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Speak Out 8/17/08

Sunday, August 17, 2008

More drilling refining

WHEN THE Democrats don't allow drilling for oil where there is oil and don't allow new refineries to be built when they are needed, don't act surprised when there is not enough oil or gasoline and the prices are bid up by the forces of supply and demand. If you allow more drilling and a refinery or two, there will be a larger supply, and prices will come down.

Down the tubes

WITH ALL these NCAA investigations, how is it that Southeast Missouri State University athletic director Don Kaverman hasn't been fired? What about university president Ken Dobbins? SEMO athletics have gone down the tubes, yet athletics received an $800,000 increase this year.

Oversold seats

I WENT to the Sikeston Rodeo. By continuing to sell tickets throughout the show, rodeo officials obviously oversold the seating. It was impossible to walk to a concession stand or the restroom because there were so many people standing. If you got up, you lost your seat. This is not only rude to people who got there on time, but very unsafe. Surely this breaks fire and safety rules.

Extra credit

I HAVE three children in the Jackson School District. Extra credit is given in math, English and science classes for things like bringing boxes of tissues and other supplies for the classroom, attending sporting events, parents' attendance at open house and parent-teacher conferences and other things. None of these things, which can positively influence my children's grades, are an indicator of their ability in these subjects. Last year my daughter's advanced English teacher gave extra credit if a parent read a book and wrote a book report. Extra credit, if allowed, should only be on work that has something to do with that subject.

Something to celebrate

HERE'S A summary of what I have learned in Speak Out over the past few days: American is going down the toilet, and it is the fault of Jimmy Carter, gays, unions and recycling. Never mind the $9 trillion deficit brought to us by leaders in both parties, along with the crumbling education system and comical elected officials in our own county. At least we can forget our troubles by dancing around the soon-to-be-constructed Rush Limbaugh statue.

To the wolves

THE SITUATION in former Soviet Georgia is serious. I'm afraid will ultimately lead us to pressure Georgia's democratically elected president to resign while giving us credible deniability so we can say that we had nothing to do with throwing him to the wolves.

Let the bikers pay

CAPE GIRARDEAU voters approved a sales-tax increase to pay for park and recreation projects. I heard $20,000 will be spent for signs asking motorists to "Share the road" with bicycle riders. I don't recall being told, prior to the sales-tax vote, that any funds would be used for these signs. Let the bikers pay for the signs. Vehicle owners pay fuel tax, fees for licenses and fees to inspect our vehicle, but the bike riders pay nothing. It is time the bikers pay their fair share. I would guess that when I take my grandchildren to the new water park that it will not be free. I will have to pay. Why don't bikers have to pay? The $20,000 is just a start. Someone has to pay to put up and maintain the signs. Let's ask the bikers to pay up, and don't ask me share the road with these road hogs.

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Good morning everyone.

To the comment about the biker signs, I agree. This is evidence of a larger problem. Bills are routinely pushed through local and national government that are deceptive. A bill or a ballot should be very clear and very simple. We need to send a message to our local, state, and national governments that we don't want any more complex bills or ballots anymore. Let us vote on one thing at a time. I highly doubt voters would have been as positive about the tax increase if they knew that it would be used on those signs.

As far as the partisan bickering over oil drilling... keep in mind, I'm not alligning myself on either side of the debate right now, but the U.S. doesn't have 100% right to use the oil that we drill. It all pretty much goes to the same place, and wouldn't do much to alleviate our pains. I think the very first step in our oil crisis is to follow the money and pressure the oil companies to give us details about their business.

-- Posted by Swollen_Thumb on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 4:00 AM

Whatever it takes to get a parent reading is a good idea.

-- Posted by iago1 on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 6:45 AM

I don't mind sharing the road. To suggest bikers pay nothing is a bit of a fallacy. Every person I know who rides a bike also owns a car and drives as well as pays other taxes. However some bikers would do better if they did not ride down the middle of the road. And these are not kids but adults who behave as if you are infringing on their rights by driving past them. I for one am in favor of Cape putting in bike lanes where appropriate. I also favor expanding the bike/hike trail down along the river as well.

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 8:39 AM

The democrats did not take control of Congress until January of 2007. The republicans had control of congress from January 1995 thru January 2007. From January 2001 to the current period the republicans have control of the white house. How can all the blame be on the democrats back because no new drilling has taken place when the democrats have had control of the house and senate for only 19 months. This economic mess were in did not happen in just 19 months.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 8:47 AM


Capitalism at its best/worst. Of course depending who you are. There are places in the country who do not complain about the oil boom. Mostly they revel in it and keep their mouths shut.

The weak dollar and speculation have driven this boom. That is why it is coming down. Has little to do with supply/demand as opposed to OPEC cutting down supply in the late 70's. I have not seen gas lines or shortages thus it is not a supply thing.

When gas started to increase with the price of oil I initially thought it was a supply/demand thing due to increase from various sources such as military/China/India as well as other developing third world nations. Now this does have an effect but mostly at this time in the speculation market as the perception of increased demand increases the speculation of an increase in future prices. Couple that with the crappy dollar and you get what you get.

Would offshore drilling and more refineries make a difference? Probably not anything significant. It may help give us some slight insurance should OPEC raise its ugly head and decrease supply. The announcement in and of itself may also decrease the speculation.

Again a reasonable long term energy plan is vital to our national interests more so than fighting terrorism. But then again the War On Terror should include energy independence as its main objective.

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 8:55 AM

Re: More drilling refining

Ah, many different perpectives here - to add one more -

Suggest that more information is needed before declaring that building refineries and drilling will bring oil prices down. It's important to consider the costs of these construction activities and their impact on the cost of the delivered product from these new sources.

For example, one value given for the cost of building a refinery is $15billion for a 400,000 barrel-per-day, or 146million barrel-per-year operation. Assuming an interest rate of 5% - comes to $750million or so per year in finance charges in the first year.

So just the financing costs of this refinery will add about $5 per barrel to its production cost in the first years of operation. Additionally, there's the costs of paying back the original $15billion across whatever the term of the note is. Using simple straight-line math - would come to about $3.50 per barrel across a 30-year note.

It will be difficult for a new refinery to compete with existing refineries that have been long paid off - unless there have been significant production and operating efficiencies developed that help the new refinery offset some of the construction and financing costs.

Given the current situation, it may seem like a slam-dunk to build a new refinery, especially given the large profit numbers released, but any company - and not just oil - has to go through the motions, to execute due-diligence, and to evaluate whether such an expenditure is the best use of available funds and credit lines, and whether 'now' is the time to do it.

Costs of construction materials - steel, copper wire, etc. - have risen dramatically in the past few years. Construction craft labor - welders, fitters, crane operators, etc. - is in tight supply. One needs a crystal ball to help decide whether the time to build is now, before costs go even higher - or to wait on some expectation that costs will subside.

Suggest that a better 'mission statement' here would be that more drilling and additional refineries are needed to ensure that the 'supply-and-demand' market balance is better maintained, raising confidence for more favorable prices to the consumer, as compared to a market that is not in balance. --No guarantee of lower prices as compared to now, but more of a guarantee that prices will be lower than if this construction were not done.

Albeit different circumstances, the electric utility deregulation of a few years back is a another great example of what happens when market balance is upset.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 9:02 AM

The money being used for the biker signs is coming from the 1/4 cent sales tax that was passed not from fuel taxes. That means everyone including bikers are paying for it.

-- Posted by newman90 on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 9:04 AM

Another note for the Sikeston Rodeo Operatives: I'd like to thank the young woman who got out of her car and directed the traffic jam inside on the parking grounds. If it weren't for her people would have been in line for a lot longer than they already were. There wasn't anyone else directing traffic until you got to the main road. Bussing from varied parts of the city should be considered. Either the bus company or school system could get a take on the admission/parking fee and people would get home without having to wait up to 2 hours to get out of the Rodeo grounds.

-- Posted by Let'scommunicate on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 11:07 AM

re: credit

I agree. What a crock! This practice allows parents to buy their children grades which they have not earned. It's also not fair to the students who do study and make good grades on their own.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 11:08 AM

re: oversold seats

There should be a separate standing area only for folks who want to buy tickets after the seats are filled. If I had lost my seat to someone else, I would have immediately demanded a refund on my ticket. It sounds like it was a 'free for all' at the event and parking lot.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 11:17 AM

Re: Let the bikers pay

Hmmm, why single the bikers out? What about pedestrians crossing the street, or joggers - or farm and construction equipment driven on roadways? Should they not have to 'pay their fair (or is it, fare) share' also? How and where would one redraw the lines as to which activities are subject to an effective toll on use of roadways?

The bikers may have requested the signs - but surely there was someone along the way that could have just said, "NO"? If one feels the need to place blame for this expenditure, are the bikers the right group to blame?

In the scheme of things, whichever tax is paying for these signs has done been approved, and the revenues either are being, or will shortly commence to be, collected. Suggest the goal now should be to ensure wise and prudent use of these funds.

IMO, it would seem that the money spent towards accomodating and encouraging bicycle use would have a greater 'quality of life' return on investment, or 'bang-for-the-buck' as applied to the masses, than would the costs-vs-benefits of proposed expenditures on golf courses and water parks. :-)~

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 12:00 PM

More drilling refining

Maybe, not sure it’s totally supply and demand, but couldn’t hurt I don’t guess.

Down the tubes

Don’t really care; wouldn’t bother me if they eliminated athletics altogether and concentrated on education.

Oversold seats

Then don’t go.

Extra credit


Something to celebrate

I have a news flash for you, if you read Speak Out in hopes of “learning” anything you are going to be seriously disappointed. Well except the part about Jimmy Carter…

To the wolves

Whatever we do will be viewed as wrong by most of the world anyway, so it is really a no win situation for us.

Let the bikers pay

Cry baby, agree with fxwpt.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 12:34 PM

Re: the post of 0900

Suggest that alternate energy sources have been created, and that new possibilities and variations are being explored with renewed enthusiasm - one of the few benefits of the recent cost increases and supply scares with the current energy sources.

However, until the cost gap between alternate sources and conventional sources is completely closed - it will continue to be a tough sell to encourage the typical consumer to do more than complain and to actually jump on-board. Here, costs include things such as price of the fuel and the necessary equipment, convenience, availability, reliability, and user-friendliness.

Out of all those complaining, what percentage have actually gone out and bought an electric or hybrid car, an E85 vehicle, have requested to be put on the waiting list for the compressed air vehicle, or have put one of those hydrogen-generating units on their current vehicle - solely on the blind faith and hope that it's the right thing to do?

The cost gap can be artificially altered through subsidies for the alternative fuels, and/or increased regulations and taxes for the conventional fuels - but then ethanol is coming through as a shining example of 'be careful what you ask for'. Or, as one of Murphy's corollaries states - every solution creates another problem.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 12:35 PM


Don't confuse people with facts, they prefer to complain about "big oil", Democrats, Republicans etc., it makes them feel better and relieves them of any responsibility. For some the realization that they have any real control over anything is the most frightening thing they will ever encounter.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 12:49 PM


Yes, that is infinitely worse.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 1:14 PM

extra credit

I agree that the things my children get extra credit for should be something to do with what they are learning but the teachers do what they know will get the kids a few extra points, no different than akll the teachers that grade on a curve allowing those that fail a test to score better. But then what about all the projects sent home that parents think their child has to have the "best" solar system so they do it for them.


They do not sell tickets after it is sold out, they have a certain number they will sell and then it stops, the tickets being sold after the start of the rodeo were for the VIP tent and allowing the people to go stand in front of the stage for the concert. The seats get mixed up because the rows and seat numbers are not clearly marked so if you do not find an usher and say something then you can't complain. If you show them your ticket they will find your seat and if someone is there move them.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 1:17 PM

Just now reading yesterday's SO...early evening the electricity was out for several hours, so...a little on yesterday's comments.

Okay, our clever Herr...We DID mention your name, among others, at Aggie/Twiggy's Going Away Farewell. Maybe it's just as well you weren't there? J/K !!! Pops couldn't be there, but yes, hugs were given pretty freely; didn't have to bring out the paddle as everyone was on their best behavior...mainly...

And, as a wife & mother for what seems like 200 years, used to being blamed for pretty much everything, so it seems reasonable to assume that it is MY fault that you weren't in attendance. As for TWINKIES...Nope, can't tempt me. Donuts?...sometimes I cry when I pass the bakery.

Me'Lange: I've found that it is generally unpopular to express the belief that hitting a child is at least as wrong as hitting an adult (hitting as opposed to a quick swat on the backside in passing...maybe). However, that's my personal opinion, for various reasons, and I'm sticking to it.

fxpwt: Your comments "A poster-board or dunce cap with 'who needs an education when I've got all this?'" reminded me of a news article (with pictures) several months ago. A mother made her teenage son, who had been caught shoplifing, stand on the sidewalk with her; he was wearing a sign that read "I want to grow up and live with in prison with my dad."


That's unbelievable! What does bringing in extra Kleenex have to do with a student's ability/grade in math? Perhaps I read that comment wrong?


Um...just a wild thought...Weighing cost versus results...What good will 'Share the Road' signs do?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 1:18 PM

I have found it generally unpopular to essentially describe parents who use reasonable corporal punishment to discipline their children as criminals and child abusers.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 1:31 PM


Yes, you read it correctly about bringing in kleenex for extra credit. I find this incredible as well as the student getting extra credit if his parent reads a book and writes a report.

No, the biker signs will not help with their safety. But it will make everyone feel better about having tried to do something. So the taxpayers pay $20,000 because the city needs to feel good. After all, it's only money, you know.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 2:27 PM


I don't believe grading on a curve should ever be allowed. If a teacher thinks the test was too difficult he should just discard it entirely. It's just an excuse for teachers to cover the fact that they did not teach the subject well enough.

In my first class in college the professor announced that he would always grade on a curve. Most of the class started clapping but I had NO idea what he meant.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 2:39 PM


In the high school here almost all of the teachers grade on a curve, some will only allow a maximum of 5 point curve to discourage anyone from intentionally blowing the test but it is still a curve. Last year my daughter's math teacher gave 10 extra points for boxes of kleenex, 10 extra points every friday if they wore a Duke University shirt and many other things. Most of the kids pulled of a good grade but almost none of them knew how to do Algebra.

My son had a teacher who did give extra credit but it was with challenge words on the spelling test, doing extra AR test or a couple of bonus problems on a math worksheet which was a good thing, the kids tried for the extra points and actually learned something in the process.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 2:58 PM


I agree. Once we kids were past the toddler age of swatting, we received more formal corporal punishment. We had to go out and break off a 'keen' switch from a tree. When we brought one back the ritual began. It was inspected carefully and the leaves stipped off slowly. Then the adult would take one of our arms and commence to switch our legs. Of course we were allowed to run around in circles to avoid most of the switch. We learned to yell really loudly, too. And I mean to tell you, after going through all that I was very well behaved for a very long time.

I've been beaten and I've been switched...and I know the difference.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 2:59 PM

Furthermore a lot of the so called teachers at my daughters high school are physical ed majors but teaching the basics. For punishment instead of making them write an essay, read a book etc they make them do push ups something is wrong with that as well but hey I am just a parent what do I know

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 3:02 PM


your story about the switch made me laugh. When I was growing up we had a huge willow treee in the yard and that was my mothers favorite tree to get her switches from........she would send us out to get one and we would of course get the smallest one we could find then she would go get one of her own. We yelled with delight when lightning hit the tree during a storm and she had to cut it down until the next week when she planted a new one on the other side of the house.

I grew up and got my butt busted when I needed it as did my siblings. My parents never hit us in anger or with their fist etc and when we did get a whipping we knew exactly why we did. It is the same with my kids. There is a big difference just wish more could see that.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 3:06 PM


No wonder so many students are on the honor roll at schools. Maybe they should just label it the 'kleenex honor roll'.

My grandchildren have always been given extra credit if they learned the more difficult bonus spelling words or math problems. I think this is appropriate as it encourages more study.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 3:07 PM

The only reason I know my daughter is actually learning anything in high school is because of her test scores on the MAP and ACT. I figured it out along time ago that just because she was an honor student didn't mean she knew anything.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 3:10 PM


Well, your switch story made me laugh, too.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 3:18 PM


Don't blame others for missing your point. Maybe you did not convey it well.

I think that the SO poster made it clear that the discussion was about extra grade credit not gold stars on a paper. And why would you question the poster's intent just to try to justify your laborious point. And I don't believe giving a student a higher grade because the parent reads a book and writes a report in anyway helps the student learn.

Yes, the switch left red stripe marks on my legs. I'd be interested in knowing how your parents diciplined you as you obviously need a good switching. LOL

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 4:10 PM


Having the kids do push ups isn't what bothers me it is the kids all think it is a joke. hey I don't have to do my homework Mr so and so will just make me do 20 push ups and tell me to finish it by tomorrow. So what if I have my cellphone on if I get caught it is just a few pushups. If it actually worked go for it but apparantly it isn't.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 4:18 PM

Guess what bothers me most with the spanking thing is people sit and say you need to do something with your kid and then when you punish them with a spanking that same person yells you are abusing them. If someone spanks a child that does not mean they abuse them. As Me'Lange said the real issue is with the ones who beat them but some can't tell the difference

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 4:26 PM


Sigh...you must have been a model child. I and my brothers were not. We set an outbuilding on fire while secretly trying to roast marshmellows. I got caught smoking a smuggled cigarette in the barn loft. We killed half our pullets by throwing green plums at their heads from the chicken house roof. We crossed five acres to get to the forbidden pond and were chased by wild boars home. We tied up our old dog while playing a game and forgot about him. We brought in three litters of wild barn cats and they tore up the screens on the back porch. giggle

For all this mishavior we got switched and deservedly so.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 4:50 PM


I'm curious as to how your mother feels about the 'new laws'?

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 4:56 PM

Geez...seems teachers/school districts are dammed-if they do...dammed-if they don't.

-- Posted by Me'Lange on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, 2:32 pm CDT

That about says it all. I try to refrain from posting about school, but sometimes I can't help it. LOL. There are a few who understand teachers will try just about anything to help students. We are always trying to find what will motivate these kiddos. Some things work and others don't and some are met with the support of parents and others aren't. What works isn't always what's popular. We take the flack - it's why we're paid the big bucks! OK - LOL again.

Mrs. Hamil

-- Posted by DickCheney on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 6:01 PM

Melange, Babe's kinda like a pit bull when she gets on your case, isn't she? In a freakish way, she does provide some "giggles". IMO

-- Posted by DickCheney on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 6:07 PM

Re: Let the bikers pay

Silly to think bike vehicle owners don't own cars also. Our bikes cost more than most scooters (and we pay sales tax). We don't want signs either. We want painted 12 foot bike lanes on every road in Cape/Jackson. Every time they repave a road they need to add bike lanes. I commute to work and arrive guilt-free not sending a penny to Muslim countries sworn to kill or convert me. Oil is the enemy. There's oil in the asphalt roads you drive on, oil every 3000 miles, oil to go to work, Schnucks, church or school. Get over your addiction! You are not the solution, you are the problem! Bikes were legal vehicles 20 years before the first law for horseless carriages was copied from the 1896 New York bike law. Bikes are the ultimate green machine. A windmill won't get me to work. Every time you drive your SUV to get the mail, you take responsibility for us being in Iraq. Bike signs remind bikers to share the road with the oil hogs.

-- Posted by aw on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 6:51 PM


You sound very young. Do you sometimes arrive at your workplace sopping wet from a downpour? Do you have chains on your bicycle when it snows? Do you take your date out on a bicycle built for two?

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 7:22 PM

Some bicylists just get on my last nerve. Their hobby overtakes their common sense. They begin to view their riding as a noble cause and everyone else better get out of the way. And God forbid that they or a pal faces a medical crisis as they see themselves being in perfect physical condition. I once worked with a man who would ride to work, take his bike in the employee entrance, wheel it down to the department and park it in full view of others. His explanation for doing so was that his bike probably cost more than our cars and he wanted to keep it safe.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 8:02 PM


You're to the right of Atilla the Hun. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 8:22 PM

Re: Aw

Suggest that your case would be better served by proposing viable solutions rather than ranting about the evils of those whose views don't align with yours. Amazed, and somewhat awed by your 'graceful' transition from signs all the way to terrorism and war. Wow - so, what are your thoughts about the price of rice in China? :-)~

Need to understand the differences between getting what you want, and using what you have to work with. Unfortunately, life is not a Burger King commercial - one doesn't always get things their way. If this sarcastic reference to an old ad campaign is before your time, certainly YouTube can bring you up to speed, or does the Internet qualify as another terrorism-supporting evil?

Seriously, in an attempt to help out, have you identified what streets are currently available to work with? Caruthers between Broadway and Independence comes to mind as one example where there seems to be ample room already to accomodate bike lanes - where are the other easy 'low-hanging' fruits, and how can they be interconnected?

Are there any abandoned rail beds that could be utilized, whose right-of-way hasn't been transferred? Many areas have a rule that when a rail line is abandoned, it becomes a hiking, biking, or other public use lane.

Do you have any figures on the estimates for acquiring additional rights-of-way for bike lanes during a roadway enhancement - such as that currently being done along Independence? One can argue about how things should have been done in the past - but that really does nothing to solve the problems in the present. One of my warped views is that all new residential developments should come with sidewalks to keep pedestrian traffic off the streets - a nice touch, but not in line with the goals of many developers to get things done on the cheap-cheap, especially with minimum roadway widths.

In short, instead of carrying on a temper tantrum that any 5-year old would be proud of - grow up, work to see things as your proclaimed 'adversaries' see them, then present well-thought out solutions that include the costs and benefits. But, truth be known, sometimes I too like to waller around like a 5-year old than to put forth the effort to solve the problem.

Eh, as to the 'pool', my bets are on someone in their early 20s - likely a college graduate filled with liberal, utopian views about how everyone should get on 'their' particular bus of thought - and, who hasn't really figured out how to present an argument - developmentally closer to the 5-year old than to an seasoned adult. On the other hand, the relatively correct use of grammar and spelling leads me to think the person may be older. Eh, well, at any rate, since he/she hasn't replied - also suggest a cowardly hit-n-run blogger.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 8:39 PM


Thank you. That's one of the nicest compliments I have ever received.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 8:49 PM


Definitly sounds like you were a curious child!!!!!! Did your mother sit back and laugh when you had kids because you were ready to scream at some of their antics. I know mine did which usually made me madder. Guess it is true though we pay for our raising.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 8:59 PM

Hmmm, along the lines of 'Bear's thinking - does 'Aw' currently stay off asphalt roads, and have the expectations that all bike lanes should be paved with concrete, or the 'ultimate' green pathway - dirt? :-)~

Sometimes I crack even myself up!

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 9:09 PM


Oh lord, no, my own kids never had the opportunity to pull such antics as they never lived in the country. But my mother made sure that they knew every little detail of my misbehavior. I could have gleefully wrung her neck. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 9:11 PM

Eh, figure if they can stick a catalytic converter on cars to clean up the noxious nasties, surely there's something they can plug into the horse's exhaust pipe to make him environmentally clean and green.

Now, the horse may not like it - but he needs to 'get on the bus', don't ya know. :-)~

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 9:49 PM

just had a chance to catch up on the posts. I think i need a drink. BTW hilleco you are so far to the right you are actually left.

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 10:17 PM

AGREED! Babe has b.a.l.l.s. and knows how to use them. Don't always agree with her either, but gotta respect the "tell it like it is and **** the consequences." Wish to h.e.l.l. I could get away with that!

-- Posted by against_the_wind on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 10:33 PM

Lord love a duck...is this my award er 'roast' night? I will take the left handed compliments and thank you. giggle I learned a long time ago that I truly do not care if another person dislikes me unless I respect and/or love them. It has served me well as a philosophy to live by.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Aug 17, 2008, at 10:52 PM

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