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Speak Out 10/18/08

Saturday, October 18, 2008

Affordable tip

A COMMENT said that if you can't afford to leave a large tip when you go out to eat, you should stay home. I have a suggestion. Why not have your boss post a sign on the front door saying if you can't afford to leave a large tip, don't come in? I have noticed that the restaurants not very crowded these days. And I would say that any tip is better than no tip. We are going to be going through some slow times for awhile. We dine out a lot and always leave as much as we can afford, but if we expect rude treatment because of the tip we leave, it will not be forgotten.

Petty over signs

TO THOSE responsible for the theft and vandalism of presidential candidate signs: You live in a country where you have the legal right to disagree with another person without fear. Disagree, but don't be petty.

Take a stand

REGARDING THE music allowed at school dances: We have the same problem in Jackson. When my daughter was in sixth grade they were playing this music, so we stopped letting her go to dances. It would be great if more parents cared enough about what was put into their children's heads to take some sort of stand. Maybe then someone would make a change.

Budget issue

THE REASON foam containers and other paper products are used in school cafeterias is because the schools have a limited number of food service employees who are allowed a certain number of hours a day. They have two meals to serve and clean up. The schools should look at other alternatives, but it's a trade-off between budget, equipment and employee costs.

Missing street sign

I AM a 94-year-old woman who lives in Kelso, Mo. I am dependent on Meal on Wheels for my lunch every weekday. Several years ago, someone stole the only street sign for my street. The drivers who deliver my meals have trouble finding my street, and my meal is either late or not delivered at all. The same situation could happen if I were to need emergency services. All efforts I have taken in the past to get a replacement sign have reaped no results. Is there anyone who can assure a new street sign is installed?

Specter of socialism

DOES DAVID Limbaugh read the news? He spills a lot of ink trying to scare us with the specter of socialism. It's already here, courtesy of the Bush administration and European governments.

Living on credit

THE BIBLE says, "Judge not lest ye be judged." Referring to people who are living on credit as whiny people might be wrong. You don't know that person's circumstances. Perhaps he didn't get a raise because the boss was out of sorts and needed to live on credit to make it through. I believe that the older people should be allowed to continue their credit ways. The way to stop this is with the newer generation. Make sure they understand the perils of credit. But the older generation has to live like this and doesn't deserve to be punished. Creditors need to think about the people who are living like this and how the new generation coming up should handle credit.

Getting too liberal

I HATE to say it, but I believe the Southeast Missourian is getting more and more liberal every day I read it, especially the Opinion page. It seems like the Speak Out and syndicated columns have a leftist spin. It's sad to say, but I think you'll see that it will affect your future circulation, especially when people look forward to reading conservative commentators on a more regular basis. I'd like to see at least a fair and balanced approach to Speak Out.


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good morning folks

Take a stand : "When my daughter was in sixth grade

they were playing this music." ...what is "this music"?

almost sounds like when the Beatles first

came out and we were warned not to listen to "their"

music...

Getting too liberal : i disagree...what would happen

if all we had were Republicans in SO ? i'm not a

leftist but i try to keep a crack of an open mind

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 6:16 AM

budget issue

The breakfast program should be discontinued. Any parent who cannot get up early and cook their children a nice bowl of hot cheap oatmeal is nothing but lazy. Actually, we don't need the lunch program, either. Parents, or the children themselves, could pack a nice lunch from home. That is the way it used to be and it worked just fine. There is nothing wrong with a peanut butter sandwich, apple and cookie for lunch. Kids would probably eat more and have more time to do so than they do now.

Oh, but we have to have that fed money, don't we.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 6:54 AM

missing street sign

Now this just makes me so angry. Would the responsible persons in Kelso get this lady a street sign and NOW!

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 7:02 AM

affordable tips

Why don't you cook your own meals at home until you can save up enough money to tip for good service? You are so selfish you think the world revolves around you.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 7:08 AM

living on credit

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 7:14 AM

..or roosters...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 7:20 AM

petty over signs

One of the real reasons for theft of political campaign signs is not petty foolishness. Signs costs a campaign money. The thieves know that the money spent on replacement signs means less money for the opposition.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 7:27 AM

MeLange

If these irresponsible parents won't cook them breakfast then they probably don't cook them supper, either. Perhaps the schools can feed them supper, too?

I have a better idea. If a child frequently goes to school without breakfast it's true child neglect. Schools can then call social services to report the parents. To investigate these parents would be a more worth while than what they are doing now.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 7:46 AM

..all i know for sure is the breakfast program

provided new jobs within the school district ...

although these new jobs are temp , it's kinda

like a tip , something is better then nothing .

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 7:59 AM

Rick

What new jobs? If school districts created new jobs on a program that is not necessary then the taxpayers are the losers once again.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 8:15 AM

BABE

my wife is a kitchen manager for Jackson South

elementary and the school gave her 3 additional

people to help with the morning rush ...they

only work 3 hrs. per day , which ain't much ,

but enuff for some folks...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 8:21 AM

Monk said:

PEOPLE , PEOPLE ,PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!

If we lose our guns, in a matter time we will lose our freedom next simple as that.

To late for the freedom's as for the guns I will use the words of Charlton Heston!!

FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 8:26 AM

We all hear conservative/liberal all the time sounds like a broken record. I'm a middle of the road person, not extreme right or left. I do know one thing the division we have in this country is going to have to stop and we are going to have too unite together as one country in order to face some very serious challenges we have before us. The fear and hate I hear on some of these radio talk shows each day is unbelieveable and completely out of bounds and with this type of talk we can not progress and move toward the future in to the 21st century. The past was some of americas best times, but the past is history now and it is time to look to the future. UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 8:30 AM

No law abiding citizen is going to lose there guns. We hear this old wore out story every four years. No matter who wins the presidency HE IS NOT GOING TO TAKE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS GUNS A WAY. This is a old campaign stunt that has been thrown at the public for years and it is not true.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 8:36 AM

SWAMP MAN

Don't you believe it for one minute. There are those that know without guns we can not revolt against them, So there is an on going effort to rid even law abiding people of their guns!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 8:47 AM

Silent_Bob

if the gov. comes around demanding folks weapons ,

somebody's gonna get shot . then it will be a

domino effect into all kindsa hell....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 8:54 AM

Rick

I respect you, your comments and your humor. I am sorry to step on your toes on this issue and I'm sure your wife is doing a fine job. But I do not believe that schools are responsible for providing meals; breakfast or lunch.

I learned a long time ago that the fed lunch program was started because a large percentage of WWII enlistees were malnourished as children during the great depression. Southern children were especially affected because of the hookworm. But those times are long gone and the fed still has an authoritative

toehold in school districts because of lunch programs.

We need to think outside of the box and re-evaluate our needs and priorities.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 9:11 AM

BABE

i agree with u totally . it's not the state's

onus to feed the children , that's what a parent

does when they decide to bring a child into this

world .

besides all that , it keeps the wife away from me

7 hrs a day , 9 months a year.....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 9:16 AM

Yes they are serving breakfast, lunch and dinner at the schools in Ste. Genevieve. They call it Dragons Den and its a free after school program. They have another program in the morning for parents who work early.

-- Posted by Observer1 on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 9:19 AM

Rick

You are BAD to the bone. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 9:19 AM

Affordable tip: Tip the service. Of course some sweet looking girl with a smile on her face deserves substantial reward.

Take a stand: The values of the family must be destroyed in order for the children to grow up to be properly trained comrades. Read Thomas Sowell's "Inside American Education".

Getting too liberal: This always happened during stressful times and war, remember the late sixties and early seventies. The liberal state grows on driving fear, stress and war.

A Democrat Congress is not likely take our firearms, they haven't forgotten what happened in 94.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 9:26 AM

Observer

Oh good lord, it's already happening. I've been predicting that one of these days parents will simply pack their childrens' suitcases, drop them at the school Monday morning and pick them up Friday afternoon to spend 'quality time' with them over the weekend. I don't think it's too far fetched to think that public schools are turning into free boarding schools.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 9:33 AM

...if the Jackson School District has the money to

build a bright , new , shiny football stadium with

all the trimmings , then they should have enuff

money to feed the kids for free .

IMHO , all meals for kids at school should be

free ....actually , they should bring their own food

but i don't see that happening....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 9:44 AM

Rick: Nothing that government does is free, it is paid for with taxes.

Babe: It will happen, the children and even the families belong to the state. The highest form of government, the individual and the family, have given way to the lowest form of government, the state and its empire.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 10:18 AM

James Nall

...i realize it's paid for with taxes --DOH!

what i'm suggesting is shifting some of those

tax dollars around ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 10:21 AM

Specter of socialism - isn't he a RINO senator from Pennsylvania?

Getting too liberal – naw, the SE Missourian has probably the most well balanced opinion section of the land. Actually, that’s a trait of a conservative leaning newspaper. It may just seem that way because the liberal viewpoint is so loud and rude.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 10:50 AM

Guns:

No the Democrats won't take our guns away, but it is because they know they don't have the votes, yet, not because they don't want to.

While they may not be able to take them away, yet, they can make it more difficult to get them and restrict the type and number we are "allowed" to own.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 11:26 AM

I don't have a problem with any of my tax dollars being used to feed a child in school or out, whether it is because of poverty or poor parenting. A hungry child is a hungry child, I don't care how they got that way and few things bother me more.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 11:33 AM

Red - I'm with you on this one.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 12:02 PM

Red

I have a problem with schools providing meals for children because they are not their caretakers...yet. I believe children are going to school hungry because their parents are lazy or lackadaisical in wise grocery shopping and meal planning. If they don't care that their children are hungry their children should be taken away for neglect. If the parents are truly needy there are other avenues to seek help such as private charity, food banks or food stamps. I do wish the state would provide commodities to people who qualify instead of food stamps, though. Bulk sizes of oatmeal, rice, beans, cheese, powdered milk, potatoes, canned vegetables and fruit, peanut butter, eggs, some frozen meats and fowl etc would provide fine meals.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 12:57 PM

Babe,

While I may agree with you on many points in principal, I know the reality is that these children will not be taken away from parents who neglect them as I have worked in the “system” far too long to have any hopes that this will happen or that if it does that these children will be all that much better of going from one foster home to the other. I must deal with the world as it is and not how I think it should be.

While there are food banks in some areas, they are not in all. I worked in parts of this state that were designated poverty areas and if there was free food ten miles away, some could not get there to pick it up.

I will stand by what I said earlier, I will gladly pay what it takes in taxes to feed a hungry child and I don’t really care why or how the child got that way.

I do heartily agree with you on the food commodities, but even that is not without problems because I am old enough to remember when this program was in effect and some people sold these so they could have money for other things. Others gave it away because they didn’t like it. I can tell you too that you can’t buy anything better than “government cheese or peanut butter”.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 1:16 PM

Red, I agree with everything you said...I've seen the exact things you've seen and know we have to deal with today, as it is.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 1:27 PM

Suelynn,

Many, many years ago when my children were still young and they would complain about one thing or another, I would put them in my car and take them to the areas where I worked to see a world that they had no idea existed.

It is all well and good to preach self reliance and all of that and for the most part I agree, but children do not have that option and I cannot stand to see them suffer because of the failings or inability of their parents to provide the basic necessities of life.

I agree our system is not ideal and there probably is a better way, but until it comes along, I can live with what we have.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 1:43 PM

And Red, you are correct about the foster system. Many people think that would solve problems for these kids, but it can't/won/t. It's a very difficult and long process for many and often, not a good solution either. Most of these kids, even with terrible home lives, want to be with their parents. Many times, foster parents are not what people think or hope they would be. In truth, very few parents are going to be punished for neglecting their children. These kids aren't fed properly, let alone, clothed, monitered, kept clean or even given the proper rest they need.

There is much we can't do for these kids, but we can, as a nation, feed them to the best of our ability.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 2:03 PM

Red

We are never going to solve the problem unless we eliminate the programs and begin expecting parents to take care of their children. If they neglect them they should be taken away. And I'm sure there are many fine foster homes but I agree that many take advantage of the system for the money. I truly believe that we should have private or state orphanages again instead of foster homes. If you wish I will expound on my views of why this would work better than the current system.

The logistics of the delivery of commodities can be re-evaluated and updated to provide access to everyone who qualifies. Yes, folks do sell commodities but they are not as lucrative as food stamps.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 2:06 PM

Suelynn,

As a "mandated reporter", I referred quite a few cases of what I considered to be child abuse/neglect to DSS over the years and can count on one hand the number that were removed. Of those that were, all were returned. The threshold is very high and judges are very reluctant to take action. We had a significant number of DSS people transfer to us and different other Departments due to burn out. DSS has been in a state of transition due to budget cuts and things do not seem to be improving. Changes do need to be made, but the right ones and they should be done very carefully.

I will be the first to admit that I don't know how to fix the system; wouldn't even know how to start.

Out for a while, have a good afternoon.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 2:19 PM

Babe,

You posted...We are never going to solve the problem unless we eliminate the programs

Why are YOU so against people (the government) helping those who need help. Is it because you haven't got a say in how the allocated funds are spent? Is it because you aren't the one who decides who gets help and who doesn't.

Why do YOU have to be the one to judge????

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 2:31 PM

Babe,

I almost missed your post.

I have dealt with far too many parents addicted to drugs, alcohol or just too bone lazy to believe we can ever eliminate government programs and expect the parents to take care of the children adequately. If someone can fix the Foster Care System, I am all for it, but it is not a good one as is.

I would be for orphanages of any kind only as a last resort. I remain to be convinced that you can develop the appropriate relationships and form the bonds needed to provide for a healthy well adjusted child in such a facility. I would be interested to hear your ideas as to how they could be run for the welfare and development of the child. I am not an expert on child development and my opinions may not count for much.

As to the commodities, I am not saying they are not better than food stamps and do prefer them, but it may need a combination of both with very strict rules for the use of Food Stamps only for certain items and to be given to certain individuals on a case by case basis. I have no special knowledge in this field and will certainly yield to anyone who does as these are only my opinions and sure as heck could be wrong.

Out for a while, have a good afternoon.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 2:34 PM

suelynn

I was writing my post while you were posting your comments. So I take it that you have problems with the foster care system but throw up your hands about the children left in the care of neglectful parents?

Orphanages can be the best option for these children. They would receive better care and caring. Foster parents who really and truly want children in their home can do so without compensation except for itemized medical expenses. These children can be in public schools, scouting, extra curricular sports, clubs, travel trips etc. The parents would be able to take back their children when they prove they will not neglect them again.

I care very much for the welfare of children and do not want to see them shuffled off to uncaring foster homes or stay with neglectful parents. I guess you can call me a compassionate conservative.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 2:37 PM

Red

These children are on the threshold of the last resort now. They cannot form bonds of a healthy relationship in abusive and neglectful homes or foster care.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 2:59 PM

KCPO...you posted,

"they can make it more difficult to get them and restrict the type and number we are "allowed" to own.

-- Posted by KCPO on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 10:26 am CDT

There are soooo many people out there with weapons who have nooooo business owning them. How can I judge? I can't, but there are those who can, and I certainly wish they had more laws on their side to do so! Remember the Jonesboro shootings?

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 3:19 PM

BABE I’m dealing real life and not fantasy and you soon run into brick walls when dealing with neglectful parents. Try it BABE - talk is easy - take a little action girl.

BTW - I'm surprised you'd want government involved with parenting and in telling parents how to and when to parent. I thought you were against more government involvement and that is what you'd get with orphanages. Who will pay for and feed, clothe, and secure these kids while in an orphanage. You don't want to pay for their school lunches now and you're willing to take on their full support? I kinda doubt it.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 3:42 PM

BTW BABE how many children are you willing to take in? How many have you taken in in the past? Do you know anything about the system or are you just puffing?

Out for awhile - it's a beautiful day and I'm going to enjoy some fresh air.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 3:44 PM

I think that government should stay out of the lives of children and their parents.

Government should also stay away from our guns.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 3:58 PM

suelynn

From the savings by eliminating interim and foster care, we can afford magnificent buildings with olympic swimming pools, stables and horses, kennels for pets, gyms, movie rooms, ball parks, playgrounds and many more amenties.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 4:20 PM

W called himself a "compassionate conservative"; now you are trying to sell us that bill of goods about yourself. Get real and give us a little credit.

-- Posted by iago1 on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 5:37 PM

credit is what got the economy in the mess it is today

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 5:44 PM

OK BABE, nevermind. I can tell from your last post you don't have a clue or you've lost your mind. Either way - nevermind.

Out again.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 6:43 PM

testing for time tag

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 7:22 PM

I just wanted to throw my two cents in on the childrens issue for what its worth. And I know two cents is worthless these days. But there is no way an orphanage can foster what children need. I know there are horrible parents out there. And it is the parents responsibility to feed their children. There are varying levels of neglect. And you cant take all the kids away whose parents dont make sure they are getting their breakfast. Im thinking we'd be taking away more kids than you think.

-- Posted by thumkin on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 7:48 PM

Theorist said: “There are soooo many people out there with weapons who have nooooo business owning them. How can I judge? I can't, but there are those who can, and I certainly wish they had more laws on their side to do so! Remember the Jonesboro shootings?”

You claim to be “open minded” and in search of the “truth”, yet in reading your posts you are one of the most closed minded uninformed and dogmatic individuals on this site. I am not going to waste my time discussing the matter of “gun control” with you and I fear that if you even tried to consider anything contrary to your beliefs, you would probably have an aneurism.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 7:55 PM

Theorist said: “There are soooo many people out there with weapons who have nooooo business owning them. How can I judge? I can't, but there are those who can, and I certainly wish they had more laws on their side to do so! Remember the Jonesboro shootings?”

You claim to be “open minded” and in search of the “truth”, yet in reading your posts you are one of the most closed minded uninformed and dogmatic individuals on this site. I am not going to waste my time discussing the matter of “gun control” with you and I fear that if you even tried to consider anything contrary to your beliefs, you would probably have an aneurism.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 8:03 PM

Listen KCPO

I don't want your gun. I am seeking stronger legislation/laws to protect the safety of citizens. Isn't that why you have the weapon to begin with??

You know nothing about me, nor do you care to, because you have an agenda and refuse to deviate from it. If you could willingly listen to another's point of view, it might enlighten you.

We all have opinions and just because I present mine does not mean that I wouldn't listen to another's thoughts and ideas. May be it is you who is of a narrow scoped mind.

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 8:30 PM

whats wrong with this stupid web page??

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 8:43 PM

theorist

why do you always bring up the Jonesboro shootings??

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 8:53 PM

Silent one...

Close to home, pertinent to conversation, great example of why this legislation is needed etc., etc.

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 9:00 PM

..i still don't understand why folks can't have guns..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 9:03 PM

Theorist

I thought that maybe you were personally affected or something, Because you use it as an example quite often!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 9:08 PM

Theorist,

My opinion on Gun Control is based on studying gun control laws in various countries and states in this country and comparing the crime rates. I have read information from Anti and Pro Gun Control organizations. I have also read the studies prepared by the US Department of Justice as well as CDC. I have read works by Colin Greenwood, John Lott and others.

I have also worked with inmates within Correctional facilities as well as those on Probation and Parole and conducted investigations on their life histories. I have interviewed literally hundreds of individual who have committed murder, armed robbery and all sorts of assaults.

I was also the designated SME (Subject Matter Expert) in my district office to advise Officers and answer inquiries by courts and others on State and Federal Gun Control Laws as they related to offenders and other matters.

I am quite comfortable with my knowledge base and feel my beliefs are well founded.

I carried a gun for my entire career and still do now that I am retired, I pose no risk to you and I see nothing to be gained by making it harder for me to obtain firearms or restrict how many or what type I choose to buy.

I will not waste my time trying to convince you or engage in a debate, you have your opinion and I have mine.

I don't post that often and have said all I intend to, out for who knows how long.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 9:15 PM

KCPO, for what it is worth, you appear qualified and capable of owning a handgun. You didn't answer my question earlier, and I don't expect you to now, but will ask again anyway. Do you not own the gun for safety?

Why do you assume it will be harder for you to own this gun if more thorough background checks and other safety devices are implemented?

Did you know...

American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)

Did you know...

Faulty records enable terrorists, illegal aliens and criminals to purchase guns. Over a two and a half-year period, at least 9,976 convicted felons and other illegal buyers in 46 states obtained guns because of inadequate records.

Did you know...

In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, (this is from data in 2002 the closest I could get my hands on)

These facts alone are enough to warrant more legislation to secure the safety of US citizens. (In my opinion)

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 9:31 PM

Just catching up but I suggest all those hungry children being taken away by Babes proposal be sent to her house to be fed. Now where on earth will we put all these hungry children being taken away from their parents?

My God we may have to raise taxes because it sure as heck costs a lot more to house a kid in foster care than to feed them ceral at school in the morning. Outside of the box in Babe's world is a dangerous dangerous place.

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 9:47 PM

theorist,

Did you know that an American child is more at danger from a swimming pool in their back yard than a hand gun in their home?

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 9:49 PM

No, short bald one,...but then I never put a pool in the backyard either.

Truly I am not an alarmist. I just want to ensure the safety of children/adults. We spend so much time discussing bringing children into the world, and then poof, they are on their own. Why aren't we doing everything we can to aid them?

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 10:07 PM

By the way....where did you get that information?

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 10:07 PM

Theorist

Did you know....that included in your stats is teenage gangbangers shooting other teenage gangbangers?

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 10:14 PM

Wow Babe....maybe the teenage gang guys shouldn't have guns!

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 10:22 PM

..if the gov. comes to my house looking for

guns , i ain't got any ..(wink..wink)

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 10:27 PM

Wow, Theorist, ain't that the truth. How do you figure the little gangbangers got a firearm since they did not go through a stringent background check?

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 10:30 PM

In 2003, the CDC which has traditionally pushed for stronger gun control laws released a final study in which they admitted that after extensive research by scientists appointed by them they could not prove that gun control laws were effective in reducing firearms violence. They however insisted that even though they could not provide any evidence to support their position, they still believe it exists.

Sound familiar, anyone...

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 10:35 PM

testing

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 11:04 PM

Scumbags: Missouri GOP Responsible for Misleading Michael Winder attack ad....

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-- Posted by mobushwhacker on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 11:06 PM

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That was about the time that the CDC recommended that pediatricians ask parents if they had firearms in the home. They did.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 11:07 PM


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