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Speak Out 11/26/08

Wednesday, November 26, 2008

Proportional limits

WHY DOES the mere suggestion of limitations on weapons set off gun-loving extremists? The Constitution protects our right to own some weapons but not others. The line has to be drawn somewhere. Owning a pistol is OK. Mixing massive amounts of ammonium nitrate with jet fuel for recreational use isn't. If we interpret the phrase "right to bear arms" as a basic guarantor of defense, then the maximum power of personal weaponry should be limited to that which can protect against a realistic number of aggressors. The power to kill dozens of people in less than a minute isn't rooted in our notion of civil defense. We live in the real world, not the final scene of "Scarface."

GOP's future

A RECENT poll indicated that only 34 percent of Americans have a favorable view of the Republican Party. This should be a signal to Republicans that they either need to change what they stand for or risk becoming the party of only the South. When I read comments in Speak Out, it is clear the GOP has not gotten the message and is well on its way to this destiny.

Questioning Obama

I DON'T know why everyone who doesn't agree with Rush Limbaugh thinks it is OK to call him names and attack his character. You have the right not to like Mr. Limbaugh because you live in a great nation. Just as you have the right to your opinion, so does he. Just because his opinion is different from yours doesn't mean he is wrong. We should respect the office of the president. Barack Obama is going to have to earn our respect. He was unwilling, as he was running for president, to answer the questions that people had about his views on some issues and his character. He was carefully scripted. I think the American people have the right to know just who Barack Obama really is. We don't know that yet, which is why people like Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham are worried about where our nation is headed under his presidency. I am scared to death. His unwillingness to be questioned about certain things makes you wonder what he has to hide. I am proud to say that Rush Limbaugh is from Southeast Missouri.

Leaning on government

EVERYONE COMPLAINS about the government, which is broken. However, have you ever stopped to think about your role in the shape our government is in? Seniors complain because their Social Security checks aren't big enough. The truth is, Social Security was never designed to be a person's sole source of retirement income. The seniors who are complaining should have better prepared a retirement pension of their own instead of depending on the government. People complain because Medicare takes such a big chunk of their Social Security checks. Waiting until you have Medicare and then having all kinds of surgeries and procedures forces the price of Medicare to skyrocket. The government cannot take care of all of your needs. It cannot be your income, your health care, your grocery money and all your other needs. At some point, you have to take some responsibility for yourselves and make sure that you have prepared to meet all of your needs as you age.

Untrained advice

THE BEST advice for lay people who want to offer advice for school reform is to offer no advice. Educators are professionals and should be allowed to sort it out. I don't read Speak Out advice as to how a neurosurgeon should perform brain surgery, although in ways that might be easier than coming up with a foolproof method for successfully educating today's youths.

Unregulated capitalism

IT IS BAD when criminal fraud contributes to the mortgage mess. However, I'm not so sure that the definition of criminal culpability shouldn't extend to those in government who let this happen. The handful of folks who took advantage of subprime mortgages by betting that they were bound to fail cannot really be held accountable. Most of them were incredulous at what they were allowed to do under the law. If there was ever an indictment of the misery caused by unregulated capitalism run amok, this is it. We're all paying for it now.

It won't work

USING UNSKILLED, unemployed factory workers to build modern-day roads and bridges and schools, as our new president is going to suggest, is just plain silly. In the 1930s when we had the WPA all a worker needed was a pick and shovel to build a road. Today's road and bridge builders are highly skilled professionals. Would you want your child attending a school built by unskilled workers just so they could have a job? President-elect Obama, I would suggest you come up with your own ideas. What worked for President Roosevelt won't work today.

Socio-economic status

JOE SULLIVAN'S Sunday piece positing that what is needed to improve education is parent, student and school involvement was beautifully written with interesting, often heartwarming examples. However, once again, it must be pointed out that the only thing that has been proven to correlate with student achievement is the socioeconomic status of the parents. Thus, private and public efforts to improve the overall standing of those who raise our children seems to be the only real and perhaps lasting resolution to overcome some of the problems. Even though the Obama administration is faced with the almost overwhelming fallout from the Bush recession, progress can and will be made.

School prayer

THIS IS a response to the person who said we kicked God out of schools. We didn't. Children are free to pray on their own or in groups in their free time. What was stopped was state-sanctioned prayer. It was taken out because it is unconstitutional. I'm an atheist, and I don't want my child being indoctrinated at school. If you want prayer in school, send your child to a private religious school.


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Please dont ruin my Thanksgiving by praising Rush L. Good grief, let it go for a day or so and give our new and your president a chance to ******* the ground. You just partially ruined my lunch.

-- Posted by changedname on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 6:42 AM

..ditto

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 7:04 AM

Proportional limits – OooooKay, what’s your point?

GOP’s future – 34%, heck that ain’t bad. I’m sure the poll was balanced and accurate. Heck, less than 20% think our government has a clue. Most of those people polled think Columbus is the capital of Iowa. Many thought Gov. Palin was Obama’s vice president. I’m confident that the Democrats will give the loyal opposition a good boost here in the next four years.

Questioning Obama – Ditto? Well, heck yes, ditto!

Untrained advise – yepper, you parents need to stay out of the education of your children and let the teachers union carry the load. You can trust them.

Unregulated capitalism – yeah, **** that President Clinton, supporting the deregulation of the financial markets. What was he thinking? You mean deregulation had nothing to due with our current dilemma? Oh, well, never mind.

It won’t work – not only will it not work today, it didn’t work then. History is about to repeat itself. Shame on us.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 7:09 AM

Proportional limits: Oh bees knees, I never heard anything about limitations on guns. It's just a bunch of hodge-podge created by a couple of upset whinge.

GOP's future: destiny, dinosaurs, extinction

Questioning Obama: I beg to differ, Limbaugh has been WRONG on many occasions. Additionally, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Ingraham are NOT worried about the country...they're worried about ratings. They're just a bunch of prats plagued by ... megalomania, who use grandiose verbiage to confuddle their flock. The foundation of their programming is lies, half-truths, and malarkey.

Leaning on government: Pillock!

Untrained advice: "Educators are professionals and should be allowed to sort it out." Yes...sort it out, not hire it out.

Unregulated capitalism: Hmmm...you may have a point. Off with their heads!

It won't work: Oh fiddle sticks, look at how long some of these bridges and roads lasted. Another gormless duff who must find something to whinge about. Congratulations, you just brassed off 50 Million Americans. If I were you, I'd hang my head in shame. You should be banished for all eternity.

Socio-economic status: You've completely lost me.

School prayer: I often prayed everytime we received our mid-quarter grades.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 7:41 AM

Sorry, dummy, we are out of time.... and your comments are just plain stupid.

"Untrained advice"

"THE BEST advice for lay people who want to offer advice for school reform is to offer no advice. Educators are professionals and should be allowed to sort it out. "

>>>>>>> American school children have been deliberately dumbded down and indoctinated with a variety of propaganda, to the point that we have some of the most ingnorant, dumb-s*it kids on planet earth.

Once the pride of the world in education, now, America school children rank behind former Soviet Russia states such as Lativa in Science and Math. Our ranking is between 17th and 25th the last time that I checked.

What is laughingly called school teachers these days are little more than propagandists and glorified day care workers. About ten years ago, "teachers" even wanted to be referred to as "facilitators." They thought that their job was to sit in the classroom and observe, as a student who they deemed had a grasp of the subject matter, taught the class.

No, sorry, Hell No, we will not sit back and allow what you have termed "professionals" work it out. Each year, we graduate students who cannot read, write, or, do math at the 8th grade level. It is not up to you to fix it, you, the school teacher, and your crappy-a*s cirriculum is the problem. You have filled the class day with assemblies, dioramas, glorified fingerpainting, mind numbing crap about homosexuals, recycling, saving planet earth, and other crap that you get the agenda and materials from outside pressure groups. No wonder the kids can't read, or, do math, their heads are full of junk propaganda and disfunctional thoughts from you and your pressure groups.

Quit propagandizing, quit giving incredible amounts of homework, and teach the subject in class. If you can't teach, if you are not smart enough to teach, then find work in the state, or, federal government and allow us to find people who can teach.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 7:58 AM

"I am proud to say that Rush Limbaugh is from Southeast Missouri."

Big deal, he doesn't live here, does he? ****, some of you doofus bast*rds are just so full of "pride," that it is sickening. "Proud to be an American".....if you weren't so **** stupid, you would realize that someone from Serbia is PROUD TO BE A SERBIAN, or, that a Japanese person is PROUD TO BE JAPANESE... you rattle that crap about being "PROUD TO BE AMERICAN" off like you had invented something clever, and new.

Rush Limbaugh is defaming toward and name calls his critics, so, if those who do not consider Rush to be the genius that you do call him names in return, just unknot your panties and have a seat in his cheer section. It will pass.

Besides, you do know that "Pride" is a sin for which you will go to hell and burn in the eternal lake of fire until you are nice an toasty.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 8:09 AM

"Unregulated capitalism"

Yep, you are 100% correct. You do know which is the party of deregualtion, and fights attempts to label products as to contents, and country of orign don't you?

Now, that the Democrats are in control, with twits like Nancy Pelosi in charge, I doubt that anything will change. Party labels and pre-election talk is all a sham, a farce, a little play acting by them, to keep us off balanced and hugging our party labels close to our chest, while both parties set about to scu us blind.

Choosing Rohm Emanuel should have put any doubts, or, hopes for that matter to rest. Now, with Robert Gates, and that New York Federal Reserve head, Gietner? picked for his cabinet, sign your souls over to the Devil, because all hope of reform, recovery, of real change is lost.

Get ready to put on your WPA uniform, and join Obama Workers Brigade. It is all about globalism, making money for a very few and to hell with us. The sooner that you realize that, the sooner the 2nd War of Independence can begin.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 8:19 AM

AMMO..... THE BEST HEDGE FUND

If you had bought a 1,000 round case of .308, 7.62x39 (SKS & AK-47), or, .223 three years ago at about $100 a case, today, you would have an investment worth 4 to 5 times your original purchase price.

AMMO.... still the best buy for smart investors.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 8:23 AM

AMMO.....

Actually, I saw an ad for 1,000 rounds of .308 ammo in SHOTGUN NEWS for $659... meaning a SIX times profit over the 2005 price of right around $100-$120 back then.

Remember, without ammo, your rifle is just a club. Look at who is in the White House now, and see the price of ammo. It is no accident, they are trying to slowly dry up the supply of ammo so you don't realize what is happening.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 8:27 AM

I agree Goodbody...I used to work for a State government agency. We were required to do a large amount of writing. These jobs were for "degreed professionals" and the majority of these "professionals" couldn't even spell words correctly, formulate a simple sentence, develop a paragraph, etc. Not only did these individuals pass through the terrible government school system, they were able to pass through post-secondary schools sponsored by the State. It really is sad that we settle for average or less-than-average performance in school and then it spills over into the workplace. I won't even get started on the poor work ethic of our younger generation.

-- Posted by Bryan75 on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 8:29 AM

FXPWT--

The rate over here is higher because they were allowed to pass themselves an increase in the rate earlier this year...so we knew it was going up and unfortunately, there wasn't much anyone can do about it since electric is a non-competitive monopoly.

Willy Makit--

I wouldn't switch to gas if you paid me to. Our previous home had gas and my bill was almost twice as high as on electric with my baseboard heating. I would like to have a pellet stove but we can't afford to buy one at the moment and I have had trouble getting the insurance company to commit to it being included in the policy if installed.

At my old house (also in illinois) it took over $600 to fill half of the tank with propane...and that only ran for about three months (and only ran the heating, water heater, and cookstove). Still had that lovely electric bill on top of it.

Perhaps it is a difference in the type of home we have or something...*shrugs*

Proportional Limits---

You need to revist your study of the Constitution and it's tenets.

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 8:56 AM

Knucklehead.... have you read?

Just wondered if you had read "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt?

"Iserbyt served as Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration, where she first blew the whistle on a major technology initiative which would control curriculum in America's classrooms"

http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/

Her book, the "Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" is here, as several sections, in pdf form.

http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/pag...

I just love it when these dummies cry that it is the parent's fault and that the parent needs to be more involved. Back in the '50's and '60's, many mothers were home and could help their children with homework.

But, as it was then, and it is now. It is the alleged "teacher" who is being paid to teach, not the parent.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 8:58 AM

morning all

Bethie

Hope all is well with the little guy!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:08 AM

morning semoangel

r u ready for turkey day ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:18 AM

Proportional limits: You have a natural right to defend yourself and only you can make the judgment on what it takes. Self defense is not a collective action.

GOP's future is following in the footsteps of the Democrats. I seen it on C-Span, the Republican discussion on how to rebuild the party. They have, like the Democrats, realized that the voters demand national socialism.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:18 AM

Goodbody, you need to contact the Cape Girardeau sewage treatment plant so that they can help remove that crap you seem to be full of today!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:19 AM

Questioning Obama??

Sounds like Babe wrote that one!

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:25 AM

Semo--

He is doing wonderful. Getting big too quick.

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:27 AM

Questioning Obama: I have nothing personal against Bush or Obama. I think that they are or will be pawns of the elite power brokers. I also believe that the office of president has become a front for miscreant behavior.

Leaning on government: I want a bigger check like AIG and Citi. I want paid for bad decisions that I have made over the years.

Untrained advice: If you are so well trained then why are the children doing so poorly in school?

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:37 AM

Unregulated capitalism: We don't have unregulated capitalism in this country, we have national socialism. Everything is government's fault because it controls everything.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:46 AM

Untrained advice: If you are so well trained then why are the children doing so poorly in school?

-- Posted by Hilleco on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 8:37 am CDT

Limits, restrictions, lack of respect for education.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:47 AM

Untrained advice: If you are so well trained then why are the children doing so poorly in school?

-- Posted by Hilleco on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 8:37 am CDT

To Suelynn's post I would add...."attitude", from students, parents and community. Notice the communities with lots of school pride and involvement, seem to do better.

I would also add that NOT all children are doing poorly in school. Unfortunately there are ALWAYS some who will not excel, and that is why "no child left behind", is not practical.

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:54 AM

rick

as ready as will ever be. Holidays have become a day of running for us mornings at the lake with my family and then back here for dinner with his. Spend as much time in the car as we do anything else.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:59 AM

it won't work

I hadn't heard of this plan. Perhaps Obama is 'channeling' FDR.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 10:05 AM

Mr. Goodbody, I am surprised, but I agree with you about schools. Too much PC, assembly, teacher days, etc. and not enough of the three R's. And for gosh sakes, DON'T let them use calculators for basic math. There is a decade's worth of people out there who can't subtract $4.75 from $10.00 in their heads and don't know "their" from "they're" from "their."

May I add one thing about the tests comparing students from different countries: In the US all students are tested, whereas in many of the other countries only college-track students are tested, so in some cases it's not really apples and apples.

-- Posted by rh3a on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 10:16 AM

socio-economic

Oh good grief...now we are supposed to send the parents to college and get them jobs...based on a myth.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 10:17 AM

Megal,

What about Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthew, Rachel Maddow, etc? Are they not carrying the water for BO and the liberal views of about 1/2 the country?

-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 8:20 am CDT

Was the SO caller addressing those individuals?

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 10:18 AM

"I would also add that NOT all children are doing poorly in school. Unfortunately there are ALWAYS some who will not excel, and that is why "no child left behind", is not practical".

Posted by: Theorist

I would also add that the same could be said of many Teachers!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 10:19 AM

Mega

So...are you Australian or English?

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 10:25 AM

PC in schools: Yes, there was a time that a ruler had multiple uses, none of which had to do with drawing straight lines or measuring inch worms. We need to return to the basics. The 3Rs

(which makes no sense really since we are talking about Reading, Writing, and Arithmetic, while all three words contain Rs, they also contain I's)

However, it may be FDRs three Rs that would be more appropriate. Relief, Recovery, Reform OR...we could use the key tenet used in the Hartland Consolidated schools. Reason, Respect, and Responsibility.

Eitherway, RWA or RRR we're getting a good lesson in acronyms and the alphabet. That being said, one need go no further than the pantry in order to educate themselves in a reasonable fashion. Thank the good heavens for Campbell's Alphabet soup, or I may never have passed kindergarten.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 10:34 AM

Hmmm...I speak English; therefore, I must be English. Make any sense?

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 10:36 AM

Mega

You speak 'gobsmacked' English.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 10:40 AM

Actually, I think you're a bit confuddled. Gobsmacked means flabbergasted or...dumbfounded, which at times could describe me person. In truth it's more Cockney.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 10:51 AM

I agree with Goodbody about Charlotte Iserbyt. I would recommend reading Deliberate Dumbing down of America for everyone. It is free on the INTERNET in pdf. This woman speaks the real truth about "education."

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 10:53 AM

The right to bear arms was & is our protection against an "out of control government" in case "we the people" need rise up in revolution...

Rush Limbaugh is just an entertainer , he just stirs the pot & has no answers or solutions...

"No child left behind" I can't remember when I started hearing this term somewhere about the time I saw the sign on Jefferson School "Parents as Teachers"

what an original idea , DUH there may be a reason some kids are left behind...

-- Posted by rockman54 on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 11:02 AM

Melange...

The NCLB Act...was established to set high expectations and establish measurable goals to improve

individual outcomes in education.

It does not work, and this is where I did not communicate what I meant....because, measurable goals cannot always be attained. i.e. a child can be learning, but may still perform poorly on a standardised test.

So....where you might feel your school district is failing, may not actually be the truth. Isn't an educators REAL goal to educate functioning members of society? This is not always measurable!

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 11:04 AM

Melange....

Not whining....perhaps I did not communicate effectively, but you jumped to the wrong conclusion!

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 11:06 AM

Socio-economic status: I think that schools should all be private. Perhaps then will educators stop treating the children as lab-rats in one experiment after another (NCLB and other nonsensical crap) or merely as things.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 11:09 AM

RE: Proportional limits

Please, allow me to make a First Amendment analogy.

Would it be constitutionally acceptable to ban books as long as newspapers - a viable substitute source of expression - were still legal?

-- Posted by Lumpy on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 11:22 AM

Proportional Limits

As is so often the case, you reveal yourself in your introduction by describing those who oppose further gun controls as gun loving “extremists”. You are not open to any other position so you should not even pose the question, but rather put it in the form of an outright accusation, at least that would demonstrate some intellectual honesty.

Fortunately “we” do not interpret the meaning and unfortunately the courts do and have in my opinion gone too far in limiting this “natural right”.

Read some history especially the Federalist Papers, this “right” is not connected only to defense against robbery or personal attack, but as was mentioned by another poster an out of control government in which the number of “aggressors” would make “Scarface” seem minimal.

This “natural right” is not limited to the world in which we live, but also in the world as it may become.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 11:42 AM

"President-elect Barack Obama appointed former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker on Wednesday to be the chairman of a new White House advisory board tasked with helping to lift the nation from recession and stabilize financial markets."

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 11:44 AM

Theorist,

It is also a goal for Teachers to be "functioning members of Society"! I find it ironic that several always put the blame on Parents and Students.If we

would demand that the Government get out of the buisness of educating our young than perhaps we may

gain some ground on our failed school system.The fact is too many want to throw dirt and forget that when they do they loose ground.Our schools have lost too much ground and its time we stop playing in the dirt and get down to the buisness of a good education for all.JMO

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 11:45 AM

...yes

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 11:53 AM

Just...

You posted "And so, I would ask are you purposely leaving out Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, etc? "

And here in lies the real difference between the two sides.....Laughing

The more liberal posters from speak out do not follow Matthews et.al.(that is why they are not considered), and are able to ascertain truth from fiction. The more conservative posters seem more inclined to follow Rush et.al. (just ask Babe, he gets advice from her) and do not understand the concept of drama and exaggeration equals higher ratings...

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 11:53 AM

Just...

You posted "And so, I would ask are you purposely leaving out Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, etc? "

And here in lies the real difference between the two sides.....Laughing

The more liberal posters from speak out do not follow Matthews et.al.(that is why they are not considered), and are able to ascertain truth from fiction. The more conservative posters seem more inclined to follow Rush et.al. (just ask Babe, he gets advice from her) and do not understand the concept of drama and exaggeration equals higher ratings...

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 11:53 AM

This “natural right” is not limited to the world in which we live, but also in the world as it may become.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 10:42 am CDT

An alarmist....why do you assume the worst? Why not make the place you are in (at) now, the best it can be and quit looking for disaster?

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 11:56 AM

Greywolf,

you posted..."Our schools have lost too much ground"

What on "earth" are you talking about? The students we are graduating now are not only brighter, but more prepared to enter society than in the past.

No, the system isn't perfect, but it has improved immensely over the days of "spare the rod" mentality.

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 12:00 PM

please excuse the double post....(sigh)

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 12:02 PM

Theorist,

I knew you could not resist.

There is really no need for name calling and I accept that nothing I can say will change your preconceived notions about this issue or me so I won't even try.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 12:03 PM

Did I call someone a name?

Not my intent, just wanted to "alarm" the readers....laughing

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 12:04 PM

º¿º

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 12:06 PM

Barbara Bush has had surgery for a perforated ulcer and will be hospitalized until next week.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 12:07 PM

Theorist,

Yes, actually you did and you are too intelligent to pretend that you didn't.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 12:08 PM

GreyWolf

Is this an example of how you feel about the schools?

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 12:12 PM

"Hope for the best and prepare for the worst".

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 12:15 PM

Just....

Planning for the future is not quite the same as planning for disaster...

I may even have an "earthquake prepared" box, but it is not filled with guns and ammo to keep my neighbors from stealing it!

Actually, come to think of it, the guns and ammo would probably entice my neighbors to steal it.....

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 12:19 PM

GreyWolf

OOPS...I forgot the link.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-...

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 12:22 PM

Los Angeles April 29, 1992 really happened and it caught many unprepared. Hope had little impact.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 12:30 PM

Cor Blimey! It appears will now have to dissect the SO callers translated prose.

Questioning Obama

I Just as you have the right to your opinion, so does he. Just because his opinion is different from yours doesn't mean he is wrong. (But he is wrong, quite often)

I think the American people have the right to know just who Barack Obama really is. (Hmm....who he is? You mean, some terrorist bloke has made it through the entire electorial process at the state and federal levels without being apprehended by the Department of Homeland Security, and not dashed off to Guantanamo? There must be a lapse in security!)

We don't know that yet, which is why people like Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham are worried about where our nation is headed under his presidency. (Hmm...Nope, I don't see any mention of Matthews, Olberman, or any other liberal typish news media mentioned here)

I am scared to death. (Of course she is. She's been land bashed by War mongering Blue on Blue media merchants like...Limbaugh, Hannity, and Ingraham.)

Educated...well informed? Not likely, more apt blinkered by gormless whinges who launch their grandiose tyriads in order to stoke their ratiings.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 12:50 PM

Cor Blimey! It appears will now have to dissect the SO callers translated prose.

Questioning Obama

I Just as you have the right to your opinion, so does he. Just because his opinion is different from yours doesn't mean he is wrong. (But he is wrong, quite often)

I think the American people have the right to know just who Barack Obama really is. (Hmm....who he is? You mean, some terrorist bloke has made it through the entire electorial process at the state and federal levels without being apprehended by the Department of Homeland Security, and not dashed off to Guantanamo? There must be a lapse in security!)

We don't know that yet, which is why people like Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham are worried about where our nation is headed under his presidency. (Hmm...Nope, I don't see any mention of Matthews, Olberman, or any other liberal typish news media mentioned here)

I am scared to death. (Of course she is. She's been land bashed by War mongering Blue on Blue media merchants like...Limbaugh, Hannity, and Ingraham.)

Educated...well informed? Not likely, more apt blinkered by gormless whinges who launch their grandiose tyriads in order to stoke their ratiings.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 12:50 PM

Theorist,

Ok since you KNOW it ALL our kids are the most well educated on Earth...What a joke! I have had SEVERAL exchange students over the last 15 years and let me be the first to tell you Miss "Know it all" all of these kids were far more advanced in their education than ALL of the students at Cape or Jackson! Four of them would have been top of their class if not for being a foreign exchange student where that does not count!Yep go on thinking our educational system is wonderful, while the rest of the planet is excelling in every subject

including ENGLISH ! "What on Earth Am I talking about"?

Join the real world cause your out of touch.Sorry Girl,

the world is not the perfect place you seem to think it is.By the way, My best student (all were straight A)

was lelde from Latvia. A very small Baltic State with a very poor economy beats the crap out of our school sytem.By 2025 this Country will NOT be the super power we have enjoyed in our lifetime partly because our eductional system is failing and it is not only the fault of bad parenting! I wonder, how many kids do you have? Are they as smarty pants as you?

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 12:58 PM

Theorist,

You are a naive and idealistic individual with no knowledge of or appreciation of how the world really works and what otherwise good people or the government is capable of or prepared to do in exigent circumstances.

If anything ever happens, you will cower in the corner like a little child awaiting the rescue by someone who is better prepared than you. Fortunately for you, help will probably come. It will likely be in the form of someone whom you now consider an “alarmist” or “unenlightened”. They will selflessly risk their life to pull your fat out of the fire and you will be grateful for men or women like them. However, once the danger passes, you will revert to your present state of intellectual immaturity and resume your attacks on those who believe differently than you.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 1:12 PM

An alarmist....why do you assume the worst? Why not make the place you are in (at) now, the best it can be and quit looking for disaster?

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 10:56 am CDT

Not looking for it just prepared for it. You have insurance don't you? Does that make you an alarmist?

-- Posted by Producer1 on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 1:12 PM

Megalomania

"You mean, some terrorist bloke has made it through the entire electorial process at the state and federal levels without being apprehended by the Department of Homeland Security, and not dashed off to Guantanamo? There must be a lapse in security!)"

Sssshhhhh...you're not allowed to talk of security clearances for candidates.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 1:15 PM

Greywolf,

Surely you realize your exchange students were the "cream of the crop"!

Actually, I am tired of you and others putting our youth down. Are you working with them daily? Do you have children this age? Do you really know any of them?

We test everyone in school (which is supposed to be every school age child). Other countries are testing only their best!

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 1:20 PM

Greywolf, take a breath. You and Theorist both have good cases. You're exchange students were likely the cream of the crop. And you can't deny that we produce some pretty sharp students here, too. Education and the Education System, especially in a free society, will always expose it's thorns and roses. When good parenting meets good teaching, good things happen. Otherwise, they might not.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 1:20 PM

Ha, imagine that, me and Theorist on the same page. Maybe we all need to take a breath.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 1:22 PM

KCPO...

Who are you attacking and why? When you know something, say it. But right now, you couldn't be further off!!

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 1:33 PM

Theorist said,"Actually, I am tired of you and others putting our youth down. Are you working with them daily? Do you have children this age? Do you really know any of them?

Frankly I could care less what you are tired of! I am tired of your idealistic remarks as well as your know it all attitude!Hows that? NO i do not have school aged children. My two boys are adults. When they were attending school I fought toothe and nails against several "know it all" Teachers like yourself.I was VERY involved with their education but that was 13 years ago.The foreign exchange students I had were all since then.Your wrong girl, just have enough intestinal fortitude to realize that! This Country is lacking far behind in educating our young than MANY Countries and I am sure you can research that statement and find out yourself that its true!

Now lets talk about testing! Lets test the Teachers as well.Lets also test the administrators.Yep, Iam tired too Theorist.Do some research and come back and tell me our children are better educated than other Countries!The system is failing and thats that!

I sure hope you are not a Teacher.If so, you have too much time on your hands.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 1:36 PM

I just did, I dealt with people like you all my career and you are easy to recognize. One of the common characteristics is denial and strong feelings of superiority.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 1:38 PM

Theorist: Greywolf is not putting the children down as compared to an education system that experiments on them like lab-rats or treats them as things that must be controlled. To allow an institution (government) that benefits from failure to educate children is the problem and it can't be cured by allowing government to continue their experiments.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 1:43 PM

Dancing? I'm not waffling around at'all. The SO caller comment doesn't even mention those individuals. Therefore, addressing them is a moot issue.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 1:52 PM

Have_Wheels: - LOCAL HISTORY SNOOPIN' INTEL

I just had time to peek in the Bog and see if ya found my post to you last night. Glad ya did. I gotta get over to Cape and back before evening, as I'll then be stuck on 24-hr duty for the rest of the long weekend; don't know if I'll be bellyflopping in the Bog much over the weekend 'cause, as Murph's Law mandates, if I try to do something that's when I'll get a case call, and sometimes they can last for hours! Even so, I wanted to reply to your post today, as you seem to be into some pretty interesting topics.

Yup, I like the idea of marketing screen doors on subs! Perhaps an extended product line of glass-bottomed ASW destroyers in lieu of sonar systems would be a good sell too...gotta "save the whales" donchaknow?!! Since the virual business would be a temporary grab-&-run (off shore?) endeavor, I should ponder setting it up as a Junior Achievement program, ya think?! Seriously, though, I thought the JA program was such a great experience for both teens and professional advisors alike, I'd do it again if such a program surfaced in this area.

Since you say you're not living in the area, are ya very far away? Your interests statement about pre-CW era to the 1900s in Cape/Bollinger counties grabbed my eyeballs' attention...or at least the one that's still workin' OK! Sunshine_In_Jackson seems to be privy to some neat local historic stuff too, so maybe we could arrange a sorta three-way covert meeting in his (or her) store, huh? A little "show-and-tell" may be in order, just for grins if nothing else.

More seriously again (if I can avoid hurting myself with serious stuff!), I'm not exactly getting any younger and, being a fair weather snooper, there's some leads I want to check out next Spring, some of which may require metal detectors. I've hinted before about some things I've got plotted on topo maps, and would always be interested in more goodies. And I could use a few partners to compare notes with, and also abide with that old metal detectors credo...about keeping our mouths somewhat shut if we actually find something neat. Anyway, this local history stuff is a heck of a lot more fun than the same ole boring political junk.

Being a cemetary snooper, Wheels, here's a lead just for you, if you're not already aware of it...actually, it's just one headstone, but fun to look for. Are you familiar with the Old Military Road? I once plotted it on topos from the Miss R. to Greenville, in Wayne County; however, a friend has it plotted on his computer all the way into TX! Anyway, if you're on a part of the OMR that was still drivable (when I was there) not far from Grassy in B-County, you can probably still find a headstone of a Yankee, W.W. Wood, who died and was buried right by the road...the story has it that care of the grave caused a bit of consternation among some of the Reb/Yank factions in the area. If you're heading West towards Grassy on the OMR, you should be able to spot the marker on your left in the brush right beside the road. I've got plotted (and been there) another wayward headstone by some railroad tracks belonging to a slave plantation (haunted, they say) in Perry County, but that's a little more difficult to describe without showing the location to you on a topo map...access is only by walking a couple of miles up the tracks.

OK. Enough bloviating for now. Gotta git to gittin' to Cape and fetch Mule' supplies for the weekend...or else (and her "else" may not be so pleasurable!!) Hope Ya stay in touch.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 2:25 PM

You're just such a cheeky fellow.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 2:40 PM

I see he is back in yet another incarnation.

-- Posted by D'oh on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 2:43 PM

Just,

Here's you're blooming cyber bullying info.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081126/ap_o...

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 2:45 PM

*snicker*

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 2:53 PM

Yes!!!!!! My Ford stock is off and a way, I've double me money in less than a week.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 3:02 PM

Whinging over Obama still? It's going to be a long eight years for you. Perhaps you'd like to defect to the UK?

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 3:04 PM

Herr and Wheels

Do yall ever do tracings of tombstones?

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 3:07 PM

This cyber bullying case is a farce. No one can drive another person to commit suicide.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 3:14 PM

You're not being very thankful chap.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 3:25 PM

Babe, I completely agree.

For if that were the case, several of us in this forum

would be dead already!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 3:25 PM

Drive them? No. Cyber them to death...yes. I've been almost drawn to slit me own throat over a trojan or spam mail.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 3:27 PM

Megal,

Thanks for the cyber bullyinfo ... but your game is just a bit pony, and you come off like a man with his boat up his bottle.

-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 2:28 pm CDT

Yes, that would be the crude definition of a megalomaniac.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqpoDLnZm...

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 3:40 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGZkC-pd-...

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 3:43 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQuBfvtBD...

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 3:50 PM

My God British comedy sux

-- Posted by Producer1 on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 3:55 PM

Producer, you must have a stiff sense of humour. Sorry bloke, laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 4:03 PM

I suppose, Herr, that along with all your other stubborn traits, you don't bother to get your flu shot every year? SIGH Glad to hear your little 'bugs' have decided to abandon you ... Perhaps they've heard of my Grandma's home remedies I was thinking about piling upon you.

Wish we'd had something like 'junior achievement' back when I was young. My only youthful (more or less youthful) achievements were having babies and learning how to cook something beside ground beef and weiner dishes, etc.

LEANING ON GOVERNMENT: Actually ... I've seen/heard few complaints from Seniors about their SS checks not being 'big enough.' I am, however, waiting for our government to 'take some responsibility' when it comes to budgeting and being 'prepared to meet' all our 'needs.'

IT WON'T WORK: Well ... without going into detail ... yes, it could.

black_shadow, you're very perceptive. ~wink~

Just for fun, thought I'd mention a question to Pops last evening: Asked him if he'd heard anything about Palin resigning from her governorship. I do NOT understand why, after all these years, he does not always appreciate my sense of humor. SIGH

Applause, please, for not posting all the opinions I was going to on education.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 4:41 PM

legalize marijauna...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 4:45 PM

Rick: Law

"The law perverted! And the police powers of the state perverted along with it! The law, I say, not only turned from its proper purpose but made to follow an entirely contrary purpose! The law become the weapon of every kind of greed! Instead of checking crime, the law itself guilty of the evils it is supposed to punish!"--Frederic Bastiat “The Law”

As if the present perversion isn't enough, we need more laws, rules, and regulations to complement the greed.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 4:50 PM

Oh, gosh, Just_Me, I HOPE I'm not included in your "etc." ~smiling~

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 4:54 PM

Just_Me,

Good one on pessimist.

You of all people know one does not "debate" Theorist.

Back to work, one hour of sunlight left.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 5:00 PM

Herr

I was not involved in Junior Achievement in high school but my sister was. They made french bread once a week in a bakery after hours. If I remember correctly, they sold the bread wholesale to the baker. They kept their own books and allocated reinvestment in supplies and pocketed some profit.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 5:15 PM

MeLange

Didn't the young girl and her family have the "choice" of not turning on the computer or being selective of the sites she visited?

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 5:22 PM

BABE

my brother was in Junior Achievement for two years ...

they had to run their own little company but i can't

remember what they sold ...too many beers ago , dontchaknow..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 5:31 PM

MeLange

I cannot go down this road of your convoluted logic.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 6:14 PM

MR DUCKS

MR NOT

OSAR

CM WINGS

LIB MR DUCKS

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 6:27 PM

Bethie - in regards to your post of 0756 today (warning to others - more energy ramblings - another very long post follows)

An electric cooperative is a unique business in that the owners are also the customers, at least in theory. It would be an interesting conversation to call up one of the board members who have been chosen to represent your interests, and tell them that as a customer - you are not happy with the rates, and as an owner, you demand an explanation as to why the rates are so much higher than the cooperatives in Missouri.

Here are the rates for Black River Cooperative, serving up around the Fredericktown area http://www.brec.coop/BillingPayments/Rat...

The rates for SEMO Cooperative, serving rural portions of the Cape and Sikeston areas

http://www.semoelectric.coop/rates.asp

And, finally the rates in Southern IL - big bucks, lotsa whammies!

http://www.siec.org/billing.html

In general, any 'profits' or margins that a cooperative experiences should either be returned to the owners/customers in the form of patronage payments, used for debt service, or used to improve and to enhance the services provided. A good portion of the profits for an IOU goes to service dividend payments to stockholders.

Not sure exactly how the Illinois systems work - here in Missouri, the investor-owned utilities (IOUs) such as Ameren and Kansas City Power and Light fall under the regulation and oversight of the Public Service Commission. This regulation and oversight is the trade-off for the IOU being granted a monopoly for their service territory. Cooperatives, however, are not subject to such regulation.

There are upward cost pressures to consider - costs of operating coal-based plants have increased dramatically in the last 10 years due to increases in delivered coal costs, higher maintenance costs to keep the aging facilities running well, and the costs of installing and operating expensive environmental emission-control equipment to meet increasingly stringent emission targets. Costs of natural-gas fueled plants are higher due to the higher average cost of natural gas as compared to coal as well as the volatility in the wholesale price that makes it difficult to predict average generation costs for use in billing and budgeting. Labor has increased at a predictable and mostly controllable rate, but materials such as poles, wire, and transformers have skyrocketed recently. The utility's staff certainly doesn't want to come up on the short-end with budgeting for next year, so they will likely guess on the high side.

Should the utility not own sufficient generation resources and need to buy power on the open market, that power generally comes from the most expensive generating units - those utilities that have excess power to sell are going to keep the lower cost power for use in their own service area to maximize their profits or margins, and only release the higher cost excess power for sale elsewhere. Also, smaller generation units are more costly than their larger counterparts of the same type on a per-kilowatt basis - an economies-of-scale thing.

Then there's the disadvantage of rural systems - typically talked about in the number of 'meters per mile'. A rural system has a lower population density which results in the costs for maintaining their transmission lines and transformers to be spread out among fewer people as compared to a 'city' system.

As far as a deregulated system where one has the choice of whom to buy power from - this 'transmission and distribution' cost component would likely remain constant. After all, there would be little benefit to having several different power lines from different utilities running down essentially the same routes - one of the reasons for granting monopolies to utilities, with the hook that there will be regulatory oversight for rates, at least for the IOUs.

Deregulation efforts across the nation have had a few successes and a lot of failures - Illinois being one - a result of the regional supply and demand not being in balance at the get-go, IMO. Deregulation is a good concept that was executed poorly in many areas, and unfortunately it is nearly-impossible to un-deregulate without major pains - essentially trying to uncobble the train wreck. Once deregulation has failed in an area, it would be difficult to convince people to try again. One question I would have is that if a cooperative isn't regulated to begin with, how would one go about deregulating it?

A very rough rule-of-thumb is that about half of the residential end-user cost is for the costs of power generation, and the other half is for the costs to transport it from the power plant to the individual meters.

Now, why there is such a large difference in end-user costs between similar rural systems is one of the questions that a member of the board should be able to explain. How much different are their costs per kilowatt as compared to others, and why? How much money is being rolled back into system improvements as compared to others? What are the differences in system service area and number of customers served as compared to other systems? And so on. The annual meeting or picnic that many cooperatives hold would be a good place to ask these questions out in the open so that their responses could be shared with many other owner/members who most likely will also want to know.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 7:26 PM

Wheels,

That is pretty funny!

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 8:24 PM

Red....

You of all people know one does not "debate" Theorist.

And why sir, is that?

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 8:34 PM

Greywolf,

Let me explain something, and please listen with an open mind....

The educational system in Japan, China and other countries works by designating top students to continue their education with a super-rigorous curriculum designed to push students to excel in math and sciences the way top athletes are pushed to excel in world competitions.

Children in these countries are taken away from their homes/families and sent to their destinations to be the most competitive at math, science, athletics, or whatever domain the government has chosen for them.

Are we willing to have the government determine for us where our children are, what they study, how long they study? Isn't this what Hilleco and yourself are against?

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 8:58 PM

BUSH PARDONS SCUMBAGS.... LEAVES BRAVE US BORDER PATROL AGENTS IN HELL.

U.S. Border Patrol agents Ignacios Ramos and Jose Compean remain in prison, persecuted by bush's homosexual sex partner, Texas U.S. Federal Attorney, Johnny Sutton.

"Ramos and Compean were on duty along the Rio Grande in Texas when Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila entered the U.S. illegally, smuggling in 742 pounds of marijuana. When he tried to flee back across the river into Mexico, the two agents attempted to stop him. According to them, Aldrete-Davila brandished a gun. Ramos and Compean discharged their weapons at the suspect, but when he continued to flee, they logically assumed he had not been injured.

Two weeks later, Aldrete-Davila was back in the United States, where he was given full immunity to testify against Ramos and Compean for shooting him in the buttocks. Of course, at trial and afterward, U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton claimed the poor drug smuggler had been “shot in the back.” Sutton continues to spin this line in a vain attempt to sell this wrongful prosecution."

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?i...

Here is a list of the t*rds whom Bush pardoned....

"On the latest pardon list were:

_Leslie Owen Collier of Charleston, Mo. She was convicted for unauthorized use of a pesticide and violating the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act.

(Collier was helped by Charleston good ole boy, and Republican stooge... Lannie Black.) See story in Southeast Missourian.

_Milton Kirk Cordes of Rapid City, S.D. Cordes was convicted of conspiracy to violate the Lacey Act, which prohibits importation into the country of wildlife taken in violation of conservation laws.

_Richard Micheal Culpepper of Mahomet, Ill., who was convicted of making false statements to the federal government.

_Brenda Jean Dolenz-Helmer of Fort Worth, Texas, for reporting or helping cover up a crime.

_Andrew Foster Harley of Falls Church, Va. Harley was convicted of wrongful use and distribution of marijuana and cocaine.

_Obie Gene Helton of Rossville, Ga., whose offense was unauthorized acquisition of food stamps.

_Carey C. Hice Sr. of Travelers Rest, S.C., who was convicted of income tax evasion.

_Geneva Yvonne Hogg of Jacksonville, Fla., convicted of bank embezzlement.

_William Hoyle McCright Jr. of Midland, Texas, who was sentenced for making false entries, books, reports or statements to a bank.

_Paul Julian McCurdy of Sulphur, Okla., who was sentenced for misapplication of bank funds.

_Robert Earl Mohon Jr. of Grant, Ala., who was convicted of conspiracy to distribute marijuana.

_Ronald Alan Mohrhoff of Los Angeles, who was convicted for unlawful use of a telephone in a narcotics felony.

_Daniel Figh Pue III of Conroe, Texas, convicted of illegal treatment, storage and disposal of a hazardous waste without a permit.

_Orion Lynn Vick of White Hall, Ark., who was convicted of aiding and abetting the theft of government property.

Bush also commuted the prison sentences of John Edward Forte of North Brunswick, N.J., and James Russell Harris of Detroit, Mich. Both were convicted of cocaine offenses.

Under the Constitution, the president's power to issue pardons is absolute and cannot be overruled.

Some high-profile individuals, such as Michael Milken, are seeking a pardon on securities fraud charges. Two politicians convicted of public corruption - former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., and four-term Democratic Louisiana Gov. Edwin W. Edwards - are asking Bush to shorten their prison terms.

One hot topic of discussion related to pardons is whether Bush might decide to issue pre-emptive pardons before he leaves office to government employees who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Some constitutional scholars and human rights groups want the incoming administration of President-elect Barack Obama to investigate possible war crimes.

If Bush were to pardon anyone involved, it would provide protection against criminal charges, particularly for people who were following orders or trying to protect the nation with their actions. But it would also be highly controversial.

At the same time, Obama advisers say there is little - if any - chance that his administration would bring criminal charges. "

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081124...

You will note in the last paragraph, that it seems like the incoming "Obama t*rd" is going to stink as badly as the current "bush t*rd."....and... You thought that we would have change? HO-HO-HO..

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:18 PM

Perhaps instead of focusing solely on No Child Left Behind, there needs to be more effort shifted towards No Child Held Back from achieving their potential, geared towards the students that excel but are put in a very boring 'holding pattern' til the rest of the group catches up.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:28 PM

re: Bush pardons

Appears that 'Leslie' is a 'he' - kind of damages the credibility of the source - http://www.semissourian.com/article/2008...

-- Posted by fxpwt on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:34 PM

Fxpwt...

You posted,perhaps we should focus on "No Child Held Back from achieving their potential,"

You may very well be correct!

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:46 PM

Goodbody, I agree...these pardons are an unnecessary abuse of power.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 10:18 PM

THE SO-CALLED, U.S. EDUCATION SYSTEM....

Three of the primary problems in what laughingly passes for education in the US, other than the quality of teachers, and the cirriculum, are the issues of mainstreaming students who ought to spend most, if not all of their day in special ed, ("Inclusion") and forced bi-lingual edcuation.

FLORIDA... may have a solution... Southeast and Three Rivers... take note...

"Florida lawmakers have spent the last several months slashing university budgets, and now they’re looking to the state’s community colleges for help filling some of the universities’ traditional roles.

A handful of Florida community colleges have been offering accredited bachelor’s degrees for years, but last week Gov. Charlie Crist officially sanctioned a bold and controversial plan that will expand that practice and change the complexion of higher education in the state.

At a ceremony Thursday, Crist signed a bill that establishes a new college system in Florida, where a population boom has outpaced the growth and funding of the university system. For supporters, the creation of the “Florida College System” is a reasonable step toward stimulating degree production at a lower cost to the state and would-be students. Critics, however, call the idea yet another rushed plan (in a state that has a history of college governance on the fly) that threatens the traditional missions of community colleges and creates competition with their university partners."

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2008/...

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 10:37 PM

Megalomania .... Thank you, and please do enjoy the Thanksgiving holdiay...

gnite

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 10:39 PM

"Are we willing to have the government determine for us where our children are, what they study, how long they study? Isn't this what Hilleco and yourself are against?"

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 7:58 pm CDT

You are right, I am against these things, so why does the US government do such things? Why does it force children into state mandated cells until they are sixteen? This system is bad enough, and no we should not adopt China's methods. All schools should be private here as well as there. Education should be self interest and not a public interest.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 11:07 PM

AH, THESE YOUNG PUNKS IN BLUE, SHOWING THEIR SUPPORT and ADMIRATION FOR OUR IRAQ WAR VETERANS....

"Cops force U.S. soldiers to lick 'urine' off ground

Police threaten to file burglary charges against Iraq war veterans if they complain"

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Posted: November 26, 2008

10:08 pm Eastern

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/...

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WorldNetDaily

"Two Iraq war veterans who claim police forced them to lick what was believed to be human urine off the ground have filed a federal civil-rights lawsuit against the officers.

Wisconsin National Guardsmen Sgt. Anthony R. Anderson and Specialist Robert C. Schiman were in the town of Wisconsin Dells on June 1 for weekend training when two police officers accused them of urinating in an alley, the Wisconsin State Journal reported.

The soldiers denied relieving themselves in public.

Officers Wayne W. Thomas, 19, and Collin H. Jacobson, 20, instructed the two-time war veterans to lick the ground and scrape up mud and lick it to prove the substance was not urine – or they would receive citations.

According to the lawsuit, the officers also made Schiman eat a plant soaked in the liquid.

When both men had licked the ground, one of the officers said he hadn't seen it. He instructed Anderson to do it once more, according to the lawsuit.

"That's not good enough," the officer said. "Do you want a ticket?"

(Story continues below)

Officer Jacobson then told a third officer, Scott Albrecht, "I can't stop laughing. Wayne just made those two guys lick their own p-ss off the ground."

When the men told Albrecht what they had been forced to do, he simply stood by while the other police officers threatened to file burglary charges against the soldiers and inform their commanding officer if they complained.

The police officers said no one would believe the veterans, according to the complaint.

The soldiers filed the lawsuit against the city of Wisconsin Dells, its police chief and the three officers Monday in U.S. District Court in Madison, alleging infliction of emotional distress; negligent hiring, training and supervision of the two officers; false imprisonment and violation of their constitutional and civil rights. The guardsmen are each seeking $600,000 in compensatory and punitive damages.

Officer Thomas was fired in June while Jacobson was suspended for two weeks without pay.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 11:42 PM

h a p p y t h a n k s g i v i n g !

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, at 7:58 AM

Those bad coppers! I thought donuts were supposed to make one happy. Speaking of which,

Happy Gobblers!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, at 8:13 AM

I guess there is no SO today. I hope everyone has a wonderful day.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, at 9:47 AM

Babe,

The lack of an official "Speak Out" has never stopped anyone before. After an hour or so, the original comments are all but forgotten. Happy Thanksgiving.

-- Posted by D'oh on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, at 11:21 AM

The White House accidently sent invitations to a Hanakka event with a cover picture of a Clydesdale pulling a cart carrying a Christmas tree.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, at 12:15 PM

Those blooming coppers are roaming around Broadway and North Kingshighway looking for sealbelt violators. (no I didn't get pulled over) But it bob's my uncle to think they're trying to harass familial units going to gram's house for Gobblers, while the other end of town is getting shot up and stabbed. DO YOUR BLASTED JOBS BLOKES!!! Fight True CRIME, instead of chasing jaywalkers.

Then, I'm trolleying around admiring the christmas decor, and low and behold...Kmart has her blasted doors open sucking in poor prats looking for a deal. Blimey! let your workers enjoy the holiday! 24/7/365 will be the death of this country yet. No wonder corporate america disrespects the blue collar worker, we're like a bunch of coach roaches...we'll eat anything laid before us.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, at 7:02 PM

Suggest that it would seem like more of a 'holiday' if more places would close. Would hope that the employers at least ask for volunteers first before assigning people to work who would rather be elsewhere on those days. On the other hand, employees should be aware of the potential for working holidays before they even sign on.

While a return to Sunday Blue Laws may improve the quality of life for some, it may also mean a reduction in total employee hours worked of upwards of 15% which may in turn lead to fewer people employed in those 24/7 type businesses. Quality of life doesn't mean as much when one can't get enough hours in to pay the bills.

Ah, nothing's easy anymore...

-- Posted by fxpwt on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, at 8:36 PM

Well...we don't necessarily know that as fact. The fact is...if folks "stop" purchasing goods and services on Sundays, (or even other days) the price of those goods and services would drop. (just like the gas) I'd rather work for a dollar a day (and bread be a nickle a loaf) As mentioned, if "may" just improve the morals of country too.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, at 11:33 PM


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