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Speak Out 8/18/08

Monday, August 18, 2008

Not a good plan

AN ORDINANCE to allow golf carts or mules on public roads is the most unsafe and irresponsible thing I have heard in a long time.

Sorry for victim

WE SHOULD go slow on removing the option that a juvenile who commits an adult crime will go to an adult penitentiary. I know this is a sad situation, but let's also think of the victim. I feel sorry for the families involved, but I also feel sorry for the victim.

School supplies

I HAD to chuckle when I read Cape Girardeau School District assistant superintendent Pat Finger's comment about how teachers provide extra school supplies. Some of the teachers might, but as a parent who always gave extra supplies at the beginning of the year, it amazes how the administration has no idea what goes on. In middle school, some of the teachers ask students if they have extra folders or paper. At the junior high, the teachers either charge you for a pencil or let you borrow one, confiscating your name tag until the pencil is returned.

Getting assistance

OVER THE last seven years, Cape Girardeau Fire Department personnel have responded to my calls to put me back on my feet. Again yesterday you were riding on your big engine to put me upright. Gentlemen and ladies, thank you.

Weeds in the park

I RECENTLY took my son to the Delta park. I don't know who is in charge of the park, but we couldn't play basketball because of the weeds growing in the court.

Working prisoners

I'M A delivery driver in Cape Girardeau. Quite often we deliver to Scott City. How awesome it is to drive through Scott City and see prisoners working. Other towns should take lessons from Scott City. Keep up the good work.

Blanchard is great

AS THE mother of a child who just spent two incredible years at Blanchard Elementary School, I have a few choice words for parents who listed it as their third or fourth choice when deciding where to send their children this year. Blanchard is an unbelievably positive, caring place where a child's welfare is always put first. The teachers work so hard to make sure their students succeed at every level. Get involved. See for yourself what an amazing place Blanchard is. It is the perfect place for your children to learn and grow into respectful, educated young people.

Inventive reasons

THIS PRESIDENTIAL campaign has proved to be entertaining, especially the inventive ways people come up with to say they will never vote for a black person without directly saying that they will never vote for a black person.

Tractor on the road

I'VE BEEN taking County Road 450 because of construction at the Highway 72-34 junction. A farmer has been parking his tractor on the road so you have to get off the gravel road to go around it. My taxes help pay upkeep on that road. It's not a personal driveway.

Sinking ship

AS I read where a number of students will be bused to schools where academic achievement is higher, my thoughts go back to a sinking ship. Most people are good swimmers, some better than others. But as civilized human beings, we are obligated to help others in every way we can. Put life jackets on passengers from a sinking ship and tell them to remain calm, but don't let them grab you around the neck and pull you under or you, too, may drown.

Regents need to act

ISN'T IT high time that the board of regents at Southeast Missouri State University take an active role? The administration at SEMO has been deteriorating for years, and the NCAA issue with men's basketball is another chip in the handle. Regents, do your job.

Cell phones in school

KUDOS TO the schools that are banning students from using cell phones during school. If an emergency comes up, I'm sure the school staff will immediately contact the parent. It is ridiculous to think students are allowed to text during class. No wonder there are problems with kids learning. They are too busy being social and using their cell phones as a tool to cheat and cause trouble. I wish the Cape Girardeau and Jackson schools would give some serious consideration to banning cell phones also.

Wake up the parents

JEFFERSON ELEMENTARY School is getting a bad name because of all these students wanting to transfer. It's not the school. It's the parents who make this school look this way. I was at Jefferson for three years before moving. Did I want to move my family away from the south side of Cape Girardeau? Yes. There are excellent teachers at Jefferson. The problem is that there is no parent involvement at this school. The kids run in the streets until dark, sometimes later, with no parents around. They take this attitude to school, and there is no way the principal can control all of these kids. Jefferson is a great school with wonderful teachers, staff and students with potential. Wake up the parents to change the school. Parents have to care about their kids and their education for them to succeed.

Classroom reality

MICHAEL JENSEN'S Aug. 13 column is somewhat true. My honor-roll child gets disgusted with disruptive fellow students. But has Mr. Jensen been in the classroom lately? Last year my child did his best on the MAP testing. The math questions were never covered at the junior-high level. The teachers miss at least eight to 10 days for meetings a year. Some teachers, but not all of them, are on the computer during classroom time e-mailing each other or not in the classroom at all. I used to volunteer but got tired of watching and listening to students being made fun of by the teachers.

P&G allegations

I WOULD like to comment on the racial allegations against Procter & Gamble. P&G has a strict policy against any type of discrimination, and all employees take many types of training about diversity and teamwork. I have been with the company for over 20 years and have never seen any other company match their record for inclusiveness. I would welcome the FBI's involvement with the allegations. I believe everyone involved with the allegations should be interviewed, including the people making the allegations.


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I agree with the person who said that people are hung up about voting for a black man. I look at it this way... 100 years ago, a lot of people thought that women shouldn't be allowed to vote. I think that the idea of a true free society scares a lot of people. Personally, I'm not going to vote for Obama, but it's not because of his skin color. NOW, if he does happen to win (and he probably will), I figure that it's just the next step in getting past all of this racial crap that is coming to surface. And we need to get past it, because a LOT of people are completely terrified of seeing a black man in the white house. To those people, I say that you might as well just go to another country, because this U.S.A. will never be 100% white again... come to think of it, it never was!

-- Posted by Swollen_Thumb on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 3:34 AM

School supplies

When I was a kid the school provided most everything> I pay almost $2K a year in taxes and most of it to the school and they still make me spend what little I have left in the bank for supplies.

Weeds in the park

You think that's bad, check out Cape Rock Park. The benches are falling apart, things needing paint, hillside eroding, trash, and the some of the monuments vandalized.

Inventive reasons

OK, I will never vote for THIS Black Person. How's that? It has nothing to do with the fact that he is black, anyone who uses the words black, white, brown or whatever is being racist. Why not just say "that guy" not that "black guy or white guy." Obama's not getting my vote for a lot more reasons than his skin color.

Sinking ship

After you receive your child's first report card you can tell if they are in need of improvement, if you fail to take action then it's YOUR FAULT! In some cases it may be the teachers who are failing but I put my money on the ones who are really to blame.

Cell phones in school

I agree cell phones should be turned off during school but students should be allowed to keep them in their possession. If something happens to them during the day (God Forbid) they would have access.

-- Posted by hotshot202 on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 7:43 AM

Blanchard

I don't know a lot about the schools in Cape but maybe Blanchard was lower on some parents choice because the others were actually closer or their child knows someone in the school they selected as their first choice. Besides I do not think the answer is moving students to another school. You have a class full of kids 75% pass and do well on the MAP test the other 25% struggle so how can it be all the teacher and school when a larger % is doing well.

School supplies

Several of the teachers my children have had have spent their own money providing supplies for kids in their class that can not afford them as well as those who run out of something during the day. I admit it aggravates me when kleenex, hand cleaner etc are on the supply list for the kids but I buy them because I know somewhere during the year my child will need a kleenex and with everything else the teachers pay for ( supplies, bulletin board decor, classroom decorations etc ) it won't break me to spend a couple of bucks for these community items.

Cell phones

I have mixed feelings about a cell phone ban. Do kids need them in class no but banning them from the school can cause more problems than good. Kids leave them in their car then the cars get broke into. At least here they can lock them up in their locker or keep them in their purse or pocket as long as they are turned off. If they get caught with it out during the school day the phone get taken to the office and the parent has to go pick it up and no more phone at school. Funny though all of these policies are covering the high school and some jr highs but has anyone been in an elemetary school lately and saw how many 8 and 9 year olds have cell phones as well.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 8:29 AM

..personally , i see no good use for students

to have cell phones at school ....what did everyone

do before there was such a thing as cell phones ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 8:40 AM

rick

I have wondered that as well

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 8:50 AM

My granddaughter carries a cell phone now because she now walks to her bus stop alone.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 10:39 AM

Inventive reasons, Yes, what a conundrum for the democrats. Just when they thought they had the weakest Republican candidate to face they nominate a man that the racists in their own party will not support. I'm sure at the convention Hill, Bill and Barry will hug and all those bitter dems will overcome their racial anxiety.

-- Posted by stevmo on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 10:58 AM

re: P&G allegations

Well, well, what do we have here? Matt Sanders shut down a discussion of this the other day.

http://www.semissourian.com/article/2008...

And now the paper prints this comment in SO?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 11:23 AM

re: school supplies

We have been told for years that teachers spend hundreds of dollars of their own money for supplies and crafts. It's good to hear from parents who tell a different story.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 11:28 AM

MeLange

You posted....

"Weeds in the park,

Truly wonder IF Delta Park's department reads Speak Out comments? Why not call Delta city hall? Perhaps your concern would be addressed a little quicker."

What, you don't think the hillbillys out in the boondocks of Delta can't read SO but leave it to the more sophisticated persons, such as yourself, to pontificate? Perhaps the person has already called City Hall but wanted to call attention to other citizens about the problem in hopes it would be solved more quickly.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 11:50 AM

In the article about County Road 623 today it said that some owners had paid the county ten years ago. I am wondering the same as the person posting a comment. Who will account for the money?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 11:57 AM

Hilleco

I think it's just the opposite.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 12:03 PM

Hilleco

Okay, you say tahmato and I say toemato. So what you are saying is that parents should be responsible for their child's education and search for alternatives if it is not provided by competent schools? If so, I do too but I also think that since we do have a public school system they should be held accountable for incompetence or neglect.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 12:46 PM

OK, look, kids should be allowed to have cell phones, but not be allowed to use them during school hours. We passed notes in school, today kids use cell phone texting - constantly. Most are so talented at texting that they can text "in the blind" with one hand while the phone is hidden in a pocket, purse, backpack, etc., so the teachers and admin folks don't have a clue that a kid is texting.

However, it's great to be able to be notified if your child is ready to be picked up, asking permission to go to a friends house after school, etc. Cell phones, yes, but turn them off during school.

-- Posted by Hawker on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 12:50 PM

I don't normally like posting links, like below (if I did it right); however, it reminded me about something I did a couple of weeks ago...then wondered if I did the right thing.

Background: I've been pretty clear that I support a prolonged presence in Iraq, preferably with reasonably massive forces. In simpler words, I SUPPORT being in Iraq. But with that said, I'm starting to have some conflicting thoughts being influenced by certain future circumstances, say, beginning in 2009. It is MY opinion, based on some history and even more current observations, that socialists generally show contempt for the military. And when socialists or communists (soc-comms) find themselves in a shooting war, they tend to throw their military into the fray with no regard for loss of life...come to think of it, no regard for civilian losses either. Now, with the prospect of a soc-comm Politburo (formerly known as Congress) and perhaps a mulatto Marxian Mullah as Commander in Chief, who has already shown his contempt for the military, I'm not as bothered by what I told a young man recently.

Here's what I did: A young National Guardsman I've known for awhile came up to me and said he just got orders to Iraq, for a tour of duty for at least a year. I rather instinctively asked him if he had enough time in the Guard to put in for an honorable discharge. He said no and, although he was not going to make it a career, he committed to a certain number of years and intended to honor that commitment, no matter what. That made me proud of him; however, he then asked why I asked him such a question. So I told him my above concerns, and added that if I were still on active duty, I'd certainly be contemplating putting in my retirement papers if possible to do so. Anyway, I thanked the young man for his honor and commitment, and wished him God's speed. Haven't seen him lately, so I guess he's off to pre-deployment training. Well, I somewhat doubted myself for awhile about what I told this person, but I don't anymore. When the opportunity avails itself, I will probably encourage young people thinking about going into military service to just hold off and think about some of my thoughts above...and see what happens in the near future.

Sorry this is such a long and not-so-jocular post, but the article below (I hope) just kind of darkened my attitude for the day. I'm particularly interested in what recent Vets and those still on active duty think about combat Vets being tried in civie courts for what they did while on active duty, per the article below. It certainly tweaked my attitude...and not in a positive way. Herr out.

http://semissourian.com/article/20080818...

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 1:16 PM

Hilleco

Schools today are sliding into Dewey's beliefs, don't you think?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 1:21 PM

Herr

I think it's unlawful and unconstitutional what the grand jury, pa and judge are doing to this Marine. The saddest aspect in this whole farce is there is NO proof that a crime has even been comitted.

"If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the **** horse already!" per a post on freerepublic.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 1:56 PM

MeLange

I did not write the post thanking the Fire Department today although I do appreciate them. Evidently you thought the post was funny, though, for some reason.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 2:01 PM

C-Babe:

I hear ya there. And I realize a lot has changed with the military since I last served, but I'd still think that if a real crime was committed (per real evidence), then why couldn't that Vet be recalled to active duty to face a courts martial? That's what I had to consider for a few years...talk about stress and anxiety. Then again, I was trying to provoke a courts martial at one time, just to make the whole mess a matter of public record.

But, that's just one issue that I point out to young folks considering military service. And, guess what, there's a bunch of politics in the military, just like everywhere else, like corporations. It sure gave me a good bite on the rump.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 2:14 PM

Herr,

After reading that, I am glad my son is now out of the military; very unsettling.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 2:26 PM

Red:

Well said...if not sad, huh? I used to love encouraging young folks into at least trying out the military experience...even those who are well-to-do and college educated. Perhaps not anymore.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 2:32 PM

Herr

I agree that he should have had a courts martial if any evidence of a crime had been found. The article says that the military cannot prosecute if the person is discharged. Government is now allowed to bring charges that are essentially 'war crimes' in description although the intent is up for debate. I find it sickening that a Marine now faces trial because of a grand jury, pa and jury that have NO idea of military and/or war zones. Something must be done and soon.

You are right to warn others who are contemplating military service if this is the way they are treated.

PS...you must have lived a very interesting life so far. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 2:38 PM

Herr,

I agree, my son left a very good paying job to join the Army after formerly serving in another branch. I have never been more proud of anything in my life as when we attended the graduation ceremony at Ft. Benning. I still support the military, but they have no control over this type of thing it seems. I believe it will have a detrimental affect on service members, recruitment and retention.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 2:45 PM

Me'Lange

Another reason many kids have cell phones is it is cheaper to get a family plan for cell phones and each have their own than it is to have a cell phone and land line phone. My brother has phones for both of his sons on his plan and that is all they have no home phone. My oldest got her phone when she got into jr high before then she used mine if she was at practice of some sort, it worked.

Bear

Don't know about other places but here the school board is elected but they are not paid for what they do. I can however think of a principle I would like to put out of work. I am sure though if you closed the school we would still be taxed though probably for the upkeep of an empty building.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 2:46 PM

Herr

My family is all about military, Dad, brothers, uncles, cousins all served some still are. My oldest brother is 4 years from retirement and is seriously considering getting out and not doing the other 4 years because of some of the "changes". He feels war is something none of them want to do, it is what they are made to do so now how can they charge you for something they made you do. I hate to see him loose the pension when this close but I can understand it.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 2:53 PM

C-Babe:

Here's a radical thought for ya...not that I'm in any way radical (think I just attempted a "j/k" here!). Considering how some (operative word, "some") Lib-socs may interpret "war crimes", then, heck, anyone who puts on a uniform may be a war criminal! Kinda joshing...then again, maybe not.

Red:

Again, you're nailing it big-time. And you have every right to be proud of your son, and yourself as a father. And, yes, even after what the military/gov't did to me, I too still strongly support and admire the military. I still think about the fact that certain things are done for

"the needs of the mission"...and sometimes it personally hurts.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 2:58 PM

Herr,

I don’t know if I can adequately convey my thoughts on this, but will try. While I am a big proponent of the all volunteer military and recognize the many opportunities presented, it seems as though many no longer realize the unique nature of military service. Too many people view military service as just like any other “job”. It always surprised me when my son would get a call to take care of something, sometimes fairly serious and he would matter of fact turn to us and say, “Well, I gotta go to work.” One time we were talking to him via sat phone listening to small arms fire in the back ground. We place our young men and women in these life and death situations and then our legislators pass laws and we allow it to treat them “just like anyone else”. Military service is not a “job”, it is a calling in which great sacrifice is expected as a matter of course and those who chose to answer that call should not be treated like anyone else who may or may not have made a mistake at work. Don’t know if that made sense, pretty sensitive to me.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 3:24 PM

Hilleco & Semoangel:

Good points, both of you. And I may be a bit too trusting, or naive, but I always at least assumed that when people are old enough to put on the uniform, and follow through with it, that they should at least understand (or be info'd by loved ones) that "stuff" happens in the military that may not be too pleasant. Such things as horrible wounds, death, destruction and, yes, even the confusion and out-of-control emotions during the fog of war that just may lead to atrocious behavior at times.

Nobody, especially those in the military, really enjoy war (unless you're really messed up to begin with) and it's obvious consequences. And when questionably bad/illegal things happen, the military should be the first to correct those wrongs, especially prior to a bunch of civie busybodies getting involved. It's just my opinion that the military, vice civilian world, has far greater and harsher disciplinary options available. But, again, it's been awhile, so I could be wrong now.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 3:26 PM

Red:

The thoughts you expressed in your 2:24 p.m. post were pretty **** good, and meaningful to me. Thanks.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 3:30 PM

MeLange

Yes, our military deserve it but right now they aren't getting it from their country. What are we going to do about it, praytell?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 4:19 PM

Mel:

Just popped back in before I leave, so thought I'd say that's a pretty good point, on your part, especially when I think back to what some clowns in the Politburo, like John "Shovel-face" Kerry & Murtha, and the MSM had to say about some of our combat troops who were being wrongfully strung-up without even the benefit of adequate evidence presented against them. I still have a lot of heartburn, and bug elected officials, about Kerry and perhaps even the other "Anointed One" currently running for some sort of office (I think the White House), about how they could even be vetted for security clearances...especially high enough to fumble around the nuclear football! But, crud happens.

Hmmm. With that said, I should consider going out to seek a tweaker tool to adjust my not-so-jocular attitude. Geeze, going to do my laps ain't such a joyful thought, but I'll give ole gung-ho gig anyway. Herr out & about for awhile.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 4:35 PM

Babe,

As to what we can do. I contact my legislators any time I can to support the military and anytime I see someone in the service I thank them for their service. While I do not dispute Tom Brokaw’s book, “The Greatest Generation”, I am pretty darned proud of this generation too. It has been my experience that most of today’s service members go in with their eyes wide open, realizing that sacrifices will be required, pay will never be what it should be and that bad things will probably happen. As I said earlier, it is a calling and they don’t do it for the reasons we normally do our jobs. Anyone familiar with “Fleet Week” in New York knows that military personnel rarely if ever have to pay for a meal and are welcomed by the city with open arms, especially since 9/11. In other locations this is also common for all branches. If you have ever been around a bunch of Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Air Force, you know they don’t need uniforms to be recognized. My son and his friends were often approached and thanked and their meals paid for or their meals, often the were paid for anonymously. You have no idea how much this means to young men and women who are away from home and family, because no matter how often it happens, they don’t really expect it; they do not feel “entitled”. They are doing what they love for their own reasons, not money or accolades. I am not saying we should not continue to lobby for better pay, better health care, VA benefits and so on, I am just saying that some times simple acts of kindness and appreciation can mean more than you can imagine. Sorry for the long post, but it is one of my soft spots, always has been.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 4:51 PM

Me’Lange,

Ah, but what if they accepted they were to be used and embraced their role, does that not reinforce their humanity?

I always like philosophy, no money in it, but interesting.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 5:00 PM

Hilleco,

Was not in the service, but my brother and many friends were Vietnam Vets. My brother got a very good job after discharge from the Navy. The Department I worked with gave "bonus points" to veterans. I am not saying Veterans of that area did not have problems, but I never knew of anyone who wanted to work and was willing to do the work who could not get jobs. A significant number went into Law Enforcement, or so it seemed.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 5:50 PM

Red

We are not talking of kindness and appreciation of our military in this issue. It is one of deep and abiding consequences to our troops to be sued in civil court for a supposed crime in a war zone involving combat.

I'm working on what we can do.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 6:09 PM

Red

This is a little late for donations but does give much information.

http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKiller...

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 6:27 PM

MeLange

Well, I surely hope I have not received the appointment. I would never want to take it from our own 'self appointed' queen bee. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 7:47 PM

hmmm, well, if nothing else, it appears there is a renewed interest in education here.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 8:19 PM

Babe,

I did not realize there were such strict rules on this forum as to staying totally on topic, must have lost my guidebook.

As I said, I contact my legislators when something comes up such as mentioned in the article. I also encourage others to do the same.

The rest is just something we may choose to do to counterbalance the rest of the negative stuff; can't hurt.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 8:41 PM

Re: not a good plan

Eh, well, sometimes the best way to illustrate the drawbacks of a bad idea to the 'this is a democracy and majority rules, so nyah nyah' bandwagon is to let things play out.

Can anyone remember 'ethanol', 'utility deregulation', or that old-time favorite 'price controls' as popular ideas gone wrong?

Perhaps it will take a 'higher than acceptable' incidence rate of golf carts and mules becoming fashionable hood ornaments on regular, licensed motor vehicles before the masses understand the flaw in the logic.

Or, perhaps the 12-foot bike lanes proposed by user 'Aw' in yesterday's unbalanced rant could be further subdivided to include mule lanes, golf cart lanes, Segway lanes, etc. :-)~

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 8:44 PM

Re: Tractor on the road

Suggest that the original intent of public roads was not for parking, but for traffic.

Perhaps banning all parking on any public tax-paid-for thoroughfare, roadway, lane, drive, or street would be the ultimate solution to make everyone happy and on equal footing - plus, all that extra room for bike lanes. :-)~

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 8:56 PM

Re: Regents need to act

Hmmm, perhaps a re-branding of the school would help. Look at all the positive things that have happened since the Indian was disposed of in favor of the red chicken.

Suggest the University of Southeast Missouri School of Sports Failures and Unsportsmanlike Affairs?

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 9:02 PM

Re: Weeds in the park

Suggest that "couldn't" means the caller didn't 'want to' bad enough.

And aside from whining in Speak Out, what else has the caller done? Called an alderman? Spent 5 minutes with a weedeater on the court? Packed up and moved on to a court meeting their expectations?

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 9:10 PM

Re: Inventive reasons

And what about those whose are voting for a black person and directly saying it's because he/she is black? Perhaps not so inventive, but with similar tunnel-vision, one-track mindsets.

Ah, logic is a wonderful thing - can be twisted in manners that make most pretzels jealous.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 9:19 PM

Helloooooo - <thunk, thunk, thunk> - is this thing on? :-)~

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 9:20 PM

fxpwt,

While I understand what you mean about both sides of the spectrum... I think it's worse to refuse to vote for a black man, than to vote for him only because he's black. At least the latter shows a little bit of optimism... even though it's just as silly as the former.

-- Posted by Swollen_Thumb on Mon, Aug 18, 2008, at 10:42 PM

Ah, the wonderful world of school. Somehow administration is suppose to know everything that goes on in the school. No way, people! Therefore, one day parents are going to wake up and find out that it is thier responsibility for their children and quit blaming the schools!

-- Posted by Biker_28 on Tue, Aug 19, 2008, at 3:47 PM

Correction..

They do ban cell phones at Jackson and Cape schools. But someone can always find a way to get around it. It's just like cheating. If the person gets caught then they receive punishment. The teachers and faculty know that it is going on..but people are getting more and more smart about how not to get caught.

-- Posted by Musicislove08 on Tue, Aug 19, 2008, at 11:16 PM


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