet our Garbage men(3) in the alley with a check in an envelope and want to buy their lunch or whatever. It's a thankless job and I salute everyone of you.

-- Posted by changedname on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 8:23 AM

Misstreated president

I think the the St Louis cardinals should talk to the shoe thrower. They are needing some good pitchers.

-- Posted by newman90 on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 8:47 AM


-- Posted by jason37. on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 9:41 AM

Seasonal good cheer: I'm an old man but still haven't met everyone. I have ran into very few, if any that treated me like crap in all those years. Cheer up and enjoy the holidays.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 10:01 AM

...yeah , happy holidaze !!

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 10:55 AM

Give up the raises,

You apparently don't know it, but this has happened time and time again. As a state employee I often went several years without a raise of any type while my insurance and cost of living continued to go up. Few in private industry can say this.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 11:03 AM

...in private industry they give you a new title in lieu of a raise..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 11:29 AM


Same in government, new title, more work and longer hours.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 11:37 AM

Mistreated president

I think it should be left up to the Iraqi government. How much different is the way he was treated in Iraq from the way he has been treated in his own country. He has been labeld an idiot, liar, incompetent and a war criminal. What do these actions tell people in other countries; we show no respect for him, so why should you.

Clearing the ice

It’s their job.

Important job

Most jobs are important.

No voting test

Not sure there is a “right” to vote and probably half that do don’t know enough to make an informed choice.

Mistreated animals

No living creature should ever be mistreated.

Seasonal good cheer

It is much easier that way.

Give up the raises

So, city and county employees don’t feel the economic pinch too? What have you been smoking? How about you take your pay raise and donate it to the city, county, state or federal government to demonstrate what you think others should do; I didn’t think so

-- Posted by RA on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 11:40 AM


You are partially correct in not having a right to vote. We do not have a said right to vote for president. This right is designated to the Electoral college, which is supposed to voice the majority opinion of the district they serve. We do have a right to vote for local representation. They were originally supposed to be the voice of the people. The only voices they pay attention to anymore it seems is their own.

-- Posted by "Right"_of_Opinion on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 12:04 PM

"Right" of Opinion,

But is it truly a "right" and from whence does it come? Not questioning, just curious for future reference. Thanks

-- Posted by RA on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 12:16 PM

No voting test;

Voting is not a right, it is a privilege. That's not just my opinion, it's a fact of law that has been ruled on very recently by the U.S. Supreme Court in the decision of Bush v. Gore 2000. Facts don't change just because you happen to not like them.

-- Posted by Data48 on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 12:23 PM


I am still waiting on my pocket constitution for the Heritage Foundation, but I looked at the Bill of Rights and next 10 amendments. The only thing I saw specified was that which I said earlier about voting for the president. I will have to do more research when I have time, to see if it is specified in any later amendment. You may be absolutely correct. Our "right to vote" for any thing may just be an extended privledge. I am certian that is the case for the president though.

-- Posted by "Right"_of_Opinion on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 12:28 PM

Ah, definitive answers. Certain knowledge feels so much better than educated guesses. Thank you Data48.

-- Posted by "Right"_of_Opinion on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 12:30 PM

I don't normally get involved in discussions, but I like to be on firm ground when it relates to "rights" as so many people seem to think we have far more "rights" than we do; right to a job, decent housing, good affordable health care and on and on. While these are all to be desired, they are not "rights". "Rights" should also not be confused with "freedoms"; I'm done.

-- Posted by RA on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 12:40 PM

Hmmm. In my effort to trim down my nearly 1k of daily subscribed unreads in the inbox, for some reason "Hal" insisted I take a look at the article below. Glad I did; kinda interesting, especially for those who like to indulge in the rather futile "debate" about killing babies for convenience or political expediency.

DISCLAIMER: Godless leftist devotees of the Dazi Party of Death (per the Vatican) may want opt out of this exercise to avoid the risk of cinching your skivvies into and even tighter sheepshank. Or worse, ya might get "saved" or somethin'...we can't tolerate that sort of outrageous behavior now, can we?!!

'Other than that, Mrs Lincoln, the play wasn't that bad, so stop complaining and have a Merry Christmas!'

"A Christmas View of Abortion"


-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 12:45 PM

Yup. Voting is NOT a Right. The Constitution has limited what can be used to prevent a person from casting a vote, but has NEVER stated that one has any right to cast a ballot. Race, religion, age (if over 18), gender, or ability to pay a poll tax...all protected classes meaning that no person can not be denied the vote based solely upon those things.

However, there is nothing in the Constitution that prevents keeping people who have no clue what they are voting for from the polls. There is also nothing that would prevent prohibiting anyone receiving any government assistance (welfare, food stamps, etc.) from casting a ballot either.

I would actually enjoy welcome a requirement that said you had to pass a basic civics test...the same one they give to 8th graders...in order to register to vote, and that your voter registration expired at the same interval as your drivers license so you could take care of both at the same time every few years. Make sure people know what's ACTUALLY in the Constitution before they vote for the unconstitutional programs the politicians are using to buy votes.

And speaking of those unconstitutional programs, I would have no problem with the recipients of government aid being barred from casting a ballot. A person on welfare, food stamps, social security, unemployment, etc. should not be able to vote themselves a pay raise at my expense. If they want a pay raise, the way to do it is to ******* their duff and get a job. Nobody has a right to BE happy, but rather the right to PURSUE happiness. If you don't want to pursue it on your own, nobody should be forced to have to work harder in their own pursuit just to make sure you get your government handout.

Used to be that only property owners....people who had a stake in the government...could vote. Why not limit it to just those who pay taxes? I mean ACTUAL tax payers....which doesn't include anyone who gets back all or more of the taxes withheld from their paychecks during the year.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 12:49 PM

As a person that receives Social Security as a small part of my income, I did not vote myself a raise this year. I did not vote, other than for Ron Paul in the Republican primary.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 2:09 PM

I agree that not everyone should be allowed to vote BUT I disagree that those that have worked their whole lives should suddenly lose their voting privilege due to drawing social security. Nor would I hinder those families who are having a hard time now due to the EMPLOYERS poor management or the economic times, such as we are in now. (I know too many that did NOT make poor choices but the choices of others have determined their coarses anyway.)

After hearing the survey in which those few in the clips didn't even know who was President-elect Obama's running mate or any of the issues, it proved that there should be some kind of limits. Unfortunately, there will never be a fair way to limit this privilege in our society. Some even have had no problem with non-Americans voting, which I would have to assume is against the law. (I am not writing with facts in hand, only my own opinion.) Society is not going to allow, nor will politicians vote for, limits on voting. Didn't one politician, who shall remain nameless, go to Florida or encourage the registering of felons?

Rights and Privileges of this country have been so entwined and abused that to take away a privilege is seen as taking away a right. (Driving a car is a priviledge and yet many see it as a right.) Many of the rights added now are taking away from the rights of others. Special classes or categories of people are being added to law to give them added rights and privileges while limiting anyone that doesn't fall within those catagories.

My true feeling? Only those that own property should have the right to determine what happens. That does not include those from foreign countries that have not given up their birthrights there to become Americans. I do not like the idea of my country's future being determined by the irresponsible transients that move in and out within a couple of months because of irresponsibility or illegal activity.

-- Posted by KingsKid on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 3:33 PM

I have no problem with "not voting". I would just as soon stay home and save the gas. In the presidential election, the Democrats and Republicans gave me choices that did not suit me.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 3:45 PM

fxpwt, thank you for that information on the energy-improvement tax credit. Our furnace/AC unit has been repaired 3-4 times this past year, so it's definitely time for a replacement. AND I told Pops that it's time to insulate the attic in this old house, which has the bare minimum right now. Our 'storm windows' consist of that film you stick on and heat up with a hair dryer! These old 1940's houses that no one had improved much over the years ... sigh ... I'll check the link you included to try and understand it all. May make a difference in the tax bill, I guess?

**No Voting Test**

Not sure voting is a 'God-given right.' Am pretty sure that some voters should perhaps stay at home on election days, though. ~wink~ The idea of officials trying to ascertain how a person 'meant to vote' comes to mind.

dixietrucker ... Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, isn't it? Not sure about 'testing' before having the 'right' to vote, but do know it somewhat bothers me that someone like my mother is actually casting her vote as well as the vote of my mentally-5-year-old brother. Seems like that's sort of allowing more than one vote per person?

Very good statement which covers a lot of areas, KingsKid: "Many of the rights added now are taking away from the rights of others."

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 4:22 PM


Will you be isulating it yourself, or hiring a contractor. The reason I ask is I used to do insulation, and could give you some do's and don'ts if your interested.

-- Posted by "Right"_of_Opinion on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 4:45 PM

Mistreated president: LOL!!

Clearing the ice: Let's giv'em a raise.

Important job: This post is a bit confusing, but I think I get the just of it.

No voting test: Michael Jensen is a blinkard "little" prat that doesn't have the sense of a Cow.

Mistreated animals: I still want to hear from the accused as to "why" he did it.

Seasonal good cheer: Was that seasonal good cheer on Black Friday when the Walmart worker got trampled to death? People treat their fellow man like "crap" 24/7/365 now. There IS no reprieve...even during the holidays.

Give up the raises: They took our jobs! (LOL! I just had to say that!)

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 4:54 PM


You post is dangerously treading on class segration. Such posts or thoughts would have been highly popular for folks who want to be ruled by a Monarch. Property owners with voting rights only?? LOL, yes...let's set American back 200-300 years. Maybe we can foreclose on more houses and dwindle down the voting rights to about 12% (the exact same number of the "supposed" extreme wealthy.)

Maybe those who have "more acres" should be able to cast multiple votes. I'm for that. Let's see...your vote would be one...and I could cast a vote for each acre I own. Great idea! Let's go for it!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 5:07 PM

**Give Up the Raises**

That was a very good and thoughtful reply, Pups! Why should anyone with a job give up a raise if their employer could afford to give it? People receiving raises might spend more money, which might presumably help the economy?

**Seasonal Good Cheer**

Actually ... at least in the shopping arenas ... the 'cheer' always seems rather diminished during this season as stressed-out, weary adults & children try to keep Christmas as commercial as possible.

Hey, thanks a lot, "Right"! I'll be doing the insulating myself. Never insulated in an attic, so not real sure where to 'start.' There is some blown-in insulation under the eaves, but I want to eventually finish the attic for an extra room--which would mean insulating under the roof as well as behind the walls that will go up.

Anyone hear from Twiggy, that she made the trip up here okay?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 5:55 PM

From Peter G. Peterson:"According to recent calculations by the Peter G. Peterson Foundation, the sum of America's debts and other financial commitments is about to exceed the collective net worth of its citizens. That means that for the first time in our history, we'll owe more money than all of us have combined."

The FED and the government want you to spend even more and increase your debts. Of course this correction is because of spending beyond our means. But the government knows best.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 6:32 PM


Since you are going to finish your attic I would go with batts. They are more cost effective and MUCH easier to install. I'm assuming your trusses under the roof are 2 x 6's. I would get R-19 faced for that. Just measure the width you will need, more than likely your trussed are on either 24 or 16 in. centers. All you'll have to do is unroll it and staple the paper to the trusses. Always cut your batts to fit, but try not to leave any space between the batt and the truss. If you have to mash the sides a bit to get it in its ok, but if you over stuff a batt into a space that is too small, you are loosing your insulative quality. Do the same for your walls except use R-13 faced, if your using 2 x 4's for your walls. The facing will help keep any moisture from getting to your drywall. If you have to cut any of your batts use the excess to either fill another small space or to stuff empty voids. The fluffier the batt, the better it will insulate. I hope this helps. If you have any other questions I'm usually on here most of the day, every Sun. Let me know how it goes. Good Luck!!

-- Posted by "Right"_of_Opinion on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 6:38 PM


Feeling a little wordy today, so hang on :-)~

Three words of caution about the tax credits - be sure that what you do qualifies, understand the caps and limits for the various categories, and be sure that net money spent to gain the credit will be paid back through the energy savings within an acceptable timeframe. Unless one has uncharacteristically high environmental or other non-financial motivations, the general goal here is to hang onto the mostest money possible over a given period.

One potential path-forward to always at least consider is to 'do nothing' - meaning that in some cases and for some timeframes, it may be entirely possible that the net money paid out by doing nothing and continuing to pay the current operating costs could be less than the net money paid out by doing something that results in lower operating costs. Some things, such as adding insulation, are generally financial slam-dunks in favor of doing so.

In general, it is not cost-effective to replace equipment unless it has failed, it is near the normal life expectancy, or it is having unacceptable annual maintenance costs - no matter how much more efficient the newer stuff is. One example is refrigerators - mine is 10 years old, a similar offering today is 40% more efficient - yet the $28 per year expected savings is not enough to justify replacing a unit that I anticipate getting at least 5-10 more years of service from.

The goal for many is to purchase a unit with the lowest upfront expense. A better, albeit much more complicated, way is to consider the purchase and installation prices of various efficiency offerings as well as the expected operating cost differences throughout the anticipated lives of the new units. If you don't yet have a headache, you'll certainly have one after plugging-and-chugging through this type of analysis. But I figure aspirin is cheap as compared to the potential savings here. :-)~

Consider that for a heating unit - any significant savings occur only during about a 3 month period - December through February. Roughly the same for an air-conditioning unit, only for the months of June - August.

One suggestion is to take a look at your utility bills from April/May and September/October - typically the months with the lowest HVAC demand. The average of these bills can be roughly considered to be the average usage for daily activities - showers, laundry, cooking, lighting, etc. So if your peak heating bill was $250, and your April/September bill average was $70, then it can be crudely assumed that $180 was spent for climate control in this peak month. For those on the Ameren system - can set up an online account quite easily, which will give access to the last two years' bills and energy usage. (Standard disclaimer - I do not work for Ameren nor any other utility company).

If a standard-efficiency heating unit were installed that claimed to use 90% of the gas or electric of the current unit - looking at saving about $18 per month, or perhaps $60 per year. Given similar conditions for the cooling side - looking at maybe a savings of $120 or so per year for a combination HVAC unit.

If a high-efficiency heating unit were installed that claimed to use only 75% of the gas or electric of the current unit - looking at saving about $45 per month, or perhaps $150 per year. A similar look at the cooling side might yield a similar amount - for a total savings of $300 or so per year, or $180 per year more than the standard efficiency.

So, one question would be how long would it take to show a total savings on the utility bills that offset any net premiums paid for the tax credit-compliant higher efficiency unit as compared to a standard efficiency unit? Is this crossover point within the expected lifetime of the units, and within an acceptable timeframe for the purchaser?

One point here is that even the standard efficiency units of today are significantly more efficient than similar models even only 5-10 years old. The tax-credit compliant unit could potentially be the higher overall cost unit under certain conditions.

IMO, energy efficiency should be encouraged for its many benefits - lower carbon footprints, less demand for new powerplants, less wasteful, higher levels of productivity or creature-comfort per energy unit, and so on - but the biggest enticement will likely always be related to the many (but certainly not all) opportunities where energy efficiency activities just plain flat-out cost less in the long run! The trick is not to go overboard on this efficiency kick, spending more upfront than one can hope to ever get back. :-)

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 7:09 PM


-- Posted by ..Rick on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 7:15 PM

Why is it lawmakers can't look at simple numbers like that, and take a step back to examine what the heck they are doing. When you get to a point when not even a 100% tax on your citizens will repay your debt, things have gone a bit overboard. (I think I confused myself in the way I stated that, but you'll get the gist.)

-- Posted by "Right"_of_Opinion on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 7:30 PM

Willy Makit: I haven't been in debt for years, but almost went into debt to buy a new vehicle. Luckily I remembered that the county raised taxes .5 percent for a library. I hated that tax and swore that I wouldn't purchase anything in the county that I didn't have to as long as that tax was there. My two vehicles are good enough.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 7:35 PM

Hilleco, that is scary, even to someone like me! Don't know about government stuff, but if Pops & I owed more money than we are 'worth' ... I'd think we should be in an asylum somewhere...figuratively speaking.

Oh, and same here ... thought this fall would be a good time to trade in my poor old car (on a used one), but ... wouldn't do it where the sales tax is about the highest in the state (country?). Maybe next year, somewhere. Also the reason the new W/D was purchased elsewhere.

Aw, "Right", that was SO sweet of you! I've printed out your suggestions ... It's been a looong time since I insulated anything, and do recall I never much liked that part of 'construction,' but ... Guess I still think I have the energy and strength and will-power to at least try to do things that need doing. Did not realize that overstuffing the batt was not good, so thanks especially for that tip--which when I think about it, makes sense.

I understood your comment perfectly about taxes versus debt.

That was a little 'wordy,' fxpwt. ~grinning~ But invaluable information, so that's okay with me. As for the HVAC system, suspect it's probably at least 30+ years old & can't get replacement parts for it anymore--last repair had to be 'jerry-rigged.' Might not see much 'real' savings per cost on a new unit (over our lifetime anyway), but thinking it's just a matter of time before our unit dies completely. Your input certainly will help in choosing a new unit, though ... and not going completely overboard thinking we'll save a ton on utility costs by purchasing a unit that won't actually save as much compared to the cost of it. Helps, too, that I do know what our gas and our electric bills average, I guess. Thanks!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 7:44 PM

Willy Makeit:

Can you explain to me how these illegal aliens are getting their government benifits. When my now wife went on maternity leave she got temporary Medicaid, and had to produce all kinds of documentation, to receive it.(We were not married yet :( so she was not on my insurance at the time.) Are they getting fake identification or are they just being handed everything no questions asked. This has been puzzling me for quite some time.

-- Posted by "Right"_of_Opinion on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 7:45 PM

The only down side to buying a car is, if you have a trade in, I imagine they are giving bottom dollar for them as well. Especially if it's a gas hog.

-- Posted by "Right"_of_Opinion on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 8:06 PM

I'm done for the day. I hope all of you have a Merry Christmas or Happy Holiday! Stay warm, we'll talk to you next Sunday.

-- Posted by "Right"_of_Opinion on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 8:13 PM

GurusMom: You and I live in the same county. They tax the heck out of us, and this county is controlled by Republicans. Maybe I should sell my farm and go live in the desert like my mother-in-law.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 8:17 PM

Right: You also

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 8:19 PM

Always wonder that myself ... how do illegals enroll their children in school (and even in college), receive food stamps and health care,

etc.? You only have to give your SS number, etc., if you're an American citizen?

OMG, Have_Wheels ... that was TOO funny ...! But listen, putting up insulation isn't so hard on your knees ... it's getting up and down the ladder ... so you could come over & cut the insulation & hand it to me on the ladder, maybe. ~laughing~

Wow, Willy ... a 35% decrease in my gas/electric bills would certainly thrill me! And maybe I will consider looking at used cars, in view of what you said. Probably do just as well selling the old one privately, rather than trading it in. Probably isn't worth more than a few hundred anyway, even with the reconditioned motor put in it a year ago.

In case you're still here, "Right" ... Have a wonderful Christmas!

No kidding, Hilleco: No idea where this county stands as far as economically, but seems like it's pretty poor ... add that to local taxes, and not much in the way of jobs without driving 60+ miles a day ... and lot of folks are barely hanging on. I was stunned, actually, that 'we' voted in the Jetton-clone this year. Dirty campaigns as hers seemed to be disgust me no end. Guess we're stuck here, though, aren't we?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 8:51 PM

In the spirit of too much news, or too much time on my hands - got to looking at the heating-degree-days for December (actually the December billing cycle period for the local utility) - basically, a measure of the difference between the average daily temperature and 65 degreesF. 65degreesF is the assumed switchover point between heating and air-conditioning demand, or essentially where it is assumed minimal climate control would be necessary.

At any rate - heads up! Barring any warming trends or changes in the days-per-billing-cycle, the forecast is for some higher-than-expected utility bills, with some accompanying griping and complaining, followed by accusations of gouging and profiteering by the big bad utility companies, along with the anticipated follow-up demands of 'somebody needs to do something'.

Dec 2008(to date)_ -_ 31.0

Dec 2007_-_ 27.9

Dec 2006_-_ 23.2

Dec 2005_-_29.0

Dec 2004_-_28.5

Dec 2003_-_25.9

Dec 2002_-_28.2

Dec 2001_-_28.7

Dec 2000_-_41.3

Also, the short-term 24-hour forecast is for darkness that will extend throughout our coverage area. This will continue throughout the overnight hours with a high probability of light beginning in the east, passing over our area throughout the day tomorrow, and leaving the westernmost areas of the region sometime tomorrow afternoon. Stay tuned for the latest developments. :-)~

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 9:15 PM

I don't know what is meant in some of these posts by "city employees should give up their raises". I guess you haven't been paying attention to the news, but City of Cape emplyees are not getting any raises except for the Police. When this news came out some of you saying City employees should give up their raises were also saying you supported the Police raises. Which should it be?

Also, why is it when the Police catch a criminal or solve a crime everyone falls all over themselves to praise and glorify the Police and yet when the street crews work such treacherous conditions trying to keep roads safe for eveyone to travel so they can keep the businesses in town open and everyone can still get their Christmas shopping done you see comments like "it's their job". It's just as much their job as it is for the Police to arrest a shooter and as it is for a firefighter to put out a fire or make a rescue in an accident.

Yes, it is their job. But witout them doing their job, which obviously is completely thankless, the City would virtually shut down. Think about how that might effect the economy. I would also suggest that those of you who have no respect for these road crew people, try spending just 1 hour with them to see how difficult their job is in these conditions. Most of the people in this City don't deserve the services provided by the true heroes of this City.

-- Posted by ) on Mon, Dec 22, 2008, at 12:16 AM

Hey Holier Than Thou

I'm not arguing about the raises or city budget. Believe me I understand the situation and had no problem with not getting a raise.

btw - Why didn't you make your "it's their job" comment on Saturday when someone commended the Police for doing their job? That's the hypocrisy I was addressing.

-- Posted by ) on Mon, Dec 22, 2008, at 8:44 AM

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