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Speak Out 9/6/08

Saturday, September 6, 2008

Bond not enough

I THINK it's just awful that somebody can try and kill their ex-wife and all they're on is a $10,000 bond. They'll probably get a slap on the hand and nothing will happen to them. That's going to give all these crazy ex-husbands out there ideas.

Obama out of touch

I have a news flash for Barack Obama. John McCain's not the one out of touch with the middle-class working people. It's Barack Obama. I used to be a Democrat or an independent, and I'm looking at the whole situation saying Obama's out of touch with the working-class people. It's not McCain.

God and America

I WANT to comment about the Republican convention. I notice they keep singing "God Bless America." This has got to rub salt in the wounds of the Democrats. I mean, remember what Obama's preacher said, "God d--- America." What a difference it is to hear people praise God and ask God to bless America.

Obama's family

I WOULD like to hear Obama, something about his family. All I have ever heard is he was raised by his mother and grandma. I wondered if he has any brothers or sisters or whatever happened to his father? Why doesn't he ever mention his family?

Letters from home

I LIVE out in the country with my elderly husband and there aren't any relatives or friends close by. When Sam Blackwell writes his column, I feel like he's writing a letter to me, and I really enjoy it. Sam, I just wanted to let you know. When I moved to Missouri I didn't know about ticks, chiggers and so on. It took me a long time to take a walk in the woods. Your letters are so wonderful. Please keep them coming.

Qualified and articulate

AFTER WATCHING Sarah Palin speak at the convention last night, not only is she qualified, she's articulate, she's funny and she's nice. Wow. I've never seen a lady politician who was nice. This lady ought to be at the top of the ticket. She ought to be running for president. She's wonderful. Hey, I'm all for Palin.

Disband advisory board

I READ in the paper about the county road and bridge advisory board all the time, and you hear about the residents who have paid the county to have their roads paved, have got easements done, then they're all lost, the roads weren't followed through. It seems to me like they need to sue the county and at the same time, they should disband the road and bridge advisory committee. This advisement is not much. They want to do a bunch of roads, but they don't get any of them signed up to be done.

If the tables were turned

CAN YOU imagine what the right-wing media would be saying about Barack Obama if he had selected someone as his running mate as ill-qualified to be president as Sarah Palin? In fact, I'm willing to bet that most Democrats are a lot happier with their candidate's judgment than most Republicans are with their candidate's judgment.

Pro-life, pro-war

I AM confused by the Republicans. Why do they consider it killing to remove a fertilized egg from a woman's body but not killing to send thousands of young men and women to die in a trumped-up war in Iraq?

Palin was great

AFTER LISTENING to Mrs. Palin, she is great. I, too, had problems about her until I heard her for the second time. Things she did as governor for Alaska, saving lots of money for the state, plus several things that Obama never talks about. She helped with the oil situation.

Economy not that bad

I read Speak Out comments about the so-called bad economy, and then as I travel around Cape or Jackson I see every expensive restaurant full of customers. I think to myself, I feel sorry for these people eating out all the time, they can't afford to cook and eat a meal at home. The main problem I see is that people are now spoiled and can't live without cell phones, computers, Internet, new cars, etc. If this was truly a bad economy, there would be more penny-pinching than there is.

Congress controls economy

I have lived through many presidents and have rarely seen one make a difference to my standard of living. The best years I have had financially were the Reagan years and the worst were the Carter years, but I don't give them either credit or blame. It is always Congress that controls the economy.

Fun in downtown Cape

Some people may find this hard to believe, but my wife and I spent a whole day without going into Wal-Mart. We went to downtown Cape Girardeau and spent some time in the antique shops, ate at Pagliai's Pizza, spent time in Broadway Books and Roasting coffee shop, bought some shoes at Bob's Shoe Service and walked in the park. There is a lot to do in downtown Cape Girardeau. Try it out.

Thanks to life saver

I would like to personally thank the wonderful lady that saved my life. On Aug. 20, I passed out in the Cape Girardeau Wal-Mart. There was this woman who helped me, and little did I know she really saved my life. I have high blood pressure, and it was really high that day shopping in Wal-Mart. Her quick thinking saved my life. I spoke to the Wal-Mart staff hoping to get her name, but no luck. This woman handled my purse and stayed with me until help arrived. She talked to me praying to keep me calm. I would like to personally thank her.


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Gcod and America

It is uplifting to see people praising the USA instead of finding fault.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 5:48 AM

if the tables were turned

Ante up. Republicans love the choice of VP, Sarah Palin.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 5:54 AM

economy not that bad

Bingo! Folks, we have a winner here.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 5:59 AM

good morning everyone

If the tables were turned : yeah , if they were

turned , we'd have Hilary running for VP instead

Sarah ....i believe i'll take my chances with

Sarah Palin

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 6:19 AM

Me'Lange

hasn't Mrs.Obama made speeches , would she be

considered as being flaunted for the media ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 6:37 AM

...sorry Me'Lange , i'm in the stoopid mode this morning .

the last time i went to that fair , a horse bit

me in the ***...i don't go no more..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 6:52 AM

re: Pro-life, pro-war

Abortion is the slaughter of an unborn innocent child who had no choice in the matter. In war young men volunteer to risk their lives to die. If you can't tell the difference between the two then you must be a brainwashed liberal. As for "trumped-up war", where the hell were you when WE were attacked.

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his own life for his friends.

- John 15:13

-- Posted by hotshot202 on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 7:46 AM

Good Morning My Cyber friends!!

It looks to me like the doom and gloomers are up and at it early today!!

MeLange you said:

Economy not that bad,

Eh...perhaps some are NOT truly paying attention to what is going on around them???

That may be you, Fact it takes six months of economic downturn to happen BEFORE a recession would be declared by the Fed. I'm fairly confident that we have had our ups and downs but not yet hit that mark!

AND after all this is an election year and corporations are preparing for the worst(Obama winning) and the Market will reflect that as well as the daily news. You speak the truth about the cost of domestic goods raising but that again is all due to the cost of fuel which is rising because of the speculators, who are putting America's retirement plans into petroleum futures!! The dust will settle after the election and we will prepare for the next four years. It will either be high taxes and a slow economy (Obama) or lower taxes and an economic upturn with McCain.

Please refer to the post I left for Nickey last night there is a lot of data there that will be of interest to you(maybe)!!

This of course is just my opinion!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 8:09 AM

For our friends that teach:

Have a great day folks I have 4 miles to do so see ya later!!

What The Teacher Says and What He or She Really Means

Your son has a remarkable ability in gathering needed information from his classmates.

(He was caught cheating on a test).

Karen is an endless fund of energy and viability.

(The hyperactive monster can't stay seated for five minutes).

Fantastic imagination! Unmatched in his capacity for blending fact with fiction.

(He's definitely one of the biggest liars I have ever met).

Margie exhibits a casual, relaxed attitude to school,indicating that high expectations don't intimidate her.

(The lazy thing hasn't done one assignment all term).

Her athletic ability is marvelous. Superior hand-eye coordination.

(The little creep stung me with a rubber band from 15 feet away).

Nick thrives on interaction with his peers.

(Your son needs to stop socializing and start working).

Your daughter's greatest asset is her demonstrative public discussions.

(Classroom lawyer! Why is it that every time I explain an assignment she creates a class argument).

John enjoys the thrill of engaging challenges with his peers.

(He's a bully).

An adventurous nature lover who rarely misses opportunities to explore new territory.

(Your daughter was caught skipping school at the fishing pond).

I am amazed at her tenacity in retaining her youthful personality.

(She's so immature that we've run out of diapers).

Unlike some students who hide their emotion, Charles is very expressive and open.

(He must have written the Whiner's Guide).

I firmly believe that her intellectual and emotional progress would be enhanced through a year's repetition of her learning environment.

(Regretfully, we believe that she is not ready for high school and must repeat the 8th grade).

Her exuberant verbosity is awesome!

(A mouth that never stops yacking).

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 8:16 AM

hotshot:

You said it Brother! AMEN

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 8:19 AM

I believe both parties have two good tickets for President. No matter who wins this election we all will be much better off then what we have been the past eight years. McCain and Obama two good men with great leadership talent now we must choose which one of these men we want to lead us. I wish we wouild take this conservative and liberal stuff and lay it aside along with the blue state and red state rehoric and unite as one nation and choose the best of the two for our next president. UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 8:25 AM

Obama out of touch:

You hit the nail on the head. Obama is more familiar with the businessmen who are able to fund his laughable campaign. McCain was very close to calling it quits but then his supporters to bonded together keep him there. These are the real people that you and I are around everyday.

God and America

Overall, you will find that Democrats have a sour taste for religion. Their beliefs don't run their politics, their politics run their beliefs. And for a party that doesn't value life, it is completely understandable that religion is kept out of their campaigns.

Obama's Family

Maybe he doesn't mention his family because there is nothing to brag about.

Qualified and articulate

She is just as qualified for the job as Obama. She is also easier to listen to than both McCain and Obama. She is definitely a rising star. It is too bad that people are dragging her family through the mud. I hope it makes them better.

If the tables are turned

First, Palin is not ill-experieced. Second, Obama would never ask someone who is better equipped for the job than he is. Finally, the tables are turned, because Biden is not much better than who he could have asked.

Pro-life, pro-war

I am confused by the Democrats. They value human life so much that they are willing to pull our soldiers out of Iraq but then they believe that a woman can trash her child.

Palin was great

People don't understand this because they don't want to but Palin has more experience in correcting the energy crisis than both of the Democratic candidates combined. McCain and Palin have a plan for alternative energy sources. I can't wait to hear from them.

Fun in downtown Cape

Some people may find this hard to believe, but my family and I had a great time in Sam's club and Walmart last weekend. We were able to talk to the many friendly employees, sample some great food, and save a bunch of money on our groceries. We didn't even have to go to the small shops that overprice their items. There is a lot to do at these stores. Try it.

-- Posted by gehagge1 on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 9:12 AM

How much many did you pay tp hear that from the Happy Preacher?

What happens when you are not blessed? Are you not a child of the Most High God?

-- Posted by gehagge1 on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 9:42 AM

We are always a child of the Most High God. We are always blessed. Sometimes we don't recognize the blessings we have. Many times we see the bad things that happen to people but we deem them "bad things" because we are relying on our own judgment. No matter how bad your despair is, each one of us is loved by God. God Bless.

-- Posted by WhoKnew1 on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 10:31 AM

Fun in downtown Cape

Wonder which business owner called this fluff piece in? They must be talking about the downtown during the day and not at night when all the bars are open and the drunk's stager down the sidewalk tearing out little daises in flower pots.

-- Posted by gman on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 10:57 AM

Re: Economy not that bad

First, suggest it's a matter of perspective, and then suggest there's a difference between 'bad' and 'not as good as it was'.

Recall some recent concerns on the part of city leaders about sales tax revenues not achieving their targets - which would suggest some curtailing on spending - perhaps on the luxury items, perhaps opting for the bargain-brands as opposed to the name-brands. It takes only a few percentage points of decrease to be noticeable to store owners and the taxing agencies.

Another indicator watched is the classifieds - the free weekly 'Dollar Stretcher', 'Wooden Nickel', etc. seem to have gotten larger - suggesting that more are in the 'sell their stuff' mode, and that the full color spreads in the real estate section of the Missourian seem to have decreased - suggesting that market is not as robust as a few years ago.

Then, there's the article in today's paper about another plant closure over in W.KY. Don't have the exact numbers, but suggest that there have been close to 3,000 manufacturing jobs lost within a 75-mile radius of Cape in the past 3-4 years. Don't have any idea about any gains.

So, is the economy in the downswing of an acceptable cycle, and just correcting for excesses of recent years where so many sprung for new cars, toys, and houses ('not as good as it was') - or is the economy in the midst of a 'swirl around the toilet bowl' headed towards that flush (out-n-out bad)?

For some, the signs are obvious, as well as 'up-close and personal'. For me - just trucking right along, but keeping the 'rainy day' fund stocked up as always.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 11:02 AM

There is ALWAYS an economic downturn during the election year. Threats of job loss, etc. Thorngate's corporate office is in Chicago. Does that give you any clues as to WHY they were chosen to host Obama or why this might be happening? I am very suspicious of any action taken this close to an important election.

I have a child that was out of work for a couple of years. A job opportunity availed itself, so we are no longer supporting that family. Did that stand out that WE as a family were supporting our own during that time?

I'd like to thank Oprah. I think she is showing her true self during this escapade where she can excuse herself however valid some are willing to accept. BUT when a female is able to achieve something and another female ignores her achievements, I believe the cat claws have come out. I'm seeing those green eyes and cat claws all over the Democratic Party as well as others. I believe this is high school antics and not becoming of real women that desire to see others succeed. It seems to me, that only the Democtrat women are allowed to rise in power and the Repbulican women are suppose to stay home and raise their family.

That "fertilized-egg" is the beginning of a baby. In fact, each one of you that support abortion should see and be thankful that your mother chose life for you. Another thing is why Planned Parenthood was formed. Talk about racism and hatred. Check out what the founder was known to have said. And has their mission really changed?

http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

Disclaimer:

This is my HUMBLE OPINION, and it doesn't matter to me if you agree or not.

-- Posted by KingsKid on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 11:13 AM

Received this in an e-mail - would like to share it.

If the credited author did indeed say these things, it would seem that someone well-respected and highly thought of as very wise had things figured out a long time ago.

"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.

You cannot build character and courage by taking away men's initiative and independence.

You cannot help men permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves."

--Abraham Lincoln

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 12:05 PM

hotshots comment earlier was wrong. He said:

"As for "trumped-up war", where the hell were you when WE were attacked."

We weren't attacked by Iraq and by now, if we're paying attention, we all know this. It gets old having to respond to this repeated and perhaps intended lie. Now, I'm sure the next response will be to say we needed to take care of a dictator who was killing his own people. That he was a very bad man...evil. If that's what we were doing...if that is what we intended all along...I haven't heard it from the top. And if that is what we are about, then when are we going to SAVE the people of N Korea, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Nepal, China, Eritrea, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Myanmar?

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 12:37 PM

Me'Lange, I don't know if you have seen this letter or not. I would have emailed it directly to you but didn't have your email address.

This is a little long but very interesting and informative. It come in my daily "Snopes" news letter.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/k...

I hardly ever post any thing but read about all the post that come on before 12:00 noon.

Have a Good Day

-- Posted by Retired93 on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 12:46 PM

Was not a supporter of the Iraq war, but there were legitimate reasons considered by all and voted on. Only history will tell if it was a wise course of action or not. You can find all sorts of site for and against, this is just one. It really matters little as we are there now.

http://www.reasons-for-war-with-iraq.inf...

-- Posted by D'oh on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 12:48 PM

Re: Snopes

The writer admits Palin is very popular in Wasilla and in Alaska and this person doesn't get along with her, so we should pay attention to this one person and ignore all of the others, is that it? Thought we might go a day without Palin bashing, how foolish.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 1:04 PM

Re: Snopes

A very intriguing letter, but unfortunately only one person's opinion with possibly biased accounts of Palin's past. While it does say she was popular, it also points out that many people are not fans of hers, but are afraid to speak up because of her influence and ruthlessness. I wish there were a way to prove/disprove some of the statements made, but that may not be possible.

Also, Lincoln didn't say those things:

http://www.larryelder.com/abraham.html

Please check sources on email forwards before sending them on. Most don't have any sources listed, but Google can work wonders - just search for the subject line or some key phrases. Currently some emails are going around that do have sources listed, but nobody seems to check those - the listed sources often disprove the statements made in the email. Just because sources are listed doesn't mean they were used.

And just for fun:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index....

-- Posted by yermej on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 1:23 PM

King Kid posted....

That "fertilized-egg" is the beginning of a baby. In fact, each one of you that support abortion should see and be thankful that your mother chose life for you.

Abortion is a moral issue, not political.

And it truly should matter if someone agrees with you or not, unless you are the "Almighty" himself. Let those who are without sin, cast the first stone, and so on. Check out yesterday evening's posts unless you are to close-minded and "holier than thou" to do so.

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 2:13 PM

Gman... the drunks have been staggering out of the bars on Main Street since I was a kid in the 40's and the Town Pump was in all it's glory. That's nothing new and it's certainly not limited to downtown Cape either.

Downtown Cape is full of things to do and see if you just take the time to do it. The antique shops are a real treat as are many of the other shops. Cape has a real history downtown...too bad so many of you only see the "darkside".

I'm not a business owner trying to sell you all a piece of "fluff"...just a former Cape resident who vacations in Cape once a year and enjoys the beauty of this historical river city.

-- Posted by Bickiestew on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 2:41 PM

KingsKid

Thanks for the reminder of Margaret Sanger and her eugenics.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 2:55 PM

"Economy not that bad"

"I read Speak Out comments about the so-called bad economy, and then as I travel around Cape or Jackson I see every expensive restaurant full of customers."

Typical college Republican propaganda. Look around, it may be that the full brunt of the economic collapse has not hit the Cape area, but some of the signs are already here.

Dollar General - Jackson Closed

Fred's Dollar store - Jackson Closed

Dollar Tree - Jackson Closed

Thrift stores are doing a brisk business. More varied clientle than in the past.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 2:59 PM

McCAIN CAMPAIGN ABOUT TO DROP BOMBSHELL!!!!

WILL SOON MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT AS TO BRISTOL PALIN'S RARE MEDICAL CONDITION.

This reporter has it on good authority, that the McCain campaign will soon make an unprecidented statement about their VP daughter's rare medical condition in an attempt to thawart further disscussion about Bristol Palin's unplanned pregnancy.

Bristol Palin, the pregnant, 17 year old daughter of Sarah Palin, Senator John McCain's choice as his VP, suffers from a very rare, but sometimes treatable medical condition.

If the Palin family agrees, Bristol Palin could try a radical surgery procedure to eliviate her condition.

In the past, the only known successful procedure for treating Bristol Palin's condition is surgery. There is no pharmacological treatment available at this time.

Those who have Palin's condition will eventually die, even if they have surgery. Levi Johnston, the father of the unwed Bristol Palin's soon to be born child could not be reached for comment.

It is not known when the McCain campaign will be releasing further information on Bristol Palin. Insiders tell me that her illness has been diagnoised as dollypartonitis.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 3:11 PM

"And it truly should matter if someone agrees with you or not, unless you are the "Almighty" himself. Let those who are without sin, cast the first stone, and so on. Check out yesterday evening's posts unless you are to close-minded and "holier than thou" to do so.

-- Posted by Theorist "

ARE YOU SERIOUS? I can't stop laughing at the thought that you have created with this. In the spirit of my native American blood, you speak with forked tongue!

-- Posted by KingsKid on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 3:15 PM

Me'Lange

How many times have you heard stores claim that..."We've Lost our Lease!" How does one lose their lease? Especially, in today's economy. Their landlord may have raised their rent, and they chose not to renew their lease, but I am unsure how one can lose their lease.

They took the inventory and some of the employees of the Jackson store to the Cape location. They didn't move the store to another location. Same with Fred's. Their lease came due, they weren't doing as well as they would have liked, so, they closed.

Yes, you are right, you would think that a store with items for a buck would be successful in our current economy. However, with the Wall Street fat cats gouging us with gas and energy pricing, off shoring our jobs, etc. it takes a lot of $1.00 items to pay the rent, utilities and employees. If people cut back even just a bit in thier buying, and your energy, insurance payments have jumped dramatically, then, even if the rent wasn't raised, you are in a tight bind as a business owner.

I would say that they closed due to increased energy prices, increased rent, associated business costs increases, and, due to the bush weakened dollar, increased costs for the crap that they bought from the Communist Chinese.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 3:21 PM

Mr Goodbody

Well, bless your heart. Did you make up dollypartonitis in your own lil ole mind?

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 3:36 PM

MeLange

You've been awfully peckish in your postings the last few weeks. It's so unlike you.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 3:48 PM

BABE

I do hope that you will join me in praying for Bristol Palin's complete recovery from dollypartonitis. I have seen women with this condition before, and it is just horrible beyond words.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 4:14 PM

In the clean up after the dem convention a vendor found 86 bags of small USA flags that the audience and delegates had waved. He found them in or around the garbage bins . He rescued them and gave them to McCain's campaign headquarters. Boy Scouts counted 12,000 and McCain gave some to the audience at his rally. The rest will be placed on veteran memorials or graves.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 5:26 PM

Fxwpt, Mr Goodbody, John Stuart Will and myself have received a reply from Ms Jernigan on her blog to answer our questions. Of course, the paper has removed the posts of the origional questions or comments.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 5:53 PM

so tell them what you want

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 6:17 PM

Babe -

The original post is still there - just had to scrounge around a bit for it:

http://www.semissourian.com/article/2008...

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 6:18 PM

Hey,you Democrats out there...the way Bill Clinton did while he was our president,you shouldn't be saying anything about Palin.She's a good,wholesome lady that will not be crawling around under any desks in the oval office.She puts Hilary to shame.Yay for Sarah Palin,our next first lady!!!

-- Posted by lindagayle on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 7:07 PM

BABE and the Untied Way

I just posted this story from CBS tonight over on Nancy's blog.

""Boy Scouts Vs. United Way In California

Charity Cuts Off Funding Because Scouts Bar Gays

(CBS) A Boy Scout is always supposed to be prepared, but the Ventura County, California, scouts were blindsided when, after 57 years, the local United Way stopped funding them, reports CBS News Correspondent Sandra Hughes.

"We were getting allocations from United Way of about $50,000 a year," said Dave Graska of the Ventura County Boy Scouts.

The United Way decision was made after the Boy Scouts of America announced it would exclude gays from the organization.

The charity then passed an inclusiveness policy stating it would only fund: "...agencies that provide services ... without discriminating on the basis of ... sexual orientation."

"The reality is there are a lot of people in Ventura county who happen to agree with our policy," said Dave M. Smith, president of the United Way of Ventura County.

Not major donors Denny and Allyson Weinberg, who gave $100,000 to the United Way last year.

"This was very confusing because this inclusiveness policy came out of nowhere," said Denny Weinberg. "It wasn't promoted, there was no press release, there was no letter to donors about this."

The Weinbergs were so upset they stopped giving to the United Way and launched their own fundraising effort called "Friends of Ventura County Scouts."

Their ads urge supporters to donate: "The Boy Scouts of America are making a positive difference in our community yet United Way of Ventura County is ending their support for the Scouts."

So far the group has raised almost $80,000, much more than the United Way ever planned to give.

"People love scouting, it's an American tradition, it's like baseball for heaven's sakes," said Allyson Weinberg.

After the June 2000 Supreme Court decision which affirmed the Boy Scouts' right to ban gays, about 50 local United Way chapters pulled their financial support - but that's only about five percent of chapters nationwide.

"We don't base our policy on what the United Way chapter in Lexington, Kentucky, or Fargo, North Dakota happens to think the policy should be," said Ventura County's David Smith.

But the United Way did try to compromise, offering $50,000 to an educational program affiliated with the scouts.

For now, the Ventura County scouts don't want the money.

"We respect the right of the United Way to establish its values, just as we have the right to establish ours," said scout leader Dave Graska.

A sentiment shared by many in a town now divided between two of its most cherished institutions. "

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 7:17 PM

lindagayle

There is no way that you have knowledge that Sarah Palin has never been under a desk, or, will not be under a desk, or, on top of a desk, for that matter, in the future.

Bill Clinton was no saint, but neither is Sarah Palin. You are just letting your evangelical side take control of your thinking and you have not looked at her very closely. That is your right to do so, but it does not give you pyschic ablity in determining Sarah Palin's character.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 7:20 PM

DEMOCRATS and the Flag.

I could find no credible news source that was reporting the supposed flag event in Denver, where the Democrats "threw" away US flags.

I did find a blog in Denver, and this was his latest update. Again, no credible news reporting, just this blog in Denver.

"UPDATE I: I just spoke with the person at Invesco who found the flags and he thinks both sides are exaggerating a bit. The person claims the majority of the bags with flags in them were near the trash, on a dock, and would have been thrown away. The person thinks it was probably an “oversight” by the Democrats rather than any nefarious plot against the flag. But the person doesn’t believe anyone was coming to get them: “The flags were there for a week and a day and no one came looking for them.”

One thing I know for certain: Barack Obama didn’t order anyone to throw out 12,000 American flags. "

The flags were "near" where the trash was stored. I, too, think it was just someone's miscue, that when you have a change and go from the Convention to the field like that, there is so much craziness, that it is likely that someone did ask another, "Hey, did you get ALL the flags back?" Why would anyone spend money for flags, knowing that there would be future rallies, etc, and then throw them away.

Flags cost money. It would be stupid for any campaign to waste money.

For God's sake people, think a bit. You all have been propagandized for so long that you don't even think for yourselves any longer.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 7:30 PM

Sunday Talk shows and their guests.

Meet the Press ------ NBC (in Cape, Jackson, and Poplar Bluff area channel (6) - 0800-0900am Sunday morning

Meet the Press ------ MSNBC (in Cape, Jackson area channel (55) - 0500-0600pm Sunday evening

Guest....Joe Biden

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"THIS WEEK" George Stephanopolis-ABC- (in Cape, Jackson, and Poplar Bluff area channel (3)-0800-0900am Sunday

GUEST....Senator Barack Obama

(to watch both Senator Obama and Biden, watch Senator Biden on Meet the Press Sunday evening from 5-6pm on MSNBC, and Senator Obama on This Week on ABC from 0800-0900am Sunday morning....)

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FACE THE NATION-----CBS---(in Cape, Jackson area channel (09 on Cable, 12 over the air antenna) 0930-1000am

Guest.....Senator John McCain

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60 Minutes

BOB WOODARD has written a new book on the bush regime. The US has been spying on their puppet government in Iraq, according to Woodard. The US has a secret method for targeting the resistance in Iraq and killing them.

SUNDAY from 0600-0700pm on CBS

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Other talk shows, FOX NEWS SUNDAY, and, LATE EDITION on CNN will have campaign staff and advisers for both McCain and Obama.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 7:32 PM

Democrats didn't throw out American Flags.

I have a photo of the flags that were gathered up from the Obama - Democrat rally in Denver.

There are bags of unfurled, rolled up, unused American flags. They were brought to the stadium in trash bags for transportation purporses. Afterwards, the trash bags, looked like trash bags, so they were taken to the trash area.

These were UNUSED flags. Someone didn't check with someone else to see if all the unused flags were secured for future use at Democrat functions. There were no bags of trash with flags in them, that some had thrown away, these were unused flags that didn't get to the proper place after the event, because they were in closed trash bags, and workers thought that they were trash.

****. This is such a piddly a*s little thing. What about the economy, these trade agreement, and the war against the Iraqi people. Seems like more important stuff to me, but, what the hell do I know, I'm just sane.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 7:39 PM

Lindagayle,

Yay for Sarah Palin,our next first lady!!!

-- Posted by lindagayle on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, 6:07 pm CDT

In order for this to happen, her snowmobile riding husband would have to be elected President. Yet another brilliantless statement from the far right....

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 8:06 PM

Are you sure those were flags from the Democratic Convention? I thought the Dems were so unpatriotic that they wouldn't have had flags. They spent money for 12,000 flags? Shocking!

Go First Lady Palin!!! She'll make a great First Lady...if McCain divorces again. She is younger than Cindy, isn't she?

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 8:17 PM

Mr Goodbody

You trust the dems with the economy, trade agreemnents and the war? Hell, they can't even keep track of 12,000 flags. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 8:18 PM

Thank goodness the Republicans were there to rescue those flags. I wish they were as concerned for our soldiers and vets.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 8:22 PM

BABE

...that's a good one!!

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 8:23 PM

BABE, has anyone ever told you, that you were brilliant...I didn't think so.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 8:29 PM

I'm shocked! The McBush, McCheney,and McCain regime is spying on their buds in Iraq? How can that be? Weren't we supposed to bring so called American democracy to Iraq? I didn't think we were supposed to spy on our good "friends."

Oh I forgot. McBush, McCheney, and McCain ARE practicing American "democracy" in Iraq. After all they gave themselves the power to spy on anyone they want to over here regardless of what our constitution says; so I guess in fact they are showing the fledging "democracy" in Iraq how the pros do it.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 8:50 PM

I meant fledgeling democracy.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 8:58 PM

MeLange:

Ouch! being called an idiot by a broom riding simple minded gimme what you got because I'm to lazy to earn it myself, And poor me I'm sick and you should pay for my medicine...gasping for air. Well it seems that little miss goody goody (recognize that phrase) has a temper after all!! And you just showed your true colors too.

Nobody likes a liar Melange remember you said that you 1) Didn't talk politics and 2) would not post to me. Your just another POS Liberal minded RETARD trying to hide behind a look I'm a nice person persona. LIAR,LIAR,LIAR. People like you make me laugh because you will always expose yourselves!!

I think I got all of the phrases that you dislike if I missed one let me know.

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 9:08 PM

John in Jackson,

I disagree with most of what you say, but this is so farcical....

he has nO credibility as a Christian

Who do you think you are to judge? I am sick of the hypocrisy among the right wing posters on here, and I find myself both embarrassed and ashamed of your unlearned (ignorant) bias.

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 9:29 PM

It would be negligent of our intelligence agencies to not observe the government of Iraq. Anybody with one bit of sense knows that.

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 9:31 PM

Really John...that's just not what I've been hearing, but you just go ahead and believe what you are fed.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 9:35 PM

John: don't forget its the dems that are trying to bring charges against GW. Another showing of wasteful spending.

Remember when the dems said if they win majority, look out for the changes in the first 60 days. HAHAHAHA

All I've seen is Pelosi modeling new wardrobe, Dingy Harry isn't sure what day it is and Cowardly Murtha calling our troops killers.

I wrote Murtha and asked when he recieved that yellow strip on his back. I might p.i.s.s. off my demo friends but as far as I'm concerned the whole dang party is cowards.

How dare you question a respectable fine Governor

and say she has no experience. Neither did Wee Willy then. It just shows how scared you are. You have no chance in h.e.l.l. in winning. Now I expect the dems to start bringing out terrible rumors and try to ruin her reputation.

The slogan for dems is Change Change Change, now it should be Cowards Cowards Cowards. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 9:37 PM

More for Little Miss Know it all Melange:

Mark J. Perry

Location: Flint, Michigan, United States

Dr. Mark J. Perry is a professor of economics and finance in the School of Management at the Flint campus of the University of Michigan. Perry holds two graduate degrees in economics (M.A. and Ph.D.) from George Mason University in Washington, D.C. In addition, he holds an MBA degree in finance from the Curtis L. Carlson School of Management at the University of Minnesota. Since 1997, Professor Perry has been a member of the Board of Scholars for the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, a nonpartisan research and public policy institute in Michigan.

Eventually, those forecasting recession are going to run out of time. The clock is already ticking and the economy remains resilient

Economist and commentator Ben Stein has some calming words of advice: By any serious definition, we're just not in a recession.

And we might not enter one, either, regardless of the stock market right now, Stein writes in his online column.

Investors should pretty much ignore all the media talk about bear markets and instead keep investing, particularly through index funds and depressed assets like real estate,

I can give you soooo much more but you already know that it's true.

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 9:39 PM

Silent-Bob...

Did you talk to your Uncle?

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 9:45 PM

John in Jackson,

George Obama had this to say about the Vanity Fair article you are referring to...

"I was brought up well. I live well even now," he said. "The magazines, they have exaggerated everything.

You once again have proven my point. You are merely trying to bring the Presidential candidate down in hopes that it will make your choice look better. How sad...

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 9:53 PM

Did I?

In a few weeks, I think you will have changed your tune, but to each his own....

Good Luck with your endeavor, you are going to need it.

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 10:04 PM

CNN news

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/22/b...

There is a lot more to this story than mentioned here, and it would benefit you to research it before trying to use it in the manner you chose.

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 10:07 PM

Aggie, You sound very bitter...are you a vet? I hope you aren't a supporter of GW, he's even lost the support of the Republicans. McCain can hardly bring himself to say the Bush name and I certainly understand that. It's just that for the last 4 years (actually 8) McCain has supported Bush, even after Bush played dirty with him during the last election. I can't stand a man that gets stabbed in the back and then turns around and kisses the stabber. Makes me sick.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 10:08 PM

Theorist: Honestly do you believe the relationship between the Obama brothers will be used taticly by the Repub's? How minute is this story, who cares?

I'm more worried about his brother Rev. Wrong. George Obama chose his lifestyle, it's not Hussein's fault. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 10:08 PM

Suelynn: I have voted for a Bush since the 80's either for President or Governor. You have the right to your opinions and vote for who you like, I vote mine.

You stated the GW lost support from the Repub's? Not all of them!!

So save you breathe, don't waste your time explaining why I should disapprove of my GW. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 10:14 PM

Rock, Sea, or table.....LOL

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 10:16 PM

Oh John, seems like Theorist got you on that one and you're the one who likes to spread lies. I'm glad George Obama set the record straight.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 10:20 PM

Aggie, I don't care if you love GW, I was telling you why I can't support McCain. He sold himself and lost my respect, but that's just me.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 10:25 PM

John, I can have whatever opinion I want and buddy do your own research...I did mine.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 10:47 PM

In regards to the Abraham Lincoln quote:

"You cannot build character and courage by taking away men's initiative and independence."

Interesting given the fact that he felt the need to take away the initiative and independence of the South.

-- Posted by mobushwhacker on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 11:21 PM

It seems that Todd Palin, a union blue collar worker on the night shift when his wife got the nod to be on the ticket is going to pull in dem votes. And that's not even considering how many dem women think he is a real hunk of a man. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Sep 7, 2008, at 1:35 AM

mobushwhacker

Perhaps Lincoln was talking about black men and women's independance...not the slave owners. Ya think?

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sun, Sep 7, 2008, at 11:20 AM


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