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Speak Out 9/15/08

Monday, September 15, 2008

On the stump

THOSE OF you who think this election will ultimately be decided by the candidates' stands on the issues have too much faith in the rational and reasonable side of human nature. Appeals to our emotional and irrational nature will determine the outcome of this election, something that currently favors John McCain. However, lest Democrats get too down in the dumps, Bill Clinton is hitting the trail. If he campaigns in the degree to which he is capable -- there is none better. I'll take Clinton over a room full of Sarah Palins any time.

More accountability

IF YOU happened to miss the Sept. 9 column by Michael Jensen, please take time to read it. He talks about poverty and the need to help people who are truly needy. But he also speaks of those who have learned how to game the system. I see some of those people every day, and it angers me to know how hard others work to barely make ends meet. Somewhere, somehow, there needs to be more accountability for all this free money.

Energy myth

ENERGY INDEPENDENCE is a myth for now. If we drill, we will still be dependent on foreign sources for oil. We should do it anyway, because it will create the myth that we're energy independent, and everyone knows that what people think is true is much more important than what is actually true.

Service and pregnancy

THE MEN and women of this country who join the military and go to war and don't come back home have done so willingly. My husband is in the Army. I know the risk he is taking. So does he. He does this so we can be safe in this country. A baby is innocent. If you find yourself pregnant with an unwanted child, I beg you to please carry the child, have it, and then give it up for adoption. Don't end the baby's life, before it has even had a chance. So many men and women would love to have children but can't for whatever reason. If God did not want that child on this earth, he would not have given it to you to carry. You can't compare the two things. One is a service that people volunteer to do, knowing the risk. One is just plain murder.

Gasoline prices

I RECALL the first time that oil traded at or slightly above $100 a barrel. Fuel prices for gasoline at local stations in Cape Girardeau were around $2.79 a gallon. Why is the pump pricing today not close to the previous cost of $100-a-barrel oil? Should we ask our elected officials to investigate gouging?

Accepting help

TO THE person who said we don't need any social programs: I'm sure if you were in a wreck and became disabled, you would want benefits like Social Security disability and Medicare. I am a disabled veteran, and sometimes things happen beyond our control and we are forced into taking a social program. Until you walk in someone else's shoes don't criticize him.

Parade bullies

I WOULD like to thank nine teenagers for taking the experience of the SEMO District Fair parade away from my three small children and all of the children around us. I would also like to thank the mothers of these 15-plus-year-olds for allowing them to tag team on both sides of the street and take the candy away from all of the youngsters who were trying to pick it up. My 5-year-old son was in tears by the end of the parade. They should all be ashamed of the way they acted.

My hero

SOME MONTHS ago I fell and broke my hip in three places right outside my door. I was alone. It was getting dark, and I was screaming. Out of nowhere, this man comes by. He is a hero. He carried my into my house where we called an ambulance. I've been in the hospital for two months. If he hadn't found me, I wouldn't be here to thank him, but I have no idea who he is. I thank you, hero.

Job protection

AS LONG as we continue to buy stuff made in China, we're encouraging our manufacturers over here to move their operations overseas. We think it doesn't affect us, but it will eventually. We have to have free trade, but it has to be fair trade, and our people over here are going to have to quit demanding guaranteed work from automobile people like they have in the past.

A good rodeo

I'D LIKE to compliment the rodeo at the fair this year. It was nice. It's a small rodeo, but the animals were well kept, and they put on a really good show. I love to watch the animals work. I also thank God for animal rights people who have cleaned up a lot of these rodeos. Everyone really did a good job.

Research funding

FUNDING FOR the National Cancer Institute has been flat during the past three years of the Bush administration at about $4.8 billion. At the same time, the war in Iraq is costing the U.S. taxpayers $10 billion a week. At the current rate, 43 percent of Americans will develop cancer in their lifetime. We should all let our legislators know how out of balance our government has become.

Honoring the fallen

I WOULD like to congratulate and thank the person who wrote in about putting the memorial up for the fallen soldiers. I think that is a neat idea.

Thanks for help

I WOULD like to thank the good Samaritan who stopped and helped the carrier who was stuck. I didn't get his name, but he was a wonderful person. Many people went by, and I didn't have cell service to call anyone. He was kind enough to help me pull my car out. God bless you.

Crossed destinies

I'M SO proud to learn that my alma mater, Southeast Missouri State University, is printing Tom Cushman's upcoming book. I knew when I heard Cushman's name mentioned in the Beastie Boys song, "Hey Ladies" from their late 1980s album "Paul's Boutique," that this was a man of destiny and that someday his destiny and mine would cross.

Mineral wealth

I WANT to comment about the uranium some experts think is in Mississippi County. About 15 to 20 years ago there was an article in The Wall Street Journal that said within a 500-mile radius of Rolla, Mo., are the richest minerals in the world. There is an unlimited amount of coal and oil, but we can't use it because of the environmentalists and crooked politicians. Our minerals could make Missouri a wealthy state. Missouri could be the mineral capital of the world. We've got a commodity here that could make us all wealthy. We need leadership to help us develop it.


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"Gasoline prices"

"I RECALL the first time that oil traded at or slightly above $100 a barrel. Fuel prices for gasoline at local stations in Cape Girardeau were around $2.79 a gallon. Why is the pump pricing today not close to the previous cost of $100-a-barrel oil? Should we ask our elected officials to investigate gouging"

Good question. In fact, why is gas at $3.69 and climbing? Why do these fat cat Republican oil company heads, get on TV and tell us that we will never see $2.00 oil again? That was way before oil hit $100 a barrel.

They are gouging us. They are gouging us at the pump, and then they are price fixing and betting on oil prices in the unmonitored foreign markets, thanks to John McCains economic advisor, former Republican US Senator Phil Gramm. It was Republican Senator Phil Gramn who, in 2000, snuck a bill by in Congress that allowed oil companies, and Wall Street investment firms, Republican fat cats all, to go overseas and bet on the future price of oil, in commodity markets that are unregulated, no oversight, and allow wild west type betting of all kinds on the price of oil. That allows them to artifically drive up the price of oil, through their foreign betting. It is called the Enron Loophole, and you can thank John McCain, his economic Advisor, the Father of the Enron Loophole, and the Republicans for sticking it to you.

Cape is a Republican town. Don't complain about how the fat cats got to you, just be happy to be Republican. All will be well in the world. No matter how badly they take you to the cleaners, keep voting Republican. Enjoying the ride to the bottom?

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 4:54 AM

"Parade bullies"

"I WOULD like to thank nine teenagers for taking the experience of the SEMO District Fair parade away from my three small children and all of the children around us. I would also like to thank the mothers of these 15-plus-year-olds for allowing them to tag team on both sides of the street and take the candy away from all of the youngsters who were trying to pick it up."

Those teens are prime examples of future Republicans. Cape is a Republican town. When they grow up, they will do even worse things to your children. Their parents didn't control them, because these Republicans feel that they have the right to everything that you have, including your children's candy. If you think that times are getting bad now, just wait until these future Republicans get control of government. You will vote them in, just for the fact that they are Republicans and you never look at the candidate, only the party label.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 4:58 AM

"Job protection"

"AS LONG as we continue to buy stuff made in China, we're encouraging our manufacturers over here to move their operations overseas. We think it doesn't affect us, but it will eventually. We have to have free trade, but it has to be fair trade, and our people over here are going to have to quit demanding guaranteed work from automobile people like they have in the past."

Well, here is the problem, friend, you are confused as hell about trade issues.

You demand FREE TRADE, then you say that Free Trade must be FAIR TRADE. Free trade is NEVER FAIR.

Wow, this statement of yours is incredibly goofy. "AS LONG as we continue to buy stuff made in China, we're encouraging our manufacturers over here to move their operations overseas."

You are blaming us for buying "stuff made in China," like we have a choice of buying American, or, Chinese made goods. That boat sailed about 15 years ago. Time to wake up Rip Van Winkle, while you slept, your friends, your party, the Gas and Oil Party, the Republicans shipped just about every **** job in America to foreign, low wage, COMMUNIST countries to make fortunes off of 30 cent an hour slave wages, while they sold the goods that these workers made back to you at top dollar, at prices at least as much, often more than when they were made here.

Oh, kind Republican sir, or, madam, there is no "eventually" to it. The off shoring of jobs has already affected Americans by the millions. Republican Off Shoring of jobs has caused record unemployment. Low wage jobs that won't pay the bills, or, NO JOBS AT ALL have replaced our better paying jobs that did. Republican off shoring of our jobs has created a credit crisis in America, with home foreclosures at levels not seen since the Great Depression. Come to think of it, the Republicans were in charge of the White House and our economy back then, as well.

Vote Republican, Lose your job.

Vote Republican, Lose your Home.

Vote Republican, need health care, you are on your own.

Vote Republican, and you will continue to bail out Republicans and their fat cat friends on Wall Street who made bad decisions in their get rich quick schemes, and gambling on investments. Now you, and your taxes from your low paying job are going to bail out the Republicans and the Wall Street parasites, and you won't even get a thank you for it.

Vote Republican, it is the party of values. Sure, they have some pretty crummy values, but they talk pretty to you when they steal your money. Go for it.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:11 AM

Globalization is EVIL, it is not a natural occurance.

We have record HIGH unemployment, not LOW unemployment. The August unemployment rate was 6.1 percent, as we lost another 84,000 American jobs.

I believe Me'lange to be wrong about her theroy as to what led to globalization.

Globalization was not a natural economic occurance. It was planned, orchestrated, and concieved to do what it is doing. Make a few people even more rich than they were before the invented globalization.

What do you think that these people discuss when they meet in secret in Davos, Switzerland? What does the G-8 discuss? What does the Bilderbergers discuss? "Hi, Harry, how's the grand kids? Want to see pictures of my wife?" I think not.

Globalization is contrived, it is evil, it will destroy our middle class, and that was their motive in launching it.

We do not have a Free Market Economy, it is very much controlled. The gamblers, the fat cat, low life Republican scum on Wall Street, take risks in their financial schemes, called investing. When they win, you never see them as they never come around and share their winnings with you.

However, when they lose, they never really lose. We make up their loses at the gambling table. We, the people who work the night shift at the convenience store. We who toil in the hot sun roofing, laying brick, repairing downed electric lines, selling Avon, running the register at the supermarket, or, retail store. We the lowly paid, and the vanishing middle class pay off their debts, so that they can go back and bet again, knowing that if they bet and lose, that we will bail them out again.

It's time for change alright, it is time for revolutionary change, the old fashion way.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:26 AM

Republicans emit "moral clarity"? Please, is anyone stupid enough to believe this?

-- Posted by iago1 on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:25 AM

"Moral Clarity" among Republicans?

That would be an oxymoron. Nothing either clear, nor, moral about most Republicans. Democrats are often no a whole lot better, but they are nicer to you when they scru you.

Republicans are nasty about it. They do it behind your back, lie to you, then denigrate you after they are done with you.

A paper on the "moral clarity" of Republicans would be a significant work of fiction.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:40 AM

Here come the PAK's! Turned back a US attack.

Afghan Occupation forces were repelled early this morning, Kabul time, when the armed forces of the nation of Pakistan fired upon invading, border crossing helicopters flown by US occupation troops in Afghanistan.

"Pakistan troop fire turns back US helicopters "

15 Sep 2008, 1549 hrs IST,REUTERS

"ISLAMABAD: Firing by Pakistani troops forced US military helicopters to turn back to Afghanistan after they crossed into Pakistani territory in the early hours of Monday, Pakistani security officials said.

The incident took place near Angor Adda, a village in the tribal region of South Waziristan where US commandos in helicopters raided a suspected al-Qaida and Taliban camp earlier this month.

"The US choppers came into Pakistan by just 100 to 150 metres at Angor Adda. Even then our troops did not spare them, opened fire on them and they turned away," said one security official.

Pakistan is a crucial US ally in its war on terrorism, and its support is key to the success of Western forces trying to stabilise Afghanistan.

But Washington has become impatient over Islamabad's response to the threat from al-Qaida and Taliban fighters in Pakistan's tribal regions on the border. At least 20 people, including women and children, were killed in the South Waziristan raid earlier this month, sparking outrage in Pakistan and prompting a diplomatic protest.

Pakistani army chief General Ashfaq Kayani said in a strongly worded statement last week that Pakistan would not allow foreign troops onto its soil and Pakistan's sovereignty and territorial integrity would be defended at all costs.

Another security official said on Monday that US armoured vehicles were also seen moving on the Afghan side of the border, while US warplanes were seen overhead. He said Pakistani soldiers sounded a bugle call and fired in the air, forcing the helicopters to return to Afghan territory.

Military spokesman Major Murad Khan confirmed that there had been shooting. But he said the American helicopters had not crossed into Pakistani airspace and Pakistani troops were not responsible for the firing.

"The US choppers were there at the border, but they did not violate our airspace," Khan said. "We confirm that there was a firing incident at the time when the helicopters were there, but our forces were not involved."

The New York Times newspaper reported last week that US President George W Bush has given clearance for US raids across the border. The raid on Angor Adda on September 3 was the first overt ground incursion by US troops into Pakistan since the deployment of US forces in Afghanistan in late 2001.

The United States has intensified attacks by missile-firing drone aircraft on suspected al-Qaida and Taliban targets in Pakistani tribal lands in the past few weeks. "

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/artic...

Ah, things are not going so well for the drug peddling, illegitimate US puppet regime of Afghan "president" Karzai.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:45 AM

note to Robert Goodbody : these ugly , sleazy ,

no-count Republicans do this stuff because they can .

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 7:00 AM

Service and pregnancy,

I'm pro-choice. So, first off, why does this caller care about what somebody does to their own body? The unborn does not have a birthday, a social security number, or even taken its first breath. How is it murder and, again, how is it any of your business?

Gasoline prices,

Supply and demand. Go ahead and thank those large Asian countries and the people who continue to drive 80+ mph on the interstate in their large trucks and SUVs.

Parade bullies,

You should have acted then and there.

My hero,

A little late, don't you think?

Job protection,

I'm just amazed that we have all of this business with communist China but we can't deal with Cuba. I demand Cuban cigars and Havana Club rum.

Research funding,

Oh they know. Remember, they look out for their own interests, not ours.

-- Posted by isobar on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 7:51 AM

....i think too much grant money to Universities

and labratories will disappear if a cure for cancer was found .

there is little ambition to find a cure when their

research money goes away .

....yes , there have been gains on the finding/treating of

cancers , but no magic potion or pill that guarantees

100% free of cancer for life.

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:13 AM

WHO IS GIVING MONEY TO PETER KINDER? WHO IS PETER KINDER GIVING OUR TAX DOLLARS TO?

Found this story elsewhere in the Southeast Missourianl.....

"Kinder's biggest contributions were three checks for $100,000 each from David Humphreys, Ethelmae Humphreys, both of Joplin, Mo., and Sarah Humphreys Atkins of Arlington, Va., owners of Tamko Building Products. Tamko touts itself as the nation's leading independent manufacturer of residential and commercial roofing products."

What did Kinder give the Humphreys? "Good government?" Sure, right, that was it, good government.

I wonder how much Kinders fat cat Republican friends who built those ballpark condos in St. Louis gave him? After all, Kinder was not cheap with our money, and poured millions of Missourians tax payer dollars into the St. Louis ball park condos from a fund of our tax dollars which he contolled.

Here's a short story from the St. Louis Business Journal, detailing how Republican Peter Kinder gave us the business, or, should I say shaft and his fat cat Republican cronies building the BallPark village condos, about $30 million of our tax dollars. Hell, Blunt cut Medical care for the poorest of Missourians, so that Kinder could give millions to cronies. Sweet of you, Peter.

" An expanded Ballpark Village project received approval at Tuesday's Missouri Development Finance Board (MDFB) meeting in Jefferson City."

"The board voted to contribute more than $29 million to the project, according to Bob Miserez, MDFB executive director.

The new plan calls for an additional 36,000 square feet of retail and restaurant space -- for a total of 360,000 square feet of development in Ballpark Village -- said Missouri Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder, who is chairman of the MDFB. In addition, developer Cordish Co. will include 250 condos in the project. Ballpark Village will encompass six blocks immediately north of Busch Stadium.

The state's investment will be proportionately smaller and the developer's larger in the expanded Ballpark Village, Kinder said.

The deal was negotiated by Greg Steinhoff, director of the Missouri Department of Economic Development (DED); Sallie Hemenway, director of the department's Community Development Group; and Cordish officials.

Last month, during the MDFB's regular monthly meeting in Jefferson City, the DED recommended that the first phase of the Ballpark Village project receive $26.8 million for the first of two funding components."

http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/s...

A couple of years ago, Peter Kinder insisted that we taxpayers in outstate Missouri pay for the new St. Louis Cardinals stadium that some of his fat cat Republican friends were going to build in St. Louis. Then, Kinder turns around and slushes funds from an agency that he oversees to something called Ball Park Village, condos for fat cat Republicans in St. Louis.

Peter Kinder needs to be defeated so that he can go back to doing something where he doesn't have the opportunity to hurt Missourians.

I don't know much about Sam Page, but he has to be a **** sight better than Kinder. I'm voting for Sam Page as Lt. Governor.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:16 AM

Please vote for Sarah, she's so pretty and sassy..............

-- Posted by changedname on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:22 AM

Rick,

Where would the American Cancer Society be if there was a cure for Cancer? There is too much money, in my opinion, as you pointed out, in slush funds to universities for "research grants." Non-Profits pay huge employee salaries, especially, to those who head up the organizations. In Charlotte, North Carolina, the person in charge of the United Way chapter there, makes over $1.2 Million a year. There are big bucks in Non-profits, but it wouldn't be very "profitable" if there was a cure for cancer.

Cancer is scary. It is a great motivator to raise contributions for those who "fight" it. Finding a cure for cancer, would force these people to find other gainful employment. Not an easy job given today's employment conditions in the US. Not to many jobs paying $1.2 million dollar salaries.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:25 AM

dexterite.... Did you see Sarah Palin skit on Saturday night live?

This video has had over 185,000 online views.

http://www.youtube..com/watch?v=6QbgXQ4X...

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:40 AM

Oh yes, the attacks on the harlot Palin continue

Apparently the former small town Mayor was a former Hooter's girl who like to brag about her bosoms.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31...

It appears the sexual objectification of the female body is no problem for the white trash Governor from the crack town of Wasilla. She is an embarrasment not only to John McCain and the Republicon Party, she's an embarrasment to women everywhere.

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:44 AM

Blame off shore drilling and the Palin/McCain ticket for the price gouging folks! We wouldn't have to worry about it if we'd refer to alternative fuel sources. Get a life and stop whining you stupid republicons!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:46 AM

Just admit it, Peter Kinder is a homosexual. There's no foul in admitting the truth. No foul against being a homosexual either. The foul is Peter Kinder living a lie. Why else would he have turned down a chance at being Governor? Yep! Scare Holschoff would have exposed him. Such a weasle!

-- Posted by Megalomania on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:48 AM

SARAH PALIN SATURDAY NIGHT VIDEO OFF OF YOUTUBE, BUT CAN BE SEEN ON NBC SITE.

Here you go, very funny sketch for Palin and Hillary from last Saturday Night Live.

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/v...

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:53 AM

Hello all,

It's a pretty day down here so far, and wow there are alot of comments on SO.

My hero, to bad there aren't more out there like that, but then again I think there might be more we just don't always hear about them.

Service and Pregnancy, I agree with you what you said, I just more did and also wish that maybe adoption wasn't so expensive. I'm glad they are strick about who they put kids with, but the expense is rather unfair. Their are alot of parents and foster parents out there who are not wealthy, but don't have the money for the expenses to adopt. I do know that some companies that you work for will sometimes help pay for adoptions.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:59 AM

Morning everyone

Parade Bullies: I just would have had to say something to them. And their mother was probably not around. Who would be brave enough to hang out with nine teenagers. LOL

I agree with Melange about the local hospitals and the patient dollars. IF you are self pay and actually PAY your bill, you get charged about 2/3 more than they pay the insurance companies. But if you call them on it, they won't offer to cut your bill.....

There are some people who genuinely need disability. However,those seem to be the people who can't get it. People who have worked for 20 years and then have a major health problem are told they can get a different job...for minimum wage, and still pay for all their meds, and have no insurance, because no one will cover them.

Off to work.

-- Posted by tinks89 on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:59 AM

Oh yes the parade, my brother took his children, there were alot of rude people there. All so alot of politicing going on. Once person saw and over heard what my brother said about a certain presidental candidate and keyed both sides of his vehicle, don't you all think that was nice. It's like saying for my guy or gal or else.

The teenagers, it's a shame that alot of them act the way they do, however I know alot more who wouldn't act that way. It just really hurts the ones who aren't that bad.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 9:04 AM

Has Jay Purcell stopped by this morning?

-- Posted by Ike on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 9:25 AM

Robert Goodbody

if a cure were found for cancer , where would all

of that "research" money go ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 9:34 AM

MacCain can't use the computer. Just goes to show you how out of touch this man is. He loses feeling in his hands if his arms are elevated for long periods of time, but that is a window to peering at MacCain's age. So what about his character.

He has his secretary type what he needs. Sounds a little prejudiced against old vets.

So this is a HUGE issue B Hussain? Keep it up. That leg you had to stand on will be kicked out soon.

Speaking of prejudiced, I'm still NOT voting for NObama because he's black.

Oh and I just said that while in Downtown Chicago! Here come the Obamanistas!

-- Posted by fajar154 on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:35 AM

The nation has learned at great, tragic cost that conservatives can't be trusted to prevent terrorist attacks, bring the top Al-qaeda kingpin to justice, wisely initiate and manage foreign wars, or control spending and responsibly regulate the economy. Now, with the benefit of empirical hindsight, perhaps it's time to publicly recognize what everyone now knows: republicans have done a very poor job.

-- Posted by Ike on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 11:10 AM

The biggest problem obviously isn't that McCain can't use a computer. It's not even that he's too old for the position. The big problem is that he doesn't use his brain frequently enough to make decisions (which was demonstrated by his bottom 0.003% class ranking at the Naval Academy). The last thing we need is another self-righteous nut making life-or-death decisions based on his "gut feeling" and trying to "see through other people's souls". That obviously didn't work, so let's please give a chance to the intelligent guy who actually thinks before making decisions and considers diplomacy a must.

Many people in this area only worry about one issue: abortion. For them, there's no other problem to be fixed. Apparently, they don't drive gas-guzzling cars or have mortgages to pay and jobs to keep. The entire list of other problems can wait as long as Sarah Palin has a chance to help overturn Roe-Wade. Well, breaking news for you all: we have other priorities and I hope the majority of people in this country will see this in time for elections. If this election is won on pigs and lipsticks, instead of positions on real issues, it will be a real shame.

PS: the Palin-Hillary video posted below is simply too funny. "Ask her about dinosaurs" LOL.

-- Posted by unilib on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 11:26 AM

Mineral wealth: "We've got a commodity here that could make us all wealthy." Yep, just look anywhere else in the world with lots of minerals and look at how wealthy they are. Statistically the more mineral exports a country or state has the poorer the citizens are. Unlike industries that create finished goods or provide value added services the mining industry doesn't provide much room for either middle class occupations or for small business owners.

-- Posted by Nil on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 12:03 PM

unilib

Not debating McCain's grad rank with you. Just love how much there is that is an issue depending which capitolized letter is in front of whomever's state.

Funny thing; Bush has been called a moron, idiot, whatever for all these years and it turns out that the ONE thing that EVERYONE has been whining about was found to be factual.

Sorry if I don't buy half the cr*p the media spews out all of the time.

Oxford Dictionary

Organize: 3 (a) enroll new members into a labor union, political party, etc.

Awsome Barack.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 12:08 PM

OPINION,

just some food for thought. If McCain, a Republican, is siding more often with Democrats then would it not make sense that Obama, a Democrat, would side more often with Democrats as well. Perhaps it is McCain showing his true colors, so to speak.

-- Posted by SWBG on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 12:25 PM

Just me posted...

"Mr. McCain has been more likely to team up with Democrats than with members of his own party. Democrats made up 55 percent of his political partners over the last two Congresses, including on the tough issues of campaign finance and global warming."

Finally.....

You see, even Mr. McCain understands that the Democratic party is moving in the right direction, and has teamed up with them consistantly. Obama has no reason to team up with someone(s) who are heading the wrong way! I applaud Mr. McCain for moving to the left. Unfortunately, if elected, he would not be able to continue to do so because of the "powers that be" in the Republican party. The same ones who forced this VP nomination on him.

Yes this is indeed going to be interesting....

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 12:27 PM

opinion dude,

Got to agree with you on the class rank thing. Like the old joke goes:

What do you call the person who graduates last of their class at med school?

Doctor

-- Posted by SWBG on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 12:30 PM

The New York Post has been criticized since the beginning of Murdoch's ownership for what many consider its lurid headlines, sensationalism, blatant advocacy and conservative bias. In 1980, the Columbia Journalism Review asserted that "the New York Post is no longer merely a journalistic problem. It is a social problem - a force for evil."[30]

-- Posted by all_i_hear_is_blah_blah on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 12:46 PM

this is the information i found on your source of knowledge... the ny post

-- Posted by all_i_hear_is_blah_blah on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 12:47 PM

Appears the market is a bit rocky.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/W...&

Glad to see Cape City will be picking up after the storm. Spent too many hours with the chain saw yesterday.

Opinion Dude,

Read the article from the NY Post (which is not noted as a bastion of literary achievements). Appears to be suggesting that a troop withdrawal at this time would look favorable on the Republicans.

However that same story could easily be twisted to suggest that Obama is urging prudence in the withdrawal efforts and the Republican regime would be speeding up any withdrawal efforts in an effort to gain favor with the voting public.

All depends upon how you choose to twist it.

-- Posted by SWBG on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 12:48 PM

This is getting a little frustrating. Oil is down to $97/barrell. I figured it to go up after the weekend storm. I do not know if the supply of gas will be affected much or not. Good to see oil keep dropping but when gas does not come down it seems a bit fishy.

-- Posted by SWBG on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 12:53 PM

parade bullies

Where have all the real men gone? Several were needed to put a knot on these young punks head.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 12:55 PM

SWBG

Refineries are still shut down in Texas.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 12:59 PM

I once heard a comment that George W. Bush had bankrupted every company he had ever headed. Think he did it again? Food for thought.

Veterans: Please please get the actual facts on how Sen. McCain voted with President Bush in order to cut the VA spending, hold the military pay raise below the inflation rate each year and how Sen. McCain has voted on veterans issues for the past 8 years. Don't take my word for it look it up. The DAV gave Sen. McCain a 20 out of 100 as a protector of military and veterans rights.

Guess I just have a hard time with someone saying we have Heroes fighting in the Middle East, but think they are scum and welfare recipients when they get back. I don't understanding that thinking.

Gov. Palin said we would go to war with Russia if Georgia was in NATO. She doesn't realize we could not we do not have the military strength to attack Lichtenstein.

-- Posted by oldvet on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 1:01 PM

Just me and my opinion: Think you missed my point.

-- Posted by oldvet on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 1:06 PM

Just me and my opinion: Again read my post. The people on here are so quick to defend they never actually read anything. They just attack because they think they are being attacked. I said in the last 8 yrs. Yes I agree Sen. McCain was a staunch supporter of the military man until he got neutered in the 2000 election. I would have voted for him in 2000, but he is not the same man now. Sorry but one must be able to look at people in the present also.

But again I will never try to change someones mind in Missouri. Facts are only fodder here.

Later folks and Me'Lange good to see you still typing.

-- Posted by oldvet on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 1:20 PM

Food for thought:

If you spend 3 years as a community organizer growing your organization from a staff of 1 to 13 and your budget from $70,000 to $400.000, then become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new African American voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor then spend nearly 8 more years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, becoming chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, then spend nearly 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of nearly 13 million people, sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you are woefully inexperienced.

If you spend 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, then spend 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, then you’ve got the most executive experience of anyone on either ticket, are the Commander on Chief of the Alaska military and are well qualified to lead the nation should you be called upon to do so because your state is the closest state to Russia.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 1:24 PM

· Black teen pregnancies? A “crisis” in America.

· White teen pregnancies? A” blessed event”.

· If you grow up in Hawaii you’re “exotic”.

· Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers; you’re the quintessential “American story”.

· If you name your kid Barack, you’re “unpatriotic”.

· Name your kid Track; you’re “colorful”.

· If you’re a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fully vetting the individual you’re reckless.

· A Republican who doesn’t fully vet is a “maverick”.

· If you are a Democratic male candidate who is popular with million of people you are an “arrogant celebrity”.

· If you are a popular Republican female candidate you are “energizing the base”.

· If you are a younger make candidate who thinks for himself and makes his own decision you are “presumptuous”.

· If you are an older male candidate who makes last minute decisions you refuse to explain, you are a “shoot from the hip” maverick.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 1:39 PM

Who Me

I think Bill Clinton covertly campaigned against Hillary on the trail, just for spite. I really believe he didn't want her to win. She had to spend much time pulling his foot out of his mouth. Or he could very well be exhibiting the first signs of Alzheimers.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 1:41 PM

Some other Republican vs. Democratic points of view:

· If you manage a multi-million dollar nationwide campaign, you are an “empty suit”.

· If you are a part time mayor of a town of 7000, you are an “experience executive”.

· If you have been married to the same woman with whom you’ve been wed to for 19 years and raising 2 beautiful daughters with, you’re “risky”.

· If your cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you’re a Christian.

· If you’re a black single mother of 4 who waits for 22 hours after her water breaks to seek medical attention, you’re an irresponsible parent, endangering the life of your unborn child.

· If you’re a white married mother who waits 22 hours, you’re “spunky”.

· If you’re a 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton, the right-wing press calls you “First Dog.”

· If you’re a 17-year old pregnant unwed daughter of a Republican, the right-wing press calls you “beautiful” and “courageous”.

· If you teach abstinence only in sex education, you get teen parents.

· If you teach responsible age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 1:44 PM

What a bunch of idiots!!!!

-- Posted by ilostcannedheat on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 1:44 PM

suelynn

I don't like the organization that he was paid to work with...ACORN.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 1:47 PM

cannedheat

And the beat goes on...giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 1:48 PM

Babe - I know some older folks who they helped quite a bit. And you certainly can have your opinion. giggle

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 1:49 PM

Suelynn: You better watch it some idiot here will be wanting to beat you up. Cause that's what real Right Wingers do in Cape. Let's see it has been the nut with the bullets, minute-man, aggiefan, farja was gonna choke someone out, plus others that can't argue issues only slander. But hey it worked with the idiots 2 times before it may work again.

-- Posted by ilostcannedheat on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 1:50 PM

Babe: Yes it does.

-- Posted by ilostcannedheat on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 1:51 PM

Who Me

I didn't expect YOU to read it any other way. Kind of like not being about to see the forest for the trees. I'll explain...it was more of a republican vs. democratic point of view thing, not so much a comparison of who they are.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 1:58 PM

What a bunch of idiots!!! Got cannedheat in my heels tonight.

-- Posted by ilostcannedheat on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 1:59 PM

ilostcannedheat

Thanks for the warning.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 2:08 PM

cut and paste day , whatever happened to the original thought .

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 2:36 PM

I just heard on MSNBC that the Red Cross is having to borrow money to take care of folks in Texas. Is there any lie they won't tell to get more contributions?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 2:49 PM

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion,

I was not referring to the need of a college degree or not. I was referring to McCain's inability to follow rules and make sound decisions based on reflection, as opposed to quick decisions based on how he's feeling that day. A college degree does not prevent someone from making dumb decisions, as Mr. Bush clearly demonstrates. Obama, on the other hand, tends to study the situation and make informed decisions after reflection.

I also noticed that you pasted a lot of dubious negative articles about Obama here, one after the other. That reminds me of the GOP strategy used in all elections, which I think/hope won't work this year because democrats are finally fighting back. Before you think about swifboating Obama, check this out:

John McCain's Journey From Maverick to Liar

"McCain flip-flopped on the Bush tax cuts. He abandoned immigration reform. He reached out to Jerry Falwell and other religious conservatives. (...) Because he cannot very well motivate Republicans by reminding them of the times he and they have quarreled, he has to distract and dissemble."

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/john-farrell...

Once Elected, Palin Hired Friends and Lashed Foes

"Throughout her political career, she has pursued vendettas, fired officials who crossed her and sometimes blurred the line between government and personal grievance, according to a review of public records and interviews with 60 Republican and Democratic legislators and local officials."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/pol...

Sarah Palin's "Iraq Trip"—All the Way up to the Border

"Given that it was her "trip of a lifetime," Sarah Palin and her aides seem to have an awfully tough time recalling its details. Like the fact that the Iraq leg of her trip consisted of going to a checkpoint at the Kuwait-Iraq border."

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/robert-schle...

McCain is smearing himself

“Has Sen. John McCain renounced his longtime antagonism toward the Army’s Future Combat Systems? (...) The old McCain, McCain the maverick, believed the FCS is fatally flawed and tried to kill it. But when Obama took the identical position, McCain the corporate cow pony took over, citing Obama’s position as evidence that he is weak on defense and won’t protect America."

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-...

Rove Says McCain Goes Beyond 'Truth Test'

"McCain has gone in some of his ads -- similarly gone one step too far, and sort of attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the 100-percent-truth test."

http://www.wnbc.com/politics/17476200/de...

McCain and Palin Are Trying to Take Political Lying to the Next Dimension

"McCain now has his own long trail of stunning lies, both about his opponent Barack Obama and McCain's dubious reputation for clean politics."

http://www.alternet.org/election08/98764...

-- Posted by unilib on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 2:59 PM

opinion dude,

gotta go with rick on this one. you do better on your own rather than the cut and paste.

more to the point. comparing legislative records is an exercise in futility. BO in no way shape or form is gong to have the legislative record that McCain has. Not because McCain has been in the senate longer but because of that longevity he has the opportunity junior senators do not have.

people who choose to vote for BO are not doing so based on accomplishments but rather based on promise and hope. that is what the entire campaign is based on. if what gets people elected is legislative accomplishments then Ted Kennedy should be president.

-- Posted by SWBG on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 2:59 PM

Suelynn,

Great posts! And so true. We all know if the tables were reversed what the "far right's" spin would be on the pregnancy et.al.

As far as Bill and Alzheimers....I have often thought the same about BABE....giggle

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 3:02 PM

You know I've been reading these comments off and on for the past week and especially the last few days. Tell me out of both our presidential candidates they both sound horrible with what you all are putting up, I don't care for either one, but I have to be honest reading all this negative stuff makes me not want them even more. I think our country is going to be in even more horrible shape than it is now. My main point is if their are others reading and hearing this stuff those who don't keep on top of it at all will be more easily swayed (to whatever side tells them what they want to hear the most which is really nothing new), or they will be even more confused as others are. I usually don't have so much trouble deciding who to vote for, but this time is really different.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 3:09 PM

WhoMe,

Not trying to change your mind about the Salvation Army or anything, but when I was little we had a house fire right after Christmas. My dad went to the Salvation Army for help and they told him they didn't believe him. They refused to help us in any way shape or form, so we lived with my grandparents for 6 months or so. My parents will not donate anything to this day to them.

As for the Red Cross I learned when I was helping with the Katrina Flood victims not to donate to them, donate to the church or someone else who actually makes sure the victims get the help they need.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 3:30 PM

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion said: "I just want to know what he's done for his constituants?"

I'm sure you could have found this yourself, if you only had tried to. But I have a feeling you really didn't want to, because you have your eyes closed and both hands covering your ears. I'll save you some time:

Obama's Record in the Illinois Senate

"In Senator Barack Obama's eight years in the Illinois Senate, he built a legislative record that helped him win the election to the United States Senate in 2004. Here are a few of the more than 800 bills he sponsored."

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007...

Obama's Experience and Accomplishments

"Adds health insurance for 20,000 children, Welfare reform, Earned income tax credit, increased minimum wage ($5.15 to $6.50). Death penalty reform making interrogations be video taped passed Senate 58-0, signed to law by governor who first opposed Obama’s bill. Sponsored bill probing police profiling. (...) 100% approval rating: League of Conservation Voters, Planned Parenthood. National Education Association gives him an “A” on their most recent scorecard."

http://www.obama08-wa.com/files/experien...

Obama's Senate Record

"Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 570 bills in the 109th and 110th Congress. Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 15 bills that have become LAW since he joined the Senate in 2005. Senator Obama has also introduced amendments to 50 bills, of which 16 were adopted by the Senate. His record is in fact quite impressive for a junior Senator from Illinois."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/21/...

If you need more, try this: http://www.google.com

-- Posted by unilib on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 3:41 PM

I'm interested in thoughts of folks here who were so critical of those in New Orleans during hurricane Katrina. Everyone who was under a mandatory evacuation before Ike were provided transportation out of the area if needed unlike the people of New Orleans. They were critical of how the people reacted to the profound neglect by complaining. And now we see this....

MSMBC News

"We want our citizens to stay where they are," said a weary Galveston Mayor Lyda Ann Thomas, who estimated up to 20,000 people were still on the island. "Do not come back to Galveston. You cannot live here at this time."

In Houston, tensions were rising among more than 1,000 who had spent several nights at the George R. Brown Convention Center because most of the city is still without power. They complained that they couldn’t get information about how to get food and clean clothes. The city’s mayor said only 1,300 people were inside, but those sleeping on cots said it felt like thousands.

Michael Stevenson, 37, had wandered from shelter to shelter since the storm struck before ending up at the convention center. At one shelter, he said, he barely ate.

“They give you a little cup of water every four hours. They feed us one peanut butter and jelly sandwich. We were in there for about 18 hours before we could go outside and get some air,” he said.

yada yada yada

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 3:43 PM

"Throughout her political career, she has pursued vendettas, fired officials who crossed her and sometimes blurred the line between government and personal grievance,"

All politicians do the same thing. Also many of their wives do it. Nothing new to any party.

-- Posted by WHO ME? on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, 2:33 pm CDT

BUT she's the maverick and reformer...or perhaps not.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 4:12 PM

I have been "indisposed" for a couple of days and was anxious to get back on-line again until I read today's postings. In a nutshell, Republicans are bad and stupid while Democrats are brave, noble and intelligent who feel the need to constantly remind everyone.

I am going to go read a book.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 4:22 PM

Twiggy

I'm interested in what problems you saw with the Red Cross while you were volunteering.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 4:35 PM

Hey we're just pointing out some facts...Republicans just hate the truth. Seems to go against some of them.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 4:36 PM

Really Who Me? Better tell Palin then, 'cause I heard her say they were both mavericks and reformers.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 4:38 PM

WHO ME

Better go back and watch the interview and that way you can hear it from her own lips (she'll be the pitbull wearing lipstick).

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 4:41 PM

WHO ME

McCain thinks they (he and Palin both) are running against Obama...that's why he want to keep her with him - she's the one that draws the crowds. On The View, he said they were just alike...mavericks and reformers. McCain said that Sarah is going to reform Washington. When Walters asked him who, how she was going to reform Washington...he was left speechless and frustrated. Seemed a little upset.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 4:46 PM

Babe,

Lets just say that if you want the money to go to the victims you need to donate it to them, not to Red Cross. Red Cross takes a portion of the donations to pay for their help and etc. it's better to donate it to a church that is helping the victims. That way you know it will actually be going to them, not to pay for others helping those who need help.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 4:59 PM

Me'Lange,

I don't know if I would term it frustrating exactly, but will accept that characterization. The bashing just seemed to begin early and never went away. I don't think you will find a post of mine in which I have done so. Just because I might disagree with an individual, politician, or political party doesn't mean one of us is stupid, just that we disagree.

Maybe because I am more Conservative, it seems lopsided.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:02 PM

Red_Rhino said: "In a nutshell, Republicans are bad and stupid while Democrats are brave, noble and intelligent..."

I'm sure there are intelligent Republicans out there, as I'm sure there are stupid Democrats too. It's the ratio of these elements within each party that makes the labels.

Nowadays, the GOP party is filled with right-wing religious nuts who want to put bibles in science classes and teach our kids that humans and dinosaurs lived together 4,000 years ago; or that a fertilized egg has "brain activity" (see Speak Out a few days ago); or that natural disasters are God's punishment for the lewd acts of some (interestingly enough, the lewd acts of Republican lawmakers largely go unpunished... see the very funny but true posts by Suelynn below).

This growing side of the GOP is indeed bad and stupid, to borrow your words. Maybe when the Republican party stops proselytizing 1800s religious ideas and anti-science antics the country will be united again.

Obama, at least, is not opposed to science and keeps religion to himself, as EVERY politician should do. He also has character and displays the signs of a great leader, one who listens and makes careful decisions to benefit his people. He is also what you call "intelligent" (certainly not at the bottom 0.003% of his class--yes, that's 3 thousandths of one percent, McCain!!!!).

-- Posted by unilib on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:16 PM

opinion dude,

I don't know what the format will be but if memory serves me right the last presidential debates looked less and less like debates and more and more like infomercials. There was a time when candidates would get to play off each others comments but more and more it is merely a reporter asking a question and each candidate answering...hardly a debate. And in such a situation Obama may come out looking surprisingly good.

-- Posted by SWBG on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:20 PM

MeLange

I called about the truck. I got the same response as you.

Now, why is with the school board needing help?

I can't physically participate in volunteering but I could possibly do phone work. Actually, I need a volunteer myself to change light bulbs and reclamp my stove oven broiler that fell down. It's the little things you can't do that drive you crazy.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:24 PM

I will be very glad when this election is over.....

-- Posted by tinks89 on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:25 PM

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion

You can pick, pick, pick, but it doesn't change the facts.

Hey, don't believe me...I invite you to check out the interviews for yourself.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:26 PM

SoILfarmgirl,

You and me both, I just hope whoever gets in the office will actually do something good for the people.

Did you all get any bad weather or much damage?

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:29 PM

Caps Queen,

Sorry, can't make your Make a Difference Day committee meeting since some people actually work for a living. Gee, I'd really like to though...I just can't decide...let's see...work or go to the Make a Difference Day meeting, work or go to the Make a Diff...think I'll just work.

Oh, my thoughts on the Jefferson MAP debacle...what else do expect from a government school?

-- Posted by Hawker on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:36 PM

Me'Lange

I'll offer an opinion on MAP and the scores, but I don't live there and it won't matter much. I totally agree that something needs to be done...I can't believe parents aren't up in arms...screaming for something to be done. Some on the board seem to "get" it, but more reporting needs to be in the newspaper. Who voted and how on the issues? What is being said and by whom? How are schools going to get those scores up?

The issue with grade- level attending centers would be difficult. It would be a new adjustment for students every year, much tougher than just going to another grade level. It would also be a challenge for parents and parents don't need another challenge that would have an impact on attending parent/teacher conference and connecting with teachers. J/MO

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:38 PM

MeLange

I have some input for the schooling situation; vouchers for parents to send their children to any school in the area, both public and private.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:39 PM

unlib,

You must have been horribly frightened by a Republican as a small child and have never been able to get over it. Just an attempt at humor.

With age often comes wisdom and sometimes senility, don't know which is affecting me the most. I just try not to think ill of any one group of individuals.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:44 PM

On way

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:45 PM

Pups,

Hey how are you?

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:47 PM

In Educational rankings Arizona (McCain's state) ranks 50 and Alaska ranks 46th (Palin's state). BTW There are over 500 charter schools in Arizona.

http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:49 PM

MeLange

Are you seriously under the impression that Ralph Nader does not receive PAC monies?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:49 PM

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion said: "...except when he inexplicably states "my Muslim faith". "

Only members of the "bad and stupid" bloc of the GOP still believe this.

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion said: "You remain in the minority about BO's ability to lead this Country. The six attributes voters most often look at in choosing a candidate – compassion, patriotism, experience, intelligence, integrity, and leadership."

Last I checked the polls showed both candidates tied, so there's no "minority". Where do you get your information from? Fox News? By the way, there's absolutely no way McCain trumps Obama in any of those attributes above, except maybe for experience--but that's simply because he's been around MUCH longer. LOL.

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion said: "And I corrected your erroneous posting on BO's supposed record at 3:00pm."

I just showed you where to find the answers to your question. If you think they are wrong, or if you are shocked to learn that Obama actually has experience working hard for his constituents, then please send your complaints to the New York Times and US News editors who gathered all that information from public sources. If you don't like him, fine. It's just you and your opinion. But you can't erase his accomplishments from the books just because you expected them to be inexistent.

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion said: "(September 15th, 2008 in the year of our Lord)"

This helps to prove a point from an earlier post.

-- Posted by unilib on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:50 PM

Melange

I don't know what you mean by "leveling the population of the concerning groups"? What do you propose?

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:54 PM

unilib

Some folks would consider your post to be one of bashing and name calling.....

"right-wing religious nuts"

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 5:57 PM

MeLange

Some folks would consider this namecalling...

some folks think YOU are a horse's BACK-SIDE!!! :-)~

-- Posted by Me'Lange on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, 4:41 pm CDT

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:07 PM

suelynn

I think MeLange is talking of "bussing" which has been a failure in the past.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:19 PM

Unilib

I saw the combined polls too and they show an even 45/45 with 10 undecided.

"but he made the slip in the context of a lengthy discussion" is a low blow.

Yes, Obama could have worded it better, but it was clear what he was saying. BTW anyone who is truly a Muslim wouldn't say my Muslim faith, they would say my Islamic faith (Muslims are followers of Islam - the religion).

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:21 PM

Just,

Just curious as I haven't bothered to go look at the actuall polls today, but is the 2 point difference with in the margin of error? There by making it a tie? And admittedly since I'm unaware of the actual poll there might not be a margin of error.

Twiggy,

Doing good, cleaned up neighbor's downed tree on my new fence yesterday. Other then that I will say fared much better with Ike then those in your region. Glad you are safe!!! How's Nickey doing?

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:34 PM

The major problem with busing, is most parents want to send their kids to the neighborhood school. It's easier for them and most of the time the teachers are just as good. Many times the individual grades don't change after a move, and that low group remains low. If it is a minority from a poor neighborhood and that same minority is also found in a wealthier neighborhood, that could change scores overall. Research has shown students coming from a higher income family tend to do better in school. BUT, my question is this: While busing does buffer the school district, is it really better for the students? Are we all about the district or are we about the student? What needs to happen is a very directed focus on improving scores in that low performing school. That will take parent involvement and ownership. The district needs to see that it happens! That is how the board directs its staff.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:38 PM

Pups,

Nickey, is doing pretty good, trying to take it easy. Which is kind of hard to do with her son, and up until yesterday when it was really hot she was miserable because her A/C wasn't working and her landlord still hasn't fixed it.

Glad you fared well from the storm, hope your new fence didn't get to messed up.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:39 PM

Just,

I'm assuming its a straight forward 'populace poll'. Have you checked the 'electorial college' poll? I think Obama is still leading there, but who knows if that will hold. As was the case in 2000 the populace vote isn't what elect the President.

Though I know you know this, because your wisdom of the current political arena is greater then mine. Meant honestly not a slam.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:40 PM

In the latest CNN survey of several recent national polls, Obama and McCain are locked in a dead heat at 45 percent each with 10 percent who remain undecided with 50 days remaining until Election Day.

“When we average the latest national polls, it is increasingly clear that neither candidate has any serious momentum at the moment,” said CNN Senior Political Researcher Alan Silverleib

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:42 PM

Twiggy,

Actually got lucky when all said and done. Thought I was going to find damage when I got the tree cut away, but luckily the other trees and the ivey kept it to just leaning on rather then crashing through. There was definately an "OH CRAP" moment when I first saw it. LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:44 PM

Just,

I personally like Rasmussen. There numbers are a running three day average so it does not seem to 'bounce' like some of the others. Now, I'm not saying I like their current numbers, but hey it is what it is. (a little humor).

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:48 PM

They direct and evaluate the superintendent on doing his job. His job is making sure students get the education offered and one way is through his principals. They too are evaluated and if they don't find a way to "get it done" then they are gone. And if the superintendent can't direct his principals then he is gone.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:49 PM

Just,

Are the three state you mentioned earlier in the "toss up" area of the EC map? Just curious if with those three it puts McCain in the lead EC map wise?

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:52 PM

Just,

Thanks, I actually had not known that about Gallup. I found Rasmussen a few years back and that's the one I usually check with. As I honestly feel polls are misleading sometimes.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:56 PM

Well got to go.

Just,

Lets just say we disagree on that one. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 6:58 PM

maybe The_Doctor had to return to the mental facility.

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 7:10 PM

Of course it's tough, but that's why the superintendent makes the big bucks. If it was easy, it would have already been done and we wouldn't be having this discussion. It will take action and leadership. And it will upset some, but the bottom line is these kids need their educaton too.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 7:13 PM

PEEK A BOO!!

Any Trouble makers (republicans) in here?

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 7:45 PM

Nope Silent,

Just us evil Democrats/Liberals. haha

Hope you had a safe and nice weekend Bob.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 7:54 PM

Lets get things started;;

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Q: Why should Democrats be buried 100 feet deep?

A: Because deep down, they're really good people.

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Q: How can you tell there's an afterlife for Democrats?

A: Because after they die, they lie still.

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Q: What's black and brown and looks good on a Democrat?

A: A doberman

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Q: What happens when you cross a pig with a Democrat?

A: Nothing. There are some things a pig won't do.

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Q: What's the definition of "a shame"?

A: When a busload of Democrats goes off a cliff.

Q: What is the definition of a "crying shame"?

A: When there was an empty seat

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-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 7:57 PM

Re: mineral wealth

1) Can this 500-mile radius be narrowed down? Dude, or dude-ette - that like covers half of the continental U.S.

2) Doesn't matter how much of the stuff is available, the 'wealth' opportunity will still depend on the market value.

IIRC, central MO is/was known as the lead belt. Probably worked out pretty good until UNleaded gas became the norm.

Then, there is actually a town called Asbestos up here in Quebec, which is known for its ---- wait for it ---- asbestos pit mine. They aren't doing so well lately either.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 7:58 PM

yes

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 7:59 PM

Aaahhh now Silent,

Here I was being nice. Oh well that'll teach me. haha

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:00 PM

I LOVE THAT PIG JOKE!!!

Obama's a rookie!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:00 PM

VOTE FRAUD, A POSSIBLITY IN THE EFFORT TO OUST COMMISSIONER JAY PURCELL?

Just my Opinion, but I wonder if these shadowdy, contolling groups,that run Cape, will resort to vote fraud to unseat our District 2 Commissoner Purcell?

Do our optical scanners have small modems in them that transmitt vote totals?

I just hope that Commissioner Purcell is prepared for any vote fraud eventualities. Those optical scanners, according to investigative news reporters, can be rigged to give false print-outs of the vote tallies. I saw this being done by an investigator, in 2004, I believe, as part of a demonstration that the opitcal scanners could be rigged to provide false vote totals, and results. He didn't used a computer and modem to change the results, if I remember, he used a card with a digital information strip on it, much like that which is on our credit cards.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd7...

Does Cape Girardeau use the ACCU-VOTE machines made by Global Election Systems, or, an optical scanner system similar to it?

http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd7...

"Dr. O'Halloran verified his bombshell findings from the following sources: (1) Global Election Systems which makes the popular Accu-vote optical scanner; (2) the web site (www.mrcp.com) of the largest supplier of computer voting systems in the USA, Business Records Corporation (BRC); (3) PJ Lyon, 25 year computer veteran with BRC at Berkeley who maintains the BRCs source code; (4) Penelope Bonsall, long standing spokes person for the FEC; and (5) the Clerk's Office of Birmingham, Michigan."

Dr. O'Halloran also confirmed by contacting Doubleday Publishing of Kalamzaoo, Michigan which sells the GES "Accu-Vote system, "A programming technician matter-of-factly told me that there are modems inside each of the vote counting computers which are used to transfer results from dozens of precincts to computer counting computers. They talk between modems. There is a modem between each computer unit." This means the voting counting computers can talk to a central computer mainframe and are vulnerable to outside access. Dr.O'Halloran went on to say, "The Doubleday technician explained that special command cards can be inserted into the machine to tell the precinct computer to call the central computer with results. According the technicians, "You have to program the phone number into the card, the card accesses the modem and the card tells it to dial into the central computer. To close the election you slide the 'ender-card' - like a special ballot - which has certain codes on it and tells it to lock up the election."

GES isn't the only manufacturer of these internal modems. Dr. O'Halloran further investigated a Florida based company, Optech, and found the following on it's web site: "Modem communications and results transfer capability from the precinct with the OPTECH III-P Eagle and regional accumulation with the Smart Pack Receiving System." This alarmed O'Halloran because "the presence of an internal (hidden) modem which could allow outside access to the computer without anyone's knowledge." At that point, Dr. O'Halloran contacted Ronnie Dugger, author of a highly acclaimed November 1997 article in New Yorker about computerized election fraud. For those who are interested, you can read one of Dugger's articles here; another detailed article on vote rigging via these insidious machines is here. "

Just wondering.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:07 PM

Nothin Personal PuPs!!

Just a requirement of mine!! Must increase the heart rate in order to Drive them Dem's into cardiac arrest!

IT'S MY MASTER PLAN!!!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:08 PM

THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE for McCain-Palin.

Don't buy a pig in a poke.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:10 PM

Goodbody

What happen to your GoodBuddy Doc.?

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:16 PM

It's ok Silent. Working on making my skin a bit thicker these days. Still in progress mind you. )

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:18 PM

Silent Bob,

Good one's. I don't take offense to any of them, I just enjoy a funny now and then.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:18 PM

hmmm, seems an awful lot of unearned credit is being given to the "shadowy, controlling groups that run Cape". They may still think of a MoDem as a 'blue' party person from the Show-Me state. :-)~

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:20 PM

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion said: "McCain 47%, Obama 45%. You must own the information that you post, otherwise you appear ignorant."

Exactly. And you should know that polls have margins of error. You should also know that one poll doesn't mean much, and that Obama and McCain are technically tied in the combined poll results. If you don't know these things, you risk appearing ignorant.

BABE said: "Some folks would consider your post to be one of bashing and name calling (...) right-wing religious nuts."

Sorry, Babe, I didn't mean to bash anyone here. I just couldn't find better words to describe those who think their view of the world is the right one and everyone else is wrong, therefore they must make everyone else "see the light". For example, it is widely accepted in the scientific community that dinosaurs lived from around 230 million years ago to around 65 million years ago, and I think it is really stupid when some right-wing religious pinhead tries to change the science books just because the facts do not match literally what's written in the book of Genesis.

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion said: "So the Library of Congress is erroneously reporting it's own information. Are you really that dense? Or are you just clinging to your crumbling ideology? Either way, it's sad."

No, the Library of Congress lists factual information, but people like you can spin these facts endlessly.

For the record, you asked "I just want to know what he's done for his constituants (sic)" and the first link I sent you has the answer to that question. If you skipped it, here it is again:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007...

To dumb it down a little for you, since you seem to have trouble making sense of data, that's 823 bills in the Illinois senate alone (his constituents, right?). Now go ahead and spin this too (I know you are very capable, give it a try).

-- Posted by unilib on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:24 PM

Difference Between Republicans and Democrats

A Republican and a Democrat were walking down the street when they came to a homeless person. The Republican gave the homeless person his business card and told him to come to his business for a job. He then took twenty dollars out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person.

The Democrat was very impressed, and when they came to another homeless person, he decided to help. He walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. He then reached into the Republicans pocket and gave the homeless person fifty dollars.

Now you understand the difference between Republicans and Democrats

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:28 PM

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion said: "I provided the story from Gallup, and they would disagree with your assertion regardless of the margin of error."

Post after post, I get a feeling that you *really* don't know what you're talking about. Here, let me try to help you:

How to read poll results - If two candidates are within the margin of error, is it possible to say one candidate is leading the race?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/2...

Not exactly.

Let's say we do a poll in which Candidate A would win 56 percent of the vote if the election were held today.

If the sampling error were plus-or-minus three percentage points, it means there is some chance that Candidate A's support could be as high as 59 percent (56 plus 3) if we had asked all 200 million adult Americans. There is also some chance that the candidate's support could be as low as 53 percent (56 minus 3).

Go ahead, spin this too...

-- Posted by unilib on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:45 PM

unilib

"Sorry, Babe, I didn't mean to bash anyone here. I just couldn't find better words to describe those who think their view of the world is the right one and everyone else is wrong, therefore they must make everyone else "see the light".

If I believe in my own truths, principles and convictions then, yes, I am right and you are wrong. I don't understand why liberals cannot understand why trying to 'enlighten' steadfast conservatives to be a hopeless effort on their part.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:47 PM

Just,

Seems the shift is because of Palin not because of anything to do with McCain. Good or bad(depending on one's opinion), it does show that he couldn't have done it otherwise.

Back to work for me. Thank you for the info on the EC.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:49 PM

Pups

We haven't had the debates yet. Obama is lost without his monitors and Biden puts his foot in his mouth daily. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 8:59 PM

Unilib

With all respect.

While I understand the assertion that thinking science is wrong is “really stupid” I think a more holistic approach offers a better view. It was only a couple of hundred years ago science proved that bleeding an ill person let the disease out. Not a few hundred years before that science held fast in the “fact” that the earth was flat. We just found out about the presence of bacteria in the last century and a half. What are we going to find out in another five hundred years? What are we looking at now that is so off base to not be believed? How many more asbestos or thalidomide “breakthroughs” are going to be revealed? When somebody holds fast to scripture they are exercising faith. Others choose to exercise faith in modern science. You yourself sitting wherever you are cannot prove or disprove the presence or absence of dinosaurs or the age of our planet. You believe today’s science (you have faith in them) She and many others have faith in scripture.

I am not attempting to preach or call you names. The media loves to paint people as crazy that believe the scriptures as a literal interpretation of fact. I would submit that the first guy that spoke out against the established science on almost any point is considered crazy. I will listen to others points of argument and I have been moved on various issues over the years. At the end of the day I will openly admit that I am not the smartest guy on this forum or even in the room I’m sitting in. I also believe that there was a guy a lot smarter than me or you and these scriptures are the users manual left for me to follow. It isn’t stupid. In my humble opinion.

-- Posted by Donnie on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 9:04 PM

Babe,

If her debating skills are anything like her ONE interview, I'm guessing come Jan. you will be saying President Obama and VP Biden. giggle

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 9:13 PM

Donnie,

I look at it this way. The Bible says God created all creation in 6 days and rested on the 7th. Can anyone say what a 'day' is to God? I will find out when my time comes, but no promises that I'll come back and let anyone know the answer. LOL

Glad you and the family are doing well.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 9:21 PM

McCain's camp said today that Palin will not participate in the "troopergate" investigation. I thought they were all about being transparent, open and not playing all these games in the shadows. What happened?

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 9:23 PM

Oh Crap, I used a word I swore I never would. You're a very bad influence Babe. LOL Have a great night.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 9:23 PM

Pups

Sarah Palin did just fine in her interviews. Mr Gibson (see how smart and coy I am) didn't realize there is NO Bush doctrine and made a fool of himself. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 9:26 PM

Just,

Ok, I don't think most Conservative Republicans would agree with the 'pink fairies wearing tutus' thing. LOL

Babe,

It isn't interviews it was one interview. And being that you didn't sing it's praise all day Friday guessing you didn't think it was a "home run" either.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 9:37 PM

I vote to make it a legally incumbent upon Palin to be deposed by the investigators.

"Taint"? There tain't nothing tainted atall about the investigation.

The McCain-Palin team are very pro-big oil. Don't believe that she "fought" big oil. McCain's economic guru is former Republican Senator, Phil Gramm. Gramm is the Republican who got Repbulicans to pass the ENRON LOOPHOLE through the Republican controlled Congress in 2000.

Because of Republican Gramm, McCain's economic advisor, and his ENRON LOOPHOLE, the fat cat Republicans on Wall Street, and their friends in big oil, can no go to foreign stock and commodity markets and go fast and loose in bidding up the price of oil, artifically.

It is the fat cat Republcians and their oil and Wall street friends who have jacked up the price of oil, artificially, without valid reasons, to prices that have harmed our economy and the wallets most American workers. Never before in America's history, have we allowed the Republicans to rape us so forcefully, and cause us great harm as individuals and a nation.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 9:42 PM

Definately time to get back to work. Everyone have a great night.

Just,

Thanks for the talk.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 9:45 PM

Pups, Pink Fairies.

Sorry to disagree. I would proffer that there are far more "pink fairy" Republicans than you could possibly imagine. The main thing wrong with them, is that they are still Republicans.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 9:52 PM

PALIN VIDEO for PALIN supporters.

I have crossed the line. I have been a little too harsh in my comments about Governor Sarah Palin.

To make amends, I offer this YouTube video. Governor Palin supporters will truly be pleased with it's accurate, unbiased, truthful portrayal of the great Governor of Alaska.

I am sorry for my past transgressions.

RG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efACWYRNR...

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:01 PM

She also has no legal obligation to speak to the investogator at this point."

Never said she had a legal obligation, just wondered what happened to being transparent and open? Palin said she'd cooperate with the investigation...was that a lie? You know...like supporting the "bridge to nowhere" before she said, "thanks, but no thanks". You remember the big flip"-flop after it became a national, political issue.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:01 PM

McCain goofed up and said the ecconomy was strong - he said that today!!!! Does he even know what happened on Wall Street today? He then tried to pay it off, by invoking the American worker. He tried to blame Obama. The man is losing it.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:12 PM

Babe you know it, Pups knows it and I know it. Palin blew that interview - big time. And Pups was correct, you were markedly quiet following its showing. Can you say "moose in headlights"? Charlie this, Charlie that, Charlie blink. And she'd never blink - how may times did she say that? Couldn't come up with an answer to the Israel question. But you can see Russia from Alaska, an island in Alaska. And that makes her ready to deal with Putin...in what way? giggle

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:24 PM

In addition to her current requests, state budget documents show Alaska requested 52 earmarks worth $256 million for 2008.

McCain was asked about nearly $200 million in congressional pet projects Palin requested for 2009 for her state, despite her boasts that she opposes such projects and his claim that she didn’t ask for any

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:35 PM

So it was a lie.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:37 PM

So it was a lie.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:37 PM

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion

When someone makes a boast about being open and transparent, don't fault us for expecting (demanding) it. She's an experienced leader (right) and should know better.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:40 PM

Why are you changing the subject? That doesn't really work with me.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:44 PM

Not alleged earmarks - she admitted it during the interview. Did she lie again? Which time?

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:46 PM

Not to worry, "Just."

I met one of your voters today. She is not of he elite, she is working class, but she will vote Republican this November.

The Democrat party is not "marginalized" in any way. They are on track to take more seats in the US Senate, and in the US House. In fact, if Joe Allen can raise the money that he needs for media buys, then, I think that this pro-2nd Amendment, pro-life Democrat could defeat that carpetbagging, Joann Gladney in this district. Joann Gladney, you ask? Why that was the very young woman that Bill Emerson dumped his hospital ridden wife for back many years ago. You know her as Joann Emerson, but that is not her real name. Her real name is Joann Gladney, because she is now married to a St. Louis attorney with deep pockets. Funny that Joann wants to still go by the name of Emerson, instead of her real name, Gladney. What gives, Ron?

Getting back to the point. You Republicans win, because you always, like clockwork, every two years bring up the issue of abortion. Now, Aborition is the law of the land, and if it is such a big issue with these evangelicals, why haven't they becomed peeved that every two years they go out and vote for Republicans, but the Republicans, even though they held congress since 1996, and the Pesidency since 2000, the Republicans never gave these evangelicals what they wanted, an end to abortion.

Well, I will tell you why. The Republicans count the evangelicals as fools. They have fooled them so many times, I wonder if they really are fools. Vote Republican, yet they never get what they want from the Republicans, because the Repbulicans keep the issue of abortion out there to rally the evangelicals every two years to vote for Republicans even though the republicans have scrued them.

These evangelicals are fanitical about abortion. They don't think, they don't look at the situation, for if they did, they would say, "Hey, we are getting scrued."

So, if Democrats don't win in this area, it isn't because of me, it is because voters in southeast Missouri are gulibile and easily fooled by the forked tongued Republicans.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:51 PM

Pups

Sarah Palin has had THREE interviews with Mr Gibson.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:56 PM

CAPE GIRARDEAU CITY COUNCIL RECALL PROCESS?

Recalling the City Council and the Mayor is an interesting thought to comtemplate.

Does anyone have any information on whether recalling the Mayor and members of the Cape Girardeau City Council is an option under our form of government?

What would the process entail?

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:57 PM

I'm sorry, did I miss where Obama or Biden said they didn't request any earmarks? I heard that from Sarah...that's her claim. Reform...being a mavarick, not taking earmarks. If we want to build a bridge, we'll pay for ourselves. Sure, after it became a national politial issue.

You know, I liked Mccain until he sold his soul to the devil during the last election. Now it just seems he'll do/say ANYTHING to get elected. Can't trust a man like that. He is just not the same man - the maverick anymore.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 11:01 PM

Catch you another time. Out for the night.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 11:08 PM

Babe,

My understanding is that it was one interview broken into three segments. Not three seperate interviews. But I will check it out tomorrow and appologize if wrong.

Out again for the night.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 11:08 PM

What would the process entail?

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, 9:57 pm CDT

First you would have to get rid of Swingle and Jones, Then start a petition and acquire a large number of signatures requesting a special election! The Mayor would of course be allowed to keep his name on the ballot and at that point the whole Blue Haired martini club along with the rest of the corrupt good ole boy's gang would reelect Jumpin Jay and the Gang because that's the way they programmed us!!

Did I win a PRIZE??

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 11:08 PM

Nope, just not going to be distracted...I'm seen that tactic before. Out.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 11:11 PM

Just Me and anyone out there

I am still waiting for an answer to Just Me's question about B Hussain's Congressional ballot addition, but I have a request myself. I am waiting on a Dem to say that the world is NOT that bad of a place. I am waiting for someone to say that "You know, our troops overseas aren't all that bad of guys. And they are doing a bangup job." I'm really waiting for those who can pass a PT Test to tell me that we aren't doing a good job. And the American soldier is a Nazi. Which I have been called, but not without reprecussions. I am still waiting, here in downtown Chicago-next to the Loop, for someone to say that my future leader B Hussian will look out for my fellow bothers and sisters in arms. Because anything else is just empty suit speach.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 11:30 PM

Hey everyone,

McCain really is a smart guy after all. He realized that Republicans are actually dumb enough to gobble up and love this joke of a VP pick. Sad... Very Sad... He is playing his own **** party... sneaky... manipulative.... JUST THE MAN WE NEED AS PRESIDENT...... not.... chuckle chuckle

Obama/Biden 08

-- Posted by soccerguy010 on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 11:37 PM

The President is running down the street one day, and he sees a little girl who is giving away puppies that her dog just had.

He goes up to the girl and says, "Little girl, I think that it's wonderful that you're doing such a good thing."

The little girl says, "Thank you, Mr. Clinton. Would you like a puppy? They're Democrats."

Bill declines and jogs onward. The next day Billy jogs past the same girl and decides to talk to her again. "You know what, little girl? I think I'll take one of those puppies after all, seeing as how they're Democrats."

The girl says, "I'm sorry Mr. Clinton, but they're not Democrats any more. They're Republican now."

Bill says, "They are? How do you know? As a matter of fact, how did you know that they were Democrats at first to begin with?"

She says, "Well, just after they were born they were Democrats, but now their eyes are open."

Good Night Folks!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 11:45 PM

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion, you are one tireless confused person. You have asked many questions, and you have been given the answers, but somehow you're still not satisfied. I think you will never be satisfied, so stop asking. Go to Google and get the answers that please you, whatever they are.

Just to change things a little here, why don't you discuss the wonderful things your candidate did in the past 527 years at the Senate? What about that immigration law that he was for it before being against it? What about his flip-flops on Social Security privatization, Defense spending, the Estate tax, and even his opposition to Hurricane Katrina investigations? Or even Roe vs Wade, that he used to support back in 1999 when he was McCain "the maverick"? Or maybe you wanna talk about his 2002 interview where he called Jerry Falwell an "agent of intolerance"--that was way before he hired the same Mr. Falwell as a debate coach. What about his recent fondness for torture, after spending much of his life being against it? Ah, he was a supporter of ethanol before he became against it.

Maverick and independent he isn't. The laundry list is looooong, and there's more to come in the form of Palin's self-destruction when she finally agrees to be interviewed without a script.

I know it's just you and your opinion, but maybe you can show us all the light and tell us there isn't anything wrong with McCain's constantly flip flopping on issues that matter.

PS: fajar154, the world is not a bad place. It just could be a lot better, and Obama will start fixing it soon. lol.

-- Posted by unilib on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 12:10 AM

"Almost cowardly of you to wait until I sign off to make a retort."

Sorry, I didn't have your schedule with me. But don't worry, posting the last message doesn't mean winning an argument.

I'm looking forward to reading your lengthy and confused defense of the "honorable" John McCain, the maverick flip-flopper who ranked in the bottom 0.003% of his class and is a great supporter of Bush's failed policies. I'm sure each of the examples I mentioned has a perfectly reasonable explanation, and you will gracefully enlighten us all about the man who chose the ultra-right-wing Palin for VP.

Obama 2008.

-- Posted by unilib on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 12:47 AM

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion,

LOL. You found your call. Go write jingles for that honorable flip-flopper of yours and you'll become richer than he is. But to make the GOP masses really happy you'll need to sprinkle some more lies, false attacks and a reference or two about infanticide in your lyrics. I don't think the McCain campaign takes anything less than that to the air.

-- Posted by unilib on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 1:02 AM

Since you're at FACTCHECK.ORG, why don't you read the truth about your honorable man? How about these honorable lies from http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/...

We checked the accuracy of McCain’s speech accepting the Republican nomination and noted the following:

McCain claimed that Obama’s health care plan would "force small businesses to cut jobs" and would put "a bureaucrat ... between you and your doctor." In fact, the plan exempts small businesses, and those who have insurance now could keep the coverage they have.

McCain attacked Obama for voting for "corporate welfare" for oil companies. In fact, the bill Obama voted for raised taxes on oil companies by $300 million over 11 years while providing $5.8 billion in subsidies for renewable energy, energy efficiency and alternative fuels.

McCain said oil imports send "$700 billion a year to countries that don't like us very much." But the U.S. is on track to import a total of only $536 billion worth of oil at current prices, and close to a third of that comes from Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom.

He promised to increase use of "wind, tide [and] solar" energy, though his actual energy plan contains no new money for renewable energy. He has said elsewhere that renewable sources won’t produce as much as people think.

He called for "reducing government spending and getting rid of failed programs," but as in the past failed to cite a single program that he would eliminate or reduce.

He said Obama would "close" markets to trade. In fact, Obama, though he once said he wanted to "renegotiate" the North American Free Trade Agreement, now says he simply wants to try to strengthen environmental and labor provisions in it.

Very, very honorable... lol.

-- Posted by unilib on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 1:10 AM

From MY stump

Have you ever been in a situation where your life has been in question? Have you ever been somewhere you KNEW that you shouldn't be but the guy next to you is still heading forward? Have you been in a place where, your heart stops beating because it knows there are those who can hear the beating heart? Have you ever stopped to ask those who have served(who don't seek public praise) "Was it worth it?"

Have you? Have you really?

Stop blogging.

Start asking if we did a good job across the pond? Start asking if the surge was a good idea?

Start asking if there were/are/was/is WMDs in Iraq?

Just do something besides being the Armchair Generals YOU strive to be.

There are 100 guys who just got back. Listen to them. They are in Farmington, waiting for your questions. But I lnow you won't EVER ask those whom have served. YOU NEVER WILL!

You would rather hide behind this keyboard and do your worst because it makes you feel RIGHT in your own mind.

Sucks, doesn't it? Finally seeing yourself in the true light.

Don't care for a rebute. Just wish you could have been there during at least ONE tour in which are ALL proud of.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 1:13 AM

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion

Good song! Easy on Me'Lange though. She means well. the others have drank a bucket full of retard to lighten the day.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 1:19 AM

fajar154

I have talked to soldiers and they want to come home. Their families want them to come home. They are doing their jobs and doing it very well, but don't believe we should be there...not in Iraq. I'm proud of them and know that they are doing all they can and serve at great risk, but I want them to come home too. I want them taken care of when they return as well.

We spend 2 billion dollars a WEEK in Iraq and that would go a long way in taking care of our vets. BTW we only spend 1/2 million in Afghanistan where the "evil" man resides.

Did you know we spend about 2 billion a YEAR on cancer research.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 8:18 AM


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