[SeMissourian.com] Fair ~ 66°F  
River stage: 32.67 ft. Rising
Thursday, July 30, 2015

Speak Out 8/23/08

Saturday, August 23, 2008

Nice and cool

WHAT HAPPENED to global warming? This has been one of the best Augusts ever.

Let boys be boys

PARENTS, TAKE heed. I just read the article on ADHD and was reminded of something I was told many years ago when my boy and girl were small. I was told boys learn differently than girls. Girls are OK with sitting quietly in class with their books. They are often grossed out by various learning experiences. Boys, on the other hand, learn best on their feet, elbow deep in sheep hearts, crickets and worms. We're trying to force a round peg into a square hole with all these meds and hours spent sitting and trying to do as we ask. They just can't do it. They're boys, and they learn like boys. They've even lost the outlets of recess, lunch and P.E. Until we wise up and do as the rest of the world does, educate boys and girls separately, our boys will continue trying with all their might to change that which is inherent in them. Many will fail. All will lose self-esteem, motivation, and hope for the future.

Let them eat cheeseburgers

I HEARD where St. Louis removed cheeseburgers from the school menu. How ridiculous. A cheeseburger is two slices of bread, cheese, which is healthy (go Wisconsin) and if they use real hamburger versus some pressed-out crud, then it's nutritious for the children if they actually do it on a grill (although I know schools no longer do that). Before they stop things on school menus they should take a survey of the parents and let the parents decide -- a written survey with an accurate count because I know I would much rather my child eat a cheeseburger than a lot of other things they serve. You know, there's a reason there's McDonald's, Hardee's, etc., because people like places like this.

No news on TV

I WOULD like to comment on the KFVS12 news at 10. I work all day but usually sit up to see the 10 news. If the weather is on three minutes into the telecast, that means there is no news. Most of the half-hour is commercial after commercial. Often the same stories run for three or four days in a row. I find it hard to believe there is no local news in the four-state area.

Sweeping not necessary

WELL, THE street cleaner was on the job at 8 a.m. Wednesday and the streets didn't need it. We could save manpower, gas and money by not running these big machines.

Campaigning on openness

I FIND it interesting that Commissioner Jay Purcell spends a lot of time talking about open government now. But anyone who knows him understands it is just a campaign slogan.

Smokey locale not good

I DID not attend the Heartland Idol contest. I actually had no idea that it was being held at Show Me's. I believe that was an inappropriate place for minor children, where they would be exposed to smoke. In the future they need to be thinking of some other location.

China isn't only threat

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS don't scare me so much coming to America, especially across the Mexican border. However, I wish the United States would quit dilly-dallying and get this fence built so we can a message: No more. But what does concern me is people don't understand the dynamics of everything working against American jobs here. Yeah, China's a threat to take away jobs, but there are other places, too. Jobs are being outsourced to Costa Rica and even Poland. My spouse is concerned because they can hire two Polish workers for the price they can hire an American worker. So don't think it's just China out there getting U.S. jobs. There's other countries at play here who are sucking our jobs away.

Thank you for meals

THERE'S A group of people in town who prepare and deliver the meals on wheels for people here in the community and these people are deserving of a lot of thanks. Their time, their car, their gasoline and I just want to say thanks to all the people for developing this program.

Study more, work less

I AM concerned about our children's education. Local restaurants are working our children until one in the morning, then they have to get up and go to school. However, there are no laws against this unless they are 15 years old. But again, what is the difference between a 15- and a 16-year-old? If our children don't study and make their grades, our jobs will go overseas to those who do.

Celebrity status

Barack Obama has achieved celebrity status. No one denies that. Being a celebrity is a double-edged sword. We love to love celebrities. But we also love to resent them and often love to relish their fall. Whether or not Obama can benefit from this status in his quest for the presidency remains an open question. Personally, I see nothing wrong with qualified celebrities being elected president. Celebrities like JFK and Ronald Reagan did just fine.

Blame upbringing

While I certainly understand the grief of a grandparent, I continue to be baffled by the complete and utter lack of any personal responsibility on the part of many parents and relatives of young adult and juvenile offenders. It's the courts' fault or the victim's fault or some other excuse. A person's personality is set by the age of 5, when they have for the most part been influenced by their family. Also, in the case of most offenders, there have been problems for years. I'd like for these family members to start taking responsibility for their own actions or lack thereof before first trying to change the system to suit their own feelings. Remember, the Bible says we should remove the plank in our own eye first.

Need to be involved

The law says No Child Left Behind. That means that they're all supposed to be up to speed academically. However, the law is not applicable to teachers. Therefore, there is no basis for a recent parental complaint about teachers failing to keep them apprised as to their child's progress or lack thereof. The bottom line? Find out for yourself.

Local area falling behind

Our failing schools in Cape and Jackson need a wake-up call. We have long had a sense of smug satisfaction that our region was superior to the rest of the state. At one time we probably were. Now that is being challenged. This crisis can only be solved in one way. Parents need to look in the mirror. Parents need to work with their children to make sure that they are really learning their lessons. Parents need to make sure their children read, get enough sleep and have the right priorities. Enough talk by our parents. It is time to act.

Beware the pro-choice VP

I agree with Rush Limbaugh that if McCain chooses an abortion rights running mate, conservatism (as defined by the once-powerful GOP base) is dead.

Kudos to Golden Eagles

After recently visiting Edinburgh in the United Kingdom, we were fortunate enough to get tickets and see the Military Tattoo there. The Southeast Golden Eagles were the big hit of the show. The audience response was quite loud and enthusiastic. We were very proud of our homegrown talent and the way they represent the USA here in Edinburgh. Congratulations to all who are involved in this tremendous venture.

Don't mess with world

The idea that Bush has succeeded at anything other than hastening Armageddon is ludicrous. Iran is not a success, it's the next campaign of the war in Iraq. We have not done anything at all in Korea except continue to patrol the DMZ (or did we already lose those troops?). Russia and Georgia are sovereign states. We are not in any position, nor do we have the right, to dictate to either of them. It's that schoolyard bully attitude that is making the U.S. such a hard sell outside this country. Frankly, I'm starting to get a little tired of it, also.

Fact Check
See inaccurate information in this story?

Note: The nature of the Internet makes it impractical for our staff to review every comment. If you feel that a comment is offensive, please Login or Create an account first, and then you will be able to flag a comment as objectionable. Please also note that those who post comments on semissourian.com may do so using a screen name, which may or may not reflect a website user's actual name. Readers should be careful not to assign comments to real people who may have names similar to screen names. Refrain from obscenity in your comments, and to keep discussions civil, don't say anything in a way your grandmother would be ashamed to read.

"Don't mess with world"

Hope springs eternal. There truly are intelligent people in southeast Missouri. Thank you for speaking out.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 3:19 AM

"No news on TV"

Thank you for a very thought provoking post. I, too, have noticed rehashed national news, and fluffy stories on the so-called "local" news on KFVS. CBS encourages fluffy, non-news stories by their hiring of the Queen of Fluff, entertainer Katie Couric to read their nightly news to us.

It may be that the parent company of KFVS has cut so many position in the news department, that they just can't do the job that they once did in covering local news. I have seen several JONESBORO, AR, stories from their sister station, KAIT. Some of Kathy's "in-depth" segments start, then don't seem to have an ending to them. That is the way I saw them, maybe I am wrong, but they just seem to leave you hanging, or, waiting for the next segment that will close out the story, but it doesn't come.

They have won awards. Makes you wonder what their competion is doing to be worse than they are. Again, I think it could be an employee staffing problem directed by their parent company, Raycom Media.

Most of the on camera people are good to very good, it is just the news stories with which they have to work. I hate hearing them do the "Live, Local, Late Breaking" bit then follow that with several minutes of dummy national news, from Britnay Spears, Paris Hilton, to a national story about a non-custodial parent taking their child into hiding. Heard it before. It wasn't interesting then on the CBS Katie Coruic fisaco, don't want to hear it again on my "local" news.

New graphics package and system are pretty okay. Sometimes seems too sophisticated for the non-local news which follows, but you have to congratulate TJ on the work that he has done with producing them.

Nice people, bad news rehashing.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 3:32 AM

I wholeheartedly agree, the 'Live, Local and Leg-Breaking" is just tooooooooooo much, I like the way KAIT8 Jonesboro does it, Name and Channel 8 news. Much more professionally sounding.

As far as 'global warming' ask the 8 polar bears seen swimming in the ocean with no ice-floes in sight. They probably drowned, no way to rescue them and that is just the ones sighted. Get real folks, its happening.

-- Posted by changedname on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 7:52 AM

Twas I that stated that prudentdriver was missing!!

His post are indeed still there BUT his avatar is missing. What the hey!!!

It is strange indeed the events that happen yesterday!!

Hurry back you guys!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:09 AM

Barak Obama and John McCain were out jogging one morning along the

parkway when sudenly a man pushed them both over the bridge railing

and they landed in the creek below.

Before the Secret Service guys could get

to them, 3 kids who were fishing pulled them both out of the

water. They was so grateful they offered the kids

whatever they wanted.

The first kid said, 'I want to go to Disneyland '

Barak said, 'No problem, I'll take you there on my

special Senator's airplane.'

The second kid said, 'I want a new pair of Nike Air

Jordan 's shoes.'

McCain said, 'I'll get them for you and even

have Michael Jordan sign them!'

The third kid said, ' I want a motorized wheelchair with

a built in TV and stereo headset!'

Both men were a little perplexed by this and said, you

don't look like you're handicapped.'

The kid said, 'I will be after my dad finds out I saved

your butt's from drowning!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:22 AM

How's that for equal opportunity?

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:23 AM

Advice we can all live with!!!!!!!

Ever have one of those days, when something seemed a bit

'off' but you just couldn't put your finger on it...

Or it seemed like all the people around you just wanted to butt


Or just get into some kind of weird tug of war?

Sometimes you just need to take a fresh new look

And get a different perspective on things.

Remember to try your best to show kindness to others...

(sometimes looking at things from their perspective might help...)

So, when life gets you down...

Remember to just keep going,

and keep your head above water...

And you'll get by with a little help from your friends!

To all of my friends have a nice day.

Together We Can Make Someone Smile !

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:31 AM

This is interesting! I wonder what the court will decide.

MSNBC is taking a poll on whether or not to remove "In God We Trust"

Show your support by voting - just click on the link below


-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:39 AM

Your welcome

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:40 AM

So here is what I suggest. All disgruntled Democrats vote for Bob Barr, and all disgruntled Republican's upset with what will soon be the McCain/Lieberman ticket, also vote for Bob Barr.

What will be the out come? We shall discovery that together.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:51 AM

Me too!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:51 AM

This is fun!! I almost forgot how much I enjoy blogging. Although to keep from making enemies I will maintain maximum silence during heated debates. I do have some great jokes to pass along (mostly clean) If anyone is interested e-mail me at:


Have a great Day!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:57 AM

Nice and cool: Take a Science Class.

Let boys be boys: And let girls be girls, and let the gender once again have a more definative line.

Let them eat cheeseburgers: Bring back real beef!

No news on TV: Then make some. Steal a car, rob a bank, walk nude down Broadway.

Sweeping not necessary: How priviledged are you? Haven't seen it in years..

Campaigning on openness: Best joke of the day!

Smokey locale not good: It's not just the smoke. That place is filthy and has absolutely no class. Tear it down! .

China isn't only threat: Don't for get the Armanians.

Thank you for meals: Charity at it's best.

Study more, work less: Ahh, another child of time experiencing the almight revelation. Yes, the Blue Law would help do away with this.

Celebrity status: Unique.

Blame upbringing: Eliminate the social workers, staunch discipline must be administered.

Need to be involved: "Find out for yourself" That's an awfully cocky for an educator who is paid by the Taxpayers. You're Fired!

Local area falling behind: And Teachers need to teach. Yes, you seem to leave out that equation.

Beware the pro-choice VP: Yes, the wicked old witch will be dead. Vote Barr in 2008.

Kudos to Golden Eagles: All the worlds a stage, but Scotland takes the gambit.

Don't mess with world: Agreed, the best way to promote Democracy is to example it, right here at home.

I bid you all a good day. ~Namaste

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 9:13 AM

oops wrong address



-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 9:15 AM

Hilleco, it is precisely that kind of simplified dogmatic view about voting conservative that is making people people turn to the democrats in droves. McCain is going to lose, and lose hard if he doesn't do something quick.

-- Posted by Swollen_Thumb on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 10:39 AM

Hillbilly Hall (Marble Hill)

Congratulations too all the property owners of Marble Hill. Thanks to A-W1 "Tim McCain", A-W2 "Jim Sear" &

A-W2 "Joel Southwick." They feel you don't pay enough for you taxes and voted yes to increase them.

A-W1 "Clint Lacy" voted no!

Bear Wagon @ Fall Festival

A-W1 "Tim McCain",A-W2 "Jim Sear", and A-W2 "Joel Southwick." Voted no! A-W1 "Clint Lacy" Voted yes!

The normal Christian Hipo's were there to sound off there hate and "What kind of message does this send to our kids".

Yet the lane is full every Friday, Saturday night and plenty of drinking there! Have a good ole Horse Show plenty of bear between trailers there. Or maybe those who's kids, find themselves on the wrong side of the law. Maybe they didn't get enough teaching at home about godly morals!

But funny how so many are O.W. that they can't get around. And plenty on S.S. because of there own health problems!

One good preacher said there was plenty of empty buildings in town, and the city needed to bring in more business for the town and not depend on a "Bear Wagon", too make money! This same man served on the city board. Nothing mention about what his plans were while on the board to bring in new business!

Aha! Hillbilly Hall somethings due never change!

-- Posted by Service1 on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 10:40 AM


Which science class would you recommend we take? One that picks and chooses what it teaches to promote a political agenda or one that actually covers all the research and news available such as the recent admission by NASA that they have been mis-calculating global temperatures too high for decades? Our European friends are beginning to wake up and smell the coffee. Recently several European nations have repealed draconian environmental measures that they admit they passed "in a panic." The truth is, there is no such thing as a stable environment. It has been in a constant state of change since the beginning of time and will be until the end. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for conservation and developing new sources of energy but the constant drumbeat of global warming hysteria you hear these days is just scare tactics to get people to accept outrageous taxes and mandates and more Socialistic type governments.

-- Posted by Data48 on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 10:46 AM

Silent Bob

I believe if they are going to remove anything from money it should be the removal of all the satanic, occultic symbols especially on the dollar bill.

Why in the world would a so called "Christian" nation have an occult Egyptian pyramid with the "all seeing eye" of Horus or Ra. If you look mosre closely with a microscope at the eye, it is not a human eye, but of one more like a reptile, most likely a snake.

Look at the occultic 6 pointed object above the eagle on the seal. It is 2 pyramids one pointing up and the other pointing down. As above so below is the term for these inter-locking pyramids. This is one of the symbols of Lucifer or the enlightened one. i.e. the devil. The symbol also has 13 stars. The number 13 has nothing to do with the original 13 colonies, it is an occultic number representing Friday the 13th, the day the Knights Templar were arrested.

Whether you think what I say is baloney or not doesn't matter. The people who designed the dollar bill didn't think it was baloney. They did it for a reason.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 11:15 AM

Data48 and John in Jackson,

Both very good posts, I agree. I too am for conservation, but for reasons other than "Global Climate Change".

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 11:35 AM

re: let them eat cheeseburgers

Why don't you pack a nice healty lunch for your child to take to school?

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 1:08 PM

As far as the "Meals On Wheels Program" in Southeast Missouri goes, Yes, the drivers do get a small salary, and there are some volunteers. But now how does the money get there. No. It isn't fully funded like in other areas. Even in the larger cities in Missouri it is fully funded. But the overall population of senior citizens is in Jeff City or places like that, and here in the southeast part of the state it isn't as highly populated with them. So we aren't even actually supposed to call it "Meals On Wheels", but the "Home Delivered Meal Program" and I think about 60% is covered by the state and all the other money has to come from local organizations and the donations it can collect. So please everyone keep that in mind when they ask for donations. It's because they really need the help, and with fuel cost as they are, call your local Area Agency on Aging to see how to help. There are nice people there (who care) and will work hard to try to keep the meals going for a long time to come. No I don't work in the program, but I used to, and it is so hard to keep the vehicles on the road to help those who need it.

-- Posted by MsLin@home on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 1:14 PM

re: thank you for the meals

The volunteers are wonderful and I do not believe they get paid. The Meal on Wheels charges $2.25 a meal and Senior Center charges $3.50 a meal. Believe me, Meal on Wheels serves most unappetizing food which they say is prepared in their own kitchens at Southeast Hospital. I've eaten at the hospital as a visitor and a patient and have not been served such food.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 1:24 PM

re: study more, work less

You want a law passed to keep your student from working late hours? Here is a tip for you....practice pursing your lips and saying NO to your child when he/she wants to hire on.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 1:29 PM

re: beware of the pro-choice vp

McCain is anti-abortion and it is unlikely that he would choose a pro-abortionist as a running mate.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 1:36 PM


You said....

"Second, I can NOT speak for Pups...but it is my understanding that the reason why he has gotten frustrated is the Conservative-good/Liberal-bad crap that is constantly posted. And I have to agree with him...it does appear Conservatives view their nasty little Liberal jabs as humor...yet, when faced with facts/information or humor about their believes/values/party affiliation...it is considered a "low blow". Gets really old after awhile."


-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 1:45 PM

Data, go visit the Antarctic, then come and tell me what you think. Until then...I'll be waiting.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 1:45 PM

John in Jackson, quid pro quo...prove that it's not! Go to the artic circle!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 1:49 PM

Ok - I'll try this:

Three Texas plastic surgeons were playing golf together and discussing surgeries they had performed.One of them said, "I'm the best plastic surgeon in Texas. A concert pianist lost 7 fingers in an accident, I reattached them, and 8 months later he performed a private concert for the Queen of England."

One of the others said. "That's nothing. A young man lost both arms and legs in an accident, I reattached them, and 2 years later he won a gold medal in 5 field events in the Olympics."

The third surgeon said, "You guys are amateurs. Several years ago a cowboy who was high on cocaine and alcohol rode a horse head-on into a train traveling 80 miles an hour. All I had left to work with was the horse's *** and a cowboy hat. Now he's President of the United States!"

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 1:51 PM


Okay, I give up. I've read your post several times and still don't understand it, really. I'm not belittling your spelling but does 'Bear Wagon' mean a 'Beer Wagon'? I need to know before I comment.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 1:54 PM


I'm surprised that you didn't mention the Masons as being responsible for the symbolism on the dollar bill as most conspiracy nuts do.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 1:57 PM

Babe...in truth, "Conservatives" don't have much of a sense of humor. See how you proved it again. LOL, Giggle, LOL, laughing so hard and a giggle.

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 1:59 PM

Gosh Babe, I was j/k

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 2:16 PM


Be careful of the ZOT . giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 2:33 PM

Oh look, how cute...Babe's making more friends.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 3:54 PM

Well Babe I will bite on that one. It WAS the Masons who designed and approved the dollar bill. Most of our founding fathers were Masons. One of the famous paintings of G. Washington was painted with him in a Masonic apron and other regalia laying the cornerstone of the Capital building in D.C.

I am not saying Washington was evil for being a Mason and I’m not saying that most Masons are evil. Most Masons are decent and honorable people. But the real leaders of the Masons are not honorable and decent no matter what the Discovery and “History” Channel tell you. Most of the media and most of Hollywood are full of Masons and the Masonic philosophy is played out in nearly everything we watch..

You can read for yourself Babe. There are hundreds of websites devoted to the exposure of the Masons. There are hundreds of books defending the Masons, You can read writings from one of the most prolific Masonic writers Manly P. Hall. He is perhaps most famous for his work The Secret Teachings of All Ages: An Encyclopedic Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Cabbalistic and Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy, published in 1928 when he was 27 years old.

Manley P. Hall wrote in The Secret Teachings of All Ages that the United States was dedicated to fulfillment of the Judeo-Masonic (Zionist) agenda from the day of its inception: "The Great Seal (of the United States) is the signature of this exalted body [a secret body existing in Europe] - unseen and for the most part unknown - and the unfinished pyramid upon its reverse side is a trestle board setting forth the task to the accomplishment of which the United States Government was dedicated from the day of its inception."

Babe you are above the name calling of other posters on here aren't you? I read your stuff and admire your tenacity. I think you are wrong on the facts some times, but you say what is on your mind. We need more people who do that instead of rolling over when the going gets tuff. I do believe in conspiracies not because I am a "conspiracy nut", but because I have spent thousands of hours of library research and have read hundreds of books. I am a meticulous scholarly man. I will readily admit when I am wrong,and quantify when I write opinion and not fact thank you.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 5:08 PM

Just to show there are no hard feelings Babe, I am officially changing my user name to Conspiracy Nut in honor of you.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 5:11 PM

Wow - was wondering if we were done for the day.

Beware of the ZOT - thanks for the warning. LOL

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 5:11 PM

Oh look, how cute...Babe's making more friends.

That's priceless Doctor.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 5:26 PM

"Beware the pro-choice VP"

The national Republican Party, GOP, aka the Gas & Oil Party, is pro-abortion. They only allow the pro-life plank in the platform, because they don't abide by their Republican Party platform anyway. It is meaningless to them. If they think that it will keep the pro-lifers happy, then they are willing to allow a "Pro-Life" plank in the platform, but only with the understanding that it will be never applied to their governance, if elected. They figure, "What the hell, let the pro-lifers have a bone, By giving them a plank in our platform, because we never read the platform anyway."

Now that is a true statement. So many Republicans have stated that they don't read, or, never read the platform. The platform is just something to attract the dummies, to make them think that they stand for something, when, in truth, the Republicans do not. They are confirmed, card carrying globalists and internationalists.

The Republicans do not want you to know where the products on the store shelves are made. They CONSTANTLY fight to do away with, or, water down "country of orign" legislation for all products in this country. They have successfully prohibited you from knowing where your steak is coming from. Is it a Mexican steak? A Canadian steak? A Argentine, Australian, or, American steak? You will never know as long as the Republicans have a say in doing away, or, not implementing country of origin labeling.

Want to know if your milk is genetically modified? Hell, no, you won't know, as long as Republicans have a say. Worried about genetically modified corn and other food grains? Don't worry, say the Republicans, if we won't tell you, then, you won't worry. See, they are looking out for you. They don't want you to worry, so, they see no need in telling you what you are eating, and where it came from.

Mighty, mighty considerate of them.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 5:49 PM

Now with Biden as VP, will Obama be "Reaganized" if he is elected President?

Not enough time to go into it now, but if there is only person whom I feared more than Hilary as VP, it is Biden.

I had strong feelings that if he won, and Hilary was his VP, that Obama would be "Reaganized", or, "Kennedyied" soon after his election. With Biden as VP, if Obama is elected, I, again, fear for his life.

Biden is a carrer hack politician. He has spent over half his life in the US Senate. No other job skills than dunning people for money every day of your life, so that you can get re-elected every six years. Look at Ted Stevens the Republican Senator from Alaska. Dirty, rotten to the core, nothing but a corrupt _______. (* the word rhymes with "core.")

Politicans who spend that time in office owe a lot of favors, and have made a lot of deals that have a familiar oder about them. Biden wanted to be president. No one likes him. He is a senator from Deleware. A state about the size of Chaffee. They are so small that they are allowed only one senator,instead of two. Deleware is known as "the" place to incorporate your business, no matter what state the business is actually located in. They are to corporations, what RENO is to divorces.

Biden was the author of the 1995 Anti_terrorism Bill. Funny how more control over the American people was at the top of his mind, long before there was a hint of terrorism in the US. He had no support for his bill, even from his senate Democrats, UNTIL, fortuantely for Biden and his languishing bill, persons unknown blew up the Murrah Building in OKC. Then, Biden's Anti_terorism bill sailed smoothly through congress, unchallenged,with even more freedom stripping amendments attached.

BIDEN was a HUGE supporter of the mockingly, ill-named, "Patriot Act." He had a hand in formulating it. He, also, was the main pusher of the wire tap legislation for Bush.

Where are the Democrats who claim to be for freedom, and liberty? Where are they on Biden as the VP choice? Hell, I would have rather seen Hilary, (choke) be the VP as I would Biden. If she were VP, I do believe that we would see more Arkancides, especially of the Vince Foster variety. Obama's life would not be worth a nickel either, if she were in the wings waiting for her chance to be President. With Biden in as VP, I really think that Obama's fate is sealed if he is elected. Biden is evil, the really slimy Dick Cheney kind of evil. The difference is, Cheney was willing to be VP and run the country by pulling the puppet strings of the compliant George W. Bush. Neither Biden, nor, Hillary would be content to run the government from the #2 position. Therefore, I fear for Obama's life.

It would be easy to patsy a white supremist, a racist as the perp. That story is just made for most dummy Americans. "A racist attacked President Obama." Yep, they would believe that in a minute. Blacks more readily than whites, at first, but most whites would soon come to be believers in that lie, as well. Most Americans cannot think beyond who their pick is for American Idol. They believe that Big Brother, Survivor, and "Professional" Wrestling are real. They do not have the mental reasoning powers to think and investigate beyond the "fall-guy" to see what lies beyond. They would never figure out who really carried out the crime. They were dazzled with BS over OKC and Nine-Eleven. They have became ready hardcore believers in the pure BS story they got from their government.

Life is so simple when you just don't think about the "hard stuff".

Obama, with Biden as your VP pick, watch your back. Don't make the fatal mistake of letting him cover your 6.

Just my opinion, but I do have concerns that go beyond Obama's globalist inner self. Can't vote for McCain, can't vote for Obama. Looks like Baldwin, or, McKinney for me.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 6:22 PM

Hello all,

I have been reading the post trying to catch up on comments today, anyway I too wish to say that I hope Pups will be back on again soon also. I have really enjoyed getting to know Pups, he's a very nice guy and I respect him a great deal.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 6:30 PM

Speakout caller: "Girls are OK sitting quietly in class with their books."

Talk about a stereotype! I'm fine with separating girls and boys in classrooms, but not because of some cockamayme, neanderthal notion that girls want to be quiet and still and not interactive in learning. This kind of thinking is exactly the problem.

-- Posted by grisgris on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 6:41 PM

Hey, Goodbody,

On Senator Obama, you say you "fear for his life." Why don't you shut up that kind of talk. That would be a big help, and we'd all appreciate it.

-- Posted by grisgris on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 6:47 PM

Robert Goodbody i couldn't agree more about Biden. I have been thinking the exact same thing today. I want to add a bit more about your other post too:

I have been harping for years about country of origin labeling too. Especially meat and sea food. I quit eating salmon unless it is wild Alaskan salmon and marked as such. Most of the farm raised salmon and seafood we get these days is from China.They have no standards for water quality. They raise those fish in near sewer like conditions. Of course the FDA says they are healthy and safe.

I don't believe anything a government agency says anymore because they are all controlled by the fascist corporations who really run this country. They have allowed genetically modified food to be forced on the public without labeling. Even that inbred dolt Prince Charles recently said GMO food was a terrible mistake.http://www.newsmax.com/... Of course he never has had to eat any of it because the queen's family has their own food grown for them.

And the abortion thing. It is obvious to anyone who thinks, that the Republican party throws out the same bone every election. When they get elected they just give lip service to banning abortion.

This country has become a sort of death cult. We have aborted about 50 million babies since 1973. The corporate media did a masterful job selling the "need" and "right" for abortion.The country loves war and death and cry crocodile tears when hundreds of thousands of innocent men women and children are killed because of "collateral" damage.

My country right or wrong they say. We only kill them because we love them and want democracy for them whether they want it or not. And besides that we only use Jesus approved Christian bombs on them. At least that's what John McCain's former spiritual advisor's John Hagee and Rod Parsley have implied.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 6:50 PM


Biden rarely received more than ONE PERCENT of the Democratic Primary votes cast per state, and in most states he received ZERO percent!!!

To check how the Dems and the Gas and Oil Party did in the primaries, all the states are listed here. Just click on the state.


In his home state of Deleware, where he has been a US Senator for over 20 years, he received only THREE PERCENT, just a bit better than 2% milk, THREE PERCENT of the vote and only ONE Delegate from his HOME STATE DEMOCRATS in the primary.

Deleware Democratic Primary Vote

Candidate Votes Vote % Delegates Obama 51,148 53% 14

Clinton 40,760 43% 8

Biden 2,863 3% 1

Edwards 1,241 1% 0

BIDEN voted FOR the war in Iraq.

BIDEN throws billions of our tax dollars at the war against the Iraqi people each time it comes up for a vote for more funding.

BIDEN is a huge supporter of the Wire Tap bill

BIDEN was a primary pusher of the ill-named Patriot Act

BIDEN was a huge backer of the credit industry's fave Bankruptcy Bill.

BIDEN is a globalist and a snake.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 6:58 PM

...some of y'all are eat up...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 7:15 PM

Yep "Change We Can Believe In"

Not only is that slogan poor grammar, it is now proven to be false with the 25 year DC insider Joe Biden being added to the ticket.

I suppose some more change we can believe in will be the resurrected careers of Janet (Waco) Reno, Madeleine Albright (In 1996 then-UN Ambassador Madeleine Albright was asked by 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl, in reference to years of U.S.-led economic sanctions against Iraq, “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?” To which Ambassador Albright responded, “I think that is a very hard choice, but the price, we think, the price is worth it.” )

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 7:16 PM


Agreed, my eyes are bleeding.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 7:19 PM

"On Senator Obama, you say you "fear for his life." Why don't you shut up that kind of talk."

Ah, pish posh.

I believe that my comment has merit, given the GHWBush-CIA-Pentagon assassination of John F. Kennedy, Dr. Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy, the GHWBush assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan, Ron Brown, and that of Gary Webb.

We have globalists, and elitiists by birth in this country who would like nothing more than to see the middle class erased. This would return us to the heyday of elitism, the early to middle 1900's. In that day, there was hardly a middle class. The elite ruled near supreme. There was no middle class influence on politics, the economy, or, foreign policy. The elite liked it that way.

Through the legislation and policy of our government we are heading back to a more simple time for most Americans. A time where they will be so busy trying to survive, find any job, at any wage, so that their family can eat, and eek out a meager existance. In times like those, the elite theorize that Americans will be too busy trying to survive to worry about politics. There will be no middle class interference in globaist/elitist plans. They will not have the money to donate in an effort to thwart the ambitions of the elite. http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columni...

A group of people who are willing to blow up a federal building in OKC, blow up three buildings in NYC, and launch a minimal attack on their own Pentagon, killing over 3,000 people, would not let the assassination of a major political figure stand in their way of acheiving their goal.


Of course, you understand that this is just my opinion. You have a right to your own, and to desent; for now, at least.

Bad, worster times, they be a comin'. If you don't want to hear the bad news, just cover your ears.

Most Americans perfer to be conned into believing the government propaganda and in thinking only happy thoughts. You may as well not go against the trend.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 7:24 PM


Yes, he did mean "beer wagon". That was part of the ordinance, but the main reason for the ordinance being proposed was because "Thousand Oaks Winery" in Patton, Missouri, approached the Bollinger County Chamber of Commerce about possibly having a whine tasting event during Fall Festival, but it would have been located at a different park than where Fall Festival is held.

Being a Jeffersonian and a capitalist, I thought the idea was good, it had protective measures, such as a roped off area, plastic cups (as opposed to bottles) and police protection.

I thought this would be a good way to bring people into Marble Hill, patronize our businesses and generate revenue for our community and our county

Last Monday we voted on this issue. One alerman was supicously absent. One voted "no" and two of us voted "yes", however; The City Ordinance book states that a majority of City Council members must vote yes for an ordinance to pass (as opposed to a majority of a quorum).

A special meeting was called, I was notified on Wed. Members of the Marble Hill Optimist Club and First Baptist Church were in attendance at the meeting on Friday.

What a surprise... it was the same church that Alderman McCain attends, and this time who showed up to vote "no" along with Alderman Sears and Alderman Southwick.

I can't say that what I saw was a good example of Christian conduct, or Optimism.

I did see alot of hypocrisy, and a crowd that was unfriendly and downright cruel to the Chamber of Commerce president.

After the meeting they were laughing at her, and it suddeny occurred to me why we are losing businesses in our community...

-- Posted by mobushwhacker on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 7:41 PM


I know that you changed your moniker to appease BABE, but I do like your orginal one better....he-he. You are a champion in the InfoWar.

Thanks for reminding us about Madeline Albright. Yes, she said the half-million to over one million Iraqi's who died during the Bush-Clinton imposed "UN" sanctions, was worth the price. That is so contradictory to my hopes and aspirations for this country. Dead children all over the place and millions of Americans applauding. Sure, we had to imprison over 100,000 LOCAL Iraqi's, torture a few in front of their children, torture their children in front of them, but, hey... it was all worth it. The Surge is working, because we have killed so many Iraqi's, imprisoned them in their own land, and forced millions of them to flee to the desert, to other countries, like Syria, where the only work, by law, that they can get, is for their daughters to prostitute. Yep, we are one great, and moral people. A beacon unto the world. Makes you proud, doesn't it.

Madeline Albright, ALSO, said, when Yelstin stepped down, and put Putin in his place, before Putin was confirmed, that President Clinton had called Putin and explained the "THIRD WAY" to him. Albright continued on Meet the Press, "and Putin seemed to understand." She had just been asked by the moderator if we could get along with this new Putin fellow in Russia. Clinton was a big proponent of the "Thrid Way" principle.

I am worried about this country. In high school, of my own interest, I read, "NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON" by John Stormer, a head school master from St. Louis. Phyllis Schlafly's book, "A CHOICE NOT AN ECHO," and Barry Goldwater's 1960 book "The Conscience of a Conservative." All three books influenenced my life, and my decision to join the Marine Corps and go "fight communism over there, so we wouldn't have to fight commies here in southeast Missouri." I was so naive.

As I look back, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON, is a book well worth getting off of ebay, or, wherever you can find it. I understand that Stormer has an updated verison released just a few years ago. As an HS sophomore, I just couldn't understand, nor, comprehend what he was saying about all these groups, names that I cannot remember, but now that I am older, I realize that back in the early 60's, Stormer was talking about secretive groups, who influenced our government, much like the Council on Foreign Nations, Bilderbergers, Club of Rome, et al do today.

You have the right to call yourself any name which you choose. I just wanted to thank you for being an infowarrior, and bringing vital information and discussion into this forum.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 7:52 PM


Wow, was just now channel surfing. Landed on channel 39 on the local cable and say that they are doing a multi-hour marathon on the old Laruel and Hardy shorts. They are mostly from the 1930's.

Does life get any better than this? Off for awhile watching one of the greatest comedy duo's of all time.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:04 PM

Goodbody: "If you don't want to hear the bad news, just cover your ears."

Sir, I can take the bad news. What I can't take is the bull hockey conspiracy theories, especially the ones that gin up ideas about a presidential candidate getting killed. I don't consider your rants to be "news" at all, either good or bad. Your verbosity is astounding, makes me wonder if you're a Professor Know-It-All or just a lonely guy to whom no one listens. Lighten up, Guy.

-- Posted by grisgris on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:05 PM

Mr Goodbody

You wrote....

"Politicans who spend that time in office owe a lot of favors, and have made a lot of deals that have a familiar oder about them. Biden wanted to be president. No one likes him. He is a senator from Deleware. A state about the size of Chaffee. They are so small that they are allowed only one senator,instead of two. Deleware is known as "the" place to incorporate your business, no matter what state the business is actually located in. They are to corporations, what RENO is to divorces."

EVERY state has TWO senators.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:09 PM

Thanks for the kudos Robert G. The moniker change was for Babe's enjoyment today only.

I have read all of those books too. Up until just a few years ago, people like Limbaugh said that there was no such thing as the CFR and Trilateral Commission.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:10 PM

Goodbod on Biden -- "No one likes him."

Well, somebody must like him. His constituents have continuously voted to return him to office for 36 years. You sound like an old gossip.

-- Posted by grisgris on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:19 PM

"Deleware. A state about the size of Chaffee. They are so small that they are allowed only one senator,instead of two."


It was a joke...... it was a "size" joke about Deleware. Sorry that it wasn't obvious that I was kidding about the size of Deleware. I thought that when I said that the state of Deleware is about the size of Chaffee, that it would be obvious that I was funnin'.

Well, I guess we all know now why I am not a writer for the Letterman show.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:22 PM

For Biden to win only THREE PERCENT in his home state's pesidential primary, doesn't sound too enthralling to me. In the rest of the primaries where he competed, he got anywhere from ZERO, to ONE percent. Now, how that magnificent ZERO to ONE percent showing among Democrats helps Obama, you will have to splain it to me.

Your opinion on the matter seems to differ from mine. That is okay. For the time being, we still have the right to dissent, as long as we don't do it too loudly, or, with conviction.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:26 PM


Thanks for the update and clarification. Fundamentalists have gotten a toehold in influencing boards to disallow alcohol at events because they consider it a sin while others do not. And to squash a business that is trying to flourish in Missouri is just backward thinking.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:34 PM


You have it backasswards. In his early years Rush did get caught up in the conspiracy theories but soon distanced himself because they had no validity.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:45 PM


ONLY A LIBERAL would suggest how others should use their time productively.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:51 PM

For a person to be one that "nobody likes," Biden seems to be doing quite well for himself. All this while I thought that infamous label when to Cheney.

-- Posted by iago1 on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 8:53 PM

I'm more than thrilled that Biden is the vp choice. He has the talent of verbosity and constantly inserts his foot in his mouth. Also if Obama wanted change then why did he choose a 36 year congressman of the inside beltway gang? Obama is dire afraid of his inexperience.

Release the balloons.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 9:05 PM

"Fundamentalists have gotten a toehold in influencing boards to disallow alcohol at events because they consider it a sin while others do not. And to squash a business that is trying to flourish in Missouri is just backward thinking"

Babe, just to clarify one thing, we are talking about one particular church, others might have opposed the ordinance, but would have conducted themselves as Christians.

As for the last part of you statement, "backwards thinking" is exactly what is keeping businesses out of our community.

-- Posted by mobushwhacker on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 9:09 PM

I wish you educated folks would spell Delaware correctly,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,not Deleware.

-- Posted by changedname on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 9:21 PM


Okay, so you don't mind losing if you are treated politely by the churches? I still stand by my statement that fundalmentalists teetolallers are destroying events because of their personal beliefs. Even counties who choose to remain "dry" because they don't want the hassle of saloons and taverns makes exceptions for events.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 9:23 PM

It took me awhile but I figured out who Obama really is

Do like I did find a photo draw some glasses on him and who do you see??

Its Steve Urkel!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 9:56 PM

It took me awhile but I figured out who Obama really is

Do like I did find a photo draw some glasses on him and who do you see??

Its Steve Urkel!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 9:56 PM

Babe, I've got some bad news for you, but apparently this election will be hinged upon the Catholic vote. Prior to today, McCain thought he had the Catholic vote wrapped up in his fat little pudge digits. Since Biden has now entered that race, I'd say McCain will lose a good majority of them.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 9:58 PM


2 times is twice as nice

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 9:58 PM


IF you yelled for 8 years, 7 months and 6 days you would have produced enough sound energy to heat one cup of coffee.

(Hardly seems worth it.)

If you farted consistently for 6 years and 9 months, enough gas is produced to create the energy of an atomic bomb.

(Now that's more like it !)

The human heart creates enough pressure when it pumps out to the body to squirt blood 30 feet.


A pig's orgasm lasts 30 minutes..

(In my next life, I want to be a pig.)

A cockroach will live nine days without its head before it starves to death. (Creepy.)

(I'm still not over the pig.)

Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories a hour

(Don't try this at home, maybe at work)

The male praying mantis cannot copulate while its head is attached to its body. The female initiates sex by ripping the males head off.

(Honey, I'm home. What the...?!)

The flea can jump 350 times its body length. It's like a human jumping the length of a football field.

(30 minutes.. Lucky pig! Can you imagine?)

The catfish has over 27,000 taste buds.

(What could be so tasty on the bottom of a pond?)

Some lions mate over 50 times a day.

(I still want to be a pig in my next life...quality over quantity)

Butterflies taste with their feet.

(Something I always wanted to know.)

The strongest muscle in the body is the tongue. (Hmmmmmm......)

Right-handed people live, on average, nine years longer than left-handed people.

(If you're ambidextrous, do you split the difference?)

Elephants are the only animals that cannot jump.

(Okay, so that would be a good thing)

A cat's urine glows under a black light.

(I wonder who was paid to figure that out?)

An ostrich's eye is bigger than its brain..

( I know some people like that.)

Starfish have no brains

(I know some people like that too..)

Polar bears are left-handed.

(If they switch, they'll live a lot longer)

Humans and dolphins are the only species that have sex for pleasure.

(What about that pig??)

Now that you've smiled at least once, it's your turn to spread these crazy facts and send this to someone you want to bring a smile to, maybe even a chuckle.

In other words, send it to everyone !

(and God love that pig!)

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 10:11 PM

Babe can you show some proof about Limbaugh's early beliefs. Because I listened to Limbaugh from day one went he went national. I loved his show back then. I never once heard him talk about conspiracy theories and I heard him often scoff at people who did believe them. Well he did talk about conspiracy theories when Vince Foster and Ron Brown died.( I think Rush was right about them by the way)

He said many times that the CFR and Trilateral Commission were figments of callers imagination. I think you're wrong on this one Babe, but I don't have any solid proof other than my recollection.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 10:23 PM

Excerpts from a Dog's Diary......

8:00 am - Dog food! My favorite thing!

9:30 am - A car ride! My favorite thing!

9:40 am - A walk in the park! My favorite thing!

10:30 am - Got rubbed and petted! My favorite thing!

1:00 pm - Played in the yard! My favorite thing!

3:00 pm - Wagged my tail! My favorite thing!

5:00 pm - Milk bones! My favorite thing!

7:00 pm - Got to play ball! My favorite thing!

8:00 pm - Wow! Watched TV with the people! My favorite thing!

11:00 pm - Sleeping on the bed! My favorite thing!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 10:24 PM

Excerpts from a Cat's DIARY Day 983 of my captivity.

My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects.

They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while the other inmates and I are fed hash or some sort of dry nuggets.

Although I make my contempt for the rations perfectly clear, I nevertheless must eat something in order to keep up my strength.

The only thing that keeps me going is my dream of escape. In an attempt to disgust them, I once again vomit on the carpet.

Today I decapitated a mouse and dropped its headless body at their feet.

I had hoped this would strike fear into their hearts, since it clearly demonstrates what I am capable of.

However, they merely made condescending comments about what a 'good little hunter' I am. Bastards.

There was some sort of assembly of their accomplices tonight. I was placed in solitary confinement for the duration of the event.

However, I could hear the noises and smell the food. I overheard that my confinement was due to the power of 'allergies.'

I must learn what this means and how to use it to my advantage.

Today I was almost successful in an attempt to assassinate one of my tormentors by weaving around his feet as he was walking.

I must try this again tomorrow - but at the top of the stairs.

I am convinced that the other prisoners here are flunkies and snitches. The dog receives special privileges.

He is regularly released - and seems to be more than willing to return. He is obviously retarded.

The bird has got to be an informant. I observe him communicating with the guards regularly.

I am certain that he reports my every move. My captors have arranged protective custody for him in an elevated cell, so he is safe.

For now................ .

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 10:27 PM


-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 10:29 PM

Has anyone else noticed Babe seems particularly nervous and upset about the upcoming elections. I must say, I am truly enjoying the obtuse offensive strikes.

I agree with Melange's assessment of the conservatives' views, "low blows"! Very amusing!

-- Posted by Theorist on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 10:38 PM

"I wish you educated folks would spell Delaware correctly,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,not Deleware."

-- Posted by dexterite on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, 8:21 pm CDT

You are quite correct. I have become sloppy in my spelling.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 10:40 PM


Tough Crowd!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 10:42 PM

Where is Twiggy/Aggie When you need them??

They love to laugh!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 10:45 PM

Interesting article btw.


-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 10:46 PM

OK this is my last attempt!!

Barack Obama got where he's at by saying that he would bring change, you know Washington's next and best Pooper Scooper!

By choosing Joe Biden as his running mate all he's done is become Washington's newest CRAP COLLECTOR!!


-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 10:55 PM

Just to be clear on my last post. I said I used to like Limbaugh way back when. I can't stand the guy now.

Didn't he say after the 2006 disaster election for the Repubs that he was tired of carrying their water? Looks to me like they set him straight and he has been doing a good job carrying it again.

By the way I can't stomach any of the candidates. They are both puppets of the New World Order. Obama gave his NWO speech in Berlin and his wife is a member of the CFR in Chicago. Biden is a war monger of the worst kind. He pretends to be otherwise in his speeches but he votes otherwise. And McCain can't wait to send us in to more wars. They both scare the F word out of me.

We could have had Ron Paul, but this country loves perpetual war. War on T.V. sells alot of beer and pizza. All of this is my opinion of course.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 11:02 PM

I don't understand:

Did I wake up in the Twilight Zone this morning??

OK you stuffed shirts win,

Beam me up Scotty.

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 11:07 PM


Biden is a CINO.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 11:08 PM

RUSH, the Conspiracy Theorist.

Infowarrior, once again, you have it correct.

Except for the alluding to the Clinton's were involved in the Ron Brown and Vince Foster killings, he has NEVER, EVER supported Conspiracy Theories. He would have not called those killings a theory, probably not even a conspriacy. He just matter of factly stated that they did it. That is the way that I remember Rush and his accounts of those deaths. Not bluntly calling it a conspriacy, but "Hey, we all know that they did it." He stated it as a matter of fact, not a theory, nor, a conspiracy. He has never met a conspiracy that he didn't think to be only a theory. He is the perfect "tool" for the globalists to spread disinformation and 1984-type definitions and dialogue....Black is White, Slavery is Freedom, etc.

Remember RUSH's short-lived Television show? He relentlessly attacked anyone who was anti-UN as being a kook, nutso, and a conspiracy theorist. He wagged his tongue constantly on the program about these anti-UN people, many of whom were his devoted, most ardent listeners. He enjoyed showing Bill Clinton, laughing, then when he saw the cameras, Clinton faking it by turning solemn upon leaving the Ron Brown funeral. But, he never referred to Ron Brown's killing, or, that of Vince Foster as an outright conspiracy.

I have a friend who has been RUSH FREE for 14 years. He stopped listening when RUSH began stumping in earnest for the passage of NAFTA and GATT. Wish I could say the same. It took me a couple more years to shed my belief in RUSH. Now, I know him for what he is; an elitist, and a globalist well paid toadie trojan for the New World Order. Rush Limbaugh has a very special place in hell, just waiting for him. He is, in my opinion, the great deceiver, better yet, he is the SUPREME JUDAS GOAT.

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. —

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 11:13 PM

Oh do tell, what in the world is a CINO? And don't tell me to look it up, just explain please. I'm so sick of the way you communicate things. It'd be like me calling you a Fleetneet or a Schronk.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 11:15 PM


Biden is a Catholic in name only.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 11:20 PM

Great Babe,

Reply 68 - Posted by: jigzsaw, 8/23/2008 6:22:40 AM

Interesting that in the article Joe Biden was so thankful for getting a second chance due to his health issues. Too bad the 40 million aborted babies were denied that same chance. And I love that they keep touting that he is Catholic...he's a CINO.

Been readling http://www.lucianne.com today??

If he's Irish, he's more than Just Catholic In Name Only.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 11:23 PM

Wow...everybody seems to be upset about Biden. I'm not...my friends and I think he's cute, funny and clever. We like that he is Catholic and has raised his family well. We expect Biden to make some slips...things like that happen when you speak from the heart...it's not always PC. We think that Obama made a wise choice and are now looking forward to see what kind of stuff McCain drags up. We're wondering if McCain will stoop as low as Bush to win the election (I mean it worked against McCain and now he and Bush are the best of friends). I had expected more from McCain, but I guess if you can't beat'um, you join'um. Anyway that cost him my vote. Hi Pups!

-- Posted by concerned4all on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 11:27 PM


Biden is a Catholic in name only.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, 10:20 pm CDT

and are you?

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 11:28 PM

Why do you think the Democratic party has held the confidence of so many Catholics Babe? The social issues. In actuality, Catholics are disenfranchised The Republican party as well. In faith, a Catholic shouldn't support candidates that support the either the death penalty or war.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 11:29 PM

Also, John McCain only has a 66% rating with the National Right to Life Committee.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 11:32 PM

Catholic Populations by State

Make up your own mind if Biden, a pro-abortion Cathoic, if there is such a thing, will help Obama all that much. His evilness connected to the ill-named "Patriot" Act, support of wire taping Americans, support of the bankers in the bankruptcy bill, support of the killing fields in Iraq by this government, and his suspicous connection to anti-freedom "terrorism" legislation going back to just before the OKC bombing, and I just don't see any raging support for the Biden-Obama ticket. It doesn't give me a warm fuzzy.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 11:42 PM


Ommitted these last post... sorry. Make up your own mind, by determing how Obama did in these states, and see if you think that Obama will get a Catholic bounce by having a pro-abort little "c" Catholic on the ticket.

Ranking Number of Catholics State Percentage of State population

1 10,906,992 California 28.8%

2 7,433,366 New York 37.6%

3 6,742,690 Texas 29.2%

4 4,865,216 Massachusetts 42.7%

5 3,867,102 Illinois 63.0%

6 3,614,694 Pennsylvania 29.4%

7 3,605,265 New Jersey 41.1%

8 2,265,450 Florida 12.7%

9 2,128,619 Ohio 18.5%

10 2,064,103 Michigan 20.5%

11 1,605,155 Wisconsin 29.0%

12 1,357,992 Connecticut 38.7%

13 1,093,533 Minnesota 21.5%

14 908,123 Arizona 15.7%

15 835,581 Missouri 14.7%

16 816,260 Louisiana - 2005 total 26.1%

17 767,349 Indiana 12.3

18 745,614 Washington State 12.0%

19 666,213 Colorado 14.7%

20 661,300 Nevada 27.7%

21 640,274 Rhode Island 59.2%

22 620,399 Virginia 8.1%

23 575,824 Washington, D.C. 21.9%

24 517,679 Maryland 16.9%

25 494,698 Iowa 17.1%

26 494,449 New Mexico 21.4%

27 441,749 Georgia 5.1%

28 432,170 Oregon 12.1%

29 406,916 Kansas 15.1%

30 387,062 Kentucky 9.7%

31 375,808 Nebraska 21.4%

32 336,738 North Carolina 3.9%

33 314,471 New Hampshire 24.0%

34 230,000 Delaware 18.3%

35 200,000 Utah 8.3%

36 193,228 Maine 15.1%

37 190,684 Tennessee 3.2%

38 160,878 Oklahoma 4.6%

39 157,450 South Carolina 3.7%

40 154,435 South Dakota 20.5%

41 153,939 Alabama 3.4%

42 148,100 Idaho 10.4%

43 145,789 North Dakota 22.2%

44 143,240 Hawaii 11.3%

45 118,000 Vermont 19.0%

46 117,942 Mississippi 4.0%

47 110,409 Montana 12.1%

48 107,524 Arkansas 3.9%

49 82,749 West Virginia 4.6%

50 55,643 Alaska 8.7%

51 49,121 Wyoming 9.7%

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 11:45 PM


How About them Cardinals!!

-- Posted by Silent_Bob on Sat, Aug 23, 2008, at 11:52 PM


I used to read Lucianne years ago. She used to be a freeper before creating her own site because she had a bone to pick with JimRob. Many of her members migrated to freerepublic in 2000 because she let her son create impossible rules of debate and interaction.

She is so passe as to be laughable.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 24, 2008, at 12:00 AM

Robert, you got mail *wink*

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sun, Aug 24, 2008, at 12:03 AM


Here is a very recent, pre-Biden clip from a column written on the Catholic Report website concerning Obama's problems with some voters. If the author is correct when he says that pro-abort Catholic Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius, who is denied the sacrement of Holy Communion by her Kansas Bishop would be a bad VP choice, I doubt if traditional Catholics will warm up to Joe Biden, who has even more baggage. Just my opinion.

--------------- http://www.catholicreport.org/?id=276

Catholic Voters of the Heartland Key Group In Electing John McCain President By Dave Hartline

"When all is said and done in the 2008 Presidential Election, Catholic voters of the Heartland, primarily Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania will more than likely be the key demographic group that elects Senator John McCain as President. The Heartland, especially Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania has a disproportionate amount of Catholics, who unlike their brethren in the Northeast and West more faithfully adhere to the Church’s teachings, especially as it relates to abortion. In my book, The Tide Is Turning Toward Catholicism, I detail a turn toward religious orthodoxy among the laity and clergy, especially among the young (laity) and the newly ordained (priests.)

For years Catholics were the key constituency that made up the backbone of the Democratic Party. However, this alliance that was created during the New Deal, ran afoul during the 1970s when the party was taken over by cultural elites who wanted to change the fabric of American society. It became all too clear for many practicing Catholics that traditional values, especially religion, is something these elites tolerate but don’t respect. From a personal perspective in addition to working for the Church, I have also worked on Capitol Hill. In my time on Capitol Hill, I met far too many liberal operatives who had the same idea about religion as I have about Brussels sprouts, I don’t mind if you enjoy them, but I don’t want to smell, hear or see them. This type of anti-religious mindset turns off many Heartland Catholic voters.

Senator Barack Obama’s poor showing in the Democratic Primary states of Ohio and Pennsylvania (Michigan Democratic Primary was not fully contested because of rules violations) showed that many ethnic Democrats never warmed up to Senator Obama because of his associations with less than savory characters like Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Father Michael Pfleger, and 1960s Weather Underground terrorist William Ayres. Senator Obama relied on a warm mainstream media reception to his candidacy and the cult of celebrity that seemed to follow and support him. While, members of the mainstream media and the adjoining celebrity culture may be idolized in some states, the key states of Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania really don’t relish those people and places that make fun of the Heartland and their belief systems.

The most underreported event of the campaign to this point may have been then Illinois State Senator Obama’s controversial vote against an Illinois provision that would have provided medical attention for those babies who survived an abortion. This vote, especially for pro-life Catholic voters, will be hard to explain since even the pro-abortion group National Abortion Rights Action League took no position on it. Yet, Senator Obama did. He was the lone voice who rose to speak against it on the Illinois State Senate floor.

Senator Obama has been making a series of campaign errors since he defeated Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton for the Democratic Nomination. None of these tactical errors surpasses his European Victory Lap, which I wrote about in July. Few in the mainstream media spoke of this at the time, but the trip really rubbed many in the Heartland the wrong way. While the trip seemed to please his supporters in other parts of the country, many Heartland voters were really turned off by this European excursion and these same voters are the ones Senator Obama needs.

The perception that Senator Obama gave many Heartland voters, whether correct of not, that he was apologizing to Europe for America and her policies was a tactical mistake of the highest order. One only need listen to local talk radio, as well as coffee shop conversation immediately following the trip to understand this point. These folks may have varying opinions on how to solve the Energy Crisis or whether the Iraq War was necessary. However, Senator Obama’s refusal to admit that the “Surge Strategy” in Iraq was the correct decision coupled with his refusal, or at best a last resort option to allow oil drilling off America’s shores, doesn’t pass muster with Heartland voters, many of which voted twice for both Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton.

Senator Obama’s Vice Presidential choice could really seal his fate. Unless he picks a leader with an aura of gravitas such as former Georgia Senator Sam Nunn, the Senator from Illinois could further alienate voters, especially Catholic pro-life voters with someone such as Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius or Massachusetts Senator John Kerry. Sibelius would be a disaster for traditional minded Catholics in the Heartland.

Governor Sebelius is prevented from receiving Communion from her local bishop for not only her support of abortion but her hob knobbing with the infamous late term abortionist, Dr. George Tiller. The infamous abortion doctor has admitted to having performed abortions on the very day the baby was due to be born. Pictures that emerged of Governor Sebelius and Dr Tiller engaged in warm and friendly banter at a private party honoring the infamous abortion doctor sent chills up and down the spines of many pro-lifers. Picking her to be the nominee would akin to writing off much of the Catholic vote in the Heartland.

Senator Kerry while certainly a more experienced hand at military and foreign policy would be seen as someone who snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory in the last presidential election. Additional pictures of the Massachusetts Senator engaged in his favorite past time of wind surfing would not be well received in the economically hard hit, and former Democratic strongholds, of Flint, Michigan, Youngtown, Ohio or Scranton, Pennsylvania.

As evidenced by his paltry showing in parts of Ohio and Pennsylvania, Senator Obama has a long way to go to change the perception of him. It is doubtful that any Vice Presidential candidate can change this equation. To understand this point, one only need look at the historic low numbers Senator Obama received in the Democratic stronghold of Ohio and Pennsylvania, when he basically had the nomination wrapped up. In some Ohio counties Senator Obama only tallied between 10%-20% of the Democractic Primary vote. "

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sun, Aug 24, 2008, at 12:06 AM

Oh Babe, I really do "want" to like you sometimes. Why don't you join with me, and we can reform the Democratic party to something more traditional. I'll admit, the Democratic party has disenfranchised traditional values, but the Republican party has sold out the working class to Corporate America. Of course we'll both have to compromise on a few things. I truly believe we can have a party that's Pro-Gun, and Pro-Social Justice.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sun, Aug 24, 2008, at 12:09 AM


What do you think would restore the Catholic foundation in the Democratic party (IE the obvious) the current abortion stance.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sun, Aug 24, 2008, at 12:18 AM

Oh lord love a duck...this election will not revolve around any religious vote. It will be about the ecomomy and national security. Obama chose Biden for his experience in foreign affairs not his religion. But it won't help him any as he is still a naivety in all matters of being a POTUS. My predication is that Biden will hog the stage from Obama. Just wait and see.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 24, 2008, at 12:24 AM

"Oh lord love a duck...this election will not revolve around any religious vote. It will be about the ecomomy and national security. Obama chose Biden for his experience in foreign affairs not his religion."

Well Babe, I beg to differ there. Look at Obama's short list.

Kaine, Casey, Biden, Sebelius, (all Catholic) Bayh was an Episcopalian (almost catholic)

Catholic religion not a determinate? You might want to rethink that.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sun, Aug 24, 2008, at 12:37 AM

This issues may not be religious, but the voters are. Who do you think Mike Huckabee was representing?

It will be interesting to see who McCain picks.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sun, Aug 24, 2008, at 12:40 AM

Au Contraire!

"The Religious Vote" as you called it, plays a significant part in our elections.

Just ask Wayne Wallingford. He is as pro-life as they come. Yet, that obnoxious "Missouri Right to Life" hoo-ha, gave their only endorsement to Clint Tracy. I have no respect for Missouri Right to Life. They have made some very odd endoresments, as far back as when they denied Francis X. Hastings, who practically had PRO-LIFE tattooed to his forehead and buttocks, and gave it to his opponet. I suspect it was because his opponent was the incumbent. Frank really was pro-life, and lived it every day. He spoke to groups about abortion, he devoted his heart and soul to the cause, yet Missouri Right to Life denied him their official blessing. My opinions about Missouri Right to Life and their odd endorsements, are my own. However, I am quite sure that I am not alone in this thinking.

Missouri has more than it's share of ignorant people who find it necessary to vote. I wish that they wouldn't, as it really messes up things.

Then, there is that awful group, the AFA. The so-called Amerian Families Association. It is my opinion that they are nothing but a thinly disquised front organization for the Republican party to keep in line, the ignorant voters who hold Christian views but who never do their own research. They anxiously wait for an email, or, an mailing from AFA tellling them how they should vote. Republican, of course, always Repubican, no matter the corruption, no matter the death that they have loosed upon our nation and those of Iraq, and Afghanistan, but that is not the issue, "Vote Republican, because judges will be chosen, and Republicans are the ones we want." Yep, the AFA, in my opinion is nothing but a cheap way to keep the ignorant in line, "don't ya dare think about the economy, the loss of jobs, the war on the innocent Iraqi and Afghan people, the illegals who are flooded here by Republicans to take jobs and drive the wages of others down... don't think about how Republicans have held majorities in Congress, and the Presidency, yet did nothing about your favorite issue, Aboriton, Don't think about the disappearing middle class, don't think about the fact that THREE REPUBLICAN JUDGES on the US Supreme Court, joined with the two lone Democrat Judges to say that you don't really own your house that, CONTRARY to the US Constitution, they ruled that governments can literally jump in bed and take your house for a private development. Don't think that those same five judges, the two Democrats and THREE REPUBLICANS struck down state sodomy laws aimed at curtailing public homosexual sex acts. You just don't think. Sit there by your mailbox, or, your computer and await the next propaganda piece from the American Families Association, so you will know how to vote. Just don't think. The AFA will do it all for you.

And, you didn't think that the religious vote would matter... pish posh.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sun, Aug 24, 2008, at 12:44 AM

Today, in Springfield, Obama introduced his running mate, Biden, as the 'next president of the United States'.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 24, 2008, at 12:45 AM

Let's look at McCain's short list.

Romney - religious connections

Huckabee - Evangelical

Pawlenty - Evangelical

Ridge - Catholic

Jindal - Catholic

Lieberman - Jew

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sun, Aug 24, 2008, at 12:54 AM

Terri Schiavo

It was a REPUBLICAN Pinellas County Judge, George Greer, who executed Terri Schiavo.

It was the Republcian Justice Anthony Kennedy, who has jurisdiction over Florida, Georgia and Alabama, and could have ruled on the Terri Schiavo life saving petition on his own, but referred the appeal to the entire Supreme Court. The REPUBLICAN US SUPREME COURT (2 dems-vs-7 Republcians)

REFUSED to hear Terri's petition to let her live.

Worster still.... The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta, denied Terri Schiavo's petiton to allow her to live.

There are TWELVE JUSTICES on the 11th Circuit Court. SEVEN OF THEM ARE REPUBLICANS. Guess how many of those SEVEN REPUBLICANS gave a dissenting opinion in the Terri Schaivo case and wanted her to live???? HUMMM? Any guesses?

ZERO...let me say that again...ZERO Republican Justices on the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta wanted Terri Schaivo to live. There were TWO dissenting oppinions cast in that case. ONLY TWO 11th Circuit Court of Appeals Court Justices wanted Terri to live. Guess from whence they came?


REPUBLICANS... once again, the party of DEATH.

yeah, you AFA DUMMIES... when you get your little piece in the mail to vote for Republicans because AFA wants Republicans to pick the judges... throw that piece of crap in the trash can where it belongs.

For God's sake, think... THINK before you vote. It really does matter how you vote. Do some research... it isn't hard. Just do it.

-- Posted by Robert Goodbody on Sun, Aug 24, 2008, at 1:11 AM

Mr Goodbody

Terri was killed by her own husband. Jeb Bush did all he could to save her as you well know. At least, I think you do.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 24, 2008, at 1:54 AM


It is not a matter of whether I won or lost. Clearly the City lost, and I know several members from the church that attended the meeting, who are very good people, in fact, I wish they had been there to see how their fellow members acted.

I have a blog that details my experiences as an alderman, and believe me, it is not fun and games.

You can read about Friday's meeting by clicking on the following link:


-- Posted by mobushwhacker on Sun, Aug 24, 2008, at 12:41 PM

Respond to this story

Posting a comment requires free registration: