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Speak Out 8/26/08

Monday, August 25, 2008

Be smart, wait to drink

ANYONE WHO lived in the 1970s and was on a college campus knows there was plenty of binge drinking around and they didn't call them keggers for nothing. I just kind of doubt there's more binge drinking today than there was in the 1970s. They didn't make "Animal House" for no reason. I think probably waiting until age 21, you may produce fewer alcoholics. I wonder if there's a study done because I would think if you start drinking younger, you'd be more prone to be an alcoholic than if you wait until the age of 21 to drink. By then, you may have grown up and realized alcohol's not really something you need in your life. I mean, who needs the extra money it costs, the unproductivity is leads to, etc.?

Age for voting

I WOULD like to comment about lowering the drinking age to 18. If we can have our 18-year-olds go overseas and put a gun in their hands and tell them to fight and die for their country, and if an 18-year-old can vote a president in to help run the country, then they ought to be responsible enough to drink at 18. However, having said that, I do know 21-year-olds, 22-, 23-, 24-, 25-, 30-year-olds not responsible enough to drink. If you're going to leave it at 21, then you ought to go back to voting a president at 21, serving your country at 21. It's just hard for me to understand how we can send our 18-year-olds overseas to fight and die for this country but when they go into order a beer, we tell them they're not old enough. That's my only concern.

Don't lower drinking age

LOWERING THE drinking to age 18 would be a recipe for disaster. I believe this was brought up by several colleges as a way to pass off the problem of binge drinking to the community.

No cell phones

I BELIEVE there is absolutely no reason for students to have cell phones in class. The teacher, in case of emergency, should have one, but students have enough distractions.

Primary voting

IT'S TIME to change the Missouri primary system so that an entire list of candidates for any office will be listed during the primary and people can vote for maybe a Republican for governor and maybe they have a favorite Democrat that they'd like for county auditor. So we ought to be able to vote for who we want in each race, whether they're Republican or Democrat.

Where's the honor?

TO THE person who backed into my white Oldsmobile in the Jackson Country Mart parking lot two months ago, breaking out the brake lights and denting my car and then driving off without leaving a note, I hope your conscience isn't bothering you too much.

Hot supper in Leopold

I WENT TO the Leopold Picnic for supper. It was delicious, but the heat was miserable. I think they should put air-conditioning window units in one day a year for that supper so you can eat in comfort instead of sweating so much. Maybe they'd get a bigger crowd.

Spay, neuter your pets

I WAS just taking a look at the three-column free-for-the-taking section, and I was struck by the number of large-breed puppies that were available. Many people today are living in apartments and rental houses and a large dog isn't in the budget or the lease. The people who are breeding these large-breed dogs need to have their pets spayed or neutered. These large dogs are filling up the Humane Society, and it's not fair to keep euthanizing them.

Avoid war at all costs

AVOIDING WAR with Russia at all costs is a good thing. Anyone knows we really couldn't be in another war right now. In Afghanistan we have our hands plenty full. My dad is a lover of history, and he told me all the time I was growing up -- and this has been 30-plus years ago -- that anyone who messed with Afghanistan would have their hands full because of their history, that they're a tough, formidable people and that history shows this. So it's almost foolishness us being in Afghanistan. I don't think we're going to be able to win there, it will be like Vietnam. I don't know what the mission is there, but hopefully it will be short as possible. We can't be all over the world, and it appears that diplomacy is going to work. We can already see that Russia's pulling back now. Diplomacy or tough talk can work. We can't just be going to war all over the place.

One license plate

TO THE police department, the state patrol and the sheriff's department: How do some people get by with only one license plate and others don't? Many pickups have only one, some with a substitute advertisement plate. Anytime I drive, I see several who don't seem to give a hoot. Many small trailers have no plate, many expired. Laws shouldn't be broken by a few while others are pulled over. I know of one person who has one of these plates on one truck and the other plate on his old truck.

Letter was bigoted

THIS PAPER recently printed a letter with the heading, "Islamic expansion presents dangers." I don't care if the writer had "some experience with a moderate element of Islam," his letter wreaked of anti-Muslim bigotry. I doubt the writer would like if Christianity was accused of being run by fanatics that "have openly avowed their intent to rule the world" and I doubt this newspaper which features columnists that whine incessantly about a liberal media that doesn't exist would print a letter with such accusations. It was wrong to print this bigoted letter.

Road crews should split

Dear MoDOT, these are the days that there is more daylight to use for outside work. Since you already know travel at 34/72 is going to be a safety problem for school and work commuters, would it not be smart on your part to have the crews work split shifts during the most dangerous hours? A wreck will bottle up the road and shut work down.


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The primary election restrictions were brought on many years ago. If you were able to vote on both tickets, one party could get together and vote overwhelmingly for a scoundrel on the other ticket knowing no way would this individual get elected in the regular election. Please keep it the way it is right now, if nothing else but make a lot of Republicans (as I saw in a recent Dexter election) squirm because they had to tell the election officials they were republican. Just my observation, but it could work the other way also.

-- Posted by changedname on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 6:55 AM

KBSI-TV SINKS TO NEW LOW with the ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS SHOW.

One can hardly think it possible, but KBSI-TV over the air on channel 23 and on cable in Cape and Jackson on cable channel 09, has sunk to a new, all time low.

To be fair, it probably isn't KBSI's fault. From what I understand, all programming decisions for our market, are made at their parent companies headquarters in Maryland.

Sinclair Broadcast Group, Inc.

10706 Beaver Dam Road

Hunt Valley, Maryland 21030

410-568-1500 (Main Telephone)

410-568-1533 (Main Fax)

One wonders what marketing and programming genius exist on Beaver Dam Road in Hunt Valley, Maryland, to load KBSI-TV down with endless programming for dummies. I have managed to resist starting my day off with the Steve Wilkos Show, a spin off of the Jerry Springer Show aired from 0400-to-0500am daily. Follow that maddening hour with the original Jerry Springer program, complete now with a short stature man with no legs moving across the stage, pulling himself forward with his arms. The only saving grace to this spectacle is that the man does have a job, in what would otherwise be a carnival side show atmosphere. I am glad he is working, and perhaps has some ego boost because he is on a national program, but I can't help but believe that Springer is exploiting him. That is not the worse. Springer has always encouraged women to bear their breasts for trinket beads ala Madi Gras. I'm certainly not a prude, and do have a fondness for breasts, but it seems pretty cheap and lewd. Many of them are invited to the stage to slither up and down on a strip joint pole while, again, bearing their breasts. Of course, since the Jerry Springer show wreaks of dignity, their breasts are defused, blurred so that young impressionable minds up at 0500 watching Springer won't be led astray by erotic content.

At 0800 daily, KBSI begins broadcasting FIVE hours of court room crapola programs until 1300 (0100pm) in the afternoon. Following the 700 Club, a half hour infomercial is scheculed from 0200-0230pm. Divorce Court airs from 0230 to 0300pm, and MAURY (Povich) has a program almost as bad as Springer, from 0300-0400. The Peoples Court crapola runs from 0400-0500pm. Judge Judy entertains dummies from 0500-0600pm. Then, in my opinion comes the saving grace of their broadcast day from they make amends by airing an hour of Two and a Half Men.

My gripe with them is their 14 hours of daytime programming from 0400am-0600pm. In that fourteen hours, they have SEVEN and a half hours of Court crap, a half hour infomercial, and THREE hours of SPRINGER-WILKOS-and-MAURY. That is 10 and a Half hours of what is in my opinion, crapola programing. In the remaining three and a half hours of daytime programming, KBSI airs an hour of the 700 club, an infomerical, or, two, and a one, or, two early morning children's programs.

Nightime local programming at KBSI is much, much better, again, in my opinion. Beginning at 0930pm they air the King of Queens, the Simpsons, a couple of blocks of FAMILY GUY, King of the Hill, Maclcom in the Middle and South Park. Not a fan of SCRUBS, nor the Cosby Show, so those nights that I can't sleep, I change the channel from KBSI about 0230 in the morning. If they brought back MARRIED WITH CHILDREN, or, THRID ROCK, I would set my alarm to wake up to see those programs.

The reason for my post is the latest offense by SINCLAIR Broadcsting. They have purchased the ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS PROGRAM, and air it on Sunday-Monday morning from Midnight to O100am.

Armstrong Williams as you might remember, was caught taking over $200,000 thousand dollars from the Bush regime to promote Bush's No Child Left Behind education scheme. Williams had been a very popular conservative radio talk show host. When he was caught, he lost a lot of credit and became the butt of jokes and ineunudo.

A shill like Armstrong Williams doesn't deserve to be peddling his propaganda wares in this market. I would have been appalled that Sincliar had forced his weak TV program upon us, but given Sinclair's disdain for their KBSI viewers, by programming total dummy type slop all day long from 0400am-0600pm, I guess that I shouldn't be too surprised that they have decided that we are a lovely bunch of coconuts with no good sense, nor, brains, so they bought the Armstrong Williams just for our low class, in THEIR opinion, market.

Thank God for the remote and hundreds of other channels from which to choose.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:00 AM

Editor, incorrect date on today's Speakout, gonna confuse some folks.

-- Posted by changedname on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:00 AM

good morning everyone ,

drinking age: leave it at 21 . soldiers should be

able to use their ID's to get alcohol at 18 years

of age .

Cardinals 6 , Braves 3

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:02 AM

FBI Sniper Lon Horuichi Murdered Vicki Weaver 15 Years Ago, TODAY.

Today, Monday, August 25th is the 15th Anniversary of the murder of Vicki Weaver as she stood in the doorway of their home near Ruby Creek in Idaho. Vicki was murdered by FBI Sniper Lon Horiuchi who shot her in the head while, unarmed, she held her infant daughter, Elisheba.

The feds had already murdered Weavers 15 year old son, Samuel, by shooting him in the back.

Later, Federal Agents would say that they made only one mistake that day at the Weavers, that mistake, according to the feds, was by not killing everyone there.

"After his criminal trial,(wherein Weaver was acquitted of all charges, except a "failure to appear" for an earlier appearance) Weaver and his daughters, Sara and Rachel, sued the federal government. In an out-of-court settlement he received $100,000, and his daughters each got $1 million from the lawsuit."

http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/dispa...

http://land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/weaver...

Oh, yeah, the feds, just as they did before they committed the murders at Waco, shot the Weaver's dog, Striker, a beautiful Golden Retriever. At Waco, the federal scum had went in the back of the church building to the pen where a georgous Malamute who had just given birth to puppies was killed by the feds.

The US Supreme Court said that Lon Horuichi could stand trial on state of Idaho charges of murdering Vicki Weaver. The Republican prosecutor prepared the charges and to go to trial. The Republican cronies, the backroom Republican scum in that county, put up a go-along, to get-along candidate and ran the machine against her to get their own Republcian female prosecutor defeated. The new good ole boy prosecutor dropped all charges against the FBI's murderous sniper, Lon Horiuchi.

Isn't justice amazing? Especially, when the good ole boys who have messed up the Republican party have anything to do with it.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:43 AM

SUPPORT FOR JAY PURCELL

Give Jay Purcell a new broom and your vote, so he can sweep that good ole boy Cape Girardeau Commission clean.

That case in Idaho, where the Republican elitist machine, put up a puppet candidate to defeat their own prosecutor, reminds me of our current situtation here in Cape Girardeau County.

In my opinion, the Republican elitist machine is trying to defeat our Republcian District #2 Commissioner, Jay Purcell. Apparently, the good ole boys would like to keep us covered up in BS, and in the dark, like mushrooms, and continue their business as usual in Cape County. Again, just my opinion.

I plan to go to the Cape Girardeau County Clerk and get the entire set of tapes that Jay Purcell made. I want to hear for myself what was said. From what I have heard thus far, by those tapes made available for download, it get the impression that Presiding Commissioner Gerald Jones was telling Purcell, in so many words, to "wise up, don't rock the boat, you are making a lot of money now, don't make waves, you can go far, etc." If that is what was said in those tapes, then, I have to tip my hat to Jay Purcell for having the courage to come forth and let us see what is really going on in county government.

If I were Jay Purcell, I wouldn't worry about Jay Knutson being against him. I look at that as a plus. Two years ago, when voters found out that Jay Knutson, our mayor, was behind the Paul Sanders campaign, they came out in force to make sure that Sanders didn't win his election.

If Purcell gets the word out on what has been going on with the Cape County Commission, then, the voters will come out in force, again, and give Purcell a new broom to sweep the Cape County Commission clean out of office.

It seems to me, that with the Cape Girardeau County Commission, it is the Foxes who are minding the Hen House. We need a new gaurd dog up there, and his name is Jay Purcell.

Just my opinion. Nothing more.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:46 AM

Good morning fellow conservatives. Hope everyone out there is being responsible for themseles, because that's all it takes.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 8:24 AM

Good Morning Folks:

Todays joke is dedicated to all my friends on the left!!

A couple of liberial men in a pickup truck drove into a

lumberyard. One of the men walked in the office and

said, "We need some four-by-twos."

The clerk said, "You mean two-by-fours, don't you?"

The man said, "I'll go check," and went back to the truck.

He returned a minute later and said, "Yeah, I meant

two-by-fours."

"All right. How long do you need them?"

The customer paused for a minute and said, "I'd better go

check."

After a while, the customer returned to the office and said,

"A long time. We're gonna build a house."

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 8:29 AM

Regarding spaying and neutering pets: Unless you're a professional breeder who intends upon selling the puppies/kittens, then you're an irresponsible pet owner.

-- Posted by redpen on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 9:06 AM

redpen,

thats ridiculous!You certainly can be a responsible pet owner if you CHOOSE not to have your pet fixed!

Why would you think otherwise?

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 9:31 AM

Sharing "gifts and talents"....free. Smiling....free. Compassion and listening....free.

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 9:59 AM

Respect is very, very valuable (you notice this when you aren't getting it)! It certainly is free to give, but I guess there could be an argument about the price.

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:02 AM

Melange,

It was good meeting both of you as well.We had a great

time although we did poorly as far as the competition

was concerned.I just don't think we did a very good job this year.Lots of fun though.Glad you and Pups enjoyed the festival.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:07 AM

Hello everyone,

I agree if you have pets and you are breeding them then make sure they go to a good home. If your not going to do that or take care of them then please get your pet fixed so you don't have to worry about what to do with the puppies or kittens in the future. Puppies are alot of fun, but they do grow up and people tend to loose interest in them when they do.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:12 AM

Mr. Goodbody:

If you don't like what is on a particular channel, then don't turn it on! Its free enterprise - not a conspiracy.

-- Posted by insider63785 on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:41 AM

One license plate:

Trucks, (pickups included here), that are licensed over 6,000 or 12,000 lbs, (forgot which one), need only one license plate. Most put their one plate on the front because if on the back they tend to get mangled up from trailer tongues. So, there you go.

-- Posted by Hawker on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 11:08 AM

Re: Avoid war at all costs

Apparently, you feel war is never justified. Would that change if your freedom to speak out against what the government was doing came to an end? What if your right to own a gun to defend yourself and your family ceased to exist? Would the cost still not justify going to war if you were rounded up and systematically executed based on your beliefs or heritage?

There is evil in this world, and the only way to overcome this evil is to convince those who are evil to not follow through with their intentions...that it is not in their best interest. Diplomacy is good, but when it fails to get the job done, you need to have an alternative. Use of force has ALWAYS been a deterrent against evil people doing evil things, no matter how great or small that evil is....whether it is a thug out on the street trying to rape your daughter or a dictator attempting to disarm and execute anyone who does not agree with him.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 11:15 AM

Be smart, wait to drink: I agree, keep the age at 21. There's always going to be a little mischief among 18, 19, and 20 year olds. "Getting" the alcohol was half the fun. That's what house parties, and Greek organizations are for. Early experimentation.

Age for voting: Valid point, I would rather see the Military age go up to 21 myself. Let kids live and go to college before you send them to fight in something they don't understand.

Don't lower drinking age: Yes yes yes...keep it the same, we said this already.

No cell phones: Yes, that distraction being "the teacher with her cellphone" Really I thought there were intercom systems in the buildings, now why would the teacher need a cellphone?

Primary voting: Split ticket voting in a primary...that's ridiculous!

Where's the honor?: It was probably the driver of a Ford, there's always been the animosity between those two. I miss my Old Mobile.

Hot supper in Leopold: Where was this held?

Spay, neuter your pets: Bob Barker on the blog?

Avoid war at all costs: Yes...costs...an interesting concept.

One license plate: Ohhh I've often wondered this myself.

Letter was bigoted: Yet no one complained when we lost our synagog.

Road crews should split: I agree night time would be much better.

BTW: I'm still waiting for the definition and examples of what a TRUE 100% Blue Blooded Conservative is.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 11:23 AM

Re: Spay, neuter your pets

In the true spirits of 'there ought to be a law' and 'your government, at work', here's what a couple of Missouri cities have done or are looking at doing:

http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll...

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 11:27 AM

Me'lange,

You must have missed this. Last night I was asking our resident pure breed conservatives what the definitions and characteristics of a TRUE 100% Blue Blood Conservative were.

Here is the answer I received last night.

"Doctor

A true conservative takes responsibility and consequences for his actions and choices in life."

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 24, 2008, 7:49 pm CDT

Suelynn, Theorist, and myself have come to the conclusion we must be Conservatives then, how about you?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 11:30 AM

Doc

Check lastnight about 2045hrs. It was full of "me me me" and no compassion. Such a hurtful blather of hate, but it is MY choice. Through my own personal responsibilities I can back up my actions.

Be back in 12 hours. Millions on welfare need my butt to get on the road and work.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 11:37 AM

i always thought a conservative was one who saved

money and a liberal was one who shared money .

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 11:46 AM

I have to agree with the caller concerning spaying & neutering your pets.

Melange, your parents are considered "backyard" breeders and seem to be responsible pet owners. I will bet they have never tried to surrender their puppies to a shelter, run a "give away" ad in the paper, or dumped them by the side of the road. Again showing their responsibility as a pet owner.

Greywolf: I have to disagree with you.

Unless your pet is of breeder quality, purebred doesn't make your pet breeder quality, then responsible owners will elect to have their pets fixed.

I work in welfare and take calls daily from so called "responsible" owners with litters of puppies and kittens they want to drop off at a shelter and be done with. Or they dump them off in the rural areas such as Bollinger County.

Then there are those "responsible" owners that think they will adopt a male pet because they don't reproduce and they don't have to be altered. Ha!! I wonder where did all these babies come from?

I could go on and on! The bottom line is have your pets spayed or neutered!!!

At least the ads in the paper are showing that folks are trying to find homes for their pet's offspring instead of dumping them at shelters or by the side of the road.

The Cape Humane Society has a Spay & Neuter assistance program available that is based on income. There is no excuse for not altering your pets.

Spay and neuter, spay and neuter, spay and neuter! Be a responsible pet owner and have your pets spayed or neutered.

-- Posted by tammy1123 on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 11:52 AM

You're Almost Right.....A Conservative

A Conservative bails out his Wall Street fat cat buddy, with your money. It is a sin to him to take tax dollars and squander it on the poor. However, when his investor friends on Wall Street make very bad choices in their life, and bet the market wrong, a Conservative sees nothing wrong with robbing the checker at K-Mart, the clerk at Rhodes 101, the Priest, the mechanic, the farmer for tax money to "create investor confidence in the financial markets." Exact words of Paulson, your Republican fat cat Treasury Secretary, and fat cat Democratic Senator, Chris Dodd.

Tax money for po people, very, very bad. Tax money for Wall Street usury loaded up, greedmiester, fat cat friends who threw the dice and came up short in their gamling on the markets, well, that is very, very good. Now, you know what a Conservative is.

Actually, the label of Conservative means nothing these days. Every politician is a Conservative when it will get him/her votes. What they do in Washington, well that is another matter.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 12:01 PM

Something I posted on my blog, Off topic but timely with the DNC this week:

I posted about this before, but it still drives me crazy to see groups applying for permits to protest this event or that. ATTENTION PEOPLE, YOU DO NOT NEED A PERMIT TO EXCERCISE YOUR 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHTS! The Bill of Rights are NOT items that are limited by government! They are GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS that are not to be infringed upon by government EVER! This is America, EVERYWHERE is a FREE SPEECH ZONE! The Bill of Rights was written down so that we would be reminded of the things that government shall never be allowed to limit. The entire idea was that if these things were being limited, it would be time to dissolve that government and try again! They only get away with it because we let them.

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 12:03 PM

Re: Hot supper in Leopold

Assuming that this affair was held indoors at a community building or the like. OK then, some additional alternatives to consider:

1) Could the picnic be moved to sometime in the Fall or Spring where temperatures are expected to be more moderate?

2) Could the eatin' arrangements be moved outside under a large tent/canopy towards more ventilation? Ah, but what about the flies and skeeters :-)~

3) Could the arrangements be held at another location already possessing the desired climate-controlled environment?

Where are all these window units going to come from, especially if needed only once per year?

The caller reminds me of those chuckleheads who consider camping to be nothing less than a trailer or RV having full hook-ups. Good grief, if one can't enjoy anything without complaining about not having the full amenities of home-sweet-home, then perhaps one should consider staying home, gracing everyone else with their absence.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 12:03 PM

Off topic,

For the record, I am not pouting or trying to get attention by my choice to not post lately. I found myself wanting to post comments that I feel, and yes Babe feel, that would be inappropiate. I believe that anyone should and can post what they want on this forum within what the paper will allow. My frustration at wanting to tell certain posters, ones that I have come to respect, to kiss my a.ss was a big indicator to take a step back. I felt I was no longer adding to the debate or discussion.

Call me thin skinned if you wish, but I take responsibility for what I post and was finding myself stepping over the line that I have set for myself. Key being 'set for myself' as other have the right to set their own line or none at all if they so choose.

My silence is for my own benifit and not because of certain debated issues. Granted, my opus as Babe called it would suggest otherwise. I posted it out of frustration and should not have. For that I appologize. Never fear, Pups, is always here. He just might not bark as much for awhile.

Though the selfish side of me did enjoy and appreciate being missed.

Have a great day everyone.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 12:04 PM

Really scary stuff here. Sounds like radical talk that ought to be severely curtailed.

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 12:11 PM

Why should we expect people to treat their pets well?

Just look at how they treat other people.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 12:19 PM

this website will show bad people in your area .

all you have to do is type in your address...

http://www.felonspy.com/search.html

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 12:23 PM

I agree, if you don't like a particular television station DON'T WATCH IT! There's a lot of stations I don't like, but I'm not going to call or write them to let them know that. That's the most ridiclous thing I ever heard of. TV stations can't please everyone especially someone in Southeast Missouri. In my personal opinion, I like watching those court shows; however, I have a job and I can't sit around watching TV.

-- Posted by momofgirls on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 12:29 PM

If these bad people have served their debts to society, is there really a need to for any Joe Blow to be able to find their address in a matter of seconds on the Internet? What if they were convicted of molesting a child? Where's the line?

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 12:31 PM

Robert Goodbody as for your post on KBSI.

You sure know alot about programming that you can't seem to stand. I find it HILARIOUS that more than once you call it dummy programming yet you know more than most about the lineup. Does that make you and over-achieving dummy? Primary rule in Broadcasting "RATINGS=MONEY". It's not what Sinclair thinks of KBSI viewers as you say

I would have been appalled that Sincliar had forced his weak TV program upon us, but given Sinclair's disdain for their KBSI viewers, by programming total dummy type slop all day long from 0400am-0600pm,

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, 6:00 am CDT

...It's what the KBSI viewers have said about themselves via their viewing habits. Do you think that any of those shows that you hate would be on the air if no one tuned in? BTW No one is forcing anything on you.

-- Posted by Producer1 on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 12:39 PM

Tammy1123,

I appreciate and respect your opinion however,you can certainly be a responsible pet owner without spaying or neutering!!It is not all about breeding and or breeders.Yes indeed too many people purchase or take in dogs and cats that should not own one.And yes,people drop off unwanted pets daily into the Hilleco country and humane societies.These are the

pet owners that are not responsible.This has nothing to do with whether or not your pet is fixed!

I choose not to neuter my Chows and have owned 4 in the past 25 years.I have never had a problem to date because Iam a responsible pet owner.I use my dog mainly as a companion and security!He would not be a good watch dog if he were neutered.Dogs that are neutered seem to remain puppies and in the Wolf's opinion,they do not make good good security dogs.

Cat owners are the most irresponsible pet owners.

I see hundreds of cats roaming all over my neighborhood

every week.I only hope one of these cats do not enter my backyard as my dog will have him for lunch just like the racoon he had yesterday for breakfast!Now that fight was a sight to behold!The coon started off in good form but it was not long before Kota(my dog) got the best of it.I did my best to save the coons life but after it scratched me I let things develop naturally.The coon did not survive!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 12:52 PM

MeLange,

Since everyone keeps bringing up the issue of being a true Conservative, my question is how can anyone be a true conservative if things are constantly changing, according to the defination you just gave. If I read it wrong I'm sorry, but I read most of the comments last night and again today about this and to me it's very confusing.

Also, Greywolf, I agree with you that a pet owner rather they be a breeder or not can be a responsible pet owner. It all depends on the individual, and I really hate seeing dogs dumped along the road anywhere. It's a shame that it happens so often.

Pups,

so glad to see you posted, hope to see more.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 1:13 PM

Hilleco,

while ranching out in Lowndes for 6 years back in the 80s I had to deal with several stray dogs.These dogs would pack up and destroy livestock.I had no issue with putting them down with my 243 cal varmit rifle.

These dogs would become wild and very mean and I had small children at that time.Frankly I do not know the number of dogs I took out but it was several and I had no problem with doing it at all.This is not too say I disagree with your second paragraph.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 1:29 PM

Just as being 100% anything is impossible. This past primary one of the candidates (Wallingford?) put on his campaign posters that he was 100% pro-life. I know what he meant, but it isn't possible. Did he mean 100% until age 18 when you become expendable? I am of course playing the "devil's advocate" here.

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 1:41 PM

MeLange,

Thanks that what I thought you were saying, but wanted to make sure I didn't misread it.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 1:41 PM

Greywolf,

Regarding your post about choosing not to have your dog neutered. It sounds as if you are truly a responsible pet owner, and I applaud you for that. However, it has been my experience after living in the country for 30+ years that a large number of people in the area I am from are NOT. And I base this on the huge number of abandoned dogs, cats, puppies and kittens I have found, taken in, provided medical care for and then placed in good homes. The prevailing attitude in my area seems to be that it's ok to get puppies or kittens when they're still little and cute, but once they get big and lose their charm, then they can just be discarded. I have also heard numerous people say that you must let a dog or cat have a litter before spaying them or it isn't good for them. This is nonsense. Or they live in town with no yard and just HAVE to get that cute little Lab puppy as if they don't realize that it will grow into a 100lb. sporting dog....

Once again, it sounds like you are absolutely a good pet owner, I just wish that everyone had your attitude regarding their pets and their responsibilties regarding them.

P.S. I think I need your dog to clear out some coons at my house!!

-- Posted by tinks89 on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 1:48 PM

Nor do I Hilleco, but I usually wary of the person who claims 100% anything.

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 1:50 PM

Theorist,

Someone has to play the Devils Advocate, LOL, but I agree I don't think anyone is 100% anything either.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 1:52 PM

Me'Lange, you said, "I don't think it is possible to be a 100% true Conservative." Ahh, so are you implying that our staunch conservative friends in the forum may not be "TRUE CONSERVATIVES?" That's an interesting concept, I wonder how that will set with them? So they could technically be a little bit liberal, but liberal all the same.

But here, let's examine this further. I've taken the time to decipher and respond to Fajar's definition of being a true /patriot/conservative/republican.

"The_Doctor

I consider myself a Patriot first. Conservative second. Republican third. (I consider myself to be a Christian, a Patriot, and a Father)

I believe that the money I make, is the money I keep.

(but just like me, you do give this money back in taxes to support our armed services and our politicians)

I believe taxes should be less for the wealthy...unless you plan on going down on Goodhope(less) and getting a job. (so how do we fund all of this? On the backs of the Middle-Class? That's kind of a liberal elitest statement, how about a FAIR TAX?)

I believe that when you say "Keep your government out of my bedroom." (I agree, to each his own)

On the same line, I believe that marriage should be between a man and woman. BUT! I am not one to interfer with their Pursuit of Happiness even if a whole state voted against the Gay Marriage thing only to be thrown out because of activist judges. ( I also personally believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman, BUT..it's not my right to pawn off my personal beliefs onto "someone elses bedroom, aka...what you said about the government being in it."

I believe that the military is there because it can.

(unsure what you mean by this, it sounds militaristic and totalitarian. I believe the military is there to protect, and defend the rights of those who are unable to do so.)

I believe that B Hussain is a Socialist. (A socialist? or a liberal?) I'll just come out and say I won't vote for Obama because he's black. (Racist and liberal statements? Does this make you conservative?)How do you feel about Condoleeza Rice?)

I believe abortion is killing. (Personally, I do too, but again...I'm not a woman, I've never been raped. For me to dictate what someone else should do would be like you said, "the government in your bedroom." Sounds like you are for bigger government, isn't that a liberal trait?)

I believe that if abortion is a woman's Right to Choose, then prostitution should be legal. Beat that argument. (definately a liberal statement)

I believe in Capitol Punishment. But I think the families of the victims should have a say-so or even a hand in it. (So vigilantism? Now you're talking from liberal to radical)

I believe in health care for children...( I do too, but....ummm aren't we talking crazy liberal talk now?)

Plus, if your on welfare and have a $40,000 SUV, you shouldn't be on welfare. ( I agree with this too)

I believe that if your on Food Stamps you should go back to the actual stamps. I don't think it really makes a difference, I'm sure either way there is some embarrassment)

I believe in limited terms for everyone in office. ( I also agree) And this retirement package for serving one term in Congress, GONE! (Completely agree)

I believe adultary is wrong. (Wrong, but it happens. Are you a Christian?)

No one thinks of anyone else besides themselves. We've become so narcissist because that is who we have to look up to. (Do you mean elitest?)

I believe that Hollywierd should be TAXED for their windfall profits (what is that phrase anyway). They brag about the MILLIONS they make, but if a company CEO makes any cash...burn them at the stake. (Hmm..Film is an entertainment, and a NON essential. Hard to say the "willing" are being taken advantage of there. Meanwhile, we NEED fuel, but can't prevent the gouging. Is this specifically a "Conservative Belief" or just yours? I want to make sure I'm clear on this. If it's a conservative belief, then I might just be a liberal, because I disagree with you on "this one point."

Thanks for answer though.

That being said, do any of you "other" Stauch Conservative in the room want to tell me what a TRUE CONSERVATIVE is? I'd also like some examples of these TRUE CONSERVATIVES.

I'll be waiting.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 1:55 PM

twiggy

Picture is now on KFVS 12 web site

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 1:56 PM

I hope some of you get the point I'm trying to make. Especially how this Conservative/Liberal hateful labeling has been done. I just want to get to the bottom of why and how these TRUE CONSERVATIVES can judge whether someone is liberal or not. After all, in order to do so, you would really have to have a handle on what being a TRUE CONSERVATIVE is.

The fact is, I don't think they know, which...ironically, may just make them liberals too. *GIGGLE*

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:00 PM

If an individual is 100% pro-life, then that would also imply they are against war, and the death penalty. Was Wallingford a Liberal? Probably why he lost! LOL (I hope everyone gets my point with these poor and sad excuses for political lividity)

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:04 PM

Semoangle,

Thanks I will check that out.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:05 PM

Not a "really" a roast, but yeah...it's certainly a trap for any conservative who likes to throw out the liberal labels soo....liberally. I would have examined the answer of whomever decided to tell me what a TRUE CONSERVATIVE is. Hmm a roast, that sounds so cruel, and unusual....LOL, but well deserved in some instances on this forum.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:08 PM

*knocking on wood* It does appear that my roast of sorts has clammed up conservababe. Perhaps she realized she put her foot in her mouth. And yeah...I'll be holding on to her quote for quite a while. I may need it again as election time grows near.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:12 PM

Great post Robert Goodbody! You can't get much more Patiotic than your 11:11AM post.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:21 PM

Can I ask, how is it you are all for killing a baby, yet will allow a mass murderer to sit in jail rather than face the death penalty? How is it that it's ok to kill a baby, yet not ok for us to enter into a war? Your question is stupid.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:21 PM

BoratObama, what question is stupid?? The one about what is the definition of a TRUE conservative? Would you care to answer it?? You seem angry, can you clear up this mystery for us?

As for me, I have stated I am a personally a Pro-Lifer, I'm unsure as to what you are talking about?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:25 PM

Angry? Me? Hahahahaha....I love how you Libs say "you sound angry" when you have no answers whatsoever. Same old stupid rhetoric. Yea..you really roasted me...hahahaha. By the way you never answered my question....they do the Libs feel it's ok to kill a baby, yet not ok to enforce the death penalty. Hahahahaha...I'm waiting for you to roast me again.....

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:27 PM

MeLange and Twiggy

What 'things' are changing? Your definition of a conservative is a very simplistic dictionary term. Conservatives are not against change but true conservatives still adhere to their truths, principles and convictions.

I still say that conservatives 'think' and liberals 'feel'. Liberals, thus, are buffeted around by every issue because they have no core values to fall back on.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:28 PM

To answer YOUR question. Yes it's stupid. Probably sounds pretty familiar to you.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:29 PM

No state has true open primaries. Louisiana used to have one but it was struck down as being unconstitutional by the state Supreme Court.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:32 PM

My only problem with the Death Penalty is that they take to long to do it, I think it is a waste of tax payer dollars to keep someone on death row for 10 or 20 years.

I do not believe in abortion, there are alot of people out there who would love to have a child and can't. I wish more people would take care not to get pregnant instead of opting for an abortion. If you don't want a child than you should be responsible enough to keep from getting pregnant, or put the baby up for adoption.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:33 PM

Has everyone gotten their popcorn and adult beverages for the circus tonight? giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:34 PM

BoratObama,

Yeah...I know. You're afraid if you answer the question that it will be revealed that you're a liberal. It's ok.

As far as your question, I can't answer it. #1 by Babe's definition, I am not a liberal, and #2 I'm a Pro-lifer. ( a real one, not a politically motivated one)

Babe, welcome back. I knew you'd chime back in as soon as I mentioned your name! You're soo predictable, but I still love and cherish your posts.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:40 PM

"true conservatives still adhere to their truths, principles and convictions"

Convictions...hmmm. Is that a thought process? Or a feeling?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:42 PM

Doctor,

Do you ever feel like Bob Dylan? The answer my friend is blowin in the wind..... I believe our conservative "want to be" friends have selective reading capabilities. Perhaps this is what makes one a true conservative...see what you want, even if it is not there....say what you want, even though it digs a big hole, and by all means, carry a big stick!

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:43 PM

Doctor

Let's make this easy for you. Why not ask me a direct question on an issue and I will give you my beliefs? Do you want to start with abortion?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:46 PM

The_Doctor,

I would be interested to know your definition of a True Conservative" and "True Liberal". I have to admit I am growing weary of all of this after two days. Yeah, I know it is my fault for reading it and will probably remedy that in the next few minutes.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:47 PM

"Conservatives are not against change but true conservatives still adhere to their truths, principles and convictions"

AND

"A true conservative takes responsibility and consequences for his actions and choices in life."

-- Posted by BABE

Honestly, both of these answers are very vague,and could equally describe liberals or conservatives.

Can't you Conservatives tell me any ONE thing that is a characteristic of being Conservative? Or Conservative Principles? Conservative Truths? Or Conservative Convictions?

What defines someone as a conservative. Herr? Where are you? Surely you in all your flippant wisdom can sincerely answer these questions.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:53 PM

Doc

Are you going to ask me a specific question on an issue or not?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 2:57 PM

Babe, sure...if that will make it EASIER for you, go ahead, shoot from the hip.

Red, as many times as I've been called a liberal, how in the world can "I" tell "you" what a conservative is? Additionally, as many times as YOU and others have labeled people as liberals, then YOU should have a good grasp on what a liberal is. Right? I mean...you wouldn't go around calling people a liberal unless you really knew they were a liberal would you?

The floor is Babe's and yours. I'm ready for all this intellectual, "thinking" wisdom that is going to explain to me what a TRUE conservative is. After all, if you want folks to convert and think and do as you do...we need to know that Pertinent information that will allow us to convert to Conservatism.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 3:00 PM

A true Conservative has a closed mind to anything new.

-- Posted by changedname on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 3:01 PM

giggle, giggle, giggle!!!!

-- Posted by changedname on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 3:02 PM

Babe,

How much more simple does it have to be?

Question one: Are you a Conservative? (Well, I know the anwser to that one. You've said many times in here that you are.

Ok...that's established. Which should make question two even easier. In fact, I'll be gentle on you.

Question two: What makes you a conservative? What beliefs, principles, convictions and truths (of yours) are conservative? (true conservative)

That's just about as plain as I can put it.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 3:05 PM

Doc,

Don't think I have ever called anyone a liberal or conservative that I can remember. I try not to use liberal or conservative as labels and certainly not as pejoratives. I have said on here before that my nearest and dearest friend is a self proclaimed liberal and is the nicest most caring person I have ever known. Most people consider me to be conservative in my political views, but I am not sure I would call myself a "Conservative". Of course that I suppose would depend on what the definition of a "Conservative" is.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 3:08 PM

Doc

Do you want to ask me my beliefs on a specific issue or continue the myopic rhetoric? In other words.....**** or ******* the pot!

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 3:08 PM

Hilleco, my point is that the "liberal" label is thrown around this room in vularity. It is used to demean other posters. I'm posing a simple question to the "self-proclaimed" conservatives that use the word so loosely. Additionally, I am attempting to have them explain to me what a conservative is, just so I'm not confused when someone is called a liberal. Do you get my point??

Sheesh. I thought a lot of you were SICK of being called Liberals. I'm fighting your fight.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 3:09 PM

but I am not sure I would call myself a "Conservative". Of course that I suppose would depend on what the definition of a "Conservative" is.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, 2:08 pm CDT

Then we shall discover it together.

Babe. If you can't tell me what YOUR conservative beliefs, truths, principles, and convictions are...the I can only come to the conclusion that you are inquestion or questioning your own political beliefs. Are you secretly that very thing that you dispise? A liberal?

It's easy Babe, what are YOUR "self-proclaimed" Conservative beliefs, truths, convictions, and principles. You either have the answers, or you don't.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 3:14 PM

This freakin' #*%@ 'puter! Finally get a handle on one glitch, only to get nailed by others. Oh, well, moot point anyway, 'cause I gotta get to swimming. But, is it gonna storm or not??! It may knock out the 'puter again but, on the up side, it may get me out of doing laps too!!

Well, the CCCL riot parties in Denver seem to be progressing nicely. Great! Will have to rush back and watch all the fun.

Wow! It seems Pups is back. Welcome back Pups, snit or not...we all have 'em, or just get bored now and then! Can't help asking though. Did you really take some time off, or did Instructor manage to abduct you for a little complimentary "R&R" at one of his re-indoctrination camps?! Gee, couldn't resist asking. Anyway, nice to see ya again.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 3:16 PM

Babe,

Do you need examples? Here I'll help.

I personally believe in Pro-life. (this makes me conservative.)

Do you get it yet? It's an easy test. You either know yourself, or you don't.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 3:17 PM

Have a good afternoon, I'm out.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 3:36 PM

Doc

I am anti-abortion for any reason whatsoever. Roe vs Wade snuck in the Supreme Court as a 'privacy' issue and has escalated to this 'pro choice' crappola. Medical intervention has progressed to the point of having no reason to abort because of the 'health of the mother'. Babies resulting in the circumstances of rape or abuse should not be killed because of the circumstances of their conception.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 3:39 PM

Medical intervention has progressed to the point of having no reason to abort because of the 'health of the mother'.

Simply not true, I know someone personally, and I told the story before.

Gee babe, thought you could do better....

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 3:44 PM

Anarcho-capitalist...!!I love it.

Absolutely,lets get rid of the Government all together.

We would indeed be better off!We would also be better off if the "Doctor" didn't spend all his time eaten alive by politics.As for me I am a human being with many different opinions.I do not believe in the "Death penalty" its nothing more than revenge!

I do not believe that abortion would be my choice but still believe I agree with the Supreme Court ruling.

I do not believe Iam a conservative cause Mrs.wolf says I don't conserve anything!I could be a liberal

cause yesterday I tried to liberate that coon from my dogs jaws!I think I am an "anarchist" at least I Know Mrs.Wolf would certainly think so.As I have stated here before,

"POLITICS" definition:"Poli",more than three and "tics" MEANING BLOOD SUCKERS!Oh,and I do not believe in "bigfoot"!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 4:16 PM

I'm waiting for Babe's answer to Hilleco's question. Why then do you support the Republicans?

My thought: If the abortion issue was overturned, what could the Republicans drag out every election cycle? They use it and don't want to overturn it...it's to important to their re-election. IMO

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 5:21 PM

OK Babe, I like the way you carefully postured your answer to this question.

I've never heard a Conservative respond to say they are "anti-abortion." So I have to ask this question. If you are "anti-abortion," are you Pro-Life?

Or...just as plainly. Are you Pro-life?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 5:33 PM

suelynn, if what I think is correct, Babe's no fool. She answered "anti-abortion" for a reason. The real question I now want answered is, Is she Pro-life?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 5:35 PM

Actually, I think Republicans have accomplished much in eliminating abortions. It's akin to boiling a frog in wine...just turn up the heat a little at a time. Opposition to partial birth abortions caused citizens to realize how gruesome, repugnant and unnessary it is, really. Their stand has influenced PA's to bring charges of fetal death if a woman's fetus is killed along with herself. They have influenced judges to recognize that a father has choices, too, in the decision of abortion. I'm not disappointed in Republicans.

-- Posted by BABE on Fri, Aug 22, 2008, 11:09 am CDT

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 5:37 PM

Hilleco, I'll hit you up on that one at another time. Right now I want to cipher out the foundational definitions. Wow, neo-conservatives, anarcho-capitalists, you really want to get philosophical now, don't you? LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 5:38 PM

The_Doctor, thank you for proving my theory of the Ignorant Liberal. All talk, no substance.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 5:40 PM

Hell, if you can kill them before they're even born, then they should be able to drink as soon as they leave the womb.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 5:45 PM

I am not pro-life. I believe in the dealth penalty, killing of enemies in war and the assassination of despots that threation our national security.

Any other questions?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 5:50 PM

What I find funny are those that think it's ok to kill a baby near term, yet whine about putting to death a child rapist. BTW, I'm neither conservative nor liberal, I'm able to think for myself, unlike some posting today, who'd rather make fun of those that don't agree with him rather than actually debate. He's like a silent ****. No one knows where he came from, but he sure does stink.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 5:53 PM

The Republicans owe the Catholics an apology? I agree, but first, I'd like the Democrats apologized to the Black Community for the years of making promise after promise, taking their vote for granted, only to treat them as if they're back on the plantation.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 5:58 PM

Dang...I can say dang, right? I didn't realize that f-a-r-t was a baaaaaaaaad word.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 5:59 PM

Borat, you've conveniently forgotten to give me "your" version of conservatism. Between you, and Babe...it seems you're having doubts. Are you sure you're not a liberal? Come on, you're around friends...you can come out of the closet now. *giggle*

Babe, once again, you've proved me right. You're soo predictable. Most TRUE Conservatives boast themselves to be Pro-Life; however, you have bucked the system and went outside the norm of your own party. You Liberal! Yes...it appears this forum doesn't have ANY TRUE Conservative in it. As it appears to me, Liberal is a label shared by anyone that posts here.

That being said, if anyone else wants to really meet the challenge...by all means go right ahead.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 6:11 PM

Borat, it seems you don't realize that YOU are in a debate. I'm just waiting for a response to my answers. Since you have now admitted your neither Liberal or Conservative, I must ask...what are you?? You're liberal...You know the party "Conservative Party Line" You're either with them or against them. Soo...if you're not with them...You're out, case closed...you've lost this round. Liberal!!!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 6:15 PM

The Republicans owe the Catholics an apology? I agree, but first, I'd like the Democrats apologized to the Black Community for the years of making promise after promise, taking their vote for granted, only to treat them as if they're back on the plantation.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, 4:58 pm CDT

Are you serious? Who led the way in the Civil Rights Movement...the Dems or the Rep? Which group has a candidate for president?

-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 6:17 PM

Oh...Babe, I do have another question, if you care to take the debate? Are you a Christian? Oh wait...you're not Pro-Life, so I guess you're not. Never mind.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 6:17 PM

"Are you serious?" Suelynn, unfortunately when it comes to Borat Obama...ignorance is bliss. Without a doubt, he is serious.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 6:20 PM

Borat...thanks for the Ignorant Liberal comment. I'll be sure to note that you were the first to make a personal attack.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 6:21 PM

Abe Lincoln, a Republican, led the Civil Rights movement. It was a Democrat that began the Klan, and it was the Democrats, for the most part Klan members, who were responsible for the murders and lynchings of civil rights workers in the south.

So yes, the Democrats owe the Black Community an apology. They take them for granted, and expect them to act like the good little plantation workers and support them, altough they treat them like garbage.

Hell, if not for Democrats we wouldn't be in Iraq today. Spineless Jimmy Carter, and "Let Me Check the Polls Before I ***********" Clinton are the reason we are where we are. Democrats are spineless, populist weaklings with no understanding of the meaning of honor or sacrifice.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 6:30 PM

I didn't call you an Ignorant Liberal, I just said you proved my point. Me calling you an Ignorant Liberal was an assumption you made on your own. If I had wanted to call you an Ignorant Liberal, I would have called you an Ignorant Liberal. But we all know that there is really no such thing as an Ignorant Liberal, or at least not in their mind, because their repugnant, self-righteousness won't allow it any other way.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 6:34 PM

Actually suelynn, if you read your history, no Dem or Republican led the Civil Rights movement. It was courageous people like Martin Luther King, John Lewis, Rosa Parks, and many others who were willing to put their life on the line for their beliefs.

To LBJ, Martin Luther King was nothing but a distraction from the Vietnam War mess in which the Democrats and their military establishment buddies got us in to and like today the Republicans were expected to clean up after.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 6:39 PM

I haven't posted for a while, but I'd like to put my two cents in about the liberal/conservative debate. I think you are either one based on how you feel about the rights of others more than your beliefs. For instance, I have mostly conservative views, but I don't go off on someone who believes in stuff that I don't support. I think abortion for the sake of birth control is wrong. Pregnancy after intentionally unprotected sex is a consequence, not a choice. You're just pregnant, you don't choose to be or not be pregnant, your choice was whether or not to use birth control. As far as the case of rape and incest, well, it has never happened to me and if someone chose abortion over birth, in that situation, I would not blame them. I know several women who have had abortions and apparently living with that choice afterwards is often very difficult. Why should I run them out of town on a rail for doing something with which I have no experience. I think marriage should be between a guy and girl, but I know two guys who have been in a monogomous relationship for 15 years and not being married doesn't make them any less gay. So, if they wanted to get married and get all the benefits of that, I say let them. They've made it longer than half the straight married couples I know and same-sex marriage is no more a disgrace to "marriage" than a straight couple who gets divorced in five months. Am I conservative or liberal? I think I'm a conservative minded person with a liberal attitude. It seems like liberals get defined as "anything goes as long as it goes in line with what I say" and conservatives get the rap of "nothing goes unless it goes in line with what I say". It sounds the same because neither one is ok with the other one's viewpoint. This is only based on the experiences I've had and is not meant to be portrayed as fact.

-- Posted by happy1a on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 6:44 PM

suelynn

You need a history lesson, dear.

[edit] Passage in the House of Representatives

The bill was sent to the House of Representatives, and referred to the House Judiciary Committee, chaired by Emmanuel Celler. After a series of hearings on the bill, Celler's committee greatly strengthened the act, adding provisions to ban racial discrimination in employment. The bill was reported out of the Judiciary Committee in November 1963, but was then referred to the Rules Committee, whose chairman, Howard W. Smith, a Democrat from Virginia, indicated his intention to keep the bill bottled up indefinitely.

It was at this point that President Kennedy was assassinated. The new president, Lyndon Johnson, utilized his experience in legislative politics and the bully pulpit he wielded as president in support of the bill.

Because of Smith's stalling of the bill in the Rules Committee, Celler filed a petition to discharge the bill from the Committee. Only if a majority of members signed the discharge petition would the bill move directly to the House floor without consideration by advocates. Initially Johnson had a difficult time acquiring the signatures necessary, as even many congressmen who supported the civil rights bill itself were cautious about violating House procedure with the discharge petition. By the time of the 1963 winter recess, fifty signatures were still wanting.

On the return from the winter recess, however, matters took a significant turn. The President's public advocacy of the Act had made a difference of opinion in congressmen's home districts, and soon it became apparent that the petition would acquire the necessary signatures. To prevent the humiliation of the success of the petition, Chairman Smith allowed the bill to pass through the Rules Committee.

The bill was brought to a vote in the House on February 10, 1964, and passed by a vote of 290 to 130, and sent to the Senate.

[edit] Passage in the Senate

Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X at the United States Capitol on March 26, 1964. Both men had come to hear the Senate debate on the bill. This was the only time the two men ever met; their meeting lasted only one minute.[3][4]Johnson, who wanted the bill passed as soon as possible, ensured that the bill would be quickly considered by the Senate. Normally, the bill would have been referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee, chaired by Senator James O. Eastland, Democrat from Mississippi. Under Eastland's care, it seemed impossible that the bill would reach the Senate floor. Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield took a novel approach to prevent the bill from being relegated to Judiciary Committee limbo. Having initially waived a second reading of the bill, which would have led to it being immediately referred to Judiciary, Mansfield gave the bill a second reading on February 26, 1964, and then proposed, in the absence of precedent for instances when a second reading did not immediately follow the first, that the bill bypass the Judiciary Committee and immediately be sent to the Senate floor for debate. Although this parliamentary move led to a brief filibuster, the senators eventually let it pass, preferring to concentrate their resistance on passage of the bill itself.

The bill came before the full Senate for debate on March 30, 1964 and the "Southern Bloc" of southern Senators led by Richard Russell (D-GA) launched a filibuster to prevent its passage. Said Russell "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states."[5]

After 54 days of filibuster, Senators Everett Dirksen (R-IL), Thomas Kuchel (R-CA), Hubert Humphrey (D-MN), and Mike Mansfield (D-MT) introduced a substitute bill that they hoped would attract enough Republican votes to end the filibuster. The compromise bill was weaker than the House version in regards to government power to regulate the conduct of private business, but it was not so weak as to cause the House to reconsider the legislation.[6]

On the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) completed an address that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes earlier opposing the legislation. Until then, the measure had occupied the Senate for 57 working days, including six Saturdays. A day earlier, Democratic Whip Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota, the bill's manager, concluded he had the 67 votes required at that time to end the debate and end the filibuster. With six wavering senators providing a four-vote victory margin, the final tally stood at 71 to 29. Never in history had the Senate been able to muster enough votes to cut off a filibuster on a civil rights bill. And only once in the 37 years since 1927 had it agreed to cloture for any measure.[7]

Shortly thereafter, the substitute (compromise) bill passed the Senate by a vote of 73-27, and quickly passed through the House-Senate conference committee, which adopted the Senate version of the bill. The conference bill was passed by both houses of Congress, and was signed into law by President Johnson on July 2, 1964. Legend has it that as he put down his pen Johnson told an aide, "We have lost the South for a generation."[8]

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:02 PM

I'm tired of hearing Liberal/Conservative all the time the civil war ended in 1865. We as a nation need to be united working together instead of working against one another all the time. UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:06 PM

swampeastmissouri has posted the smartest thing in a

long time....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:12 PM

The Democrats Modern Day Plantation

Many Black Americans are trapped on the Fascist/Liberal plantation. They are enslaved in a bondage that is more obscene than any endured during their experiences prior to the Civl War. The Fascists/ Liberals keep Black Americans enslaved on the Fascist/ Liberal plantation by addicting them to governmental handouts which destroy their self respect and their capacity for self redemption.

After the Civl War, Black Americans just changed one set of owners for another. Today, their owners are people like Clinton, Obama, Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, Ted Kennedy, and all the Liberals who deliberately addict blacks to Federal handouts in order to force them to stay beholding to their Liberal massa's.

These slaves on the Fascists/ Liberal plantation need to find the true path to self respect and self sustainment. They need to stop following prophets of hate and subservience like Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan and instead find real independence and success through the application of principles espoused by Thomas Sowell, Alan Keyes, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, etc. Black Americans need to realize that their masters (like Clinton, Gephardt, Frank, Kennedy, Jackson, Farrakhan, Biden, Rivers, Stabenow, Gore, etc.) care NOTHING for their success and, indeed, profit mightily by the continued enslavement of Black Americans.

Only through the rejection of Federal paternalistic enslavement will Black Americans free themselves to become prosperous, self fulfilled members of society.

Too many black Americans have been trapped on this liberal plantation and feel beholden to the Democrats for keeping the gravy train rolling. There are two types of people who escape the trappings of this liberal plantation. There are those who break the shackles or who have rejected them all their lives. These are the J.C. Watts, the Colin Powells, the Clarence Thomases. Those too frightened to make a run for it call these people ''Uncle Toms.'' The others who escape the trappings become the foremen on the plantation. They crack the whip on those below them and keep them too scared to leave, becoming rich in the process. These are the Al Sharptons and the Jesse Jacksons. What these purveyors of fear and racism don't realize is that there are a lot of people who now realize that the key to their happiness rests within themselves and not the government.

PS. Hitler was a Democrat. :-)

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:16 PM

Happy

There is no safe birth control even with a tubal ligation or vasectomy. If a person chooses to have sex then that person should be responsible if a baby is conceived. There is no reason to kill the baby because the birth control failed or if they don't use any.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:19 PM

"swampeastmissouri has posted the smartest thing in a

long time....

-- Posted by Rick.Scaggs on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, 6:12 pm CDT "

I agree, thus, all my chain yanking. What can I say, it's a hobby..... :-)

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:19 PM

As far as racial justice goes, I am not sure either party has exactly covered themselves in glory. It is embarrassing that we talk about pre existing "rights" as those embodied in the Bill of Rights and yet it has taken so long to come even close to acknowledging those "rights" are for all races.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:29 PM

swamp

Does 'united we stand, divided we fall' really mean 'look for the union label'? giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:29 PM

Red

Perhaps you are correct but the black man did get to vote long before any woman in the USA.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:34 PM

BABE

That's pretty much what I was saying. Choosing to have sex and/or choosing to us BC is just that, a choice. If I killed all the people who were an inconvenience to me, there would be drop in population. I personally believe that the fact that someone is going to make it hard on me does not constitute me killing them. People are worth more than my comfort. However, a 13 year old girl who has been raped by her father since she was 8 isn't participating in a choice of whether or not she has sex or uses protection. Either way, full term pregnancy or abortion, it's going to be awful for her and she is paying the price for that dad's sickness. As for the dad in that situation, at the very least, he should never be free to prey on children again.

-- Posted by happy1a on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:39 PM

To counter recent false and misleading attack ads by John McCain on Barack Obama’s tax proposals, here is the gist of Obama’s tax plan for America.

Obama would reverse the Bush tax policy, which heavily favors the mega-rich. He would lower taxes for the poor and middle class families (below $150,000), increase taxes for the rich, those earning upwards of $250,000 a year, and simplify it so most Americans could file in five minutes.

He would eliminate all taxes on seniors making less than $50,000 and they would not have to file.

He would give 150 million working Americans up to a $500 tax credit.

To help fix the Social Security System, he would apply a tax of 2-4% on all incomes above $250,000.

It’s clear from his proposals that Barack Obama is not beholden to the wealthy and powerful, the corporations or lobbyists. He is for the average American.

On the other hand, John McCain would make the Bush tax cuts for the rich permanent. On August 16th, McCain defined the rich as those making more than $5 million a year and those making less as middle class. This elitist notion places him way out of the mainstream. Of course being married to a multi-millionaire beer heiress will do that to you.

Whose tax plan is the best for you and the best for America?

Sources: www.FactCheck.org

-- Posted by cliffcleland on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:41 PM

I have a message for those Hillary supporters who say they cannot support Barack Obama. They give vague reasons like,

I don’t know him well enough, or, He doesn’t have the experience and other vague reasons.

One might infer that they are responding as spoiled brats who quit in the middle of a game not going their way, or worse, they could be closet –racists.

To them I say, Get over it. Get on board. Get with the program.

Unify the party. Unify the country. Vote for Barack Obama.

-- Posted by cliffcleland on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:43 PM

Doc,

If that was a roast...then I saw better last weekend when my team placed 11th overall.

You asked what a conservative was? Actually, it was in a snarky condesending sort of manner, likened to a House of Tudor 17th century court request to the masses.

MeLange,

I'm not offened by the breakdown. I consider it a psych evaluation by an armchair quarterback. But I love how there were the "me too me too" comments. And when I was clearly being sarcastic (ie. the racist comment) Doc was either too dense or the joke was lost/wasted and I am just going to have to revert to my war mongering, gun toting, God fearing (Catholic), comments because that's what he see's.

I like the guy in the mirror when I wakeup each morning. I help those, even those not deserving, but I still do. I guess I'm not all that compassionate.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:44 PM

Would John McCain start a war to win an election? Maybe.

Is it a coincidence or do these facts add up to just that?

Randy Scheunemann is McCain’s chief foreign policy advisor and until recently, lobbyist for Republic of Georgia working for his close friend, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili. In the last four years in that capacity he earned $800,000 and met 49 times with McCain’s staff. Scheunemann took a leave of absence on April 17, 2008 from that job to take over his full time role with the McCain campaign.

Scheunemann is well know as a neoconservative who served as Director of the Project for the New American Century, a really scary group. While working on the 2000 McCain he headed the Committee for Liberation of Iraq and championed the invasion of Iraq.

Last month Karl Rove, Republican campaign strategist but not foreign policy advisor, attended a strategy meeting in Crimea, Ukraine along with the Georgian President, Saakashvili.

Two Georgian districts, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, have enjoyed defacto autonomy since the 1990’s and only Russia recognized their self-declared independence. Georgian military forces recently launched a military offensive to re-take control of these districts which was followed by a quick Russian military response in which the Georgian forces were thoroughly routed with Russian forces occupying much of Georgia.

McCain, who has been demonizing Russia and Putin, used the opportunity to release a bellicose and ultimatum-like response to Russia. Then he called Obama’s response weak. Obama’s response was very much like the one coming from the White House. Later on the White House fell in line and picked up the language of McCain.

Are we to believe that the President of Georgia ordered an invasion of a territory sure to produce an overwhelming counter reaction from Russia without assurance from influential Americans, like Scheunemann, that the U.S and NATO would rescue them. Georgia may never recover from this blunder.

This raises certain questions. Are we to believe this confluence of these people and events was just a coincidence? I don’t.

Are the neocons and McCain capable of such treachery? Would Karl Rove get involved in this kind of mischief? Would the right wing and McCain throw the Republic of Georgia under the bus and risk reentry into the cold war to gain political advantage for McCain? Probably.

Source: www.truthdig.com

-- Posted by cliffcleland on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:45 PM

Cliff

I have a question because I am not really up on what the POTUS can actually do on his own power alone. So I'm not being confrontational, I really am asking a question. Can Obama follow through on the tax cut promise without the support/approval of Congress and if not, would Congress support tax increases for those making $250K+? (ie, do those in Congress make over that amount?)

-- Posted by happy1a on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:49 PM

Struggling with definitions, came up with these - in no particular order

One group asks, "how much government do we need?"

The other group asks, "how little government do we need?"

One group looks at change and asks, "why?".

The other group looks at change and asks, "why not?".

Consider the difference in perspectives leading to the questions.

***** - no, not a bleeped word, just using asteriks as a convenient divider :-)

As to the CEO pay issue - suggest that the Board of Directors of the given companies need to be the ones answering. A compensation package is a negotiated affair that usually must be approved by the Board. Not aware of any CEOs that get to cut their own check. If a CEO is making a boatload of money, then he/she is most likely exceeding the criteria outlined in the negotiated compensation package. Whether that's due to true excellent performance, or just poor negotiations on the part of the Board is open for interpretation.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 7:56 PM

Wow, it appears that the Missourian is going to let me post comments again--at least for now! There were a few really good and/or interesting posts I'd like to have commented on.

Thank you, Pups, for your explanation about why you stopped posting lately. It made me stop and think, and I appreciate that. So, after reflection...Yep, that's a problem with me, too...the temptation to leave comments that I'd probably regret later...comments that are not really in keeping with my basic personality--getting unnecessarily caught up in...well, you know...

You are (among others here, of course) indeed a wise person! It's okay if now and then you need to remind me to 'cool it.' ;-)

Do have a comment on your 6:16 pm post, BoratObama: IMO, you are pretty much correct. It was so tiring and frustrating, while working for a state university, to hear some wonderful Black professors, and even many Black students who refused to be associated with Minority Student Affairs, being called things like 'Oreos.' Unfortunately, racial divisions are kept alive, for various reasons (generally money & votes), by Whites and Blacks both.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 8:13 PM

Melange

You said:

Silent_Bob,

"I just think charity should be left up to the people not the government."

(I did say That)

First, how do you define charity?

( Giving your money or your services without expecting anything in return)

Second, who do you think government is?

( It ain't me babe)

Third, there are those (and it is a MUCH larger percentage than most realize) that do NOT plan for adversity.

(Poor planning on their part does not constitute an emergency action on my part)

Fourth, there are many who are all about me-me-me...and do not help even a relative who IS indeed in need (a quick visit to a nursing home proves this point, many never even get a visit from a relative). And why should this be my problem?

As I stated yesterday I give generously to the ones I CHOOSE TO GIVE TO. Nobody and I do mean Nobody has the right to tell me how, when or where to give what is mine.

Melange: its obvious that you have a great big heart!!

and I applaud that. Just keep your sticky little fingers out of my pocket. BECAUSE I wanted it, I worked for it, I saved for it, I paid for it and I was Taxed for it at each and every step of the way.

Your right Its Mine, Mine, Mine!!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 8:40 PM

Hilleco,

Yes, basically all politicians are guilty of the taking thier supports for granted. The Republicans takes the "religious right" for granted, just as the Dems in turn take the Black Community for granted. The Black Community has very conservative values, but side with the Democrats (the White Guilt Party) because of all the handouts they promise. The handouts, in turn, do nothing to help the community or the people of the communtity better itself.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 8:42 PM

Comic relief:

I was talking to a friend of mine's little girl the other day. I asked her what she wanted to be when she grew up and she replied, 'I want to be President!' Both of her parents are liberal Democrats and were standing there. So then I asked her, 'If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?'

She replied, 'I'd give houses to all the homeless people.'

'Wow - what a worthy goal.' I told her, 'You don't have to wait until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where this homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward a new house.'

Since she is only 6, she thought that over for a few seconds. While her Mom glared at me, she looked me straight in the eye and asked, 'Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?'

And I said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party .'

Her folks still aren't talking to me.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 8:51 PM

Welfare is modern slavery intended to keep minorities on the Democrats' plantation .

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 9:11 PM

Is anyone watching the convention?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 9:13 PM

Her folks still aren't talking to me.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, 7:51 pm CDT

foregive me if I'm wrong but your not taking credit for that story are you??

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 9:24 PM

Noooooo...it was a joke sent to me by a co-worker.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 9:26 PM

10-4 thats what I thought!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 9:28 PM

...what convention?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 9:29 PM

...same here. What convention? I'd rather watch the neighbors dog take a poo than watch either convention.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 9:32 PM

On Spay and Neuter:

The Humane Society of Southeast Missouri has a T-Shirt that says it best….

“See Dick

See Dick’s dog.

See Dick’s dog have puppies.

See Dick’s dog’s puppies get euthanized.

Don’t be a dick.”

You can get one here: http://www.semopets.org/Shop.html

-- Posted by hmmm1 on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 9:42 PM

Senator Biden will have a terrific pension, please dont be concerned about his finances. He sent his kids thru school as I understand.

-- Posted by changedname on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 9:47 PM

Senator Ted Kennedy just finished speaking, but I doubt many from here was listening. Quite a speech.

-- Posted by changedname on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 9:49 PM

Well, I've waited two hours for an answer to my question regarding cliffcleland's 6:41 post and I don't know if the silence is the answer or he had somewhere else to be, but I'm out. G'nite.

-- Posted by happy1a on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 9:49 PM

Borat....

Biden only has a net worth of $70K and is in his 60's

Perhaps he is benevolent and philanthropic, instead of hoarding it for himself...

Oh, and I think you owe the Black Citizens of our country an apology for your choice of avatar.

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 9:59 PM

Sorry....I made a mistake.

My previous post should have been directed to Who Me!

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:01 PM

Senator Ted Kennedy just finished speaking, but I doubt many from here was listening. Quite a speech.

-- Posted by dexterite on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, 8:49 pm CDT

He said exactly what I expected!!

blah blah blah, Health care

blah blah blah, black, white

blah blah blah,, gay, straight

blah blah And more blah

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:02 PM

Thank you Theorist, and maybe you should apologize for your avatar since you have a hard time discerning the truth.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:04 PM

I listened to him and the tribute to him. Strange, Mary Jo was never mentioned. She could have possibly lived 39 more years if he hadn't left her to die.

Three hours into the circus and media is reporting infighting between the super delegates. It's not a done deal, folks.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:06 PM

Theorist,

BTW, just what do you take my avatar to mean? Your racism is showing through.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:06 PM

Will Russia, our "friend", become Russia our Saviour?

cliffcleland....You wrote

"Are the neocons and McCain capable of such treachery? Would Karl Rove get involved in this kind of mischief? Would the right wing and McCain throw the Republic of Georgia under the bus and risk reentry into the cold war to gain political advantage for McCain? Probably.

Source: www.truthdig.com"

-- Posted by cliffcleland on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, 6:45 pm CDT "

Wow, a very indepth, well thought out, well researched post. The answer to all of your questions is, YES. Yes, they would.

For the last couple years, I have wondered just how well, the perfect for-profit enemy, "terrorism" is working out for the neocons who infest this government.

I believe that when they first embarked upon the "terrorism", that they thought that they would make a lot of money for their friends in various sectors of the militiary-industrial complex, advance their globalist, imperialist agenda, and bring about a more totalitarian-fascist America.

For couple years, following Nine-Eleven, it worked pretty well for them. New friends, like Blackwater, and old friends like Halliburton made millions, America was energized, or, stuptified, by the new enemy, "terrorism," imperialism had started off rather well with the bloody invasion of Iraq, and Afghanistan, resulting in the killing of their government's leaders, the "regime change" that they had for over a decade desired, accomplished by the installation of puppet governments in both Iraq, and Afghanistan, the economic looting of Iraq, and progress on building a Caspian Sea pipeline across Afghanistan.

Then, the people of Iraq and Afghanistan rose up against their bloody occupiers. They formed groups of local Iraqis who began to kill the occupiers in huge numbers. The imperialist agenda of the neocons suddenly began to generate discontent at home. Knowing that some of the people in America were awakening to the neocon schemes; that short of another inside-job Nine-Eleven event, that they might lose the popular support in America for an ongoing, never ending, perfect enemy, "terrorism." So, I believe that they began to look around for a new, previously successful enemy. What better enemy to replace the perfect enemy, than an old familiar enemy? Russia. If Russia wasn't enough to grasp the weaking imagination of the dolt American, the neocons were willing to investigate the possiblity of tossing a little agitation of "red China" for icing on the "new enemy" cake.

Going back to the old familiar enemy of Russia, would create wealth for other sectors of the military-industrial complex of which Republican President Eisenhower gravely warned us to beware of in his farewell address.

Instead of heeding President Eisenhower's stern warning, we have bought into the escalation of gross funding that complex for our "security." Today, funding the fascist arrangement between our government and select "good buddy "corporations, unfortunately, is as "American" as apple pie and Pepsi.

I believe that for years, even during the Clinton years, that there was a testing of the waters to come up with a ready made "new, but familiar" enemy, Russia.

If their "terrorism," enemy, which on paper looks perfect, because the government can keep declaring groups, countries, and people as terrorists, FOREVER, thus ensuring that the military-industrial complex will make millions, if not billions in tax dollars as we "fight terrorism," fell short of being the perfect, ongoing enemy, they needed a replacement enemy right away so that they could keep the tax money flowing to their friends.

With Russia, I am uncertain as to whether their resurgence, and re-emergence on the scene as a possible new-old enemy, is the result of the legitimate surfacing of a Russian world view contrary to the neocons and this Bush regime.

I don't have a good grasp about it. Outwardly, it does appear that there could be a welcomed resurgance of a "we ain't taking no BS from you imperalists" Russian view. I do like the fact that Russia did deal with some of it's neocon oligarchy effectively. Many of them who were rising up to loot Russia in the finest tradition of hubris, and greed, were either imprisoned, or, deceased. Would we be so agressive in dealing with our corrput class of elite, then we wouldn't have an oil crisis, a housing crisis, nor, most of the other ills that we currently endure.

I hope that the preceived resurgence of Russia is real. We can deal with that. What makes me question whether it is real, or, not rests on several things that I have observed over the years.

When Putin came to power, for the most part, he was an unknown in the west. Clinton was in power and his Secretary of State, Madeline Albright appeared on Meet the Press. The host asked her one Sunday morning, her opinion on whether the American government would be able to work with this new Russian leader.

Albright's reply, and I quote, almost perfectly was, " President Clinton has called Mr. Putin and discussed the Third Way with him. Mr. Putin seems to understand, so, I do believe that we can work with him."

A little research on the Third Way would benefit those who are unfamiiar with the concept. Bill Clinton became the master in the Third Way. Roughly, it is where one party gives up a little, say Clinton would committ to cracking down on freedom in America, and the Russians would give up something, say giving what appears to the rest of the world as a little more freedom their people, not being so confrontational, and be willing to allow a Central Bank, and investment by favored American corporations in Russia. By each side giving up a little, they would work together to make each other richer than Stoddard County topsoil, knowing that in return, that certain groups, namely the oridinary citizen of each country would suffer in varying degrees. That's the gist of the "Third Way." It is my own interpertation of it, but I believe it to be accurate.

So, now I question whether the seeming resurgeance of Russia as a "cold war" concern is real, or, if Putin has agreeded to his Thrid Way partner, the neocons in the Bush regime, that they will become the foil, the phoney enemy, as our imperialists back slowly away from "terrorism," and pick up the familiar old banners of fear, that they had packed away after the alleged fall of the Soviet Union.

What these neocons, these imperialists have done in the former Soviet Republics, is to establish American military bases. In the case of Poland and the CZECH Republic, that including installing missles and the radar systems to controll them. Our imperailsts have overthrown governments and instituted puppet regimes in former Soviet Republics, to the liking of the neocons. In the case of Georgia, the imperailsts, our neocons, have invited those regimes to join NATO, thus ringing Russia with potentially problematic regimes, not so favorable to the future and security of Russia.

Russia has a right to be concerned and to react in the manner which they have. Threatening to nuke Poland ,preemptively, ala the Bush doctrine, due to Poland's government allowing the imperialist neocons to place missile batteries, less than 105 miles from the Russian border, is a justified threat on the part of Russia and should be heeded by the imperialists.

Some favored military industrial-complex partner will manufacture the missiles and build the base in Poland. Another favored military-industrial complex corporation will manufacture and build the radar site in the CZECH Repbulic.

If Russia were to follow through on their threat and launch a nuclear attack on Poland, well, hells bells, that would take place in Poland, thousands of miles away from the fat cats in New York and Washington who are reaping millions, if not billions from their scheme in Europe. What is the downside? I should restate that. What is the downside for the American imperialists and neocons who made huge sums of money? Poland nuked? So what? Spring is still nice in the Catskills, their yatchs have plenty of fuel, their investments are soring from their treachery, there is no downside for them.

I can honestly say, that I don't know whether the resurgance of Russia as a cold war enemy, is real, or, part of a cooperative plan to keep the armanments and allied friends and corporations wealthy beyond belief.

If I had my druthers, it would be that Russia is awakening and will destroy our criminal element of imperalists and neocons. That they will stand trial for war crimes, and corrpuption, and possibly meet the fate of many of the Russian oligarchists.

A fellow can dream, can't he?

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:08 PM

Oh Bo rat......

I am always seeking the truth and standing for it when I find it.

That is why I keep talking to you....I stand you stink, I mean sink.....laughing

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:08 PM

Rat man..... you tell us all what your avatar means. I stood for mine, come on, be a man (I mean monkey)and stand up for yours...

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:11 PM

And next up is the profound speech from Michelle, the strong woman, who will tell us all about her husband.

All media are reporting that the opening night conveys 'no message'. Well, what did they expect when Obama has none other than 'change'?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:16 PM

Wow Goodbody (snicker)

Take a breath Mike, you'll get dizzy and fall of your chair!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:23 PM

Thanks for the heads up on the Michelle Obama speech being on now.

I am recording it. I think that Michelle Obama would make a fantastic First Lady. No offense meant to Senator Obama, but his wife is one hot lady. She is beautiful, intelligent, well spoken, poised, and she has a presence of gracefulness.

She could well be our most outstanding First Lady, since Jackie Kennedy.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:41 PM

Babe,

Just passing through, in reference to women voting, you are right on that one too.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:46 PM

WHO ME

Funny about the AK AK! Dumb movie, but cool avatar. I'm giving you a overdue knuckles.

I prefer BOOOOOOM!

Can Kennedy drink while on his cancer drugs?

Daddy was a bootlegger.

Brothers were better than him and he looks like the crossbreeding between Larry Flint and a Bulldog.

"Lil Timmy! Who will care for lil Timmy? hick..I'll drive. Chapah, Chipaqua..quitic? Watch out fer tha bridge."

SENATOR! Cliffsnotes version of Ted's Biography available on Amazon dot com.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:51 PM

Do you think Mrs Obama hits her husband with a shoe if he gets out line?

Kids are cute though. At least (if elected) we won't have worry about the girls drinking underaged like the Bush bimbos.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:57 PM

Get the mike away from the kid. Cuteness has evaporated!

-- Posted by fajar154 on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 10:58 PM

oligarchists...great word.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 11:36 PM

Speaking of political "daddies."

True, Joe Kennedy, a savvy businessman supplied the nectar of the Gods, or, of God, who as Jesus converted water into wine, to America's truly thirsty during the savage years brought upon this natioin by the ultra-alleged christian fundalmentalists.

I find no harm in that, nor, do I find any harm in a child, at the parent's discretion, being allowed to sample God's nectar in the confines of their castle, their home.

Now, these same fundalental wackos who caused great destruction, criminal activity, death and choas during their imposed prohibition period in America, have taken the rights of families, the rights of parents and squashed them as they sought to have laws against drinking by children in their own home, under the supervision of their parents, made into a bizarre crime to satisfy their perverted sense of justice as dictated by their wacky, illogical, unfounded religious beliefs.

Supplying delicious beverages to a thristy throng in America is a a really good thing. It is a true public service. We call them distributors. In fact, Johnny, "Hey, I was a POW" McCain's newist wife is the heir to a huge, I mean huge fortune from her families liquor distributorship in Arizona.

Now, as for Republcian daddies, there is Prescott Bush. Prescott's sin against America was not an innocent provider of yummy beverages, Prescott Bush was an unabashed Nazi sympathizer, and a big economic partner with the Nazi's as they murdered millions, Jews, and Non-Jews alike, in Germany and their occupied territories.

So, on one hand, you have Joe Kennedy, a businessman, a provider, a distributor of delicious, yummy, and often healthy healing beverages to happy American consumers, and, on the other hand, you have Prescott Bush, father to George H.W. Bush (41) and grandfather to your idol, George "W" Bush. Joe Kennedy the businessman, or, Prescott Bush, the cooperative Nazi sympathizer, and Nazi business partner.

By comparison, Joe Kennedy is a Saint.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 11:39 PM

Kennedy's sin was just good ole fashion American enterprise. I thought you republi/cons were all for that??? Am I depicting class and wealth envy? You just can't make up your minds can you. Yes, John "Flip-Flops" McCain, he'll give the Republican party just what it wants. Two-facism.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 11:46 PM

on a sad note, I was engaged in back to school night all night and missed Kennedy's speech. Is it going to be replayed later?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 11:48 PM

Cliff, thank you for your contributions this evening. They are a welcomed sight.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 11:50 PM

Good Doctor

CSPAN just announced that they will re-air the convention beginning in about 15 minutes. That should be roughly starting around 11pm on CSPAN if you have satellite, or, cable.

I believe, that if you have Charter Cable, which Cape Girardeau, and Jackson, that CSPAN is on cable channel 28. CSPAN-2, channel 29, is also, showing some convention coverage.

They say that Kennedy gave a fantastic speech. Commentators have been talking about the excellent quality of Michelle Obama. They said that never has a potential First Lady given such a great speedch.

I plan to record it all.

Good luck

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 11:54 PM

Doc,

No, I can't rip on an enterprising man who made his fortune during the time when demand was high for an item where supply was low. Watching out for his family.

Huh supply and demand. Wierd that it was around back then, but (OFF TOPIC) oil is a different matter today?

I was just quoting from the Kennedy Bio, Cliff's Notes version.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 11:57 PM

I'm chartered up, and will be looking. I caught the first lady's speech, it was very articulate, moving, and reached out to the hearts of Middle-Class America.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Aug 25, 2008, at 11:58 PM

fajar...oil is a natural resource really. There's no enterprise to it. As Huey P. Long said to the oil execs of his day, "That oil doesn't belong to you, it belongs to the State of Louisiana." Big difference between the two IMO.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Aug 26, 2008, at 12:03 AM

Democratic Convention re-broadcast

Looks like CSPAN-2, channel 29, has started their re-broadcast of the opening night of the Democratic convention.

CSPAN, channel 28, had earlier announced that it, too, will repeat the broadcast within minutes.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Tue, Aug 26, 2008, at 12:04 AM

"As Huey P. Long said to the oil execs of his day, "That oil doesn't belong to you, it belongs to the State of Louisiana."

Wow, Doctor, great quote, great information. Contrast Democratic Senator Huey Long's statement to the oil company execs of his day, to how those oil companies now own our government today.

You are a good researcher.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Tue, Aug 26, 2008, at 12:08 AM

Huey Long laid out a plan: a progressive income tax, real money for education, public works to rebuild Louisiana and America, an end to wars for empire, and an end to financial oligarchy. The waters receded, the anger did not, and Huey "Kingfish" Long was elected Governor of Louisiana in 1928.

At the time, Louisiana schools were free, but not the textbooks. Governor Long taxed Big Oil to pay for the books. Rockefeller's oil companies refused pay the textbook tax, so Long ordered the National Guard to seize Standard Oil's fields in the Delta.

Huey Long was called a "demagogue" and a "dictator." Of course. Because it was Huey Long who established the concept that a government of the people must protect the people, school, house, and feed them and give every man or woman a job who needs one.

Government, he said, "We The People," not plutocrats nor Halliburtons, must build bridges and levees to keep the waters from rising over our heads. All we had to do was share the nation's wealth we created as a nation. But that meant facing down what he called the "concentrations of monopoly power" to finance the needs of the public.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Aug 26, 2008, at 12:21 AM

DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION re-broadcast

CSPAN on cable 28 has just started their rebroadcast of tonights Democratic convention.

CSPAN-2 on cable 29, seems to be air speeches that may have been made before the evening session.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Tue, Aug 26, 2008, at 12:22 AM

Oops, here's the entire article.

http://www.gregpalast.com/bush-strafes-n...

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Aug 26, 2008, at 12:22 AM

Watching now. Ted Kennedy is a class act. Terminal Cancer, and months to live. There he stands like a rock. Admirable, and unforgetable.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Aug 26, 2008, at 12:30 AM

CAROLINE KENNEDY MAKING TED KENNEDY SPEECH

Caroline just finished here introduction of Ted. Speech to start soon at 11:50pm on Charter 28 ..... CSPAN.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Tue, Aug 26, 2008, at 12:50 AM

Babe if you're going to quote huge passages from Wiki, you ought to at least cite them, dear. And when you pick and choose what you quote - you are showing your Republican bi-a$$. BTW that conservative South in the quote, became today's Republican party in the south (those against the movement were all southern Democrats). If you are going to give me a lesson Babe, get it right or I will call you on it BABE, dear.

Here's my quote from them: The civil rights movement of the 1960s has continued to inspire the party's (Democrat) liberal principles,[2] despite having lost the more conservative South in the process.

Oh, which party has a black candidate for president? No comment on that?

-- Posted by concerned4all on Tue, Aug 26, 2008, at 1:00 AM

Looking back, we all must have been exposed to a gigantic brainwashing scheme from the early 1950's on.

How else can one explain how we have all but forgotten the big oil scandalls, the Standard Oil Trust, et al, that was exposed around the turn of the last century. How is it that we went from knowing those scum for what they were, to now, many of our citizens believing that these very corporations, and their imitators, like ENRON, Global Crossing, QUEST, ARKADELPHIA, and a slew of others, are just good businessmen, fighting against the "liberals," and anti-business forces?

How the hell could we even belive that? Was it advertising? A relentless, many, many years of , propagandistic advertising and PR firm propaganda that clouded out minds and made us forget the sins of their corporate fathers? To criticise corporations was tandamount to embracing a "liberal" mindset. Where did that notion come from to establish itself in our political concience? How were we all turned into dummies, who did not reason, did not question, but thew our lot and support behind these corporate raiders, these theives of finance, these slithering scum sucking icons of greed and hubris? How was our ignorance so complete and resolute?

We need more Huey Long's today. Sadly, they are more rare than they were back in Long's day. Long may have not been perfect, but he was right.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Tue, Aug 26, 2008, at 1:04 AM

Robert Goodbody

I read your excellent post about Russia and I have the same questions. Are they really trying to re-assert themselves or is it a ploy and a sick game they are playing along with the neo-cons.

I think the whole cold war thing was a sham engineered by the fascist corporations. They made money from both the Soviet Union and this country. Just like they made money from propping up the Nazis. Yep grandpa Bush made lots of money off of Hitler.

I just finished reading again the unauthorized biography of Armand Hammer by Steve Weinberg. He had extraordinary access to the Soviets and especially to Lenin. He became a freewheeling capitalist and lived a life of luxury in Moscow. Try to find a copy of this book. It will answer some of your questions but it will take a bit more time to figure out Putins intentions.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Tue, Aug 26, 2008, at 1:11 AM

Robert G. when you have time go to Google video and serach for the BBC series The Century of Self. It is a documentary that explains how modern advertising that was started by Freuds nephew Edward Bernays morphed in to government propaganda. It is one of the best documentaries ever made. Check it out. It will answer some of your questions about how this country became so manipulated.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Tue, Aug 26, 2008, at 1:20 AM

Huey Long instituted a "progressive tax?" Sounds like he took that from the Communist Manifesto.

Good of the people should just graduate to Mob Rule. At least that will saying to its truths.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Aug 26, 2008, at 1:38 AM

Infowarrior

Thank you for the tip on the book by Weinberg. I just checked ebay, it wasn't there, so, I will look for alternate, economic sources.

Back when the Soviet Union fell apart, I was a listener to Marc Korenke, and John Statdmiller and their NATIONAL INTEL REPORT. Statdmiller still has a radio program on Republic Radio. http://www.republicbroadcasting.org/inde...

In the early 90's, Korenke and Statdmiller talked about the military-industrial complex needed a new enemy now that the Soviet Union was breaking up. One of them said, the new enemy will be "terrorists." I thought how stupid do you think that we are, "terrorists" as the new enemy, get real. They went on to say, that the reason that terrorism would be the new enemy, is becuase it provided the military-industrial complex with the perfect, vague, open ended enemy with wars that would never end, until the complex said so. I began to really regret the fact that I was listening to such dribble. They went on to further say that the "terrorists" would be Muslims. I said..."ah, go on." They explained, that unlike wishy washy, gulible "christians", Muslims would not give up their beliefs in God, and would not go into the New World Order, as willingly as the alleged Christians would.

I have never fogotten those words. I thought them out there at the time, but today, we can see that what they said back in about 1992, is so true. Saddam Hussein would not give up his country, to become rich on the tab as a toadie for the New World Order. Due to his refusal to become one with the neocons, they invaded his country and killed him. The neocons felt the same about Afghanistan and the Taliban. It doesn't matter that those countries, and others like Serbia and their President Milosevic could pose no real threat to the New World Order, the neocons did not want any resource, any bit of land, water and sky to be free of their influence, so, they invaded and killed the people and their leaders, and to install their puppet regimes. Karzi in Afghanistan, some dummie in Serbia, and al Maliki in Iraq. All of whom are toadies and carry the water for the New World Order crowd.

The truth is out there. You just have to dig a little to find it.

Thanks for being a champion in the Infowars.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Tue, Aug 26, 2008, at 1:41 AM

Beware college students, someone may be trying to suppress your right to vote. Last month, supporters of `Barack Obama were registering thousands of students at Virginia Tech. University. The Montgomery County registrar of elections then issued two news releases incorrectly suggesting that students who registered to vote at their college might lose their right to be claimed as dependents on their parents’ tax returns or could lose scholarships or lose car and health insurance. All lies.

According to an article titled “Warning For College Student Voters,” published in Insider Higher Ed’s Web site on September 3, 2008, there is an “exemption in the U.S. tax code allowing dependents to live away from home while attending school.” The article also states that in “calls to 10 top health insurance companies, none indicated that registering to vote at a college address would be grounds for dismissing students from coverage.”

Furthermore, in 1979 the Supreme Court ruled that students have the right to register to vote at their college addresses.

If you receive a similar threat or notice at your college, challenge it. If denied your rights, you could contact the local ACLU who filed a federal lawsuit against William and Mary in 2004 on behalf of two students denied the right to register locally. The school caved in and the case was dropped.

In 2004, college students, like this year, were registering heavily for the Democratic candidate. Just before the 2004 election the Ohio Sec of State rejected thousands of applications for voter registration mailed in by college students who had downloaded them from the internet. He used an arcane provision to rule that they weren’t submitted on heavy enough paper. Bush won a close victory in Ohio. If we go back to the 2000 election in Florida we find that in the run-up to the election, a Texas firm with close connections to Karl Rove was hired by the Florida Sec of State to purge the voter rolls of voters who were felons. It seems that about 50,000 African- Americans who were not felons but whose names were the same or close to someone who had been a felon were purged from the voting rolls which they discovered on election day when they were denied their right to vote. African Americans were voting heavily against George Bush in 2000. Bush won Florida by less than 500 votes. Karl Rove was an adviser to both of those Sec’s of State. There is a lot of evidence that Karl Rove, chief Republican campaign strategist and dirty tricks guru was heavily involved in those acts of voter suppression on a grand scale and this one in Virginia looks suspiciously like his work.

-- Posted by cliffcleland on Thu, Sep 18, 2008, at 3:06 PM

Beware college students, someone may be trying to suppress your right to vote. Last month, supporters of `Barack Obama were registering thousands of students at Virginia Tech. University. The Montgomery County registrar of elections then issued two news releases incorrectly suggesting that students who registered to vote at their college might lose their right to be claimed as dependents on their parents’ tax returns or could lose scholarships or lose car and health insurance. All lies.

According to an article titled “Warning For College Student Voters,” published in Insider Higher Ed’s Web site on September 3, 2008, there is an “exemption in the U.S. tax code allowing dependents to live away from home while attending school.” The article also states that in “calls to 10 top health insurance companies, none indicated that registering to vote at a college address would be grounds for dismissing students from coverage.”

Furthermore, in 1979 the Supreme Court ruled that students have the right to register to vote at their college addresses.

If you receive a similar threat or notice at your college, challenge it. If denied your rights, you could contact the local ACLU who filed a federal lawsuit against William and Mary in 2004 on behalf of two students denied the right to register locally. The school caved in and the case was dropped.

In 2004, college students, like this year, were registering heavily for the Democratic candidate. Just before the 2004 election the Ohio Sec of State rejected thousands of applications for voter registration mailed in by college students who had downloaded them from the internet. He used an arcane provision to rule that they weren’t submitted on heavy enough paper. Bush won a close victory in Ohio. If we go back to the 2000 election in Florida we find that in the run-up to the election, a Texas firm with close connections to Karl Rove was hired by the Florida Sec of State to purge the voter rolls of voters who were felons. It seems that about 50,000 African- Americans who were not felons but whose names were the same or close to someone who had been a felon were purged from the voting rolls which they discovered on election day when they were denied their right to vote. African Americans were voting heavily against George Bush in 2000. Bush won Florida by less than 500 votes. Karl Rove was an adviser to both of those Sec’s of State. There is a lot of evidence that Karl Rove, chief Republican campaign strategist and dirty tricks guru was heavily involved in those acts of voter suppression on a grand scale and this one in Virginia looks suspiciously like his work.

-- Posted by cliffcleland on Thu, Sep 18, 2008, at 3:06 PM

John McCain is out of touch with ordinary Americans.

The U.S. has lost 605,000 jobs in 2008, including 84,000 in August. The unemployment rate of 6.1%, is the highest in 5 years. Under Bush/McCain, the National Debt has ballooned by $3.8 trillion. McCain said “there’s been great Progress Economically” since Bush took office.

After the collapse and take over of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by the US Government, after the failures of Bear Stearns, Lehman Bros. and the insurance giant AIG, McCain said, “the fundamentals of America’s economy are strong.” Treasury Sec. Paulson has sketched out what could be the biggest bailout in U.S history. Senate Banking Chairman Chris Dodd blamed failed Bush administration policies but said that if immediate action is not taken, the US economy would be in “meltdown” within days. McCain repeats, “the fundamentals of America’s economy are strong.”

According to recent tax filings, McCain’s net worth rose by $18 million since 1999. He thinks the economy is great.

McCain places the line between the rich and the middle class at an annual income of $5 million. He thinks anyone making just $4.9 million a year is not rich.

When asked “when was the last time you pumped your own gas and how much did it cost”, McCain said, “Oh, I don’t remember… I don’t see how it matters”

When asked by a reporter how many houses he and his wife own, McCain stumbled and said, “I think- I’ll have my staff get back to you” According to ProgressiveAccountability.org, they own 10 properties worth $13.8 million. Three of these properties alone have a total of 13 houses on them.

John McCain is dangerously out of touch with mainstream America.

-- Posted by cliffcleland on Sat, Sep 20, 2008, at 1:07 AM

Regarding John McCain’s mortality, polls show many Americans are wary of voting for someone his age. At 72, he would be the oldest first–term president in history. While many Americans in their 70’s and 80’s are thriving and vital, we should look very closely.

To show off his strong family genes, McCain often appears with his 95 year old mother, Roberta. She is lively and spry. However, genes come from both sides of the family. McCain’s father, John S. McCain Jr., died at age 70 while his grandfather, John S. McCain Sr., died at age 61.

Actuarial tables inform us that a man aged 72 has about a 15% chance of not surviving four years and about a 32% chance (about 1 in 3) of not surviving eight years. (Social Security Administration 2004 actuarial tables)

These statistics do not take into account the fact that John McCain has battled melanoma, a deadly form of skin cancer, since 1993, when he had a melanoma removed from his arm. In 2000, two more melanomas were removed plus a lymph node. In 2002, a lesion removed from his nose was identified as a non-malignant form of melanoma.

A recent study concluded that “those with skin cancer ran twice the risk of developing other forms of cancer.” (Medical University of South Carolina at Charleston)

This should give us pause when we note that, if John McCain is elected President, just a heart-beat away from the presidency is Sarah Palin.

-- Posted by cliffcleland on Sat, Sep 27, 2008, at 10:51 PM

As a retired senior citizen, I fear for my country as we approach the election. I worry about my children, grandchildren and all the children of coming generations. The economic greed, theft and mismanagement of this administration has plunged us into near ruin. John McCain’s economic plan is more of the same. Can we survive four more years of that?

Barack Obama proposes a very carefully crafted sound economic plan for America, which can be seen on his website.

The Democratic Party created, implemented and, throughout the years, nurtured and protected the Social Security Program and the Medicare and Medicaid Programs over fierce and continuous opposition from the Republicans. Now the Republicans and John McCain want to slash them.

The Wall Street Journal reported on 10/07/08 that “ John McCain plans to cut Medicare and Medicaid by over a trillion dollars.” He is also on record as supporting a partial privatization of Social Security (Wall Street is licking its chops) and is open to cutting benefits and raising the retirement age to balance the program.

Senator Obama has voted to preserve and strengthen Medicare and Medicaid at every opportunity. He has voted to restore funding to these programs and has voted against budgets that cut these programs. He is against privatization of Social Security, cutting benefits or raising the retirement age. To help fix the ailing system, Barack Obama proposes a 2-4% tax on all incomes above $250,000.

On these critically important issues to Seniors, there are great differences between the candidates. John McCain wants to give huge tax cuts to the rich at the expense of these programs. He believes that the wealth will then “trickle down” to the rest of us.

Barack Obama is committed to protecting and preserving these precious programs for Seniors. Barack Obama is a better choice for Seniors and all Americans.

-- Posted by cliffcleland on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 12:02 AM

As a retired senior citizen, I fear for my country as we approach the election. I worry about my children, grandchildren and all the children of coming generations. The economic greed, theft and mismanagement of this administration has plunged us into near ruin. John McCain’s economic plan is more of the same. Can we survive four more years of that?

Barack Obama proposes a very carefully crafted sound economic plan for America, which can be seen on his website.

The Democratic Party created, implemented and, throughout the years, nurtured and protected the Social Security Program and the Medicare and Medicaid Programs over fierce and continuous opposition from the Republicans. Now the Republicans and John McCain want to slash them.

The Wall Street Journal reported on 10/07/08 that “ John McCain plans to cut Medicare and Medicaid by over a trillion dollars.” He is also on record as supporting a partial privatization of Social Security (Wall Street is licking its chops) and is open to cutting benefits and raising the retirement age to balance the program.

Senator Obama has voted to preserve and strengthen Medicare and Medicaid at every opportunity. He has voted to restore funding to these programs and has voted against budgets that cut these programs. He is against privatization of Social Security, cutting benefits or raising the retirement age. To help fix the ailing system, Barack Obama proposes a 2-4% tax on all incomes above $250,000.

On these critically important issues to Seniors, there are great differences between the candidates. John McCain wants to give huge tax cuts to the rich at the expense of these programs. He believes that the wealth will then “trickle down” to the rest of us.

Barack Obama is committed to protecting and preserving these precious programs for Seniors. Barack Obama is a better choice for Seniors and all Americans.

-- Posted by cliffcleland on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 12:02 AM


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