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Speak Out 11/19/08

Wednesday, November 19, 2008

Cross-burning story

YOU SHOULD be ashamed of printing a story on burning crosses. As if that weren't bad enough, you had a picture of a burning cross in your hometown newspaper. So you can be responsible for bringing all the hate that comes with it to Southeast Missouri. I am disgusted with your newspaper, I expected more from. You too will have to answer to your God for your actions, but after reading this story and seeing the picture your paper chose to print, I believe you spell God with the letters "money." You all have the mentality of the losers standing around a couple of school-age boys who are about to fight, chanting "Fight, fight, fight."

Lots of red

ALTHOUGH THERE is some indication that the nation is more united as a result of the presidential election, a closer inspection of the results on a county-by-county basis shows this not to be the case. With a few exceptions, most previously blue counties are still blue, and most red counties are in many instances redder than ever. For example, many area counties are (believe it or not) more red than the post-election faces of the Southeast Missourian editorial board.

Conservative meaning

IT IS impossible to deem the Southeast Missourian a diabolical conservative newspaper. Those who call themselves conservatives have spent so much time bashing their opponents they no longer have any idea as to the definition or deeper meaning of conservatism.

Need to change

At the top of the police report it reads, "Arrests do not imply guilt." Why do people placed under arrest have to wait for weeks, sometimes longer, before they are contacted by an attorney? Meanwhile, the accused person is denied a lie-detector test that would prove he is not guilty, and he winds up being incarcerated for months. If the person who makes allegations that lead to charges and an arrest were to be investigated thoroughly by the authorities, the lives of innocent people would not be destroyed by lies and deceit. Something needs to change to protect innocent citizens.

We're all one

AS WE enter an era of good feelings and national unanimity, there will no longer be any distinction between conservatism, liberalism, moderates and so forth. We will all be as one.

Thanks for barrier

THANK YOU, MoDOT for putting in the cable barrier in the I-55 median. It will save lives, I'm sure.


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good morning folks

Thanks for barrier : put it down the middle....there

are no hidden cables buried in the middle

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 7:38 AM

The Speak Out contributor who objected to the story and accompanying picture of a burned cross has unfortunately missed the point. Only when such ignorant actions are exposed, will they become less likely. This newspaper has done its' job by publishing such offensive acts. The contributor needs to rethink that objection, and grasp the concept of exposure.

-- Posted by jmj1 on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 7:58 AM

morning rick

sorry to say that you are wrong! there is a fiber optic cable of considerable size in the median. it is used for many reasons including homeland security! if it were damaged by a vehicle it could cause incredible problems to local business's , hospitals, and even our local reserve units and first responders!!

-- Posted by SilentBob on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 8:27 AM

SilentBob....sshhhshhh

i know i'm wrong...u know i know u know i'm wrong ..

trying to stir the pot this morning a little is all ..

i went to St.Louis monday and they have the barrier

cable down the middle instead of on the southbound

shoulder and it got me to thinking--which is a

dangerous thing sometimes ....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 8:36 AM

Fluffy has already been served with a side dish of kitty-kat..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 9:05 AM

"We're all one" must have just woke up! Ever hear of the New World Order?

-- Posted by RocketSurgeon on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 9:15 AM

Just me....

At some point, you must feel you asked a question that I failed to respond to. I went back and looked at your posts, and am still not certain as to what you are asking for.

If you need some help or clarification, please state again what you are asking. As time allows, I will oblige....

Do you work (for a living)?

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 9:28 AM

SilentBob...That'll be the day when that fiber optic cable is damaged by a vehicle. It is buried way down below the ground, (as opposed to cable TV cable laying under leaves). About the only vehicle that can damage that cable would be a backhoe.

-- Posted by Hawker on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 9:37 AM

Why not print the cross burning story? They printed a story announcing the forming of the NAACP. Aren't these 2 factions a tad bit related? They are both racist organizations.

-- Posted by mohacker on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:14 AM

why haven't they changed the NAACP to NAAAA ?

in these trying times it's hard to be political

correct all of the time ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:17 AM

cross burning story

This newspaper did not start nor spread the hate. They told the facts and printed a photo of an inanimate object. Don't try to squelch the news.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:19 AM

were all one

Ah, utopia brought to us by Obama. I hope this was posted tongue-in-cheek.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:24 AM

Theorist

It's none of your business if a person works for a living.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:31 AM

Hawker and others,

Concerning this gaurd cable on I-55. I am well versed

on cable systems and understand that it may not have been advantagous to put it in the middle of the grass

medium.However, as a motorcycle rider(more often on the interstate) I worry of a front or rear tire flat.

This could easily cause the bike to veer into that cable and I don't have to tell any of you what that might cause to the human body.I wonder if we needed it in the first place.JMO

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:44 AM

BABE....ur working on a funkle

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:44 AM

JMO , they put the cable on the shoulder of the road

because it's concrete and much more sturdy then

trying to ***** them in a grassy medium ...

they by-passed safety to make it easy on theirself ..

again , JMO .....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:48 AM

***** = e.r.e.c.t. .....geez...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:50 AM

Babe...

Nope, it isn't, but he insinuated yesterday that I did not, so I was reciprocating out of curiousity. He certainly does not have to answer.

By the way, I wasn't talking to you....it is none of your business either.

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:56 AM

Theorist

This is a public board and I will comment on any post I wish, even yours. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 11:04 AM

Rick

Yes, but you saved me. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 11:07 AM

Matt Sanders said on his blog that the news would be updated frequently throughout the day. If that's the goal maybe they can take off the story of the poor cow being hit as it's been in headlines for days.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 11:13 AM

Need to change

“At the top of the police report it reads, "Arrests do not imply guilt." Why do people placed under arrest have to wait for weeks, sometimes longer, before they are contacted by an attorney?”

Anyone who is arrested can contact an attorney immediately. Now if you expect the taxpayers to provide an attorney for you, then yes you may have to wait because of the sheer number of people who also want free legal representation. Please feel free to get a job so you can afford your own attorney and not be so inconvenienced.

“Meanwhile, the accused person is denied a lie-detector test that would prove he is not guilty, and he winds up being incarcerated for months.”

A “Lie Detector Test” proves neither guilt nor innocence and that is why they are not routinely used.

“If the person who makes allegations that lead to charges and an arrest were to be investigated thoroughly by the authorities, the lives of innocent people would not be destroyed by lies and deceit.”

You can be something other than an “upstanding citizen” and still be the victim of a crime. Oftentimes victims of violent crimes also have criminal records; should this make them fair game?

“Something needs to change to protect innocent citizens.”

I can’t argue with that, but don’t know what it would be.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 11:24 AM

Well, it seems that Robert Gates will be the Republican on Obama's cabinet, retaining his position of Secretary of Defense.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 11:57 AM

Have_Wheels,

RE: AS ONE, Either someone is off their med or is in denial.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 12:01 PM

From ABC news....

Big Three CEOs Flew Private Jets to Plead for Public Funds

By BRIAN ROSS and JOSEPH RHEE

November 19, 2008

The CEOs of the big three automakers flew to the nation's capital yesterday in private luxurious jets to make their case to Washington that the auto industry is running out of cash and needs $25 billion in taxpayer money to avoid bankruptcy.

Even as their companies fail, Ford and GM CEOs continue lavish lifestyles.

The CEOs of GM, Ford and Chrysler may have told Congress that they will likely go out of business without a bailout yet that has not stopped them from traveling in style, not even First Class is good enough.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 12:02 PM

that cow was out to 3:00 am and got lost on it's way

home , hit by a truck , and met it's demise ...

must have been a slow news day or a famous cow ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 12:23 PM

Yeah Babe,

they should have been forced to walk to the Capital from Motown. I say let them fail or file chapter 11.

It seems the other auto makers in the southern states

are staying above water why havn't they? Because of the unions and poor restructuring.Heck, Chrysler kept making huge suv's and now look whats happened.These CEO's should be held accountable for the failure of their companies and certainly not expect US the taxpayers to give them a dime.Just another boomdoggle

as you would say.Somehow I bet these fools will get some of this money that was NEVER meant to bail any auto makers out of trouble.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 12:44 PM

Oh good grief...Daschle will be Obama's HHS Secretary. I wonder why he keeps choosing these old white men. I guess he will not be wanting a diverse cabinet such as Bush.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 1:10 PM

Babe,

You have the most critical opinionated attitude I have ever known. It might be bearable if you made an educated (learning both sides of the issue) judgement, but you are always negative in thought speech and attitude. Just my opinion, and as you say, I have a right to say it!

I am so sorry for you and your family!

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 1:25 PM

What does it matter to you BABE? You'll find fault in whoever he chooses. JMO

-- Posted by concerned4all on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 1:28 PM

Suelynn,

My thoughts exactly!!

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 1:30 PM

Theorist,

you said to Babe,"I am so sorry for you and your family!

I have to wonder why your sorry for her and her Family.

Are they sick? Have they been victimized? Or are you

just being negative,opinionated and brutal?

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 1:37 PM

Wolf - sounded more like empathy to me, but that's JMO.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 1:44 PM

With regard to the three-strand guard cables:

First, not this again; I mean, it is essentially a done deal, is it not? What do you all want, to spend more money to have it torn out? Second, I guess you all have civil engineering degrees as I do--in addition to field experience. As it has been pointed out, the guard cable cannot be placed in the center of the median because there is fiber optic cables running there and if they do carry government information, the restrictions on any construction in their immediate vicinity would be astronomical. The placement of the guard cables immediate to the left-hand shoulder is acceptable considering that it is much easier to recognize and react to a vehicle that has lost control traveling in the same direction. As I have stated in the past, a vehicle traveling at 70 mph can easily shoot across an unguarded median in less than a second which essentially prohibits an unsuspecting driver traveling in the opposite direction from making any corrective action.

GREYWOLF,

I'm sorry, but motorcycles are seldom considered in design simply because there aren't that many and dedicating resources toward motorcycle design is not fiscally reasonable. Besides, if you are so concerned with a tire blowing out on your motorcycle: A. a guard cable should be low on your priority list (especially at 70 mph) and B. maybe you shouldn't be riding at 70 mph in the first place.

-- Posted by isobar on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 1:56 PM

Theorist, suelynn

I'd rather have your opinions than your insults or sympathies. Why do you think Obama is appointing so many old has been white men to his cabinet positions? I thought he was for "change". Oh, I forgot, he is also to appoint an old white woman to be his Secretary of State. He ought to as much as he has raided the Clinton's networks to find supposed talent. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 2:21 PM

Dr.Pepper

no , i'm not an engineer of any kind or silk but :...

all i know is that cable didn't keep a lost , famous ,

cow from meeting her demise on I-55 at 3:00 AM ...

if it can't keep an intoxicated cow , who has been out

partying with her deer pals to the wee hours of the

morning from getting hurt , what good is it ?

what are they teaching in engineering school these

days ??....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 2:25 PM

BABE....

maybe...just maybe , because he DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S

DOING ??...LOL....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 2:27 PM

BABE I offered neither insult nor sympathy.

I'm waiting to form my opinion on Obama's selections until I see who else is included. Perhaps it will be a bit of old and new...I have no problem with that.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 2:29 PM

Greycanine....

Sincere concern! I can't imagine a life with such negativity.

Brutal?

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 2:55 PM

Re: big 3 automakers:

The big 3 pay workers $73.00 per hour in wages and benefits. That is $146,000 per year. I make less than one third of that. I would like for Congress to explain why my tax dollars should be used to bail out someone making three times what I am. All this is going to do is push the inevitable day of reckoning a year or two down the road. They won't go out of business if they file Chapter 11, just have a real chance at making changes that will really matter for more than a year or two. Personally, I don't want the people responsible for the IRS tax code designing the cars I drive.

-- Posted by rh3a on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 2:59 PM

rh3

now i know why a new truck costs $40,000 ....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 3:05 PM

I don’t care too much for the people President Elect Obama has picked for his cabinet so far, but have to agree with Suelynn in that I probably wouldn’t like anyone. If I had agreed with his policies and positions I would have voted for him. I also seem to remember GW Bush picking from previous administrations.

I am not so much concerned with personalities however and am more concerned with actions. I will withhold judgment or criticism until someone actually does something that has an impact on the country.

As always, just my opinion.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 3:35 PM

Theorist,

I never change or add to anyones names in this forum.

Frankly, I prefer not to as it detours from any decent debate.I appreciate your response concerning Babe.If I need to explain or even justify my use of the word "brutal" I see no need.Your dislike of anyone here is not my concern as is Babe no personal concern of yours.That being said, I do respect your opinion and will continue to do so.I will also respect the name you have chose on this forum.I will expect the same in return.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 3:36 PM

Greywolf,

Didn't mean to offend you, just trying to lighten the mood. Also didn't know concern was taboo. I will keep that in mind when posting.

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 4:06 PM

Theorist, you said "Also didn't know concern was taboo". Your right, it isn't as long as its sincere

I would think.I recall the real concern from many in this forum over a year ago when Mrs.Wolf had open heart

surgery.To this day I appreciate everyones prayers and thoughts.You are also right about mood changing.I could use a bit of that as I am a big baby when I have a bad cold and thats what I have been dealing with for several days.Those hot totties have not been doing the trick.I don't think however, that will keep me from having one in 45 minutes when I arrive at the den.

By the way,Mrs.Wolf is doing very well and I am greatful to Dr.Bender and the pace maker for saving her life.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 4:26 PM

I tolerated (like I had any freakin say in the matter) the bailout of AIG and the $700 billion package. I am aware that bankruptcy of the Big 3 would be painful for many average Joe's. However the status quo must change. The Big 3 have been giving us what they want since Henry Ford rolled off his Model T (I remember a quote atributed to him that went something like this: They can have it in any color they want so long as they choose black.)

The auto industry in this country needs to retool and rethink their approach. Too many years have they been tied to big steel and big oil to make fundemental changes. They act like they make changes but that is smoke and mirrors.

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 4:59 PM

...i'm with u shortwhitebaldguy...it's about time

they sank or swam , pulled their britches up , and

acted like big boys do ..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 5:20 PM

Rick...I'm with you, I think the fact that the cow was out so late is utterly inexcusable. I also think the cow story needs to mooooooooove on to happier pastures.

-- Posted by Hawker on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 5:21 PM

Rick,

Remember that the guard cables start at the Oak Ridge exit and the cow was struck in the vicinity of the Oak Ridge exit. The article didn't specifically state whether the incident occurred north or south of the exit. Also, the cow could have been wandering the median for quite some time... entered the median well north and traveled south or it could have entered the median from the east and was backtracking when it encountered the truck driver.

Engineering school...

www.mst.edu

http://civil.mst.edu/curriculum/curricul...

-- Posted by isobar on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 5:43 PM

Hawker

Rick is being udderly silly about this cow.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 6:24 PM

Willy

What a cowardly way to die.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 7:36 PM

Rick

Where are you? I thought you were going to milk this for all it's worth. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 9:50 PM

Someone's Lyin'

Either the local media (a.k.a. The Banner Press) or City Hall, or both.

Today's Banner Press carries a story that essentially portrays me as a "dead beat alderman" who doesn't show up to meetings.

The truth is that I notified all parties well in advance that I would not be able to attend the November meeting, as well as documented this on my Alderman Lacy blog in the November 7th and November 15th posts.

Read all about it!

http://aldermanlacy.wordpress.com/

-- Posted by mobushwhacker on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:25 PM

mobushwacker,

Appologies in advance because I'm going to be a smartazz. Your blog states,

"Mrs. Surface called me back shortly afterward to inform me that the meeting had been rescheduled to after the public hearing on the 13th, again I told her I would be able to attend this meeting , and that I had informed the mayor of this as well."

You might want to go back and edit or someone my use your own words against you.

Just razzing you, hope you don't mind. I knew what you meant. (See even those of us not from MH read your posts. hehe)

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:48 PM

Hi Pups

Boo Hoo, no one appreciated my cow jokes. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:51 PM

Babe,

Don't know why? They were udderly moooveingly milkraculously funny.

How was that???

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:56 PM

Pups

Oh, I guess it's just teat for tat.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:58 PM

Babe,

That's not even the calf of it. Though I conceed to the master as I am whey over my head here.

Ok that's a bit of stretch so heading home. Have a great night!!

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 11:03 PM

Hay, goodnight.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 11:08 PM

Pups:

Thank You for Proof-Reading for me, I have fixed the error.

-- Posted by mobushwhacker on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 11:12 PM

mobushwacker,

Glad I could help. hehe

All kidding aside, hope I didn't offend.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 11:18 PM

Well, I guess I'll wait here till the cows come home before anyone else appreciates my jokes.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 11:20 PM


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