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Speak Out 12/6/08

Saturday, December 6, 2008

Not much change

WHEN BARACK Obama was running for president, all you heard was change, change, change. George Wallace said in 1968, "Ain't a dime's worth of difference between the Democrats and Republicans." How true.

Taking control

THE COMMENT that people go to the movies when times are tough doesn't show that there's a shortage of funds. That shows there's a matter of priorities. If people have money to go to movies, they have money for the things they really need in life. People need to shape up their own lives instead of wanting someone else to help shape them up. They need to be more accountable for their own actions.

Speeding teachers

I WISH the Jackson police would patrol around Jackson Junior High School and West Lane Elementary School in the mornings when the teachers are arriving. I go to work at a time that a lot of the teachers are going to the junior high. It's ridiculous how they ignore the speed zones. One of the teachers passed me one morning, and I was going the speed limit.

Out of the past

I'VE BEEN hearing a lot of people talk about Barack Obama getting a lot of the Hillary Clinton people that were in her campaign. The reason why he's doing this is because he never had a plan. He's getting people from the past. So this is the change he was talking about.

Great football team

CONGRATULATIONS to the Jackson football boys. It was great of them to be able to go as far as they went for the playoffs. Even though they didn't make it to the state championship, we are proud of them. Way to go, boys.

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good morning Me'Lange

Speeding teachers...i'm wondering how the poster knew

all of these folks were teachers..one of them could

have been me !!

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 8:22 AM

No not much today , speeding teachers ?

Near Jefferson School I'm sure its 50/50 teachers

vs parents speeding while many students are trying to walk safely to school, suprised none have been hit.

-- Posted by rockman54 on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 8:46 AM

Not much change/ Out of the past

Don't blame me, I didn't vote for him!

If you want real change have a look at something other than the Demopublicans. I find it hillarious that many that voted for this clown are finding out that he is NOT the Messiah they thought he was. Perhaps they are finally pulling the wool from over their eyes. Problem is, its too late. We all must live with our mistakes and hope we learn from them. I have a new t-shirt that says, "Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Him".

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 9:29 AM

Not much change: OMG! Than man isn't even in office yet. I actually think he has made change. Can we remember when the last time a "presidential elect" was so active in current economic issues?

Taking control: Friend...you don't know "anything" about the great depression...do you? More money was spent on drinking and movies during those times. Actually, I hope we do get into another depression. Some people need a big dose of reality, and what it's like to suffer economically.

Speeding teachers: They do that in Cape too.

Out of the past: Whinge!

Great football team: One day...Cape Central will once again dominate!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 9:40 AM

Speeding Teachers

Geez, why pick on the Teachers?

It aint speeding unless you get caught!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 9:53 AM

Good morning,

No not much to comment on. My wife speeds and she is not even a teacher and if the police start giving tickets everyone will be complaining; no win situation.

Obama, I really don't much care either, I didn't vote for him, but if McCain had won I am sure we could have also found something to complain about too; no win situation.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 9:56 AM


Where can I find this article about participation in the tutoring program? My granddaughter is being tutored at the Middle School.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 9:59 AM

Me'lange, I agree with you about the 1 in 10. Everyone I talk to is living paycheck to paycheck. Amazingly, that's folks making $100,000 as well as folks making minimum wage. There is no doubt in my mind that 1 out of 10 folks are either late on their mortgage or already in foreclosure.

Just look at all the layoffs during November and December (December not being over). What a shame these companies couldn't have waited until January. While anytime is a bad time to be laid-off, I couldn't imagine the heart break of being laid off during the holidays. It's really a sad, sad situation if you think about it. I thank my lucky stars that even with my wife's current health situation, we're still able to manage above water and pay all the bills.

I plan on doing at least one good deed this holiday season, and personally helping out one of these families who are not as fortunate as I. While I realize that some don't agree with charity in this forum, I will suggest...that it is needed more than ever this year. Who knows...next year we could all be living in a shanty and fighting for our lives.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 10:02 AM

I doubt there are many in here who do not believe in personal charity. Many who oppose government "handouts" may be very generous with their own funds. The most rewarding Christmas holidays my children have are those they remember helping other families and I highly recommend it.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 10:17 AM


Tis better to give one on one to folks you know. I have a problem with the 'lists' provided of needy people usually provided by social workers and such. A needy person or family usually turns up on several charity drives therefore receiving bucoos of gifts while other needy folks are left out.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 10:22 AM

Re: speeding teachers

One consideration would be just how accurate is this person's speedometer to be judging others with certainty? Many speedos tend to read 'fast' with the stock set-up, that is, a higher speed reading than actually being travelled. If this were the case here, then by this person 'doing the speed limit', he/she might actually be going slower than the true limit.

On the other hand, if the observed car just about s*u*c*ked the paint off as it went by - pretty much beyond any question of speedo error.

Just glad to see someone motivated and in a hurry to get to work :-)~


Re: layoffs

Suggest that one possibility for the jump in layoffs during the holiday season is that this is also the end of the fiscal year for many businesses, who start the new year with new budgets and revised business outlooks. Still a tough go for those personally affected.


Re: tutoring (from yesterday)

Suggest one possibility to explore would be to require all students below 'C' level to have mandatory enrollment in these after-school programs. For those students who "won't" learn, perhaps would serve as added incentive to get with the program if the student knew his/her school day was fixin' to get longer. For those who truly have learning issues and are needing additional help, would take the decision, choice, and uncertainty away. If one is below 'C' level, or whatever defined level, then this becomes your standard school day.

Another suggestion would be to place a formal memo or note, perhaps on blazing DayGlo orange paper, in the student's permanent record that such tutoring was made available and was subsequently declined through refusal or non-response. Covering the bases in case the student or some government oversight entity decides to make later claims that 'the system' didn't do enough.

Just suggestions, perhaps entirely unfeasible in this day of political correctness and discrimination claims - but figure that one is never truly stuck until one runs out of ideas, no matter how extreme they appear at first.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 10:40 AM


Thanks for mentioning that. It is my intention to be charitable to a family I know who both just lost their jobs.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 11:00 AM

Operation Santa Claus

One day about two weeks before Christmas in the late seventies a DJ on a popular radio station said that it was a shame folks weren't more involved with giving. During the discussion with callers many said it was not personal enough.

So on the spur of the moment he invited callers to tell him of a real need and callers to tell him if they could provide. I remember one of the first callers was a man who told of a family in the neighborhood who couldn't afford to get their stove fixed and were cooking on a hot plate thus they could not cook Christmas dinner. A few minutes later a man called to say he was qualified and could fix their stove. Other calls came in to say they had a working stove they were not using and could give it to the family. Another was a woman who called to say someone she knew needed clothes for a newborn who was expected around Christmas. Several women called in saying that they could give perfectly nice layettes for the baby. Another called to say that a family had purchased gifts and put them under the tree. They were stolen and they could not afford to replace them. A caller said he would go to the store and buy every replacement or better if they wished. Many called to say they could provide a truck and deliver to the families.

Well, the entire thing snowballed and soon the station's phone lines were flooded. Can you believe that AT&T came in and set up more phone lines for free. And volunteers came in to take calls and do the match-ups. Finally, the station just quit their usual line up of programs and stayed with Operation Santa Claus till Christmas Eve.

Oh, I must not forget to say that, of course, there were those who tried to get something when they were not really needy. Folks doing the deliveries would just

turn around and come back if they suspected this.

Now, this is what I call real charity from heart to heart.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 11:16 AM


I’ll offer a couple of thoughts on private tutoring vs. in-house. To be honest, it doesn’t matter much to me where they get extra help, if it helps. First, in my area, most if not all of the staff at the private tutoring business are teachers who teach in the district (teachers often take on part-time jobs). Second, teachers at our schools who are willing to work extra hours with children who have difficulties, are not going to be your “helplessness-type” (I don’t care what they pay), but are those who truly feel they can help these kids learn. The main issue at both places is numbers. At the private business, numbers of teacher/student is very low and if schools (in the after-school tutoring program there) keep their numbers at the same level, they will have more success too. And it probably is cost-saving to the district, unless they pay a higher rate than the tutoring business (they won’t).

It takes a great deal of time and effort to overcome the negatives and motivate students if they have gone over to the other side (parents have tremendous power whether they realize it or not). I don’t mean it can’t be done, but hope all realize it is a slow process to turn it around and maintain. It has to continue year to year and there has to be a personal connection with these kids in particular and we all know the position that puts teachers in (Too much, too little and let’s not forget - too creepy). And much like an addict who slips back if not monitored, the down-slide is easy and rapid. All of this is very difficult, because teachers change year to year and different personalities are involved and as kids get older they develop techniques to become invisible (if they want to be). Just think how hard it is for someone to change your mind or get you to do something you don't WANT to do...what does it take?

We can’t stop and we can’t give up (and we don’t want to), but we have to realize the challenges being faced and the difficulties of the task. Try pushing a rock up a mountain with your nose.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 11:22 AM

I forgot to mention that Operation Santa Claus was in Kansas City, Mo but it could happen here.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 11:24 AM


Well, my granddaughter is one of the nineteen students in Middle School taking the tutoring as she needs help in math. She takes it at the school and rides another bus home. My daughter did not receive any suggestion from the school that she take it but she called and requested the tutoring anyway.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 11:33 AM


Our school has had the tutoring program for a few years now and the way they do it is any child below a C is sent a notice home to participate in the Math tutoring and any chid not meeting AR goals or struggling with reading grade level for reading. It is not just for the ones failing but any who could benefit in any way. The problem here is it is a joke, one adult for 30 kids isn't allowing much help. I hope it goes better for Cape than it did here.


Operation Santa great idea if only it would happen.

Every year at Christmas we adopt a local family that we think needs the extra help. The kids get involved as well, they take their allowance and buy a gift for the family as well. Teaching them about compassion for others is one of te best gifts they could get and hopefully they will carry it on into their adult lives.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 11:45 AM

P.S. Me’Lange, I want to be clear that this is not directed at you, but you might have noticed few teachers post or quit after a short while. I think it has something to do with killing the messenger. LOL

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 11:46 AM


I like your suggestion!

Would love to pay my sons property taxes however he lives in N.Illinois near Dekalb.He owns a small house on 1/4 acre. His property taxes are three thousand dollars a year.That leaves my help out. I might be able to pay his light bill though!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 11:47 AM

does anyone know Mrs.Claus first name ?

Santa's first name is Santa , as in Santa Claus ...

but what is Mrs.Claus given name ? ...i've never

heard before....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 11:56 AM


Years ago my parents decided to do something special for us at the holidays so now my brothers, sisters and I all get a gift card for groceries. Doesn't soun like a nice gift but it comes in handier than anything else and we all love it.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 11:58 AM


Well, I don't really know the answer to the tutoring. She stays at the school for an hour and comes on on the bus provided. It was my understanding that Sylvan tutored students were to provide their own transport.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 12:02 PM

Speeding teachers

And people, we do all sorts of things regular people do (p00p, p and talk trash), but "when we get behind closed doors...". Yeah baby!

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 12:03 PM


Mrs Clause does not need a first name. She uses the formal and old fashioned form of being addressed as Mrs Santa Claus. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 12:10 PM

Me'Lange, I knew it was a bit of a risk...but we also have a sense of hunor. LOL

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 12:19 PM


Not sure what you tach but you have to have a sense of humor. I know some of the kids in my sons class, includin him, would be enough to turn me off of teaching. But I don't know what would be worse the kid or the parents. Glad you do it, someone has to but I couldn't in a million years.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 12:22 PM

Me’Lange, you wrote, “I believe the "private" tutoring is designed to be one-on-one? v. the "in house" tutoring is group? Right?”

That’s why I had written earlier:

“The main issue at both places is numbers. At the private business, numbers of teacher/student is very low and if schools (in the after-school tutoring program there) keep their numbers at the same level, they will have more success too.”

Honestly, at the private, I didn’t know if was all one-on-one or if they monitor more than one student at a time, so I called them today. They have up to 3 students together, but usually limit it to 2 depending on grade level and need. If schools did the same for these struggling students (and it would be very costly), I believe you’d see similar results. IMHO

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 12:43 PM

My daughter is a teacher and it is one of the most difficult jobs you can imagine if done properly. Parents complain about their children having a lot of home work, but I will match what she brings home to anyone. I still tease her about her summers off, but wouldn't do what she does for any amount of money; my hat is off to them.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 12:50 PM

Just for you Broomstick,

Not much change

Yep, when I need insight into any political situation, I look to the wisdom of George Wallace…

Taking control

I wish I was smart like you.

Speeding teachers

Oh good grief, mind your own business, if they are dangerous take their numbers call the police and file a complaint.

Out of the past

I'm sure not going to complain about him not following through with his “ideas”.

-- Posted by RA on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 1:20 PM

take responsibility

I'll take a shot at this. Family of 4 takes vacations to Florida every year. Due to economy decide to take trip to St. Louis and go to movies.

Family of 4 usually goes to St. Louis and the Zoo, Six Flags etc. every year. Due to poor economy will only go to one and maybe take in more movies.

Family of four goes to the movies reularly. Due to economy they get free kids movies at Family Video.

Family of 4 who regualarly get the free kids movies from Family Video due to the economy have taken their audio/video equipment to Plaza Pawn to help pay rent.

Family of four who have pawned all their valuables are standing in line at the food pantries.

This is classic trickle down economics!

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 1:41 PM

Red, many people think teachers teach so they can have summer break, but in truth, they CAN teach because they have a summer break. Year-round and I couldn’t do it. It takes me a full month of quiet reflection in the garden just to clear my head and then another month to get ready for the new school year. LOL, but I’m not kidding. BTW - teachers in my district offically started back during the 1st week of August this year.

We do have an extended (2-week) WINTER break and you would think that would satisfy parents needs/wants, but you'd be wrong. One of my students told me this week that they (her family) are leaving earlier. As this is the end of the quarter, many teachers have tests or finals...and grades due before we come back.

P.S. I'll give hers early instead of later (because experience demands it), but if she does poorly, does it reflect badly on her or me...or her parents? Guess who will get the blame? LOL

P.S.S. Now don't get me wrong, I like my job, I like my students and I like (most of) my parents. semoangel - I'd like you!

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 1:49 PM


In the film Fred Clause, Santa's wife's name is Annette. In the child's classic, "Santa Clause is coming to town" Santa marries the girl named Jennifer.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 1:55 PM

Babe has a good point though. In the child's classic "The Year without a Santa Clause" Shirley Booth is voiced as Mrs. Santa.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 1:57 PM

Santa Claus wife's first name?

Well, I just happened to be at a "business" meeting with some associates of mine last night in Austin at a gentleman's club, named the Yellow Rose.

There was a young lady on the stage, who for a short while at least, was wearing a Santa inspired outfit and black stiletto boots. She claimed that her name was "Candy," so I suppose that first name would work as well as any for Mrs. Claus.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 1:57 PM

I also found this tidbit of information.

There doesn't seem to be a definitive answer. However, there are a few possibilities...

According to the Christmas special "Santa Claus is Comin' to Town," her name is Jessica, and she's a schoolteacher in Sombertown. SantaClaus.com goes a step further, claiming her middle name is Mary. But are those "official" sources?

Other than the good-humored reply that her first name is "Mrs.," there's very little evidence or agreement on what her mama actually named her. In fact, this article from "Santa Land" acknowledges that nobody (not even Santa himself) seems to know her first name.

We do know that Mrs. Claus first appeared in 1890, in a book of poetry called "Sunshine and Other Verses for Children." The book's author, Katherine Lee Bates, also wrote the words to the song "America the Beautiful."

It took a song, performed by George Melachrino and his Orchestra in 1954 and Nat King Cole in 1956, to launch Mrs. Claus into popular consciousness. And considering Santa's workload, it's a good thing he has someone looking after him.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 1:59 PM


LOL! In that case, her name could be Virginia Clause, they called her Virgin for short...but not for long. Eww...bad joke...sorry.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 2:04 PM

Ignatius Thistlewhite. Now that's a name to remember.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 2:05 PM


That sounds like my daughter’s situation too. I don’t know what it is like where you teach, but the pay is not really all that high and the insurance is usually pretty expensive.

My daughter also loves her job and would do nothing else as she has had the opportunity to make more money in another occupation and choose to stay with teaching.

I love kids, but I could not be a teacher and I am pretty sure I would eventually be caught strangling some parent, but no not Semoangel.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 2:08 PM


I am wondering how the economy is affecting those who are still receiving the same salary/commissions. Sure, prices on goods have gone up but that is a constant variable. I would say that the only factor to cancel a vacation to Florida would have been high gas prices. Of course, if one is without a job, it is foolish to engage in any entertainment that is not free.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 2:14 PM

I haven't seen my favorite yet....The Christmas Story.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 2:21 PM

A couple of my favorite Christmas movies:

"The Ref." with Dennis Leary, Kevin Spacey, and Judy Davis.

And of course who can leave out the warm and fuzzy Christmas movie "Gremlins."

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 2:33 PM

Ah, Red ... 8:56 am ... Brilliant. You have such a great grasp of human nature. Okay, add 9:17 comments, too.

I have chosen one family to help this season ... Not the 'most-needy,' but a working family who doesn't complain publicly, whose house payments & utilities take priority over other spending, who don't blame anyone else for their present 'tight' situation. Guess my thoughts are to try to help those who appear to be trying to help themselves--which normally means they receive no 'assistance' from various agencies or charities. Putting it rather badly, I know--but pretty much in agreement with BABE. I've seen many times what she mentioned firsthand, about those on the 'lists.' NOT saying any of those are not deserving or needy, just that so many others 'fall through the cracks.'

Not Much Change topic reminded me:

Couldn't help laughing during a FOX channel program way late last night, in which 'President' Obama was being criticized for 'not doing enough' (and yes, no kidding, that is what the two commentators were calling him). A few days ago was hearing Obama being criticized by FOX commentators for things they thought were out-of-line because he is NOT yet the president. Good, though ... to prove how fair and balanced FOX is, right?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 3:20 PM

My favorite Christmas specials are...

Silent Night, Deadly Night

The Star Wars Holiday Special

Santa Claus Conquers the Martians

-- Posted by Lumpy on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 3:34 PM

Google says Mrs.Claus name was Mary Christmas

until she married Santa and became Mrs. Claus ...

i don't believe it for a second...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 3:46 PM

Does anyone have suggestions on where to drive to see a concentration of Christmas lights and decorations in Cape?

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 4:21 PM


Trust me I have a great deal of sympathy for my kids teachers. My son is ADHD and has tested his teachers a lot over the years. His teacher this year was afraid to really crack down on him as she had had dealings with an irate parent in the past, she was floored when my husband and I both told her to do what it took to get his attntion and we would back her all the way. Teachers jobs are hard enough without us as parents making it harder. If my child fails to study and fails the class then I can not blame the teacher I blame my child for not studying and myself for not keeping after her as I should. You guys are the excuse many need to rationalize theirs and their childs laziness. The only time I have gotten verbal at the school was when our principle told me they didn't have to let me know when my son was in troble because it was a privledge for him to be there. Now that made me mad and she hard about it as well as the super. Again thank you for what you do because like Red I am afraid I couldn't do it.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 5:26 PM


I agree with you on helping those who try to help themselves and do not receive any assistance. My wife and I help such a family also. We have known them many years and they are always willing to help others in any way they can by watching neighbors’ children, helping with homework and just “being there” for others. Yes, we do sometimes “help” through an organization and someone may take advantage of it, but we can live with that and it is not a lot anyway.

As to Fox News, I must admit that I watch it quite a bit, but in the interest of being “fair and balanced” I also watch Robin Meade from CNN…

I really wish there was an unbiased and reliable news source, but as Just_Me says, you really have to do your own work if you wish to be and stay informed.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 5:28 PM








HO-HO-HO.....Don't forget to give AMMO and GAS MASK FILTERS as practical gifts this Christmas.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 5:30 PM

We do think alike sometimes, Just, perhaps more than we realize. I can't recall a time, though, when the media just reported the news factually...leaving a few things out or putting a few words in often makes a big difference in how the stories can be slanted and perceived. So ... many of us do what you said, " ... research various media sources, pull from personal experience, etc to get the facts ..., or at least try to get the facts.

Silly question I was going to ask the other day, Just ... Where does the Dept. of Labor get its information about how many unfilled jobs there are in the country? I mean, do they have people reading all the Help Wanted Ads in all the newspapers? On a more-serious note: How many more than those figures are unemployed but didn't/couldn't file for unemployment, or their unemployment benefits have run out? Somehow, I've always had a problem with believing 'government stats' on most anything. Oh heck, any stats for that matter.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 5:31 PM

Robert Goodbody,

Speaking of which, do you know a source for "reasonably priced" ammo; looking to get some for my kids, seriously. The prices I have been seeing are pretty tough.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 5:40 PM


You are no longer counted as unemployed.... America's true unemployment figure is much higher than that which is reported. As for jobs creations, those are bogus, inflated "estimates", not real jobs that were created. Clinton did it, bush does it, you can't believe a thing that those lying bast*rds say. I am afraid that Obama will be the same way.

If you don't bring the manufacturing jobs back to America, then you do not have a snow ball's chance in hell in correcting this economic problem.

All the talk about creating "green" jobs, and fixing the infrastructure, is a bunch of crapola. You will find that illegals, or, "undocumented" workers will be brought in to take many of those jobs just as they were in NO when they fired Blacks doing the clean up work after Katrina, and brought in Mexicans because they worked for practically nothing. Thus, the contractor make huge profits, way more than what he was making when he had Blacks working. That is the story of America, greed, greed, avarice and more greed. That is why we are in this mess now.

A few jobs in the newspaper is not going to put over a half million Americans who lost thier jobs in NOVEMBER... not to count those who lost their jobs in the last year. Wise up. Buy ammo, because you are going to need it.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 5:44 PM


Good deals on ammo are just about gone. You might go to Barnes and Noble and look through a copy of SHOTGUN NEWS back in the newspaper section. I am seeing ammo going from twice what it was three years ago, to five and nearly six times the price on a 1,000 rounds.

When I bought ammo, back years ago, the best buys were at the Illinois gun shows in Belleville and Collinsville. There is a Collinsville show this weekend. I haven't been in about five, or, six years. You might check Sportsman's guide, depending on the ammo that you need, they are not TOO out of line. www.sportsmansguide.com

Price of an Israeli M-15 mask now is about $10 more than it was six months ago at ebay. If you can find one, they go about $35. The cheaper Israeli civilian mask, is now < $35, but the M15 has a drink tube and is much nicer.


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-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 6:07 PM

Semoangel, this avatar is for you.

Hook'em Horns. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 6:12 PM

Robert Goodbody,

Thanks, I have used Sportsman's Guide quite a bit and got my last ammo from them about a year ago. I also have used CheaperThanDirt as well as ArmsandAmmo. Prices I am seeing is $400 per 1k of .223/5.56 plus shipping.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 6:16 PM

OMG Babe, we share the same favorite. "A Christmas Story." That film is so great, I don't have a favorite part. It's all good.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 6:34 PM

"WHEN YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT RUNS OUT...You are no longer counted as unemployed...."

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, 4:44 pm CDT

Excellent point Mr. Goodbody!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 6:37 PM

Does anyone have suggestions on where to drive to see a concentration of Christmas lights and decorations in Cape?

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, 3:21 pm CDT


Out on Kent Drive (Near that guy that pipes in Christmas music through your car radio)

Btw, I'm performing an "Ole Fashioned Acoustic Christmas" tonight at Broadway Books and Roasting Company on Broadway. Show starts at 7:00pm, admission is free.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 6:44 PM


LOL you are just mad because the won!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 6:50 PM

Semo, I knew we would lose. I'm just pulling for UT tonight against Mizzou. They are about to play. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 8:11 PM

Melange, you girl have a way with words. I laugh all the way down here at your comments.

haven't payed too much attention to Speak Out, but I'm sure the ammo part is because of Hussein Obama and gun control. Rumur has it, you better get your ammo now after january, when Hussein is crowned President Clinton,er Obama, we won't be able to buy them at all.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 8:17 PM

Babe ,

take a ride through the Bent Creek sub-division ,

they usually have a nice x-mas light show...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 8:19 PM

Semo, what I meant was I hope for a Oklahoma loss tonight against Mizzou, that should bring Texas up in the BCS ratings. Sorry for the mix up.Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 8:22 PM

Was kind of thinking that, Goodbody ... that once unemployment ran out, the unemployed were not actually 'counted.'

Your advice to get a gun for the 'bad times' that may be coming had me a little concerned ... until I realized that probably anyone seeing our old house & old vehicles wouldn't consider bothering with us. ~smiling~

Wouldn't mind having a gun though (and a permit to carry, AND lessons to go along with it--since I'm in Cape alone way late at night at least once a month) ... We have a teeny-tiny little pistol a son gave us years ago that I don't think we've ever had an ammunition for, and I've no idea what it uses even. The only 'weapons' I ever learned to use was a shotgun and bow-and-arrow (the old, neat, fun bows).

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 9:07 PM


My post earlier was a bit sarcastic. However overall spending is down some across the board. Remember that much of th problem is panic driven. Not that there are not real problems. Look at oil. Has demand truly dropped that much? I seriously doubt it. Speculation drove up oil. While I appreciate the drop in price of gas I fear this may be merely symbolic. We shall see. I tend to be an optimist and think we will be mostly out of this economic crisis by this time next year.

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 10:27 PM

Now Willy, you don't have to go making personal attacks on my friends. But I will tell you this...None of the folks I know purposely mismanage their money. They don't live extravagantly, they don't drive Cadillacs or SUVs, or live in $300,000 homes. Again, sometimes I "beg" for a depression. It's folks "like you" that need a good dose of the reality that 75% of the folks experience everyday.

Mind you, I "know of" some folks that have $300,000 houses and "claim" to make OVER $100,000 per year. It just so happens "these" are the worst offenders of the housing and credit crisis. NOT the average blue collar working American. A guy who has just gotten some local newpaper attention was one of these big wheeler dealers...look where he's at right now.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 11:08 PM


You'll never understand. It's pointless for me to continue trying. I'll sum this up one more time, but will not go further into this with you. Some folks do the right things, and still come up short. Facts are facts. We're not all perfect and live story book lives, if you do...I pat you on the back. I don't want to see anyone out of work or homeless, but...if a depression is what it takes to make a few "non" believers into believers, then so be it.

Like I said, dispite my wife's health issues, we've managed to keep our heads above water. We're not "hurting" That being said, I'm humble enough not to go around pointing fingers at other folks saying, "You should have managed your money better." Or "You should have made better decisions." Everyone's situation is different from the next. Other folks in our same shoes may be on welfare, while others may be driving cadillacs and buying yachts.

My point...you can "never" truly judge somes situation, until you've walked in their shoes. While you could live off of half of $100,000, I could live off of half of $50,000.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Sun, Dec 7, 2008, at 1:41 AM

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