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Speak Out 11/26/08Wednesday, November 26, 2008Proportional limits WHY DOES the mere suggestion of limitations on weapons set off gun-loving extremists? The Constitution protects our right to own some weapons but not others. The line has to be drawn somewhere. Owning a pistol is OK. Mixing massive amounts of ammonium nitrate with jet fuel for recreational use isn't. If we interpret the phrase "right to bear arms" as a basic guarantor of defense, then the maximum power of personal weaponry should be limited to that which can protect against a realistic number of aggressors. The power to kill dozens of people in less than a minute isn't rooted in our notion of civil defense. We live in the real world, not the final scene of "Scarface." GOP's future A RECENT poll indicated that only 34 percent of Americans have a favorable view of the Republican Party. This should be a signal to Republicans that they either need to change what they stand for or risk becoming the party of only the South. When I read comments in Speak Out, it is clear the GOP has not gotten the message and is well on its way to this destiny. Questioning Obama I DON'T know why everyone who doesn't agree with Rush Limbaugh thinks it is OK to call him names and attack his character. You have the right not to like Mr. Limbaugh because you live in a great nation. Just as you have the right to your opinion, so does he. Just because his opinion is different from yours doesn't mean he is wrong. We should respect the office of the president. Barack Obama is going to have to earn our respect. He was unwilling, as he was running for president, to answer the questions that people had about his views on some issues and his character. He was carefully scripted. I think the American people have the right to know just who Barack Obama really is. We don't know that yet, which is why people like Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham are worried about where our nation is headed under his presidency. I am scared to death. His unwillingness to be questioned about certain things makes you wonder what he has to hide. I am proud to say that Rush Limbaugh is from Southeast Missouri. Leaning on government EVERYONE COMPLAINS about the government, which is broken. However, have you ever stopped to think about your role in the shape our government is in? Seniors complain because their Social Security checks aren't big enough. The truth is, Social Security was never designed to be a person's sole source of retirement income. The seniors who are complaining should have better prepared a retirement pension of their own instead of depending on the government. People complain because Medicare takes such a big chunk of their Social Security checks. Waiting until you have Medicare and then having all kinds of surgeries and procedures forces the price of Medicare to skyrocket. The government cannot take care of all of your needs. It cannot be your income, your health care, your grocery money and all your other needs. At some point, you have to take some responsibility for yourselves and make sure that you have prepared to meet all of your needs as you age. Untrained advice THE BEST advice for lay people who want to offer advice for school reform is to offer no advice. Educators are professionals and should be allowed to sort it out. I don't read Speak Out advice as to how a neurosurgeon should perform brain surgery, although in ways that might be easier than coming up with a foolproof method for successfully educating today's youths. Unregulated capitalism IT IS BAD when criminal fraud contributes to the mortgage mess. However, I'm not so sure that the definition of criminal culpability shouldn't extend to those in government who let this happen. The handful of folks who took advantage of subprime mortgages by betting that they were bound to fail cannot really be held accountable. Most of them were incredulous at what they were allowed to do under the law. If there was ever an indictment of the misery caused by unregulated capitalism run amok, this is it. We're all paying for it now. It won't work USING UNSKILLED, unemployed factory workers to build modern-day roads and bridges and schools, as our new president is going to suggest, is just plain silly. In the 1930s when we had the WPA all a worker needed was a pick and shovel to build a road. Today's road and bridge builders are highly skilled professionals. Would you want your child attending a school built by unskilled workers just so they could have a job? President-elect Obama, I would suggest you come up with your own ideas. What worked for President Roosevelt won't work today. Socio-economic status JOE SULLIVAN'S Sunday piece positing that what is needed to improve education is parent, student and school involvement was beautifully written with interesting, often heartwarming examples. However, once again, it must be pointed out that the only thing that has been proven to correlate with student achievement is the socioeconomic status of the parents. Thus, private and public efforts to improve the overall standing of those who raise our children seems to be the only real and perhaps lasting resolution to overcome some of the problems. Even though the Obama administration is faced with the almost overwhelming fallout from the Bush recession, progress can and will be made. School prayer THIS IS a response to the person who said we kicked God out of schools. We didn't. Children are free to pray on their own or in groups in their free time. What was stopped was state-sanctioned prayer. It was taken out because it is unconstitutional. I'm an atheist, and I don't want my child being indoctrinated at school. If you want prayer in school, send your child to a private religious school. 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Please dont ruin my Thanksgiving by praising Rush L. Good grief, let it go for a day or so and give our new and your president a chance to ******* the ground. You just partially ruined my lunch.
..ditto
Proportional limits – OooooKay, what’s your point?
GOP’s future – 34%, heck that ain’t bad. I’m sure the poll was balanced and accurate. Heck, less than 20% think our government has a clue. Most of those people polled think Columbus is the capital of Iowa. Many thought Gov. Palin was Obama’s vice president. I’m confident that the Democrats will give the loyal opposition a good boost here in the next four years.
Questioning Obama – Ditto? Well, heck yes, ditto!
Untrained advise – yepper, you parents need to stay out of the education of your children and let the teachers union carry the load. You can trust them.
Unregulated capitalism – yeah, damn that President Clinton, supporting the deregulation of the financial markets. What was he thinking? You mean deregulation had nothing to due with our current dilemma? Oh, well, never mind.
It won’t work – not only will it not work today, it didn’t work then. History is about to repeat itself. Shame on us.
Proportional limits: Oh bees knees, I never heard anything about limitations on guns. It's just a bunch of hodge-podge created by a couple of upset whinge.
GOP's future: destiny, dinosaurs, extinction
Questioning Obama: I beg to differ, Limbaugh has been WRONG on many occasions. Additionally, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Ingraham are NOT worried about the country...they're worried about ratings. They're just a bunch of prats plagued by ... megalomania, who use grandiose verbiage to confuddle their flock. The foundation of their programming is lies, half-truths, and malarkey.
Leaning on government: Pillock!
Untrained advice: "Educators are professionals and should be allowed to sort it out." Yes...sort it out, not hire it out.
Unregulated capitalism: Hmmm...you may have a point. Off with their heads!
It won't work: Oh fiddle sticks, look at how long some of these bridges and roads lasted. Another gormless duff who must find something to whinge about. Congratulations, you just brassed off 50 Million Americans. If I were you, I'd hang my head in shame. You should be banished for all eternity.
Socio-economic status: You've completely lost me.
School prayer: I often prayed everytime we received our mid-quarter grades.
Sorry, dummy, we are out of time.... and your comments are just plain stupid.
"Untrained advice"
"THE BEST advice for lay people who want to offer advice for school reform is to offer no advice. Educators are professionals and should be allowed to sort it out. "
>>>>>>> American school children have been deliberately dumbded down and indoctinated with a variety of propaganda, to the point that we have some of the most ingnorant, dumb-s*it kids on planet earth.
Once the pride of the world in education, now, America school children rank behind former Soviet Russia states such as Lativa in Science and Math. Our ranking is between 17th and 25th the last time that I checked.
What is laughingly called school teachers these days are little more than propagandists and glorified day care workers. About ten years ago, "teachers" even wanted to be referred to as "facilitators." They thought that their job was to sit in the classroom and observe, as a student who they deemed had a grasp of the subject matter, taught the class.
No, sorry, Hell No, we will not sit back and allow what you have termed "professionals" work it out. Each year, we graduate students who cannot read, write, or, do math at the 8th grade level. It is not up to you to fix it, you, the school teacher, and your crappy-a*s cirriculum is the problem. You have filled the class day with assemblies, dioramas, glorified fingerpainting, mind numbing crap about homosexuals, recycling, saving planet earth, and other crap that you get the agenda and materials from outside pressure groups. No wonder the kids can't read, or, do math, their heads are full of junk propaganda and disfunctional thoughts from you and your pressure groups.
Quit propagandizing, quit giving incredible amounts of homework, and teach the subject in class. If you can't teach, if you are not smart enough to teach, then find work in the state, or, federal government and allow us to find people who can teach.
"I am proud to say that Rush Limbaugh is from Southeast Missouri."
Big deal, he doesn't live here, does he? Damn, some of you doofus bast*rds are just so full of "pride," that it is sickening. "Proud to be an American".....if you weren't so damn stupid, you would realize that someone from Serbia is PROUD TO BE A SERBIAN, or, that a Japanese person is PROUD TO BE JAPANESE... you rattle that crap about being "PROUD TO BE AMERICAN" off like you had invented something clever, and new.
Rush Limbaugh is defaming toward and name calls his critics, so, if those who do not consider Rush to be the genius that you do call him names in return, just unknot your panties and have a seat in his cheer section. It will pass.
Besides, you do know that "Pride" is a sin for which you will go to hell and burn in the eternal lake of fire until you are nice an toasty.
"Unregulated capitalism"
Yep, you are 100% correct. You do know which is the party of deregualtion, and fights attempts to label products as to contents, and country of orign don't you?
Now, that the Democrats are in control, with twits like Nancy Pelosi in charge, I doubt that anything will change. Party labels and pre-election talk is all a sham, a farce, a little play acting by them, to keep us off balanced and hugging our party labels close to our chest, while both parties set about to scu us blind.
Choosing Rohm Emanuel should have put any doubts, or, hopes for that matter to rest. Now, with Robert Gates, and that New York Federal Reserve head, Gietner? picked for his cabinet, sign your souls over to the Devil, because all hope of reform, recovery, of real change is lost.
Get ready to put on your WPA uniform, and join Obama Workers Brigade. It is all about globalism, making money for a very few and to hell with us. The sooner that you realize that, the sooner the 2nd War of Independence can begin.
AMMO..... THE BEST HEDGE FUND
If you had bought a 1,000 round case of .308, 7.62x39 (SKS & AK-47), or, .223 three years ago at about $100 a case, today, you would have an investment worth 4 to 5 times your original purchase price.
AMMO.... still the best buy for smart investors.
AMMO.....
Actually, I saw an ad for 1,000 rounds of .308 ammo in SHOTGUN NEWS for $659... meaning a SIX times profit over the 2005 price of right around $100-$120 back then.
Remember, without ammo, your rifle is just a club. Look at who is in the White House now, and see the price of ammo. It is no accident, they are trying to slowly dry up the supply of ammo so you don't realize what is happening.
I agree Goodbody...I used to work for a State government agency. We were required to do a large amount of writing. These jobs were for "degreed professionals" and the majority of these "professionals" couldn't even spell words correctly, formulate a simple sentence, develop a paragraph, etc. Not only did these individuals pass through the terrible government school system, they were able to pass through post-secondary schools sponsored by the State. It really is sad that we settle for average or less-than-average performance in school and then it spills over into the workplace. I won't even get started on the poor work ethic of our younger generation.
FXPWT--
The rate over here is higher because they were allowed to pass themselves an increase in the rate earlier this year...so we knew it was going up and unfortunately, there wasn't much anyone can do about it since electric is a non-competitive monopoly.
Willy Makit--
I wouldn't switch to gas if you paid me to. Our previous home had gas and my bill was almost twice as high as on electric with my baseboard heating. I would like to have a pellet stove but we can't afford to buy one at the moment and I have had trouble getting the insurance company to commit to it being included in the policy if installed.
At my old house (also in illinois) it took over $600 to fill half of the tank with propane...and that only ran for about three months (and only ran the heating, water heater, and cookstove). Still had that lovely electric bill on top of it.
Perhaps it is a difference in the type of home we have or something...*shrugs*
Proportional Limits---
You need to revist your study of the Constitution and it's tenets.
Knucklehead.... have you read?
Just wondered if you had read "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt?
"Iserbyt served as Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration, where she first blew the whistle on a major technology initiative which would control curriculum in America's classrooms"
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/
Her book, the "Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" is here, as several sections, in pdf form.
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/pages/pdf_downloads.html
I just love it when these dummies cry that it is the parent's fault and that the parent needs to be more involved. Back in the '50's and '60's, many mothers were home and could help their children with homework.
But, as it was then, and it is now. It is the alleged "teacher" who is being paid to teach, not the parent.
morning all
Bethie
Hope all is well with the little guy!
morning semoangel
r u ready for turkey day ?
Proportional limits: You have a natural right to defend yourself and only you can make the judgment on what it takes. Self defense is not a collective action.
GOP's future is following in the footsteps of the Democrats. I seen it on C-Span, the Republican discussion on how to rebuild the party. They have, like the Democrats, realized that the voters demand national socialism.
Goodbody, you need to contact the Cape Girardeau sewage treatment plant so that they can help remove that crap you seem to be full of today!
Questioning Obama??
Sounds like Babe wrote that one!
Semo--
He is doing wonderful. Getting big too quick.
Questioning Obama: I have nothing personal against Bush or Obama. I think that they are or will be pawns of the elite power brokers. I also believe that the office of president has become a front for miscreant behavior.
Leaning on government: I want a bigger check like AIG and Citi. I want paid for bad decisions that I have made over the years.
Untrained advice: If you are so well trained then why are the children doing so poorly in school?
Unregulated capitalism: We don't have unregulated capitalism in this country, we have national socialism. Everything is government's fault because it controls everything.
Untrained advice: If you are so well trained then why are the children doing so poorly in school?
-- Posted by Hilleco on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 8:37 am CDT
Limits, restrictions, lack of respect for education.
Untrained advice: If you are so well trained then why are the children doing so poorly in school?
-- Posted by Hilleco on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 8:37 am CDT
To Suelynn's post I would add...."attitude", from students, parents and community. Notice the communities with lots of school pride and involvement, seem to do better.
I would also add that NOT all children are doing poorly in school. Unfortunately there are ALWAYS some who will not excel, and that is why "no child left behind", is not practical.
rick
as ready as will ever be. Holidays have become a day of running for us mornings at the lake with my family and then back here for dinner with his. Spend as much time in the car as we do anything else.
it won't work
I hadn't heard of this plan. Perhaps Obama is 'channeling' FDR.
Mr. Goodbody, I am surprised, but I agree with you about schools. Too much PC, assembly, teacher days, etc. and not enough of the three R's. And for gosh sakes, DON'T let them use calculators for basic math. There is a decade's worth of people out there who can't subtract $4.75 from $10.00 in their heads and don't know "their" from "they're" from "their."
May I add one thing about the tests comparing students from different countries: In the US all students are tested, whereas in many of the other countries only college-track students are tested, so in some cases it's not really apples and apples.
socio-economic
Oh good grief...now we are supposed to send the parents to college and get them jobs...based on a myth.
Megal,
What about Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthew, Rachel Maddow, etc? Are they not carrying the water for BO and the liberal views of about 1/2 the country?
-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 8:20 am CDT
Was the SO caller addressing those individuals?
"I would also add that NOT all children are doing poorly in school. Unfortunately there are ALWAYS some who will not excel, and that is why "no child left behind", is not practical".
Posted by: Theorist
I would also add that the same could be said of many Teachers!
Mega
So...are you Australian or English?
Just my...
Obviously, one person's dung is another's tresor and visa versa. :-)~
...Have a great holiday everyone! Save travels!
PC in schools: Yes, there was a time that a ruler had multiple uses, none of which had to do with drawing straight lines or measuring inch worms. We need to return to the basics. The 3Rs
(which makes no sense really since we are talking about Reading, Writing, and Arithmetic, while all three words contain Rs, they also contain I's)
However, it may be FDRs three Rs that would be more appropriate. Relief, Recovery, Reform OR...we could use the key tenet used in the Hartland Consolidated schools. Reason, Respect, and Responsibility.
Eitherway, RWA or RRR we're getting a good lesson in acronyms and the alphabet. That being said, one need go no further than the pantry in order to educate themselves in a reasonable fashion. Thank the good heavens for Campbell's Alphabet soup, or I may never have passed kindergarten.
Hmmm...I speak English; therefore, I must be English. Make any sense?
Mega
You speak 'gobsmacked' English.
Theorist,
Gots to disagree with your logic regarding the NCLB Act...the act does NOT expect every child to "excel". It requires every child to be taught to a minimum level of academic expectation. That minimum level is established by a committee of MO teachers.
Expressed attitudes--misunderstanding what the act actually says and stands for--like that is ONE example of A broken link in our system (there are a few broken links).
To hit a target, the first step is understanding and aiming at the "right" goal. NOT exaggerating the goal and whining that it can not be accomplished.
Actually, I think you're a bit confuddled. Gobsmacked means flabbergasted or...dumbfounded, which at times could describe me person. In truth it's more Cockney.
I agree with Goodbody about Charlotte Iserbyt. I would recommend reading Deliberate Dumbing down of America for everyone. It is free on the INTERNET in pdf. This woman speaks the real truth about "education."
The right to bear arms was & is our protection against an "out of control government" in case "we the people" need rise up in revolution...
Rush Limbaugh is just an entertainer , he just stirs the pot & has no answers or solutions...
"No child left behind" I can't remember when I started hearing this term somewhere about the time I saw the sign on Jefferson School "Parents as Teachers"
what an original idea , DUH there may be a reason some kids are left behind...
Melange...
The NCLB Act...was established to set high expectations and establish measurable goals to improve
individual outcomes in education.
It does not work, and this is where I did not communicate what I meant....because, measurable goals cannot always be attained. i.e. a child can be learning, but may still perform poorly on a standardised test.
So....where you might feel your school district is failing, may not actually be the truth. Isn't an educators REAL goal to educate functioning members of society? This is not always measurable!
Melange....
Not whining....perhaps I did not communicate effectively, but you jumped to the wrong conclusion!
Socio-economic status: I think that schools should all be private. Perhaps then will educators stop treating the children as lab-rats in one experiment after another (NCLB and other nonsensical crap) or merely as things.
RE: Proportional limits
Please, allow me to make a First Amendment analogy.
Would it be constitutionally acceptable to ban books as long as newspapers - a viable substitute source of expression - were still legal?
Proportional Limits
As is so often the case, you reveal yourself in your introduction by describing those who oppose further gun controls as gun loving “extremists”. You are not open to any other position so you should not even pose the question, but rather put it in the form of an outright accusation, at least that would demonstrate some intellectual honesty.
Fortunately “we” do not interpret the meaning and unfortunately the courts do and have in my opinion gone too far in limiting this “natural right”.
Read some history especially the Federalist Papers, this “right” is not connected only to defense against robbery or personal attack, but as was mentioned by another poster an out of control government in which the number of “aggressors” would make “Scarface” seem minimal.
This “natural right” is not limited to the world in which we live, but also in the world as it may become.
"President-elect Barack Obama appointed former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker on Wednesday to be the chairman of a new White House advisory board tasked with helping to lift the nation from recession and stabilize financial markets."
Theorist,
It is also a goal for Teachers to be "functioning members of Society"! I find it ironic that several always put the blame on Parents and Students.If we
would demand that the Government get out of the buisness of educating our young than perhaps we may
gain some ground on our failed school system.The fact is too many want to throw dirt and forget that when they do they loose ground.Our schools have lost too much ground and its time we stop playing in the dirt and get down to the buisness of a good education for all.JMO
...yes
Just...
You posted "And so, I would ask are you purposely leaving out Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, etc? "
And here in lies the real difference between the two sides.....Laughing
The more liberal posters from speak out do not follow Matthews et.al.(that is why they are not considered), and are able to ascertain truth from fiction. The more conservative posters seem more inclined to follow Rush et.al. (just ask Babe, he gets advice from her) and do not understand the concept of drama and exaggeration equals higher ratings...
Just...
You posted "And so, I would ask are you purposely leaving out Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, etc? "
And here in lies the real difference between the two sides.....Laughing
The more liberal posters from speak out do not follow Matthews et.al.(that is why they are not considered), and are able to ascertain truth from fiction. The more conservative posters seem more inclined to follow Rush et.al. (just ask Babe, he gets advice from her) and do not understand the concept of drama and exaggeration equals higher ratings...
This “natural right” is not limited to the world in which we live, but also in the world as it may become.
-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 10:42 am CDT
An alarmist....why do you assume the worst? Why not make the place you are in (at) now, the best it can be and quit looking for disaster?
Greywolf,
you posted..."Our schools have lost too much ground"
What on "earth" are you talking about? The students we are graduating now are not only brighter, but more prepared to enter society than in the past.
No, the system isn't perfect, but it has improved immensely over the days of "spare the rod" mentality.
please excuse the double post....(sigh)
Theorist,
I knew you could not resist.
There is really no need for name calling and I accept that nothing I can say will change your preconceived notions about this issue or me so I won't even try.
Did I call someone a name?
Not my intent, just wanted to "alarm" the readers....laughing
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Barbara Bush has had surgery for a perforated ulcer and will be hospitalized until next week.
Theorist,
Yes, actually you did and you are too intelligent to pretend that you didn't.
GreyWolf
Is this an example of how you feel about the schools?
Theorist,
No, I'm afraid I didn't jump to the wrong conclusion. You see, no matter the topic...there has to be a system of measure when trying to reach a goal.
Sure, what you say MAY be true...for example...SOME...may NOT perform well on a test, thus not a "perfect" measure...but there rarely is such a thing as a perfect measure. I agree...there must always be a "test" (borrowed that thought from a school board member...can't recall which one said it).
One can look at drop-out rates and see our district's are failing somewhere along the way. (which IMO are NOT NCLB act's fault...running short of time..but in short...NCLB is JUST getting rolling as far as holding schools/teachers accountable.)
"Hope for the best and prepare for the worst".
Just....
Planning for the future is not quite the same as planning for disaster...
I may even have an "earthquake prepared" box, but it is not filled with guns and ammo to keep my neighbors from stealing it!
Actually, come to think of it, the guns and ammo would probably entice my neighbors to steal it.....
GreyWolf
OOPS...I forgot the link.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-thanksgiving25-2008nov25,0,1458033.story
Los Angeles April 29, 1992 really happened and it caught many unprepared. Hope had little impact.
Herr
Got your post late last night. Didn't get to bed till way late so slept in this morning. Guess it's safe to get on here now, been waiting because there has been a lot of gun talk etc. and one needs to stay safe.
Kind of figured you were jesting about the business venture, that's why I suggested the screen doors as a product line.
While in business we did not really do anything with a Junior Achievement Group per se, although we almost always had some students high school, trade, school college boys working as helpers in the summer. Many of the schools asked to make these placements. So far as the girls, we had a lot of different high school kids work in the office over the years, in the afternoons mostly as a co-op type thing where they were on a work release program and we had to give them a grade for performance. Work release kind of sounds like a prison thing doesn't it? I think it was a good program, the kids gained hands on experience and money in their pockets, while we had extra help during the busier times. Don't know exactly what you had in mind but a formal program to help some of these kids get some experience would be great.
It does appear we share more than one common interest. I understand your prodding to see if people are awake. Something to think about.... I have always heard that a sure sign of an impending mental breakdown was to start taking yourself too seriously! If that is true, there are some people on here in immediate danger if or not they recognize it.
Regards the snooping around in cemeteries etc., don't know how organized I am, sometimes think not very. Always glad to share information, although not necessarily here. Maybe a meeting could be arranged over a cup of coffee or something. We could wear trench coats and a flower in our lapel or something so we recognized one another. Bet that would drag in some extra business for the owner of the spoon we met at. My history and genealogy interests run in the pre-civil war era through about 1900 for Cape and Bollinger counties mostly. Currently not living here but stay in touch daily. Some of my friends and relatives think I am a little soft in the head, that's ok, wait till they read what I have to say about them in my notes.
Cor Blimey! It appears will now have to dissect the SO callers translated prose.
Questioning Obama
I Just as you have the right to your opinion, so does he. Just because his opinion is different from yours doesn't mean he is wrong. (But he is wrong, quite often)
I think the American people have the right to know just who Barack Obama really is. (Hmm....who he is? You mean, some terrorist bloke has made it through the entire electorial process at the state and federal levels without being apprehended by the Department of Homeland Security, and not dashed off to Guantanamo? There must be a lapse in security!)
We don't know that yet, which is why people like Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham are worried about where our nation is headed under his presidency. (Hmm...Nope, I don't see any mention of Matthews, Olberman, or any other liberal typish news media mentioned here)
I am scared to death. (Of course she is. She's been land bashed by War mongering Blue on Blue media merchants like...Limbaugh, Hannity, and Ingraham.)
Educated...well informed? Not likely, more apt blinkered by gormless whinges who launch their grandiose tyriads in order to stoke their ratiings.
Cor Blimey! It appears will now have to dissect the SO callers translated prose.
Questioning Obama
I Just as you have the right to your opinion, so does he. Just because his opinion is different from yours doesn't mean he is wrong. (But he is wrong, quite often)
I think the American people have the right to know just who Barack Obama really is. (Hmm....who he is? You mean, some terrorist bloke has made it through the entire electorial process at the state and federal levels without being apprehended by the Department of Homeland Security, and not dashed off to Guantanamo? There must be a lapse in security!)
We don't know that yet, which is why people like Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham are worried about where our nation is headed under his presidency. (Hmm...Nope, I don't see any mention of Matthews, Olberman, or any other liberal typish news media mentioned here)
I am scared to death. (Of course she is. She's been land bashed by War mongering Blue on Blue media merchants like...Limbaugh, Hannity, and Ingraham.)
Educated...well informed? Not likely, more apt blinkered by gormless whinges who launch their grandiose tyriads in order to stoke their ratiings.
Theorist,
Ok since you KNOW it ALL our kids are the most well educated on Earth...What a joke! I have had SEVERAL exchange students over the last 15 years and let me be the first to tell you Miss "Know it all" all of these kids were far more advanced in their education than ALL of the students at Cape or Jackson! Four of them would have been top of their class if not for being a foreign exchange student where that does not count!Yep go on thinking our educational system is wonderful, while the rest of the planet is excelling in every subject
including ENGLISH ! "What on Earth Am I talking about"?
Join the real world cause your out of touch.Sorry Girl,
the world is not the perfect place you seem to think it is.By the way, My best student (all were straight A)
was lelde from Latvia. A very small Baltic State with a very poor economy beats the crap out of our school sytem.By 2025 this Country will NOT be the super power we have enjoyed in our lifetime partly because our eductional system is failing and it is not only the fault of bad parenting! I wonder, how many kids do you have? Are they as smarty pants as you?
Theorist,
You are a naive and idealistic individual with no knowledge of or appreciation of how the world really works and what otherwise good people or the government is capable of or prepared to do in exigent circumstances.
If anything ever happens, you will cower in the corner like a little child awaiting the rescue by someone who is better prepared than you. Fortunately for you, help will probably come. It will likely be in the form of someone whom you now consider an “alarmist” or “unenlightened”. They will selflessly risk their life to pull your fat out of the fire and you will be grateful for men or women like them. However, once the danger passes, you will revert to your present state of intellectual immaturity and resume your attacks on those who believe differently than you.
An alarmist....why do you assume the worst? Why not make the place you are in (at) now, the best it can be and quit looking for disaster?
-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 10:56 am CDT
Not looking for it just prepared for it. You have insurance don't you? Does that make you an alarmist?
Megalomania
"You mean, some terrorist bloke has made it through the entire electorial process at the state and federal levels without being apprehended by the Department of Homeland Security, and not dashed off to Guantanamo? There must be a lapse in security!)"
Sssshhhhh...you're not allowed to talk of security clearances for candidates.
Greywolf,
Surely you realize your exchange students were the "cream of the crop"!
Actually, I am tired of you and others putting our youth down. Are you working with them daily? Do you have children this age? Do you really know any of them?
We test everyone in school (which is supposed to be every school age child). Other countries are testing only their best!
Greywolf, take a breath. You and Theorist both have good cases. You're exchange students were likely the cream of the crop. And you can't deny that we produce some pretty sharp students here, too. Education and the Education System, especially in a free society, will always expose it's thorns and roses. When good parenting meets good teaching, good things happen. Otherwise, they might not.
Ha, imagine that, me and Theorist on the same page. Maybe we all need to take a breath.
Just a question.
If we are doing so well in education, why is the United States somewhere around 26 or 27 in Mathematics in the World?
KCPO...
Who are you attacking and why? When you know something, say it. But right now, you couldn't be further off!!
Theorist said,"Actually, I am tired of you and others putting our youth down. Are you working with them daily? Do you have children this age? Do you really know any of them?
Frankly I could care less what you are tired of! I am tired of your idealistic remarks as well as your know it all attitude!Hows that? NO i do not have school aged children. My two boys are adults. When they were attending school I fought toothe and nails against several "know it all" Teachers like yourself.I was VERY involved with their education but that was 13 years ago.The foreign exchange students I had were all since then.Your wrong girl, just have enough intestinal fortitude to realize that! This Country is lacking far behind in educating our young than MANY Countries and I am sure you can research that statement and find out yourself that its true!
Now lets talk about testing! Lets test the Teachers as well.Lets also test the administrators.Yep, Iam tired too Theorist.Do some research and come back and tell me our children are better educated than other Countries!The system is failing and thats that!
I sure hope you are not a Teacher.If so, you have too much time on your hands.
I just did, I dealt with people like you all my career and you are easy to recognize. One of the common characteristics is denial and strong feelings of superiority.
Theorist: Greywolf is not putting the children down as compared to an education system that experiments on them like lab-rats or treats them as things that must be controlled. To allow an institution (government) that benefits from failure to educate children is the problem and it can't be cured by allowing government to continue their experiments.
Dancing? I'm not waffling around at'all. The SO caller comment doesn't even mention those individuals. Therefore, addressing them is a moot issue.
Have_Wheels: - LOCAL HISTORY SNOOPIN' INTEL
I just had time to peek in the Bog and see if ya found my post to you last night. Glad ya did. I gotta get over to Cape and back before evening, as I'll then be stuck on 24-hr duty for the rest of the long weekend; don't know if I'll be bellyflopping in the Bog much over the weekend 'cause, as Murph's Law mandates, if I try to do something that's when I'll get a case call, and sometimes they can last for hours! Even so, I wanted to reply to your post today, as you seem to be into some pretty interesting topics.
Yup, I like the idea of marketing screen doors on subs! Perhaps an extended product line of glass-bottomed ASW destroyers in lieu of sonar systems would be a good sell too...gotta "save the whales" donchaknow?!! Since the virual business would be a temporary grab-&-run (off shore?) endeavor, I should ponder setting it up as a Junior Achievement program, ya think?! Seriously, though, I thought the JA program was such a great experience for both teens and professional advisors alike, I'd do it again if such a program surfaced in this area.
Since you say you're not living in the area, are ya very far away? Your interests statement about pre-CW era to the 1900s in Cape/Bollinger counties grabbed my eyeballs' attention...or at least the one that's still workin' OK! Sunshine_In_Jackson seems to be privy to some neat local historic stuff too, so maybe we could arrange a sorta three-way covert meeting in his (or her) store, huh? A little "show-and-tell" may be in order, just for grins if nothing else.
More seriously again (if I can avoid hurting myself with serious stuff!), I'm not exactly getting any younger and, being a fair weather snooper, there's some leads I want to check out next Spring, some of which may require metal detectors. I've hinted before about some things I've got plotted on topo maps, and would always be interested in more goodies. And I could use a few partners to compare notes with, and also abide with that old metal detectors credo...about keeping our mouths somewhat shut if we actually find something neat. Anyway, this local history stuff is a heck of a lot more fun than the same ole boring political junk.
Being a cemetary snooper, Wheels, here's a lead just for you, if you're not already aware of it...actually, it's just one headstone, but fun to look for. Are you familiar with the Old Military Road? I once plotted it on topos from the Miss R. to Greenville, in Wayne County; however, a friend has it plotted on his computer all the way into TX! Anyway, if you're on a part of the OMR that was still drivable (when I was there) not far from Grassy in B-County, you can probably still find a headstone of a Yankee, W.W. Wood, who died and was buried right by the road...the story has it that care of the grave caused a bit of consternation among some of the Reb/Yank factions in the area. If you're heading West towards Grassy on the OMR, you should be able to spot the marker on your left in the brush right beside the road. I've got plotted (and been there) another wayward headstone by some railroad tracks belonging to a slave plantation (haunted, they say) in Perry County, but that's a little more difficult to describe without showing the location to you on a topo map...access is only by walking a couple of miles up the tracks.
OK. Enough bloviating for now. Gotta git to gittin' to Cape and fetch Mule' supplies for the weekend...or else (and her "else" may not be so pleasurable!!) Hope Ya stay in touch.
You're just such a cheeky fellow.
I see he is back in yet another incarnation.
Just,
Here's you're blooming cyber bullying info.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081126/ap_on_re_us/internet_suicide
*snicker*
Yes!!!!!! My Ford stock is off and a way, I've double me money in less than a week.
Whinging over Obama still? It's going to be a long eight years for you. Perhaps you'd like to defect to the UK?
Herr and Wheels
Do yall ever do tracings of tombstones?
This cyber bullying case is a farce. No one can drive another person to commit suicide.
You're not being very thankful chap.
Babe, I completely agree.
For if that were the case, several of us in this forum
would be dead already!
Drive them? No. Cyber them to death...yes. I've been almost drawn to slit me own throat over a trojan or spam mail.
Megal,
Thanks for the cyber bullyinfo ... but your game is just a bit pony, and you come off like a man with his boat up his bottle.
-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 2:28 pm CDT
Yes, that would be the crude definition of a megalomaniac.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqpoDLnZmdw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGZkC-pd-2E&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQuBfvtBDk8&feature=related
My God British comedy sux
Producer, you must have a stiff sense of humour. Sorry bloke, laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone.
I suppose, Herr, that along with all your other stubborn traits, you don't bother to get your flu shot every year? SIGH Glad to hear your little 'bugs' have decided to abandon you ... Perhaps they've heard of my Grandma's home remedies I was thinking about piling upon you.
Wish we'd had something like 'junior achievement' back when I was young. My only youthful (more or less youthful) achievements were having babies and learning how to cook something beside ground beef and weiner dishes, etc.
LEANING ON GOVERNMENT: Actually ... I've seen/heard few complaints from Seniors about their SS checks not being 'big enough.' I am, however, waiting for our government to 'take some responsibility' when it comes to budgeting and being 'prepared to meet' all our 'needs.'
IT WON'T WORK: Well ... without going into detail ... yes, it could.
black_shadow, you're very perceptive. ~wink~
Just for fun, thought I'd mention a question to Pops last evening: Asked him if he'd heard anything about Palin resigning from her governorship. I do NOT understand why, after all these years, he does not always appreciate my sense of humor. SIGH
Applause, please, for not posting all the opinions I was going to on education.
legalize marijauna...
Rick: Law
"The law perverted! And the police powers of the state perverted along with it! The law, I say, not only turned from its proper purpose but made to follow an entirely contrary purpose! The law become the weapon of every kind of greed! Instead of checking crime, the law itself guilty of the evils it is supposed to punish!"--Frederic Bastiat “The Law”
As if the present perversion isn't enough, we need more laws, rules, and regulations to complement the greed.
Oh, gosh, Just_Me, I HOPE I'm not included in your "etc." ~smiling~
Just_Me,
Good one on pessimist.
You of all people know one does not "debate" Theorist.
Back to work, one hour of sunlight left.
GREYWOLF,
Re: Your 2:25 pm post...I chuckled at your reply.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hum...I am glad someone brought this case up. The jury found Drew guilty of three lesser misdemeanor counts, but not one of the felony counts.
No one should need laws to teach them this mother's behavior was wrong! But it appears we DO need them.
What a fine example this mother and the law is teaching our youth! Do anything you please and to heck with the consequences your choices have on others.
Babe
Don't know about Herr but I will occasionally. Nothing that I try to do for saving, just to get the name and dates correct at least as they are written on the stone. A friend and I once were asked to look at an ordinary stone that appeared to have a date on it. This lady had picked it up with other stones for her rock garden and noticed the date as she was setting it into place where she wanted it. It did have a date on it and we, at her insistance, told her while not certain, it was most likely from an old grave where they had chiseled a date in a common field stone. She screeched, OMG I'm a grave robber. However where she had found it, it was unlikely it was within a hundred yards of where it once came from.
Herr
I was not involved in Junior Achievement in high school but my sister was. They made french bread once a week in a bakery after hours. If I remember correctly, they sold the bread wholesale to the baker. They kept their own books and allocated reinvestment in supplies and pocketed some profit.
Someone... (perhaps Mom?)
Please change Just_Me_and_My_Opinion's diaper "dung" is getting really old and stinky!
MeLange
Didn't the young girl and her family have the "choice" of not turning on the computer or being selective of the sites she visited?
Re: Cyber bullying
The felony charge had nothing to do with the bullying behavior. It was for accessing protected computers without authorization. If found guilty, it would have been a crime no matter the circumstances.
BABE
my brother was in Junior Achievement for two years ...
they had to run their own little company but i can't
remember what they sold ...too many beers ago , dontchaknow..
Babe,
Sure they did. Yet, try looking at this case in a more traditional enviroment. YOUR child walks to the park to play with her friends. A mother dresses up like a kid and pretends to be your child's friend.
Why would you consider keeping your child from the park at this point? Then later, the mother dressed as a kid brow-beats your child emotionally to the point of suicide.
Is that acceptable behavior?
MeLange
I cannot go down this road of your convoluted logic.
MR DUCKS
MR NOT
OSAR
CM WINGS
LIB MR DUCKS
Babe,
And why would I expect you to understand respect and/or just being nice to other people? Happy Thanksgiving, dear!
I just read this on the internet... so it must be so!
Pending Legislation: AWNAA Act
Washington, DC
Congress is considering sweeping legislation that will provide new benefits for many Americans. The Americans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA) is being hailed as a major legislative goal by advocates of the millions of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition.
"Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society," said California Senator Barbara Boxer. "We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability to be ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of workers, simply because they have some idea of what they are doing."
In a Capitol Hill press conference, House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pointed to the success of the U.S. ****** Service, which has a long-standing policy of providing opportunity without regard to performance. Approximately 74 percent of ****** employees lack any marketable job skills, making this agency the single largest U.S. employer of Persons of Inability.
Private-sector industries with good records of non-discrimination against the Inept include retail sales (62%), the airline industry (68%), and home improvement "warehouse" stores (85%). At the state government level, the Department of Motor Vehicles also has an excellent record of hiring Persons of Inability (89%).
Under the Americans With No Abilities Act, more than 25 million "middle man" positions will be created, with important-sounding titles but little real responsibility, thus providing an illusory sense of purpose and performance.
Mandatory non-performance based raises and promotions will be given so as to guarantee upward mobility for even the most unremarkable employees. The legislation provides substantial tax breaks to corporations that promote a significant number of Persons of Inability into middle-management positions, and gives a tax credit to small and medium-sized businesses that agree to hire one clueless worker for! every two competent hires.
Finally, the AWNAA contains tough new measures to make it more difficult to discriminate against the Non-abled. For example, banning discriminatory interview questions such as, "Do you have any skills or experience that relate to this job?"
"As a Non-abled person, I can't be expected to keep up with people who have something going for them," said Mary Lou Gertz, who lost her position as a lug-nut starter at the GM plant in Flint, Michigan due to her inability to remember righty-tightey, lefty-loosey. "This new law should be real good for people like me," ! Gertz added. With the passage of this bill, Gertz and millions of other untalented citizens will finally see a light at the end of the tunnel, and it won't be coming from the front of a fast-approaching train.
Said Senator Dick Durban (D-IL): "As a Senator with no real abilities, I believe the same privileges that elected officials enjoy ought to be extended! to every American with no abilities. It is our duty as lawmakers to provide each and every American citizen, regardless of his or her adequacy, with some sort of space to take up in this great nation and a good salary for doing so."
Herr
Just to acknowledge that I read your post and will look forward to more next week. Understand you are busy. I should be!
I am drooling at the thought of some unknown nuggets of history that someone may possess.
Bethie - in regards to your post of 0756 today (warning to others - more energy ramblings - another very long post follows)
An electric cooperative is a unique business in that the owners are also the customers, at least in theory. It would be an interesting conversation to call up one of the board members who have been chosen to represent your interests, and tell them that as a customer - you are not happy with the rates, and as an owner, you demand an explanation as to why the rates are so much higher than the cooperatives in Missouri.
Here are the rates for Black River Cooperative, serving up around the Fredericktown area http://www.brec.coop/BillingPayments/Rates/tabid/79/Default.aspx
The rates for SEMO Cooperative, serving rural portions of the Cape and Sikeston areas
http://www.semoelectric.coop/rates.asp
And, finally the rates in Southern IL - big bucks, lotsa whammies!
http://www.siec.org/billing.html
In general, any 'profits' or margins that a cooperative experiences should either be returned to the owners/customers in the form of patronage payments, used for debt service, or used to improve and to enhance the services provided. A good portion of the profits for an IOU goes to service dividend payments to stockholders.
Not sure exactly how the Illinois systems work - here in Missouri, the investor-owned utilities (IOUs) such as Ameren and Kansas City Power and Light fall under the regulation and oversight of the Public Service Commission. This regulation and oversight is the trade-off for the IOU being granted a monopoly for their service territory. Cooperatives, however, are not subject to such regulation.
There are upward cost pressures to consider - costs of operating coal-based plants have increased dramatically in the last 10 years due to increases in delivered coal costs, higher maintenance costs to keep the aging facilities running well, and the costs of installing and operating expensive environmental emission-control equipment to meet increasingly stringent emission targets. Costs of natural-gas fueled plants are higher due to the higher average cost of natural gas as compared to coal as well as the volatility in the wholesale price that makes it difficult to predict average generation costs for use in billing and budgeting. Labor has increased at a predictable and mostly controllable rate, but materials such as poles, wire, and transformers have skyrocketed recently. The utility's staff certainly doesn't want to come up on the short-end with budgeting for next year, so they will likely guess on the high side.
Should the utility not own sufficient generation resources and need to buy power on the open market, that power generally comes from the most expensive generating units - those utilities that have excess power to sell are going to keep the lower cost power for use in their own service area to maximize their profits or margins, and only release the higher cost excess power for sale elsewhere. Also, smaller generation units are more costly than their larger counterparts of the same type on a per-kilowatt basis - an economies-of-scale thing.
Then there's the disadvantage of rural systems - typically talked about in the number of 'meters per mile'. A rural system has a lower population density which results in the costs for maintaining their transmission lines and transformers to be spread out among fewer people as compared to a 'city' system.
As far as a deregulated system where one has the choice of whom to buy power from - this 'transmission and distribution' cost component would likely remain constant. After all, there would be little benefit to having several different power lines from different utilities running down essentially the same routes - one of the reasons for granting monopolies to utilities, with the hook that there will be regulatory oversight for rates, at least for the IOUs.
Deregulation efforts across the nation have had a few successes and a lot of failures - Illinois being one - a result of the regional supply and demand not being in balance at the get-go, IMO. Deregulation is a good concept that was executed poorly in many areas, and unfortunately it is nearly-impossible to un-deregulate without major pains - essentially trying to uncobble the train wreck. Once deregulation has failed in an area, it would be difficult to convince people to try again. One question I would have is that if a cooperative isn't regulated to begin with, how would one go about deregulating it?
A very rough rule-of-thumb is that about half of the residential end-user cost is for the costs of power generation, and the other half is for the costs to transport it from the power plant to the individual meters.
Now, why there is such a large difference in end-user costs between similar rural systems is one of the questions that a member of the board should be able to explain. How much different are their costs per kilowatt as compared to others, and why? How much money is being rolled back into system improvements as compared to others? What are the differences in system service area and number of customers served as compared to other systems? And so on. The annual meeting or picnic that many cooperatives hold would be a good place to ask these questions out in the open so that their responses could be shared with many other owner/members who most likely will also want to know.
Wheels,
That is pretty funny!
Red....
You of all people know one does not "debate" Theorist.
And why sir, is that?
Bald Guy
Funny until you start wondering how close some of those nitwits in Washington might come with future legislation. After all 50% of the population is below average you know.
Greywolf,
Let me explain something, and please listen with an open mind....
The educational system in Japan, China and other countries works by designating top students to continue their education with a super-rigorous curriculum designed to push students to excel in math and sciences the way top athletes are pushed to excel in world competitions.
Children in these countries are taken away from their homes/families and sent to their destinations to be the most competitive at math, science, athletics, or whatever domain the government has chosen for them.
Are we willing to have the government determine for us where our children are, what they study, how long they study? Isn't this what Hilleco and yourself are against?
BUSH PARDONS SCUMBAGS.... LEAVES BRAVE US BORDER PATROL AGENTS IN HELL.
U.S. Border Patrol agents Ignacios Ramos and Jose Compean remain in prison, persecuted by bush's homosexual sex partner, Texas U.S. Federal Attorney, Johnny Sutton.
"Ramos and Compean were on duty along the Rio Grande in Texas when Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila entered the U.S. illegally, smuggling in 742 pounds of marijuana. When he tried to flee back across the river into Mexico, the two agents attempted to stop him. According to them, Aldrete-Davila brandished a gun. Ramos and Compean discharged their weapons at the suspect, but when he continued to flee, they logically assumed he had not been injured.
Two weeks later, Aldrete-Davila was back in the United States, where he was given full immunity to testify against Ramos and Compean for shooting him in the buttocks. Of course, at trial and afterward, U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton claimed the poor drug smuggler had been “shot in the back.” Sutton continues to spin this line in a vain attempt to sell this wrongful prosecution."
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=21680
Here is a list of the t*rds whom Bush pardoned....
"On the latest pardon list were:
_Leslie Owen Collier of Charleston, Mo. She was convicted for unauthorized use of a pesticide and violating the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act.
(Collier was helped by Charleston good ole boy, and Republican stooge... Lannie Black.) See story in Southeast Missourian.
_Milton Kirk Cordes of Rapid City, S.D. Cordes was convicted of conspiracy to violate the Lacey Act, which prohibits importation into the country of wildlife taken in violation of conservation laws.
_Richard Micheal Culpepper of Mahomet, Ill., who was convicted of making false statements to the federal government.
_Brenda Jean Dolenz-Helmer of Fort Worth, Texas, for reporting or helping cover up a crime.
_Andrew Foster Harley of Falls Church, Va. Harley was convicted of wrongful use and distribution of marijuana and cocaine.
_Obie Gene Helton of Rossville, Ga., whose offense was unauthorized acquisition of food stamps.
_Carey C. Hice Sr. of Travelers Rest, S.C., who was convicted of income tax evasion.
_Geneva Yvonne Hogg of Jacksonville, Fla., convicted of bank embezzlement.
_William Hoyle McCright Jr. of Midland, Texas, who was sentenced for making false entries, books, reports or statements to a bank.
_Paul Julian McCurdy of Sulphur, Okla., who was sentenced for misapplication of bank funds.
_Robert Earl Mohon Jr. of Grant, Ala., who was convicted of conspiracy to distribute marijuana.
_Ronald Alan Mohrhoff of Los Angeles, who was convicted for unlawful use of a telephone in a narcotics felony.
_Daniel Figh Pue III of Conroe, Texas, convicted of illegal treatment, storage and disposal of a hazardous waste without a permit.
_Orion Lynn Vick of White Hall, Ark., who was convicted of aiding and abetting the theft of government property.
Bush also commuted the prison sentences of John Edward Forte of North Brunswick, N.J., and James Russell Harris of Detroit, Mich. Both were convicted of cocaine offenses.
Under the Constitution, the president's power to issue pardons is absolute and cannot be overruled.
Some high-profile individuals, such as Michael Milken, are seeking a pardon on securities fraud charges. Two politicians convicted of public corruption - former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., and four-term Democratic Louisiana Gov. Edwin W. Edwards - are asking Bush to shorten their prison terms.
One hot topic of discussion related to pardons is whether Bush might decide to issue pre-emptive pardons before he leaves office to government employees who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Some constitutional scholars and human rights groups want the incoming administration of President-elect Barack Obama to investigate possible war crimes.
If Bush were to pardon anyone involved, it would provide protection against criminal charges, particularly for people who were following orders or trying to protect the nation with their actions. But it would also be highly controversial.
At the same time, Obama advisers say there is little - if any - chance that his administration would bring criminal charges. "
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081124/D94LJF9G0.html
You will note in the last paragraph, that it seems like the incoming "Obama t*rd" is going to stink as badly as the current "bush t*rd."....and... You thought that we would have change? HO-HO-HO..
Perhaps instead of focusing solely on No Child Left Behind, there needs to be more effort shifted towards No Child Held Back from achieving their potential, geared towards the students that excel but are put in a very boring 'holding pattern' til the rest of the group catches up.
re: Bush pardons
Appears that 'Leslie' is a 'he' - kind of damages the credibility of the source - http://www.semissourian.com/article/20081126/NEWS01/711269875
Fxpwt...
You posted,perhaps we should focus on "No Child Held Back from achieving their potential,"
You may very well be correct!
Goodbody, I agree...these pardons are an unnecessary abuse of power.
THE SO-CALLED, U.S. EDUCATION SYSTEM....
Three of the primary problems in what laughingly passes for education in the US, other than the quality of teachers, and the cirriculum, are the issues of mainstreaming students who ought to spend most, if not all of their day in special ed, ("Inclusion") and forced bi-lingual edcuation.
FLORIDA... may have a solution... Southeast and Three Rivers... take note...
"Florida lawmakers have spent the last several months slashing university budgets, and now they’re looking to the state’s community colleges for help filling some of the universities’ traditional roles.
A handful of Florida community colleges have been offering accredited bachelor’s degrees for years, but last week Gov. Charlie Crist officially sanctioned a bold and controversial plan that will expand that practice and change the complexion of higher education in the state.
At a ceremony Thursday, Crist signed a bill that establishes a new college system in Florida, where a population boom has outpaced the growth and funding of the university system. For supporters, the creation of the “Florida College System” is a reasonable step toward stimulating degree production at a lower cost to the state and would-be students. Critics, however, call the idea yet another rushed plan (in a state that has a history of college governance on the fly) that threatens the traditional missions of community colleges and creates competition with their university partners."
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2008/06/16/florida
Megalomania .... Thank you, and please do enjoy the Thanksgiving holdiay...
gnite
"Are we willing to have the government determine for us where our children are, what they study, how long they study? Isn't this what Hilleco and yourself are against?"
-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 7:58 pm CDT
You are right, I am against these things, so why does the US government do such things? Why does it force children into state mandated cells until they are sixteen? This system is bad enough, and no we should not adopt China's methods. All schools should be private here as well as there. Education should be self interest and not a public interest.
AH, THESE YOUNG PUNKS IN BLUE, SHOWING THEIR SUPPORT and ADMIRATION FOR OUR IRAQ WAR VETERANS....
"Cops force U.S. soldiers to lick 'urine' off ground
Police threaten to file burglary charges against Iraq war veterans if they complain"
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Posted: November 26, 2008
10:08 pm Eastern
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/...
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WorldNetDaily
"Two Iraq war veterans who claim police forced them to lick what was believed to be human urine off the ground have filed a federal civil-rights lawsuit against the officers.
Wisconsin National Guardsmen Sgt. Anthony R. Anderson and Specialist Robert C. Schiman were in the town of Wisconsin Dells on June 1 for weekend training when two police officers accused them of urinating in an alley, the Wisconsin State Journal reported.
The soldiers denied relieving themselves in public.
Officers Wayne W. Thomas, 19, and Collin H. Jacobson, 20, instructed the two-time war veterans to lick the ground and scrape up mud and lick it to prove the substance was not urine – or they would receive citations.
According to the lawsuit, the officers also made Schiman eat a plant soaked in the liquid.
When both men had licked the ground, one of the officers said he hadn't seen it. He instructed Anderson to do it once more, according to the lawsuit.
"That's not good enough," the officer said. "Do you want a ticket?"
(Story continues below)
Officer Jacobson then told a third officer, Scott Albrecht, "I can't stop laughing. Wayne just made those two guys lick their own p-ss off the ground."
When the men told Albrecht what they had been forced to do, he simply stood by while the other police officers threatened to file burglary charges against the soldiers and inform their commanding officer if they complained.
The police officers said no one would believe the veterans, according to the complaint.
The soldiers filed the lawsuit against the city of Wisconsin Dells, its police chief and the three officers Monday in U.S. District Court in Madison, alleging infliction of emotional distress; negligent hiring, training and supervision of the two officers; false imprisonment and violation of their constitutional and civil rights. The guardsmen are each seeking $600,000 in compensatory and punitive damages.
Officer Thomas was fired in June while Jacobson was suspended for two weeks without pay.
fxpwt, Theorist (and Pups),
Re: 8:28 pm CDT post
Why does it have all or nothing?
Is it too much to ask PUBLIC schools/teachers to accomplish both? Meet minimum expectations for ALL and challenge those who excel. Doesn't sound like that "tall" of an order to me. ~shrugs~
I'm pretty sure class room sizes have been reduced drastically (20-30%) over the last 25-30 years. Wasn't improving education for ALL students the motivation as classroom sizes were being reduced?
Geez Louise...why not give teachers less students to teach, lower our expectations of their performance and NOT hold them accountable at all?
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No matter the goal (or job), there will be tasks/steps one enjoys doing and tasks that seem to fall into place naturally. But like life, it is balanced...there always bad with good. The ying and the yang are intertwined and must work together... Thus, there will be task that must be done which are more challenging and take more effort to accomplish. One must greet the bad along side the good.
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Keeping in mind, the first step in changing social attitudes and behaviors begins with education...
IMO...lacking a minimum education requirement with those who struggle is NOT acceptable...IF we want our society to head in a positive direction.
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Following my last statement...some supporting the debate of "holding back" the smart kids are also those who steam over those who are dependent on tax dollar welfare. By suggesting we "forget" minimum education requirements...IMO doing so, would continue to fuel dependency on the welfare system.
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Eh...And for those who would debate "one can not force someone to want to learn" ... On contrary my dear Watsons, I feel it is the basic role of a teacher to motivate ALL students to WANT to learn. Thus, the teacher has failed if even ONE child is not motivated learn.
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One more thought, then I'll step off my soap box...
In any other job/position/career, if one chose to focus only on what was "easy" (teaching those who excelled)... and ignored faucets of their job that were more difficult but necessary (teaching those who struggle)...how long would you have your job?
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And a HAPPY Thanksgiving to all! So much to be thankful for!
h a p p y t h a n k s g i v i n g !
Those bad coppers! I thought donuts were supposed to make one happy. Speaking of which,
Happy Gobblers!
I guess there is no SO today. I hope everyone has a wonderful day.
Babe,
The lack of an official "Speak Out" has never stopped anyone before. After an hour or so, the original comments are all but forgotten. Happy Thanksgiving.
The White House accidently sent invitations to a Hanakka event with a cover picture of a Clydesdale pulling a cart carrying a Christmas tree.
Those blooming coppers are roaming around Broadway and North Kingshighway looking for sealbelt violators. (no I didn't get pulled over) But it bob's my uncle to think they're trying to harass familial units going to gram's house for Gobblers, while the other end of town is getting shot up and stabbed. DO YOUR BLASTED JOBS BLOKES!!! Fight True CRIME, instead of chasing jaywalkers.
Then, I'm trolleying around admiring the christmas decor, and low and behold...Kmart has her blasted doors open sucking in poor prats looking for a deal. Blimey! let your workers enjoy the holiday! 24/7/365 will be the death of this country yet. No wonder corporate america disrespects the blue collar worker, we're like a bunch of coach roaches...we'll eat anything laid before us.
Suggest that it would seem like more of a 'holiday' if more places would close. Would hope that the employers at least ask for volunteers first before assigning people to work who would rather be elsewhere on those days. On the other hand, employees should be aware of the potential for working holidays before they even sign on.
While a return to Sunday Blue Laws may improve the quality of life for some, it may also mean a reduction in total employee hours worked of upwards of 15% which may in turn lead to fewer people employed in those 24/7 type businesses. Quality of life doesn't mean as much when one can't get enough hours in to pay the bills.
Ah, nothing's easy anymore...
Well...we don't necessarily know that as fact. The fact is...if folks "stop" purchasing goods and services on Sundays, (or even other days) the price of those goods and services would drop. (just like the gas) I'd rather work for a dollar a day (and bread be a nickle a loaf) As mentioned, if "may" just improve the morals of country too.