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Speak out 8/4/08

Monday, August 4, 2008

Savor the heat

DO YOU remember last winter when we had all that ice and no heat? Everybody is griping about this summer heat. I'd rather have heat than freeze to death. You can always find someplace to get cool, but when you're cold, you're cold.

Logical explanation

IF PEOPLE aren't seeing ants, it's because they don't live in the country. I have plenty of ants to go around. I see the occasional butterfly. More houses are going up, so there's less room for nature. This area continues to grow into the countryside. There's a logical explanation for things.

Message for dealers

THE SOUTH side had a walk-by shooting that has the neighborhood scared to death. There are a lot of people who live on the south side and own their homes. This is to all the drug dealers: You need to go back where you came from. We do not want your kind in our neighborhood.

Local talent

I AM proud to see that Mike Dumey is showcasing our young talent again this summer in "Sing America Sing." With gas prices so high, it's good to see a wonderful show and dinner close to home. Hats off to Mike.

Invading calls

ROBO-CALLS are an invasion of my privacy, and I do not appreciate them one bit. So don't call me.

Make it affordable

AMERICA DOES not need socialized medicine. We need medicine to be affordable. We need everybody to be able to afford to buy the medicine and the health care they need. That's the real problem: affordability, not universal insurance and not socialized medicine.

Doing the right thing

YOU WOULD be surprised what you can do when you put your foot down to a lot of things. I raised my young son alone because his father was a deadbeat dad. I lived in a roach-infested apartment. I paid for my own utilities, repairs on my cars and what few medical needs had. We were careful. It makes you tougher and it makes you feel good about yourself that you can do something like this.

Oil speculation

THE PRICE of oil is not set by refineries. It is set at the market where speculators are buying up oil, hoping to sell it at a higher price. The people need to know this, and the news media refuse to tell them.

TV trash

I ONLY watched "Swingtown" for 10 minutes, and I was sickened at the thought of our children being exposed to such trash.

Pool problems

THIS IS for the parks department. Does anyone inspect the women's locker rooms at Central Pool? The shower curtains have been in shreds for months. Drains keep stopping up. The hand-held shower in the handicap stall is broken and there's mold. The city can spend $20,000 for bike signs while the pool is a disgrace. Get the priorities straight.

Right to hang up

THE POLITICIANS may have the right to call, but I sure have the right to hang up.

Offensive program

I GREW up in the 1970s, and I am appalled and offended by the TV program "Swingtown." A very small number of people lived this way.

American way

I SHOULD have bought a nice, big, expensive home that I couldn't afford. Then taxpayers could have bailed me out. It's the American way: the government makes up for our greed.

School code

IT IS hard to miss seeing young girls in skimpy bikinis holding signs for a car wash. I feel, because these are school-sponsored activities, the dress code conduct should still apply. I realize they dress like they do to lure in business to raise money, but as a mom I find it offensive and would never allow my daughters to display themselves in such a way.

Cuddling with China

THE FOREIGN policy elite in this nation continue to emphasize the need for constructive engagement with China. The American people seem much more skeptical, particularly in light of Tibet, loss of jobs to China and the resurgent nationalism among the Chinese people. Cozying up to China is obviously in large part being driven by corporations. We need a cooling-off period in this warm and fuzzy relationship.

A fun ride

I'D LIKE to congratulate Rush Limbaugh, who is celebrating 20 years in the radio business. It's been a fun ride, and I hope it will continue for 20 more years.

School success

THERE SEEMS to be mounting evidence that the key factor in the success or failure of a school results from the socio-economic makeup of the institution. The best chance for success rests with schools populated with majorities of middle-class students. Once a school system gets a high percentage of students who are from the lower economic strata, problems increase and the chances for positive student achievement plummet. Cape Girardeau School District needs to make sure that all of its elementary schools are majority middle class. As far as the high school goes, recently published data seem to indicate that a tipping point of a higher-than-desirable percentage of students who are from the lower socio-economic strata of the district, sociologically speaking, is being reached. This is a major concern with perhaps no immediate solution.


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goog morning everyone

Oil speculation : so gas prices will be going down

now ?

Philadelphia 5 , Cardinals 4

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 8:16 AM

poppa..one can always hope...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 8:44 AM

Good Morning everyone!

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 8:59 AM

Speculate: To engage in the buying or selling of a commodity with an element of risk on the chance of profit.

For those of us who like to make their own decisions, we all engage in a certain amount of speculation. What will the future bring? What decision should I make today to prepare for that future?

'Speculators', whoever 'they' are, have been demonized by those who can not, have not, will not stand up and make the tough, although relatively obvious decisions to drill for our own oil, right here in the US of A.

Speculators would seem to me to be future risk avoiders by taking some risk now - that is trying to establish the true price of oil now based on the availability of oil in the future. If speculators believe we will run short on the much needed oil in the future based on the selfish, misguided action or inaction of our politicians, then the price will remain high. If they feel we are going to plot the proper course, maintain oil supplies for the near future, while we press for realistic alternate energy sources for the years ahead, then they will ease off a bit - just like you've seen in the last few weeks as some evidence exists that the politicians might actually follow the will of the people and proper debate and vote on the options we have available.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 9:54 AM

A bathing suit with shorts on is a far cry from my perspective in Jackson. String bikini on the top and shorts that have their a## hanging out. What next, prostitution? Do any of you all having anything positive to say about speak out. Your holier than thou bloggin is getting old to ALOT of people. But then again, it is amusing to read your idiotic posts, so I guess, keep em coming.

-- Posted by kknurse on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 10:31 AM

Another day of Speak Out posters yelling at each other when they should be working! Maybe And we all get so bent out of shape when a man(Ludwig) is doing something on the internet when he should be working. Look in the mirror people! We are all guilty of screwing on the Internet when we should be working!

Let the games begin!

-- Posted by gehagge1 on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 10:48 AM

I haven't read that people think there are no ants or other bugs. They are saying there are fewer insects of all kinds. I am not an entomologist but I am a master organic gardener with 30 years of gardening experience.

There is no question that over the last 5 years or so, there are fewer insects. I live on the outskirts of a large city, but I drive in the rural areas quite a bit at night. I do not have the massive amounts of bugs on my windshield as I used to have. There are some but not as many.

Sure I have various insects and bees in my gardens, but not as many. There used to be lots of moths flying around my security lights but now I see just a few.

Shouldn't it be a good thing that there are fewer insects? In purely selfish terms yes. My plants are damaged less by them. But in the long term there is tremendous damage to the over all ecosystem. I think we are seeing the canary in the coal mine.

I don't know exactly why this is happening, but I have a few hypotheses. 1. Pollution of course 2. Indiscriminate and over use of chemical insecticides ( try organic methods folks) 3. Genetically modified crops that allow the massive amounts of insecticide spraying that would normally damage the plant.4. Genetically engineered plants with built in insecticide.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 11:13 AM

I'm retired too. I am sure there are also people who may work swing shifts or who are self employed as well. There are also some disabled individuals as well as ones whose employer is well aware of their activities and who don't care as long as it doesn't interfere with their work; multitasking. If you are paying someone's salary who is using the Internet without your permission then it is your business if they do otherwise it is none of your business how or why anyone posts on here.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 12:13 PM

Me'Lange,

Hope you get your AC fixed mine went out last year and it was a bear.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 12:15 PM

Our society is so....prudish. Heaven help you if you think bodies are so "dirty" that a teenager can't even wear a swimsuit. How would you function in other countries where nude beaches are the norm because people realize that bodies in and of themselves are not sexual? Sexual is one aspect that can be APPLIED to a body...but they are not inherently that alone.

More power to the swimwear. If you aren't a fan..don't let your kids participate...and even better...don't stop at the car wash! (since I've heard the same argument from the hypocrites that then show up to have their husband's truck washed.)

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 12:32 PM

Wow melange! I get the bold, italic, and underlined treatment! I must either be really special or have really ticked you off!

I am sure that there are some retired, disabled, or swing shift posters. I know that there are some employers that don't mind people milking the clock to assault others through online forums (as long as the "job" gets done, right?). Even some self-employed (like myself) people who surf the hot buttons topics on semissourian.com. But I am certain that there are a fair amount of people on this forum that are not supposed to be on the forums and have attacked Ludwig for wasting his time on the net.

It is wrong for me to assume that all people on this forum are traditional working people who work in a place that works needs to get done. But it is also naive for you to assume that all people on this board are supposed to be on this board.

-- Posted by gehagge1 on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 12:34 PM

Message For Dealers,

Chances are the dealers come from your own neighborhood. While there certainly are a significant number of good citizens in such areas, for the most part the dealers are home grown. I have talked to the parents who one day bemoan the condition of the neighborhood, drugs and violence and then when their “child” is found to be the seller or shooter, “the cops are out to get him”, “he’s innocent, I know he wouldn’t do that”, he got caught up with the wrong crowd”. Most often HE/SHE IS THE WRONG CROWD. I have driven these neighborhoods and seen your children of all ages walking the streets at all hours of the day and night drinking, dealing/using drugs and causing problems. I have had young children throw bottles and rocks at my car. What examples are being set and what are they being taught? No city can afford and the citizens would not tolerate enough Police Officers to solve your problem. How many people on here have complained about the CGPD doing their jobs in the last year and they are short four or five Officers regularly?

Without drug users, you cannot have drug dealers.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 12:38 PM

Ok the Wolf will chime in here real quick cause I am at work(I always post while working and as most here know not much after 4pm)

It is very common for me to get my vehicle washed when kids or even adults hold a car wash.The cause is almost always a good one and its usually not too expensive.However,when I see young ladies in bathing suits doing the washing sometimes I go home and get my other vehicle and let them wash it too.Now,please do not make me out to be a pervert because I am not.I just enjoy seeing women in any nice outfit(as long as there is just a little left for the imagination)!!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 12:41 PM

Wolf,

You know if you keep driving in circles, they will keep washing it...

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 12:45 PM

Melange,

I feel for you, I had to have mine replaced last year and it was less than fifteen years old. After paying for it I really needed the cool air to revive me.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 12:48 PM

Greywolf---

that doesn't strike me as "perverted" or "deviant".

That wasn't my point---

my point was that the caller, as a mother, had a HUGE issue with the bathing suits...

thus...if she's going to whine about it...she doesn't need to be there getting her car washed.

I had that happen a lot when I was on dance team, band, and many of the other organizations that did car washes. I wore my string bikini under my shorts because that was the bikini that I wore ALL the time...I didn't OWN another bikini. The best *high sarcasm alert* part of the car washes was when the cranky insecure middle aged moms would pull in and then be RUDE because their husbands smiled at you because you washed the mud off the ROOF of their truck. 99% of those guys weren't even really admiring us girls...they were just being nice. Their wives were insecure.

Also---appreciation of the human form isn't always sexual. It does have asthetic value.

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 12:48 PM

Me'Lange

I replaced my A.C. / furnace system earlier this year. It was only 12 years old. But the good news is the new unit is much more efficient thus my bills are quite a bit lower. The a.c. gets quite a work-out here in Texas. With the higher energy costs, it starts paying for itself. It also helps to ad more insulation if you can.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 1:18 PM

Infowarrior

what part of Tx are you from? If you don't mind my asking we are getting ready to move down there soon. It's been just as hot up here though lately as it is down there. Aggie says that a hurricane is moving in off the coast and that they look like they will get some of it this time.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 1:21 PM

pool problems

Lord love a duck...how much time or money can it take to send someone in to scour with bleach, replace the shower curtain, install hand held showers and benches?

Price: gallon of bleach....79 cents

shower curtain......$4.00

hand held shower....$12.00

bath bench..........$5.00

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 1:30 PM

Perhaps the mom's concern is not about her jealousy, but concerns the exploitation of some young females. All middle aged women aren't petty and jealous, but many have followed or experienced the issue of exploitation. Their bigger concern is young girls being used without them even knowing it.

I'm sure advertisers use attractive, shapely women because they know more about the product than anyone else. I'm sure that's why they are spread across the hood of the cars. I bet that is why Paris and Jessica Simpson were washing cars in their videos too. I think both of those girls are very attractive and I admire their beauty, but I bet I wasn't the target for the video. Perhaps that is what the mother was concerned about too.

You will find that most mothers don't want their daughters looked at in that sexual way (most dads either). I know I'm looking like a prude to some (don't care), but I don't live in Europe - I live in the USA where sex is for sell 24/7 and little girls are used and tossed on a regular basis.

Mrs. Cheney

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 1:33 PM

Twiggy,

I am in Austin, which is about 90 minutes east from College Station. The good thing for you is College Station gets more coastal effect showers than Austin does. Just yesterday C.S. got some heavy rain but we got zero. It also is just a bit cooler in CS.

I know that it is stressful to move from your home and loved ones in MO, but I think you will be warmly welcomed in CS. The first thing I noticed when I moved to Texas over 30 years ago, was how genuinely nice and friendly most people here are. ( There are a few jerks, but not many)

Bryan /College Station reminds me a bit of Cape Girardeau except the university is much larger and there are more things to do.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 1:38 PM

Mrs Chenny

I know I don't want my daughter or granddaughter looked at in any sexual way. Call it being over protective or whatever you like. Most men, (not all)

tend to look at young teens and wish they where with someone like that again or could be that young again. And before you men get all P I S S Y about that there are alot of women that look at young men the same way. I'm just saying with the perverts that are out there parents should care how their child dresses and looks to other men, and women. My dad was very particular as to how his daughters looked and if we didn't look the way he wished we had to change.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 1:43 PM

InfoWarrior

I noticed that also, and I know I will be homesick from time to time, but that area does remind me of home so I think I will be just fine. Thanks for the encouragement. I only have a little less than two weeks to go before Aggie comes to get me. I'm ready to see him more than moving, it's been almost a month since he left.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 1:46 PM

I wasn't speaking on music videos and advertising. I was speaking on car washes. Perhaps the kids should wear their best khakis and long sleeved polo shirts to wash cars. *heavy sarcasm alert*

I don't think all middle aged women are petty and jealous...but there are a good number who are. Be secure in yourself is my point---if you have to be jealous because your husband smiled at a 16 year old washing his truck...then you probably need to examine yourself and your relationship. Also--they are free to be petty jealous ******* if they want...more power to them...but it definitely fits the mold of a hypocrite to be that way and still get your car washed.

Also---I want to know how many of these same women who are fanatic about bikinis see absolutely nothing wrong about child beauty pageants...which capitalize on the same kind of glam appeal as the advertisements another poster was touting. My point being not that child beauty pagaents are bad...but that a lot of these folks are "selective" in their application of their "morals."

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 1:47 PM

Thanks Twiggy, I knew some would understand.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 1:56 PM

One more thing Twiggy. You won't have to drive in the snow and ice very often. Most winters there is no snow or ice at all. Every few years there is a small bit of ice, but it usually melts away by lunch time.

One bit of advice; When there is some rare ice STAY HOME until it melts. These people do not know how to drive in winter weather.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:01 PM

Goodness - I think a majority of people wash their cars in something other than swimming suits. Freaks!

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:06 PM

If you don't make other's Internet habits your business, then you may have been one of the few that didn't have any issues with Ludwig and his habits.

If so, then maybe we do see eye to eye on some issues!

As for girls in bathing suits:

I find that the older I get the more attractive that the women in their 20's, 30's, and even 40's become to me. I see these teenage girls in their skimpy swimsuits and I think two things:

"I wouldn't want my daughter wearing something that revealing."

and

"I hope Ludwig doesn't get a picture of them!"

-- Posted by gehagge1 on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:07 PM

I think girls parading around the curbs of streets in swimwear is tasteless even for a fund raising event such as a car wash.

And how are the drivers in this town going to see the signs warning of of bicylists if they continue this practice?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:09 PM

InfoWarrior

Yep I already know how Tx people drive on snow and ice, they have no clue as to what they are doing.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:09 PM

LilMac

maybe you need to visit or live in Nv where stuff like that is legal.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:11 PM

I think some posters have reached a point in geriatrics where they don't remember being a teenager and what they would choose to wear to wash the car...or swim in the pool.

Do these adults not swim in a pool, river, or ocean? If you do...you are going to see a swimsuit! *gasp*

Little Mac--

supply/demand. =)

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:11 PM

Mac - I think we were speaking of a mom's concern for young women/girls. When you drool over a young girl's body do you ever think men are doing the same over your little girl? I think that is the point the mother was making. As a teacher, I think perhaps I've seen/heard too many stories and it does concern me.

Mrs. Cheney

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:11 PM

Hello everyone.

Speculation without planning to take delivery of a commodity is similar to the effect of a shill at an auction. It drives up prices. This makes the seller very happy. It makes people who use gas to get to work very sad and may also wind up making them hungry if this goes on. The Enron loophole should be closed.

-- Posted by goodgrief1 on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:12 PM

boys wear swim suits too for the carwash thang..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:16 PM

I think some posters wise and some are inexperienced limited.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:17 PM

Don't get me wrong everyone I have worn shorts and swimsuit top to mow the lawn and wash the car, but on my own private property, my dad would not have let me out the front door, if not properly dressed. My dad was very old fashion and did not want anyone looking at his kids, still doesn't for that matter.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:18 PM

Sorry - I think some posters wise and some are inexperienced and limited.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:19 PM

Well put, exactly. Mrs. Chenny

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:20 PM

I wasn't digging at you, Twiggy.

Perhaps I have a different perspective than some posters because I have been a car wash participant. And I make no bones about being waaay more open-minded on the "morality" code than some individuals.

I'm not apologetic about it either.

If you are offended by teenagers/children in swimsuits--Don't let your child participate

-Don't patronize car washes/pools/beaches/etc.

That solves your problem. If you need your car washed and want it to be swimsuit free....drive to the establishment and shove some quarters in the machine and do it yourself!!

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:22 PM

Rick,

your right guys wear swimsuits also, but they don't usually show anything different than they did years ago, which is a good thing. I hated the speedo phase and am glad it's gone. Yuck.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:24 PM

Bethie

Most folks realize where and when to appropiately wear a swimsuit. I doubt you would go to your docs office in a bikini even though he has probably seen your entire body. It's not a matter of nudity but of presenting yourself in a sexual manner. And btw....we older women have known this for years.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:28 PM

Bethie,

you haven't said or done anything to offend me, really no has, YET? I don't care where I get my car washed at, but if it were one of my kids daughter or grandduaghter to be ogled at that would bother me. As for me when I see them I don't think alot except maybe they should be a littel more careful with what they have on display. I just wonder why some of the parents don't feel the same way, I guess it has alot to do with the way we are brought up. My dad especially was very protective and thought evil of all guys when it came to his daughters. I hope that makes since.

On the other hand their are entirely to many perverts out there and lots more to worry about now adays.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:30 PM

Twiggy MeLange, I have washed my own car in my own driveway and in my suit - don't see that as an issue.

For Bethy, I even go to the beach, health club, pool and wear a suit. I don't think that's the kind of thing we're talking about here. But if you think it's OK for your daughter to be ogled (when you get one) go for it. I hope she is safe.

I would rather see girls get respect for other attributes and see less importance on their sexual appeal. JMO - I doubt if I know what I'm talking about.

Mrs. Cheney

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:35 PM

Although I don't go to carwashes, I see nothing wrong with a young lady in a bikini washing cars. In France and California it is true that there are topless beaches, but I should remind you that the people there are Christian and don't have lust in their hearts.

I do hope that the young ladies are entertaining and having fun while they wash the cars.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:36 PM

Bethie,

I guess I also need to say that if these girls or guys are at a pool or public swimming pool I don't really have a problem with this, I mean for goodness sake, I use to wear a 2 peice myself not that long ago. I just think if it's say a church car wash or school wash to earn money maybe they should ask them to wear something with a little more coverage other than string bikini's. When we went to church functions if we chose to wear a 2 pc we had to wear a T-shirt over it, I hope that makes since and doesn't sound to hypocritcal. I just know if it was for school or church I wouldn't want them to be showing to much of themselves. I guess some of my dad rubbed off on me growing up. LOL

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:42 PM

WOW what a can of worms have been open up here? LOL I still agree with you Ms Chenny I would not want my daughter or granddaughter ogled or leered at. Being on the road I have seen enough or heard enough of this kind of thing to last me a life time. My daughter thank goodness seems to show the same feelings about her daughter (not sure about herself though).

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:49 PM

Babe--

My point is that there is not anything inherently "sexual" about washing a car in a swimsuit top and shorts.

Melange--

I hope he gets there soon. You can borrow my boots if you need to for the gardening. =)

Twiggy--

I can see where fathers are coming from. They've all been teenage boys once after all. Also..I'm not saying send them out in a thong and topless or anything...I'm just trying to say that I don't think swimsuits or bare skin are awful in and of themselves and in relation to washing cars. I also didn't advocate wearing one to the doc's office as Babe suggested. Also--if a school or church asks students to wear certain attire to their fundraisers..I see no problem with that. If they don't---then I don't think anyone is out of line by wearing their choice of swimsuit.

Mrs. Cheney--

I'm glad you can enjoy traditional outdoor activities that include bathing suits. As for having a daughter---I'd be at the fundraiser helping myself. I believe in being hands on. I can see where you shouldn't emphasize physical attributes as your only venue of success. I'm not an advocate of that...although I do not believe that women are "degrading" themselves by choosing occupations that capitalize on their beauty. If a man is ignorant enough to be willing to pay for something he could see for free...then a woman who is comfortable with herself is an intelligent capitalistic woman. I simply don't have a problem with bodies and the human form...and I don't believe that bodies are solely "sexual" objects.

It's not a matter of whether or not you "know what you are talking about." It's a difference of opinion between two people who are pretty much polar opposites from what I have seen. You "are set in your ways" by my view and you think I am "naive and inexperienced." Thus, we are not going to agree or change our minds.

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:55 PM

Ladies,

If you want to prove your point to say your husbands, have the College water polo team set up a carwash only wearing their 'team uniform'. Then make your husbands go with you to get the car washed and see if they are as willing to 'donate' to the cause.

Just a thought.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:56 PM

MeLange

Do what we did in the 'old days' in the deep South. Wet some sheets, put them over the doorways, turn a fan on the sheets. If this fails then get a pallet and find a shade tree. Drink plenty of sweet iced tea.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 2:58 PM

Twiggy

Yeah right over my dead body would I be caught in a swimming suit right now. Do I really want the neighborhood kids yelling "Hey Kool-Aid!!!" Nope I think not

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 3:01 PM

Period

OMG.... I laughed so hard of the pool comment. Tis true...tis true!

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 3:09 PM

Pups

LMAO how are you? I think this could really turn into a deep discussion. To bad we don't have our own private little room to plot things.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 3:11 PM

Nickey

don't worry it will go away soon,, the belly I mean. Not the baby.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 3:14 PM

Car Wash/Bathing Suits,

Good grief, go out to mow the yard and look what happens.

As the father of a beautiful young woman in her thirties and grandfather of a beautiful young teenager, I hate to break it to you, but they are going to get ogled no matter what they wear, where they are or what they are doing. I'm going to have to go with Bethie on this, but as always just my humble opinion.

In reference to another poster about age, I know what you mean, all kidding aside I am too old to feel anything but creepy looking at these girls. To me a "younger woman" is someone in her fifties. And since I have a beautiful wife of over forty years, don't much care to look at the rest.

Back out in the heat for a while.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 3:16 PM

Glad your A/C is working again Melange, it's terrible when we have to do without, especailly since we have become so used to having it.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 3:24 PM

Well I got a bit busy AT WORK!

SuperBethie,I agree with you completely.Most women

who would think its offensive for young women to wear

a nice looking bikini of any sort at a car wash probably get upset because they can't wear one and look

good doing it.I have seen many places around the world thanks to the Navy and other means and we U.S.citizens

are entirely too hung up on many things concerning the human body.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 3:24 PM

Bethie,

One more thing, my wife and I agree with you. We raised our children not to be ashamed of their bodies and not to view nudity as solely sexual in nature. They all turned out with good morals and respect for the opposite sex and all are happily married with their own children. Don't know if that made sense, but don't have time to go any further and bore a bunch of people and the yard awaits.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 3:25 PM

hey , i'm an ogler ..a person would have to

be dead not to look ....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 3:30 PM

I am not ashamed per say of my body but I do know by now how men work and operate and think (two brothers dad stepdad 1st and 2nd husband and lots of male friends) I was just raised that I left a little to the imagination so that way a guy doesn't know what the whole package looks like before they unwrap it so to speak. I guess you could call it modesty (doesn't count when drinking LOL j/k) I do know however that my daughter will dress in what I buy her until she buys her own clothes and even then I hope I taught her as well as my parents taught me.

Nickey

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 3:39 PM

Thanks again Twiggy - I'm glad we agree. I wish I could be more naive, but that ship has sailed - so much easier though - don't cha think? Do you feel too old to change your mind when presented a valid point? I don't - do it all the time. But, I also don't cave just because someone disagrees. To be honest,on this topic, I don't expect most men to get it. Looking back at it, I really don't expect young women to get it either. I think it has to do a bit with living and learning.

Mrs. Cheney

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 3:43 PM

One more thing and I'm done. I teach 11, 12 and 13 year olds (7th grade). What they know, think, and do are a lot more advanced than most people think. The problem is, their maturity and judgement does not match up. That's my perspective. BTW - my students don't think I'm a fuddy-dud and have a tendancey to hang-out in my room (that's why I know what's going on with this group). I'm sure some of you know more.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 3:53 PM

sometimes I feel way older than I am and at other times I feel as if I could act as these teens do now a days, (say If I were a little liquored up) LOL J/K Mrs Chenny I too am glad that I am not the only one who see things the way I do. so thank you in return.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 3:55 PM

One thing that kills me is the way some of these kids dress. They might only be 11 or 12 and dress like 16 yrs of age. It just kills me, they don't seem to realize just what kind of trouble they can get into.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 3:57 PM

That's kinda where I'm coming from. They don't know how to handle themselves. The girls (because they are young and naive)forget and bend over and reveal way too much in all directions (if you get my drift). The boys do notice and do react. A lack of awareness from the girls and too much awareness from the boys.

We have parents who just don't get the dress code. I'd rather we didn't need a dress code. But when parents get angry and say to the school "You just don't know style" and then send a child with boobs falling out - schools have to step in. I'm not making this up.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 4:10 PM

Chenny

Totally agree, their are alot of parents let their kids dress way to revealing for their age and yes the boys do notice, at least my boys did and still do. When I had my kids, and they grew older I finally understood what my parents were saying.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 4:18 PM

sorry Cheney spelled it wrong

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 4:18 PM

sure boys notice . what's that old saying ,

"just cause ur not going to eat doesn't mean

u can't read the menu."

am i wrong or do the girls dress so the boys

WILL notice ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 4:27 PM

Rick

I think your right they do, however I don't think some of the girls realize just what the consequenses really could be. If you know what I mean?

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 4:30 PM

Message for dealers

Shoot back. It is a war for your home and the only way to win a war is to throw more rounds downrange the the other guy.

Community involvement helps. Get together and use those nifty lil video cameras and record the dealers. Be careful! Be Mission Impossible, minus the theme music. Send in to Cape PD. Evidence is twice as nice. But if that doesn't work, refer to first suggestion.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 4:34 PM

Like another poster, I supervised sex offenders at one time, attended MOSOP (Missouri Sex Offender Program) meetings and spoke regularly with the facilitators and Officers who supervised Sex Offenders only. How attractive anyone is or how they dress has absolutely nothing to do with how likely someone is going to be victimized.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 4:40 PM

Well gotta run for a while see all you good people later.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 4:41 PM

fajar154,

Agreed, when I was younger I had a dealer living across from me. I took down all of the license plates of the visitors, times etc. for several days, how long they were in the house and gave it to the police; end of problem.

Later after I got my job, I had a police car "make the block" pretty regularly and made sure the people knew who was responsible. They left before a case could be made on them. Bottom line, DO SOMETHING.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 4:47 PM

I'm not opposed to place appropriate dress.

I simply said that I didn't think a swimsuit was place inappropriate at a car wash. or pool. or beach. or tanning bed....etc.

I wouldn't send an 11 year old to school in a halter top or anything. Jeez...

And the point of saying we never agree--we don't. It wouldn't matter if I made the most rational and well based argument on ANY topic, Mrs.Dick...You LIKE to disagree with me and wouldn't have it any other way.

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 5:05 PM

I spent most of my twenties in Southern California. Girls often wore see through blouses and sometimes see through dresses. I have never witnessed anyone being attacked because of the way they dressed out there. In Hermosa Beach, where I sometimes lived, it would not have been seen as unusual if a girl showed up in a church in a bikini. A bikini was an everyday uniform. I think that a girl should wear what ever she chooses and if it offends someone to heck with the dirty old farts.

Now that I'm older, it does feel good when some nice looking young lady asks me to dance when I'm at a bar. It makes an old man's day. Life is good.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 5:10 PM

School code

So you never have bought from or seen the Prostit'tot section in the mall? Young girls have been dressing like lil' Paris '*****' Hilton for years.

Mom, you really need to take off those blinders when you drive. There are far more offensive things out there than teenagers wearing bikinis.

Just makes me glad that I have a boy and all I have to worry about is NAMBLA. And to counter that association I refer to my previous post...throw more rounds down range.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 5:11 PM

sorry...Paris 'Wh*re' Hilton...

-- Posted by fajar154 on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 5:12 PM

It wouldn't matter if I made the most rational and well based argument on ANY topic, Mrs.Dick...You LIKE to disagree with me and wouldn't have it any other way.

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, 4:05 pm CDT

When I agree with you Bethie, I don't have reason to comment, but when I disagree I do. Sorry you see it differently, but it's as simple as that.

And thanks fajar - I think your last comment about Paris helped make my point.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 5:28 PM

I think that Cape should re-evaluate its social values if it just sees young girls as sexual objects.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 5:33 PM

To be honest,on this topic, I don't expect most men to get it. Looking back at it, I really don't expect young women to get it either. I think it has to do a bit with living and learning.

Mrs. Cheney

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, 2:43 pm CDT

Yep - just a prude...no other reason.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 5:44 PM

Wow poppa - what would Father David think? Why don't you ask him - better yet why don't I?

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 5:47 PM

j/k

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 5:48 PM

Wonder why people must judge others' behaviors or values based on their own.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 5:53 PM

I don't think it's an invitation either. Does Notre Dame have a dress code? I know a lot of Catholic schools do...I wonder why?

Mrs. Dick

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 5:57 PM

You are correct, it is Brother - my dad always says Father. Sorry.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 5:58 PM

It is rumored that Obama might name Evan Bayh of Ind. as his VP choice. Does anyone have an opinion on it? I admittedly have no knowledge of Senator Bayh.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 6:01 PM

poppa.

BTW, when I said that, I was talking about you asking Bethie to marry you...aren't you both already married? I was KIDDING. Jeeze!

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 6:02 PM

Oh sorry forgot to add, the reason I ask is because on a different bog someone stated that it would cause Mo to turn to a 'blue' state. Curious as to why someone would think that a Senator from Indiana would change the 'color' of the state of Missouri?

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 6:04 PM

I don't have a problem with a young woman in a swimming suit...I have a problem with the way she is looked upon. See fajar's Paris comment. Judgements are made about THEM based on what they are wearing and many times the young girls are unaware. OK - I'm done - like talking to a tree.

Mrs. Dick

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 6:09 PM

I don't think the discussion started out as being about skimpy swimsuits as it was about fund raising car washes and young girls strutting on public streets to advertize.

I'm not a prude but some of you men think it is okay for teenage girls to show their nubile bodies for your jollies. How very manly of you.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 6:12 PM

Catholic schools have dress codes for many reasons. These include appropriateness of attire. Decrease in distractions. One less issue for school personel to deal with. Decrease in socioeconomic stigmas. Decrease in schisms created by attire. Frankly the public schools should adopt a dress code. However too many people are concerned with "individuality" as opposed to education. You can express your individuality at the car wash.

-- Posted by SWBG on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 6:18 PM

Yep, sure do need to stifle individuality...

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 6:23 PM

sorry mel,

the public schools should wear uniforms.

-- Posted by SWBG on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 6:45 PM

Not sure a dress code works in keeping 'distraction' down.

Seems the 'catholic school girl' outfit is a favorite to many men. Maybe only slightly behind 'French Maid' and 'Nurse'?? Not really sure though.

* Though am thinking 'extreme gardening' might be moving up on the list. lol*

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 6:49 PM

If revealing clothes leads to all sorts of sex, wonder how in the heck all those women wearing Burkas in the Muslim countries are having kids... just doesn't make sense.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 6:54 PM

Twiggy,

Doing good thanks. Hope you are well also. FYI, 15th or 16th are good to go for whatever is decided.

Melange,

In and out tonight. Little on the busy side tonight. Glad I made ya smile though!!

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 7:47 PM

Dressing your child in attire that belongs to a 26 year old is a bad parenting choice. That wasn't what I was commenting on. My comment was based on PLACE appropriateness in relation to the car wash.

Poppa--LOL

Well..Mr. Super probably wouldn't like it if I married you too...unless you were willing to donate your paycheck. ;)

Hrm...could be a good time to get started on my harem...even though that's socially unacceptable too.

Mrs. Dick---

Perhaps we as parents and those of you who are educators should begin teaching that bodies are not solely sexual and working to change HOW girls are viewed...instead of forcing girls to fit the confines. Maybe that could create a happy medium?

SWBG--

You and I have argued school uniforms before. I still don't support them. :)

Pups--

Just wait.."extreme gardening" will be the new rage!! I just have to get Melange and G-Mom to take it up and start spreading the word...

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 8:06 PM

Me'Lange,

Yes I do. My degree is in the behavioral sciences; always enjoyed studying different cultures. I just find it amusing that people are so upset about women in bathing suits washing cars. I am also a little concerned that so many seem to think that all it is going to take to turn an otherwise nice man into a drolling molester is to see someone so attired. I also don't think how a woman dresses is indicative of anything other than their taste in clothing.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 8:12 PM

Who Me?,

Not begrudging the profit, but the profit is after they pay those billions in taxes. I still wish they would post percent rather then dollar amount. Most wouldn't be as upset.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 8:30 PM

Lil Mac

I do hope you know that I was teasing earlier about Nv

Pups,

will let you know something as soon as I can

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 9:01 PM

Everyone is worried about morals and s-x in relation to the bikini clad, but no one says anything about skin cancer. Teen-agers get melanoma just as easy as anyone and a couple of bad burns really increase the incidence.

-- Posted by goodgrief1 on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 10:19 PM

Hey guys, whats up? Its been 105-110o down here. Looks as if we might get a hurricane tomorrow.

Texas is going to "fry" a rapist/killer Tuesday night. I can't believe the differant org. trying to stop it. THe media calls the org. "world court".

Exxon's profits: well, they are in the oil business. I think people should be more upset with how much we are taxed from the state, and they don't have to drill,refine or ship the oil. Knowing this first hand, there are rigs going up everywhere here. We won't run out of oil for a long time, if only Pelosi,Read and Hussien Obama will admit that we need to drill.

Don't forget to INFLATE your tires. I did, our Chevy Z71 went from 18mpg to 18.5mpg. Whoopie Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 11:19 PM

Aaaah but Aggie, you improved your milage so you proved the Libs correct. hehe

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 11:30 PM

Oh and if we are getting so much oil out of the drills in Texas, why would we have to drill off shore?? Again, you're proving Obama correct. haha

All joking aside, hope you are being careful out that way!!

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 11:32 PM

Pups, you just won't give up will you? Please tell me your not going to vote for Hussien "change" Obama.

I hear the are giving him 40 days in office is all he will last before some ignorant fool commits the unthinkable. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Aug 4, 2008, at 11:40 PM


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