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Speak Out 9/3/08

Wednesday, September 3, 2008

Hillary changed

THIS IS in response to the person who called Speak Out saying that Hillary Clinton had been a Democrat her entire life. This is untrue. She was a Republican turned Democrat. About the time she went into college is when she made the switch. If you need to know the truth about this, read "The Truth About Hillary" by Edward Kline.

Show of respect

I WAS emotionally touched Thursday as I left Alma Schrader Elementary School. Every morning the school plays the national anthem. Today I saw three roofers across the street stop, remove their hats, place their hands over their hearts and face the flag during the anthem. It was a wonderful sign of respect and pride, not often seen these days. I only wish I'd had my camera. It was a touching moment.

Credit goes to GOP

I'VE BEEN watching this convention and Bill Clinton, they keep talking about the economy and a balanced budget under Bill Clinton. Let's set the record straight. The only reason he had a balanced budget and surplus is because it was after Newt Gingrich and the Republicans took over the Senate and the House. That's when he got it. He had said that there would be deficits forever, that we would never have a balanced budget. When they took it over, they forced him to sign the balanced budget for that year. So let's set the record straight.

Blame goes to GOP

THIS IS in regard to the article in Speak Out about the Republicans blaming the Democrats for the way the country is. I don't think that's true. The Democrats try to pass things through Congress and the president never would sign them. So we're just getting blamed for something the Republicans didn't want to sign. I think you look in the other direction, where the real cause is. We don't need four more like we had the last eight.

Gas prices

I JUST returned from St. Louis and was startled to see the price of gas still so high. In numerous different towns in St. Louis, the price of gas was no more than $3.36. Just wondering why the Southeast Missouri OPEC still has the price of gas hanging around the $3.50 mark. I guess it's because there's no true competition on the price of gas. That's the price of living in Southeast Missouri, I guess.

Draft horses

WE'D LIKE to make a correction on the Mangels family article in Thursday's Speak Out. They star in the draft horse competition, not the draft car, although I would put them in the same league as Dale Earnhardt wiping out all the competition. They're really something. Everybody come and watch them.

True-blooded American

EVERYDAY THERE'S someone in Speak Out condemning McCain for his seven houses and giving a couple to the poor. He spent years as a prisoner of war. What did Obama do for his country? There is no way I would vote for Obama. McCain proves to me that he is a true-blooded American and God help us to elect him. A true American.

Mall needs better stores

I just read that Steve and Barry's is going out of business. I think the mall could definitely benefit from some better stores. As a mom of three children under age 10, I would love to see them bring a Children's Place clothing store to our mall. I think they could make a fortune.

Setting record straight

It's a minor correction, but the record needs to be set straight. The Speak Out claim that Senator McCain contributed 28 percent of his income to charity is incorrect. His wife made the contribution, and it was 28 percent of her income.

His wife's thing

ACTUALLY I think if John McCain knew just how many houses he owned that would trouble me more because it would show that he's that vain. As it is, I think this is his wife's thing because I think she came from a home that was fairly well off growing up, a lot wealthier than any of us. She's used to those kind of things. But John McCain, he's sort of a common man. In Congress, he's always showed he cares about us, and he's more than just about his houses and it never was an issue before because he always did a good job in Congress for the people he represented.

Movie character?

Mccain's vice presidential pick, Sarah Palin, is the governor of Alaska. She likes to hunt and eat mooseburgers. If she is elected, she might make fine fodder for a movie by the Coen brothers.

Not qualified

I am a woman and a democrat, and this "affirmative action" choice of Sarah Palin is exactly what high-achieving minorities and females are against. She should have to reach the high standards that the office of VP demands. She may be a competent governor of Alaska, but she will never be able to represent our country on an international level. We have to remember that if elected, she will have the strong possibility of becoming president, which is something that being a mayor of a town of 9,000 does not make her qualified for.


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McCAIN, JOHN McCAIN?

I remember that a long time ago, someone once said that he had been a Prisoner of War, however, I don't hear anyone mentioning that today. I have never heard John McCain, ever, ever mention that he was a POW.

Now, this John McCain fellow, isn't he the one who was the ONLY REPUBLICAN who was involved in the KEATING FIVE SAVINGS AND LOAN SCANDAL?

You remember the KEATING FIVE scandal don't you? There were five US Senators, four Democrats, and good ole, "where's my pay-off" John McCain, the lone Republican who did everything possible, including intimidating Federal employees who were investigating another Lincoln Savings and Loan. Due to the treachery of John McCain, the US Taxpayer was taken for about $124.6 billion dollars.

"The U.S. Savings and Loan crisis of the 1980s and 1990s was the failure of 747 savings and loan associations (S&Ls) in the United States. The ultimate cost of the crisis is estimated to have totaled around $160.1 billion, about $124.6 billion of which was directly paid for by the U.S. taxpayer."

"The core allegation of the Keating Five affair is that Keating had made contributions of about $1.3 million to various U.S. Senators, and he called on those Senators to help him resist regulators. The regulators backed off, to later disastrous consequences."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Fiv...

Yeah, this just screams "Proud to be Republican" and "McCain-Palin for Change."

you have got to be kidding...

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:24 AM

Super_Bethie "War and Atonement for sin"

Offensive? You find my comments "offensive"? I find the immoral war against the Iraqi and Afghani people to be offensive. Apparently, you do not.

There you go with this absurd notion that the soldiers protect our freedom of speech. They are not in Iraq defending my freedom of speech, nor, are they in Afghanistan, or, 132 other foreign nations protecting my freedom of speech.

In fact, if your president told them to arrest those who opposed the war, they would be glad to go door to door, kicking in doors as they have in Iraq and Afghanistan and arrest those who oppose this wicked government. They would think that they were doing thier duty, that they were good Americans, fighting to keep America free. They don't question, they don't disobey, even though they legally can refuse an unlawful order. They will just blindly comply with their orders.

They have been used in Iraq and Afghanistan to further the goals of the neocons, the Zionists, imperialists, and globalists. Their deaths, their maiming, their sacrifice have meant nothing to this Bush government and their fellow travelers. McCain may have been a pilot, but he is a politican now. McCain, and especially, Sarah Palin are Zionists. She kow-tows to Israel. If Israel thinks that American troops are to attack Iran, Pakistan, or, go into Georgia in more force than they are there already, McCain-Palin will send them. These troops will mean nothing if McCain is elected. Soldiers are tools to be used, abused, and if they end up broken, this regime believes "what the hell, there are plenty more where they came from."

There is a much bigger war on the horizon, Bethie. If the neocons and imperailsts push Russia too far, she may coil up and strike back. When that war comes, American troops, stretched thin, used over and over in Iraq to advance the goals of the globalists, Halliburton, UNOCAL, Blackwater, zionists, and the imperialists, will try to rise to the ocassion, but there is a point of fatigue, both in war equipment and people. Russian and Chinese troops, fresh, well trained, well equipped will teach this nation a lesson that will either break us, or, make us stronger as a people.

There are serious moral issues involved in war, if you wish not to recognize those issues, and truths, then that is up to you. When you get older, some of us begin to seriously refect on our soul, and where we will spend eternity. We realize that we made decisions that at the time seemed to be the right thing to do four our country. As we get older, and the lies of our leaders and that goverment are revealed, then we question where that puts us in the light of our Judgment. We tought that we were the valiant, the protector of the people, and that we had God's blessing. When you realize that what you fought for, and what many of your countrymen died and were maimed for was all based upon lies, then it makes one a little irratible. I don't expect you to, at this time in your life, to understand. I don't expect others would understand, but I hope that they come to a point in their lives where they do.

To suit up and kill in defense,is moral.

To travel thousands of miles to kill people who never harmed you, never theatened you, well, that Bethie, is immoral and a mortal sin. That sin has to be addressed, it has to be repented, and it requires atonment. I believe that God is a forgiving God, that He may understand why we did what we did, but I am certain, since He kinda put it in stone, that he does not condone murder, nor, does He tolerate glib excuses, including, "I was just following orders." Didn't work for many Germans at the Nuremberg Trials, I don't believe that it is a valid excuse before Him. He may understand, He may be more lienent due to the age of the person as they went to an immoral war for profit, because they didn't understand that their country, their leaders, their president would do that to them. However, sins were committed and sins must be repented and atoned.

The first step is for the soldier to recognize what happened to him, renounce it loudly and publically. After that, there will be opportunities presented to the soldier along the way to repent and atone. To be full of bravado, to be proud of what he did will only prolong the outrage for God, and make redemption all the more more difficult.

Some people are getting stinking rich off of this war, Bethie. That kind of peeves me greatly.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 4:14 AM

ISRAELI NEWS website claims that SARAH PALIN is, in their words, a "CLOSET ZIONIST"

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/...

Video shot in her governor's office shows small Israeli flag taped to her window casing, and her wearing an Israeli flag pin. Not an American flag pin, nor, an Alaskan flag pin, but the flag of Israel.

I am very concerned about foreign influences in our government that set the agenda for America's foreign and war policy. I don't think that any foreign government should have so much power and influence over our politicians.

I am further concerned about so called christian Zionists who wish to impose their radical beliefs upon the nation's policy.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 4:32 AM

Laura Bush said.

Last night, Laura Bush addressed the Republican CONvention in St. Paul.

The told the party faithful that due to her husband's policies, that over millions of people in Iraq and Afghanistan now live free. Whew, she tends to stretch the truth as much, if not more than her war criminal husband.

Millions of Iraqi's and Afghani's living free! Wow, the next thing that you will tell us, Laura, is that UFO's are real.

No wonder this country is in such a mess; morally, financially, economically, and politically. Truth left the CONUS years ago, and the good ole American folks, they are stuptified, in a permanent fog, lost without a compass to point them toward the truth.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 6:09 AM

good morning everyone

Gas prices : usually the price of gas is higher

in St.Louis then Cape/Jackson area....could the

tax base be that much different ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 7:05 AM

Wasnt Neal Bush involved in the Keating Five?

-- Posted by changedname on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:11 AM

Good morning all:

It sure looks like all of the UGLY in politics is coming from the left this morning!!

Jealousy raises its ugly head!! GO SARHA!!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:15 AM

Melange:

I just wanted to counter your 5:28 am post by saying that Palin's qualifications as being a Governor far exceeded Obama's 130 present answers to role call! He has never offered legislation that would help our country. He offered change by picking JB the #3 most liberal person in the senate, How is that change?

The only thing BO has done to make himself look good is telling the press that families and children(Palin's) are off limits. Now besides being a great speaker and family man can you think of anything of substance that BO has done for country or even Illinois? He has good intentions but without any experience AT ALL good intentions won't go far. Lieberman said it best last night, Country before Party, You should think about taking off your blinders and ask your self why you really dislike her!! Is it just plain Jealousy??

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:34 AM

Funny how, right after The Doctor makes an idiot out of himself, Robert Goodbooty shows up posting the same cut and past stuff.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:45 AM

excuse me ... cut and paste stuff

-- Posted by BoratObama on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:46 AM

BoratObama

...ya think they're one and the same person ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:04 AM

Yes I do, as soon as one disappears, the other shows up...

-- Posted by BoratObama on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:12 AM

The UGLINESS in this Forum sure seems more RIGHT that LEFT but that's just an opinion for the opinion page.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:18 AM

I wrote the speak out comment about Palin as an "affirmative action" choice.

And to respond to the argument of me being jealous: I would like to know why every time a woman disagrees with another woman, they are referred to as "jealous"? This is not a common practice among males.

I am an educated, independent woman who does not share the same political views as Palin. To call me "jealous" is an insult to what I believe in.

I wish Palin luck with her family, and I believe she will continue to be a great governor for Alaska, but she does not possess strong qualities required for the presidency of the United States.

-- Posted by TJN on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:19 AM

Oops sorry than from the left its still too early for me.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:19 AM

I agree TJN. And to think the new Repub party hero Liberman sure did highlight Barack's inexperience last night in his speech. He kinda left hers out which I guess you could say is typical.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:21 AM

bob,

i don't think anyone is really ready to be president. ideology aside i think it comes down to who presents as a better leader. for all his slickness Bill Clinton presented as believeable (up to a point). Ronald Reagan was the same way. and despite lacking in experience i think Obama has many of those same qualities.

i find Sara Palin to be a breath of fresh air. i am looking forward to the debates as the debate between she and Biden will be interesting to say the least. Sara Palin offers a package that will play very well to midwest culture. two more months to go. should be good entertainment.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:22 AM

Re robert goodbody

As you said there were four democrats and one republican involved in the Keating Five savings and loan scandle. That just shows that the democrats are four times as big a crook then the republicans.

-- Posted by newman90 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:27 AM

Just_My

Apparently you had a little trouble seeing the TV Screen last night as it plainly stated that he is no longer a Democrat rather now he is INDEPENDENT.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:29 AM

Wal-mart vision center could fix that for you ya know seeing as you have a problem with insurance premiums. You don't need insurance to go there.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:30 AM

Obviously today is not a good day for me to be posting so I am gonna back away from the keyboard and go on about my business. Have a good day everyone.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:34 AM

Just practicing being a good little future republican. Drinking my kool-aid like a good girl and not questioning what the RNC says.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:45 AM

Just_Me..

Robert - May Obama have mercy on your soul

Don't you think that is a BOLD statement?

Wonder what your religious advisor would say?

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:52 AM

Just Me

He ran as an Independent in order to get on the ballot. You clearly shouldn't believe everyhting you see on TV.

-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, 8:39 am

Now this we agree on!

And, I might add, don't believe everything Lieberman says either....LOL

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:54 AM

Just_my

Apparently that went right over your head so I will let it marinate and you can try again later.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:59 AM

Wow, Just Me and my Opinion has really been whining the last couple of days. He and Babe are like a couple of chickens with their heads cut off. Here ya go you two, have fun with this one! LOL! What a joke!

***HEAD LINE***

"McCain More Likely to Drop Palin, Bookmakers Say"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/200809...

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:02 AM

If the posts are not too long, it might aid in reading comprehension and keep your attention. You got it!

Lighten up, I think your really nervous about this upcoming election!

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:03 AM

Personal rhetoric

Anyone going to lunch on Friday Twiggy is interested in knowing when and where so could someone let me know so I can let her know.

Thanks

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:03 AM

Robert Goodbody,

I'll send your diatribe to all the Soldiers I know. It will be a great motivator before they embark on a hard day of kicking in doors and detaining war protesters.

Herr, expect a large group to arrive at instructor's indoctrination camp soonest!

-- Posted by cptfa on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:05 AM

DNC Protestors = 300

RNC Protestors =10,000 +

Even a 3-three-year-old can read between the lines on this one.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:09 AM

does it really make a difference who wins the

election ? whoever does win will go to Washington

and be buddy with Congress ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:14 AM

Yup pretty much Rick. I don't care who wins honestly because they are both going to s.c.r.e.w us all royally anyway.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:17 AM

"I said something to the effect of 'I'll have to dig deeper because I'm just not well versed enough on the subject'." (You're NOT well-versed on ANY subject) LOL!

"You're so full of hate and so off base so early today. What's a matter? Joe Lieberman's appearance at the RNC got you down?"

Joe Lieberman is a lot like losing a rotting tooth. The man couldn't even get re-elected as a Democrat in his own state, so he threw a hissy fit, made a deal with the Republicans (and John McCain) and ran as an Independant. Joe Lieberman's NO Democrat, he's a Bureaucrat! His talents are less than that of Palin, and that's not saying much.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:19 AM

Palin, most likely will be dropped from the ticket within the next two weeks. John took the chance and it's not going to pay off in the end. I look for her to step aside for reason being that she does not want to harm the chance for John to win this election. So while I'm going out on a limb here. I will say that he will end up taking (Tim Pawlenty.)

-- Posted by Service1 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:42 AM

Just, it seems you've been quite active trying to counter balance my attack on Palin and the Republicon party. Doing damage control? Yes...it seems the Republicons have been on the defensive since John "Crazy" McCain has been the "presumptive" nominee.

Here's the facts bloat!

McCain is a flip-flopper, the Republicans didn't want him as a nominee, but it appears they are stuck...so they jumped on his joke of a band wagon.

Palin (and know one has an honest clue how the heck this trollip even got selected.) Her fall will be as fast as her 23 hour rise to fame. You are STUPID to even TRY to suggest she is a serious candidate for VP, so stop the charade.

Fred Thompson - well his votes in the primary pretty well speak of his popularity. What...somewhere below Green Party candidate numbers??

Pres. Bush. - Wow, short and sweet speech. (They rushed his butt right off the telecom rather quickly)

Which leads me to McCain's buddy, Joe Lieberman the (true) McCain pick for VP. Lieberman trumped the Bush speech in time. Make any sense?? Sure it does. McCain wanted him as VP, but Cheney threw a baby hughey fit and brought forth Ms.Gov.Paris Palin Hilton. Why? Because she angered some of his Republicon buddies.

Let me point this out to your most clouded and biasely brainwashed little brain.

McCain -(problematic pain in the rear for the Republican party since the dawn of man)

Palin - some dim-witted trouble making dame that can't see she's being used by the Republican party AND doesn't realize that all of those Republicans that she has "ticked off" have devised a plan to rid her of Alaskan Politics.

Both McCain and Palin have lived by the sword and made enemies in their own party. Now, since the Democratic party was going to win this year anyway (with or without Obama) the GOP heirarchy said, "Sure, why not" "If they win...we still win and can puppet control them." (McCain and Palin are egotist, they just want to be in charge, so this feeds their desires)

If they lose...their careers are over, and badly damaged. The Republicons are removed of the "trouble makers" (and Joe Lieberman) The GOP can move on and think about 2012.

In plain terms, McCain and Palin have lived by their swords, now they will "politically" die by their swords.

Don't believe me? Then why has Romney already announced he'll be running in 2012?

Just, you might vote for McCain and Palin, but I'll tell you this. Cheney, Bush, Bush SR. and the GOP heirarchy, will be punching a ticket for Obama.

No..don't get your dander up, don't blame me. This was a destiny written on the wall several years ago. The McCain/Palin loss will go down as the biggest defeat in the history of Republican Presidential Politics.

Have fun with that...and enjoy your day.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:44 AM

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion, you're NOT going to win this...you do realize that...right? ;o) The harder you lash out now, the more sweet MY victory will be in November. Then buddy...I'll REALLY throw it in your face.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:48 AM

Mall Issue--

Yes, I would love to see Childrens Place and Babies R Us down here. I love both of those places. I go to St. Louis often to shop for my children and those are the two main places I go along with Burlington Coat Factory. Maybe Cape can bring all three in.

-- Posted by momofgirls on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:48 AM

Bottom line everyone in the Republican party thinks the Democrats suck everyone in the Democratic Party thinks the Republicans suck so vote Independent or right in and then you can't be blamed for whoever wins and messes up in the others eyes.

At this rate I would be better off voting for Spongebob Squarepants or Mickey Mouse.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:04 AM

Sorry meant write in your vote fingers aren't listening to the brain today

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:05 AM

Hillary changed: Hey...everyones about change this year.

Show of respect: As should be rightly done every day.

Credit goes to GOP: Oh you do like to distort things don't you.

Blame goes to GOP: Absolutely, after all they've been at the helm for 8-years now.

Gas prices: Yep, we're being gouged, funny how the pump prices go up the day of "speculation." But...when the gas prices plumet, they take their good ole sweet time bring the price down. Off with their heads!

Draft horses: ?

True-blooded American: Being Republicon makes you True Blooded American?? Now that's a racist bigot for sure!

Mall needs better stores: That mall needs a lot of things. LOL

Setting record straight: Here, here!

His wife's thing: OMG....the stupid pills must be free this week.

Movie character? LOL!

Not qualified: YES! I love you!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:09 AM

Doc I'm hurt that you never said anything about MHBC_Spy....Oh well I'm used to being over looked!???:)

-- Posted by Service1 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:19 AM

Just,

LOL...Keep telling yourself that. When are you going to start telling the truth on here? Do you constantly live in such a fantasy world? Warlocks? Unicorns? Fairies? *snicker*

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:23 AM

MHBC_Spy, Why comment on perfection? I read and enjoyed.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:24 AM

I'm going to stick with my original prediction of a Democrat being in the White House come January 20th. Some would say that since John McCain is not a real conservative Republican I cannot lose.

I think come the debates and depending upon the economic outlook in the next two months MCain will have an uphill battle. I state these as an observer in the political trends. Just don't see one side holding onto power for too long in turbulent times such as these.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:43 AM

Doc and Just,

Maybe you guys should just agree that both of you have a 50/50 chance of being right come November. And lord help this forum reguardless of which of you is right because neither of you will allow the other to forget the other one was wrong.

Just my thoughts useless as they might be.

Nickey,

I know we go there alot, but since Twiggy does enjoy their food. How about the mexican place next to the Mall?

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:52 AM

Thanks Pups I will let her know and then let you all know tomorrow. Who knows even I might show up!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:53 AM

As a Catholic and a Notre Dame Fan, I am insulted by Palin's use of the theme from the film "Rudy." To associate herself with such a great film about integrity and grit is blasphemy! She is NO Daniel Eugene "Rudy" Ruettiger!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:55 AM

Why, thank you Doc. You've made my day!

-- Posted by Service1 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 12:14 PM

Somebody call the straight-jacket guys! The Doctor is on a rampage once again.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 12:29 PM

Somebody call the straight-jacket guys! The Doctor is on a rampage once again.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, 11:29 am CDT

To be fair, Doc is not the only one on a rampage. Oh sorry forgot, you agree with the other poster so they aren't on a rampage. My mistake. Oh, and I'm not saying I agree totally with Doc's posts just in case you thought I was playing favorites.

If memeory serves, there were posters awhile back being called 'traitors to their party' when they spoke out against Mary Kasten. Seems these same type of people are calling Lieberman a true American for speaking out against his party. Makes one go mmmmmmmmm doesn't it??

Ok, set myself up for the attacks, so have at it if you must.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 12:44 PM

Pups

You got it right (and of course you'll get blasted), but thanks for saying what I was thinking.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 1:13 PM

Just,

So the DNC made a mistake in 2000 and they lost the whitehouse.(small joke)

But Lieberman has not run as a Dem since the 2006 election cycle. He is an Independent and that is what he was elected as in 2006. And, he has made it clear even back then that he was a McCain supporter. So. I for one, was not surprised to see him speaking at the Rep. Convention. He has spoken his mind. Doesn't make him right, but also doesn't make him wrong. Hell Reagan changed his party to get elected Gov. of California, though he didn't still get called a Dem when he spoke at the Republican Conventions way back when.

Don't think I'm stating what I mean quite as clearly as I want to, but need to get to work. See Republicans aren't the only one with jobs. (again a little joke)

Have a great day Just.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 1:17 PM

Just,

See you can have a sense of humor. "Those people". I hadn't seen it quite that way, but proves that typing and intent can be two different things. I sit corrected. Yes meant some Republicans, not all, but some.

Still wish you a good day though. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 1:22 PM

Couldn't post yesterday--perhaps just as well? ;-)

All over the internet are comments that 'Palin isn't running for President.' IMO, most (all?) of any VP hopefuls actually ARE actually running for president, in one way or another.

10:04 comment, Nickey, was a good one. Perhaps that's why someone like myself can look at candidates without necessarily looking at party affiliation...IMO, both parties have some things I agree with, some I disagree with. Suspecting most individuals could say the same, if they were honest and thoughtful enough.

MHBC, speculation on internet running rampant...many suspecting that McCain/Party will have Palin step aside if his poll numbers don't rise sufficiently, others thinking that Palin herself will drop out with the excuse that she didn't realize how much time would be taken away from her children--and even a few thinking that if McCain/Palin win the election, she might 'resign' and McCain will get the VP of HIS choice rather than the party's.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 1:23 PM

Just_Me posted:

The fact that Joe Lieberman came to the RNC and endorsed a Republican Presidential candidate is nothing short of embarassing to the Dims.

I don't know why you would write this unless you are trying to convince yourself. As you said, he has been running as an independent. I think it may have been more appropriate to say, "The fact that Joe Lieberman came to the RNC and endorsed a Republican Presidential candidate has many questioning the stance of said candidate."

Something you might want to consider.....since we are being of sound and open minds.

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 1:27 PM

Gurusmom

Yup that's my whole thing too. I get called a liberal left wing blah blah blah all the time but truth be told I don't know what I am but I am not all one sided. I have agreements and disagreements on all the issues and tend to pick the one I agree with on the most points if I don't then that's when I write something in.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 1:34 PM

show of respect

I love to hear of this show of patriotism. On a side note, when did it become common to applaud after the National Anthem? They even do so at the Republican convention.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 1:40 PM

Pups,

WTF? I didn't attack anyone, I was making a funny, but damned if everyone in here doesn't have their hackles up. I really do hope they close SO down because people HAVE become so uncivil.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 1:42 PM

i'll be glad when it's this time next year and

the election is long past done with .

no more left, right , in-the-middle argueing

among AMERICANS !

no-one will be elected by the outcome of SO anyways...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 1:53 PM

"...hope they close SO down because people HAVE become so uncivil.

Yes, sometimes they are, unfortunately. However..Because SO is still here, does that mean you have an obligation to read/comment? Don't mean to offend, but IMHO, it's your choice...

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 1:54 PM

BoratObama

That's why I think they need those little Emoticons in here so that way people know when others are joking serious etc. Its so hard to type with inflection and facial expression sometimes.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 1:57 PM

G-Mom

I'm being honest (cross my heart) when I say that I can find nothing that I could even tolerate in Obama. Nothing!

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 2:03 PM

Rick,

Your theory of no more arguing after the election is sweet but just a dream that I know I will never live to see.

-- Posted by all_i_hear_is_blah_blah on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 2:12 PM

BABE

...there has to be some good to him...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 2:12 PM

all_i_hear_is_blah_blah

oh , i know the arguements will go on ...just

not politics over and over and over...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 2:14 PM

Oh I still think they will argue then about what is wrong and what party is at fault. I do believe they are addicted to the drama.

-- Posted by all_i_hear_is_blah_blah on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 2:16 PM

I would love for yall to list Obama's qualifications, experience, voting record or any thing else he has accomplished. Please don't include what he says he's going to do but just what he has done.

PS...And please define the term 'community organizer' on his resume?

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 2:16 PM

BABE

Obama's biggest accomplishment is he's running

for the President of the United States with little

or no experience ...that takes some talent..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 2:27 PM

all_i_hear_is_blah_blah ....ur proberly right...one

can only hope...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 2:29 PM

According to Lieberman's site he's an Independent Democrat. Wants it both ways I guess -too much of a flip/flop for me. Besides, I'd say he's more of a Indepedent Republican and after last night I think most Dems would agree.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 2:29 PM

Borat,

Never said you were attacking anyone. I said I had set myself up for attacks. If you hadn't noticed, apposing views get attacked in here. And both sides do it. Hell, I'm not even innocent in that reguard.

My appologies as I didn't see your statement as a joke, just a statement and I made mine. I in no way meant that you personally were in 'attack mode'. Sorry for the confusion.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 2:30 PM

Rick,

Once this election is over we get to get all the 2010 election stuff. 'It's the Never Ending Story' of American Politics. (that was meant as a joke.)

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 2:36 PM

Melange

Sarah Palin (I'm southern and have an aversion to calling a woman by her last name only) will be presented in a video of her life before her actual speech. Perhaps you should break down and watch it if you want to be informed.

I don't understand your disapproval of her trying to obtain earmarks for her town as mayor. All mayors do so, including our own in this little city, because it is essentially in their job description. MeLange, you know how it works. We send tax dollars to the feds and then try to get some back by jumping through their hoops. After she is elected to the fed office she will be working, as a Republican, to reduce taxes in the first place.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 2:40 PM

Just,

Since you are knew to posting (guessing and not meant to offend by calling you knew), I do have to tell you something. Even if politically it appears you and I are on oppisite sides of the spectrum, I personally will take your personal experience more into my concideration of validity of certain topics.

Think that made sense.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 2:45 PM

rick

Alright, Obama did run for president and did win the nomination. This can be considered an accomplishment. Now, back to his list of experience and qualifications to run this country if elected. What more has he done per his record?

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 2:52 PM

Thanks...and sorry, too.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 2:52 PM

BABE

...sorry , but i come up with a zero on that one...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:00 PM

Pups,

You are being very polite and genteel, and I am not being facetious, I mean that as a compliment.

I applaud your convictions, but if we do not personally know the poster, how then can we take into account their personal experience. I am sure we all bring different views to the forum, based on our lives and background.

I am often attacked as a "know it all", when in day to day life, I am very quiet and unassuming. Could it be the manner in which we present our posts?

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:02 PM

suelynn,

After last night Lieberman won't have that luxury, from what media sources are saying....he's caucased as a Democrat for the last time. Poor Joe, after McCain loses, he'll be thrown out to pasture by the Republicons. Of course McCain will be rejected and be deemed a joke by his Republicon peers, then will soon after resign from the Senate.

Palin will go back to Alaska and enjoy the life of a civilian eating moose burgers and doing cameos for Playboy. Life after politics...there's nothing quite so humbling. Maybe JUST can hold some fundraisers for them, some good will type stuff.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:03 PM

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion new to posting?? Ohh...I've heard otherwise. *snicker*

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:04 PM

Pups

Sometimes you just make me want to scream and claw my face. You still equate debate with personal attacks, it seems. The few nasty personal attacks in this forum are coming from those who are on the left side, just plain unAmerican or have a personal grudge, as you well know just by reading. Oh, I see that you do not feel being called a liberal a personal attack as I have noticed that you proudly call yourself one now. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:08 PM

rick

uh huh...maybe someone else can contribute to the list. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:13 PM

Theorist and Doc,

Taking Just at his word. Could be a character flaw on my part, but it is who I am. Until proven differently I take all posters at their word. And yes, some have proven not to be as honest as I once thought. (not singling anyone out btw)

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:14 PM

Babe,

Oh can I get a picture of you clawing your face???? Maybe then you might shut the hell up. I was not speaking to you and will no longer speak to you or defend you. Why you must take civility as a sign of weakness is beyond me.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:19 PM

Pups,

All any of us can do is take a poster's word for who or what they are unless it is blatantly obvious otherwise. Some posters with interesting opinions and posts have decided to leave when their credibility has been challenged unfairly. For some it is just not worth the hassle.

Heading back for the tall grass to only observe for a while, tough crowd.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:19 PM

Also, let’s clarify the political fear controversy.

First of all, it is the Republicons who have been at the helm of the last eight years of debauchery. Why would I or anyone else backing Obama be fearful?? What?? If McCain get's in, it will be more of the same...nothing new...nothing to be fearful of. Yes angry, but not fearful.

On the other hand, The Republicons AND its supporters are actually the ones in fear. They realize with the election of Obama (or any Democrat) there is going to be a come-uppance for their past actions.

I am posting out of anger, resentment, and displeasure with the last eight years of the incompetent, lying, and self-serving Republicans. They have proven (IMO) that they feel they are beyond the scope of law, and there is NO accountability to the citizenry.

However, it “IS” out of fear...that Babe, Just, and whoever else would even conceive voting for McCain and Palin post these nonsensical posts. McCain a Maverick? Get real…What REAL change does he have to offer from the Bush administration? What REAL change will Palin implement?

Inclosing, IF you want MORE of the last eight years, you will vote for McCain and Palin. Don’t be fooled by their touting of change, McCain’s record is 90% identical to that of George W. Bush. Ten Percent change? No thanks, I want the real thing!

You want a REAL Maverick of change? Then Vote Obama/Biden! DO NOT reward the Republicon party for the last eight years by giving them another four!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:35 PM

Well look what happens I walk away for an hour or so and all heck breaks loose. That wasn't supposed to start with out me!! (kidding)

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:38 PM

Pups

Why couldn't you have just responded to my post in a civil manner? I don't condider my post to be personally attacking you, just disagreeing with you about personal attacks vs debate. 'Scream and claw my face' is a southern expression. I had truly noticed that you had called yourself a proud liberal in many posts and no longer considered it an insult which does play a part here in the discussions of 'personal attacks'. Not to worry, I will 'shut the hell up' with such a thin skinned person such as yourself.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:44 PM

GreyWolf

Did you catch the editoral of yall's cookout?

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:46 PM

LMAO sorry but I don't care who you are that last post from Babe was funny (ironic that is oh he!! who'm I kiddin it was hilarious). If any of you have been around here for a while that is...........

OK I know I'm gonna get it for that one but I don't really care I had to say it Couldn't help myself.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:47 PM

Not to worry, I will 'shut the hell up' with such a thin skinned person such as yourself.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, 2:44 pm CDT

Babe herself said "all the personal attacks are coming from the left". Does this mean BABE IS A LIBERAL????

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:48 PM

Theorist

Are you sure me and you aren't on the same wave length today as far as thoughts go? "why couldn't you respond in a civil manner?" hmmmmmm I won't touch that one......yet

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:52 PM

Just Me....

Fact:

Obama taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago."It certainly is an advantage that he really knows the Constitution of the United States," said Professor Cass Sunstein. "I don't know if we have had a president that knows as much about the founding document as he does."

Fact:

McCain graduated 5th from the bottom of his Academy Class.

Sigh...

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:53 PM

Theorist

No, they seem to still be coming from the left...

Babe,

Oh can I get a picture of you clawing your face???? Maybe then you might shut the hell up. I was not speaking to you and will no longer speak to you or defend you. Why you must take civility as a sign of weakness is beyond me.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, 2:19 pm CDT

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 3:54 PM

Theorist

UC Law School statement: The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer." From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 4:04 PM

Just, said, "Doc - What has the Dim controlled Congress done in the last two years?"

Are you that DIM about how government works? Hard to pass anything when you have a contrived mental case serving as President. You know well the man has VETOED more than he's passed, because he's too ate up with his own personal Republicon vengence agenda.

Are you just that naive, playing dumb, or...is this a true show of your intelligence?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 4:39 PM

Anyway Just, since you are such a young man, I'm going to excuse your innoscence of how the real world works. I'll leave you to it. When you hit 21, get back with me. For now, I gots to be going. Work to do, and the SEMO Fair is just around the corner! Have fun with the RNC, I hope the anarchists don't impale tomatoes in the face of the Republican Vogue VP. Her credibility is damaged enough, she don't need Janet Reno face to make things worse.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 4:47 PM

UC Law School statement: The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer." From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 4:50 PM

Babe,

Fine, I misread and misunderstood your post. For that I appologize, but still think that you and I should refrain from directing post at one another in the future.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 5:42 PM

Just,

Don't need justification for choosing Obama over McCain. I don't like McCain so not voting for him. I know, I'm simplistic aren't I?? lol

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 5:44 PM

suelynn,

Lost me on the purpose of reposting what Babe posted reguarding the Law School thing. Could you clarify for me?

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 5:50 PM

Palin is on the MacPain ticket. CNN is making an issue about how she wasn't vetted enough, create a story when there isn't one.

Hillary should be p*ssed.

Anbar is now in IP hands (Iraqi Police)...haven't heard much about that. Guess acknowledgement that the surge WORKED is acknowledgement of being wrong. And there were so many who jumped on the wrong side of the fence. Biden, B Hussain, Putzlosi, Reed, all the king's horses and all the king's men cannot put this campaign back together again.

Bush isn't running for reelection, but what about the Yellow Cake? A few months ago? I like beating THIS dead horse because it beats poor Val Plame and her nepatismic hubby. Instead of the Bush Lied, People blah tired a$$ed line that has been repeated by the misinformed. Here's my rebut; Bush Knew so Scr*w You!

Have a Happy Day kids.

Any you for lunch on Friday? I'll be in town.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 5:55 PM

Just,

Ok, fine don't know the man personally. I dislike his politics. And I agree with Obama's.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 5:55 PM

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion

B Hussain is an Organizer. He organized stuff that wasn't in order. He filed, scribed, marked, and used windows. He is very smart. And organized. Did I mention he was an Organizer?

He got people together and got them to do stuff that was good. Something in particular? He organized them. He's clean. He doesn't smell. He likes bathing. Bathing is good to B Hussain.

He's got my vote! Killing babies is okay to "B." So it's okay by me!

-- Posted by fajar154 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 6:01 PM

Yeah, hold on. It'll take me just a second to switch to the Robert Goodbody persona.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 6:05 PM

Pups

If you throw a post on a public board then I will respond if I choose.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 6:22 PM

Just,

Oh what the hell, you're just going to rip me if I don't post so I might as well. I'm pro-choice, McCain is not. I'm pro gay marriage, McCain is not. I don't agree with why we went to Iraq*, McCain does. Those are just some of what I politically disagree with McCain on.

*I should clarify that I don't agree with the reasons we went, but understand that we have. Can't change the past. And like I said, will take your word on what is going on over there vs other sources. I'm guessing you won't agree with me here and I except that.*

And on that note, going to step away from the keyboard for the day.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 6:27 PM

Babe,

You have that right.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 6:29 PM

MeLange

Uh huh, I would interept your post to mean 'well, we're losing, so let's shut down SO comments'.

I also find it strange that you would warmly welcome banned poster back, as you did in a recent post, and then complain about uncivility.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 6:35 PM

I guess we all have our reasons for voting for whomever we choose whether it is based on emotions or policy. It is our vote to do with as we please. Some will choose to vote for someone who has no chance of winning and some will not vote at all. We owe no one an explanation for our actions.

I will vote based on policy and ideological agreement/disagreement, but that's just me.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 6:54 PM

WOW...Dexterite...GREAT MEMORY....NEIL BUSH & Savings and Loan Scandal!!!

You continue to impress, Dexterite. Yes, Neil Bush was involved in the Keating Five and the Savings and Loan scandal. I put "neil bush keating five" into a search engine and responses popped up all over the place.

Neil Bush and Silverado, is a good one.

If you remember, Neil Bush, the son of "Crying" George HW Bush, and the brother of puppet George W. Bush, was to be the Denver dinner guest of the brother of John Hinckley, who shot President Reagan the night of the assassination attempt on Reagan.

I had completely forgotten about Neil Bush and the Savings and Loan scandal. Thank you for the great information.

It is so sad that people here refuse to believe what is before their eyes. You can feel it, you can touch it, yet, they close t heir eyes, and worst yet, close their minds.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 6:55 PM

While you slept today>

Your war criminal president, bush, has authorized $1 Billion dollars in aid to the Israeli satellite state of Georgia. There is supposed to not be any military aid in this particular gift of our tax dollars to the criminal state of Georgia, however, the president said he would not rule out military aid in the future. That is sure to draw a response from the Russians, as well it should.

That other war criminal of yours, dick cheney, is on a trip to Georgia. Wonder why this POS of yours did not attend the GOP CONfest in St. Paul?

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 7:01 PM

Yup pretty much Rick. I don't care who wins honestly because they are both going to s.c.r.e.w us all royally anyway.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, 9:17 am CDT

This is a classic I DONT KNOW CRAP ABOUT POLITICS Statement!!

Sorry Nickey I only call it the way I see it!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 7:05 PM

HMMMMM.....YELLOW CAKE....that's my favorite.

Come now, there was YELLOW CAKE found in Iraq, and the fair to middling, totally unbalanced FAUX NEWS didn't beat the drum for you? How come that?

Sean Hannity didn't pick up this incredible story? Pish Posh, I don't believe ole Sean wouldn't have had a little of that yellow cake right there on the set with him. Bill O'Rielly didn't report it? What about Fox News Sunday, where were they on this great stroy you have put before us?

Yeah, the neocon, Zionist friendly media, from CBS, CNN, Fox News, ABC, and NBC shut out this story about yellow cake being found in Iraq, yep, I believe that.

You know that trusted icon of globalist-imperailst neocon propaganda would still be running with this incredible story, if it were true. So, why isn't RUSH still talking this up? Perhaps, it isn't true?

You people are so funny. You always blame the media. The media is totally the fault of the closer look at your loon, Sarah Palin. It isn't the fact that she is a member of the Alaska Independence Party, a group that wants Alaska to leave the United States. It isn't that she tried to ban books at the library when she was mayor of Wasilla, it isn't the fact that she fired the head of the Alaska Department of Public Safety because he would not fire an Alaska State Highway Patrolman, her fromer brother-in-law. You see her as a heroine, I see her as an incredible vindictive b*tch.

The media was ALL on board for the attack on Iraq. Even CNN was pro-war. So, stop bad mouthing the media, they aren't your problem.

Yellow Cake? I like mine with chocolate frosting.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 7:15 PM

MeLange said:

As far as your request for me to list Obama's qualifications...I do MY own research and hope other voters do too. Noting: I do NOT partake in THE political crap SOME of you seem to enjoy doing. I merely was commenting on what "I" had heard the media offer us.

This is a cop out! Not At all like you.

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 7:28 PM

NICKEY... if you don't want to vote, don't... I don't blame you.

It is hard for me to vote for Obama, but I may. There are so many reasons not to, but they do not out weigh the reasons to not vote for McCain-Palin.

There is no good choice at the head of either of the two major party tickets this year. Both are globalists, both are zionists, both are neocon, and both contend that they will continue talk tough and say that they may launch wars on people who never harmed us.

If you don't wish to vote, that is your decision. If you wish to write in the name of "Zyluchxtgama" from the planet Siron, that is your right. If you wish to vote for a third party candidate, or, sit home and wash your hair, that is your right and no one's business.

There is no such thing as the "lessor of two evils." Because, either way, you still elect an 'evil.'

The men of 1776 fought for your right to vote, or, not to vote.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 7:28 PM

MeLange Said this too:

What are the qualities that Palin has that "I" would want? None that I have heard about in the media or from MY research

How about 2 years of executive experience as Governor, Or maybe that she is a good mom, a trusted person in her community. You may not think so but these are great qualities.

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 7:36 PM

OBAMA Lacks Savings and Loan Scandal experience!

It saddens me to admit that Obama is not as experienced as Johnny McCain when it comes to corruption. See, John McCain was a principal player in Keating Five Savings and Loan scandal of the 1980's. John was the ONLY Republican to be caught pressuring regulators to keep away from some of their favorite Savings and Loan contributors.

There was a huge blow up in the industry, due in large part to lack of regulation, and oversight, and American taxpayers were on the hook, (had to pay) for almost $200 BILLION dollars to straighten McCain's dabbling in corruption.

Yes, Obama does lack experience, he is not as corrupt as McCain.

By the way, ya'll like my "men kissing" avatar? The guy on the left looks awfully familiar, doesn't he?

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 7:36 PM

Mr Goodbody

You seem to be the one who sleeps all day and therefore doesn't get timely news. Sarah Palin has never been a member of the Independence Party. Media has already apologized for the misinformation.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 7:38 PM

PALIN and the ALASKAN INDEPENDENCE PARTY

Don't know who recanted, BABE, but here is the story from the LA Times. Both her and her husband have that quirkly little idea of Alaska leaving the USA.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-...

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 7:41 PM

MeLange

The research you speak of is mostly copy and paste!

Where do you get most of it from? How can you possibly expect us to believe any of it when you don't present any of your own original thoughts with it.

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 7:46 PM

Mr Goodbody

Sorry, but Todd Palin has always been an 'undeclared' as is allowed in Alaska since he registered to vote twenty years ago. Sarah was 'undeclared' for a few years before she registered Republican.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 7:47 PM

Bob

Some folks are busy, busy, busy making lists of who they will not post to anylonger because of the lack of civility here. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 7:54 PM

Just you nailed me again, I've been out at the Fair Grounds all day slapping Obama stickers on all the hindends of the livestock. Tomorrow I'm going back again and will be engraving a HUGE Obama logo into the side of the Tilt-a-whirl. You're soo smart, man...with republicons like you, McCain don't need enemies. LOL

Oh...here's another Palin Diss. LOL

****HEADLINE****

"******, Murphy trash Palin on hot mike: 'It's over'"

After a segment with NBC's Chuck Todd ended today, Republican consultant Mike Murphy and Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy ****** were caught on a live mike ridiculing the choice of Sarah Palin.

"It's over," said ******, who then responded to a question of whether Palin is the most qualified Republican woman McCain could have chosen.

"The most qualified? No. I think they went for this — excuse me — political ******** about narratives," she said. "Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it."

Murphy chimed in:

"The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical."

******'s blunt call contrasted with her conflicted column today saying Palin "could become a transformative political presence."

"The Sarah Palin choice is really going to work, or really not going to work," ****** wrote. "It's not going to be a little successful or a little not; it's not going to be a wash. She is either going to be magic or one of history's accidents. She is either going to be brilliant and groundbreaking, or will soon be the target of unattributed quotes by bitter staffers shifting blame in all 'The Making of the President 2008' books."

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:01 PM

Babe

I sure hope that I was not being uncivil I wasnt trying to.

I would just like for someone,anyone to tell me what BO has done to qualify him for the Presidency.

All I keep hearing is McCain is not qualified so what gives Obama qualifications??

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:04 PM

More Palinisms:

Did Palin Call Hillary Clinton a Whiner?

September 02, 2008 2:15 PM

ABC News' Eloise Harper Reports: Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, in a video interview with Newsweek posted on YouTube, discussed the coverage of Sen. Hillary Clinton. In an interview that appears to have taken place during the Democratic primary, Palin criticizes Clinton for her response to media scrutiny she received while on the campaign trail.

Palin says, "When I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism or you know maybe a sharper microscope put on her I say man that doesn’t do us any good. Women in politics, women in general wanting to progress this county. I don’t think it’s, it bodes well for her a statement like that."

Oh...Who's whining now, who's whining now. LOL. Oh yes, she will be whining in her speech tonight how the "Pwess has hurt her wittle feewings" LOL

She's a two-faced, flip-floping, political nobody. If this were a Gong Show episode, she'd been ousted on her coat tails by now. Get her outta here! Boo Hiss Boo!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:07 PM

Who's MOG?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:09 PM

Just, do you work??? Good Grief, you haven't left the computer all day.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:10 PM

Doc

I have exerpts from Sarah Palin's speech. Hang on for the ride!

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:18 PM

OK Doc.

How about you? Can you give specifics on something that Senator Obama has done that qualifies him to be President??

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:18 PM

Bob

No, you were not uncivil and I'm still waiting for the same answer to my question of Obama's qualifications of this afternoon, too.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:20 PM

Do you work from home, or do you stay at work 24/7. You never left the computer long enough to drive from one to the other. Honestly...here is how this is going to go, every time you OR babe comment about how GREAT Palin is, I will continue to tear her down.

It is apparent the folks in the forum are becoming rather tired of the subject. Why don't you give them a break?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:20 PM

This is a little scary, Robert Goodbody, but IMO your 6:28 comments were really thoughtful. I especially appreciated the comment that there is no such thing as the lesser of two evils, which I hadn't considered before. Thank you.

I'm apolgizing beforehand, Silent_Bob, but your statement about Palin being considered a 'good mom' isn't in line with 1,000's of blogs on the internet. Even high-level career moms feel that she is, and has been, in effect, putting her children second over her political aspirations. Agree she appears to be a trusted person in her community--but at the same time, many of her close associates, friends, and political allies are saying the same thing: She is not qualified to be in the possible position of VP or, ultimately, president...Also, apologizing for the lengthy post, which we all pretty much hate. But since I seldom am allowed to post, these comments have been building up in my Notepad...

'She's not qualified, she doesn't have the judgment, to be next in line to the president of the US.' Larry Persily, R, former congressional liason in Palin's Washington office. He also said that she owed her election to the unpopularity of former Gov. Murkowski.

'Most people would acknowledge that, regardless of her charm and good intentions, Palin is not ready for the top job. McCain seems to have put his political interests ahead of the nation's when he created the possibility that she might fill it.' Fairbanks News-Miner.

'She's not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be VP or President? Look at what she's done to this state. What would she do to the nation?' Lydia Green, R, president of the Alaska State Senate

'She's old enough. She's a US citizen.' John Harris, R, Speaker of the House, when asked about Palin's qualifications for VP.

'Palin's administration had the appearance of paying absolutely no attention to any of the rest of the unglamourous side of government, whether it be dealing with human services, public services, highways, all the routine aspects.' Mike Hawker, R

'...tends to oversimplify complex issues...it is clear that she has not paid much attention to the nitty-gritty unglamorous work of government, of gaining consensus, and making difficult compromises. She seems to be of the view that politics should be all simple...' Anchorage Daily News

Anyone want to talk about the road that was built up to the Bridge to Nowhere (which she campaigned for during her governor's campaign), which was financed by the earmark money? Or her involvement in the Ballot 4 Initiative regarding the polution of the watershed that drains into the world's largest salmon-producing river system (she was siding with the Pebble Mine Co.)? Incidentally, it is illegal (at least in Alaska) for a governor to get involved in a ballot initiative, thus her Department of Natural Resources was forced to take down their 'information page' that was against the measure. Or that she cut taxes in Wasilla, but raised sales taxes, leaving the city in debt when she moved on? Or that she was on the board of the Ted Stevens 527 group?

Or The Matanuska Maid dairy story? She sacked the entire Board of Agriculture & Conservation, installed her own people, who then fired the entire Creamery Board and DECLARED THEMSELVES the Creamery Board. The dairy, which was failing, went under. Many comments that Palin seems to have a tendency to solve problems by firing anyone who does not agree with her; if that doesn't work, fire their bosses.

One more...If Palin had been selected as Obama's running mate...Would those who are praising her while ignoring her deficiencies still feel the same way about her? Can we say 'fair and balanced?' ;-)

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:25 PM

Melange

Don't get snippy now, Your the one that is always braggin about your research. However (and I'm not being critical) You have yet to answer my question on your own or give any research data on a substantive issue that Obama has ran with. So just so we know how to refute your claims intelligently, What qualifies him??

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:28 PM

"If" is a very overused word and really can never be proven one way or the other.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:32 PM

Babe/Just....Thing?

Ok, you want a list....here ya go!

Have fun with it! LOL

Barack Obama has introduced nearly 300 bills during his time in the U.S. Senate, and cosponsored close to 1,000 others. If you would like a full look at his legislative efforts, search the 109th Congress at http://thomas.loc.gov/bss/d109query.html and 110th Congress at http://thomas.loc.gov/bss/d110query.html

S.AMDT.1041 to S.1082 To improve the safety and efficacy of genetic tests.

S.AMDT.3073 to H.R.1585 To provide for transparency and accountability in military and security contracting.

S.AMDT.3078 to H.R.1585 Relating to administrative separations of members of the Armed Forces for personality disorder.

S.AMDT.41 to S.1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.

S.AMDT.524 to S.CON.RES.21 To provide $100 million for the Summer Term Education Program supporting summer learning opportunities for low-income students in the early grades to lessen summer learning losses that contribute to the achievement gaps separating low-income students from their middle-class peers.

S.AMDT.599 to S.CON.RES.21 To add $200 million for Function 270 (Energy) for the demonstration and monitoring of carbon capture and sequestration technology by the Department of Energy.

S.AMDT.905 to S.761 To require the Director of Mathematics, Science, and Engineering Education to establish a program to recruit and provide mentors for women and underrepresented minorities who are interested in careers in mathematics, science, and engineering.

S.AMDT.923 to S.761 To expand the pipeline of individuals entering the science, technology, engineering, and mathematics fields to support United States innovation and competitiveness.

S.AMDT.924 to S.761 To establish summer term education programs.

S.AMDT.2519 to H.R.2638 To provide that one of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5 million or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee certifies in writing to the agency awarding the contract or grant that the contractor or grantee owes no past due Federal tax liability.

S.AMDT.2588 to H.R.976 To provide certain employment protections for family members who are caring for members of the Armed Forces recovering from illnesses and injuries incurred on active duty.

S.AMDT.2658 to H.R.2642 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.

S.AMDT.2692 to H.R.2764 To require a comprehensive nuclear threat reduction and security plan.

S.AMDT.2799 to H.R.3074 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.

S.AMDT.3137 to H.R.3222 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.

S.AMDT.3234 to H.R.3093 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.

S.AMDT.3331 to H.R.3043 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.

Senate Resolutions Passed:

S.RES.133 : A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.

S.RES.268 : A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as “National Summer Learning Day”.

S.J.RES.23: A joint resolution clarifying that the use of force against Iran is not authorized by the Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq, any resolution previously adopted, or any other provision of law.

S. 453: Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2007. The Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2007 (H.R.1281), (S.453), would establish criminal penalties for acts of voter deception. Those who knowingly disseminate false information with the intention of keeping others from voting would face up to five years in prison under the legislation. The Act was sponsored by Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) and 60 cosponsors in the House, and Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and 15 cosponsors in the Senate. (20 Cosponsors)

S. 2030: A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require reporting relating to bundled contributions made by persons other than registered lobbyists. (1 Cosponsor)

S. 2111: Positive Behavior for Effective Schools Act. A bill to amend the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 to allow State educational agencies, local educational agencies, and schools to increase implementation of early intervention services, particularly school-wide positive behavior supports. (3 Cosponsors)

S. 2066: Back to School: Improving Standards for Nutrition and Physical Education in Schools Act of 2007. A bill to establish nutrition and physical education standards for schools.

S. Con. Res. 46: A concurrent resolution supporting the goals and ideals of Sickle Cell Disease Awareness Month

S. 2044: Independent Contractor Proper Classification Act of 2007. A bill to provide procedures for the proper classification of employees and independent contractors, and for other purposes. (6 Cosponsors)

S. 2519: Contracting and Tax Accountability Act of 2007. A bill to prohibit the awarding of a contract or grant in excess of the simplified acquisition threshold unless the prospective contractor or grantee certifies in writing to the agency awarding the contract or grant that the contractor or grantee has no seriously delinquent tax debts, and for other purposes.

S. 2433: Global Poverty Act of 2007. A bill to require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day. (9 Cosponsors)

S. 2330: Veterans Homelessness Prevention Act. A bill to authorize a pilot program within the Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development with the goal of preventing at-risk veterans and veteran families from falling into homelessness, and for other purposes.

And it's really about what the people want, and what Obama is offering!

Change on the stratagy in Iraq (Redeployment)

Affordable Health Care for All

Repair the Economy

And Alternative Fuels

MCCAIN has had decades to accomplish these things, and hasn't!! He won't, and doesn't want too! Face the facts JUST people want change...of PARTIES! McCain and Palin will just be the sacrificial lambs that the GOP has put up to receive BIGGEST loss in Republican history! It didn't matter WHO the Democratic Party put up. They could have put up YOU for all I care. As long as the candidate had a (D)behind his or her name and is for UHC, redeploying from Iraq, finding alternate fuels, and fixing the economy, I was and AM voting for them. Everyone is SICK of Republicans! All of them!!!

NOW....WHAT has McCain accomplished other than single handedly demolishing the foundation of Habeas Corpus and the Magna Carta??

McCain a True Blooded American? Yeah...right! Stripping the power of Habeas Corpus is just about as Communist and Totalitarian as you can get!! You would think a POW would have known better!!!

Eat that! Chew On it! Cipher it! Absorb it! and Stick it where the sun doesn't shine! You're cooked, well-done, my friend! Hang it up now! I just retired you!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:38 PM

G-Mom

First I will say welcome to the debate. Your words are of course welcome and most times present well thought out responses, However you started spewing out the same crap that I have read all day long from other scared Democrats. NOTHING ORIGINAL!

OK so if her 2 years as an executive in charge of the state of Alaska don't qualify her for the #2 SPOT how in HELLS BELLS does Obama qualify with only 130 days present in the senate?

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:38 PM

Just "The bridge to nowhere?"

Hey silly! Palin was ORIGINALLY FOR THAT!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:40 PM

Mom said, "Even high-level career moms feel that she is, and has been, in effect, putting her children second over her political aspirations." Amen Amen Amen, if not exploiting them to gain political office.

She is #1 exploiting this new situation with her daughter, #2 exploiting the fact her child has Down's Syndrome. Infact, the GOP is now USING THIS as a platform for her. It's sick, and it's twisted.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:46 PM

Doc.

That all just liberal contraband that has been made up knowing that there was going to be a nominee because Its an Election year you T.W.I.T. It happens every 4 years, and I for one think its funny that you fell for it.

They would have published the same list if the adulterer John Edwards Was the nominee,

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:48 PM

Gotta go before I get Mad

Bob is back quiet!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:51 PM

G-Mom

Yes, I would be happy to debate your perceived deficiencies of Sarah Palin's qualifications. But not at this time because it is an indepth subject and I want to watch her 'hit it out of the ballpark' speech tonight. Oh wait...If you watch it you may learn from her why she took the positions she did. And I am simply amazed that you would call her a bad mother.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:51 PM

Me'lange and GurusMom,

Thank you for voicing your opinions on Palin. Its great to hear from two Level Headed women that realize Palin is just a pawn in the game of partisan politics.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:52 PM

MeLange Said

Funny, thought taking responsibility for one's choices, behaviors and consequences was a Conservative quality. I'm taking responsibility for my choices...I do NOT like the way you three debate in this public forum. THUS, I will NOT be responding to YOUR post. :-)~

-- Posted by Me'Lange on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, 7:40 pm CDT

Don't know what three you are referring too because I am relatively new here.

I think that you wont respond because your out of Ammo and have no original thoughts on the subject. Its a shame that on something so important you fail to do the research and when someone calls you on it you get angry, snippy and insulted. Its time to grow up young lady and if your not in for the long run you should stay home!!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:01 PM

Check this out and tell me how hard he's working!!

Notice all of the not voting issues.

Description Result Position

196 2 7/31/08 On the Concurrent Resolution H.Con.Res. 398

A concurrent resolution providing for an adjournment or recess of the two Houses. Concurrent Resolution Agreed to (48-40) Not Voting

195 2 7/31/08 On Cloture on the Motion to Proceed S. 3001

An original bill to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2009 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe military personnel strengths for such fiscal year, and for other purposes. Cloture on the Motion to Proceed Rejected (51-39, 3/5 majority required) Not Voting

194 2 7/31/08 On the Conference Report H.R. 4137

A bill to amend and extend the Higher Education Act of 1965, and for other purposes. Conference Report Agreed to (83-8) Not Voting

193 2 7/31/08 On the Conference Report H.R. 4040

A bill to establish consumer product safety standards and other safety requirements for children's products and to reauthorize and modernize the Consumer Product Safety Commission. Conference Report Agreed to (89-3) Not Voting

192 2 7/30/08 On the Cloture Motion S. 3335

A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to extend certain expiring provisions, and for other purposes. Cloture Motion Rejected (51-43, 3/5 majority required) Not Voting

191 2 7/30/08 On the Cloture Motion S. 2035

A bill to maintain the free flow of information to the public by providing conditions for the federally compelled disclosure of information by certain persons connected with the news media. Cloture Motion Rejected (51-43, 3/5 majority required) Not Voting

190 2 7/29/08 On the Cloture Motion H.R. 6049

A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide incentives for energy production and conservation, to extend certain expiring provisions, to provide individual income tax relief, and for other purposes. Cloture Motion Rejected (53-43, 3/5 majority required) Not Voting

189 2 7/28/08 On the Cloture Motion S. 3297

A bill to advance America's priorities. Cloture Motion Rejected (52-40, 3/5 majority required) Not Voting

188 2 7/28/08 On the Motion (Motion to Instruct Sgt. At Arms)

A bill to advance America's priorities. Motion Agreed to (87-3) Not Voting

187 2 7/26/08 On the Cloture Motion S. 3186

A bill to provide funding for the Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program. Cloture Motion Rejected (50-35, 3/5 majority required) Not Voting

186 2 7/26/08 On the Motion (Motion to Concur in the House Amendment to Senate Amendment to the House Amendments to the Senate Amendment to HR 3221)

A bill to provide needed housing reform and for other purposes. Motion Agreed to (72-13) Not Voting

185 2 7/25/08 On the Cloture Motion H.R. 3221

A bill to provide needed housing reform and for other purposes. Cloture Motion Agreed to (80-13, 3/5 majority required) Not Voting

184 2 7/25/08 On the Cloture Motion S. 3268

A bill to amend the Commodity Exchange Act, to prevent excessive price speculation with respect to energy commodities, and for other purposes. Cloture Motion Rejected (50-43, 3/5 majority required) Not Voting

183 2 7/22/08 On Cloture on the Motion to Proceed S. 3268

A bill to amend the Commodity Exchange Act, to prevent excessive price speculation with respect to energy commodities, and for other purposes. Cloture on the Motion to Proceed Agreed to (94-0, 3/5 majority required) Not Voting

182 2 7/16/08 On Passage of the Bill H.R. 5501

A bill to authorize appropriations for fiscal years 2009 through 2013 to provide assistance to foreign countries to combat HIV AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria, and for other purposes. Bill Passed (80-16) Not Voting

181 2 7/16/08 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 5077 to S. 2731 (Tom Lantos and Henry J. Hyde United States Global Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Reauthorization Act of 2008)

To reduce to $35,000,000,000 the amount authorized to be appropriated to combat HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria in developing countries during the next 5 years. Amendment Rejected (31-64) Not Voting

180 2 7/16/08 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 5082 to S. 2731 (Tom Lantos and Henry J. Hyde United States Global Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Reauthorization Act of 2008)

To limit the period during which appropriations may be made to carry out this Act and to create a point of order in the Senate against any appropriation to carry out this Act that exceeds the amount authorized for fiscal year 2013. Amendment Rejected (28-67) Not Voting

179 2 7/16/08 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 5081 to S. 2731 (Tom Lantos and Henry J. Hyde United States Global Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Reauthorization Act of 2008)

To strike the provision requiring the development of coordinated oversight plans and to establish an independent Inspector General at the Office of the Global AIDS Coordinator. Amendment Rejected (44-51) Not Voting

178 2 7/16/08 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 5083 to S. 2731 (Tom Lantos and Henry J. Hyde United States Global Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Reauthorization Act of 2008)

To establish a bipartisan commission for the purpose of improving oversight and eliminating wasteful government spending under the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief. Amendment Rejected (32-63) Not Voting

177 2 7/15/08 On Overriding the Veto H.R. 6331

A bill to amend titles XVIII and XIX of the Social Security Act to extend expiring provisions under the Medicare Program, to improve beneficiary access to preventive and mental health services, to enhance low-income benefit programs, and to maintain access to care in rural areas, including pharmacy access, and for other purposes. Veto Overridden (70-26, 2/3 majority required) Not Voting

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:09 PM

Hey MeLange

This research stuff is easy!! Copy and Paste....

http://obama.senate.gov/votes/index.cfm?...

More truth on Obama not voting.

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:15 PM

"Even high-level career moms feel that she is, and has been, in effect, putting her children second over her political aspirations."

Doc,

Let's replace the word political with career in the above quote. Would it apply to a female district manager who is away from home a couple nights a week? How about a mother who accepts a promotion and must move her family to another city as a condition of said promotion. What about those high achieving local mothers that were named to the top 40 under 40?

-- Posted by cptfa on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:17 PM

people called Gore a robot. Romney is a bigger robot as a speaker. i don't think he did himself much favor in the future. not much electrifying in that speech. surely Huckabee will top that.

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:25 PM

so far i would take Huckabee over McCain. Oops...too late. But for real he plays better than Romney screaming. He is paving his way for the future.

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:33 PM

Funny, all the attendants of the RNC are dress in suits like they are attending a ball. While the DNC attendees were dressed more casual, common, and real. The RNC sign read Prosperity or Country first, the DNC signs read Change or Hope.

So...the RNC is for rich prosperity and giving MORE to the Country. In the last eight years, haven't we given enough? Sacrificed enough? lost enough? Seems they have already forgotten about the lives lost on Sept. 11th, and all the lives we sacrificed in Iraq. Sad, Sad, Sad.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:42 PM

82allamerican, the top 40 under 40 weren't exploiting their children.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:44 PM

OMG, looks like another night of fun here. What would any of us do if we didn't have each other to abuse and call stupid, ignorant, or idiot? Also, God forbid someone around here have an opposing opinion. Once one IS given, the next thing you know someone's cutting and pasting a 20 page dissertation as to why the guy who has just given his opinion is an idiot, or better yet they will continually post entry after entry after entry of c.r.a.p. they've just Googled in an attempt to prove that they are somehow better or "smarter" than the person they don't agree with.

God Bless Our Country. Gotta Love It! :-)

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:46 PM

Now Palin is saying the Iraq war was a 'call from God"...read her speech on an article on todays front page... religious nut.

-- Posted by changedname on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:48 PM

82allamerican,

Sorry, but you're not entitled to an answer to your question. But you do win a smart-assed comeback from The_Doctor, though.

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:51 PM

dexterite,

Why not listen to her speech first, before you criticize her as being a religious 'nut'?

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:54 PM

Doc,

The quote makes no mention of exploitation.

-- Posted by cptfa on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:55 PM

82allamerican,

Trust me...don't go there, bro. That will cost you at least 4-5 rebuttal posts now.

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:56 PM

i give Huckabee a B+ and Romney a C- and that is being kind to Romney. the whole media bias drum the repubs beat is getting thin. sounds like a bunch of whining that they complain about from libs. lets see how rudy does.

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:02 PM

Did yall know that you can fit 250 Delawares in the state of Alaska? giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:07 PM

MY GOSH, it's letting me post again--after 2 aborted attempts!

Hey! I'm not debating...just presenting facts I've found--most that I haven't seen presented here, although I admit to having been in and out & maybe missed some! Thought was, maybe some people would like to have a few facts (even from me) instead of just opinion. ;-) Nor am I touting any of the candidates--none really appeal to me, personally OR politically. Often I am good, though, at 'finding fault' where fault belongs. Would be SO much easier for me if I were a My-Party-Right-Or-Wrong person. And thanks to the 2 posters presenting Obama pro/con facts. Facts are essential before voting--which IMO doesn't happen often enough.

Okay, a PERSONAL OPINION: Playing silly gender games with a VP pick is below what I would have expected from the party I've been a member of for over 20 years.

Thanks for info that Palin was NOT registered as a member of the Alaska Independence Party. I could have cared less about that. However, sort of easy to see why it was thought she was a member...Six months ago, she told members of AIP "Keep up the good work" & wished the party luck on an 'inspiring convention.' She spoke the the party's convention in 2006.

An AIP vice chairman brought up Palin's ties to the group in videotaped remarks to the second North American Secessionist Convention in October in Chattanooga, Tenn. "She was an AIP member before she got the job as the mayor of a small town," Clark told the group. "That was a nonpartisan job. But you get along to go along. She eventually joined the Republican Party."

Don't know that I called Palin a 'bad mom,' but...someone has to be taking care of her children right now and in the future, and it certainly doesn't appear to be her priority, if she sticks to the agenda necessary to run for & possibly be elected as VP. If many think she's more concerned with her career than her children--Well, all entitled to their opinions, too. Perhaps if everyone quit using her super-soccer-mom persona as one of her selling points, there would be less criticism?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:08 PM

G-Mom

All of Sarah Palin's family is with her tonight and will be in the future.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:23 PM

...i wouldn't be surprised if Palin backed out

and was replaced . i get the feeling she was the

GOP pick and not necessarily McCain's pick .

-- Posted by ..Rick on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:25 PM

Silent Bob...

They would have published the same list if the adulterer John Edwards Was the nominee,

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, 7:48 pm CDT

OH NO YOU DIDN'T!

You don't really want to talk about Adulterers with the Presidential hopeful you are supporting......LMAO!!!!

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:28 PM

For those that think the Enquirer is a great source for news....

The Enquirer is alledging that Palin had an affair with her husbands business partner!

They did nail Edwards so odds are they are right this time too???

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, 9:00 pm CDT

Him too? I was also understanding that there was an affair with a certain politcal runningmate while she was running for Governor of Alaska. Can we all say, Sean Parnell? Oh yes..Alaska, the most LIBERAL, Conservative state in the Union. The home-base for two-faced, flip-flop politics.

McCain/Palin = Flip/Flop

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:29 PM

notice the very blatant ommission of the dreaded four letter word (Bush) in any speech. Reagan has been mentioned I don't know how many times. Rudy is a good speaker. cannot tell that he is reading from a teleprompter. they got the order right tonight in having him lead up to Palin...at least i hope it was. he may just have set the bar too high for her. we will see.

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:29 PM

Oh look, she's come out trying to look like Mrs. Kennedy

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:31 PM

I'm a White Sox fan. ;o)

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:31 PM

How did her lessons in Foreign Policy go over this weekend?? Oh look, Baby Daddy is there too. Aw...aren't they Sexually Uneducated and cute and holding their baby.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:37 PM

Oh here we go with her "common" people speech. LOL If that's the case, she's not rich enough to be Republican!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:38 PM

John McCain is the same man wherever he goes?? HA! Does he offer his wife up for wet T-shirt contests on every stop he makes?? What a liar!!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:45 PM

I'm sure the Hilton's aren't pleased with this blatant attack on their daughter! I get it now! McCain picked Palin, because of Paris's slam video of him. Tisk Tisk, Grow up John! LOL The RNC Bounce will drop McCain 10 points LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:48 PM

Where's Dick Cheney?? Oh yea..Gustav?? Wait no...?? Where is he???

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:49 PM

***NEWS FLASH***

US confirms raid inside Pakistan

What..now we pay them 3 billion dollars, then raid them??? Did Palin know this?? Oh wait, she's still braggin about the Bridge to know where, that she ORIGINALLY SUPPORTED.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:51 PM

The people of Alaska are angured by Palin's lies about the "bridge to nowhere". And by the way, she kept the money.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/i...

-- Posted by concerned4all on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:03 PM

Johnston, 18, is believed to be the father of Palin's 17-year-old daughter Bristol's baby. On Monday, Palin revealed that the unwed Bristol is five months pregnant.

"BELIEVED" to be?? LOL OMG! How many times has this sexually uneducated girl been pregnant??

Ohhh and more on MOMMY DEAREST:

We have now learned that even at the level of mayor, Palin was a screeching, polarizing campaigner who brought in anti-abortion groups to turn up the heat in her mayoral race, in a tiny town in which local politics had been quite friendly until she came along. Once she won the mayor’s job, she fired all the department heads who had been loyal to her predecessor, and then betrayed some of her own supporters by firing THEM. She fired one of her most loyal supporters, the police chief, because he wasn’t as pro-NRA as she was; he eventually sued. Even the department heads she DID keep, were warned that they weren’t even allowed to talk to reporters unless they got her permission first. She tried to ban books from the local library, and threatened to fire the librarian when she didn’t go along. Her church passed out fliers for a group working to teach gays to “overcome” their homosexuality. When Alaska’s highest court struck down an overly-restrictive anti-abortion law in 2007, Palin shrieked that it was "outrageous".

When Sarah Palin was forced out of the mayor’s job, her mother-in-law, who is pro-choice, ran for the job. Sarah backed her opponent, and their allies spraypainted “BABYKILLER” on her campaign signs. The woman who beat her mother-in-law is still mayor of Wasilla. The mother-in-law likes Obama for 2008. I guess the mother-in-law won’t be babysitting the families many babies or coming over for Thanksgiving.

AND,

We also learned that Palin hired a Washington lobbying firm to save the bridge to nowhere, and other projects. The bridge to' you know, the one she now says she always opposed? And she got $27 milllion for her tiny hometown when she was mayor, using the earmarks that she condemns now.

Which is scarier: that McCain nominated Palin because he didn’t even know all the dirt on her? Or that he DID know, and dumped her on us anyway?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:04 PM

She just said, "Defeat means death" There we go...fear mongering the citizenry. TYPICAL GOP tactic.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:05 PM

Well, looks like I've slammed dunked you again tonight. What am I now 5 and 0? I've lost count *giggle*

OMG and a cliched "God Bless American" Ohh she's good. I can't wait until she "really" starts campaigning, in front of NON fans. *giggle*

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:10 PM

she did a pretty good job. it will be tough for her in a debate with Biden. she played the bulldog role that Biden played for the dems. she did better than i expected. she is prety tough. parts seemed too canned but delivery was generally good. i suspect McCain will actually get a boost from her. i actually will look forward to the debates.

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:15 PM

Chin up, and sleep it off. You can always TRY again tomorrow. LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:19 PM

are you still talking?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:20 PM

The question is....why are YOU still ranting....Jesus man, give it a break. How the hell old are you?

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:24 PM

Hmmm...lots of new avatars and posters in the forum. Must have something to do with Just Plain Ignorant. *giggle*

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:26 PM

Nope, you've got that all wrapped up yourself. Anyway, shouldn't you be in bed? Kindergarten starts pretty darn early.

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:28 PM

opinion,

give me your three top concerns for the country in this election cycle. anyone else can answer for that matter just trying to get a more engaging debate going before going to bed.

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:29 PM

opinion,

the fake has a period behind it. You are dealing with a tool.

-- Posted by cptfa on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:40 PM

ummm...Does that mean Palin is taking her kids out of school for the next...what?...2+ months?

Rick, according to most reports, Palin was not McCain's pick. Seems there were threats to disrupt the convention if he'd picked a pro-choice, which apparently was where he was leaning.

Laughing over your post, Theorist...Not sure adultry in politics should be mentioned just now. Guess because it's been so long ago, people have forgotten the first Mrs. McCain, bless her heart. At least Mrs. Edwards & Mrs. Clinton were in good health when their husbands cheated on them. Hope you men don't take offense, but IMHO, men who cheat on their wives are really, really low, and lacking in good judgment. Want someone else? Then get divorced first, for Pete's sake!

Uh oh...Where did I read a few days ago that Palin has been against 'alternative fuels,' including wind power? Maybe I misread that...? No, I'm pretty sure I didn't.

Good grief, get real! As Pops & I were discussing, I've read some good things she's done--and at least that many bad things she's done. It's one thing to be 'for' or 'against' a candidate, but Lord, at least be sensible enough to see and admit the bad with the good. I take that back...be honest enough, in this case. Okay, from me, some more of the bad--since she already seems to have superior support from others:

Palin was not always the fiscal watchdog she has since boasted of being. In her second term as mayor, she pushed for a half-cent raise in the local sales tax to pay for a $15 million sports complex. The complex is popular and a junior league hockey team plays there now, but the city recently had to pay more than $1.3 million to settle an ownership dispute over the site.

Palin fired Ms. Emmons (the librarian) shortly after taking office but changed course after residents made a strong show of support.

Irrelevent perhaps, except that the pregnant daughter is apparently newsworthy, and the family is praised as rather wholesome & appealing: Bristol's alleged boy friend's MySpace has been shut down. On it: "I'm a f***ing redneck," and that if anyone 'messes' with him, "I'll kick ***." "I don't want kids." SIGH

Darn...bad memory for 'facts,' but another website was shut down since the VP nomination...I'll try to find it later for all you fact-mongers. LOL

shortwhite: IMO, Biden will probably do the same with Palin that Obama noticeably did with Clinton--play nice, because otherwise people will say he's picking on her just because she's a woman. Incidentally, Palin had been sequestered (last I read was 'undisclosed location') while she was being prepped. She's going to have a LOT of learning to do, since being a pretty face and a female may not be enough when the debates start. Or...Did I see that they had only scheduled ONE debate? Surely not.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:49 PM

Just Me

The person who stole your name just put a period after your name to make it unique. It happens here all the time but we can tell the difference. The paper is too incompetent to alleviate this problem.

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:51 PM

opinion,

mine are

1. energy independence

2. healthcare reform

3. free trade

now the reason i bring this up is to get an idea what is important to others. i think becoming energy independent helps tremendously with national defense. i agree that national defense is continuously the #1 priority of the federal government. however how that is carried out is a source of debate. perhaps for another day but i am sure we could go round and round on that one.

i have watched more of the RNC than i did the DNC (mostly because in one week the Cardinals have fallen from playoff contention). this forum can be intersting during the debates if posters chose it to be so.

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:52 PM

I guess I like Bald Dude better...LOL...

The economy

Bringing our troops home

Alternative fuels/vehicles

Three isn't really enough for me!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:56 PM

Oh no you don't, don't go blaming me for your problems.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:57 PM

After hearing Sarah Palin's speech I think we will have a true 'Smith and Wesson' going to DC. giggles

-- Posted by BABE on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:58 PM

opinion,

i don't have to pay attention to your name. i can tell who you are by your posts not by your name. anyways i am going to bed. got to get up early and work out and go to work. maybe i will have time to post tomorrow or it may be another day.

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:58 PM

national defense

energy

reduce government spending - yeah I know, when h.e.l.l freezes, but a guy can dream!

-- Posted by cptfa on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 12:00 AM

Bringing our troops home

The economy

healthcare

Alternative fuels/vehicles

Do these in succeeding order. 1, 2, 3, 4, first 100 days.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 12:00 AM

Sarah can sure read a speech well. Lots of "cute" stuff. I hope she will be our next president, because I see she is the real thing. I mean if that's all it takes.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 12:02 AM

Opinion (no period)

Did the internet safety legislation include provisions for prosecution of SO indentity theft?

-- Posted by cptfa on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 12:05 AM

What in the world do you mean you can't see??

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 12:07 AM

I'm outta here. Things are getting a little..wierd. Night folks!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 12:09 AM

What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick. Sarah Palin quote.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 12:33 AM

82allamerican, reduce government spending? Are you kidding? Oh, I see you are. Well, wouldn't that be part of fixing the economy, or not? Somehow, I guess the shame & blame falls upon us...for not insisting that our government work within a budget, like families have to do.

We're still in Bosnia? Oh! We're everywhere taking care of everyone and everything...except here. Sorry.

Just, it's a 12-year-old testing out his amazing computer skills. You know how bored these adolescents get, before they get a grasp on reality. Bet his mommy doesn't know he's not in bed!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 12:34 AM

Hey, Just, (as well as others who are asleep now)...All those resolutions posted today remind me of what I've said for about 30 years now: Our politicians should be part-time employees. Might get down to the nitty-gritty if they only had time for actual governmental work that might benefit the country. Save us a little money in salaries and retirements, too, maybe?

Good night!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 12:40 AM

Amen Guru, and cut their pay while your at it!!!

-- Posted by cptfa on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 12:42 AM

I can't wait for November. At least I get a small break from the constant bickering between the two party supports.

Obama '08, Oh yeah!

-- Posted by The Captain on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 2:12 AM


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