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Speak Out 10/1/08

Wednesday, October 1, 2008

Let him go

WHO CARES how many restroom breaks children get in school? If a child has to use the restroom, let him go. I would hate to see what would happen if you were told you couldn't use the restroom when you needed to go.

Working family

I AM 25 years old and have been married for six years. I work days. My spouse works nights to keep us from paying for day care. My husband lost his good-paying job a month after our child was born due to a company layoff. He still hasn't found anything even close to what he made before. So I went back to work. The past two years have been hard. Money has been tight. With the price of food and gas, my little family has been struggling to make it. We have little money at the end of the week to buy food and necessities, because we have to keep our home and pay our utilities. We make too much money by the government's standards to qualify for any kind of assistance. So I see my husband about six hours a week, and it has put a strain on our relationship. For all the little working families out there, I know how you feel and what you are going through.

People are spoiled

I HAVE been amazed at the comments that put the blame for the financial crisis on various individuals. The truth is, a combination of the government trying to please too many people, the country having a hard time competing against foreign competition and consumer greed are responsible. The American people have become spoiled and do not know what hardship is. There has been too much of trying to keep up with the neighbors.

Real-life scenario

ONE OF the feared doomsday scenarios following Sept. 11, 2001, was a cyberattack on our nation's financial system. We're now facing a financial crisis of immense magnitude and cost. Will we pursue those responsible for this real-life scenario with appropriate vigor or will the deregulatory profiteers enjoy indefinite freedom in some cavernous hideaway?

Tribute for assistance

I WANT to pay tribute to two beautiful young people who gave assistance to two senior women stranded on the parking lot of US Bank. The first was a young postman who gave assistance and the use of his cell phone. The other was a young woman who was so helpful with assistance and cell phone. Without their help we might still be there. Thanks again.

Those darn lights

I can't believe that signals in Cape Girardeau still hold long lines of traffic when there is no cross traffic, even with the fancy new traffic-sensing cameras. When is the city going to take a close look at fine-tuning the signals?


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Restroom--

We will be sending our Granddaughter to school soon,I will say this-- If she comes home and tells me she was not allowed to use the restroom or I get a call to bring her some dry cloths (HEADS WILL ROLL). I/We will NOT put up with that at all. My comment about this subject may seem harsh. We have been down this road before our daughter did have bladder problems,However after sitting in class for a few weeks her teacher got the message that she would go to the restroom when she needed to.

-- Posted by Luvthatdirt on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 4:05 AM

HERE COMES THAT FAT CAT, EAST COAST REPUBLICAN SPIN THAT THEY LOVE TO DISH OUT WHENEVER THEY GET CAUGHT DOING US.

"People are spoiled"

"The truth is, a combination of the government trying to please too many people, the country having a hard time competing against foreign competition and consumer greed are responsible."

First, the government, especially this government has NEVER tried to please "too" many people. The only people that they have set out to please are neocons, their corporate war profiteering buddies, Wall Street investment bankers, and members of PNAC, CFR, the Bilderbergers, Trilaterailists, and those who meet in Davos.

Secondly, your statement that this country has a hard time competing against foreign competition, is true, but the reasons that it is true are for reasons which you will not like to hear. We do not compete in the world labor makrets any longer, because we manufacture next to nothing. This country was strong, when we made goods here, sold them here and abroad. Now, we have very little to sell, very little of value. Our economy, under the artifical plan of "globalism" was designed to be manufacturing free, and centered soley around financial instruments. That is why that bast*rd Henry Paulson, bush's Treasury Secretary said that the financial banks of this country were ENTERTWINED with those around the world and he wanted the barely employed, the lowly employed to bail out his scum sucking, low life POS buddies on Wall Street.

To that bast*rd Paulson, I say..."UNTWINE, YOU *&@$@+$@#&%"

Lastly, you said..."...consumer greed are(is) responsible"

That is the most idiotic statement. "Consumer greed?" I cannot tell you in this forum what I think of your idiotic statement, nor, what I think of you as a person. While consumers are not totally blameless, it is the corporate world, the globalists, and their Wall Street cronies who have destroyed this country and our economy. I have said, in this forum, that this was coming for about two years now. I saw the signs, no one listened, they thought it was good, all good. Bank of America actively sought ILLEGALS to loan them money for homes. BANK OF AMERICA actively sought ILLEGALS to give them credit cards. We know what these greedy Wall Street bast*rd investment bankers did to this country, yet you blame the people.

"The American people have become spoiled and do not know what hardship is.There has been too much of trying to keep up with the neighbors."

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Okay, there is some truth to what you say, but you use it to support your earlier false statements. By mixing false statents, lies, with elements of truthfull statements, you are attempting to get us to believe that your entire post is true.

You have presented us with a BIG LIE, wrapped around a microscopicly thin layer of truth.

NO SALE...

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 5:10 AM

NO WONDER JO ANN EMERSON (GLADNEY) GOT OUT OF TOWN, FLED THE COUNTRY.... HERE IS WHAT WAS IN THE WALL STREET BAIL OUT BILL THAT SHE VOTED FOR ON MONDAY..

John Culbertson, a Texas Republican Congressman, was on the Rachel Maddow program Tuesday on MSNBC.

Culbertson said that the bill in the form that Jo Ann Emerson voted FOR on Monday, would have allowed the Secretary of the Treasury to BUY any paper, from just about anyone, at ANY PRICE. The bill that Jo Ann Emerson voted for would have given the Secretary of the Treasury the power to bail out ANY BANK IN THE WORLD.`

A bad plan... nationalizing and socializing the the investment banks should be our LAST solution. Culbertson said that we should get rid of the "Mark to Market accounting rule," said that the SEC Chairman, Chris Cox, can do it tonight with the stroke of a pen.

Culbertson continued saying that the SEC Chairman could restore TRILLIONS of dollars of value to investment banks all over the world by getting rid of MARK TO MARKET accounting rule and going to "Market Valuation."

Culbertson said that the FDIC should increase the inusrance on accounts from $100,000 to $250,000.

Are you familiar with the concept of MARK TO MARKET? It might be something that you can mention when they ask you for specifics.

"The SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY would be given unprecidented power to by any financial instrument of any kind, at any price, bailing out any financial institution any where in the world, he could use tax dollars to bail out a foreign investment bank with our tax dollars."

Culbertson said that he wants a solution that will help the average American and business so that they have access to credit.

The bill gave the Treasury Secretay the authority to give away property, to open up every mortgage in the country and rewrite them.

The bill made the Treasury Secretray a Property Manager, with sweeping power over mortgages, socializes and nationalizes the mortgage and investment banking system. He could renegogiate any mortgage.

DAVE RAMSEY

On Tuesday Larry King, popular get-out-of-debt radio talk show host, DAVE RAMSEY said that he ... is against the bill. He says about 80-90% of the people oppose it, that the Bush Administration has tried to force it down our throat. Ramsey thinks that the credit market needs to be freed up, but this is not the plan. Local credit unions are making loans, mortgages are being made by local banks and mortgages are still closing for those who are qualified, but it is the institutional level has the gridlock that scares everybody. He does not see a real downside for the taxpayers down the road, if we do not buy up this bad paper now. There are other things that can be done to give the markets a value.

Common Sense Fix... I know that some of you have heard of GET-OUT-OF-DEBT author-radio talk show host, Dave Ramsey... here is his COMMON SENSE FIX.. http://mcauleysworld.wordpress.com/2008/...

HARRY TRUMAN WOULD HAVE LOVED TO SEE,...JO ANN FLEE....

The "kitchen" was so hot back here in southern Missouri, that Jo Ann Emerson not only got out of the kitchen, she fled the country.

Shame on Emerson for not coming back here to the district and explaining her vote to bail out her fat cat Wall Street contributors, at our expense. Call Jo Ann Emerson in Washington, and let her know how you feel about her putting her fat cat buddies on Wall Street, before her district which lives on Main Street.

Missourians who wish to speak directly with Congresswoman Jo Ann Emerson, may do so by calling her Washington Office number (202) 225-4404, or, to send a fax (202) 226-0326.

Then, stop by here and see a man who has lived in this district all his life, worked here, went to school at the School of the Ozarks, then got his law degree. This is the man who would represent us and not the fat cat banker and insurance congtributors of Jo Ann Emerson. Joe Allen is a great guy, a man we can trust with the future of our children and grandchildren by making this district an even better place to live and work.

www.allen4congress.com

(yeah, I know that it should be "have seen" but that doesn't rhyme with "FLEE."

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 5:27 AM

HARRY TRUMAN WOULD HAVE LOVED TO SEE,...JO ANN FLEE....

The "kitchen" was so hot back here in southern Missouri, that Jo Ann Emerson not only got out of the kitchen, she fled the country.

Shame on Emerson for not coming back here to the district and explaining her vote to bail out her fat cat Wall Street contributors, at our expense. Call Jo Ann Emerson in Washington, and let her know how you feel about her putting her fat cat buddies on Wall Street, before her district which lives on Main Street.

Missourians who wish to speak directly with Congresswoman Jo Ann Emerson, may do so by calling her Washington Office number (202) 225-4404, or, to send a fax (202) 226-0326.

Then, stop by here and see a man who has lived in this district all his life, worked here, went to school at the School of the Ozarks, then got his law degree. This is the man who would represent us and not the fat cat banker and insurance congtributors of Jo Ann Emerson. Joe Allen is a great guy, a man we can trust with the future of our children and grandchildren by making this district an even better place to live and work.

www.allen4congress.com

(yeah, I know that it should be "have seen" but that doesn't rhyme with "FLEE."

sorry, this post got linked to my previous one.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 5:31 AM

Robert Goodbody

why don't u tell us how u really feel ?

are u writing a freakin' book , or what ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 6:41 AM

The financial mess were in, we must not just blame the elcted officials, banks and Wall Street the american people are to blame for some of this mess as well because millions went out and borrowed the money for nice homes, big fancy SUV's and applied for all sorts of credit cards and they ended up getting over their heads and could not pay the money back. So there is enough blame to go around to all of us.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 6:50 AM

swampeastmissouri

i agree . some folks are gonna be in for a hellova

big surprise ....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 6:52 AM

To the person who signs Robert Goodbody. If you truly believe what you say, you are the most uninformed human being on the planet - please don't vote. If you don't believe what you say, you are just out and out lying for some unimaginable political purpose - please don't vote. You need to find something constructive to do with your time, or seek some counseling - please don't vote.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 7:08 AM

blogbudsman

this Goodbody character spent a lot of time

saying nothing , for sure ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 7:57 AM

Mr Goodbody may be long-winded, but he knows the truth, get with it!!!! I also dont like the 35 page posts some folks use. Keep it short.

Giggle....

-- Posted by changedname on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 8:00 AM

Hey Slim Goodbody, have you noticed that this is an OPINION PAGE and not the book of the month club. Do us all a favor and keep your left wing liberal crap down to ten pages or less!

-- Posted by hotshot202 on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 8:11 AM

blogbudsman:

I'm wondering, have you ever sat across the table from someone that has a different view than yours and tired to understand them?? How is it that you decide your opinion is the correct one? Did you forget how you learned how to do your job or get a passing grade in school?? Most of us learn by trial and error or by emulating others!

So before you conclude that Robert Goodbody should not vote why don't you try to engage him in a civil debate? You might learn a thing or two, I have!!

He may be harsh in some of his views but I can tell you for certain that he takes his time and uses many different resources of information before making up his mind. Even though I disagree with him on many levels and topics we still find common ground on many others. Give it a try believe me you could actually learn something by listening to someone that uses a different method of thinking and deduction than you do.

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 8:39 AM

Goodbody,

Why can't you learn to post without "threats" and disrespect!This only reflects your true personality.

Often times your post are worth reading however,your

inability to convey your thoughtS without HATERED

and THREATS is less than acceptable!I suggest you

get out a while.Enjoy what God has given you and quit destroying it!

Perhaps a good slap upside your head would wake you upa a bit!!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 9:44 AM

Goodbody - some good reading this morning, don't always agree w/everything you throw out there, but you've had some good stuff of late.

Working Family - yeah, I know what you mean. Don't let your family fall apart though, just to keep a house. You can always get another house later. Keep your family your priority.

People are Spoiled - Read the comment from Working

Family. There goes your theory.

-- Posted by Hawker on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 9:50 AM

Blogbud and Hotshot...

Mr. Goodbody's posts can be lengthy and may be a little too much for your attention span. They (the posts) are usually full of esoteric allusions perhaps beyond your comprehension.

Your posts, Blog and Hot, are indicative of your closed minds. A shame to be sure....

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 9:50 AM

Theorist,

I will just say I that I hate your uppity resolve. You seem to me to be from Great Britain. Move back please.

Goodbody or whatever you name is,

Once again, you are an idiot. Nobody cares to have to scroll for awhile to read your crap. Please stop using other's opinions and come up with your own. We don't care what you read or what radio station you listen to. You seem to be one of those ignorant college kids that comes to college and suctions on to the first thing a college professor says and thinks it's gospel.

As far as today's SO, I agree, we are spoiled. I blame everyone. If you can't afford something without living paycheck to paycheck, then don't buy it. People need to stop trying to keep up with the Joneses and just worry about putting a roof over their family's head and food on the table. Doesn't have to be steaks either, Ramen noodles are good enough if that is all you can do.

-- Posted by chaffeemp on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 10:01 AM

ChaffeeMP,

OK, look, certainly there are those that aspire to keep up with the Jones's, we all know the type. They look good, they smell good, and they are broke.

However, there are many people who strive to live beyond the level of mediocrity that you describe, and go for their dreams. They make a conscious decision to go over, through, or around obstacles to achieve their objectives/goals. They never run out of goals, and are always failing their way to success.

If you have a problem with that, then you do not know and do not understand. You may think you know...but to know, and not to do, is not to know.

-- Posted by Hawker on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 10:33 AM

"A man will be imprisoned in a room with a door that's unlocked and opens inwards; as long as it does not occur to him to pull rather than push." Ludwig Wittgenstein

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 10:41 AM

Hawker,

I think you are confused. I have no problems with people or strive to attain their goals. That is all well. Many of people have lived a life of poverty to live the life they want. You save every penny and put it towards your dream. Nothing wrong with that.

HOWEVER: If you have a family that is depending on you, you have to put them first. Your dream can wait. If you put your dream above the welfare of your family, you are wrong. If you can only afford a $15k car, don't buy a new mustang, even if owning one is your dream. The problem with Americans these days is that they don't save, and live paycheck to paycheck. You should always have enough money to pay your bills and take care of your family for 3 months if something should happen to you. That means you save as much as possible as early as possible. Hawker, it sounds like you might be someone who lives beyond their means. If you are single, then do your thing. You only have you to take care of.

-- Posted by chaffeemp on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 10:42 AM

ChaffeeMP,

I speak truthfully, clearly and respectfully. I am not concerned if you like the way I present my information and opinions. It may be your problem. I perceive you to have a "chip on your shoulder", though that might not truly be the case.

For the record, I was born and raised in Southeast Missouri, though formally educated elsewhere. I moved back to this area ten plus years ago.

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 11:02 AM

Theorist,

My biggest problem with you is that you seem to be a Monday-morning quarterback. You seem to have the answer for everything, but not the determination to do anything. What are you doing to make a difference?

-- Posted by chaffeemp on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 11:13 AM

Theorist,

Your 8:50 post did sound quite condescending. While you and I may disagree I have enough respect for your intelligence to believe you choose your words quite carefully for effect. Of course I am probably wrong.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 11:13 AM

ChaffeeMP said: "I will just say I that I hate your uppity resolve. You seem to me to be from Great Britain. Move back please."

I think Theorist's posts are usually balanced and thoughtful. But more importantly, do you have a problem with the British?

ChaffeeMP then said: "Once again, you are an idiot. Nobody cares to have to scroll for awhile to read your crap. Please stop using other's opinions and come up with your own."

Apparently a lot of people here disagree with you. Like I said before, it's easy to be a parrot; it's harder to be an informed parrot; and it's very difficult and time-consuming to feed parrots (to be an original source of ideas). Mr. Goodbody definitely is not only a parrot. He seems to get information from a variety of sources to back up his views, and reading and digesting all that material requires time and commitment. So, in my opinion, he is doing his homework better than, say, some here who simply write "you're an idiot" thinking that's a constructive comment.

If you disagree with him, just say so. If you disagree with Theorist or anyone else, just say so. Personal attacks just make you look bad and intolerant to opposite points of view.

-- Posted by unilib on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 11:15 AM

Those darn lights : Cape's stop lights aren't timed

perfect , i'm sure ...all the more reason to leave

a little bit early , no ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 11:29 AM

WOW... It sounds like a school yard in here today. While I don't enjoy Goodbody's posts as they are usually full of dribble and liberal slang terms at least he is posting about real issues and not bickering. I had my fill of this when I left elementary school

-- Posted by Producer1 on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 12:02 PM

Working family

Quit your *******' and evaluate how you got this way. You got married when you were 19! You already have a child. You can only blame yourself--it sounds to me like the caller got knocked-up before she was even married.

Those darn lights

About two weeks ago when I was in Cape, I noticed completely the opposite. I'd pull into the detection zone, the actuated camera would recognize my car there and promptly cycle the signal for me. Actually, given that there has to be time for pedestrians to cross the intersection, the signals cycled according to MODOT specifications. The City of Cape has made great strides with their intersections and roads and, to me at least, it shows.

-- Posted by isobar on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 12:19 PM

I thought this was interesting. It has not gotten much play as what I have seen.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/co...

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 12:26 PM

SWBG, Good article. It looks as though no matter who is elected our health care is gonna be screwed. Everyone prepare to turn around and grab your ankles

-- Posted by Producer1 on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 12:37 PM

While this was an interesting article and something certainly I have not heard, neither McCain nor Obama will be able to pass anything without the approval of congress and look what happened to Hillary Care. I believe in the unlikely event McCain is elected he will be able to accomplish much one way or the other due to the Democrat controlled House and Senate. Of course just my opinion.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 12:51 PM

SWBG

I like the idea of easing out of employer based health care insurance. I doubt that even old FDR anticipated such a mess when he began the involvement of government in health care insurance. Your employer doesn't provide your home, vehicle, life insurance so why should they provide health insurance.

I did find the article biased in assuming that what we have now is just wonderful. Also, he condescends to the employees and insults their intelligence by saying they would be bewildered and confused about other choices.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:01 PM

One employer in the Cape area pays $8 thousand or more per employee for health care. That would mean taxes on $8 thousand more for each employee. One of the major drawbacks in locating a factory in or near Cape is the extremely high medical costs there. Cape would have a much more suitable work environment for employers if they didn't have to pay such outrageous health care costs.

There is a way, and I believe that it may be in the McCain package, to reduce medical costs. That would be to limit insurance coverage to catastrophic and unpredictable health problems. Pregnancies, checkups, dental, etc. would not be covered.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:04 PM

As head of household, and a family of 3, I am currently taxed as the McCain Palin plan spells out. I am a lesbian with domestic partner benefits from my company. All domestic partnerships with company provided insurance (If you can get it) are taxed since not recognized on a federal level. This year, for our family, we'll be taxed on 14,600 imputed income. My taxes are grossly higher than my co-workers. This plan sucks, take it from someone who knows.

-- Posted by poey1 on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:06 PM

abiance and vanity ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:10 PM

I won't touch your post with a ten foot pole.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:13 PM

Me'Lange: The libertarian plan would take government out of the picture. Government serves no purpose but to drive the costs of medical care higher.

McCain's package is not libertarian. It is similar to a plan offered during the Reagan Administration, in which all employer benefits paid directly or indirectly to the employee would be taxed.

There was an obvious bias to the article.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:13 PM

MeLange

Nope, we need less government involvement, not more.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:16 PM

MeLange

Nope, we need less government involvement, not more.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, 12:16 pm CDT

Completely agree

-- Posted by Producer1 on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:17 PM

Babe,

I would have no problem also easing out of an employer based health care coverage. However I would like to see a subsequent raise in income to help cover my increased cost. Also individual plans discriminate based on age and pre-existing conditions making it nearly impossible for some to get health insurance if not through a mandated employer based plan. These issues would need to be addressed because the market will not take care of it.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:20 PM

mel,

Here you go with the water park again. I look forward to taking the kids to the water park...if they are not in college by the time it gets built!

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:29 PM

what would happen if the docs started making house calls again ?

and traded their medical care for a meal or a hunk of beef or pork ?

what would happen to happen to insurance ??

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:31 PM

I am not only not an expert on health care I am not even all that knowledgeable, but it would seem to me that if such a plan was to be adopted, it would need to be phased in as many people are well into their career with a job that they may have taken because of the health care. In my case, my salary was not all that good, but the benefits were which included very affordable health care insurance. Of course like most the price goes up every year and Preferred Providers seem to get fewer and fewer, but it is still fairly good compared to some. I am now retired and this won’t affect me to any extent, but it would seem that employers will have to pay higher salaries to attract people if they do not offer attractive health care packages. Some companies are already phasing out some of the health care and benefits offered to new employees while allowing those who were hired prior to a certain date to keep those offered at the time they were hired. Like I said, maybe I am way off base on this and may be missing the point.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:37 PM

I'd say more like esoteric doctrines.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:40 PM

MeLange

Preventative care is over valued now.

SWBG

I'm just throwing around a few ideas and trying to think outside of the box. Wouldn't employers have the opportunity to pay your true market value for your services if they didn't have the albatross of insurance around their necks? Also, would it have to be individual insurance policies? 'Pools' could still be allowed other than employer based ones.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:43 PM

If it were not for my employer's health insurance, neither my husband nor myself would be insurable due to pre-existing conditions. We use our insurance only for actual medical needs (i.e not running to the ER with every symptom). Before I got the job I currently have, we were both self employed and literally could not afford insurance at all. Even with a huge deductible. Even with our group coverage, our insurance is still quite expensive, more in fact each month than our mortgage, and it has a high deductible. It is better than the alternative of no insurance however. And if you DO have private insurance, you better hope you never get a major illness because they will drop you like a hot potato.

-- Posted by tinks89 on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:44 PM

Me' Lange: Altough Bob Barr is running on the Libertarian Party ticket for president, he is not a libertarian, in my book. But if he wants government completely out of the picture, then I would have to agree with him.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:45 PM

Re: Working Family

I wonder if they have cable tv, cell phones, internet, or if they smoke or drink booze.

-- Posted by TommyStix on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:50 PM

Babe,

I DO like the idea of "pools" such as for self employed people, very small Mom and Pop businesses with just a few employees, farmers, etc. Not sure how that would be set up though, or what the criteria would/should be. I would certainly look to that as an alternative for my husband as he is still self employed, and while my employer covers almost all of my premium, I pay all of his, which is what is costing us so much.

-- Posted by tinks89 on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:50 PM

Tommy, my husband and I have none of the things you listed, other than one pre-paid cell for emergencies, and we still never seem to have any money left over. LOL But I do see your point, and it is irksome to go out and see someone driving a nicer car than I have ever had, talking on a cell phone, while wearing their expensive clothes and buying groceries with a LINK card.

-- Posted by tinks89 on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 1:55 PM

farmgirl

I thought the self employed did have groups to purchase insurance already. I am guessing they don't have reasonable coverage or premiums? Remember, though, that there will be more competition on the open market than now.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 2:00 PM

Melange,

Thanks for the information as this is not an area with which I possess much knowledge. I worked for a government entity my entire career and health care was part of the package.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 2:05 PM

Babe, If they have them, I have never been able to find one in my area. Not saying they don't have them, just that I haven't found any here. And I'm sure that any that do currently exist will NOT cover anything pre-exisitng i.e high blood pressure, diabetes, previous cancers, etc. I am not saying I am for more government on this issue, just that it seems like the most powerful country in the world should not have so many people who have no health care, and I'm not talking about welfare recipients, they have Medicaid. I'm talking about people who work every day. I think this is a problem with NO easy solution.

-- Posted by tinks89 on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 2:05 PM

Mel

...seems like my last few years at Rubbermaid , when

employees received their yearly raise , their health insurance

premium went up also . there was always one or two insurance

benefits that dropped or the cost went higher every year.

the end result was a smaller amount of earned take home money

and a raise in health care benefit costs ..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 2:16 PM

Legislators and congressmen are there for the benefit of insurance companies and health care providers, they serve no other medical purpose. That being the case, why would you want them in charge of your health care decisions?

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 2:59 PM

Chaffee MP

I wish I had all the answers, but even if I did, it wouldn't do any good if I couldn't get others to heed. What I can do is approach each subject with a willingness to listen and learn.

Upon re-reading my first post this morning, I realize I did sound a bit harsh. I suspected that you either did not read Mr. Goodbody's post, or didn't understand what he was saying, and you in turn were "striking" out.

I may not agree with you or anyone else, but I always listen and try to understand your view. If not, my position would be ignorant.

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 3:03 PM

Farmgirl

Have you obtained quotes from NASE?

http://www.nase.org/

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 3:06 PM

Just a question.

Why would I want to get rid of my employer health plan?? I have a $250.00 yearly deductible and pay less then $1000.00 a year in 'before tax' prem. Forcing me to get 'my own' plan and giving me a $5000.00 tax credit doesn't make sense to me.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 3:25 PM

Pups,

That too escapes me, guess I am not a good conservative.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 3:34 PM

Pups

You shouldn't as long as your hospital employer gives you such a good deal.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 3:38 PM

OK, I'll admit it. This has crossed my mind when a punk cuts in line and then says "f you" when confronted. Anyone else?????

http://video.knbc.com/player/?id=715862

-- Posted by cptfa on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 3:44 PM

Pups said: "Just a question: Why would I want to get rid of my employer health plan?"

One more reason to vote for Obama.

-- Posted by unilib on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 3:48 PM

I'd be interested in hearing from yall with a 'yes' or 'no' if you get a better deal than Pups. Remember he is a single person who is employed by a hospital that receives heavily discounted contracts.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 3:52 PM

unilib

He would have UHC with Obama.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 3:56 PM

allamerican

Well, I would hope that you wouldn't viciously punch a sixteen year old girl.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 3:59 PM

Babe,

Obviously not, that would be illegal. *giggle*

-- Posted by cptfa on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 4:05 PM

The answers are in the blue tubs.

-- Posted by insider63785 on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 4:07 PM

Babe: I have a pretty good deal right now, but never use it. But the good deal won't last much longer. The government will force me onto Medicare next year which will cost me more, even if I don't use it.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 4:11 PM

Babe,

Before I retired, yes, now no.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 4:20 PM

I have a $2,500 yearly deductible. It is provided by my employer and I can see nearly any doctor I wish. However my entire deductible must be met prior to it kicking in for anything other than office visits ($30 copay). If there are labs I msut pay for these. There is Rx plan that is OK. Dental and eye is not included.

This may be an OK plan for the young and healthy and for the most part it is OK for me because it is paid for by my employer. However where I work everyoone in the company must participate even if you have other healthcare benefits otherwise the insurance company was not willing to take on the comapny.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 4:27 PM

Babe said: "unilib, He would have UHC with Obama."

I see... it would be terrible to have the same basic quality medical care that citizens of the United Kingdom, Luxembourg, South Korea, Japan, Finland, Belgium and Sweden have. In that case, vote for McCain and good luck.

-- Posted by unilib on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 4:31 PM

Take insurance out of the health care industry and no doubt cost will decrease as people do more to treat themselves.What will all these doctors in town do then?

If left up to an idividual whether or not to purchase health insurance I wonder how many would opt out?Without these policies I fear the medical industry would spiral out of control.Certainly these two local hospitals would not be spending millions as they are right now with thier expansions.In the Wolf's opinion health care cost and the inflated house market have much in common.It needs an adjustment and perhaps the best way for this to happen is to do away with the Federal Government as we know it today!Health care cost are in my opinion highly inflated.I have no time or desire to discuss the many reasons I believe this to be true.I do however,believe we will not see much change in things concerning health care cost or insurance in the near term.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 4:31 PM

Babe said: "unilib, He would have UHC with Obama."

I see... it would be terrible to have the same basic quality medical care that citizens of the United Kingdom, Luxembourg, South Korea, Japan, Finland, Belgium and Sweden have. In that case, vote for McCain and good luck.

-- Posted by unilib on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, 3:31 pm CD

We have better QUALITY medical care in the United States. You just have to pay for it!

-- Posted by cptfa on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 4:34 PM

Babe,

I was curious if employers would be able to keep current plans. My understanding is that under McCain's and UHC they may not be able to. (hense the force me to find my own plan or take UHC)

From what I gather, the hospital that I work for doesn't have the best plan in the area. I think SF and P&G's plans are better then ours.

Also, with all that I mentioned about my health plan, it does not have vision and only allows for $600.00 a year dental with a $50.00 deductable. So basically dental is only covered for maybe two X-rays, a cleaning and maybe one cavaty a year before maxed out. Heaven help those with kids.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 4:39 PM

Red,

Good to see ya. Hope you are doing well.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 4:46 PM

Pups,

You too, doing OK. Haven't seen you on here much lately.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 4:48 PM

Hilleco

How sweet it is that Medicare (your government coming to help you) insists on being the first carrier. They decrease coverage yearly thus forcing one to buy expensive private secondary coverage. And some folks want more of this?

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 4:48 PM

Before I go. Mind you I am not complaining about my current health coverage. It's just that I had a better PPO plan when I lived in California, but things might have changed back there since I left.

Everyone have a great night and enjoy the nice Fall weather!!

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 4:53 PM

Red,

Just trying to stay out of the daily "my party is better then your party" debates of late. Makes for a much calmer day for me that way. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 4:55 PM

82allamerican said: "We have better QUALITY medical care in the United States. You just have to pay for it!"

Mostly true, especially the "pay" part. I'd say we have more ADVANCED medical care, but not necessarily better care. For example, when you get a medical appointment in many other countries, the doctor will see you AND ONLY YOU during your appointment. Here, it's a common practice to schedule 5-10 patients at the same time, to the point that the physician can't spend more than a few minutes with any of them.

-- Posted by unilib on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 4:57 PM

unilib,

I am taken to a room within 5 min of my appointment at my doctor's office. Doctor is in to see me within 10 minutes of that. And my doctor will not leave the room until he is sure he has answered all the questions that I have. Don't know if he over schedules other patients, but he spends as much time with me as I need of him. (Would give you his name, but from the sounds of it I might loose that one on one time with him if too many people find out about him. lol)

Dang, feeling very lucky about my situation health care wise today. I'm going back to lurking before I do or say something that changes that. hehe

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 5:05 PM

Melange,

Prior to two years ago I never met my deductable in a given year. As I am getting older (we all do it) it has been extremely helpful to have such a plan. Again, I'm very thankful for the plan I have when knowing that I could be paying a heck of a lot more if I had to purchase my own plan.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 5:10 PM

Pups,

I know what you mean about the politics, it is hard for me to get too interested in it this election as I don't care much for any of them so I would be shooting blanks if I got involved in a debate.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 5:10 PM

Pups, I'm envious of your plan and doctor. Sadly, my employer's health plan is not nearly as good as yours, and pretty much every time I need to see a doctor or dentist, it's a test of patience on my part.

-- Posted by unilib on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 5:16 PM

Me'Lange: My insurer demands that I take Medicare when I come of age. I wouldn't have insurance at all if it wasn't for having a wife, I will never use it. Well I did use it about 20 years ago after falling on the ice. My wrist swelled up and I thought that I broke it. It ended up costing my insurer more than $600, a little more than it cost me when I broke my foot, that cost me $60 out of pocket. I did get a lot better service when I broke my foot. I guess that was why it cost $540 less.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 5:17 PM

unilib,

If you don't mind me asking. Is your plan Healthlink or BlueCross?

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 5:19 PM

Me'Lange: There used to be some pretty good doctors around but most have retired that I knew. From my experience and from the experiences of others, I don't have much use for these modern doctors, especially those at Cape. I don't know of any reason for using second rate medical care, I'll take care of myself.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 6:18 PM

Unilib,

Yes, a physician over schedules to account for no shows but 5-10 patients at the same time is an exaggeration.

Thirty seconds with the doc is fine with me if that is all it takes to make the diagnosis. I have better things to do.

-- Posted by cptfa on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 7:01 PM

Me'Lange: There is a heck of a lot more money in not curing, I guess. In Japan I heard that there are tests going on for an inexpensive cure for many cancers. A friend asked if it would be possible to use that cure here in the US if it works. A cheap cure compared to billions in not finding a cure, think about it, I replied.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 7:55 PM

MeLange

As you probably know already, if you have a specialist in this area, you are lucky if you see him/her every few visits. I don't mind seeing a nurse practioner as they are knowlegable and less expensive. But what I do resent is seeing the physician assistant instead, who is not as qualified , but my insurance is billed the same. I have heard that the specialists in St Louis actually examine and talk to their patients personally.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 8:38 PM

BABE

mine does at Wash U

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 8:50 PM

rick

Do you think that is because specialists in cities don't have a monopoly on their speciality as in more rural areas such as here? There is only one orthopedic group here in Cape, for instance.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 9:01 PM

The following lyrics have stuck in my mind for the last 20-something years because the ideas align well with my concerns and hesitations toward government bailouts, UHC, welfare, and other forms of unearned government assistance:

Give a man a free house and he'll bust out the windows

Put his family on food stamps, now he's a big spender

no food on the table and the bills ain't paid

'Cause he spent it on cigarettes and P.G.A.

They'll turn us all into beggars 'cause they're easier to please

They're feeding our people that Government Cheese

Give a man a free lunch and he'll figure out a way

To steal more than he can eat 'cause he doesn't have to pay

Give a woman free kids and you'll find them in the dirt

Learning how to carry on the family line of work

It's the man in the White House, the man under the steeple

Passing out drugs to the American people

I don't believe in anything, nothing is free

They're feeding our people the Government Cheese

Lyrics by The Rainmakers "Government Cheese" from their self-titled album, 1986

-- Posted by fxpwt on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 9:40 PM

Who me,

You are dead on. Canada's screw up has been our blessing. There are several doctors from north of the border, including my own, who have settled in the Cape area.

-- Posted by cptfa on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 9:47 PM

SENATE PASSESTHE "WALL STREET GAMBLING BANKERS BAIL OUT BILL."

That bast*rd, Harry Ried is on CSPAN now lying his a*s off, saying that they have saved the economy, and he is spinning, (lying his a*s off) about this bill.

It will bail out the bankers, the foreign bankers who got in on the get rich scheme that these SOBs scammed while they off-shored our jobs and articially jacked up the price of gas for all of us, causing us hardships in the 8th District of southern Missouri.

Now, Ried's kissin' buddy, Republican Senator McConnell of Kentucky, is on saying the same lying trash that Ried did, just moments earlier. That lying bast*rd McConnell said it wasn't a bail out of Wall Street, that it was a bail out of Main Street. Just who the hell does this SOB think that he is fooling? I think that people down here in southern Missouri are really pi*sed off, and that they are going to let our tratiors, like Princess Fluffy, aka Jo Ann Emerson know how we feel. Emerson will be back from her get the hell out of town trip after her vote on Monday for the bail out, and she should vote again on this bill on Friday.

I cannot say what I would like to do to that POS, Sen. Chris Dodd. Part of what I would like to do to Dodd, Ried, McConnell, et al, involves a bodily function. I don't believe that I am alone in that desire. If I don't get to do it to them while they are alive, I will do it on their graves.

We are headed for a Depression that is going to be far worse than the one of the 1930's.

All that these bast*rds have done is baill out their fat cat, rich bast*rd friends on Wall Street, the investment bankers.

I am so angry.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 9:49 PM

Anyone know which way did our MO senate flunkies voted?

-- Posted by cptfa on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 9:56 PM

Missouri's flunkies voted yes.

Senators who voted No

Here's the quick list of the senators who voted NO on bailout/economic rescue.

Allard (R)

Barasso (R)

Brownback (R)

Bunning (R)

Cantwell (D)

Cochran (R)

Crapo (R)

DeMint (R)

Dole (R)

Dorgan (D)

Enzi (R)

Feingold (D)

Inhofe (R)

Johnson (D)

Landrieu (D)

Nelson (FL) (D)

Roberts (R)

Sanders (I)

Sessions (R)

Shelby (R)

Stabenow (D)

Tester (D)

Vitter (R)

Wicker (R)

Wyden (D)

-- Posted by cptfa on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 10:11 PM

Hehehe or *giggle* if you prefer.

Crapo for a last name and a no vote on the bailout. This guy is destined for great things.

CRAPO FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

-- Posted by cptfa on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 10:20 PM

WHO ME... The Missouri Senators Vote

I knew that Bond would betray us, and expected him to vote to bail out the scummiest, low life bast*rds on the earth, the gambling, greedy a*s POS's on Wall Street.

It was Senator Claire McCaskill who disappointed me. I has hoped that Claire would vote for us, but, during the roll call tonight, she voted YES... to take our money, and NOT ONLY BAIL THE FAT CAT SOB's ON WALL STREET OUT, but, McCaskill and Bond voted to BAIL OUT FOREIGN BANKERS...too.

When his Supreme POS, bush's Treasury Secretary, Henry Paulson was asked in a hearing last week, if the home countries of these FOREIGN BANKS would like to join in, and at least bail their own banks out, Paulson said that none of the foreign countries wanted any part of the bail out plan.

Yes, betrayed by the Republican Bond, but betrayed by the Democrat, McCaskill, too. Now, that is a true bi-partisan royal scru-ing.

My favorite US Senator came through for me. Senator Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, the author of "TAKE THIS JOB AND SHIP IT", voted NO to bailing out the Wall Street slimmy a*s bankers and their foriegn bank slime sucking buddies.

SENATOR BYRON DORGAN.... is a DEMOCRAT. He is my hero, because he is against off-shoring jobs, and against the bail out of Wall Street and the foreign Banks.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 10:20 PM

VP pick for Senator Crapo.......Senator Tester.

CRAPO / TESTER 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by cptfa on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 10:23 PM

82allamerican

"CRAPO/TESTER" I will back that ticket! In fact, I will work phone banks on their behalf. "Good evening madam. I'm calling to see if we can count on your support for the CRAPO/TESTER ticket?......hmm? Yes, that is what I said, CRAPO/TESTER. Oh, I see, you don't think that there would a dimes bit a difference between a President Crapo, or, a President AKAKA. So, I take it that you will be voting for the AKAKA/BURR ticket? "

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 10:46 PM

I think the bill now has to go back to the House since it is now a changed one. The fat lady has not sung yet. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 10:51 PM

So the Senators voted to "ROB" the People to protect their banking friends. Babe is right, it's not over yet, but I expect the House to go along with the crooks in the other chamber.

Wait til the people find out that this bailout solves nothing. There are other groups coming forward wanting bailouts. From crab fishermen to, say that again, bankers.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 11:14 PM

What would happen if we bailed out and rewarded every failure? Now that I think about it we do, we reward the biggest failure of all, the Federal Government. It has failed at nearly everything that it has gotten its hands into.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 11:20 PM

Harry Reid says "this is not a democratic bill or a republican bill and he is right. He failed to mention however that this is a fascist bill which it is.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 11:21 PM

Heck Babe, not only is the fat lady warming up as we speak, it just happens to be Roseanne Barr!!!!!! I just hope she doesn't forget the words to Government Cheese.

-- Posted by cptfa on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, at 11:46 PM

"They were also cheering a decision Tuesday by the Securities and Exchange Commission to ease rules that force companies to devalue assets on their balance sheets to reflect the price they can get on the market."

Equals: ACME could have 5 million in obsolete inventory that they could sell as scrap for 1 million. Sooooo..ACME can now, once again, claim that inventory is worth 5 million. So much for transparency.

-- Posted by cptfa on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 12:03 AM

SENATOR BOND was on HARDBALL saying that there was a company in southeast Missouri that couldn't borrow to make it's payroll.

While that story may, or, may not be true, this "tight credit" has been a TALKING POINT of the bast*rds, like Bond who support bailing the Wall Street POS's out of their gambling jam.

IF THERE IS TIGHT CREDIT, IT IS A PLOY BY THE BANKERS WHO HAVE SOME OF THE LOWEST INTEREST RATES EVER, TO CAUSE PANIC, THUS, GENERATING SUPPORT FOR THE BAIL OUT.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 12:07 AM

I am just wondering.....are the comments posted suppose to relate to what was actually said in Speak Out? If that's the case it doesn't appear that is what's happening.....seems like this is a "chat room" for the same posters....wouldn't an actual Message Board better serve these posters? A person has to sort through a lot of personal posts just to find one that actually responds to a Speak Out comment.

-- Posted by Bickiestew on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 12:11 AM

OBJECTION!!!!!!!!!!

The below post does not relate to what was said in speak out.

-- Posted by cptfa on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 12:26 AM

That is too funny! 82allamerican I needed a laugh before hitting the sack.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 12:43 AM

2/3rds of us said NO, EMERSON said YES"

EMERSON VOTED FOR THE BAIL OUT EVEN THOUGH 2/3rd's of her constitutents were against it?

I first called her Washington office right after her first vote when she first arrived in Washington, still attached to Bill Emerson's burial shroud.

One of Princess Fluffy's first votes was to send $400 million dollars of our tax money overseas to foreign countries for "Family Planning." I called her Washington office to see just what the hell she was doing. The young female staffer explained to me that I just didn't understand. She said, "The president wanted $600 Million for family planning, we only gave him $400 MILLION, ....WE WON!" I kid you not, she said that we had won.

I share all of your disapointment in our elected representatives. However, this year, instead of voting third party, or, for the lessor of two evils, as I have done in the past, I am voting for Joe Allen.

I have met Joe Allen, and have talked with him extensively. He is 100% pro-gun. He is an attorney and, also, serves as the prosecutor for Rockaway Beach. He told me that he would only deny guns to convicted felons who had used a gun in a violent crime, such as in rape, armed robbery, and murder. That's it. He is NOT one of these, "I think that hunters and sportsmen should have their guns" types of slick politicians, NO... JOE ALLEN knows what the 2nd Amendment means and supports our full gun rights. I used to own a semi-auto AK derivative, and feel fully confident that JOE ALLEN would protect my right to do so.

JOE ALLEN is 100% AGAINST THE BAIL OUT OF THE GREEDY BANKERS ON WALL STREET. With Jo Ann Emerson's vote on Monday, we know with whom she stands... the fat cats in the insurance and banking industries. We have had almost 15 years of Jo Ann not even living here. Hell, we all used to rag on Hillary Clinton for being a carpetbagger, with just cause, but, then, we turn around and keep electing our very own carpetbagger, Princess Fluffy.

Why the hell would she ever do as we asked of her, when she has three homes outside the district and has never lived here in her life? Why would be surprised that she voted against us, when she never wanted to ever live amongst us?

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 12:43 AM

JO ANN EMERSON WOULD MAKE A GREAT WAL-MART DOOR GREETER.

You have to hand it to her, she does the ole shakie hand, meet and greet about the best of anyone on the planet. However, when it comes to her votes, Jo Ann has been a disapointment from the first day she went to Washington attached to Bill Emersons burial shroud.

One of her first votes way back when was a vote to give $400 MILLION DOLLARS to FAMILY PLANNING in FOREIGN COUNTRIES. I called her office. Her staffer explained to me that I just didn't understand. "You see, the President wanted $600 MILLION... we only gave him $400 MILLION...WE WON!!!!"

Okay, I was a bit naive, but I didn't think that giving $400 Million to foreign family planning schemes was such a great idea. I wondered, "What could we do with that $400 million back here in the good ole USA?

Jo Ann has been a big supporter of OPIC. The Overseas Private Investment Corporation which hands out taxpayer dollars to corporations who want to MOVE their factories to Mexico, Communist China, and Communist Vietnam.

Jo Ann loves COMMUNIST CHINA. She is almost passionate about her support for the Communist Chinese, as she has voted for every trade bill, MFN (Most Favored Nation Status) and everything else that has come up to help the Communists at our expense.

She talks about "exports" a lot, but about the only thing that Jo Ann has exported is southern Missouri jobs.

Now, Jo Ann Emerson is behind the biggest SOCIALIST scheme to ever come up in Congress. She wants to bail out the Wall Street bankers who gambled with investor money and lost. She wants to pay back the Wall Street bankers with our tax dollars. Tax dollars taken by force from the lowly paid and the affluent alike in southern Missouri.

Jo Ann needs to take a break. While I am sure that the Libertarian candidate is a great guy and all, it is JOE ALLEN, the attorney who serves as a prosecuting attorney for Rockaway Beach, who has the real chance of unseating Jo Ann. Read Allen's positions and see if you don't agree with many of them. The Allen For Congress website is http://allen4congress.com/

Joe Allen is the best candidate in the race. Just go to his website, read his positions. I believe that Rudi did an interview with him on Tuesday (today). It may be posted on the semissourian eslewhere.

Joe Allen is a candidate that Democrats, Independents and Republicans are supporting this year. Jo Ann has raised well over a million dollars from out of state lobbyists contributors in an effort to make sure that she and the east coast, globalist wing of the Republican party hold on to this seat. That is why she voted for the bail out of Wall Street. That is where almost 80% of her campaign funds are coming from.

If you take away that 80% that came from fat cats, Wall Street Bankers, and the Insurance lobby, then she would have raised LESS MONEY than JOE ALLEN in the 8th District.

JOE ALLEN.... believe me, it is JOE ALLEN who we want to represent us. http://allen4congress.com/

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 12:48 AM

Bickiestew

So, comment on a SO comment.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 12:49 AM

I just saw that Neal Boyd won $1 million on a T.V. show. Good for him. If I were him though, I would ask to be paid in gold coins.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 1:01 AM

NEW CNN-TIME POLL....IN MISSOURI

OBAMA 49%, MCCAIN 48%

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 2:06 AM

RG,

You didn't disclose the rest of the pole. Crapo/Tester have the remaining 3%. Goodnight.

-- Posted by cptfa on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 2:42 AM

..just use a little serendippity , right Mel....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 6:46 AM

Where is SO for today

-- Posted by Producer1 on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 10:46 AM

LOL!!!

It's FUN TIME!!

Dare we say it? The McCain-Palin team are two of the least intelligent people who've ever been nominated by major political parties in recent memory. In short, they're stupid.

Look at the way they talk to the media. They are pretentious and simplistic. They've never heard of the color gray. Everything is black or white. Intelligent people know better and won't act that way.

Mighty Mouse Saves the Day!

John McCain is so stupid that he thinks America will buy his ability to "save America" by suspending his campaign, and trying to delay the debate with Obama. He flew to Washington only to attend a meeting that Bush organized for him to star in, during which he said nothing. The pointless photo-op exploded into rage, largely from conservative Republicans who resented McCain and Bush and the cooperating Democrats, all at once. Everyone snuck out side doors to avoid the press, including McCain. The real legislators involved in hammering out a compromise on the bail-out had to calm down and get back to work, now another day or two delayed. When nobody would meet with him or include him in the real legislative meetings going on all over the Capitol, he quickly began to practice for the debate with his advisors and coaches, and then left town without apologizing for his stupid behavior, flying quietly to the debate, reversing his "delay the debate until a bail-out agreement is reached" position from the day before. His erratic, impulsive behavior should outrage us. How blind does McCain think the American voter is? Would a wise, intelligent person have acted this way?

McCain stupidly focuses on the success of the surge in Iraq, even though it is obvious by now that we have killed 4,000 young Americans and wounded 30,000 more, while killing and wounding hundreds of thousands of Iraqis -- needlessly.

Stupid John thinks we are so stupid that we won't remember that he promised a short war in Iraq, that we'd be welcomed as heros. We're still fighting 5 years later, and both religous flavors of Islam fought us bitterly. Now more Americans have died there than died in 9/11's tragic events.

Muddling Through the Real War

John Stupid McCain thinks we won't remember he said we could "just muddle through" the battles in Afghanistan, where the planners and sponsors of world wide terrorism actually live. McCain stupidly thinks Iraq is more important than punishing Osama and his gang of international killers.

McCain has stupidly said we should stay in Iraq a hundred years or more. Can you imagine a smart person saying that?

Other People Don't Need Medical Care

McCain stupidly thinks that it is just fine that 40 million Americans have no health insurance, and never even get annual physicals that could prevent major diseases and cut our total health costs in America by a trillion dollars a year. We spend 2-1/2 trillion bucks a year on health costs, from medicines to hospitalization. Half of this could be avoided if everyone in America had access to medical care like all civilized nations around the world have. Imagine what we could do to solve other problems like developing new energy resources, if we had access to another trillion dollars now going to manage preventable diseases, largely caused by the fact that people don't go to the doctor until their diseases have progressed to the full-blown, very expensive stages. Early detection and treatment could change our world, economically and socially. McCain is too stupid to figure that out.

Veterans Don't Need College Educations or Medical Care

McCain is so stupid that he thinks veterans and all of us would think he is "pro-veteran" simply due to his POW history. Fact is that he has voted against almost every single veteran benefit funding bill to come across his desk in the Senate. McCain has even voted against bills that would help veterans go back to college, as veterans could do after WWII, Korea and Vietnam, but no longer can due to men lke him. McCain has voted against dozens of bills that would have funded medical help for post traumatic stresss disorder PTSD, agent orange, and so on. This man is anything but pro-veteran. But he is so stupid he thinks veterans and Americans won't figure this out.

Sarah McPalin is Smart Enough for the White House

McCain is so stupid that he thinks it's just fine to have Sarah Palin as a running mate, even though it is now plain to everyone that she is even more stupid than he is.

Hobgobblins in High Office

Palin stupidly believes in witches. See the video at YouTube.com. She stupidly believes God talks to her in unknown tongues, thinking gibberish is coming from her God. Oh, she's free to believe any crazy idea she wants in her own life, but not in the White House. Can God by the author of gibberish? Stupid Sarah thinks so.

The Womb is a Federal Zone

Stupid Sarah want the federal government she hates and distrusts to force every woman to take every pregnancy to term, but of course she won't lift a finger to help that woman and her new baby once the birth has happened. Then she doesn't want the government to get into our lives. Huh? How stupid is this, Sarah?

Enough With Chemistry, Biology and Archeology -- Enter 'Eye of Knute, Tongue of Snake' a Witches Brew

Stupid Palin wants something called "creation science" taught in all public schools, along with true sciences like archeology, biology and botany. Exactly WHICH creation story do you want taught, Sarah? The kind where witches were chased out of the Garden of Eden by snakes talking "unknown tongues" gibberish? And, which class would all of this superstitious nonsense replace in curriculums? Physics, mathematics, grammar, American history, geography? Who is to decide exactly what creation science actually is and what it teaches... one of her preachers who talk in tongues and chase witches? We are living in the Twilight Zone these days.

God Has Tunnel Vision -- Sees Only One War at a Time

Stupid Sarah thinks that God sent us to Iraq. One might ask Sarah why her God didn't figure out that sending our troops to Iraq would give Osama and the Taliban time to rebuild their forces in Afganistan and Pakistan. Stupid Sarah obviously thinks that her God is as stupid as she is. Guess Sarah's God was so busy running the 5 year Iraq disaster, that he just didn't have time to tell somebody to pay more attention to Afganistan. Just one little Holy Ghost whisper into Bush's ear might have done the job, but Sarah's own gibberish speaking, witch-hunting version of God could send us to Iraq, but couldn't spare any time to point us at the REAL bad boys over in the northwest mountains of Pakistan and Afganistan. Oh please.

Let's Pretend Foreign Policy

Stupid Sarah thinks WE voters are so stupid that we won't figure out that she doesn't know diddly about Russia, Canada or even the United States. Seeing Russia across 20 miles of ocean gives you foreign policy expertise? That makes perfect sense to people as stupid as Sarah Palin. She keeps telling us this story, because she's too stupid to realize how stupid she looks and sounds by repeating this prattle.

A Road Only Witches Could Love

Sarah Palin is so stupid that she thinks voters would never find out that even though she didn't agree build "the bridge to nowhere", she DID build a "road to nowhere" that went across the wilderness, right to a dead end turn-around located where the infamous bridge would have been built. There's nothing there, Sarah. Not even a picnic table. This shiny new road was built with the money from the bridge-to-nowhere funds not only goes nowhere, there's nobody driving on it. Not a soul, because there's not even a park bench to sit on at the dead end. You just drive down it to the U-turn, and go back where you came from. Cute. How smart is that? And, how stupid do you have to be to brag about NOT building the nowhere bridge, when anyone could figure out that you DID fund the equally stupid nowhere road. Pretty road-to-nowhere stupid.

I won't even go into her stupid, self destructive revenge on her ex-brother-in-law which she stupidly persisted in, even though she risked legal prosecution from officials in Alaska for possible abuse of her Governor's office power.

She Didn't Even Blink!

And, all things considered, Sarah is so stupid that she thinks she is qualified to be Vice President of the United States, and is ready to step into the Presidency in the all-too-likely possibility that McCain may become unable to perform his job due to disease, mental issues or death while in office.

The list of stupidity symptoms could go on and on. These two pinheads barely got through college, and only their maverick label gives them any argument for elective office. But, mavericks or not, these two mini-brains should not be allowed anywhere the White House, unless they are accompanied by a tour guide.

Truth is Unkind to Stupid People Who Want Nuclear Bombs

Is it rude to mention how stupid they are? Well "stupid is as stupid does," as Forest Gump's mother used to say. And with these two, if their actions are any guide to their mental capacities, we've got one whale of a lot of stupid going on.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 11:54 AM

TJ

If Sen McCain and Gov Palin are so stupid then why are they on a ticket for the highest office in the USA while you are here writing intelligent rants? giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 2:21 PM

New Tax earmarks in Bailout bill

- Film and Television Productions (Sec. 502)

- Wooden Arrows designed for use by children (Sec. 503)

- 6 page package of earmarks for litigants in the 1989 Exxon Valdez incident, Alaska (Sec. 504)

Tax earmark “extenders” in the bailout bill.

- Virgin Island and Puerto Rican Rum (Section 308)

- American Samoa (Sec. 309)

- Mine Rescue Teams (Sec. 310)

- Mine Safety Equipment (Sec. 311)

- Domestic Production Activities in Puerto Rico (Sec. 312)

- Indian Tribes (Sec. 314, 315)

- Railroads (Sec. 316)

- Auto Racing Tracks (317)

- District of Columbia (Sec. 322)

- Wool Research (Sec. 325)

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 2:23 PM

Have they pulled the plug on Speak Out?

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 2:35 PM

Red

if they did pull the plug , it's BABE's fault...J/K

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 2:46 PM

Red

Maybe this complaint had something to do with no SO today....

I am just wondering.....are the comments posted suppose to relate to what was actually said in Speak Out? If that's the case it doesn't appear that is what's happening.....seems like this is a "chat room" for the same posters....wouldn't an actual Message Board better serve these posters? A person has to sort through a lot of personal posts just to find one that actually responds to a Speak Out comment.

-- Posted by Bickiestew on Wed, Oct 1, 2008, 11:11 pm CDT

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 2:49 PM

Oh rick, and here I thought you really liked me. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 2:53 PM

BABE

Herr has been saying for some time now that

SO was going away or they were going to change the format .

maybe the time has come .

u know i was just kidding about it being ur fault !

it most proberly is everybody's fault....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 2:58 PM

Babe,

Thanks, I would hope one person's thoughts would not be enough as there have been similar ones in the past, but maybe it was. I hate it, but I suppose life will go on.

Rick,

Actually, I think it was Bush's fault...

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 3:02 PM

Yall don't forget to watch the debate tonight. It's interesting watching the coverage from the floor of Wash U today. Biden and Casskill were just gushing praise of Sarah Palin's debating skills. I just love to see dems using Tom Landry's psychology before the big game. Old Tom always made the other team think the Cowboys were just honored to be playing on the same field. Somehow, I don't think Sarah is going to fall for this. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 3:09 PM

maybe that particlar post was Matt Sanders

ingonito ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 3:11 PM

personally , i hope Sarah rips Biden a new one..hehe

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 3:13 PM

I don't know how well Sarah will do, but there is absolutely nothing either of them could say or do to get me to vote for Obama.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 3:14 PM

rick

I really don't think it is anyone's fault if SO is shut down. If we had to stick strictly to origional SO comments then we would only be discussing weeds, bathroom breaks, highway markers and thanks to a purse found. Discussions do branch off and I find most highly interesting and informative.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 3:27 PM

If the paper was to eliminate SO I would imagine it would just diable the ability to post comments. If anyone receives the print version is SO in there?

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 3:29 PM

Biden's campaign is saying that he is very comfortable debating a woman as he does it in the Senate. Isn't that the sanctuary where they call themselves 'gentlemen' and 'gentlewomen'? I am laughing so hard.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 3:35 PM

Methinks the House is going to be rebellious against the bail-out bill. They might even strip the earmarks and send it back to Reid's committee. I hope they do. Republicans in the Senate cannot do a thing if the dems add the pork except vote up or down.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 3:44 PM

TJ

If Sen McCain and Gov Palin are so stupid then why are they on a ticket for the highest office in the USA while you are here writing intelligent rants? giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, 1:21 pm CDT

Giggles, because I guess they are the best the GOP has to offer right now. ~Giggle

-- Posted by Megalomania on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 3:48 PM

McCain and Obama both voted 'YES' on the bail out ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 3:53 PM

Speak Out is a valuable resource. I disagree with lots of people who post on here, but I don't ever want to see them go away.

When the government decides that no one should have a voice to profess dissent or opinion we are doomed for sure. That day is coming. Until then don't ever stop speaking out, no matter your opinion. Tell your neighbors, speak out in the grocery store line, wherever it is don't shut up. Tell everyone to resist fascism and tyranny.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 5:37 PM

MeLange and everyone

I would like to invite you to a live thread debate party.....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news...

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 6:36 PM

The House will vote for a bailout tomorrow in order to send a message to the world that capitalism doesn't work. The Blue dog Democrats have said that they will not support the bailout package. Ronald Reagan's OMB manager, David Stockton would agree that blue dog Democrats are far more conservative than most Republicans. They wanted a reduction in government spending during the Reagan Administration when Republicans refused to follow their president.

The message to the rest of the world is "Keep whatever economic system that you have, ours has been a failure, and that the US is rapidly adopting the evangelical model of National Socialism".

-- Posted by BCStoned on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 6:56 PM

I don't know the Democrat that is running against Jo Ann Emerson, but he is even close to being a Blue Dog Democrat he has mine and my wife's vote. We're so fed up with the socialist Emerson that we will swallow our pride and vote for a d**m Democrat, as dad used to call them.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 7:06 PM

Me'Lange get a laptop and use a wireless mouse and keyboard with it. That way when you go across the creek to the Northeast 40 to do photography you can still have a computer.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 7:10 PM

Me'Lange you are absolutely right. I do worry about one of my children that bought a house earlier this spring. But I do have the room for him and his family if things don't work out.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 7:14 PM

Me'Lange..what's wrong with ur picture?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 7:35 PM

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher, whose hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Palin.

The old rancher said, “Well, ya know, Palin is a ‘Post Turtle’.”

Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a ‘post turtle’ was.

The old rancher said, “When you’re driving down a country road you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle.”

The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor’s face so he continued to explain. “You know she didn’t get up there by herself, she doesn’t belong up there, and she doesn’t know what to do while she’s up there, and you just wonder what kind of idiot put her up there to begin with."

Sorry, just couldn't resist posting this one ... Can think of several 'post turtles,' and not just in politics.

Ummm ... "...McCain/Palin ... Buckwheat and Spanky." ??? Fair being fair, might we be able to say something like Oldfart and Ditzybroad (trying to be a little kind here), too? I just hate these stupid 'nicknames' games which make most people sound really ... uh ... Never mind, y'all can fill in the blank there, but will give you a Hint: intelligent isn't one of the answers.

The above comments are the fault of InfoWarrior, whose great (IMO) post encourages us to never stop speaking out, etc. ;-)

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 7:38 PM

wouldn't Buckwheat and Spanky fit Obama/Biden

better then McCain/Palin?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 7:51 PM

To all my liberty loving friends...

If you are "represented" by Jo Ann Emerson, please shoot her a message and voice your displeasure with her recent support of the economic bailout bill. Here is the link...

http://www.house.gov/emerson/

It's too late for the Senate, but if anything we can get a little pucker factor outta Jo Ann!

-- Posted by Lumpy on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 8:16 PM

Article 1, Section 7 of the U.S. Constitution, "All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills."

-- Posted by Lumpy on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 8:34 PM

WHO ME?

But he has cool hair.

"Exxon/Mobile shouldn't get a 5 million dollar tax cut."

But don't they pay anywhere from 30-40 million last quarter?

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 9:21 PM

Biden "Four Billion dollar tax cut!"

Which one is it?

Global warming is Man Made?! Watch this winter. It is gonna be bad. Farmer's Almanac said so. Man Made. Biden, just checking in.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 9:35 PM

Lumpy: According to the Constitution all revenue raising bills are initiated in the House. But the Constitution is no longer law, both Democrats and Republicans ignore it except for Ron Paul. We are no longer a nation ruled by law but by men. The pledge to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic no longer applies. When GW Bush said that the Constitution was just a (profanity used here) piece of paper that exists in the archives, not one soldier stood up to defend the Constitution. So the Federal Government is a lawless institution.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 9:40 PM

Biden is wrong wrong wrong, it won't take 10 years to get 1 drop of oil out of a well. I know oil. Sen. biden you are no oilman.

It takes around 30-60 days to drill a well, depending on the depth. It only takes a few weeks to set up the pumping units, then oil is flowing. For those who are ignorant to this, pumping units are those "horse heads" going up and down into the ground.

This is total crap.

Our gas wells here are taking 30 days to drill and within a week, natural gas is flowing through the pipes. Aggie.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 9:43 PM

Thats my girl, bring up "sit down without pre conditions". Nail his A**.Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 9:49 PM

He's a good speaker. I will give him that. Spin(ish) but good.

Nuke use? Why are we asking the Veeps this question?

Big deeeeeeeep breath Biden. Just breath bud.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 9:58 PM

InfoWarrior

"Harry Reid says "this is not a democratic bill or a republican bill and he is right. He failed to mention however that this is a fascist bill which it is."

Actually, it is another brick in the road towards Socialism. Pretty cool analogy, huh.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 10:19 PM

Well, that Palin turtle didn't stay on the post for long. She did a great job tonight.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 11:20 PM

Valid point Fajar. Better yet it probably would be best described as a strange brew mixture of fascism and socialism. Those congress critters both repubs and dems don't give a flying flip what the people want. They will do what their corporate banker masters want them to do. This is only the beginning of their treachery.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 11:40 PM

My suspicions on the bailout; JP Morgan Chase bails out WaMu and Citigroup bails out Wachovia. This tells me that JP Morgan Case and Citigroup cut a deal with the government to relieve those investment banks of their mortgage packages. The bailout is to cover any loses that JP Morgan Chase and the Rockefellers might run into. I believe that the bailout was a set deal, that is why they are in such a hurry.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, Oct 3, 2008, at 12:43 AM

....."Palen did a great job tonight."

Apparently, BABE was watching FAUX NUZ... that is the only place on the planet that Palen did "a great job."

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Fri, Oct 3, 2008, at 12:46 AM

InfoWarrior

More governmental (mental) involvement is the last thing we need. True Capitalism is what drives this economy. Not the manderings of the fake gods pearched high on Mount Olympus DC.

Has the under world froze over? Because you and I ARE in agreement. First time!

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Oct 3, 2008, at 12:53 AM

Once again, Hilleco, you are the man with the orginal STRAIGHT TALK...

This looming "credit crisis" is a crock and bull story, too. The "credit crisis" is just a sham to get businessmen and others to call their congressional reps and demand that they do something. That something, of course, is to bail out the greedy bast*rd Wall Street bankers.

The Federal Reserve has plenty of liquidity. They have made money readily available to the banksters, but the bankers will not lend it. These guys are no whimps who are "afraid" to loan money. These bankers are withholding the money to get the bail out passed. The "crisis" is all a sham, a decietful plan to get their way.

Back in '68-69, one of the most popular things that my Marine unit wrote on their helmets in Vietnam, was "KILL A COMMIE FOR CHRIST." Another was, "THE ONLY GOOD COMMIE, IS A DEAD COMMIE."

I look forward to the day when we can write such profound statements about bankers on our "helmets", bumper stickers, T-shirts, yard signs and highway billboards.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Fri, Oct 3, 2008, at 12:57 AM

Goodbody

I think a t-shirt with "Some Officers are Full of Sh*t" is a good one too.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Oct 3, 2008, at 1:32 AM

What the???? I typed "Loan" in front of officers! No lie.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Oct 3, 2008, at 1:34 AM

PUT YOUR VOTE WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS...

Fajar, and a few others have expressed their opinions in opposition to the Wall Street Bail Out bill that Jo Ann Emerson voted for on Monday. Republicans and Democrats joined forces to defeat it. Perhaps as soon as today, FRIDAY, Jo Ann Emerson (Gladney) will vote on it again.

Have you called Jo Ann's Washington Office and told her staff how you feel about her treachery? Of course, it was impossible to talk Jo Ann directly, because as soon as she voted on Monday against all of us back her in the district that she governs from afar, she got her little but on a plane and headed to KOSOVO... to "see the troops." What a nice jesture. So much nicer than coming back here and explaining why she betrayed us. Yes, so much better.

Harry Truman, a famous Missourian said, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." Emerson not only got out of the kitchen, she got out of the country.

Emerson's handlers wrongly guessed that if she left the country for a few days that we would forget that she voted against us, and for the Wall Street Bankers, who made their own mess, and now, Emerson and her banking friends are coming after us to bail them out.

BABE listed a lot of the things that they have put in the Senate bill to "sweeten" the deal and get congressmen to pass it. Emerson didn't need sweetening...she already liked the bill.

I take issue with Rudi Kellers assertion that Emerson voted for the bill on Monday AFTER changes were made....

WHAT CHANGES?????????

According to John Culbertson, a Texas Republcian Congressman, the reason that he voted AGAINST the bill is because it allows the Treasury Secretary, in this case, Henry Paulson, who came from Goldman Sachs, to do as he **** well pleases. No oversight... okay, when they talk that there may be oversight, it is the SEC Chairman and the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, the same bast*rds who, along with Paulson helped to create this mess. Talk about your fox watching the hen house, man, it is unreal what they want us to swallow.

Then, according to Republican Congressman John Culbertson, THE BAIL OUT OF FOREIGN BANKS IS STILL IN THE BILL.... if I read Rudi's excellent artcile correctly, it seems to me that EMERSON LIED TO RUDI KELLER... If I were Rudi, I would be one peeved journalist.

The bill gives the Treasury Secretary the power to buy any corrupted worthless financial paper, from any bank, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.... It is not limited to mortgage loans.... The BAIL OUT BILL WHICH EMERSON VOTED FOR, WOULD ALLOW THE TREASURY SECRETARY TO BAIL OUT ANY BANK IN THE WORLD.....YES...that is what I said...SOUTHERN MISSOURI TAXPAYERS WOULD BE FORCED TO BAIL OUT FOREIGN BANKS....

Culbertson and others said that the SEC Chairman, Chris Cox, could tonight, with his pen, inject TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO THE BANKS, by GETTING RID O F MARK TO MARKET... a questionable accounting procedure that the bankers dreamed up to make more money. Now, they are scru-ed, so by getting rid of MARK TO MARKET, it would put TRILLIOINS back into the banks, according to Republican Congressman Culbertson, who actually read the 110 page bill.

OH...on the subject of pages... has anyone else heard that this 110 page bill, was beefed up to 450 pages by the US Senate?

So, no matter what, Fajar, are you going to vote for that carpetbagger, that traitor, Jo Ann Emerson?

How about the rest of you?

I like JOE ALLEN... he is pro-life and 100% 2nd Amendment. He worked hard, worked his way through school the hard way at the School of the Ozarks, and then got his law degree in Oklahoma. He returned back to southern Missouri. He has lived here, whereas EMERSON has NEVER LIVED HERE.

I admire third party candidates, and have voted for several. However, this election, we have a true resident Missourian, a 2nd Amendment Missourian, who is sharp, but not cocky. Joe Allen is a man who would represent us, and not the special interests.

Two more years of Jo Ann Emerson, or, give Joe Allen a chance to prove himself?

After two years, if you disagree, you can send him home, but I don't think that we will. I think that we are going to like Joe. If you re-elect Jo Ann Emerson, you know what you are going to get. More Wall Street bail outs (you know this isn't the last), and other sneaky votes that are against our values.

Has Emerson snuck back into the country yet, or, is she still waiting for the heat to die down?

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Fri, Oct 3, 2008, at 1:46 AM

RG,

I will not vote for Emerson. Now for the million, or in this case 800 billion, question. Will you be voting for Claire McCaskill next time around????

-- Posted by cptfa on Fri, Oct 3, 2008, at 2:08 AM

I APOLOGIZE, COMMUNIST CHINA ISN'T ALL BAD.... I ENDORSE THEIR METHOD FOR DEALING WITH CORRUPT POLITICANS AND GOVERNENT OFFICIALS......

an oldie, but a goodie... why can't we have this type of forward thinking applied to corrupt politicians and businesmen in America?

"Party official executed for taking bribery

(Xinhua)

Updated: 2004-02-21 08:56

A top county official was executed Friday in this capital of southwest China's Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region for bribery and abuse of power, said.

Wan Ruizhong, former Communist Party secretary of the region's Nandan County, was convicted of taking bribes and abusing his power, and executed following approval by the Supreme People's Court.

Wan was also convicted of plotting to cover up a mine accident that killed 81 miners in July 2001, according to the Nanning City Intermediate People's Court.

The deaths occurred when the county's Lajiapo mine, which was under Wan's direct jurisdiction, flooded July 17, 2001.

Investigation of the accident led to the exposure of Wan and other corrupt officials in the county.

Wan was also sentenced to the confiscation of his personal property of 500,000 yuan (about US$60,000), and his illegal income of 2.68 million yuan (US$323,000) has been turned over to the national treasury.

His appeal was rejected by the Guangxi Regional Higher People's Court Aug. 26, 2002.

Only a day before Wan's execution, Yan Zhihua, another prefectural official, was sentenced to one year in prison with a two-year reprieve for his role in the cover-up.

Other officials responsible for mine accidents in the area have been sentenced to death, 10 years and 13 years in prison, respectively, for their roles in similar cover-ups."

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Fri, Oct 3, 2008, at 2:22 AM

Fajar, the way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if Hades was freezing over too. Heck I bet we have more in common than not. Well... that is except for my beliefs about the New World Order being behind all the craziness going on. You got to admit that things are pretty much fubar. right? lol

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Fri, Oct 3, 2008, at 2:38 AM

82allamerican...

A FAIR QUESTION, WILL I BE VOTING FOR CLAIRE MC CASKILL FOUR YEARS FROM NOW?

The answer is, NO, HELL, NO....

In 2006, I didn't think that I would ever vote for her. Then, I liked the fact that she came to southeast Missouri in her Senate run, something that she failed to do when she ran for governor.

I heard her speak in Bollinger County at a fish fry. I felt that she understood our 2nd Amendment rights. I shook her hand and decided that I would vote for her, and I did.

I expected Bond to betray us, as well he did. I had hoped that Claire McCaskill, whom I thought that Obama should have picked as his running mate, is a very attractive, and intelligent woman. I did not know how she would vote, but thought that she would think long and hard before she voted for the bill. I guess she only asked Republicans and Democrats in Kansas City and St. Louis. I don't suppose that she called anyone in Birch Tree, Couch, Doniphan, or, Wardell and asked them if she should vote to bail out those low-life bast*rds on Wall Street. I know that she didn't seek my counsel, and I doubt if she did yours, either.

I am on a number of emailings, including those from both parties, and third parties. I got one in from a Democrat Senator Wednesday night. I replied to it in language that would not only get me thrown off her, but hung, as well. I know language... my grammar may be poor, but I majored at SIU in vulgar and obscene phonetics, and their print derivatives.

Up until Wednesday, I was so pleased with Claire McCaskill. She had visited southeast Missouri several times, had visited our Veterans facilities here, and was apparently, investigating Iraq war profiteering. I was beginning to have nightime fantasies about her.

Wednesday, she destroyed it all. No, I will not vote for Claire McCaskill. To be fair, I can asure you, that had we elected Jim Talent, that he would have voted to scru us, also.

So, in four years, if the McCaskill has a primary challenger, I will vote for that person, even if it is a pig. If the Republicans regain their sanity and put up a Ron Paul, clone sans that Libertarian penchant of offshoring our jobs, for US Senator, that person will be my choice. If none of that happens, I will vote for a third party, or, write in Saddam Hussein.

Truthfully, I don't believe that even President Saddam Hussein, if he were our senator, would have betrayed us as badly as JO ANN EMERSON, MC CASKILL AND BOND.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Fri, Oct 3, 2008, at 2:42 AM

Info

NWO, may not be a "Dark Matter" item. Seen, but unseen. I never truely believed in it, but with certian events coming about; Mexian Truckers, Super Highway, Government Bailouts, and the like. We are on the edge of something terrible. Sounds like a present version of a Star Wars episode.

Goodbody,

I've called Jo Ann's office three times today to voice my disapproval. As well as Blunt's and McCaskil's (sp). Something to do while on the road. But I fear that, like Maxeen Water's explaination today that WE (the people) don't understand.

Good night guys.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Oct 3, 2008, at 2:53 AM

If a Republican sheds tears in a debate, it's a "blessed emotional moment"... if a Democrat does the same, it's because "it worked for Hillary". Yep, apparently we liberals have no soul, faith, emotions or honor. Only conservatives do.

About the debate: The FOX News pundits are saying Palin did great... that translates to "she didn't shoot herself in the foot too often". They're happy about that. No need for substance. Overall, Biden was a source of information and knowledge, while Palin didn't have much to say. She either IS shallow, or she's trying to dumb it down so her constituents can understand more complex points. I felt that Biden treated the American people with more respect by using language and behavior that are expected of a vice-presidential candidate.

Just to lighten up...

"A farmer in Ohio has carved a corn maze in his field in the likeness of Sarah Palin. The way it works? You you enter and suddenly realize you're way over your head." --Amy Poehler

-- Posted by unilib on Fri, Oct 3, 2008, at 2:54 AM


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