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Speak Out 8/28/08

Thursday, August 28, 2008

Pro-choice VP candidate

MCCAIN WILL have my vote more than ever if he picks a pro-choice candidate. In fact, that's what I have against McCain now is his pro-life stand. I don't know if it's enough to keep me from voting for him but it certainly is a concern of mine. As a 50-year-old woman, I just want a pro-choice president but that won't be the only issue I vote on.

Bush did tough job

WHAT IS the caller talking about, Armageddon, Bush speeding things up? Ridiculous. If you're going to comment politically, leave the Bible out of it because it really has no place in a serious, political discussion. Russia's been brewing for a long time to assert itself so that's not Bush's fault. North Korea progress has been made. Kim no longer thinks he has to have his nuclear facility. Somewhere the war against terrorism has to be fought and as a sign off I-55 says, "it's better it was fought off American soil." Kudos to President Bush. He had a tough job, he did it and we don't need callers belittling what he has done. I'm glad he was my president when terrorism hit because he was strong enough to say, "this will not be tolerated."

Road rage in Jackson

I WITNESSED my first road rage in Jackson on Saturday. I was sitting down at 101 waiting to get out on the highway and a lady in a pickup had stopped with her flasher to turn into the 101 and some guy in a beige sport utility vehicle pulled up behind her and he was blowing, laying down on the horn and waving his arms like he had lost it. He just went bananas. Finally the lady got to turn on in, but the guy sitting next to me said, "that must be the soccer pop the way he's carrying on." The guy needs help.

Gambling a problem

THE CALLER'S all wet that says casino gambling's OK because it's the elderly who do it. Well, if you read Dear Abby from time to time, you know it is a problem and people don't need grandma coming to them for money because she spent it all on gambling. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because there's bingo and lotto doesn't mean we have to even complicate it further by having casinos. And perhaps it was wrong to have lottos in the first place because it does take money away from legitimate businesses like stores, restaurants, etc.

Biden a good choice

I AM so pleased that Obama selected Joe Biden as his running mate. I am tired of Bush's ignorance and may I add, the Limbaugh brothers. I want the servicemen to come home. I realize it can't be done tomorrow but I pray very soon. It is so sad that our country has had to put up with what it has the past eight years. I have lived to see the late President Roosevelt in office who was great along with Kennedy, Truman and Clinton. I met Nixon and his wife, Pat, and was not impressed with him. I was very much disappointed that Robert Kennedy never had a chance to serve as president. He would have definitely changed the United States. Please vote Democrat when you go to the polls. I want the best for my grandchildren and great-grandchildren and everyone else's.

A slap to Hillary

BARACK OBAMA said that in selecting a vice presidential running mate, he wanted someone that would challenge his own thinking. Since Hillary was doing exactly that throughout the primary and almost half of the Democratic voters supported her, then is it not a slap in the face to her and her supporters by selecting anyone else?

Raise the drinking age

RAISING THE legal drinking age to 25 is a fantastic idea. Alcohol being a mind altering substance that destroys brain cells, waiting until the brain is fully developed couldn't hurt.

Bus suggestion

There is a handicapped student who lives on William Street, on a corner. The bus stops and it blocks traffic on William Street at about 8:20 every morning when people are trying to get to work, right there on the corner. All the bus driver has to do is turn the corner and pick the student up on the side street which is actually where the driveway and the walk comes out. Instead, the parent pushes down the driveway, up to the corner and around to the bus and the traffic is blocked. This needs to be fixed. Bus, turn the corner, pick them up at the driveway on the side street. Thank you.

SEMO Fair overcharging

ACCORDING TO Tipoff magazine, there are several events with free admission and free parking such as the annual Popeye picnic, East Perry Fair, Bollinger County Harvest Days, Jackson Homecomers, and Big Oak State Park Living History Days. However, SEMO District Fair is another story. Admission fee of $4 for adults and children over 12 is ridiculous. The free attractions listed on the back of the pamphlet are free if you have to pay $4 to get into fairground. Mayor Knudtson, city officials and fair board apparently have no clue or, better yet, do not care about our failing economy. I'm sure eats, drinks, games, etc., are higher this year also. The average family cannot afford these prices. It's about time Cape Girardeau takes a lesson from other communities and drops admission and parking charges. Have heart and you may find more fun for the family with less financial burden.

Permit not right

I DON'T think it's right of Springfield, Mo., to make you get a permit to give away a puppy. It just seems like only businesses get to get ahead and you can no longer help your fellow man by giving them a free puppy or kitten because there's always someone got their hand out wanting to make a profit off you whether it's the local government making you get a permit or the business industry.

Dog returns home

I WANT to say thank you to the guy that found our dog up here at the Hanover Lutheran Church and took him to the Humane Society on Aug. 25. I picked him up, brought him home, and the children surely do appreciate it. Thank you again.

Doesn't cost a penny

I KEEP seeing these people on TV, part of their ad is, this didn't cost me a penny. It cost somebody. They don't care if somebody else paid for their stuff, they just want it free. Does that make things great? Somebody has to pay.

Following the party line

WAY TOO many people are falling for the Republican Party line of blaming the Democrats for high gas prices because they won't allow offshore drilling. That's garbage. Oil companies already have leases for land that they could be drilling on right now; they just won't.

What about seniors?

HAS ANYONE out there heard either of the candidates for president say anything about the senior citizens? If you have, please call Speak Out. I haven't.

Campaign or advertising?

AS I read about Rock Finch deciding to run for county commissioner as an independent, I got down through the article and it sounds to me like he's running an advertising campaign for his insurance consulting company. I'd have to think twice before I'd vote for this guy.

Use your ashtray

I JUST wanted to thank the lady who threw the cigarette out into my driveway as she drove by on 72 in the long line of construction. I really appreciate that. Next time, there is an ashtray in your car. Use it instead of using my driveway as my ashtray. People need to learn some consideration for other people's property.

Another lane needed

I JUST have a question for MoDOT. At the Cape Girardeau-Jackson exit, if you're going northbound and you get off at that exit, there's two lanes to get into. If you're going southbound, there's only one lane. Why is that? I mean, there's just as much traffic going either way. I think if you're coming from Perryville down to Cape Girardeau and get off at that exit, they should have that a little wider and have two lanes there.

Disrespect to Hillary?

HILLARY CLINTON has been a Democrat her entire life and loves the party and believes in it. Her supporters who say they will vote for McCain are stabbing her in the back and shooting themselves in the foot.

Gas prices

I WAS wondering, can someone explain to me why gasoline is $3.33 a gallon in Perryville and $3.29 a gallon in Festus? My best guess is, there's a little bit of the Cape Girardeau County price gouging going on. Someone needs to look into this.

An insult to gamblers

WHY WOULD a Speak Out caller think a casino in Cape Girardeau would bring in more drunken drivers and thieves? Does that person think only drunks and thieves go to casinos? I am insulted. That is so ridiculous.

Tired of tax increases

IT MAKES me sick that Cape School District is going to raise our property taxes again. The school district fails year after year regarding No Child Left Behind. What really makes me sick is paying over $41,000 for a sound system at the junior high. Why not take the proceeds for the musicals there to pay for the sound system and use the $41,000 for better teaching?

Texting during funeral

I WENT to a funeral in Cape Girardeau this week and the man across the aisle from me was text messaging all during the service at the church. I guess there isn't even any respect to the dead when it comes to cell phones and text messaging. I think this was very, very tacky.

Excited about fair

WELL, IT'S hard to believe that the SEMO District Fair is just right around the corner. I get excited thinking about the draft car shows and classes coming up. I'm sure that as usual our local exhibiters, the Mangels family of Oak Ridge will do well in this tough competition with their outstanding showmanship and expert riding. But it's classes. If you want to share in this excitement, come and watch the show and arrive early if you want a good view of the events.

Absolute horror

YOU WANT a Cold War movie that will scare the living tar out of you, get on YouTube and type in "threads" or the "war game," and watch either one of those. Absolute horror.


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Read "Bush did tough job" above

Just goes to prove my axiom that a goodly portion of Americans are just plain stupid. Not ignorant, not uninformed, but just plain old stupid.

Bush attacked two nations, Iraq, and Afghanistan, without provocation, without cause, without reason, and this Speak Out caller says that she is glad and that Bush had a tough job. ****, stupid, stupid, stupid. Can't say it enough. STUPID. She is entitled to her opinion, but she shor'is STUPID. Sad to say, she is not alone in her stupidity.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 3:20 AM

"Tired of tax increases"

This is a Republican ran town. If you don't like hefty tax increases then vote for changes on that school board, for Mayor, and for City Council. The GOP is known as teh Gas and Oil Party, but they might as well be known as Republitaxans. You may think that you are a Republican, but you really are not. At least, you are not what the Republican Party has become today. They are the ones who spend our tax money like it is water. They mistakenly believe that there will always be plenty of it for them to waste.

$41,000 for a sound system at the Junior High. Ridiculous. $34,000 for a queer new slogan for Cape Girardeau, "Where the River Turns a Thousand Tails." About that same amount paid to a "consulting" firm in St. Louis to determine how they should spend the tax money that we all voted for wage increases for our Police Department. Why would the Republicans on the City Council send about $34,000 for a questionalbe,in my opinion, study to determing HOW TO SPEND the money that we voted for POLICE WAGES? What the hell is going on in this city? Taxation, p*** poor representation, is the pathway to real CHANGE. Mor like revolution. It is time to effect change upon the Cape Girardeau School Board and the Cape Girardeau City Council.

We have a Mayor who is all jazzed up about "branding" this city, instead of bettering this city for everyone, instead of just a few cronies. It is time that we "branded" him and turned him out to pasture for stud.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 3:33 AM

"SEMO Fair overcharging"

Many communities no longer have a fair. While I am the first to get in line to protest outrageous charges, that charge of $4.00 for admission to the SEMO District Fair is a bargain in my opinion.

Been to Six Flags lately? Price of admission at our two area water parks are way more than $4.00.

Yes, with the Bush governments control of our economy and with the help of Republicans in Congress, prices are way up. Your jobs are gone, yet, if the American Families Association tells you to vote for a Republican, you will do so. You are cutting your own throat. You have the power to change. You have the power to elect a Congessman, Joe Allen, who, unlike the our current congresswoman, Joann Emerson, who has NEVER LIVED IN THE DISTRICT, will vote to get rid of the Enron Loophole passed by the Republican Congress in 2002, that lets these Oil Companies and Wall Street fat cats go to foreign countries and gamble on the future price of oil.

If Congress would repeal the Enron Loophole, passed by the Republican Congress in 2002, the price of oil would drop in half within a month. That is according to the man who oversaw the various traders to to make sure that they didn't turn our market into a wild west rodeo and gambling casino. By going to uncontrolled foreign markets where there is NO OVERSIGHT, these fat cats can artificially drive up the price of oil and make lots and lots of money.

So, if you want lower food prices, if you want gas to drop in half, if you want to go after mortgage companies who cheated millions of Americans, then think long and hard before you vote for Joann Emerson again. She never lived here. She has at least three houses. A mansion in D.C., a gorgeous home in St. Louis, and another great home at the Lake of the Ozarks. She has no home, no real home in this district.

Joann Emerson voted for every trade plus for Communsit China. Joann Emerson votes to fund a govenment agency, OPIC, the Overseas Private Investment Corporation. If yo think that you are having it tough, why not tell Joann Emerson that she should stop funding OPIC. They give corporations tax money to move their factory from Missouri to Mexico, Communist China, or, Communist Vietnam. How do you feel about paying to advertise McDonald hamburges in Japan, or, in China? Joann Emerson thinks it is just fine. YOU paying for the advertising of McDonalds and a lot of other advertising in China, and elsewhere is just another one of the great corporate benefits from your tax dollars from Joann Emersons favorite government agency, OPIC.

If you want change, if you want the jobs back, you are going to have to change the way that YOU VOTE.

Joe Allen is a prosecuting attorney from Rock A Way Beach, MO. I met him, he is pro-life 100%, and 100% no compromise pro gun. He knows that you and I live in the 12th POOREST CONGRESSIONAL DISTICT in the nation. He knows that we need to get this country back on track, before thousands more in our district, and millions in America know suffering like this nation has never seen.

Vote for Joe Allen for Congres, and for Linda Sanders to represent us in the Missouri Senate. Jason Crowell has been looking after his own interests and that of the globalists.

If I could just tell how Jason Crowell, as our Senator in Jeff City, did to farmers, and rural farm families by pushing a rural water meter bill back in 2005, NONE of them would vote for him. Jason doesn't like to talk about that one. Let me say that he was very "untruthful" with me on that one. That is when he lost my support, when he lied to me about the rural families water meter bill.

So, I am voting for Linda Sanders for Missouri Senate to represent the southeast Missouri region. It's time for change in Jeff City, too.

Republican lies and scandals from Nathan Cooper, Rod Jetton, and Jason Cowell have forced me to reconsider my political party preference for local elections.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 3:54 AM

SLEAZY SMOKE-FILLED,BACK ROOM POLITICS

Reject the old smoke-filled, back room "snooker'em" politics of the Cape Girardeau County Commission.

It's time for real change in Cape Girardeau County politics, and the first change we should make is that of the Cape County Commission.

Jay Purcell, our current District 2 Commissioner deserves our support. It isn't an easy road, when you expose the good ole boy politics, but Jay has done it. No one would believe him, if he didn't have it on tape, because no one likes to believe ill of those whom they may know, or, like.

There it is, on tape, you can hear for yourself how these sleazy politicians in Jackson, who claim to represent our interest, really feel about us. Presiding Commissioner, Jones seems to me, in my opinion, to be telling Purcell to "quite down, dummy up, you are making a lot of money, don't rock the boat and spoil it for the rest of us." At least, that is the gist of what I have heard so far of the recordings.

Now, is that the kind of government that we want? Do we want alleged good ole boys, alleged slicksters, and alleged tricksters representing us?

The folks in their districts will have to make up their minds how they are going to vote. As for the 2nd District, I am voting for my old 3rd Ward City Counilmember, Jay Purcell for 2nd District Commissioner. Those who expose evil should not be punished, they should be treated like gold, or, at least rewarded with re-election.

Just my opinion. Nothing more.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:09 AM

good morning everyone

Permit not right: how would Springfield , Mo. know

that u gave away a puppy ? ...seems like an easy

one to beat to me ....

Cardinals 5 , Brewers 3

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 6:21 AM

..i don't hurt weak or defenseless animals BUT

this disgruntled mouse has got to go ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 6:29 AM

morning Me'Lange

...all of those numbers make my head hurt...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 7:02 AM

Good Morning Folks,

No jokes today, After last nights attacks on John McCain at the DNC I can't think of anything funny.

BUT!!

I can remind you of a few things, This has been around for awhile but it's all true. How quickly you forget!!

From Senator John Glenn

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January. In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in

the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq

When some claim that President Bush shouldn't have started this war, tell them the following

FDR (DEMOCRAT) led us into World War II.

Germany never attacked us; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...

an average of 112,500 per year

Truman (DEMOCRAT) finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From

1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ... an average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy (DEMOCRAT) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.

Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson (DEMOCRAT) turned Vietnam into a quagmire.

From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ... an average of 5,800 per year

Clinton (DEMOCRAT) went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple

occasions.

This one is a fact that makes me mad as hell

In the years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled

al-Qaeda, put nuclear inspectors in Libya , Iran , and, North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. And the Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking.

But Wait, There's more.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno (DEMOCRAT) to take the Branch Dravidian compound.

That was a 51-day operation

We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton (DEMOCRAT)

to find the Rose law firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it

took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military morale is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.

But Wait .......There's more!

JOHN GLENN (on the Senate floor - January 26, 2004)

Some people still don't understand why military personnel

do what they do for a living. This exchange between

Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum

is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive

impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one

man's explanation of why men and women in the armed

services do what they do for a living.

This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military.

Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):

'How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?'

Senator Glenn (D-Ohio): 'I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank.'

'I ask you to go with me, as I went the other day ... to a veteran's hospital and look those men .... With their mangled bodies ... in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job!

You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee ... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DAD'S didn't hold a job.

You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags. You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you have the gall to tell ME that those people didn't have a job?

What about Metzenbaum?'

For those who don't remember During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA.

Now he's a Senator!

If you can read this, thank a teacher.

If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.

It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 7:39 AM

I want to apologize in advance for the handicapped person that is causing a traffic backlog, I'm sure that's what he or she meant to do in his or her life is make it inconvenient for someone to get to work or whatever. Simple solution, take another street or leave 5 minutes earlier, or is too much for your simple mind to comprehend????

-- Posted by changedname on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 7:54 AM

Good Morning everyone,

wow someone has been very busy this morning already.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 8:02 AM

Robert Goodbody

Insults about some one's intelligence are unnecessary and could reflect your own!!

Toss that around in that melon on top of your shoulders!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 8:19 AM

OK I feel better now!!

Here is a cute one!

An Englishman, an Irishman, a Scotsman, an Aussie, an Abo, a Yank, an

African, an elephant, a refrigerator, two blondes, a homosexual, three

social workers, a Jew, a crocodile and a kiwi all walked into a bar.

The bartender turned around and said, "Is this some kind of a joke?"

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 8:24 AM

To Silent Bob-

Thanks! But the hard core dim-wits will either quit reading half way down or fall back on their conspiracy theories.

Only two forces have ever offered to die for you: Jesus Christ died for your soul , The American Soldier died for your Freedom.

-- Posted by hotshot202 on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 8:25 AM

hotshot

I agree totally with the last part of your posting. As for the 1st part, I just get so tired of reading about alot of the presidental candidates and the conspriacy theories, that I am skipping over them.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 8:33 AM

...Gas prices may be higher or lower in different

towns such as Perryville and Festus due to the

taxes in those towns ...

go to Illinios if u want to see HIGH taxed gas

prices ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 8:47 AM

You should see the prices in CA. At least about a month ago they were alot higher there than Mo.

Tiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 8:50 AM

Pro-choice VP candidate: Yes, and in the Process he'll destroy the values and principle of the current GOP. Go for it John. The republicans are just one step away from Liberalism as it is.

Bush did tough job: ?? Are you kidding? Any tougher that FDR? Truman? stop whining. The Bible? Hmmm...wasn't that Bush's stance? Compassionate Conservatism? Didn't he get voted in by the religous right? Wow...what a spit into the face of those people.

Road rage in Jackson: Let me guess, you had a Cape Central Tigers bumper sticker on your car?

Gambling a problem: Seriously...this is another jokster....right?

Biden a good choice: A-men!

A slap to Hillary: Oh stop spreading false propaganda.

Raise the drinking age: Maybe we should wait until these brains are fully developed before to send them off to war to operate $10 million dollar tanks and nuclear weapons that could kill half the world then??.

Bus suggestion: Oh good grief, maybe you should leave a little earlier then?

SEMO Fair overcharging: First of all, the SEMO District Fair is a "DISTRICT" fair, not a hometown small budget affair. Additionally it receives NO financial support from the city. Check out their budget. Also, try taking your kids to Grants Farm or some equivalent activities that the fair alots for and compare the pricing. You have great food CHEAP if you go to the Lutheran Men's Shelter or the 4-H Food Shelter. Take your kids to the Fair, and allow them to learn something educational. Leave the ipods, and cellphones at home.

http://semofair.com/

Permit not right: Another blow to humanity.

Dog returns home: Cheers!

Doesn't cost a penny:I bet the advertising costs!

Following the party line: Can;t fight stupid.

What about seniors?: Yes, McCain wants to take away their social security.

Campaign or advertising?: Hi Jay!

Use your ashtray: Off with her head!

Another lane needed : More taxes.

Disrespect to Hillary?: Amen, plain ole crazy thought. They must have never have been democrats to begin with.

Gas prices. Easy...John McCain and George Bush.

An insult to gamblers: Stupidity.

Tired of tax increases: Tuff!

Texting during funeral: Distastful

Excited about fair: Me too!

Absolute horror: Yep

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 8:57 AM

i will be glad when November rolls around and

this election is over ...all it's done has caused

constant bickering/name calling/accusations , e.i. ...

at this point of time , i could care less who wins ,

McCain or Obama , Rip or Dim ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:06 AM

Rick,

I agree with you, I'll be glad when it's done also, just wish we had better choices.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:11 AM

"McCain's selection process has been conducted mostly in secret, but officials said he was considering one or more candidates who support abortion rights. The disclosure set off a fracas on the right wing, with talk-show host Rush Limbaugh saying such a selection would destroy the party."

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:13 AM

...sigh...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:16 AM

The caller complaining about the handicapped being picked up. Is this the only street in town you can go down? No. BUT this is probably the only bus that can pick up this person. I'm sure if you were the handicapped person being picked up you would not complain.

Springfield-Agree Rick how would anyone know you were giving it away. Unless the city is paying someone to monitor the want adds. Next question is it ok to sell them then-say for .05

-- Posted by outnabout on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:21 AM

About the caller complaining about the handicapped person, I have a cousin who is handicapped, and you want to make things as easy as possible for them. I think that person who called in is being a little selfish, IMO. Others are right, Cape is a big enough place there are other streets to use or leave earlier to go to work.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:24 AM

bob wrote

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January. In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in

the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq

Does that include Iraqi's or are they not considered combat related killings?

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:31 AM

Today is Day 4 of the Democratic National Convention.

Total SEMissourian coverage to date: still zero.

Headlines more important to the Missourian than the nomination of a major candidate for President of the United States: Chaffee football, Neal Boyd, and a restaurant that used to be a gas station.

-- Posted by FriendO on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:43 AM

Silent Bob,

I actually read your novel and could respond I disagree or agree to several of your points.

I am posting now because I am not sure of your comment here.

"It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!"

Who are you blaming?

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:47 AM

opinion,

playing uno, that is funny!

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:54 AM

SWBG:

Of course Iraqi citizens don't count - if they did, then that contrived piece of nonsense wouldn't be effective anymore.

Another question: which "January" are they referring to? We've been at war for 5 Januaries now.

Just more crap from another loser who believes anything that comes through his inbox. Do us all a favor bob, if you want to be a bonehead and think that Sen. Glenn actually sat down and wrote that nonsense go ahead, but don't reproduce the lie for everyone else.

-- Posted by FriendO on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:55 AM

Just You and opinions

I posted "nothing" twice to aid you with your reading comprehension. I have noticed you have "selective reading". When you are willing to listen as well as spew, then we can debate. I need to work now, be back later for your attack.

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:57 AM

About the Casino!!

I don't care about the statistics. Cape is not a good place by far and I really don't think a Casino will hurt the city anymore. Here lately all I hear is about Cape or Jackson, is break ins, shootings, criminal stuff, etc. I seriously doubt a Casino will bring in more crime. I still say put it on the IL side. There's plenty of empty land over there and there's no limit on how much money you can lose. Isn't that another issue Missourians have. If Cape or East Cape would put in a Casino, I for one would be happy because I wouldn't have to travel to Tunica or St. Louis.

-- Posted by momofgirls on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:59 AM

...hmmm , someone's a bore and a bully...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 10:13 AM

citygirl,

Cape/Jackson is a good place to live and raise a family. Crime is everywhere and always has been. However I agree that a Casino in Cape would only enhance and not detract from downtown. BTW we don't want it in Illinois because the vast majority of money would come from the Missouri side into Illinois coffers.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 10:20 AM

Just me

..wow , i wasn't referring to u ! there are others

in the forum , dontcha know . i'm no good at numbers

and stats and crap like that -- i'm just a dumb ol'

stump kickin' country boy..

sorry again if u thought u were a bore and a bully ..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 10:25 AM

Just opinionated....

I do work, and don't have the luxury of sitting here for long periods of time!

I asked you yesterday to find fault with my earlier posts with Hilleco.....you never responded. Is this because you didn't find fault? didn't find posts? didn't comprehend?

Anyway....you tell me...

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 10:56 AM

You people, please keep your posts to less than 20 pages,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no more ranting, if its a long post,,,I skip the whole frigging thing.

-- Posted by changedname on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 11:10 AM

Dexterite,

I don't like long postings either, but everyone has the right to state their opinion.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 11:14 AM

dexterite

...i agree..it shouldn't take an essay to state

one's opinion ...shoot on by them like i do!

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 11:19 AM

First, the city of Cape is not involved with the fair. Thank God. Govenment rarely gets anything done right or is fiscally responsible. The fair actually pays the city for services such as fire and police, table and chair rentals, water and electric utilities, etc. The fair is not supported by any public revenue but must operate responsibly at a profit to fund future fairs, park improvements, and more. Government aid to fairs was discontinued years ago by the Missouri State Legislature. Your local fair is produced solely by people that volunteer countless hours and resources, working year round to provide you with entertainment ONLY available at the fair. The fair, the carnival, the vendors, the entertainers, concessionaires, the commercial vendors, etc. are perhaps more aware than the average family of rising costs that effect us all. Consider the fuel costs the carnival has just to move their equipment. It takes over 50 gallons per hour of $4 plus diesel fuel just to operate the electric generators that power the midway and their living quarters. Consider the food cost increases plus the added fuel costs for the food vendors that make their living traveling to fairs. The "free" entertainment is NOT free for the fair but gladly brought to you even at an increased cost at the same $4 admission. Even with these cost increases, the fair has not raised admission rates, the carnival has maintained the same prices, and there is a first class grandstand concert available at only $20 a ticket. The fair board,its volunteers, the carnival, the vendors, and every one involved make a special effor to ensure the fair is a great value and venue for agriculture education and entertainment. They do it not because they have to, but because they enjoy seeing the smiles on the children, young and old, that can't wait to get to the fair. If you don't believe the SEMO Fair is not good entertainment value, then get in your Escalade, go get your cigarettes and beer, go home, and yell at all your kids that complain there is nothing to do. We will have fun without you.

-- Posted by jadip on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 11:21 AM

I know it's risky, but I've come up with something called "The Nader Doctrine".

Basically I am betting that every Nader vote takes away a vote from Obama, keeping him out of the White House.

That being said, those who vote for Nader can have a clean conscience knowing that we are not responsible for whatever McCain might do once he gets there.

Besides, it shakes up the two - party monopoly.

I don't agree with alot of Nader's ideas, but he does have several I do agree with:

http://www.votenader.org

He's polling from 6-8% in several states and as an independent at that!

-- Posted by mobushwhacker on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 11:27 AM

Lordy 'twiggy', I come to Texas often and it doesnt take a Texan 20 pages to give an opinion,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lol................I come to Gilmer and Atlanta. Have a good day. Tell Aggie hello-----Go Aggies.

-- Posted by changedname on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 12:12 PM

Dex,

LOL sure will you have a good day also.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 12:20 PM

Ok opinionman,

I said "If you back up your statements with truth and facts....why do you go by "just me and my opinion"?

Hmmmmmmmmm...........

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Aug 27, 2008, 9:19 pm

Simple question. You then started with the one line zinger comments which you seem to be stuck on. From there I countered with, read some of my earlier posts which I gather you did not comprehend.

Now....are you following me? Because this is wasting alot of time, which is valuable....

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 12:28 PM

a slap to Hillary

I think the Republicans will pick up votes from these PUMAs.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 12:32 PM

bus suggestion

Change your route if you dislike the slight inconvenience of waiting for a handicapped child to board a school bus.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM

fair overcharging

I agree. I think we should have free parking and free admission for everyone instead of giving out free passes to half the people there.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 12:43 PM

Long Posts,

I like some of the long posts if they are really the posters own words rather than "cut and paste", some ideas or positions take some time to adequately lay out a position and the supporting information. Now if it just a long winded "tirade" void of reason or facts, I will skip over it.

I also appreciate some of the one liners and "zingers" even if I don't agree; sometimes you just gotta laugh.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 12:44 PM

Long Posts,

I like some of the long posts if they are really the posters own words rather than "cut and paste", some ideas or positions take some time to adequately lay out a position and the supporting information. Now if it just a long winded "tirade" void of reason or facts, I will skip over it.

I also appreciate some of the one liners and "zingers" even if I don't agree; sometimes you just gotta laugh.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 12:44 PM

Did I mention I hate it when people double post...

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 12:45 PM

Gas Prices

Was amazed Sunday to see that gas on I-55 from Perryville on north was between $3.28-$3.33. So, thought the same thing--What's going on in the Cape area that gas prices are so much higher? No doubt there's a 'good' explanation, such as transportation costs, but that wouldn't explain why, in the past, gas was always higher on the Interstates.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 12:56 PM

WOW you need to read this: Type under search in semo.

Proposed beer, wine ordinance stirs debate in Marble Hill

-- Posted by Service1 on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 12:58 PM

opinion,

I don't disagree with your comment necessarily about one liners. We have become a country of one liners and sound bites. Like the one about high gas prices being the democrats fault because they have blocked off shore oil drilling.

Now you and I know that is a sound bite and the issue with high gas prices is inherently more complex than that. They do come from both sides of the political spectrum. Either side could come up with endless one liners. Unfortunately as a nation we have short attention spans. Perhaps instead of fluoride in the water maybe some Ritalin?

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 1:29 PM

jadip

Why should the fair pay the city for police and fire protection? For that matter, why does the city get any revenue from table rentals or electricity? All vendors pay a hefty fee to show and sell their goods. The carnival is a separate business. I would love to see an accounting of how the fair spends the revenue in dollar amounts.

If the fair needs so much money to run successfully then charge a dollar a head for everyone and not give out free passes like candy.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 1:37 PM

g-mom

I too have noticed that the gas going north is substantially lower than in Cape. In past travels it has consistently been higher at Perryville (at least along the interstate) than in Cape.

So what are we to hypothesize about this? With absolutely no data to back this up my guess would be possibly the competition in Cape has decreased. Who owns most of the gas stations in Cape? A price is set and other stations follow suit because the profit is larger than if they increased volume. Just a guess.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 1:52 PM

G-Mom

I'm tickled that we're now talking about the lower gas prices. I guess we'll have to wait for a good old all out gas war by the stations. But you still won't get any green stamps. giggle

I've often wondered why there are no free standing full service gas stations anylonger. I know that the convience stores want one to get out and buy something while filling up. But I think a station offering oil checks, tire pressure checks, window washing etc would be successful as many folks would pay more for gas to get this service.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 1:54 PM

babe,

If such services were still valued then it would still be here. Unfortunately such things went the way of the Drive-In movies. Making money is the key. Volume is desired over customer satisfaction. I think few have experienced such things today and if someone in Cape tried to wash a window while at a gas station they might get shot.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 2:06 PM

jadip,

I appreciate your supportive information.

Babe,

Instead of flapping your trap constantly, why don't you volunteer at the SEMO District Fair, and find out PERSONALLY what goes into putting this event on. I'm sure ANY of the Fair Board Members would be glad to sit down with you personally and explain it all to you. I find it awfully disrespectful that those who ARE NOT born and raised around these parts have little concept of the significance of the SEMO District Fair. If you want to ruin and ridicule something, get the heck out of Cape and do it in your home town!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 2:07 PM

My favorite one liner. "Had enough? Vote Democrat!"

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 2:14 PM

"However, the whole 'you weren't bred here so you don't know thing' is not a very progressive statement, Doc."

I guess you don't know as much as you thought you did. And...I stand by the statement.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 2:23 PM

...what happehed to the Quaker Oat dude ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 2:24 PM

ohh...and considering it was an "outsider" that passed a law to ban farm animals in the City limits, I think have grounds to stand on.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 2:34 PM

"Mission Accomplished" ~ Bush

"In the 21st century nations don't invade other nations." ~ McCain

"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated." ~ McCain

"The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should. I've got Greenspan's book."~ McCain

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 2:42 PM

Just,

Here's your coveted gallup poll news! LOL

Headline: Gallup Daily: Obama Moves Ahead, 48% to 42%

Source: http://www.gallup.com/poll/109897/Gallup...

Just, I appreciate this. Without your vast knowledge, I would have NEVER of thought to use the old gallup poll against you every day Until November! LOL This is going to be sooo much fun.

Woo hoo! That's a 4% jump just since last night!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 2:49 PM

SWBG

I disagree with your comments on self service gas stations. There is a great market value on personal services now but Cape seems to be stalled with building new hotels and restaurants.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 2:49 PM

"However, the whole 'you weren't bred here so you don't know thing' is not a very progressive statement, Doc."

Sometimes, that is very important. I mean look at our U.S. Representative. Not born, nor bred here. Actually, never lived here previously but knew the area through association. I truly think she has a hard time representing the area when she has nothing at stake.....just my opinion. Kind of like someone representing another country in the olympics even though they don't live there. Wouldn't be right...

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 2:57 PM

Self Service Gas Station,

As the population ages, full service stations may be more in demand. I have more and more trouble getting out and pumping my own gas the older I get. I would gladly pay more for full service.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 3:04 PM

Red

Yes, I agree. And there is a market for single women who don't know how to do these things for themselves.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 3:11 PM

Babe,

Maybe even a few single men...

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 3:17 PM

Just-

Why did you not preface your list of statements on Iraq with the disclaimer that the intelligence reports that produced those comments were false, untrue, cooked, exaggerated, hyperbole, fabricated, and/or wrong?

and why are you talking about "leads" in polls? There's this thing called 'margin of error,' you see...

-- Posted by FriendO on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 3:19 PM

Just,

I still discount the polls. On the contrary my friend, it was you who was so resolute about the facts and precision of the Gallup poll, and how it was a true tell-tale of what was to come. You cooked it, now eat it.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 3:20 PM

If polls mean anything, which I seriously doubt, it is only for the day taken and only indicates how someone is "inclined" to vote that day. I don't know why we continue to pay for them.

As to "intelligence" all nations' "Intelligence Services" were wrong. It is all a moot point now as we are there and now we need to decide the best way to handle it no matter how p---- you are that we went to war. If you prove a point about the Genesis of this war will it really accomplish anything? No, we will still be there.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 3:31 PM

JUST,

Many folks here already know my stance on Iraq. As I have explained. I was living in DC on Sept. 11th. I lost friends in the Pentagon. Yep, I was mad, angry, and ready for revenge just like every other red blooded American. But...At that time, America was ready to make a landing strip out of the first crucible to lift it's head. Had you told us that Canada was behind it, no doubt we would have leveled it too.

The fact is, the citizens of America were mislead. Bush played upon the heated emotions of Americans. The truth was, we should have went to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Afganistan.(sp on all of those). Maybe Bush was mislead, but come on...once we regained our senses, it should have been obvious that Iraq wasn't the mastermind behind this. One of three things happened, Bush duked the country or Bush was duked himself, or we were all duked. Unfortunately, the truth of these types of matters are only revealed by the next decade of politicians.

Again, you don't know anything about "my politics", but you're learning. Iraq, yep I was originally for it! Yep, I thought we were taking their oil, Yep, I thought Mission Accomplished was Mission Accomplished. Now...we're just wasting lives, money, and time.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 3:31 PM

Theorist,

You have probably mentioned one of the most important subjects. Yes, what has Jo Anne done for Missourians since her appointment in 1996? I mean REALLY done. (excluding the 10 year bridge project that Memorializes her husband.)

12 years of service, what a waste. I think the biggest thing she has accomplished was passing a bill for a commemorative coin. Yeah...that really helped a lot of folks. Can she save the Delta Queen??

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 3:38 PM

Doc

Everyone knows your political stances even though you have reincarnated yourself with multiple nicknames. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 3:39 PM

JUST,

Please re-read this portion of said post:

"Just,

I still discount the polls."

-- Posted by The_Doctor on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 2:20 pm CDT

Stop playing the fool here. You started this with the polls, not me. I could really care less about them. They have been habitually inaccurate during this entire malay. Again, I could careless about them. But...if you want to continue to quote them, then I'll certainly oblige you.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 3:43 PM

BABE,

And how many times have you been resurrected from the banishment? I know of at least twice!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 3:45 PM

JUST,

Please define for me what our strategic goals in that region are?? Aside from Mission accomplished. Are you telling me that the entire plan for September 11th was orchestrated in Iraq?? Percentage wise, how many of the terrorists were from Iraq? Can you answer that?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 3:49 PM

How is my stance on Iraq have anything to do with DC? Additionally, since you know nothing of DC. It is a town of transients very few people that live in DC ARE actually from DC. We are talking Apples and Oranges here my friend. My stance on IRAQ has nothing to do with CHANGING DC hometown nostalgia.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 3:57 PM

And since you are dodge my questions by bringing up something irrelevant to the topic you introduced, I'll repost again.

JUST,

Please define for me what our strategic goals in that region are?? Aside from Mission accomplished. Are you telling me that the entire plan for September 11th was orchestrated in Iraq?? Percentage wise, how many of the terrorists were from Iraq? Can you answer that?

-- Posted by The_Doctor on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 2:49 pm CDT

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:00 PM

JUST PLAIN STUPID,

It's not about a goat idiot. Yep...you're definately a hometown newbie...aren't you.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:05 PM

Doc

I was banned once because of a barrage of complaints from those who use multiple idenities. I was reinstated under my same name. The other two name changes occurred during the paper's difficulties signing on. But I always chose a name that was almost the same as my origional as not to confuse folks.

Any more questions?

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:05 PM

Opinionated

So are you advocating that it's OK for caucasion males to not vote for someone different (i.e. a women or a black man) simply because they have a different background, they'd have a hard time associating with the white man, they don't share similar experiences, etc?

-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 2:09 pm CDT

See what I mean about comprehension.....I said you might want to rethink your vote since she is not from here, she has NO REAL INTEREST in this community, area etc. It is hard to REPRESENT someone if you don't really understand! READ

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:06 PM

....the thing with numbers and stats and data and

crap is they can be turned all around to look however

a person wants them to look ... they're meaningless

in a debate..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:07 PM

Any more questions?

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 3:05 pm CDT

Yeah...so if you were banned, why did you feel compelled to come back? Additionally, since you have been banned yourself, and still came back...why give flack to others that do the same? Kind of the pot calling the kettle black, if you ask me.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:09 PM

"the thing with numbers and stats and data and

crap is they can be turned all around to look however

a person wants them to look ... they're meaningless

in a debate.."

Complete agree. Why should I or anyone else invest in pages and pages of (non-cut paste) posts when the otherside will refute the facts anyway?? Heck, I posted Gallup poll numbers from the Gallup poll website last night. and Just My Opinion still tried to call me a liar initially.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:13 PM

Oh babe, you weren't reinstated. Good Grief, you do like to fabricate things don't you.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:15 PM

The_Doctor

..if ya don't use a fake name the boogie man will come

get ya ..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:20 PM

..if ya don't use a fake name the boogie man will come

get ya ..

??

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:22 PM

KCPO I believe is correct regarding polls. I believe the polls to be a reasonable reflection of today. One year ago likely the two running for president was Clinotn and Gulliani according to the polls so things can definitely change.

Opinion,

Our presence in Iraq has everything to do with our strategic goals for the region. It has little to do with terror and more to do with oil. Our nations primary goal should be to establish an effective, cohesive, and efficient energy policy to rid ourselves of foreign oil dependence. This is how to end the WOT. Surely you do not think we liberated Iraq because Saddam was a bad guy. There are bad guys all over Africa and other parts of the world that do not threaten our vital interest of dependence on oil.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:26 PM

our strategy is to end tyranny: Saddam is dead.

promote effective democracies: Is this really "OUR" call? Have we promoted an effective democracy in China and Saudi Arabia yet?

confront challenges: What challenges?

defeat a violent extremist ideology: Defeat an idea?? You need to watch V for Vendetta my friend.

Confront the rising military power of other states: China?

But the interesting point is...none of this really applies to Iraq any longer. Terrorists ARE NOT based out of Iraq. If they "still" ARE after several years and trillions of dollars later, then why did Bush say, "Mission Accomplished?"

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:29 PM

"Our presence in Iraq has everything to do with our strategic goals for the region. It has little to do with terror and more to do with oil. Our nations primary goal should be to establish an effective, cohesive, and efficient energy policy to rid ourselves of foreign oil dependence. This is how to end the WOT. Surely you do not think we liberated Iraq because Saddam was a bad guy. There are bad guys all over Africa and other parts of the world that do not threaten our vital interest of dependence on oil."

SWBG, This I "DO" agree with!

btw...are you the same person that posts as shortwhitebaldguy?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:35 PM

.........º¿º

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-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:36 PM

Ok JUST,

I'm going to turn this around on you for a bit.

Now..87% of the Country believes GWB is the worst President in the history of political science. That being said, What...would you like to see accomplished "overall" in the next four years? What concerns do YOU have that you believe should be address? WHAT is the most concerning factor that MUST be addressed immediately?

BTW...If it's the WAR ON TERRORISM, don't even bother. 90% of the Country disagrees with you on that.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:40 PM

I think one of my major problems is the use of this word "Terrorist" a faceless enemy. It's time to define the enemy and make a plan. The surge came too little too late. And if you think we're going to get that Iraq oil, it's wishful thinking. We've had "moderate" control of that Country since "Mission Accomplished" we should have been taking oil since that time. Meanwhile, Iraq is making money, and we're spending it.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:46 PM

Let's be honest, the only folks waivering on their decision is the "supposed" disenfranchised Clinton voters, and the disenfranchise Conservatives that still support Romney. Those folks are the ones waivering.

My mind has been made up for quite some time now....lol...2004. LOL~! As long as the Presidential candidate has a D behind his or her name, I'm voting for them!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:50 PM

90% of this country puts the War on Terror on the bottom of the list of NEEDS. Not disagree with it! There are MORE CRUCIAL things at hand to deal with...DUH like our economy. Can't fight ANY wars if the Country is completely broke!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:53 PM

We were talking Presidential polls! Not public opinion!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:55 PM

Just_Me_and_My_Opinion you're debating skills are deteriorating drastically. Now you've changed this to a debate of semantics. I refuse to engage stupid any longer.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 4:57 PM

btw...are you the same person that posts as shortwhitebaldguy?

yes I am. When the paper changed to this current forum I had difficulty signing in on my original perona shortwhitebaldguy so I had to use another e-mail address to create SWBG. Once at home I had to log back in for some reason and used the other e-mail and the old persona came up. I just have not bothered to change it. The uncle fester persona tends to be a little more irritable after a long day of work and not nearly as diplomatic.

opinion,

I understand where you are coming from. Our chief concern in the middle east is purely economic. It is imperative that we preserve our way of life and the oil is basic to our country. With that factor removed we would be outta there.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 5:09 PM

90% of Americans are more worried about the economy, than the war on Terror!! 90% Give US Economy Poor Rating... 56% Want Out Of Iraq

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 5:15 PM

Doc, step away from the computer...O is just jerking your chain. LOL and kidding

-- Posted by concerned4all on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 5:23 PM

Go pet your goat

That was two funnies today. See opinion you can be funny and sarcastic without being mean. I really did get a chuckle from that.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 5:24 PM

I concede, Cousin Carl is right. You can't fight stupid. Meanwhile, I'm going to enjoy the rest of the day basking in the glory of victory. A lot of Lieberman's in this room. LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 5:25 PM

suelynn, kidding no. Joking yes. After all. JUST O is a joke. A bad one. LOL

I'll be at BBW if anyone cares to debate this further. Later!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 5:30 PM

I read in the news today that the Star of David is to appear over Denver tonight, and that Jesus will be making an appearance.

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 5:31 PM

Liberal Pukes,

You're wrong. The Star of David will be making it's appearance with McCain tomorrow.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 5:42 PM

http://www.obamaformessiah.com/

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 5:46 PM

Me'Lange,

I am not as into all of this area as you, but I seem to remember the polls showing Bush behind during the last two elections; maybe need to do some research. I will remain dubious of the validity of polls as predictors of anything.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 5:51 PM

Doc

You just cannot seem to get it right, can you? "Mission Accomplished" was the banner on the ship who had done just that and was being deployed home. President Bush spoke from the deck but the banner had nothing to do with his WOT. If you have truly listened to him, he has said repeatedly that it would not be over for decades.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 6:06 PM

*thunk*

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 6:13 PM

Me'Lange,

I meant maybe I need to do some research not you as I really had nothing to back my opinion up, just vague recollections. I use to enjoy research, but now unless it is on something I intend to buy it has become a chore. I guess I have done too much of it. I am outclassed by most on here and it would take too much effort to keep up, so I don't post too much on here.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 6:17 PM

Babe,

Please play this video of John McCain ACKNOWLEDGING Mission Accomplished!!!

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/20...

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 6:21 PM

notsureitsafeinhere,

That is good news, he should never have been tried in a civilian court for actions while he was in the military, it should have been taken care of by UCMJ prior to his release.

I wish the politicians who denounced him as a murderer had the character to apologize.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 6:23 PM

NEIL CAVUTO: ... Senator -- after a conflict means after the conflict, and many argue the conflict isn't over.

JOHN MCCAIN: Well, then why was there a banner that said 'mission accomplished' on the aircraft carrier? ... the conflict -- the major conflict is over, the regime change has been accomplished.”

-June 11, 2003, on Fox News's Your World With Neil Cavuto.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 6:23 PM

KCPO, you're not out-classed. The fact is, you have more sense than most of us. (including myself). Whether some would agree or not, the bickering on here is just an example of how crucial this election is. I may get banned 10,000 times, but I refuse to let the forum be overan by Republicon Extremists. No doubt, there is a power struggle going on here.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 6:30 PM

KCPO

Are you saying that the judge threw it out?

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 6:37 PM

Doc

Your struggles may soon be over. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 6:38 PM

Doc

Your struggles may soon be over. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 5:38 pm CDT

Making Threats Babe?? Talking in riddles again instead of having the gumption to say what you really mean??

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 6:42 PM

doctor,

Thanks, not sure it is deserved, heck I might even be a "Republican Extremist" myself. I don't know about "bickering", but debate is healthy as it shows people really care. No matter which side of the spectrum you are on it is a good thing that you ave strongly held opinions. Give me strong beliefs over apathy and withdrawal anytime.

notsureitssafeinhere,

Both my sons are ex military. I do not believe civilians or even military without combat experience can make good judgments on what happens in the "fog of war". I know from experience that any violent encounter alters memories and perceptions. I can only imagine what real combat is like.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 6:44 PM

Babe,

No, he was acquitted according to the article. I am not familiar enough with the case to know why it was not handled by the military. This is the first time someone was tried by a civilian jury for actions taken while in the military. I am sure notsureitsafeinhere knows far more than I.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 6:48 PM

I know about the case and while it was a good outcome, it sets up a bad presedence for others that might follow. It should have been thrown out and never gone to trial. You might just as well kiss your voluntary military goodbye.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 7:04 PM

I agree it sets a very bad precedent. I don't think it will have an impact on recruitment, but I believe it may very well result in a less aggressive prosecution of the mission which "may" have a very negative impact on our combat effectiveness. The young men and women of our military are already getting the short end of the stick and they may well take this in stride. Of course this is just my opinion as I have no military experience.

I'm out, already posted more than I intended.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 7:19 PM

Interesting non hateing, non political, non statistically proven comment....

Just talk to a gentleman who has been married for 51 years and the mention of his wife's name still makes him smile.

Now that is a reason to live!!!

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 8:02 PM

ooops talk should have been talked.

Out again. Everyone have a great night!!! Would say behave, but what fun would that be???

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 8:04 PM

Pups,

Got to agree with you on that, been married forty. Have a good night.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 8:18 PM

Wow!Just read all of todays post!Mostly politics of course!A few off subjects but for the most part politics and one liners!I have one but its not political in nature rather directed toward The "Doctor"

It goes like this,"with you Doc,today is indeed only yesterdays tomorrow"!Why not realize that one of those

"demopublicans" will be our next President and either way nothing will change!So,when it comes down to it

the next 4 years will be filled with "yesterdays tomorrows" as well as promises not kept!The Government and military industrial complex is in control and the war machine is indeed, turning!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 8:30 PM

Obama taking donations from foreign donors. I can see the vacancy light blinking on the Lincoln Bedroom now.....

http://tsfiles.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/...

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http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=520...

Excerpt from above article which is a 3-part series on Obama. (There is also a 3-part series on McCain in which this guy rips him, too):

"It is important to remember that while Obama has "repudiated" them in nationally broadcast public ablutions, they have not repudiated him. Neither Rev. Jeremiah Wright nor Father Michael Pfleger has publicly cursed Obama for calling their ranting sermons "disgusting," nor has any black or white liberal supporter of Obama upbraided him for discarding the racist, rabble-rousing clerics. This fact seems to have eluded his supporters and the news media, who are giddily eager to absolve him of any wrong-doing, misconduct, or having had a less than sterling past and political career. It is another form of Kennedy or Clinton idolization, one that sweeps all evidence of scandal, criminal behavior, and malfeasance beneath an impenetrable rug of irrelevancy. He makes us feel good, so never mind his "missteps."

"The parallels of his rise in politics and that of Hitler's in Germany are too eerie in their particulars to ignore. To be sure, Obama's rise has been, in terms of violence, betrayal, and criminal skullduggery, entirely blameless. Never mind his early career as a "community" advocate, activist, and ward-heeler in Chicago and his somewhat lackluster but leftist record in the Illinois legislature and the U.S Senate. Obama himself is a man of no convictions, and a man of no convictions, as a consummate second-hander, will adopt the "greatest good for the greatest number" as his moral compass, whether or not he is running for office.

A man with no sense of self-identity will become what others wish him to be, or what he believes others wish him to be. The empty vessel will naturally gravitate to crowds to be filled to the brim with their hopes, dreams, wishes, sores and frustrations. Only then will he feel complete. He will become their servant, their icon, to be placed on an altar to be worshipped and prayed to in self-effacing idolatry.

So it is with Obama. It helps to explain why so many Americans are excited by him, and why he exudes a confidence not evident in any of the other candidates. His admirers cannot be excited by him because of his ideas; he has not expressed anything as solid as an idea (and clichés, bromides and populist tripe are not ideas), and his confidence grows as the number of his admirers and supporters grows.

Obama has not deliberately posed as a miracle-working Messiah who promises to cure all ills for all complainants; that is how his supporters and most of the news media view him, but he is willing to meet them halfway. And his race, fundamentally, is immaterial, regardless of what importance others attach to it. Virtually every other candidate has mouthed the same bromides, clichés, and populist tripe as Obama. Why they have worked for Obama and not much for anyone else (especially not for Hillary Clinton, whose sincerity is transparently phony and calculating) can be ascribed to his "charisma," his public speaking skills, and the apparent sincerity of the "feelings" behind his words. "

Feelings. This is the key to understanding Obama's appeal. Ian Kershaw, noted biographer and professor at the University of Sheffield, wrote a two-volume biography of Hitler that is distinguished from other such biographies in that it not only dissects Hitler, but the German culture that made him possible, and indicts both. It is the only non-Objectivist biography of Hitler that comes near to Dr. Leonard Peikoff's The Ominous Parallels: The End of Freedom in America (1982) by offering a philosophical explanation for the Nazi phenomenon (it stops just short of reaching the same conclusions). Kershaw, in Hitler, 1889-1936: Hubris (1998), makes a number of important observations about how and why Hitler was able to succeed, first in rising through the tumultuous politics of the 1920's, then in seizing power with the approval of the political establishment and the electorate.

"It was as a propagandist, not as an ideologue with a unique or special set of political ideas, that Hitler made his mark in these early years. There was nothing new, different, original, or distinctive about the ideas he was peddling in the Munich beerhalls. They were common currency among the various völkisch groups and sects and had already been advanced in all their essentials by the pre-war Pan-Germans. What Hitler did was to advertise unoriginal ideas in an original way. Others could say the same thing but make no impact at all. It was less what he said, than how he said it that counted." ("The Beerhall Agitator," p. 133.)

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 8:44 PM

Algore is speaking now and complaining about the race he almost won. Dang that electoral college. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 8:59 PM

LP,

Nice of you to admit that the author also riped McCain also. Very diplomatic of you. Not razzing, actually a compliment.

Though did notice you didn't post it with the Obama one. (now that was meant as a raz and a joke)

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:03 PM

Hi Pups

Are you watching the sky cam of the arena where the messiah will deliver his speech?

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:20 PM

Thanks Pups.

I just hope to God, for his supporters I'm talking about the God we learned about in Sunday school and not Obama, that IF (and that's a BIG if) he's elected he doesn't treat the Whitehouse as a bed and breakfast available to the highest bidder like our last Democrat president was so fond of doing.

Oh yea, and keep his ****** in his pants. Baby put your blue dress on! :-)

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:21 PM

Ok...instead of ******, how about Hoo Ha?

(by the way, that wasn't a four letter word, it was something a chicken has on it's face and pecks corn with)

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:23 PM

Not watching on TV. I'm looking out my window and to the West in hopes of seeing the Star of David appear over the horizon, just above Denver.

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:25 PM

Just an observation, kind of tired of hearing "take back America"; didn't know it belonged to the Democrats. I did not know Democrat rule was the natural order of things and that Republicans in office was somehow contrary and an aberration.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:27 PM

Whoaaaa, I think I just saw the Three White (definitely not wise) Men bearing gifts of coke, weed, and Colt45 Malt Liquor to the Messiah.

Wooowwww...was that 'The Boss' I saw kissing The Messiah's a-s-s?

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:32 PM

LP,

Kind of figured out what you meant even with the *'s.

Babe,

Nope, as I am at work.

I will be watching a Man give a speech when I get home.

Out for the night, because I choose not to start a political debate this evening.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:37 PM

Isn't it ironic how some made fun of Bush for being a cokehead at one time, yet now support one?

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:41 PM

Dude (the Messiah), are you smoking crack again? You're NOT running against Bush. Besides the Congress, that YOU are a part of, are thought of even less than the President. So what does that say about you?

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:48 PM

PUPS

Just signed up on the registry. Thank you for the info. Had to pay $52 for a tissue sample at a later date. Yep, I'm a cheap a$$!

Theorist

Care to join? Or do you prefer to act as a seudo compassionate intellagencia? Being an armchair "Man of the people." Well, lets go save a life and donate some portion of yourself besides the time wasted bantering and bickering back and forth. Oh, by the by. I heard it hurts real bad...so your out huh! Heading down to the Veteran's Home this weekend. There are three vets who love to triple team me in hearts. But I can still drink an entire beer without going to the bathroom. Life's little victories.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:50 PM

Just more crap from another loser who believes anything that comes through his inbox. Do us all a favor bob, if you want to be a bonehead and think that Sen. Glenn actually sat down and wrote that nonsense go ahead, but don't reproduce the lie for everyone else.

-- Posted by FriendO on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 8:55 am CDT

FriendO:

It don’t matter who said it it’s all true you big dummy! Now quit with the name calling, You don't know me! What makes you think your so much better than anyone? Believe me your not!!

Who are you blaming?

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 8:47 am CDT

No Blame Just passing a Message!

To Silent Bob-

Thanks! But the hard core dim-wits will either quit reading half way down or fall back on their conspiracy theories.

Only two forces have ever offered to die for you: Jesus Christ died for your soul, The American Soldier died for your Freedom.

-- Posted by hotshot202 on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 7:25 am CDT

Thank you Sir, We should have coffee sometime, I like your candor! Silent_bob58@live.com

Does that include Iraqi's or are they not considered combat related killings?

Posted by SWBG on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 8:31 am CDT

NO

You people, please keep your posts to less than 20 pages,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no more ranting, if its a long post,,,I skip the whole frigging thing.

-- Posted by dexterite on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 10:10 am CDT

Who Cares You aren’t Important!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 9:55 PM

Ok...out for the night. Hope all of you have a great Labor Day weekend. Be safe, and don't drink and drive.

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 10:02 PM

Ok, last for the night I promise....

fajar,

I was hoping to find a site that didn't require you to pay, but I'm gathering that is standard practice to get on donor list. Glad I could help.

Beyond the tweeking of Theorist, I do hope that you can, through the process, truely help someone. My nephew had Luekemia, but luckily didn't have to have a marrow transplant. Diagnosed when he was 2, now 6 and enjoying life and his remission. Many are not as lucky and your willingness to add your name to the list of donors is truely appreciated. (please forgive typos)

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 10:10 PM

Isn't it ironic how some made fun of Bush for being a cokehead at one time, yet now support one?

-- Posted by Liberal_Regurgitators on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 8:41 pm CDT

I don't know if that is true, But I do know that he is a huge RACIST!! Just ask his partner in crime Rev. Wright.

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 10:15 PM

Got a little deep after B Hussain starting withing the rant about

Home Foreclosers: spending outside your means.

Devalued House: all homes want to make money on them, but there are just too many out in the market now.

Paying for College: join the Army. GI Bill worked for me. Quit thinking that the tax payer wants to pay for you to learn how to tap a keg.

Credit Card Debit: DA! Spending outside your means. So I have to bail you out because you NEEDED that flat screen?

Taxes: doesn't Congress cover that? So doesn't Congress cover Bush's hated tax cuts? Who's in charge of Congress?

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 10:29 PM

I just finished watching Obama's speech and I ask where is the 'there, there?' Even his audience was unenthused. He is an empty suit as we have known all along.

One thing he will regret in his flat speech is asking why McCain did not follow Bin Laden into a cave.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 11:02 PM

fajar

Don't forget that we can get the same health care as congress and the senate has!! HOW will he pull that one off??

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 11:10 PM

Bob

Were you seriously expecting Obama to tell you how we can pay for all the goodies he proposes? giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 11:13 PM

Just checking to see if Missourian is letting me post, which they seem to do every couple of days--once or twice maybe. And was checking to see if there are lunch plans for tomorrow. Sorry, personal stuff, huh...unlike so many other comments? ~grinning~

Wierd comments lately anyway...No, I take that back. Depending on who's on a roll or in a snit, it's mostly pretty much the same stuff, from the same posters.

Do want to say, Me'Lange...quite a few people DO change their minds about who they'll vote for, as well as many other things, as they learn more facts (or think they do?) or mature, or whatever. It's why I think the phrase 'flip-flopping' is actually a rather dumb way of trying to put someone down...when basically it might just be attributed to people changing their minds as they become more educated. Know what I mean?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 11:15 PM

Muttie,

Guten Abend. Würde lieben, Mittagessen morgen mit Ihnen zu tun.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 11:41 PM

I believe that McCain will choose a woman as his vp tomorrow.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, at 11:54 PM

Bob

Love to have the same care as Congress. Gimme Ted <hick> Kennedy's Doc anyday! A dude who can mix Chemo and Scotch is a stud in my book.

I'm getting scr*ewed by my General Practitioner that I've been paying and paying and paying on.

Tell you what Bob, I'll quit my job if you quit yours. We can BOTH start living off the T*T (breast) of Big Brotha.

Think of it. I can start that book I always wanted about the rights of pedophiles. ACLU will pay me a grant for it. All I need are Practical Exercises. Maybe Rhode Island. They let Sexual Deviants out early. Goldmine!

And you, can make a movie where your buddies Ben and Matt can one up Brokeback Mountian! And have George Clueless taking one for the team. I smell Oscar.

B Hussain! I'VE SEEN THE LIGHT! HOLLA!!!!

Who am I kidding, I'm going to Canada.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:03 AM

I believe that McCain will choose a woman as his vp tomorrow.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 10:54 pm CDT

And if he does, she'll be a PRO-Abortionist! Check her record.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:10 AM

Sleep tight Republicons. You've had to much cheese and WHINE tonight. LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:12 AM

just finished watching Obama's speech and I ask where is the 'there, there?' Even his audience was unenthused. He is an empty suit as we have known all along.

One thing he will regret in his flat speech is asking why McCain did not follow Bin Laden into a cave.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 10:02 pm CDT

Such a Bitter Pathetic (aka...whining) comment. Just like John McCain, you JUST DON'T KNOW. LOL Clueless. Is it an age thing with you? LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:26 AM

KCPO, You're right. We are all patriots.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:30 AM

Doesn't Michelle remind you of Rhoup Hall? Just a rude observation.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:39 AM

Doc

Sarah Palin is strongly pro-life.

-- Posted by BABE on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:42 AM

Sarah Palin isn't even on the list BABE. LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:53 AM

Babe, IF McCain picks a female VP it will be PRO-ABORTIONIST Kay Bailey Hutchison.

Meanwhile, don't get your hopes up, CNN has just annouced that McCain has postponed his VP announcement. LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 1:01 AM

"She admits that she used marijuana when it was legal in Alaska, but says that she did not like it."

Sound familiar? The infamous words of Sarah Palin

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 1:06 AM

Did Purcell write "Campaign or advertising?"? If not, then my question is: Really? Have you met Rock Finch? If not, you are extremely ignorant. Get a clue and do your homework. Don't write about Rock Finch again until you do your research.

-- Posted by msv on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 1:46 AM


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