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Speak Out 11/10/08

Monday, November 10, 2008

Proper focus

CAN CHRISTIAN evangelicals regain their lost political clout, as evidenced by the election result? No. But they're better off for it. True evangelicals need to reorient their sense of purpose toward the afterlife and away from the sordid affairs of this world.

Getting the message

I WAS so happy to read the comments from Wendy Rust about the River Campus production that was demeaning to Jesus Christ. If enough patrons take the time to do as Mrs. Rust has done, maybe Southeast Missouri State University will get the message that questionable theater productions should be turned down. Thank you for not being afraid to speak up.

Intentional affront

I CONCUR with Wendy and Gary Rust concerning their outrage over the play presented at the River Campus, "Sister Mary Ignatius." To me, productions like these are intentionally in-your-face affronts to the people who did so much to make the River Campus a reality. I'll never again buy season tickets. Academic freedom is not absolute. Heads should roll.

American patriotism

I FIND it amazing that the whole world is celebrating Barack Obama's win with hope, yet I don't understand how there can be people, right here in America, who will not celebrate and are cynical. These people call themselves patriotic and Christian and claim that their country comes first. The American people have spoken. That should be respected. If you can't honor the voice of America, do not call yourself patriotic, especially if you do not believe that all men are created equal. Putting down other skin colors is insulting God's work. If your heart tells you that what you are doing or thinking is wrong, it's usually right. Listen to it.

Campaign limits

THANK GOD the election is over. Now it is time to put a limit on the amount of time and money a candidate can use. This has been obscene.

Mixed signals

AFTER READING about the emaciated dog and seeing the picture in the paper, I don't think things like that should be shown in the paper, just like I don't think a killing should be on the front page. It gives off mixed signals.

Look to the future

I WORK with educated people. The day after Barack Obama was elected president, which I'm happy about, one of my black co-workers made the comment that maybe now with a black president the government's oppression of blacks would stop. I asked her what she meant. She could not come up with a single example of the government's oppression of blacks. She brought up slavery, but slavery has been illegal for many years, and the government made it illegal. She talked about opportunities, but the government has instituted equal opportunity and affirmative action to level, if not slant, the playing field. She finally admitted the government doesn't oppress blacks. I'm so sick and tired of hearing how this is such a victory for black people. A victory for black people would be that they would stop shooting each other, stay in marriages and be committed to their children, and that black men would actually be fathers.

Voting equipment

I AM appalled at the voting equipment in Cape Girardeau County. The legs on the voting booth are so wiggly that they are about to fall off. Can't we get some updated equipment? One of the most important jobs we have to do in our lifetime is to vote.

Going to the dogs

I READ in the paper about another shooting in south Cape Girardeau. Yesterday a friend told me about a dog barking in her neighborhood while playing in its backyard in west Cape Girardeau. Two police cars showed up, and the police gave the dog's owner a ticket. While south Cape Girardeau goes to the dogs, dogs in west Cape Girardeau can't bark in their own backyard on a sunny afternoon.

Work for food

WHEN LYNDON Johnson started the welfare era, he meant well. Helping the needy is one of the beautiful traits that most Americans possess. However, with 35 percent of Americans not paying any income tax at all, it's obvious that many are not willing to work to meet their needs. They are barnacles on the ship of society. Those who do not work should not eat. Sound too harsh? Then find that quote in Thessalonians 3:10.

Offensive productions

I'D LIKE to say that I agree with Wendy Kurka Rust's commentary on the plays presented at the River Campus. It was conservative money that made the River Campus possible. Now it's inhabited by liberals who push offensive productions as part of the ticket subscription package. We had season tickets last year and did not renew for this season. I completely agree.

Lopsided voting

ON ELECTION Day eve, I heard a reporter say there were such a high percentage of whites voting for Barack Obama that racism has pretty much disappeared in America. With 98 percent of African-Americans voting for Obama, did I miss something here, or did he?


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If you don't like the River Campus shows, then don't go to them. I for one, consider it a sad state of affairs that a university is expected to only have "Christian Approved" shows though. Theater is meant to be controversial. And if no one had ever spoken out against religion, there wouldn't be a United States Of America. The American Revolution was strongly denounced by the established religion across the Ocean.

As for the whole racism issue... either you have an issue with a black man leading us, or you don't. Now which is it? At this point in history, black people are going to vote for a black candidate. Get used to it. Maybe one day, we, as a society, can actually get past all of this nonsense, but it's never going to happen when you feel the need to point out everything negative you can about other people in other races.

I didn't vote for Obama, but I'm glad he won, because it's the next step in moving beyond our racial divide.

-- Posted by Swollen_Thumb on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 3:37 AM

American patriotism

Good grief...I live right here in America and I'm not celebrating Obama's win. I am not bigoted nor unpatriotic because I think his plans are wrong for our country. I will not genuflect to your perceived messiah.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 6:02 AM

When the patrons of the theater closed their pocketbooks to season subscriptions the University finally had to respond to their complaints of the offensive play. Good.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 6:06 AM

What exactly is a 'bible thumper' in your mind? Why do you always refer to it in such a negative light? Why are you so bitter toward those when they voice their opinion when you continue to voice your own opinion on everything? Wouldn't it be better to just ignore it as you do posters rather then respond as if they are the plague on society?

-- Posted by KingsKid on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 7:33 AM

hao! t'schunkta wikto !

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 7:46 AM

Proper focus: We must get beyond the hatred toward our fellow man.

American patriotism: Be an American patriot, be critical of an over sized government bureaucracy and policies that undermine freedom and liberties.

Look to the future: I recommend reading Lew Rockwell's "Barriers Broken?" at http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/barr...

Work for food: It's better to remain a child and let someone else feed me. Besides it makes them feel useful.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 9:10 AM

Oh barnacles. I'm still posting. Oh well, I had a great nights sleep and things are really looking good today. Looks like President elect Obama gets to chew out Bushy "Boy" today and give him a what for. I wonder if he'll serve Bush with a subpeona to appear before his War Crimes tribunal January 22, 2009?

Well, I'm off to work. Let the whining commence!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 9:22 AM

Babe posted...

" I am not bigoted nor unpatriotic because I think his plans are wrong for our country. "

A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, courtesy of Wikipedia.

Thanks for the laugh Babe....

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 9:38 AM

Voting equipment and government: In order for a vehicle to be considered useful, its cost of maintenance must not exceed that of its benefit; if that is the case, then economics demand that you either trade it or junk it.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 9:38 AM

The nutty bible beaters are out in force on speak out today. Keep your religion to yourself, out of everyone else's life, and out of the govt. Don't like the content of the play? DON'T GO! Its simple!

-- Posted by Ike on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 9:51 AM

Notice a theme with the 'Bible-Thumper' posts? They all boil down to one idea. 'We want to decided what gets said, shown, printed or thought about.' It must all be of God or of a certain moral fiber. We don't like this play, don't print pictures of dead dogs, we don't like brown people (that one gets thrown in a lot too), screw the poor... all things Jesus was for right?

Stop calling them 'Bible-thumpers' and maybe moral police or thought scrubbers. Or ignorant arseholes. That fits too.

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 10:12 AM

ZING!

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 10:33 AM

Special warning to crybaby evangelicals:

We're on to you.. if you keep using your church as a step stool for political influence, be prepared to lose your special status and be taxed into oblivion.

google: LDS Prop 8

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 10:40 AM

Theorist

By your simplistic definition of a bigot...I must be one because I don't tolerate the opinions, lifestyles or identies of....pedophiles.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 10:51 AM

Well, good! Now you realize you are a bigot. Will you change? Doubtful. Do you care? Doubtful. Are you bitter? Probable.

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 10:58 AM

Using pederasty to some how justify your complaint about maligning the Catholic faith is the most delicious of ironies.

You are TOTALLY invited to my birthday this year.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 11:06 AM

Election is over and yet you still have the nut cases who won't let it go! When a person loses election they may take a look back to see what went wrong. But for someone other than them to act others as to why a person lost is just down right child like.

We all have someone in our life that no mater how right you may be there the only ones with the right answers. They pride them self on finding places where they can stir up trouble and love to cause divisions between others. Marble Hill is blessed with one that stands out above the rest. The only good thing is this "OBAMA" won and they can't stand it. So now others have lost there races because of them being in the same party. Get real! Your a nut case and need to sit down and shut up!

-- Posted by Maybell on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 11:24 AM

Theorist

Since you and MeLange are singing the same song again today, I am going to use her post.

"Not bitter, perhaps frustrated....I don't understand why others don't/won't/can't see situations from different and very relevant perspectives. It seems to me...many latch on to a "klesha" and REFUSE to open their mids to understanding/comprehending an entire issue. A form of easy apathy...don't bother me with the facts...my mind is made up."

Translated...it means "I can't understand why ,after I give my opinions, people are still too stupid to see it my way."

giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 11:31 AM

Wow, the so-called conservatives are at it again? They keep screaming "less government intervention in our lives" and "don't censor our right to have assault weapons", but... now they want some good old healthy intervention to censor performing arts students? Hypocrites.

On a lighter note, this cartoon pretty much sums up what religion is all about:

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/Qua...

-- Posted by CRC on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 11:32 AM

Me'Lange:

"Those who do not work should not eat. Sound too harsh?" You'd better read and comprehend that "good book" a little bit more. There are individuals who can not work due to disabilities or old age. I suppose we should allow those people (who btw...paid taxes for their benefits) to starve?

That's not at all what 2 Thess 3:10 says. "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, IF ANY WILL NOT WORK, NEITHER LET HIM EAT." It's talking about people who can work but choose not to.

Me'Lange:

What the Heck! The last 3 out of 4 days in printed Speak out comments have been primarily Bible thumping! IF I wanted to be preached to by hypocrits, I'd be attending church services!

I love how Christians have become so despised. We get blamed for so much. Matt 5:11 "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

"Bible-Thumpers" has been used negativley 4 times so far. It seems like anytime someone mentions something about being a Christian or God or Jesus, out comes the derrogatory name calling. Now I will admit, there are some crazy, uber religious people out there who make a bad name for everyone.

However, I CAN agree with you one one thing. Religion and politics should stay far, far away from one another. They should NEVER overlap. I don't care if an elected official goes to a church/mosque/synogogue or not. They are elected to be political leaders, not religious leaders.

-- Posted by that_one_guy on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 11:34 AM

American Patiotism, Look to the Future...OK, Barack Obama is the antithesis of Martin Luther King's dream: He is a man that was/is judged by the color of his skin rather than the content of his character.

That is the simple truth. Whether this will continue to be the case, time will tell.

-- Posted by Hawker on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 11:38 AM

Proper focus: My sentiments can be found here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/ar...

Look to the future: Being a victim leaves a scar, but the perception of victimhood cuts far deeper.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 11:52 AM

se-va'he tosi taime!

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 12:15 PM

HILLECO,

Regarding the lew rockwell article. I have serious doubts as to Palin's ability to rebound from the criticism. Other than being adored in Alaska I think she will go the way of Dan Quayle and ride of quietly into the sunset. If she does make a national splash again she will have to become a Senator (which she may be angling for).

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 12:44 PM

Wheels,

I suspect the extremes on either side will never relent. The extremes also tend to be more vocal in either their unwavering support or thieir criticism. The next four will be like the last eight except from the other side so to speak.

I have little tolerance for those who berate the other side. I do enjoy a healthy debate on issues or on policy. If you care to weed through the nonsense feel free to post more often.

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 1:27 PM

Have_Wheels...

I respect those most, who allow Obama to establish some policies before berating them. Give the guy a chance....just a thought, as it is our country and all....

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 1:31 PM

Have_Wheels,

I would hope that those of us who do not agree with Obama’s stated goals and objectives can behave much better than those who have opposed President Bush. I will oppose or support Obama’s policies as they relate to what my beliefs are, but I will never demean or denigrate him like those who have attacked Bush on a personal level. I believe both President Bush and President Elect Obama are good men with the best interests of the country in mind, but I do not feel compelled to support policies with which I disagree.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 1:31 PM

bigdogg: Black Americans have a lot to be proud of outside of government and politics, read Lew Rockwell's "Barriers Broken?" at http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/barr...

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 2:32 PM

Lopsided Voting

The majority of blacks traditionally vote Democratic ... Blacks voting Democratic: 1984 - 90%; 1988 - 90%; 1992 - 83%; 1996 - 84%;

2000 - 90%.

shortwhite, I don't think Palin's ambitious personality will allow her to slip quietly away, at least not for long. Personally believe she will consider senatorship to be her next step to running for president sometime in the future.

Thank you, Red (12:31). Is this a good place to say, 'Spoken like a true gentleman and scholar?' Looking at 'policies,' rather than the 'person,' makes almost too much sense.

Off-Topic: Mel, the guys LOVED the Bacon Cheeseburger Meatloaf. I still prefer my combination of Grandma's and Daddy's recipe, neither of which was exactly a 'recipe.'

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 2:35 PM

Off subject, economic news: Circuit City just filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy. The company needs restructuring.

Although they are trying to postpone it through bailouts, the big three auto makers should follow their lead. Restructure before you have nothing left to restructure.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 2:38 PM

Herr, sorry for the late reply. SO would not let me post over the weekend. The William's house is locate just past the Coca-Cola plant on Rt PP. I will be happy to help you in any way that I can. My grandmothers home is still in the family and I can help you work out the details and hopefully open a few more doors for you. We actually found a sword in my grandmothers house and thought it was very odd. I believe my uncle still has it. Let me know when you want me to talk to William's family. If I am not mistaken their home is on the national register for historic homes.

-- Posted by Sunshine_In_Jackson on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 2:42 PM

We as a country may have elected a black president, but to look at the vote for the official language of Missouri to be English shows you that we still a huge problem with racism in our state. This was a racially motivated proposition.

I totally agree that people need to acclimate themselves to the country they emigrate to, and that means learning English in our case. That said, this proposition was a totally unnecessary measure. The only reason it happened at all was to make yet another divisive issue for voters to argue about. It's certainly not from a helpful financial theory.

Now that we must only print state forms in English, it is our (the taxpayers once it really boils down) responsibility to make sure everyone can speak it. This means state-funded English courses (which already exist) as to not be exclusive of any residents. So I ask you, what do you think is cheaper? Printing things in 2 languages (on the same paper like we already are doing) or now to have ongoing English language classes to ensure that no one is left out?

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 2:45 PM

Bigdog...

I am an Obama supporter and I voted for him! I voted for him because his ideologies were closest to mine, because of his intelligence and his promise. I could care less about the color of his skin. This should not be an issue either for or against.

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 2:51 PM

Since folks are already arguing about policies that haven't even been put onto paper, let's discuss the one that has been. Here is the quote from change.gov, the official Obama President-Elect site.

The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.

I think that community service is a laudable thing, and everyone should be encouraged to participate, but mandatory for middle school kids? This is this || far from being a draft for preteens. This isn't new, Clinton pushed a lot of this back in his day, but now Obama's team has much more control to get it done. People may have gotten change without knowing what the changes were going to be.

And no, this certainly is NOT bitter grapes from a McCain supporter. There is no way in hell I would ever vote for the Neocons. We were offered 2 flavors of the same thing. The bus is still going to the same place, no matter who is driving.

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 2:52 PM

bigdogg

This election was historic in two ways, one of which, was that there was a woman VP candidate on the ballot.

Ever wonder why black men had the right to vote before any women?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 3:02 PM

THE INCIDENT - Monday, 3 Nov 08 (the day before the election)

Well, I've allowed a week to pass, just to cool off, and noticed there's been no knocks on the door by the Feds. So perhaps it's not really a big deal now, albeit maybe of some interest for those of whatever political persuasion.

What Triggered "The Incident": Just some relatively innocent(?!), simple "Joe the Plumber" type of questions, somewhat paraphrased as follows: 1. Are elected officials at the Federal level (such as, say, Senators, Representatives and, oh, how about Pres. elects?) exempt from undergoing legitimate National Security Background Investigations for purposes of accessing classified info/ops for the purposes of pursuing their elected duties? 2. If exempt, then why? 3. What happens should an official fail such an investigation?. You know? Simple stuff like that...along with some criteria/requirements to pass a legitimate investigation, which should not be white-washed.

Targets of the Questions which triggered "The Incident": I figured it'd be interesting to just pick up the phone and call the offices of senators and representatives, OF BOTH PARTIES, followed by e-mails...exact same wording of questions to everyone. Then see what dropped out of the chute.

Results/Repercussions of The Questions: Not bad, with staffers of both parties...up to a point. Then it "hit the fan"...from a GOP Senatorial staffer, of all people! The staffer erupted rather emphatically and basically told me to shut up and don't ask such questions, implying a not-so-veiled threat (which I've receive before from govt/military officials), then followed with the clincher:..."besides, there's nothing you people (like, we, the citizens?!) need to be concerned with anyway, because 'the FIX WAS IN' long ago!!" Well, er, OK; however, I had to immediately fire back: "So, what? Am I sensing some 'Joe the Plumber' type retaliatory action for simply exercising my 1st Amend. right to ask some questions of MY representatives...but coming from the GOP this time??!" Well, the staffer repeated "the FIX WAS IN" thing, and the discussion degraded from there, so I hung up and preceded to send the e-mails as promised. Doubt if I'll get any acceptable replies, but at least no body's kicked in my door...yet.

Immediate Self-generated Questions after "The Incident":

1). If "the FIX WAS IN" (and how long ago) then why did the GOP decide to hide it from the American people?

2). Was the McCain campaign aware of this "FIX", and even consent to it? And for what reason?

3). Are we now looking at the prospects of a one-party totalitarian government? And do they think it will wreck the country so bad that the American people will finally rise up and take their country back, thereby creating the representative government the Constitution says they're supposed to have?

Disclaimer: The above questions were immediate afterthoughts following "The Incident", so please don't hold me to them...come up with your own opinions and questions; should be an interesting exercise.

Well, "FIX" or not, the elections have come and gone (already starting with the 2012 goat rope), the nation may well already be experiencing it's self-inflicted suicidal death throws and, yes, we do seem to have a one-party totalitarian government coming down on us. Call it what you want. I prefer naming it the American Soviet Socialist (acronym optional...and embracing socialism is now considered "patriotic" now!!) or, my personal favorite, the Democrat Socialist (DAZI) Party of Death...the death part, per some Catholics (at least the Vatican), does not just apply to abortions for convenience either...and "democracy" equates to mob rule anyway.

So, there it is. A fun little exercise. Things should start getting real exciting soon...'specially for you who will be caught flat-footed! Can't wait for the "Death's Head" collar pins to be handed out to all the Brownshirt thug "enforcer" wannabes...should enhance target-acquisition methods. Sounds like all the new mandated volunteer "Corps" will be a hoot to. But this is just IMO-DLISI anyway, so don't get your panties in a sheepshank!!

Speaking of volunteer issues, I've got to get going to Cape and turn in my stuff from my duty this past week. Gotta also consider announcing my resignation soon from such volunteer work, mostly military-related stuff, because that will be my first act of defiance when some clown starts yapping about mandatory volunteerism, especially for retirees. Y'all have a nice day now, if not life, y'hea!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 3:02 PM

Babe...

Ever hear of Geraldine Ferraro????

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 3:03 PM

mox,

thanks for your post on the english language ammendment. To me it just shows pandering to peoples fears. Purpose of such an ammendment is simply to make people think their politicians are doing something. What a bunch of junk.

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 3:11 PM

Oh. I almost forgot something before I go. I'm expecting some Intel, perhaps a bit disturbing to some, regarding possible work force woes for local folks. I hate to say it, but depending on the news, it may work out to be an odd sort of advantage for Mule and I...something, like a window of opportunity, I've been waiting or even scheming for. Anyway, I'll give y'all a heads-up when I get the goods, if it's not too late; probably late this eve or tomorrow. See ya.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 3:12 PM

the Ginblossom...º¿º

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 3:14 PM

Theorist

Actually, I did forget about Geraldine. I was thinking she had to resign her nominee status because of her IRS problems at the time. Can you say 'senior moment'?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 3:33 PM

Sunshine...:

Oh, dang! I almost missed ya while shutting down this thing, but gotta git to Cape. I hope you visist the bog now and then, and will try to get back to ya soon. Sounds like ya have some neat stuff/info; I'm still looking for the house history project I did. I'll try to re-connect later today or tomorrow. Thanks! Herr out.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 3:41 PM

Herr...

If you really wanted people to respond to your posts, you would state your position in a straightforward manner without the fluff.

I am not quite sure what that "incident" post is alluding to so I will assume it is not meant for such as myself.

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 3:54 PM

SWBG

The 'English first' issue is more than just politicians wanting to feel good.

It relieves the government from having to print ballots, for example, the size of a phone book to accomadate those who speak any language other than English. Also it eliminates the need for tax payer dollars being spent to furnish interpeters in the court system. And the list goes on as we have to draw the line somewhere.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 3:54 PM

MoxFoulder: Missouri, of course, is a different story, but if you lived in one of the SW states, you might understand the need for English to be the 'official language.' When American citizens cannot qualify for many jobs in that area of our country (Arizona, New Mexico, etc.) just because the positiions require an aptitude in spanish ... that just does not sound right to me.

Not decided yet (until I read more) about 'community service,' but less than an hour a week for students doesn't sound too over-the-top (get them away from the computer games for a while), & wish there had been volunteer work to help with college expenses in the past, but ... a lot to think about there. The word 'mandatory' is rather frightening (Wasn't that what the military draft was, in essence?). Somehow, though, I doubt that mandatory volunteerism (Isn't that an oxymoron?) would pass.

Herr: Interesting story (yours usually are!), but after reading it three times, still don't understand. Sorry to be so dense.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 4:13 PM

Herr

Thanks for telling us of the incident. I am flummoxed

to what he meant by his comment of 'the fix is in'. Do you have any idea what he was referring to, Herr?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 4:14 PM

Things to discuss...in an adult manner only.

Saw a bumper sticker today that stated:

"WE DON'T WANT YOUR CHANGE"

...so, this means you are happy with the way

everything is now?

Heard a woman at work say: "Obama is going to destroy our economy."

HUH? WHAT?

Also, how is bailing out all of these banks and loan companies not Socialism?

...one more thing... if taxes are not raised how are we going to pay for this war? Have any of you noticed how much it is up to per day now? Is anyone on here, without running to check on it, aware of how much we owe China for this war?

-- Posted by tristategossipgirl on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 4:14 PM

tristategirl The "WE DON'T WANT YOUR CHANGE" bumper sticker was probably on a vehicle owned by a waitress or waiter who wanted us all to know THEY give you the correct change. Sorry, just my sometimes wierd sense of humor ... ~wink~

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 4:32 PM

Todd McBride has been indicted for mortgage fraud this afternoon. hmmmmm....why does that name sound familiar?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 4:35 PM

Herr, I believe the fix has been in for many, many, years. More and more people are finally starting to wake up to that sad fact.

Our presidential elections are like a professional wrestling match. The mega bankers and fascist corporations ( New World Order) own and pay the salaries of both wrestlers to put on the show. The people boo one guy and cheer the other but no matter who “wins” the match, the NWO is the true winner.

It is so easy to control the outcome of a two party system. (Especially when those same fascist corporations own the major print and electronic news) That is why they are so nervous about the internet and plan on selling us the “new and improved” internet 2.0) be very afraid of internet 2.0 because they will strangle alternative websites and forums such as this one.

The NWO fooled a lot of conservatives (including me in 2000) by giving us what they called a compassionate conservative.What we ended up with was endless war and a depleted treasury. He and the willing congress of both parties also gave us the Patriot Act l & ll. The John Warner Military Commissions Act, and oh yes the ubiquitous Dept. of Homeland Security.

Then the NWO drove Bushes approval ratings down to 20% range with endless wars and more crashing of the economy and convinced the public that we needed a NEW leader who would give us “change.”

Voila, we got a fresh handsome black young democrat running against a has been tired old republican Washington insider who reminded the people of Bush. This is a diabolical move by the NWO to make the people believe that the wars will be over, the economy will be fixed, and the repeal of the before mentioned draconian legislation. News flash folks; it is by design going to get worse.

Here’s a scary assignment for all of you who thought the Patriot Act etc. was pretty cool when Bush was in control. Go back and read all of the provisions that are now in place with the knowledge that Obama will now be able to use them. You said it was only for terrorists. Well what if one day he decides that political dissent is terrorism? Some of the Obamites will blindly support him on that. That was the long term vision all along by the NWO.

Well I could go on for hours, but you get the picture. I am a red blooded Patriot who is sick as to what happened to this country and pray that the public wakes up from the NWO trance.

BTW I think Palin backfired on them. She actually campaigned trying to win. She wasn’t let in on the scam. I think they wanted her on the ticket hoping that McCain would be beaten worse.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 5:00 PM

Good comment,Babe.It's not you that's unpatriotic,it's Obama.I can't wait until the day when I can get on here and say,"Okay,you all that voted for Obama are getting just what you deserve".It's coming,just watch and see.

-- Posted by Lindy on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 5:50 PM

Tweety

You are so right. One of Obama's first plans is to establish and/or expand this (misnomer) civilian security force and it will be mandated. One of these mentioned is the Peace Corp. I remember well the time that actual volunteers paid their own way and did not receive any pay from the government.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 6:07 PM

Obama's first plan should be the economy...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 7:14 PM

Bill Cosby would have made a real good president.He's very unhappy with black people.He said most of them can't even talk right,then when you see their parents and hear them,you know what's wrong with the kids.He also said if you don't work you don't get a paycheck,and no welfare check either.It's kind of like,if you don't work,you don't eat!!Obama will have every lowlife in the U.S.on welfare and food stamps.From what I understand,his picture will be on the food stamp.

-- Posted by Lindy on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 7:37 PM

Info, I always had some 'problems' with the Patriot Act ... and various other programs which were put into place because of one 'crisis' or the other over the last few decades, many of which most people are never aware of for perhaps years. All seem to be, at least as time goes by, meant to restrict our freedoms more than anything else. Crises are needed, are a good excuse, in order to awaken the paranoia of the American people so they'll accept their freedoms which might be restricted in the name of 'safety.' To my distress, I often view new laws, etc., with skepticism. As you have stated, it is up to us to watch and try to somehow keep things in perspective, and know what our politicians are doing (or not).

Um...Tweety, where are YOU going to be if that day you 'can't wait for' comes, and while you're saying "Okay,you all that voted for Obama are getting just what you deserve."? If all the terrible, un-named predictions come to pass, do you think those who did NOT vote for Obama will get some sort of 'free pass' and not have to suffer? The 'joy' of I-told-you-so people like you, in a worst-case scenario, will be rather two-fold, if you still live in this country, don't you think?

Y'all know what's odd? I didn't vote for Clinton, or for Nixon, or for Reagan ... But I'll be damned (if I'm allowed to say that) if I wanted to see bad things come about in our country, our lives--not now or then--just so I could say 'Told ya!'.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 7:38 PM

Gurusmom,

I agree that this country often goes too far in reaction to any crisis real or perceived. Many like to blame the politicians, but oftentimes they are only reacting to the clamor from the citizens. We as a country all too often respond with "there ought to be a law" when sufficient laws already exist. People whom we fear will not be deterred by yet more laws, but politicians pass them so they can say they tried and to placate those demanding action.

Sometimes action is needed, but this should only be done after careful consideration and absent all the emotion.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 7:56 PM

Taxes

Just got my personal property tax in today and love the added fees section on the back. %2.75 (or whatever) for sending in a credit card payment. Why is there a fee for this? Is it that hard to turn yourself around in the cubical and press a few buttons on the CC machine and turn back?

Sorry Mrs Debold, but that seems like a larger racket than paying personal taxes in the first place.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 7:57 PM

Well, heck-fire. Cape was boring today. There wasn't even any officials at the agency I do my volunteer thing whom I could announce my pending resignation to. Oh, well, there'll be another chance in a couple of weeks, when I'm nailed with duty all over again.

G-Mom:

Gee...Maw. It's probably not necessary to understand the story at this point, other than to understand that "we, the people" aren't expected to question our new one-party government anymore (oh really?), and we should keep our mouths shut...yeah, right! Actually, folks like us should enjoy our reasonably comfortable retirement status, and be glad we don't have to look forward to scraping out a living in our coming new "changed utopia"!! If worse comes to worser, the Mule (my farm gal) and I are well armed and, if we have to, can grow our own, so to speak.

C-Babe:

Per your 3:14 p.m. post/question. I think InfoWarrior's 4:00 p.m. post may add to and explain more about what I was trying to say, minus my attempts to add in some jocularity to sweeten things up a bit.

Even so, you might get a grin out of this though. Being the out-of-control clown that I sometimes am, I couldn't resist calling that very same ("incident") senatorial office back...a tad of pressing-to-test beyond what may deemed safe, I guess. Luckily, I got a different staffer, so I just asked: "Gee, have y'all taken me off your Christmas card list now?!" Well, the staffer kinda chuckled, but pretty much stonewalled me on the "trouble" I stirred up last week. So we just chatted a bit. Anyway, thought you'd get a scream outta that!

InfoWarrior:

Like I've said before about ya. You may not get into clowning around like I do most of the time; however, you come up with some pretty hard-core and interesting stuff, most of which I tend not be able to work-up much heartburn about, let alone disagree. My bottom line to the "scheme of things" in this world, is that mankind is too puny and corruptable to force a "utopia" here in Satan's domain. The only One who can pull that gig off won't do it until after His Second Coming! In the interim, ole Lucky Lucifer can throw all the plastic dashboard fake messiahs he wants at us...but the tests and suffering for the masses will remain to deal with, and will in fact intensify. Sounds like a game plan, huh?

Well, folks. It's been fun, but I need to stand down from this stuff, and wait for some Intel on some sad news which may come to pass in the more immediate future. All I can say for now is there's been a lot of managers milling about, in and out of meetings, with long faces and bad rumors are flying. But the up-side is that Mule may, just may(?), see the light and put in her retirement papers...while there's something still left to retire from! We'll see, and I'll try to report to ya maybe tomorrow. In the meantime, please try to refrain from having more fun than your alloted quota allows! J/K...I think.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 8:03 PM

Fajar - suspect the credit card fee premium is to cover the added charges imposed by the credit card company for the transaction - I suppose ideally so the county still receives their full tax revenue. Whether this fee is truly 2.75% - I don't know.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 8:14 PM

Red, that reminded me ... How in the Good Old Days, 'There oughta be a law' was used for everything from kids playing ball in the street to dogs barking behind their fences as people passed by on the sidewalk to men saying '****' in the presence of women, etc. Little did we know back then ... ~smiling~

Well, Herr ... You left too soon; you know good and well I often post later! Used to think retirement would be a simpler life--until trying to figure out all the Medicare & Part D supplements, trying to comprehend and keep track of all the charges and payments thereof, as well as all the changes every year (or less). And still have the same house repair stuff, the mowing & gardening & fussing about raising utility prices, and four companies adding their services to the phone bill (Has anyone else had this happen? ATT says they don't question when someone notifies them that a customer has requested their 'service.') not to mention then, having a parent even older than us oldsters to fret about.

Am I starting to understand, that you're saying the GOP wanted to lose the election? If so, I had a few thoughts during the campaigns on that (with no basis in fact, actually).

I HOPE Mrs. Herr (just can't bring myself to call her Mule...knowing that she might have to be somewhat mulish considering who she has to deal with on a day-to-day basis ~wink~) is going to retire...and take on the full-time job of trying to keep someone near & dear to us somewhat in line.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 8:44 PM

I did not vote for Obama. To the person who claimed people who did not vote for him were racist must have a huge chip on their shoulder or be pretty low self-esteemed. I do not think that Obama is good for our country. He, like many other politicians, was to quick to make promises that he cannot keep. His plans are not the way our country should go and he is inexperienced. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin. I did not think Hillary was good either so does that make me someone that doesn't support womens rights?

This country was founded on christian principles; like it or not. Why was everyone in an uproar when Clinton was found to have had sexual affairs? Why have people shunned these senators and congress persons who have admitted to affairs if their morals weren't in question?

For a long time, those of christian faith have stood by and accepted what this world tried to cram down their throats. I, for one, am pleased to see that there are those that are not willing to stand for it. You may be tired of "Bible thumping" (yes I know not everyone is genuine, but that happens with anything and everything), but I am tired of not being able to take my children to the store without hearing grown adults curse like sailors or grope all over one another when they should be getting a hotel room. Grow up and deal with it...isn't that what you would say to those "Bible thumpers"........

-- Posted by inallthingsgivethanks on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 8:46 PM

GurusMom

The Patriot Act was in response to 9/11. How dare you call it a manufactured crisis. Have you forgetten?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 9:04 PM

GurusMom, The Patriot Act was a poor response to 9/11. I agree, there is something not right with all it's represents.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 9:57 PM

The 2.75% is probably a pass through fee of what the credit card company charges. Why don't you call and ask instead of griping about it.

-- Posted by insider63785 on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 10:53 PM

longtime_cape_resident

Listen here scumbag, when I am griping about something, your words, I am in no way from or fashion, getting my panties in a wad so I'll ignore your snarky comment and file it under STFU. I intended to get some form of flack from the Peanut Gallery.

Yes I know that there is some charge from the CC Companies and Cape Co has to recoup their costs, but I thought it a little greedy ALLLLLL the extra costs for paying for something you already you own. Personal property is a racket that I believe should have limits.

Jeez kids. Trying to get some extra thinking around here w/o the use of Obama in a sentence.

-- Posted by fajar on Mon, Nov 10, 2008, at 11:53 PM

Gosh, BABE, I even went back to read my post you mentioned, and still don't see where I said 9/11 was a "...manufactured crisis." As for the Patriot Act ... Yes, a response to 9/11 ... Was it a good response, or was it a knee-jerk response that has expanded into our personal freedoms? I don't really know that positively...and wonder if anyone else honestly does--or knows what all it really consists of, at least now?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Nov 11, 2008, at 1:23 AM


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